Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Former Premier of Newfoundland Brian Peckford on Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms

00:00:00.000 Today's a little bit different. We're going to have a long-form interview with the last surviving

00:00:05.200 premier who signed the Charter of Rights into law 40 years ago, Sir Premier Brian Peckford. He was

00:00:11.960 the premier of Newfoundland and Labrador. He now hangs his hat in Parksville, B.C. He's got a lot

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00:00:57.640 Tonight, a special visit with Brian Peckford, the last of the premiers who signed the Charter of

00:01:05.220 Rights when it was drafted 40 years ago. We'll talk about the pandemic, freedom, and the rule 0.97

00:01:11.600 of law. It's January 5th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

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00:01:35.960 Brian Peckford was just 36 years old when he became the premier of Newfoundland and Labrador

00:01:41.200 back in 1979 and was almost immediately thrust into the highest stakes interprovincial negotiation

00:01:49.080 since Confederation itself, namely the repatriation of our Constitution from the UK and the drafting

00:01:57.940 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms as part of the Constitution Act of 1982, as it later became

00:02:04.180 known. He is the last surviving premier from those negotiations. What did those men

00:02:11.020 40 years ago have in mind for our civil liberties? What would they think of our courts today and how

00:02:18.820 they've let the pandemic lockdowns run rampant? Does Premier Peckford have any advice?

00:02:25.240 Does he feel any hope? I spoke with him earlier today.

00:02:28.900 And joining us now via Skype from Parksville, British Columbia, is Premier Peckford. What a pleasure

00:02:39.820 to talk with you and to catch up. I look forward to a hearty discussion because you are, if I'm not

00:02:48.240 mistaken, the sole surviving premier who signed the Charter of Rights back in 1982. You were premier of

00:02:56.780 Newfoundland. And so your view on how the Charter has been applied in general, but also with regards to

00:03:03.640 the pandemic is very important. It's the authentic meaning of the political leaders of the time.

00:03:10.320 Tell me in a nutshell, how do you feel the Charter has been used or not used to defend civil liberties

00:03:17.540 in this pandemic? I think it's been abused unbelievably. I think it's the provisions of

00:03:26.180 the Charter, especially sections 2, 6, 7, and 15, which are the key ones as it relates to freedoms and

00:03:33.440 rights of individuals, have been violated all over the place by every single government in Canada.

00:03:39.880 And when I say every single government, I mean all the provinces, the federal government,

00:03:43.480 the territorial governments, and of course the municipal governments who are creatures of

00:03:48.420 the province. So there's innumerable violations through these pandemic measures by all of these

00:03:56.340 governments. And they're trying their darndest to get away with it through a very nefarious

00:04:04.820 and mismangling of Section 1 of the Charter. And this is where I have been arguing now for several

00:04:15.200 months, both on my blog and at public meetings that I've held on Vancouver Island. Many people on

00:04:22.160 Vancouver Island, the various communities, have asked me to come to speak to them to explain the

00:04:27.460 Charter and explain the Constitution to them. And I have done so. And this... I'm so glad I'm on

00:04:34.800 with you today to explain what it is that the governments are doing wrong as it relates to

00:04:42.640 the Constitution. And the first thing, Ezra, is that everybody forgets when we talk about the

00:04:49.160 Constitution, we're not talking about your normal legislation through a legislature or through the

00:04:55.000 federal parliament, okay? Constitutions are created, as you know, by being a lawyer to enhance and protect

00:05:03.480 the permanence of important values to that society, okay? In our case, unfortunately,

00:05:11.320 it took until 1981, really 1982, until we had a written Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Before

00:05:17.880 that, it was common British common law, customs and conventions that had built up over time. And

00:05:23.320 even the Bill of Rights in 1960, God bless John Diefenbaker, was only a federal act of parliament and

00:05:31.160 therefore only applied to federal jurisdiction. In other words, it didn't apply to the whole nation.

00:05:37.560 So it was limited. That's why the Charter was important in 1981-82, because we are now applying

00:05:45.000 rights and freedoms to every individual in Canada, from Bonavista to Tofino, from Iqaluit to Niagara.

00:05:51.560 Every individual was going to have rights and freedoms enshrined in writing in a sacred document

00:05:58.120 called the Constitution, where things of permanence lay. Now, this is where the provinces and the federal

00:06:05.560 government and a couple of courts already have gotten it all wrong because they're more or less

00:06:11.400 interpreting the Constitution as just another piece of legislation when it's not. And by the way,

00:06:16.840 the first two concepts in the Charter are whereas this nation is founded on the principles of one,

00:06:25.000 the supremacy of God, and two, the rule of law. And after that sentence, there is a grammatical

00:06:32.840 thing called a colon. It's not a period, right? It's not a semicolon, it's not a comma,

00:06:40.760 it's a colon, which means everything that comes after this, right, is interpreted in the context of

00:06:49.720 the supremacy of God and the rule of law. And the couple of decisions that have already come down

00:06:56.520 on lower courts, because none of the higher courts have ruled on the pandemic measures yet from a

00:07:01.800 constitutional point of view, these judges have completely ignored the context into which they're

00:07:09.800 supposed to render their decision, the supremacy of God and the rule of law. That's why I am so vociferous

00:07:17.320 today and have been for some time now and will continue to be, because I think it's up to the body

00:07:23.400 politic now and people like yourself and your program, which, you know, thousands of people

00:07:29.800 all over Canada watch every day. The best way now that we can change those lower court decisions

00:07:36.680 is to influence the higher court judges who haven't ruled yet and the Supreme Court of Canada.

00:07:43.160 I say in Canadian terms, the hockey game isn't over yet. We're in the second period.

00:07:48.200 We're in the second period. And so we still have a chance to change the outcome of the game.

00:07:53.640 Well, let me stop you there for a second, because we're almost two years into this. I mean,

00:07:58.920 most of these states of emergency were declared, if I recall, in March of 2020. We're in January 2022.

00:08:06.600 And I haven't seen any major matters being treated in the courts of appeal, let alone the Supreme

00:08:14.120 Court of Canada. Whereas in the United States, the Supreme Court of the United States has dealt with,

00:08:18.920 for example, lockdowns in California. There was one wonderful ruling where churches were told they

00:08:24.680 couldn't have singing, but Hollywood, you know, TV shows could. And the judges said, if you can sing

00:08:32.040 on TV, you can sing on a church. And there were some wonderful cases smacking down California,

00:08:37.480 smacking down Massachusetts. And the fact that they got to that higher level of judge,

00:08:43.000 I don't think there's been a major case about the pandemic and civil liberties that's even got

00:08:47.880 to the Court of Appeal, unless I missed one. Why is our system so slow?

00:08:54.920 Well, you raise a really, really good point. And unfortunately, that's the way it is in Canada

00:09:01.320 right now, that it has to go through these procedures to get to the appeal court. In other words,

00:09:07.320 it has to go to the trial division of the Supreme Court of a province before it goes to the appeal

00:09:12.680 court. Now, there's a couple outstanding. The decisions both out of BC and Manitoba,

00:09:18.280 I think, are going to be appealed to the appeal court of those provinces. So we're quickly getting

00:09:23.640 there. But the United States system is different than ours. Their culture of individual rights and

00:09:29.240 freedoms is far more embedded. Their Bill of Rights began in 1791. 1791. Ours began in 1981.

00:09:38.280 Yeah.

00:09:38.760 So the whole culture of jurisprudence in the United States, as well as the way the states of the United

00:09:47.320 States protect their rights is much different than it is in Canada, especially individual rights. I think

00:09:53.000 that's one of the reasons for it, because the courts are automatically seized with the importance of

00:09:58.600 this. They view this as very like they do in the right to bear arms. These are very fundamental rights

00:10:05.960 for America. You know, where Johnny come lately is when it comes to writing something in a constitution.

00:10:11.640 Ours whole tradition was based upon British common law and customs and conventions, as I said earlier.

00:10:18.040 So I think that's the difference. It's two different nations, two different evolutions 0.89

00:10:23.160 of both our societies and our jurisprudence.

00:10:27.480 You know, that's very, that's very interesting. Now, earlier in our conversation, you mentioned

00:10:32.440 particular sections of the constitution, two, six, seven, and 15. Now I went to law school and I

00:10:38.120 happen to know those sections, section two. Those are the fundamental freedoms, freedom of speech,

00:10:43.640 freedom of association, things like that. And, but for many of our viewers, they would know those

00:10:49.880 sections by what they actually say. Do you want to take us through? Because you said, yeah, I agree

00:10:55.720 with you. Americans love individual liberty. Like one of their early mottos was don't tread on me. And

00:11:01.560 it was a picture of a foot on a snake and the snake is saying don't tread on me.

00:11:06.440 Exactly. But I think that Canadians don't realize that our constitution has some pretty good stuff

00:11:13.640 in it. You mentioned the preamble, like section two, section six, seven, 15. There's some good

00:11:18.920 stuff there that should be helping us now. Absolutely. I'm so glad you put it that way.

00:11:24.680 And they've got to help us. We've got to, as citizens, ensure that what is written in this sacred

00:11:30.360 document gets honored by the courts. And like you said, section two says freedom of speech,

00:11:37.320 right? Freedom of expression, freedom of the press, freedom of conscience, freedom of religion.

00:11:45.400 That's in section two. And then the freedom to assemble and the freedom to associate.

00:11:50.840 They're being broken all over the place right now by the governments of this land. I mean, it is,

00:11:56.360 it is ridiculous. And by the way, we'll come to section one again in a minute, but let's just 0.74

00:12:00.760 do the other section first. Then we go on to section six. Section six is the mobility section.

00:12:07.720 Okay. Mobility. In other words, the right of a Canadian, every Canadian, no matter where they live,

00:12:14.120 what to move across Canada as they see fit to travel across Canada or to leave Canada. That's there

00:12:22.440 in that section six as well. And then what's so, so important today, not only the travel one,

00:12:28.920 but the right to pursue a living anywhere in Canada. And here we have governments laying people off

00:12:36.840 right, left and center, based upon a fictitious notion that somehow the country is in peril when

00:12:43.880 the country is not in peril at all. Then we go on to section, I love beautiful section, section seven,

00:12:50.280 right? The right to life, liberty, right? And the security of the person and the security of the

00:12:58.200 person comes directly to the jabs, right? It's the right of a person, right? A person has a right

00:13:03.880 over their own person, right? And the government has no right to coerce or force people to get one of

00:13:10.840 these injections. And it is violation of that section of the charter. And then if those three sections

00:13:18.360 weren't sufficient, how about section 15? Equality before the law. Every individual in Canada

00:13:26.520 is equal before the law. Now, right now here in Praxville, British Columbia, where I live right

00:13:31.560 now, I am not equal before the law. I am not allowed to go certain places in this city that other people

00:13:38.760 are allowed to go to because of my medical status. Okay. So that I'm, my, my rights are being violated

00:13:45.240 under section 15, as we speak. So these are precious rights that only became written in a

00:13:51.960 constitution 40 years ago. And they weren't put there lightly by me and the other first ministers

00:13:59.640 at the time. And it was our proposal, by the way, Newfoundland's proposal that broke the deadlock

00:14:06.200 on the night of the 4th of November, 1981, that led to the agreement the next day when all the first

00:14:12.680 ministers met. You know, I'm pretty familiar with this. And these proposals of mine are in my book

00:14:19.640 that I published in 2012 called Someday the Sun Will Shine and Have Not Will Be No More. All of the

00:14:26.200 proposals are, for the first time, were made public by me in 2012. So I know a little bit about what I'm

00:14:35.160 talking about here, because it was my proposal and the Newfoundland proposal that broke the deadlock that

00:14:41.400 led to the agreement that we have today. These things weren't done, you know, on the spur of the moment.

00:14:48.360 That was a 17-month negotiation, this whole thing. And we knew we were talking about the Constitution. We knew

00:14:56.920 we weren't talking about an act. That's why it's very important for me now, as the only first minister left,

00:15:02.760 to appear before some of these courts, which I think I will be able to do through affidavits that different law firms

00:15:08.600 are preparing for me right now, where I want to look the judge in the face, and it's quite likely

00:15:13.240 to be on a Zoom like it is today, or Skype. Whatever it is that makes no difference. I want to look

00:15:18.760 the judges of the Supreme Court or the appeal court of any of the provinces in the face and say,

00:15:25.880 Your Honor, with due respect, when Section 1 was written, whereby provinces or federal government could

00:15:33.400 override this charter. It was done in the context of the nation was in peril. The nation was subject to

00:15:41.320 insurrection. The nation was subject to war. That's why it's in the Constitution. Constitution means

00:15:47.560 permanence. It doesn't mean fickle acts of emergency declared by a province or the federal government over

00:15:55.880 a virus for which 99% of the population recover, and a fatality rate of less than 1%. That's not

00:16:04.120 insurrection. That's not war. That's not a state in peril. And so constitutions are written for permanence,

00:16:10.760 continuity, and sustainability. And using Section 1 to try to get around doing these things

00:16:17.960 is unconstitutional, in my view, and not what the founders meant.

00:16:22.040 Just one more minute of that for folks who are not lawyers. So we have all these enumerated rights,

00:16:27.240 freedom of a conscience, belief, religion, speech, assembly, association, mobility rights,

00:16:33.000 security of the person, equality rights. But then there's this wiggle room factor, Section 1, that says

00:16:40.600 that they can be infringed only if it's demonstrably justifiable in a manner of a free and democratic

00:16:50.280 society. So the government has to really, really prove it.

00:16:54.680 Well, what I'm saying is, it doesn't even apply, because the intent of it was in a state of peril,

00:17:02.760 and we're not in a state of peril. Then I go on to say in the stuff that I have written,

00:17:06.920 let's for argument's sake, as you're saying there now, it does apply. Let's say Section 1 does apply.

00:17:11.800 Ha, ha, ha, ha. Sorry, governments, you have four tests to meet, even if it does apply,

00:17:18.280 which I argue that it doesn't apply. And the four tests are, as you just said,

00:17:22.360 the first one is, you have to demonstrably justify. I remember when these phrases were

00:17:28.360 talked about, and we were talking about justify. And quite a few of the first ministers at the time

00:17:34.280 wanted to make it stronger. Demonstrably justify. So we put that additional adjective, descriptive

00:17:42.520 word in there. So demonstrably justify, number one. Number two, by law. And my view on that would be,

00:17:53.160 if it's so exceptional as the government so described, then it should be a new law.

00:17:58.280 Mm-hmm. Okay? Not existing law. Number three, it should be done within reasonable limits. Where's

00:18:05.800 the reasonable limits today when the governments are every second week or every second month

00:18:11.720 passing another edict? Okay? And by the way, demonstrably justify in terms of public policy,

00:18:17.880 as you would well know, and many Canadians would well know, means if you've got to demonstrably

00:18:22.440 justify a new public policy. It's usually a cost-benefit analysis or some similar kind of report to

00:18:29.640 demonstrate that what you're doing has more positives than negatives. And then the fourth

00:18:34.520 test was, all of these three tests have to be within the context of what? A free and democratic

00:18:40.920 society. Well, a free and democratic society, in my view, means that the parliaments, all 14 of them,

00:18:47.000 should be open and overseeing what is going on in the nation as a result of these pandemic measures.

00:18:53.320 How can you have a free and democratic society if the parliaments are only open long enough to give

00:18:58.840 them another edict or give them another something? There should be a parliamentary committee in every 0.91

00:19:03.480 province. Mm-hmm. There should be a parliamentary committee in every territory, which is overseeing

00:19:08.840 on behalf of the people what the government is saying they want to do.

00:19:12.280 So, both counts. Yeah. On both counts. Section one, in fact, in my view, as one of the founders of

00:19:20.040 it and one of the creators of it, it doesn't even apply. But if, for argument's sake, you wanted to

00:19:24.280 make it apply, then you have four tests to meet and they have not met any of the four.

00:19:28.840 Yeah. Oh, it's even worse than you say, because when you say parliaments are

00:19:34.360 reconvened just quickly enough to issue an edict, in most cases, those edicts are being issued by

00:19:39.960 by bureaucrats that no one's even heard of before, sometimes even contradicting what the elected

00:19:46.600 leaders say here in Ontario. If Doug Ford, the premier, even suggests liberalizing the lockdowns,

00:19:55.240 you'll have some chief health officer from some district. No one's heard of the guy before. He's

00:20:01.320 never been elected. He has no oversight or accountability democratically. And he just says,

00:20:06.280 no, I'm issuing in an order. So it's not even the parliament, the parliament isn't even touching

00:20:13.240 these things. Exactly. And that's the other problem we have, is that the parliaments,

00:20:17.960 through their premiers and ministers of health, have given additional powers under these acts

00:20:23.480 to the public health officers, which should never have been done. The public health officer doesn't

00:20:27.960 report to you and me. The public health officer reports to the minister and the premier. And it's the

00:20:33.640 minister and the premier who report to you and me through their parliament, which should be open

00:20:38.920 overseeing this so-called emergency. Okay? That's what should be happening. So that free and democratic

00:20:45.320 society provision test, number four, that's the other thing that hopefully I'll be able to argue

00:20:51.800 before the appeal courts or the Supreme Court of Canada, is that even if this section one did apply,

00:20:57.640 and I argue vehemently it doesn't. I remember well. I remember well. Because we were talking,

00:21:02.920 we were very cognizant of the time we were talking about a constitution, not a federal act,

00:21:07.960 not a provincial act. This was a sacred document. We were putting sacred rights into a sacred document

00:21:14.120 for permanency. That's why it wasn't like the Bill of Rights in 1960, because it was only a federal act.

00:21:20.200 It didn't have the same power. So we knew that at the time. This was not new to us. We knew that.

00:21:27.880 And so even, but then again, like you say, even if it did apply, section one, just for argument's sake,

00:21:33.960 none of the governments have met those four tests. So everything they're doing, therefore,

00:21:38.600 is completely and unadulteratedly unconstitutional.

00:21:42.840 Well, now let me ask you a question, because I would never ask you to try and speak for

00:21:49.480 other premiers who were deceased and who, many of which I'm sure you haven't talked to in decades.

00:21:55.720 But instead of that, perhaps you could just share with us some of the spirit of the times,

00:22:02.440 what some of the premiers or even the prime minister and the federal justice minister, because,

00:22:07.560 I mean, I have many quarrels with the late Pierre Elliott Trudeau, Justin Trudeau's dad.

00:22:13.640 But I think he occasionally showed a flash of civil liberties. I mean, he brought in the War Measures 0.99

00:22:20.120 Act and all. But I think this charter, he was trying to enshrine real civil liberties. And I don't

00:22:26.440 know if his son cares about that. Can you tell us not, I'm not asking you to speak for them in today's

00:22:33.000 question. Was there something back then that this premier said or that justice minister said

00:22:38.520 that if people today heard, they say, yikes, we've fallen far from the intent of the original

00:22:44.760 drafters of this legislation? Okay. Let's just get the historical context correct. Pierre Elliott Trudeau's

00:22:53.640 version of the charter and of the Constitution Act failed. We came together as first ministers

00:23:02.440 to see if we could patriate the Constitution, bring it home to Canada and no more have to go back to

00:23:07.080 London for amendments. We were a complete and utter sovereign nation. That's part of what's in

00:23:12.600 the Constitution Act 1982 and the charter. And so we sat down and started to negotiate in 1980.

00:23:20.680 But halfway through the prime minister, Justin Trudeau's father, and this is not promulgated very much

00:23:28.120 anymore. And every time I mentioned it in the speeches I give, the community halls that I go to

00:23:35.080 and give these speeches, there's a hush in the room. Nobody remembers. Nobody has been told that the prime

00:23:43.400 minister of Canada at the time left the table halfway through and said, I can't negotiate with you guys.

00:23:52.040 You're too difficult. And so he left the table. And a number of us, by the way, in the room at the

00:23:59.240 time, including Renny Levesque, by the way, had said, Trudeau won't stay at this table. Trudeau won't

00:24:04.040 stay at this table. I said he would. And a number of others said he would. We were wrong. I think

00:24:09.960 Sterling Lyon said that he wouldn't stay. I think Peter Lahey had some questions about it. Okay. So I want to

00:24:16.280 give you the sense here. So he left the table. We thought he would return to the table a few weeks

00:24:22.760 later, whatever. What did he do? He initiated an act through the House of Commons, unilaterally,

00:24:32.280 to patriate the Constitution and his version of the charter. He figured he could do it on his own.

00:24:40.520 We took him to court. Three court actions happened, one in Newfoundland, one in Manitoba,

00:24:45.640 and one in Quebec, challenging his constitutional authority to do what he did through the House

00:24:52.280 of Commons. At the same time, the conservatives were agitating that they didn't think the prime

00:24:59.160 minister could do this, as so were some of his MPs, quietly saying this. Anyway, to make a long story short,

00:25:05.800 on September the 28th, 1981, the Supreme Court of Canada ruled that what the prime minister of Canada

00:25:14.680 was doing was unconstitutional. He could not do it without the provinces. He needed so many of the

00:25:23.880 provinces in order to be able to do this. So his version of the charter, his version of patriation,

00:25:30.200 went up in smoke. And he was forced back to the table. And he came back to the table for those

00:25:36.840 last three days, November 3rd, 4th, and 5th. And it was a proposal from the provinces, from yours truly,

00:25:44.760 on behalf of the provinces, over the night of December the 4th, into the morning of November

00:25:51.320 the 5th, that led to what we have today. It wasn't Trudeau's proposal. Trudeau's proposal was defeated

00:25:58.920 by his own court, the Supreme Court of Canada. Everybody forgets that. And it's muted. When you

00:26:05.320 go to the encyclopedias and you go to the various books on the patriation of the time, this is muted.

00:26:12.840 As if, because so many people want to elevate Pierre Elliott Trudeau to be this great scholar and

00:26:18.280 this great genius as related to the constitution. Well, sorry, folks. It was Pierre Elliott Trudeau's

00:26:24.760 proposal that failed. And it was the provinces' proposal that won the day with the prime minister

00:26:31.640 on side because, of course, he just got defeated a few months ago before that in the Supreme Court

00:26:36.440 of Canada. So it's into that context. Now, as it relates to the premiers, let me say that the premiers

00:26:43.480 who were very strong in favor of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms were British Columbia, Bill

00:26:50.680 Bennett, and his constitutional advisor, Mel Smith, and his minister, Gurney Gurnham at the time,

00:26:58.280 Intergovernmental Affairs Minister. But the British Columbia, and especially through their minister and

00:27:03.640 their advisors, were very strongly in favor, if it could be done properly, that the charter should be

00:27:09.480 enshrined in the constitution. Okay? Peter Loughey, same way. With reservations, because we were

00:27:17.240 scared at the, well, we got really scared after the prime minister left and then lost in the Supreme

00:27:22.520 Court because now he wasn't trustworthy. That notwithstanding clause, for example, that everybody

00:27:27.800 tries to talk about now and shouldn't be in and there and all the rest of it, was put there primarily

00:27:31.960 because nobody trusted the prime minister of Canada. And what reason did they have to trust the

00:27:35.800 prime minister of Canada? He had left the table and tried to get his own version of what Canada

00:27:40.440 was going to look like through the Supreme Court on his own, completely defying all the conventions

00:27:46.680 and all the customs of Canada since the reform in 1867. Now, Saskatchewan, Alan Blakeney, no question,

00:27:54.280 he was also very supportive. Also though, with reservations in the sense that they not impinge upon

00:28:01.400 the provincial rights, for example, the natural resource provision, which was strengthened in that

00:28:08.760 same act, by the way. And in my case, yours truly, we put a document on the table a year before supporting

00:28:16.840 the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Okay? But we wanted it to be done in a balanced way, ensuring

00:28:23.000 that, for example, equalization became a part of the constitution, which we insisted upon and other

00:28:29.160 have not provinces, and it's in there as well. So the whole business of the Constitution Act 1982

00:28:35.880 was complex. Minority language rights was another key issue in that whole debate, right? And so,

00:28:44.040 and Angus McLean, who was then the prime premier of Prince Edward Island, was strongly supportive,

00:28:51.480 and a very wise old gentleman, elderly gentleman at the time. He was a veteran. He had been a veterans

00:28:57.720 affairs minister in Diefenbaker's government, as a matter of fact. Well, Angus McLean was a very

00:29:03.080 strong supporter of the Charter. The Sterling Lyon of Manitoba was concerned that what would happen,

00:29:14.680 and he predicted this, he predicted what's happening now would happen.

00:29:19.240 Really? Sterling Lyon of Manitoba. Sterling Lyon was one of the skeptics.

00:29:25.800 Hmm. He went along with it. What would he think today?

00:29:31.320 Well, I'm not going to ask you to put words in his mouth, but what did he say back then that would

00:29:35.960 make you think he would be upset today? He said the same thing that the prime minister just tried

00:29:42.680 to do and didn't succeed on, in the decades hence, they will find a way. They will always find a way to

00:29:54.680 usurp individual rights and freedoms. He was strongly in favor of individual rights and freedoms,

00:30:01.240 but he didn't see this as being a necessary final tool. He reluctantly came around

00:30:09.320 to it because we persuaded him about section one and about the notwithstanding clause and other

00:30:15.960 things. And he became a supporter of it as did his attorney general. But when you ask me now,

00:30:22.600 New Brunswick and Ontario, sadly speaking, stayed with the prime minister all the way through the

00:30:29.800 time when he was doing this unilaterally and lost in the courts. So we were called at the time the

00:30:35.240 gang of eight. When we really weren't the gang of eight, it was the group of eight,

00:30:39.240 the group of eight of us who opposed what the prime minister was doing because it flew in the face of

00:30:43.880 every constitutional convention since 1867. And that's what the Supreme Court of Canada said.

00:30:48.840 Okay. So, and we weren't the gang of eight either, because there is a myth out there,

00:30:54.040 which I tried to dispel in my book, which is still in a lot of the history books about the gang of eight

00:31:00.200 or the night of the long knives. There was no night of the long knives. That's a lie. That's a myth.

00:31:05.560 That's a lie. That's a myth. I'll say it over and over again. Quebec, we couldn't find Quebec that

00:31:11.000 night to go over that proposal with them on the 4th, November the 4th. They were in Hull having a late

00:31:17.000 dinner, but they did see the proposal the next morning before it became presented to all the first

00:31:23.720 ministers. So we weren't trying to go around anybody. Now, Quebec, of course, was always

00:31:30.840 attentive to its own cultural and linguistic issues. And let's put that aside for a minute.

00:31:36.280 But tell me what the Quebec view was about civil liberties, because I mean, again, Quebec and its

00:31:44.520 French history, I can see both sides. I can see a love for civil liberties that goes back centuries,

00:31:51.400 but I can also see sort of an authoritarian, you know, Napoleon, you know, there's a bit of a

00:31:56.520 Gaullist character there. What was Quebec's view about freedoms and the individual back in these

00:32:05.560 constitutional negotiations? Levesque was very strongly in favor.

00:32:10.840 Of freedom.

00:32:11.400 René Levesque, yeah, of freedoms. Absolutely no question about it. I knew René Levesque very well

00:32:18.360 on a personal basis, as well as in politics. And we fought about his vision of Canada versus

00:32:23.880 mine or others. And every premier of Canada, by the way, had a really good relationship already,

00:32:29.400 notwithstanding his view of where Quebec placed in Canada and all of that. But I think you're right.

00:32:37.960 You hit the nail right on the head when you said there is a ambivalence in the Quebec, in the French

00:32:44.040 character when it comes to, on the one hand, very strong in favor of civil liberties. On the other

00:32:48.600 hand, there is this more authority streak in them as it relates to kings and people like Napoleon and

00:32:57.560 the Gaul and so on. And so I think they've always been, you know, what shall I say, ambivalent 0.82

00:33:06.280 towards how to treat this. And we could see that through the talks that we had with the Quebec

00:33:12.200 people because the Quebec people were part of the group of eight when we opposed what Trudeau was

00:33:18.120 trying to do unilaterally. But both Claude Morin and Jacques Parizeau, who were big advisors of Levesque

00:33:26.440 at the time, I think especially Mr. Parizeau would be more on the authority side. Morin might be in the

00:33:33.480 middle and Levesque would have been more on the civil liberties side. I think that's where it came down.

00:33:38.520 But they were very powerful intellectuals in the government and the leadership and the decision

00:33:45.800 making of Quebec at the time. And Levesque did respect them and look up to them. So I always argued,

00:33:53.720 by the way, that if Morin and Parizeau had not been there in those last few days, we would have had

00:34:01.320 go back on board. Let me ask you about today. I mean, I've learned a lot about the history of the

00:34:09.160 negotiation behind the Charter of Rights and the Constitution in general. I didn't know many of

00:34:13.720 those details. But here we are today. And I feel like every institution in society that was meant to

00:34:21.240 be a check and a balance on runaway governments and even tyranny, if I can use the word, they've all

00:34:27.080 failed. The official opposition is not opposing, either federally or at any provincial level.

00:34:34.120 All the parties seem to agree. And the odd skeptic who pops up is immediately sacked.

00:34:39.480 Just the other day, a cabinet minister in Manitoba. The media in general, if anything, is hyping

00:34:47.480 it up. And if a politician goes soft, the media shames them. The colleges of physicians and surgeons

00:34:57.000 are smacking down any doctors who have a second opinion, which used to be a big part of being a

00:35:03.240 doctor. I'd like a second opinion. The chambers of commerce at most have asked for subsidies or bailouts.

00:35:12.680 I haven't seen a chamber of commerce or even an independent business group call for an end to

00:35:17.880 the lockdowns. Every single niche in society, they've all failed simultaneously. So, I mean,

00:35:25.240 the analogy I use is like a fishing net when all the knots on the net break at once. If you have one

00:35:31.080 or two knots break, you're still going to catch some fish. But when every single knot fails at the

00:35:35.720 same time, you've just got a bunch of string there.

00:35:39.960 A very good way of putting it. I'm putting up before you right now, you may remember this book.

00:35:44.840 It's not very old. It's by Donald Savoie.

00:35:48.680 Right.

00:35:49.240 Democracy in Canada, the disintegration of our institutions.

00:35:54.200 Donald Savoie is a scholar at the University of Moncton.

00:35:57.480 This is, in my view, perhaps the definitive book on explaining what you just asked.

00:36:04.280 Okay. It started around the Pierre Elliott Trudeau time when suddenly the Parliament of Canada

00:36:11.640 began to diminish in its importance. The parliamentary committees began to diminish

00:36:16.520 in its importance. It started to move away from the Parliament to the Cabinet and Cabinet ministers.

00:36:23.400 And if you remember, I think you're old enough to remember, there were strong regional ministers one

00:36:29.720 time. Alan McKechnen came from Cape Breton Island. Very strong, strong minister. There were strong

00:36:35.400 ministers from the West. Donald Mazinkowski comes to mind right away, right? There were some, Otto Lang,

00:36:41.000 I think, was from the West as well. There were strong regional ministers. But gradually over time,

00:36:48.360 the minister's power started to diminish. And the power moved from the Cabinet to the Privy Council

00:36:54.920 office and the Prime Minister's office. And today there's over 1,600 or 1,700 people just working

00:37:01.320 in the Privy Council office and the Prime Minister's office. Nothing happens now without some bureaucrat in

00:37:07.880 one of those offices having put their stamp on it with the Prime Minister being involved.

00:37:13.720 And so ministers now are not powerful ministers like they were before influencing public policy.

00:37:20.120 Parliamentary committees get shut down during the Judy Rabel affair, for example. SNC-Lavalin,

00:37:27.480 the Parliamentary Committee, got closed down, even though the former minister had more that she wanted

00:37:32.440 to release about what was going on at the time when the government tried to obstruct justice in our country.

00:37:40.040 And so we have seen an MP become a social worker, a glorified social worker, and that the Parliament

00:37:47.080 has by stealth, without a shot being fired. And this is what Donald Sebois is saying in his book.

00:37:53.480 So it's been a gradual erosion over time, but the pandemic sort of crystallized it all. It all came

00:38:01.560 together during the pandemic. It all came together during the pandemic and made possible what you just

00:38:08.200 talked about. Remember now, the government of Canada is so involved in health that there's over 40 billion

00:38:14.680 every year that goes to the provinces, right, under the Canada health transfer. There's another 15

00:38:20.840 billion that goes to the provinces under the social transfer. So the provinces are not as independent

00:38:26.520 anymore as they used to be, because they're so beholden to the federal government. And the federal

00:38:33.640 government itself has all these parliamentary secretaries. So how many ministers are there?

00:38:38.520 31, 32 ministers? That means there's 31 or 32 MPs that got extra jobs. Then you got the

00:38:45.560 parliamentary committees, all chair people from the Liberal Party, okay? How many of them are there?

00:38:50.760 So when the prime minister wakes up every morning, he's almost got everything sewed up before he has

00:38:55.800 his breakfast. He knows he has all of these people in his pocket. And nationally, he has most of the

00:39:01.720 the provinces in his pocket. Because besides getting these billions of dollars in health transfers and

00:39:07.000 social transfers, five provinces get equalization on top of the Canada health transfer, on top of the

00:39:14.040 Canada social transfer. So what has happened has, without a shot being fired de facto, the prime minister of

00:39:21.240 Canada is really the president of Canada, or a monarch of Canada. And all of these serfs that are now 1.00

00:39:30.120 cabinet ministers, and this is what Savoy is saying in his book, all of our institutions have failed.

00:39:35.240 And so we are de facto, without having the messy situation that the Americans get themselves into,

00:39:42.600 which helps to save their democracy, we have nothing to save ours. And the judiciary now, we're going to

00:39:48.520 have to fight hard to get them to rule properly on the charter. And we don't have the kind of, what shall I

00:39:56.280 say, activism, amongst our courts, or amongst, like you said, the chambers of commerce, or the

00:40:02.520 ordinary people, to stand up in civil disobedience and say, this has gone too far, that our parliamentary

00:40:09.400 democracy has been stolen from us by stealth, and we want it back.

00:40:13.960 Wow. You know what's interesting is, even though the entire establishment, every institution you can

00:40:22.200 think of, is in the tank for the lockdown, it's almost as if the more compliance there is, like

00:40:30.440 it's 80 percent, 90 percent, that the shrillness of Trudeau and the other messaging goes up. I mean,

00:40:37.320 just the other day, he said in French, that if you are not for a vaccine mandate, you are most likely 0.95

00:40:45.400 an extremist, a racist, and a misogynist. Here's a clip of that in French. 0.68

00:40:50.600 Yes, we are going to get out of this pandemic for the vaccination. And we know all those people who are

00:40:57.080 trying to hesitate a little bit. We're going to try to convince them. But there are also people who are

00:41:02.040 far away from the vaccination. Who are extremists. Who are not in science, who are often misogynists,

00:41:08.120 who are often racistes. It's a small group, but who takes place. And there, there, there is a choice in

00:41:16.600 as a leader, as a country. Do we tolerate these people? Or do we say, well, let's see, the most

00:41:23.320 people, almost 80 percent of the Québécois, have done what they need to do. They have been vaccinated.

00:41:27.800 We want to come back to what we like to do. It's not those people who are going to block us now.

00:41:33.320 That's shocking language, but it mirrors what he said in the last election campaign. Those people,

00:41:39.960 we see in other countries, Emmanuel Macron saying similar things about, I'm going to try and

00:41:45.880 irritate them. We've seen like a strange demonization that certainly not sunny ways,

00:41:51.720 Justin Trudeau of 2016. I'm worried that it's that as what they're trying isn't working and

00:42:00.600 they're going to try harder and harder, harder lockdowns, more bans, more punishments, crazy

00:42:06.280 public denunciations. I'm worried that he's going to try and flatten what remaining resistance there is.

00:42:11.560 And I'm speaking selfishly because I think that he's going to try and censor online critics like

00:42:17.800 us. I think he's going to try and punish those few voices like I think of Maxime Bernier in the

00:42:24.120 People Party of Canada. And you can like him or not. You can he can be your cup of tea or not. But at

00:42:28.600 least he's a difference of opinion. I see attempts to almost criminalize him. He actually was arrested

00:42:36.280 when he went to Manitoba for a political rally. I feel like we're actually teetering on some

00:42:42.920 authoritarian police state tactics. And I don't want to be too dramatic, but I really do see it.

00:42:50.360 I wouldn't have agreed with your statements a month ago or two months ago. I was still holding out.

00:42:58.120 But as each day goes by, by the way, I don't know if you read the articles by David Solway.

00:43:06.200 He's a very, very incisive Canadian poet out of Quebec, but has lived quite some time in the United

00:43:13.720 States. And I think he's traveled around Canada quite a bit. And I think his wife has been a

00:43:18.040 university teacher. So on Solway, he's also a poet as well as an essayist. He writes a lot in the PJ

00:43:23.480 media in the United States under that. And he's got a new one in there, an essay just 24 hours old.

00:43:29.960 I really recommend it to you because he's coming to the same conclusion is that you and I are coming

00:43:35.640 to. What I say in my speeches, and by the way, I'd like you to know, like right now, I've done

00:43:42.920 quite a few town hall meetings. And the one thing I've noticed that you would really appreciate is

00:43:50.680 that there is a sense, there is a sense among the body politic, among the ordinary class,

00:43:58.040 that something is wrong. And it's in their belly. I went to, I went to a church down in the suburb of

00:44:06.600 Victoria in December. And the people who asked me to come down, I was going down to another event

00:44:11.880 on the legislature steps. And they persuaded me to come down. They said, Brian, we want you to come

00:44:17.800 down. We want you to explain the constitution to us. And we think you can do that to us.

00:44:23.160 And so they rented this church. And they promised me 150 people would turn up. They had 150 people in

00:44:30.360 a new group, a liberty group. When I turned up on the steps of the church, quarter to seven for seven

00:44:37.480 o'clock, there were 400 people trying to get to the church. They had to open the top part of the church

00:44:45.080 and the bottom part of the church and bring in audio visual equipment. And I spoke in the middle

00:44:50.360 part of the church so that everybody could hear and see me as I was explaining it. I gave a speech

00:44:56.280 like I'm giving today kind of thing for about 40 minutes. The question and answers were over two hours.

00:45:05.640 And there was a sense of electricity in that room that I had never felt for a long, long time.

00:45:10.840 And it was one of extreme, deep concern for their nation. They see it falling apart. They see their

00:45:20.280 rights being eroded. So you are correct, Ezra, right from the ground, right from the ordinary people.

00:45:26.200 I've got a meeting coming up in the just south of Duncan in Kabul Hill on Saturday night, weather

00:45:32.680 permitting, where again, the people are asking me to come and speak to them and do the same thing as

00:45:38.280 that I did, you know, only 30 or 40 miles away in Victoria back in December, because they had heard

00:45:45.560 about that speech and some of their friends had attended it. So I point this out, and David Solway

00:45:51.400 in his latest essay talks about this. And one of the other things they talk about in my speeches is

00:45:56.840 democracy is a minority governance system on this planet. Always was, quite likely always will be.

00:46:05.640 It's an unbelievable, as Churchill talked about it. It's a very fragile concept, very hard to sustain.

00:46:14.520 And as civil involvement decreases, so does democracy. And that's what's happened in Canada.

00:46:21.560 Civil involvement has decreased. Citizens have left it up to their MPs and their MLAs to do everything,

00:46:30.280 and have ignored what was happening, that the MLAs and the MPs were having no more power, right? And

00:46:37.560 suddenly now, after 44 decades, it's happened, or five decades, it's happened. And so there's an unease in

00:46:44.520 the country at the local average citizen, and they don't know what to do about it.

00:46:50.120 You know, and when you're not allowed to gather, and when you don't gather in your traditional

00:46:56.280 gathering places, your churches, your parliaments, your town halls, your clubs, your gyms, your theaters,

00:47:03.320 your restaurants, your diners, well, then you have to meet electronically online. But then there's a

00:47:09.160 whole level of censorship there. You can't say things on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube,

00:47:14.680 if they change the narrative. So by forcing people to live online, they're forcing them to live in a

00:47:21.960 filtered world. And sometimes you don't even know that you're being filtered because a voice just

00:47:26.840 one day disappears. And it's not a happy future.

00:47:29.880 Yeah. Remember, remember, the Trusted News Initiative was signed back in December 2020.

00:47:36.440 Yeah.

00:47:36.840 CDC is part of that, you know, that $1.2 billion corporation that you always talk about,

00:47:43.000 and rightly so, and rightly so, and rightly so. They're part of it. And so are the other

00:47:49.720 major media outlets in Canada. And what does the Trusted News Initiative say? And this goes for all

00:47:54.920 the main news operations in the world. We're not going to carry anything negative about the vaccine

00:48:02.200 or the pandemic or the virus. We're not going to carry anything negative. So like you say, everything

00:48:07.560 is blocked off. It's only, you know, thank God for vehicles like yours, which my wife

00:48:12.840 and I support because we believe in the freedom of speech. And that's what you stand for.

00:48:18.200 Thank you. I mean, you made me think they're trusted. All right. Trusted by Justin Trudeau,

00:48:22.520 that they won't say the wrong thing.

00:48:24.920 Exactly.

00:48:25.400 You know, I feel like things are getting darker in some ways, but I do acknowledge what you say,

00:48:35.080 that ordinary folks are starting to say this isn't right, including people who said, all right,

00:48:40.920 I'll get the jab. If that's all you're asking for me, I'll get the jab and then we'll get back to

00:48:46.120 normal. Now they're saying, hey, you said it was back to normal, not an endless series of jabs.

00:48:51.880 You just took away all my rights. And hey, you said the vaccine meant I wouldn't get sick again,

00:48:56.760 but I did get. So a lot of people who I wouldn't call political, who I would say are quite agreeable

00:49:03.880 and went along with it, I think they're starting to have second thoughts. And I see some hope there,

00:49:10.540 but I also see more viciousness on the part of the enforcers. Can you give me some reason for

00:49:17.500 optimism? I mean, we've talked about the charter that you helped create, and so far the courts have

00:49:22.620 not weighed in. Are you hopeful that if this gets to the right Court of Appeal or even to the Supreme

00:49:26.700 Court that we'll see some relief? Because I'm not hopeful.

00:49:30.780 No, I know you're not. And I know others who are not. But like I said earlier at the beginning of this

00:49:36.380 of this interview, it's still the second period. And though I understand that the period and a half to go

00:49:44.300 is full of people who are not necessarily sympathetic to what the charter really actually says and means.

00:49:54.700 And I agree it's an uphill fight, but the fight is not over. And I think if people like you and me

00:50:02.940 and many others across the country can start saying the following. We Canadians want the appeal court

00:50:12.940 judges and the Supreme Court judges to rule on the pandemic measures in the context of the charter

00:50:21.740 as it was written and as the words mean in 1981 and 82. You must interpret it under the context of

00:50:30.620 the supremacy of God and the rule of law, because that's how the charter starts. Those words have

00:50:37.500 not been changed. Those freedoms have not been changed. Those words mean what they say. There's no

00:50:43.260 been change in those words and those definitions. We want you to save our constitution and thereby save our

00:50:51.260 country as a democracy appeal court judge and Supreme Court judge. And so I think we've got to get very

00:50:57.500 specific and very direct. Our last hope is our appeal court judges in the provinces and the Supreme Court

00:51:05.420 judges in Ottawa. That's our last hope. The clock is ticking. The second period is starting to wind

00:51:13.100 down and we only have one period less. But if we can mobilize enough individuals to say what I just said

00:51:21.580 and to start speaking out, writing letters, even to the judges themselves, writing letters to the

00:51:27.260 judiciary themselves and saying, you are not, you are not defending our constitution as written and you

00:51:33.580 have an obligation to interpret it as it was written in 1981 and put into law in 1982. These words have

00:51:43.900 not changed. Then I think we have an opportunity. If we don't, I've written this many, many times in the

00:51:49.740 last month. If we don't, then our democracy will fail. We will exist as a country, but it will not be a

00:51:56.220 democratic nation at all. It will be a country that we do not recognize. Wow. Well, that's as good a 0.93

00:52:03.420 point as any as to close our conversation for today. I learned a lot about the history of the

00:52:08.380 Charter of Rights. It's a pleasure to catch up with you and to hear your interpretation of those words

00:52:13.340 that you helped draft, that you helped write. You're the last remaining surviving premier from those

00:52:19.420 high stakes negotiations 40 years ago. Premier Brian Peckford, what a pleasure to spend some time with you. Thank you.

00:52:26.220 Hey, welcome back. Your viewer feedback. Stephen with an S says what a devastating blow it would be

00:52:44.460 to get her on board with Rebel News. It's exactly what we need. Max would throw CBC in the garbage

00:52:53.980 where it belongs now. Up to about 10 years ago, I liked CBC. You know, I think the CBC,

00:53:03.420 right from the very beginning, was uncompetitive, anti-competitive. I think of all the money that

00:53:09.340 crowds out organic competition, of how all the money sops up the talent. So I think it's almost

00:53:18.140 impossible to have a large counterweight to the CBC when it gets such subsidies.

00:53:25.820 It's sort of like when Air Canada was a crown corporation. How could you possibly

00:53:30.220 run an airline against it when Air Canada was out to lose so much money?

00:53:34.620 But it's not just the money and the competition of the CBC. As you can see, it's the ideological

00:53:39.980 training. When a woman who describes herself as the most left-wing producer in the room 1.00

00:53:45.740 says she's now on the right because they're just on purpose recruiting for wokeism,

00:53:51.580 I think that's the worst effect. It's not just that the CBC is probably responsible for half of

00:53:57.180 this country's debt up until the pandemic. I know you think that sounds crazy, but 75 years,

00:54:04.140 basically blowing a billion dollars or more in today's dollars. I'd say a quarter of our national

00:54:10.860 debts from the CBC. And it's funny because less than one percent of Canadians watch CBC news on any

00:54:17.420 given night. Gene Trusper says, makes me wonder if there is any sort of connection between the CBC,

00:54:26.220 which I grew up with, and black rocker Larry Fink. It seems that Larry, old boy, is the one largely

00:54:32.940 responsible for the spread of wokeness in the financial corporate realm.

00:54:40.540 No, I just don't think it has any connection to it. I think that that is natural, homegrown leftism.

00:54:48.300 Sure, they bend the knee to woke and to globalism and political correctness. And sure,

00:54:55.180 they sign on to all the usual climate change and all the ideas from the World Economic Forum.

00:55:00.380 But this is not engineered by some outside force. This has been how the CBC has been my entire life.

00:55:08.300 Bruce Atchison says,

00:55:09.500 It speaks volumes when a liberal quits the CBC. Thanks for reading her letter to us. We'd never have heard it otherwise.

00:55:18.300 Matt Brevner's song hits the nail for sure. No wonder the powers want it banned.

00:55:24.780 Yeah, I think you're right on that.

00:55:26.220 Yeah, I don't listen to the CBC a lot. I haven't tuned into their radio.

00:55:31.180 But something tells me they're not debating that email, even though most other media in the country

00:55:37.900 have at least given it notice. Some, like the National Post, reprinted the letter in full.

00:55:42.060 Well, that's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:55:47.740 to you at home, good night. And keep fighting for freedom. And let me leave you with a video of the day

00:55:53.580 by Sidney Fisard at church with Pastor Arthur Pawlowski, just hours before he was arrested on New Year's Day.

00:56:02.780 Good night, everybody.

00:56:03.420 Do what you want to do at City Hall. Do what you want to do at the Capitol. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

00:56:13.420 Amen!

00:56:14.180 You know, I believe that we have been defending ourselves for the past two years.

00:56:20.340 I believe it's time for the villains to start defending themselves.

00:56:23.900 So I'm not talking about violence. I'm talking about non-compliance, peaceful, resistance, civil rights type of movement,

00:56:30.800 where we finally come to a point together in unity, in solidarity, if you will.

00:56:36.620 And we will say to them, enough, it's enough. I mean, you're pushing. We're going to push even harder right now.

00:56:41.960 At the cross, at the cross of where I first fall, but when the word of my heart flowed away,

00:56:54.840 it was there, my faith, I received my son, and now I am happy all the day.

00:57:03.460 You see, the cave of Adullam is a story of misfits, those that were running away from corrupted authorities,

00:57:13.380 those that were in distress, in debt, and they came together to the stronghold called the cave of Adullam

00:57:21.540 to form the mighty men of David's, unbeatable army, that to this day, thousands of years later,

00:57:32.020 we learn about those heroes of faith that would stand in the middle of the field.

00:57:37.860 And one guy would kill almost a thousand warriors.

00:57:42.080 Another would stop the entire army in the middle of the field,

00:57:46.720 even though everybody else was running away.

00:57:49.680 Let's be those heroes.

00:57:51.740 The Bible calls them the mighty men of valor.

00:57:56.500 A man of a different spirit.

00:57:59.120 A man and a woman, of course. 0.79

00:58:01.040 When you see an evil approaching, when you are a true shepherd of God's people,

00:58:07.440 and you see hyenas and wolves approaching,

00:58:10.080 you cannot help it, but stand up and say, get out.

00:58:18.000 Get out and do not come back or else.

00:58:21.760 When I went to Pastor Arthur's service this past Saturday,

00:58:24.820 I did not realize, nor did any of us,

00:58:26.980 that later that day he would be arrested again, as we've seen in the past.

00:58:31.220 I wish I could say this was an isolated incident.

00:58:33.900 However, for the past two years, our great dominion has been under attack.

00:58:37.340 From coast to coast, pastors are now facing the wrath of politicians

00:58:41.560 who say they're trying to control a virus, fail in their pursuits,

00:58:45.400 and then blame everyday Canadians for that same failure.

00:58:48.560 Instead of attempting to represent the people they claim to serve,

00:58:51.780 they now assault those who continue living their lives

00:58:54.520 without the stamp of approval from bureaucrats claiming to advocate for public health.

00:58:59.120 This would be understandable if the state were going after pedophiles and murderers.

00:59:03.160 However, they have now turned their gaze to those who feed the homeless

00:59:06.120 or give refuge to the marginalized.

00:59:08.800 Pastor Arthur is no exception, who, along with Pastor Tobias,

00:59:12.120 was in attendance the day I went to the Church of Adulam.

00:59:15.300 Both had been arrested recently, and both have been given conditions,

00:59:18.720 which they're told to abide by.

00:59:20.800 Even still, it was not anticipated that later that same day,

00:59:24.340 Pastor Arthur would be in bondage courtesy of Calgary police yet again.

00:59:27.880 We will provide you an update soon on the arrest and the release of the two Pawlowskis soon. 0.99

00:59:33.680 That'll come in an interview shortly from Adam Sos with Arthur's lawyer, Sarah Miller,

00:59:38.100 who's had their back via SaveArter.com,

00:59:40.980 a donation portal dedicated to Arthur's legal fight,

00:59:43.640 which aids Sarah in fending off these vindictive authorities

00:59:46.780 who keep going after the Pawlowskis. 0.90

00:59:49.060 This defense is possible because of your donations,

00:59:51.660 which would qualify you for a charitable tax receipt.

00:59:54.000 Today, however, we're going to take a look at what Pastor Arthur was doing before his arrest,

00:59:57.900 just hours before when I was at the Church of Adulam.

01:00:00.980 As you'll hear, after service, he had intended on joining a peaceful vigil,

01:00:05.740 or what some have called a protest, outside the home of the Minister of Health.

01:00:09.280 But before we show you that, I want to show you the sort of church service

01:00:12.800 the province of Alberta has tried to obliterate,

01:00:15.620 as well as the message Pastor Arthur preaches,

01:00:18.100 which had already been suppressed through a ruling by a man named Adam Germain,

01:00:22.180 who's considered a judge here in Alberta.

01:00:24.760 He ruled that any time Arthur was critical of the lockdown measures,

01:00:28.160 vaccines, COVID, or the science of it all,

01:00:31.200 he would also have to give the government's stance on these same matters.

01:00:35.080 Thankfully, Sarah Miller was able to get that Chinese Communist Party-style 1.00

01:00:39.140 compelled speech order stayed while she appeals the rest of Pastor Arthur's conditions.

01:00:44.080 You can see that story, sign our petition,

01:00:46.300 and send the Judicial Council a message by going to firethejudge.com.

01:00:50.240 Now, without further delay, here's Arthur and the church service that he provides,

01:00:54.400 which Adam Germain and Premier Jason Kenney are trying to suppress.

01:00:58.280 And I'm glad to be able to share that message with you today.

01:01:00.560 I'm not surprised that people have no hope.

01:01:21.400 Like, where do I go from here?

01:01:24.180 The foundation is being pulled away from under their feet.

01:01:27.280 They're like, this is all I had in life.

01:01:31.340 My family is all I had in life, and I can't visit them anymore

01:01:35.440 because they took the shot, and they won't have me anymore.

01:01:38.540 They won't allow me to come for Christmas.

01:01:41.800 I'll share one story with you.

01:01:44.140 There was this young man who had not taken the shot, and his family had.

01:01:48.400 And his father called him up and said, you're not coming for the Christmas gathering.

01:01:56.460 This young man didn't know what to do.

01:02:01.880 And he went and killed himself.

01:02:03.760 And as the funeral director was dealing with the family, that father said,

01:02:11.540 if I could just go back in time, if I could just unsay those words, I would do it. 0.67

01:02:21.540 You see, we are hearing from the corrupted, totalitarian, you know, evil, wicked politicians of today

01:02:30.220 that we are in this together. 0.89

01:02:31.500 But the truth is, it's them and us.

01:02:33.920 They are enslaving and destroying, pillaging, murdering.

01:02:37.420 And then there is us.

01:02:38.840 So we have to come together.

01:02:40.040 We have to start uniting with each other.

01:02:42.840 We are in this together.

01:02:44.320 We are to be a blessing to each other.

01:02:46.440 We are to support each other.

01:02:47.900 We are to come together as a family.

01:02:51.520 And that's what happened today.

01:02:53.220 I was not always this way.

01:02:56.420 I was locked and bound.

01:02:58.520 I was lost, not found.

01:03:00.340 Could not be free.

01:03:02.700 Jesus didn't give up.

01:03:04.600 No, he didn't give up on me.

01:03:07.680 Do what you want to do at City Hall.

01:03:12.080 Do what you want to do at the Capitol.

01:03:14.520 As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.

01:03:16.640 Amen.

01:03:17.000 See how long you're going to last with your laws

01:03:20.120 before you have to bend for us.

01:03:22.880 You know, shame on the government. 0.88

01:03:24.800 Shame on the police.

01:03:25.920 Shame on the RCMP.

01:03:27.200 I mean, how long this is going to continue?

01:03:30.880 Don't they see?

01:03:31.960 Don't they have their own families and children to think about? 1.00

01:03:36.420 I mean, totalitarian regime will never stop.

01:03:39.080 It needs to be stopped.

01:03:40.080 And now they're being used as the weapons, as the tools for the tyrants.

01:03:45.400 And here's my message for them.

01:03:47.320 Please stop being used by the wicked, evil people.

01:03:51.180 Please stop harassing citizens that you swore to protect.

01:03:57.060 That's your job.

01:03:58.980 And if you cannot do your job, then resign and let somebody else take over.

01:04:04.120 So this is pure harassment, in my opinion.

01:04:08.300 They are doing the same thing to me, of course, and to others like us that, you know, we dare

01:04:14.040 to stand up and preach the truth.

01:04:16.000 And they don't like that. 0.83

01:04:17.040 Liars don't like the truth.

01:04:18.440 That's a taste of what the state wants to shut down. 0.93

01:04:21.080 And after that service, Pastor Artur and his brother David had been arrested and hauled

01:04:26.300 away by Calgary police.

01:04:28.160 Right before their arrest, a peaceful vigil, or what some have called a protest, was held

01:04:32.860 outside the home of the Minister of Health.

01:04:35.120 Artur and David were both in attendance, but not to trespass nor to harass, as Premier

01:04:40.000 Kenney would allude to.

01:04:41.280 Instead, let me share Pastor Artur's message that he shared earlier in the day that pertained

01:04:46.200 to that event.

01:04:46.880 Today at 4.30, there's going to be a special rally.

01:04:51.200 They're going to meet at a park on 42nd Street Northwest, up in the Market Mall area.

01:04:57.560 You know, I believe that we have been defending ourselves for the past two years.

01:05:03.720 I believe it's time for the villains to start defending themselves.

01:05:07.420 So I'm not talking about violence.

01:05:08.920 I'm talking about non-compliance, peaceful, resistance, civil rights type of movement, where

01:05:14.820 we finally come to a point together in unity, in solidarity, if you will, and we will say

01:05:20.720 to them, enough, it's enough.

01:05:22.100 I mean, you're pushing, we're going to push even harder right now.

01:05:25.320 After the vigil was over, the Polowskis were hauled away Gestapo-style, as you've probably 1.00

01:05:30.480 heard Artur say before, and made to spend the night in custody.

01:05:34.240 I'll show you a quick clip of their dramatic arrest, then listen to the message Tobias had

01:05:38.680 about the situation.

01:05:39.900 He was on his way back to Manitoba at the time, but I reached out and am thankful for

01:05:44.640 the video response he sent my way.

01:05:46.880 You know what his charges were?

01:05:48.540 You call that crime?

01:05:50.200 For opening church?

01:05:52.240 Wow.

01:05:52.760 Yes.

01:05:53.220 Yeah.

01:05:54.100 Wow.

01:05:56.160 You get orders from corrupted politicians, corrupted leaders, and this is what you do.

01:06:02.860 So it had been a long time since we had been together, so we were both excited and had

01:06:09.660 a good time together, knowing little that that very day he would be arrested yet again, and

01:06:17.520 I got that news as I was traveling home, and I was shocked.

01:06:23.320 I didn't want to believe it, and was sad to see my brother being arrested like that.

01:06:33.080 Yet, we want Pastor Art to know that he's not alone.

01:06:37.160 We were praying for him and had his back.

01:06:42.540 We know that when one suffers, we suffer with him.

01:06:45.920 We go through it all together.

01:06:47.940 When they attack one of us, they attack all of us.

01:06:51.840 We by ourselves are very weak, but together we are strong.

01:06:56.440 And I'm thankful that Pastor Art keeps standing.

01:07:00.580 We're here for each other, and thank you all and love you all for your support.

01:07:08.580 God bless you.

01:07:09.360 Let me say again quickly, to help Artur in his legal battle against the state, go to saveartur.com,

01:07:15.960 where through our partnership with the registered Canadian charity, the Democracy Fund, donations

01:07:20.620 will go straight to the legal fight he's now faced with.

01:07:23.660 And let me remind you, donations now qualify you for a charitable tax receipt.

01:07:27.340 Thanks for tuning in to the end and hearing out the message of those now being persecuted

01:07:31.420 by the state because they wouldn't bow down.

01:07:34.200 For Rebel News, I'm Sidney Fazzard.

01:07:35.680 We have been arrested again.

01:07:40.080 We spent 24 hours in jail, and we're facing three more charges, believe it or not.

01:07:46.680 So if you can, if you're willing, go to saveartur.com.

01:07:52.160 And if you can chip in, please do.

01:07:54.880 We have fantastic lawyers.

01:07:56.580 They saved us before, and I know they're going to do everything in their power to save us again.

01:08:02.300 Stay strong.

01:08:03.280 Don't give up.

01:08:04.220 And look at us.

01:08:05.700 Even though the government is persecuting and prosecuting us left and right,

01:08:10.200 we're still standing, and we are fighting for you as well.

01:08:13.720 We'll be right back.

01:08:43.720 We'll be right back.

01:08:44.400 We'll be right back.

01:08:45.180 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - January 06, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Former Premier of Newfoundland Brian Peckford on Canada’s Charter of Rights and Freedoms

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