EZRA LEVANT ｜ FREE AT LAST! Tommy Robinson sits down for exclusive interview
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Tommy Robinson has been released from prison after 7 months in solitary confinement. He talks about his experience in a maximum security prison, and how he was treated by the guards and the prison system, including his time in segregation.
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Ezra Levant here in Luton in the United Kingdom. I'm with Tommy Robinson.
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Earlier this morning, he got out of prison where he was in solitary confinement for seven months.
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You know, I said thank yous. I thanked Elon Musk. I want to make sure I get, there's so many people
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I need to personally thank. I want to thank the Petersons. I want to thank Tammy who traveled to
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this jail but wasn't allowed in at the same time that they were canceling all my visits. I've got so
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many personal thank yous to give out. I'll miss people and I'll forget people. Ezra Levant, I'm
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going to go see him now. Ezra has continuously had my back. I think everyone needs a friend like
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Ezra from Rebel Media. He's continually helped me. He's helped my family and been in contact.
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Do you know how they cut any contact with Ezra? I won't allow any contact with him in there because
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they probably knew that he was the one man that could have helped. And I believe I'd have been out
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of jail if I'd have had direct contact with Ezra Levant.
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Tommy, it's great to see you. You had a bit of a shave and a haircut. We grabbed a bite of
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breakfast. You said a quick hello to the kids. Thank you for sitting down with me. I'm so interested
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to talk to you about your terrible experience, but in a couple of ways, a wonderful experience too. I
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want to talk both sides of it. First of all, welcome.
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No, thanks. Ezra, thank you. Thank you as well.
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Seven months in a maximum security prison full of murderers and terrorists in segregation
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for a word crime. You published a video on Twitter. It wasn't even a crime at all.
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It's a civil offence. I still find it unbelievable. I find unbelievable the sentences because
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the guidelines, what I find unbelievable, criminals get 60% off and then they half it again and get
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HTC home detention curfew for tagging. And they say the reason for the Labour government
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brought in the policy that they get 60% off and they're emptying the prisons because the
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prisons are full. So I go to prison as a civil offender. You're right. As a civil offender,
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you should go to an open prison. I'm transferred to H&B Woodhill, maximum security. When they took
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me to the segregation unit, there's 16 cells here, 16 cells here. So they cleared that whole side.
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No, they gave them... So when you go that... Segregation in a prison is where you go for
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punishment. So if you stab someone and there's some amazing... I have had a seven-month education
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of interviewing officers. Every officer I saw, I'm a journalist, I just interviewed and asked
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questions and watched and listened to radios. And so I could get information on what's happening
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within the prison system. I spent time on the separation centre, which is the prison within
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the prison built for jihadists to see the facility, the accommodation. But the segregation
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facilities where you go... If you stab someone in jail... So you know, there was recently
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a stab at Woodhill Prison. The officer got stabbed in the head. You see it on the news?
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Right. It's only been in the news because of the Salman Abadie's brother attack. There's
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been some high profile terrorist attacks within the prison system against members of staff.
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And two weeks ago, or 10 days ago, there was an attack on the prison officer. So when that
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boy stabbed the prison officer in the head, he gets put in the segregation unit. That's what the
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segregation units for. Now, to get them out, because the staff told me, they were bribing
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the prisoners. So because they're down segregation, they were saying, just forget whatever you've
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done. You can go back to the wing. So where they've gone down there as punishment for violently
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attacking people or any problems they've done in the jail, they were just all let out. And
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they're not allowed TVs down there. Yeah? They're giving them all TVs. They're getting them to
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move over to the other side of segregation, giving them TVs. So I was on my own there.
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So this was to clear out a wing for you. They were letting these terrorists who were violent,
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someone stabbed a guard, but they needed a clear space for you. So they let them out of
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segregation. So I had 16 cells there. And then for the first five weeks, I just stayed
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there, 23 and a half hour lockup. I got taken out on the exercise yard on my own for 30 minutes.
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And this was why they were trying to work out what to do. And then because I was a civil offender,
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they had to allow me exercise. And they wouldn't allow me any,
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what's it called, any interaction with anyone else. But they said, for my own safety.
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So then there's a separation centre. So the prison, the British prisons built,
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in six prisons in the UK, I think it's six, they built prisons within prisons for the jihadists.
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So the worst, most feared jihadists, because they're converting and recruiting on the wings,
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the most, the worst ones go to this centre called a separation centre.
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So I was held in segregation, but every morning then, I'd get taken at half eight in the morning,
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I'd get walked over, 22 doors, so I counted, someone said, so it's 22 doors,
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you go for all the locked doors, but to get me from here, 16 cells here, 16 cells here,
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to get me from here, so that no one saw me, I'd go through the back office route,
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all the way around the back and taken out, then over to the maximum security.
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So although Woodhill is a B, Category B long-term prison, it has the most secure unit in the country.
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So the fierce, the most, the worst prisoners is where you come and have the visit.
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That unit there is for the top security. So to get a prisoner out of the cell on that unit,
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they have six fully dressed in riot gear officers, just to take them to the shower.
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So to walk them from here, they open the door, they take them from there,
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they get all padded up into full riot gear, and they take them to the shower,
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and then they walk back. But that's where that unit is.
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For anyone who's murdered people in prison, for any of the repeat violent murder offenders,
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they go to this unit. But the part, so there's different sections of this unit,
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but one section is the jihadist unit, for the jihadists. But it was closed.
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So in Woodhill it was closed. It's empty. So when they took me,
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at half eight in the morning, they'd put me on this unit, on my own.
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So I'd have 30 minutes outside, and then I'd have, there's a, it's not a gym,
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it's like a small makeshift gym. It's got a running machine and exercise bike.
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So for the first five months or so, that's four and a half months,
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that's where I was in the morning, from half eight till half eleven, on my own.
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So the prison, I'd get locked outside, I'd walk around for 30 minutes.
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Then I'd get locked in this little gym, I'd spend two hours in there.
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But I got to see the facilities on the separation centre.
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It's like a travel lodge. You know a travel lodge hotel?
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So prisons are not nice environments, the equipment, the beds.
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So segregation centre, because you're down there as a punishment,
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there's nothing in your cell. There's just the blue map, the bed.
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But even on normal wings, you sort of have sort of makeshift rooms.
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Let me pause you there. I want to learn more about what it was like in prison,
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because the fact that you were held in a prison built for terrorists and murderers
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But for some of our viewers who might not know the back story,
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You were sent in there not for committing a crime,
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not for harming anyone, not for terrorism or murder.
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You were sent in there for publishing a documentary film to Twitter.
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A judge said, don't do it. You did it. And so he threw you in prison.
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I know if I'd give them any opportunity, they'd throw me in prison.
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But what that documentary shown, to everyone who's watched it,
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is it showed the corruption of the judiciary, along with the government,
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working together in order to silence people through intimidation or through NDAs.
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What you see in the film is NDAs. Nondisclosure agreements.
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Nondisclosure agreements. They pay people just to keep them silent.
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So you never get the story out there because people are being paid not to tell the story.
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So this was the case of a Syrian teenager at a school.
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And I'm not looking to crack open the facts of it.
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I'm not allowed to crack open the facts. I'll go straight back to jail.
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So, I mean, and I'm not looking to violate any court orders here myself.
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I don't want to be thrown in jail or banned from the UK.
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And, you know, I won't press you because I don't want to get you in trouble.
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your evidence in this documentary does not reach the evidentiary level to have it admissible in court.
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The judge ruled that seven teachers that were covertly recorded were lying.
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In his summary, he says sometimes people just lie.
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So he found that five children committed perjury.
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And the only person that told the truth was the Syrian refugee in question.
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So, but by coming to that finding, what he'd done by giving the injunction,
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preventing anyone from seeing the film, was preventing anyone seeing the evidence.
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So then no one can see that it's impossible to come to the verdict he'd come to,
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I mean, in America, there's a phrase, the Streisand effect.
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She didn't want people taking photos of her home in Malibu.
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So all of a sudden, everybody took photos of her home in Malibu.
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You know, no one would have been interested had she not said, you can't do that.
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By the time you took it down a couple of weeks ago, it had what, 167 million views?
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And I'll be honest, when I made the decision to release the film, I was shitting myself.
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And I knew that by giving them that opportunity, it would give them the opportunity to hold me on segregation and solitary confinement.
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I knew that. I knew that it would give them the opportunity to mess with everything and play games with everything.
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But the British public need to know because they're getting screen fed stories and narratives and agendas by the government and by the state.
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It's like the grooming scandal, which is why I believe there's such a target on my back.
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They managed for decades to suppress it and silence it.
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The government knew it was happening for decades.
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So the last thing they want is citizen journalism.
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And I always say the mainstream media are the cancer and citizen journalism is the cure.
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To tell the other side of the story that the public aren't getting.
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So with this story, they spoon fed the entire population a narrative and a gender driven story about open border immigration and hiding the realities and the problems that come with that.
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So then I created my documentary which gave people...
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Make your own mind up, which is how it should be.
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And the reason why I thought they deserved to see.
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Or you're exposing things, they come at you from everywhere.
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You fought lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit.
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And the supporters helped you fight those lawsuits.
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And I remember when I first started my activism, it hit on me.
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But I watched Gert Wilders in Holland, who was very unspoken at the time.
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It wasn't big, but he was talking about the Islamisation of Holland.
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And he faced prosecution after prosecution after prosecution.
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Morten Messenschmitt, who's the leader of the Danish People's Party in Denmark,
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who was against the EU a bit and speaking about Islam.
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And this is the same playbook across the entire globe.
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Donald Trump would spend the rest of his life in prison if he didn't win that election.
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So they're fully aware of the weaponisation and the politicisation of the judiciary.
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But most people in the British public believe there's a justice system.
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What I wanted to do with this film is show them there's not.
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And at the same time, it got removed off of all the other social medias.
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Oh, so Facebook took it down and YouTube took it down.
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So what I knew was they're going to delete the film from everywhere, then put me in jail.
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So then if there was no X, if there was no X, then 167 million people wouldn't have seen the truth.
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All you would have seen is the mainstream media headlines.
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Now, if you go on Google now and Google Tommy Robinson contempt of court, they tell you that I lied.
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So if you go on my Wikipedia page, and you ignore the documentary and the film you've watched, you'll see case after case after case of just their lies, of their agenda, of telling you who I am, the bad person I am, the extremist I am.
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I've been defamed and slandered by a globalist media who have attacked me.
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I believe we in Britain live in a totalitarian state.
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And if you get in their way, or you challenge them, they use any of their armory to destroy you.
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Whilst I knew, I was panicked, because I knew the long term effect of solitary confinement.
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I remember the problems I had when I was released.
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A consulting psychologist examined you in prison and wrote a lengthy report that was shown to the court that suggested being in solitary confinement for seven months was having a grave impact on your mental health.
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And did any prison nurses or doctors meet with you?
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I've never heard of anyone other than Julian Assange spend seven months in solitary confinement.
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Typically, as you mentioned, it's a short term punishment for someone who engages in misconduct.
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But certainly, no other journalist has ever been sentenced to contempt of court in this matter.
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No other journalist has been prosecuted in nearly a century.
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You mentioned some of the guards, but were there nurses or doctors in prison who saw you?
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So in the first week, I sat down, and I've got all the paperwork for this as well.
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So remember, I always bring the receipts as well.
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I like to bring the receipts on lots of issues.
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But I sat down with a psychologist, and this is the first week.
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I'm in solitary confinement on my own, 23 and a half hours a day.
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And I said to her, like, I understand, but you're the expert here, not me.
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She said, this is going to be devastating to you.
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And in the writing, because she wrote it all down, I said, I would rather physically fight every day.
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So I want to clarify this because I've been told this several times by journalists,
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well-meaning journalists who I think are misinformed.
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They claim that you requested to be put in solitary.
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We actually thought you just refused to try and get me out of solitary.
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So it was really a tactic by the prison governor because she doesn't, she didn't control the prison.
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Even though they brought me to, they brought me from Belmarsh to Woodhill.
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When they brought me to Woodhill, which is a maximum security facility.
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50% of the prisoners are in there, are in there for murder.
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Anyone who would kill you would become an instant celebrity and hero.
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They chopped his head off and they used bedsheets.
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They had him out in the yard and they used bedsheets.
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But why take me for a civil offence to maximum security facility where 100% they took me
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So then they have the reason to put me on solitary confinement.
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But when I got there, I said, I don't want to be in solitary confinement.
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And I said, I would rather, the reason being, I would rather physically fight every day
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than have you be able to mentally destroy me from the, and they're silent effects.
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But I wanted to come back several times to see if you were declining.
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In one case, they accepted my request for a visit, but then they later canceled it.
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And I responded with all sorts of, I said, I'll sign a non-disclosure agreement.
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I'll, you know, I'll commit to a binding undertaking.
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Like, I just want to get in and see how you're doing.
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And I think they were playing games saying yes, then no.
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And they blocked them last minute, the day before.
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And they let people fly here from America and then they blocked them.
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So, so this was all happening at the same time.
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That's about eight weeks in, because it was towards Christmas or over Christmas.
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Like, why did they suddenly become whimsical and capricious?
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So, well, I believe Dan, it was after Dan Wooten's visit.
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And on that visit, I explained to him, when I was taken to Belmarsh Prison for the first
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week, I was held in the contingency suite, which is a solitary confinement block of three
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But the exercise yard for that is a little courtyard.
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And healthcare, which is the medical hospital wing, is above.
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Now, when I was taken there, I used to walk out and all the nurses would come to the window
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When I visited you, the prison guards seemed friendly.
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The prison, I believe that there's not enough recognition for the job they do.
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I don't think people quite understand how bad it is.
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And if the attacks, the violent attacks, they're getting shit thrown in their faces,
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You know when that officer got stabbed in the head, there was three attacks that day.
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Just that day, two prisoners are dead in the last four months in Woodhill.
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In one seven-day period, just remember, I'm not with the officers much.
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I'm getting trapped when I get walked across places, listening to their radios.
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Another officer was attacked with boiling water.
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That was in a seven-day period, just in Woodhill.
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That's just me listening, not on the radios, when I'm walking from A to B.
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So my phone, and I've got, again, I bring the receipts.
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When I was on the jihadist wing, I took the paper.
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So they've got paper with all their phone times of when their phones are on.
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Their phones go on at six in the morning and they're on until 11 p.m. at night.
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Well, when, but then they didn't let me have a six in the evening one where they put it
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But when you're spending that 21 hours sat on a blue mat, waiting.
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And I don't believe that, you know, they had so many petty little manipulations like
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There's no way that wasn't part of a psychological campaign against you.
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So Nicola Marfleet resigned the day after my court case.
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She was appointed to that position clearly for agenda quarter.
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And all of the people that had been canceled, the visitors, Dominik Sureski, Polish MP,
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You'd have been allowed to come once she was gone.
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As I said, I knew, I knew when I was playing the film, I knew I'm putting myself in that position.
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So I shouldn't be moaning about too much because I knew exactly what I was doing.
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But I also had this hope that the film would reach the masses because the film is far bigger
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The film is what's happening to whistleblowers everywhere.
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As I said, the weaponization of the courts and lawfare being used as a weapon to suppress
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and silence people, which is what I've experienced the whole of my time.
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And off the back of that film, as soon as I went to jail, it had become very apparent,
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quick from the mail lovers receiving, that it's had the adverse effect for what they hoped.
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You know, I remember when you were going to court for your sentencing and you pled guilty.
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We crowdfunded and we're ready to fight the case.
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It hurt me the whole time I was sitting in there.
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So I land back into the UK and I know I've got a warrant out from the High Court.
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So I say to my solicitor the next day, you need to ring them.
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I want to hand myself in because I can see what they're going to do here.
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So she contacts the High Court and says, is there a warrant out?
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I go to answer bail for something else on the Friday at one o'clock.
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At 11am in the morning, the judge activated the warrant.
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So after saying there's not one, he activates it at 11am.
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So I was arrested to make sure I missed the demonstration on Saturday.
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Now that is the judge making a political decision.
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Because if there's a, if there's, if I've got a warrant, I should be arrested.
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I pled guilty to the film going out in America.
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I have video evidence for when the American journalist knocked on my mum and dad's door.
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Because they, they videoed it like they videoed everything.
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When they knocked on my mum and dad door that they had come into possession of the film.
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Also, the fact that the judge, Justice Nicklin, he didn't have me in court because he said
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Now, email of an injunction doesn't constitute service.
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Because they're supposed to use a service presider and have a stamp to say I've been.
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But when I got down to the, when they, when the KC come to see me, I was in Felixstowe
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If I did win, the world would not have seen that film.
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So I said, okay, I'll plead guilty to every single bit of it.
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I flew to it without sounding cocky, without sounding stupid either.
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I think on the day you were sentenced, if memory serves, that film had been seen 55 million times.
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Yeah, by the time, but before, when they first come for court.
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So they come for me for someone else releasing it in America.
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I remember saying to you, and maybe this shows that I'm a bit of a coward by comparison.
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I remember saying to you, I don't know if you remember me saying it.
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And I'm not, I'm not, but I'm actually here to say, I think maybe I was wrong.
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Because if, I mean, I don't think I would voluntarily submit to seven months in solitary.
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I don't think, I don't know if I have the physical and mental stamina for that.
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But what that did, like you say, more than 100 million new people saw it.
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But your story of, I'm going to use the word martyrdom.
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Everyone knew you were sacrificing yourself for a principle, not for a financial gain,
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It's extremely rare for someone to offer their body as a sacrifice.
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If I may, it's almost Christ-like to say, I'm going to suffer for a principle.
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And the entire cause of freedom of speech in the United Kingdom is accelerated.
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You spending seven months in a form of torture, solitary confinement is a form of torture.
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I believe accelerated the vector of free speech and looking into these grooming gangs.
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You know, when I sat in there, it was the first week of January.
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And then, Elon Musk shared the rape of Britain.
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That's what, and I knew we, I know in this country, there's no free speech.
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But we pretend to the country we're this bastion of free speech.
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30 arrests a day for social media non-crime hate incidents.
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I don't know if you saw that when you were in Britain.
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The Times of London reports 30 people a day are arrested for social media.
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The point is, there is a war being waged in this country on free speech.
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And many of the public are not even aware the war is going on.
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And I remember my son came on a visit and I said, son, because it's a difficult, you know,
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when I make a decision, my whole family have to pay.
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So I remember sitting the kids down saying, I want to do this.
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Remember, we're only gagged and we're only silenced if we let them gag us and let them silence us.
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And when they gave me that injunction, I didn't release the film for three years,
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And it got to, and it ate me up for that amount of time.
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So then I sat the kids down and sat the family down and said, I've got to release the film.
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I've got to release the film and it's going to eat me up forever if I don't.
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So I can come out now and it's probably going to take me a little while to readjust anyway.
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I may have been incarcerated in a cell, but I felt free.
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When it was all kicking off with Keir Starmer in that first week of January,
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I was sitting there thinking, I bet I feel a lot freer than Keir Starmer, doesn't it?
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When the world was hammering the Labour Party and as they should and free speech in Britain.
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And so I know, I know there's no free speech and I know the tactics have been used.
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And right now, successfully, the world are fully aware that this is, we live in a post-free speech era in modern Europe.
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There are other forces at work in the UK in addition to you.
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But I think that you are a part of the reason why there are now more scrutiny of the rape gangs than ever.
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Why there's more discussion of stopping the migrant boats than ever.
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Why freedom of speech is being raised, not just by ordinary Brits, but even the Trump administration is raising it with Keir Starmer for the second time.
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I think that in the backdrop, your imprisonment and the blatant prosecution of you for political trials.
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I really think that was an accelerant to these trends of Brits waking up.
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And frankly, the world, I mean, Elon Musk is not a Brit, but he told the world about that.
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You know, like, because I could have gone to prison and not watched the film.
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I could have done all this and not watched the film.
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So at that moment in January, first week in January, I thought, fuck, yes.
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Like the whole world's talking about the torture and rape of British children, which has happened in every single town and city across our country.
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And since the moment I started, I faced relentless attack and persecution from the state to imprison, lock up, defame, slander, destroy, to make me toxic, to make me toxic, to essentially destroy me.
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And I mean, we're talking a lot about Elon Musk, but were it not for X or Twitter, as it used to be called, you would not have a chance to rebut, to rejoin, to-
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Elon Musk comes back and he believes in free speech.
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Our opposition, who hate us, they're all still on there.
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But previous to that, everyone who challenged the globalist narrative or the globalist agenda, everyone, whether that be vaccines, whether it be transgenderism, whether it be any of these issues, they were blacklisted and they were deleted and they were cancelled.
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They were demonetized and they were got rid of.
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There's something about a powerful, wealthy industrialist, the most famous man, our Thomas Edison, bringing you back to life politically that defeats the alienation and the marginalization.
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Like there's a social pain that comes with being pushed into silence.
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But when the biggest guy around says, no, he's okay.
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It's sort of a signal to the other mean girls that they can't bully.
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I was sitting there thinking, geez, they're coming to him.
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I was sitting there thinking about them in the United States and the stance he's taken.
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And Donald Trump stood first of the presidency.
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And he steps into this arena and becomes, at the time, one of the most hated men in the world.
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Would you benefit from stepping into this debate?
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So his belief in free speech, the only place in the world that has free speech is the United
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Everywhere else is an embarrassment to free speech.
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I really thank him for his belief in free speech.
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I think in history, he'll be remembered not for sending things up to space or Mars.
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Because if we lose free speech, we lose everything.
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But there's a little chance of fighting back against it.
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I have a massive thank you to give to Jordan Peterson.
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And not for one minute do I think every person you sit down with agrees with you on everything.
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I'm sure if Jordan sat down, there'd be things he'd disagree with me on.
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But for him to sit, and at that moment, when I come to Canada, to hear my story.
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Do you know how many emails I received in prison?
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And how many letters I received from people who didn't like me, but listened to my story on Jordan Peterson.
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Because what Jordan Peterson has done, as such an intellect, is he brings a different demographic that we're usually ignoring you or believe in the media.
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Different circuit, different class, different country.
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And do you know how many of them watched my interview and then say, I then found Panadrama.
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It's a gateway interview, as was Silence, the documentary, into our other content and work.
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That's why they want to censor because, you know-
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If the algorithm isn't suppressed, like I remember before they silenced you the first time, you had more online engagement than the prime minister, the leader of the opposition.
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They deleted me off Facebook over my Panadrama documentary.
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But I think that they had such a monopoly, but they still think they've got that monopoly.
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Because I watched the news articles when I went to prison.
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And I'm thinking, you're digging your own grave.
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And I wish they would have been outside prison today.
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So I know they're taking pictures, but I'd like to ask a journalist, a British journalist.
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Why have none of you spoke about the content of the film?
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So it's the most watched documentary in history.
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Because he was one of the liars and frauds that started it.
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He destroyed a young child's life based on wanting to jump on the bandwagon of being woke.
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And jump on the bandwagon of racist English boy, which wasn't the story.
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I think Piers, I heard from someone, had accepted that Bailey was innocent in the film.
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I'd respect anyone who accepts they were wrong.
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But we're talking about a 15-year-old child Bailey was.
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Do you know how Bailey come visit me last week?
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She was studying law when she come and testified at court.
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Obviously, the judge found that everyone lied, including her.
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I don't know why a grade A student studying law would make something up before my involvement.
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Because she'd watched a podcast from me where I said,
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I probably shouldn't allow them to give evidence because I know what the system's like.
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And I believe that girl dropped out of her law course.
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Because when I first knocked on her door and she told me the truth,
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that I said I wasn't going to back down and I was going to fight it.
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And now she felt guilty that I'm sat in prison.
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She listened to a podcast where I said I shouldn't have let her testify.
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And if I could go back again, I'd do exactly the same against Stephen.
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Well, I hope that you have an opportunity to have a good argument with Piers Morgan.
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Because I know that he has said some things about you that I would call untrue and unfair.
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But I think of all the British journalists in mainstream, I think he does abide a rollicking debate.
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And it's my hope that you appear on his show and just have at it.
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So I'm not sitting there debating anything other than the truth.
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I remember when you were on Good Morning Britain.
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I wanted to ask you, are there any people in mainstream media who are fair?
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I'm not even going to say sympathetic, but they're fair.
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Because sometimes it's not just the reporter, it's their editor or publisher who says,
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we're not siding with the far-right, alt-right Tommy Robinson.
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I don't think that those mainstream reporters matter anymore.
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It's like the mainstream media are walking around.
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If I could give the analogy that they're like someone with a terminal illness walking around.
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And it must hurt them that they're the old God and we're the new God.
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They don't get 167 million views on their reports.
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They don't get however many views we're going to get on this, Ezra.
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I want to ask you a question that is the scariest question of all for me.
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The fountain of our law even in Canada is the United Kingdom.
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But I am reluctantly and against my wishes coming to the view that you cannot get a fair trial in this country.
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That between the police, the prosecutors, the courts, that it's what Stalin's secret policeman Lavrenti Beria once said.
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As in they're going to find something about you.
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The day after a judge said you could leave prison.
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They filed two bogus charges against you for taking pictures of paparazzi.
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There's another charge against you for not giving your password on your cell phone to police without a warrant.
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I think that you have become an enemy of the state.
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And I hate to say this because I love the United Kingdom and I love the law.
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But I do not feel that Tommy Robinson can get justice in this legal political establishment.
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But what I also know at the same time, which is that the more they try and suppress an attack, now people can see it.
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It's damaging them and at the same time helping to awaken people.
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So the High Court that ruled against me on this case is the same High Court that ruled against Johnny Depp.
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He was found guilty in our court, in the High Court in London.
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And what come out when he got cleared in America was that there's the same evidence in the UK court.
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And they ruled against all the evidence because the UK court was ruling on the time, at the time, the Me Too movement.
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He got ruled against by a judge, ruled against police officers evidence, ruled against all the evidence.
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Johnny Depp, if he didn't go to an American court, would still be hated as an abuser of his wife.
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So in these courts, it's pretty certain now people can see there is no justice system.
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There's a legal system, and it puts a target on people it doesn't like.
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And I've never seen lawyers charge more than in the UK.
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I feel sick thinking about what they took, even from when I went guilty, because I'd already paid them for the trial when it was two days.
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But I feel sick at the cost of all of it, when I think about all of it.
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The crowdfunding, I'm grateful for the help in America.
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Because as long as you're still in the fight, and I looked at it, you only lose when you stop fighting.
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Not everyone would endure seven months in prison though.
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I viewed it at the time as like, I'm in a position now.
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I've ended up in this position, where through me, it's exposing so much.
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And if they want to attack me and continue to expose it.
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And then when I got into prison, I thought, right, I'm now in the maximum security facility.
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I'm getting to see the facilities the jihadists have.
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I interviewed all day and I thought, I'll make the most of this.
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Remember, I didn't have the same members of staff.
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So I literally probably saw every member of staff because they were all on overtime.
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So to walk me from A to B, I'd have two different staff every time.
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I'd have two different staff every time I opened the door.
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I walked to meet you that one time I was let in.
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So they didn't take me over to the exercise yard.
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And when I got to the contingency suite in Belmarsh, which is a maximum security unit,
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And this time on this sentence, I went out on the courtyard garden.
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There was paper mache and it was covered the whole place.
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And I looked and thought, how has anyone done that?
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And I said to the officer, what's happened here?
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He goes, most expensive prisoner there's ever been.
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And this officer was like, I said, what was he like?
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IPP where they give these sentences, they give about 6,000 out,
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where say someone they believe is a risk, they'll give them two years,
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And if you've had a little misbehaving, then you stay in.
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So some people have got two years and they're in 15 years later.
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Now Joe Outlaw, I think, got four years and he's still in 16 years later.
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But he then has, and I said to him, he goes, he smashed the window out of the cell
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and he made a catapult and he covered every window.
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And I'm looking thinking, that's some pretty good going.
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And then when I get put on this, when I'm on segregation,
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Then someone was underneath me because I could hear.
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I've walked over and I can see through the gap in the window.
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And he said, Tommy, he goes, my name's Joe Outlaw.
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I said, you was on the contingency suite in Belmarsh.
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He said, do you know how many people are dying, Tommy?
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He's, I have the utmost respect for someone who sacrificed himself, which is what he's told
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He sacrificed his own position to fight the system, to bring to the attention of the
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He smashed entire things down and he's wrote IPP on the roofs and then he's sunbathing
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So he, he was down there and he's only been put there.
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So he had gone 18 months and they're 18 months and he probably will never see the
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And then once I realized I spoke to him at the window, I never got out again.
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Well, I mean, I bet for both of you, it was the first human interaction.
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And I said, it may sound, cause they said, but yeah, it's just, you know, I don't
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I spent, I had the three hours out, but I was on my own.
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And then 21 hours just on my, on my little blue map bed thing.
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You know, you're being very generous with your time.
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I know you want to get home and it's almost noon and you've got other things to do on
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I just want to ask you about two more things and then I'll be done.
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One of the things that's accelerated when you were away is other prosecutions for people
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saying hurt words like Lucy Connelly, the spouse of a conservative party counselor made
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She took it down within hours, but she was sentenced to 31 months in prison.
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Lucy, Lucy Connelly is not a criminal in my eyes, in the whole country's eyes, I reckon.
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As migrants coming off boats, £15 billion is being spent.
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Working class families can't feed their families, old-page pensions can't heat their homes.
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And hotels are being flooded and filled with migrant men, many of whom sexual offenders,
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So when that attack happens, I wasn't aware at the time, but Lucy Connelly lost her own child, I believe.
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So she's lost her own child, and it triggered things for her.
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And everyone, what social media is, it's like shouting.
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Now, even if the state and the government, because it was all political,
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because they got the courts within 48 hours to imprison all these people.
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So everyone under her words and said a few words on Facebook or social media were locked up in prison.
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Now, if they say that was justified, well, so far she's done a year.
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Do you know if I had the option, because I got out four months earlier, I'd have done my four months.
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And the thing is, the state decided to look up English and British mothers, fathers, grandfathers.
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They were lied to about the nature of the stabbings.
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And the government, I believe it's come out since I was in here.
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Remember Kiyosama stood on the news everywhere saying it was the far right.
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And it's come out now that there was no far right.
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It was angry people in every town and city, because the whole country is angry, of the
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And rather than address the reasons why people are angry, they just blamed it on far right
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But my thing is, you see locking up Lucy Connery.
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Doing it so high profile, doing it so public, and not backing down recently.
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You're supposed to be too scared to say anything on social media, too scared to attend demonstrations
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because they were locking up people for peacefully protesting.
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And I think the only response to that, which is why I took satisfaction with my film.
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And if you want to do a service to the people who are being silenced and being imprisoned,
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then a show of defiance on the 13th of September, we're going to hold the biggest celebration
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of free speech, a festival of freedom happening in central London with guest speakers.
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It's going to be, we've got speakers agreed from Canada.
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Some high profile MAGA representatives coming from America.
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We've got Polish politicians, Danish politicians.
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In a show of defiance that they want to take our free speech with this film.
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If you want to gag me and take my free speech, the world's going to know about it.
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Let everyone in Britain, if you're fed up of the suppression of speech, if you're fed up of the attack,
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the war being waged upon our country and our people, the flooding of our nation,
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the fact you can't get a dentist appointment, yet migrants are straight to the front of the queue,
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the fact they're just flooding this country and old age pensioners can't heat their houses.
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Yet, as I said, 15 billion is being spent on these hotels.
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But I think that people, rather than coming out in anger, we've showed with the United Kingdom,
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In our last three organised demonstrations, we had a festival, atmosphere, music.
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We're not just going to unite the country on the 13th of September.
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It's going to be unite the kingdom slash MAGA slash MEGA.
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And for me, we need to start where we left off.
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And you're going to see that on the 13th of September.
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I'm excited that my team at Urban Scoop are still there.
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Because during this imprisonment, people, journalists, commentators,
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who would never have spoke up, are now speaking up.
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And certainly the Labour Party and the Conservative Party saw that shift
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But I've physically seen that shift on the street by the reaction I receive
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and the people talking about things and the people watching things.
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So the mood of the country and the mood of the nation has changed.
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And the Overton window has continually shifted.
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Because single-handedly, the ripple effect coming out,
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I think many of us in the UK, I know certainly me when I sat in my cells,
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were so excited for America, but also so disheartened.
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And then J.D. Vance in Munich talking about free speech.
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And we are under attack by our leaders who care nothing for our freedoms.
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And if we lose our free speech, we lose everything.
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I'm also worried because I know they're coming at me from every angle.
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But I'm also very grateful to the people who spoke up on my behalf,
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to the people who saw the truth and saw what was right compared to what was wrong,
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I think people made comments who disagree with me and don't like me.
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I think there was quite a lot of people that spoke up.
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And as I said, I don't think there's probably anyone better placed in this country right now
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that's going to be able to speak about what's happening within our prison system.
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Do you know, I'd like to thank the staff at HMP Woodhill.
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What people don't realise is they're just, they're ordinary people.
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Woodhill houses the worst, most violent offenders in our country.
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Yeah, some of the crimes they've committed on these maximum security units.
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Do you know who's got to walk them from A to B from their cell?
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I sit there and think, we're not talking six train killers.
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And the people who have got to deal with him every day and bring him his food
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Do you know, like the officer, one officer even just yesterday,
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said he's been attacked every month for six months.
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So they've put themselves, I never thought of it.
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I never thought of it until I sat and listened so much.
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And I've never seen a prison like Woodhill with the amount of violence.
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Constantly the bells, the alarm bells, because you hear them on the radio.
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Do you know I ask the staff, I always do, what they think of the governor.
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So I asked this in every prison, about everything.
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I asked what Julian Assange was like when I meet the staff.
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So I asked the staff what Charles Monson was like,
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She, you know, like they say, a manager loses the changing room.
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A football manager, if they lose the changing room, they've lost,
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And I obviously ask a lot of the staff about him,
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and everyone spoke very highly of him, which is a massive difference.
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I'm grateful more than anyone to my family as well,
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Tommy, I've taken up more time of yours than I thought I would.
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Today's a big day for you to reconnect with the family.
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Thanks for taking an hour to talk to our viewers.
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No, Ezra, I said it earlier, everyone needs an Ezra Levant.
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Ezra has maintained contact with my family the whole time.
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Do you know they blocked any contact with me and Ezra?
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And I believe that if I'd have had personal contact with him,
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I'm very grateful to you and everyone who watched you and supported you in that.
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And do you know everyone who just wrote me a letter?
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I couldn't reply and I had some heartbreaking emails and some beautiful emails.
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If you took the time to write to me, know that I read your letter.