Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ FREE AT LAST! Tommy Robinson sits down for exclusive interview

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00:01:18.440 Ezra Levant here in Luton in the United Kingdom. I'm with Tommy Robinson.

00:01:28.780 Earlier this morning, he got out of prison where he was in solitary confinement for seven months.

00:01:34.380 Take a look at that.

00:01:35.640 You know, I said thank yous. I thanked Elon Musk. I want to make sure I get, there's so many people

00:01:40.180 I need to personally thank. I want to thank the Petersons. I want to thank Tammy who traveled to

00:01:43.880 this jail but wasn't allowed in at the same time that they were canceling all my visits. I've got so

00:01:47.940 many personal thank yous to give out. I'll miss people and I'll forget people. Ezra Levant, I'm

00:01:52.240 going to go see him now. Ezra has continuously had my back. I think everyone needs a friend like

00:01:56.360 Ezra from Rebel Media. He's continually helped me. He's helped my family and been in contact.

00:02:00.600 Do you know how they cut any contact with Ezra? I won't allow any contact with him in there because

00:02:04.160 they probably knew that he was the one man that could have helped. And I believe I'd have been out

00:02:08.260 of jail if I'd have had direct contact with Ezra Levant.

00:02:10.600 Tommy, it's great to see you. You had a bit of a shave and a haircut. We grabbed a bite of

00:02:15.140 breakfast. You said a quick hello to the kids. Thank you for sitting down with me. I'm so interested

00:02:20.440 to talk to you about your terrible experience, but in a couple of ways, a wonderful experience too. I

00:02:26.160 want to talk both sides of it. First of all, welcome.

00:02:28.900 No, thanks. Ezra, thank you. Thank you as well.

00:02:31.240 Seven months in a maximum security prison full of murderers and terrorists in segregation

00:02:41.960 for a word crime. You published a video on Twitter. It wasn't even a crime at all.

00:02:48.520 It's a civil offence. I still find it unbelievable. I find unbelievable the sentences because

00:02:54.640 the guidelines, what I find unbelievable, criminals get 60% off and then they half it again and get

00:03:01.140 HTC home detention curfew for tagging. And they say the reason for the Labour government

00:03:05.960 brought in the policy that they get 60% off and they're emptying the prisons because the

00:03:09.840 prisons are full. So I go to prison as a civil offender. You're right. As a civil offender,

00:03:13.840 you should go to an open prison. I'm transferred to H&B Woodhill, maximum security. When they took

00:03:19.240 me to the segregation unit, there's 16 cells here, 16 cells here. So they cleared that whole side.

00:03:24.800 So they put just me on this side.

00:03:26.480 So they let those prisoners go free.

00:03:28.260 No, they gave them... So when you go that... Segregation in a prison is where you go for

00:03:32.760 punishment. So if you stab someone and there's some amazing... I have had a seven-month education

00:03:38.060 of interviewing officers. Every officer I saw, I'm a journalist, I just interviewed and asked

00:03:42.940 questions and watched and listened to radios. And so I could get information on what's happening

00:03:46.860 within the prison system. I spent time on the separation centre, which is the prison within

00:03:50.860 the prison built for jihadists to see the facility, the accommodation. But the segregation

00:03:55.800 facilities where you go... If you stab someone in jail... So you know, there was recently

00:04:00.300 a stab at Woodhill Prison. The officer got stabbed in the head. You see it on the news?

00:04:03.300 Right. It's only been in the news because of the Salman Abadie's brother attack. There's

00:04:07.200 been some high profile terrorist attacks within the prison system against members of staff.

00:04:11.300 And two weeks ago, or 10 days ago, there was an attack on the prison officer. So when that

00:04:15.300 boy stabbed the prison officer in the head, he gets put in the segregation unit. That's what the

00:04:19.200 segregation units for. Now, to get them out, because the staff told me, they were bribing

00:04:24.200 the prisoners. So because they're down segregation, they were saying, just forget whatever you've

00:04:27.200 done. You can go back to the wing. So where they've gone down there as punishment for violently

00:04:30.800 attacking people or any problems they've done in the jail, they were just all let out. And

00:04:35.200 they're not allowed TVs down there. Yeah? They're giving them all TVs. They're getting them to

00:04:38.600 move over to the other side of segregation, giving them TVs. So I was on my own there.

00:04:42.200 So this was to clear out a wing for you. They were letting these terrorists who were violent,

00:04:47.200 someone stabbed a guard, but they needed a clear space for you. So they let them out of

00:04:52.200 segregation. So I had 16 cells there. And then for the first five weeks, I just stayed

00:04:57.200 there, 23 and a half hour lockup. I got taken out on the exercise yard on my own for 30 minutes.

00:05:02.200 And this was why they were trying to work out what to do. And then because I was a civil offender,

00:05:07.200 they had to allow me exercise. And they wouldn't allow me any,

00:05:12.200 what's it called, any interaction with anyone else. But they said, for my own safety.

00:05:18.200 So then there's a separation centre. So the prison, the British prisons built,

00:05:22.200 in six prisons in the UK, I think it's six, they built prisons within prisons for the jihadists. 0.95

00:05:27.200 So the worst, most feared jihadists, because they're converting and recruiting on the wings,

00:05:33.200 the most, the worst ones go to this centre called a separation centre.

00:05:37.200 So I was held in segregation, but every morning then, I'd get taken at half eight in the morning,

00:05:41.200 I'd get walked over, 22 doors, so I counted, someone said, so it's 22 doors,

00:05:46.200 you go for all the locked doors, but to get me from here, 16 cells here, 16 cells here,

00:05:51.200 to get me from here, so that no one saw me, I'd go through the back office route,

00:05:55.200 all the way around the back and taken out, then over to the maximum security.

00:05:59.200 So although Woodhill is a B, Category B long-term prison, it has the most secure unit in the country.

00:06:07.200 So the fierce, the most, the worst prisoners is where you come and have the visit.

00:06:12.200 That unit there is for the top security. So to get a prisoner out of the cell on that unit,

00:06:18.200 they have six fully dressed in riot gear officers, just to take them to the shower.

00:06:23.200 So to walk them from here, they open the door, they take them from there,

00:06:26.200 they get all padded up into full riot gear, and they take them to the shower,

00:06:30.200 and then they walk back. But that's where that unit is.

00:06:32.200 For anyone who's murdered people in prison, for any of the repeat violent murder offenders,

00:06:38.200 they go to this unit. But the part, so there's different sections of this unit,

00:06:42.200 but one section is the jihadist unit, for the jihadists. But it was closed.

00:06:46.200 So in Woodhill it was closed. It's empty. So when they took me,

00:06:50.200 at half eight in the morning, they'd put me on this unit, on my own.

00:06:54.200 So I'd have 30 minutes outside, and then I'd have, there's a, it's not a gym,

00:06:59.200 it's like a small makeshift gym. It's got a running machine and exercise bike.

00:07:02.200 So for the first five months or so, that's four and a half months,

00:07:06.200 that's where I was in the morning, from half eight till half eleven, on my own.

00:07:10.200 So the prison, I'd get locked outside, I'd walk around for 30 minutes.

00:07:14.200 Then I'd get locked in this little gym, I'd spend two hours in there.

00:07:18.200 But I got to see the facilities on the separation centre.

00:07:23.200 It's like a travel lodge. You know a travel lodge hotel?

00:07:25.200 Yeah.

00:07:26.200 It's mad. I've been in ten prisons.

00:07:27.200 So prisons are not nice environments, the equipment, the beds.

00:07:31.200 So segregation centre, because you're down there as a punishment,

00:07:33.200 there's nothing in your cell. There's just the blue map, the bed.

00:07:36.200 But even on normal wings, you sort of have sort of makeshift rooms.

00:07:42.200 Let me pause you there. I want to learn more about what it was like in prison,

00:07:46.200 because the fact that you were held in a prison built for terrorists and murderers

00:07:51.200 and the full riot gear transfers is shocking.

00:07:54.200 But for some of our viewers who might not know the back story,

00:07:57.200 let's just pause for a second.

00:07:59.200 You were sent in there not for committing a crime,

00:08:02.200 not for harming anyone, not for terrorism or murder.

00:08:05.200 You were sent in there for publishing a documentary film to Twitter.

00:08:10.200 A judge said, don't do it. You did it. And so he threw you in prison.

00:08:14.200 I did it. I knew they'd throw me in prison.

00:08:17.200 I know if I'd give them any opportunity, they'd throw me in prison.

00:08:20.200 But what that documentary shown, to everyone who's watched it,

00:08:23.200 is it showed the corruption of the judiciary, along with the government,

00:08:27.200 working together in order to silence people through intimidation or through NDAs.

00:08:32.200 What you see in the film is NDAs. Nondisclosure agreements.

00:08:34.200 Nondisclosure agreements.

00:08:35.200 Nondisclosure agreements. They pay people just to keep them silent.

00:08:37.200 So you never get the story out there because people are being paid not to tell the story.

00:08:39.200 So this was the case of a Syrian teenager at a school.

00:08:43.200 And I'm not looking to crack open the facts of it.

00:08:45.200 I'm not allowed to crack open the facts. I'll go straight back to jail.

00:08:48.200 So, I mean, and I'm not looking to violate any court orders here myself.

00:08:53.200 I don't want to be thrown in jail or banned from the UK.

00:08:56.200 But that's what the subject matter was.

00:08:59.200 It was a lively debate.

00:09:02.200 And, you know, I won't press you because I don't want to get you in trouble.

00:09:05.200 But it was a real issue.

00:09:07.200 And my view of it is essentially a judge said,

00:09:10.200 your evidence in this documentary does not reach the evidentiary level to have it admissible in court.

00:09:21.200 Go ahead.

00:09:22.200 The judge ruled that seven teachers that were covertly recorded were lying.

00:09:27.200 All of them were lying.

00:09:28.200 Five pupils that come to court to testify.

00:09:30.200 They were lying.

00:09:31.200 He just ruled that everyone was lying.

00:09:33.200 He doesn't say what...

00:09:34.200 In his summary, he says sometimes people just lie.

00:09:37.200 They don't need a reason to lie.

00:09:38.200 They just lie.

00:09:39.200 So he found that five children committed perjury.

00:09:41.200 That's what his ruling was.

00:09:43.200 And the only person that told the truth was the Syrian refugee in question. 0.99

00:09:46.200 So, but by coming to that finding, what he'd done by giving the injunction,

00:09:51.200 preventing anyone from seeing the film, was preventing anyone seeing the evidence.

00:09:55.200 So then no one can see that it's impossible to come to the verdict he'd come to,

00:09:58.200 if they can see the evidence.

00:10:00.200 Well, and that's the thing.

00:10:01.200 I mean, in America, there's a phrase, the Streisand effect.

00:10:03.200 It's named after Barbara Streisand.

00:10:05.200 She didn't want people taking photos of her home in Malibu.

00:10:08.200 So all of a sudden, everybody took photos of her home in Malibu.

00:10:11.200 You know, no one would have been interested had she not said, you can't do that.

00:10:16.200 So they ordered you not to make the film.

00:10:20.200 By the time you took it down a couple of weeks ago, it had what, 167 million views?

00:10:26.200 Most watched film in British history.

00:10:29.200 I think it took those views.

00:10:31.200 And I'll be honest, when I made the decision to release the film, I was shitting myself.

00:10:36.200 I was scared.

00:10:37.200 I was scared and I knew where it would end up.

00:10:40.200 And I knew that by giving them that opportunity, it would give them the opportunity to hold me on segregation and solitary confinement.

00:10:46.200 I knew that. I knew that it would give them the opportunity to mess with everything and play games with everything.

00:10:52.200 But the British public need to know because they're getting screen fed stories and narratives and agendas by the government and by the state.

00:11:01.200 And they need to know the truth.

00:11:03.200 It's like the grooming scandal, which is why I believe there's such a target on my back.

00:11:08.200 They managed for decades to suppress it and silence it.

00:11:11.200 They managed successfully to hide it.

00:11:13.200 The police knew it was happening for decades.

00:11:15.200 The government knew it was happening for decades.

00:11:17.200 This is the organized...

00:11:18.200 Organized rape.

00:11:19.200 The media.

00:11:20.200 All the media knew.

00:11:21.200 None of them reported it.

00:11:22.200 They all knew.

00:11:23.200 All of them knew.

00:11:24.200 So the last thing they want is citizen journalism.

00:11:26.200 And I always say the mainstream media are the cancer and citizen journalism is the cure.

00:11:31.200 We're uncontrollable.

00:11:32.200 I learned this from you.

00:11:33.200 That's right.

00:11:34.200 I learned this from you.

00:11:35.200 To tell the other side of the story that the public aren't getting.

00:11:38.200 So with this story, they spoon fed the entire population a narrative and a gender driven story about open border immigration and hiding the realities and the problems that come with that.

00:11:49.200 And they lied.

00:11:50.200 So then I created my documentary which gave people...

00:11:53.200 I didn't even give my opinion.

00:11:55.200 I just said, actually, here's the evidence.

00:11:57.200 I'm not allowed to say what the evidence is.

00:11:59.200 But here's the evidence.

00:12:00.200 Make your own mind up, which is how it should be.

00:12:03.200 But that's not...

00:12:04.200 So yeah, I produced a documentary.

00:12:06.200 I thought the British public deserved to see.

00:12:08.200 And the reason why I thought they deserved to see.

00:12:10.200 Anyone...

00:12:11.200 You've been in this...

00:12:12.200 You've been in this situation.

00:12:13.200 When you're in the hot seat, yeah?

00:12:15.200 Or you're exposing things, they come at you from everywhere.

00:12:18.200 I don't know how many lawsuits you've fought.

00:12:19.200 I learned it from you.

00:12:21.200 You fought lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit.

00:12:23.200 And the supporters helped you fight those lawsuits.

00:12:25.200 But if they didn't, you'd be finished.

00:12:28.200 And that is lawfare.

00:12:29.200 And I remember when I first started my activism, it hit on me.

00:12:32.200 But I watched Gert Wilders in Holland, who was very unspoken at the time.

00:12:36.200 It wasn't big, but he was talking about the Islamisation of Holland.

00:12:38.200 And he faced prosecution after prosecution after prosecution.

00:12:42.200 Morten Messenschmitt, who's the leader of the Danish People's Party in Denmark,

00:12:45.200 who was against the EU a bit and speaking about Islam.

00:12:47.200 He faced the same.

00:12:49.200 And I looked...

00:12:50.200 And this is the same playbook across the entire globe.

00:12:51.200 I looked over to America. 0.71

00:12:53.200 Look what they've done to General Flynn.

00:12:54.200 Look what they've done to Steve Bannon.

00:12:56.200 I think Donald Trump himself.

00:12:57.200 Donald Trump would spend the rest of his life in prison if he didn't win that election.

00:13:00.200 And the Trump administration know that.

00:13:02.200 So they're fully aware of the weaponisation and the politicisation of the judiciary.

00:13:05.200 But most people in the British public believe there's a justice system.

00:13:08.200 What I wanted to do with this film is show them there's not.

00:13:11.200 Now, I know there's not.

00:13:12.200 But you need to see there's not.

00:13:14.200 So if you look at it like this.

00:13:16.200 Say, for example, Elon Musk didn't buy X.

00:13:18.200 Because I knew that film had been leaked.

00:13:21.200 And at the same time, it got removed off of all the other social medias.

00:13:24.200 Oh, so Facebook took it down and YouTube took it down.

00:13:27.200 Facebook, YouTube took it down.

00:13:28.200 So I knew then they're coming for me.

00:13:29.200 Did Rumble keep it up?

00:13:30.200 Rumble keep it up.

00:13:31.200 Rumble kept it up.

00:13:32.200 But I knew they were coming for me.

00:13:33.200 So what I knew was they're going to delete the film from everywhere, then put me in jail.

00:13:36.200 So then if there was no X, if there was no X, then 167 million people wouldn't have seen the truth.

00:13:43.200 All you would have seen is the mainstream media headlines.

00:13:46.200 Now, if you go on Google now and Google Tommy Robinson contempt of court, they tell you that I lied.

00:13:51.200 But I lied.

00:13:52.200 No, I didn't lie.

00:13:53.200 I just done 18 months for not lying.

00:13:55.200 Yeah.

00:13:56.200 They tell you I lied.

00:13:57.200 But that's all you would have known.

00:13:58.200 So if you go on my Wikipedia page, and you ignore the documentary and the film you've watched, you'll see case after case after case of just their lies, of their agenda, of telling you who I am, the bad person I am, the extremist I am.

00:14:11.200 I've been defamed and slandered by a globalist media who have attacked me.

00:14:16.200 And I've looked at this.

00:14:17.200 I believe we in Britain live in a totalitarian state.

00:14:20.200 And the media are just a weapon of the state.

00:14:22.200 The judiciary is another weapon of the state.

00:14:24.200 And if you get in their way, or you challenge them, they use any of their armory to destroy you.

00:14:30.200 And that's what I experienced.

00:14:31.200 And anyone, I'm happy.

00:14:33.200 And you know what?

00:14:34.200 I was happy even in there.

00:14:36.200 Whilst I knew, I was panicked, because I knew the long term effect of solitary confinement.

00:14:41.200 I remember last time I was in prison.

00:14:43.200 I remember the problems I had when I was released.

00:14:45.200 So constantly, I was concerned for that.

00:14:48.200 A consulting psychologist examined you in prison and wrote a lengthy report that was shown to the court that suggested being in solitary confinement for seven months was having a grave impact on your mental health.

00:15:04.200 Tell me about that.

00:15:07.200 And did any prison nurses or doctors meet with you?

00:15:11.200 What did they say?

00:15:12.200 I've never heard of anyone other than Julian Assange spend seven months in solitary confinement.

00:15:19.200 Typically, as you mentioned, it's a short term punishment for someone who engages in misconduct.

00:15:23.200 It's two weeks, two weeks.

00:15:24.200 It's called the Mandela rule. 0.63

00:15:25.200 You're only allowed to do 14 days.

00:15:27.200 I think it's unprecedented in the UK.

00:15:30.200 I don't want to say that with certainty.

00:15:32.200 But certainly, no other journalist has ever been sentenced to contempt of court in this matter.

00:15:37.200 No other journalist has been prosecuted in nearly a century.

00:15:41.200 You mentioned some of the guards, but were there nurses or doctors in prison who saw you?

00:15:46.200 So in the first week, I sat down, and I've got all the paperwork for this as well.

00:15:49.200 So remember, I always bring the receipts as well.

00:15:51.200 I like to bring the receipts on lots of issues.

00:15:52.200 I've got lots of receipts.

00:15:53.200 But I sat down with a psychologist, and this is the first week.

00:15:57.200 And then I've been taken there.

00:15:59.200 I'm in solitary confinement on my own, 23 and a half hours a day.

00:16:02.200 I get out for 30 minutes.

00:16:04.200 And I said to her, like, I understand, but you're the expert here, not me.

00:16:09.200 What's this going to do to me?

00:16:10.200 She said, this is going to be devastating to you.

00:16:12.200 She told me that.

00:16:13.200 So I said, okay.

00:16:14.200 And I've got it in black and white.

00:16:15.200 So I said, well, I don't want to be here.

00:16:17.200 I want to be out there.

00:16:19.200 As in, not even outside.

00:16:20.200 I want to be outside.

00:16:21.200 I don't want to be in jail.

00:16:22.200 And in the writing, because she wrote it all down, I said, I would rather physically fight every day.

00:16:27.200 So put me out there.

00:16:28.200 I'm not asking you to separate me.

00:16:29.200 So you're saying in the general population?

00:16:31.200 Put me in the general population.

00:16:32.200 So I want to clarify this because I've been told this several times by journalists,

00:16:37.200 well-meaning journalists who I think are misinformed.

00:16:39.200 They claim that you requested to be put in solitary.

00:16:43.200 And I don't think that's true.

00:16:44.200 What's the truth?

00:16:45.200 I've got the paperwork.

00:16:46.200 We actually thought you just refused to try and get me out of solitary.

00:16:49.200 So never.

00:16:50.200 So it was really a tactic by the prison governor because she doesn't, she didn't control the prison. 1.00

00:16:57.200 The prisons are controlled by the gangs.

00:16:59.200 She didn't know where to put you. 0.77

00:17:01.200 Even though they brought me to, they brought me from Belmarsh to Woodhill.

00:17:03.200 When they brought me to Woodhill, which is a maximum security facility.

00:17:06.200 It has a 40, over 40% Muslim population.

00:17:09.200 50% of the prisoners are in there, are in there for murder.

00:17:12.200 Many, many terrorists.

00:17:13.200 A prisoner got beheaded.

00:17:15.200 Oh my God.

00:17:16.200 On the yard.

00:17:17.200 Beheaded.

00:17:18.200 Anyone who would kill you would become an instant celebrity and hero.

00:17:22.200 Check this.

00:17:23.200 They chopped his head off.

00:17:24.200 They chopped his head off.

00:17:25.200 He's a Ukrainian.

00:17:26.200 Got done by Muslims. 1.00

00:17:27.200 They chopped his head off and they used bedsheets.

00:17:29.200 They had him out in the yard and they used bedsheets.

00:17:31.200 Oh my God.

00:17:32.200 To continually get his head off.

00:17:33.200 Oh my God.

00:17:34.200 That's medieval.

00:17:35.200 They used bedsheets.

00:17:36.200 But this is-

00:17:37.200 The prison's out of control.

00:17:38.200 But why take me for a civil offence to maximum security facility where 100% they took me

00:17:44.200 there because then you are totally in danger.

00:17:46.200 We cannot keep you safe.

00:17:48.200 So then they have the reason to put me on solitary confinement.

00:17:50.200 But when I got there, I said, I don't want to be in solitary confinement.

00:17:52.200 They said, so you go out on the wing?

00:17:53.200 I said, yeah, I'll go out on the wing.

00:17:55.200 And I've got it in black.

00:17:56.200 And I said, I would rather, the reason being, I would rather physically fight every day

00:18:01.200 than have you be able to mentally destroy me from the, and they're silent effects.

00:18:06.200 And this is just, just go on Google and say-

00:18:09.200 It's sensory deprivation.

00:18:10.200 It's what it does.

00:18:11.200 And that's not my, that's not me thinking.

00:18:12.200 And they played mind games with you too.

00:18:13.200 Let me give you a personal example.

00:18:15.200 I visited you once.

00:18:17.200 And this was very early in your term.

00:18:20.200 And you seemed in fair enough spirits.

00:18:22.200 But I wanted to come back several times to see if you were declining.

00:18:26.200 In one case, they accepted my request for a visit, but then they later canceled it.

00:18:31.200 And I responded with all sorts of, I said, I'll sign a non-disclosure agreement.

00:18:35.200 I'll, you know, I'll commit to a binding undertaking.

00:18:39.200 Like, I just want to get in and see how you're doing.

00:18:41.200 And I wanted to talk to you.

00:18:42.200 And I think they were playing games saying yes, then no.

00:18:45.200 They blocked everyone.

00:18:46.200 And they blocked them last minute, the day before.

00:18:48.200 And they let people fly here from America and then they blocked them.

00:18:50.200 So, so this was all happening at the same time.

00:18:53.200 That's about eight weeks in, because it was towards Christmas or over Christmas.

00:18:56.200 Was there a change?

00:18:57.200 Like, why did they suddenly become whimsical and capricious?

00:19:00.200 So, well, I believe Dan, it was after Dan Wooten's visit.

00:19:04.200 Dan Wooten visited me.

00:19:05.200 He's a journalist.

00:19:06.200 He's a journalist.

00:19:07.200 And on that visit, I explained to him, when I was taken to Belmarsh Prison for the first

00:19:12.200 week, I was held in the contingency suite, which is a solitary confinement block of three

00:19:16.200 units.

00:19:17.200 So no one else is there.

00:19:18.200 But the exercise yard for that is a little courtyard.

00:19:22.200 And healthcare, which is the medical hospital wing, is above.

00:19:25.200 Now, when I was taken there, I used to walk out and all the nurses would come to the window

00:19:29.200 and they'd all say, we're with you.

00:19:31.200 All the staff were great everywhere.

00:19:32.200 When I visited you, the prison guards seemed friendly.

00:19:35.200 The prison, I believe that there's not enough recognition for the job they do.

00:19:40.200 I don't think people quite understand how bad it is.

00:19:42.200 And if the attacks, the violent attacks, they're getting shit thrown in their faces,

00:19:46.200 piss thrown in their faces.

00:19:48.200 You know when that officer got stabbed in the head, there was three attacks that day.

00:19:51.200 Just that day, two prisoners are dead in the last four months in Woodhill.

00:19:56.200 That's in Woodhill.

00:19:57.200 In one seven-day period, just remember, I'm not with the officers much.

00:20:01.200 I'm getting trapped when I get walked across places, listening to their radios.

00:20:04.200 One female officer had her nose broke.

00:20:06.200 Another officer lost his teeth.

00:20:07.200 Another officer was attacked with boiling water.

00:20:09.200 That was in a seven-day period, just in Woodhill.

00:20:12.200 The prisoners are out of control.

00:20:13.200 That's just in the walking.

00:20:15.200 When I'm walking from A to B.

00:20:16.200 That's just me listening, not on the radios, when I'm walking from A to B.

00:20:19.200 Wow.

00:20:20.200 I'm not spending eight hours with them.

00:20:21.200 Wow.

00:20:22.200 That's me walking from A to B.

00:20:23.200 But they went, they were all at the same time.

00:20:26.200 So they cancelled my visits.

00:20:27.200 And then it's a, I wait all day.

00:20:29.200 So my phone, and I've got, again, I bring the receipts.

00:20:32.200 When I was on the jihadist wing, I took the paper.

00:20:34.200 So they've got paper with all their phone times of when their phones are on.

00:20:37.200 So I took it.

00:20:38.200 I've got it, I've got it home now.

00:20:39.200 I took it from there, from the jihadist wing.

00:20:41.200 Their phones go on at six in the morning and they're on until 11 p.m. at night.

00:20:45.200 So they can phone anytime.

00:20:46.200 I understand that you were limited.

00:20:48.200 Half hour in the morning, half hour.

00:20:50.200 When your kids were at school or at work.

00:20:52.200 Well, when, but then they didn't let me have a six in the evening one where they put it

00:20:56.200 on for an hour.

00:20:57.200 But then I'd wait all day.

00:20:58.200 Now I don't, now this may sound small.

00:21:00.200 But when you're spending that 21 hours sat on a blue mat, waiting.

00:21:04.200 And you wait for that phone call.

00:21:06.200 They just don't turn the phone on.

00:21:07.200 I'm ready to kill someone.

00:21:09.200 Little things.

00:21:10.200 So I mean, I'm ready to kill someone.

00:21:11.200 And I don't believe that, you know, they had so many petty little manipulations like

00:21:16.200 that.

00:21:17.200 It stopped.

00:21:18.200 It stopped when the governor left.

00:21:21.200 There's no way that wasn't part of a psychological campaign against you.

00:21:25.200 It stopped when Nicola Marfleet left.

00:21:28.200 So Nicola Marfleet resigned the day after my court case. 0.52

00:21:30.200 She was a sadistic woman. 1.00

00:21:31.200 She was appointed to that position clearly for agenda quarter.

00:21:34.200 She resigned.

00:21:35.200 And all of the people that had been canceled, the visitors, Dominik Sureski, Polish MP,

00:21:40.200 they were allowed to come.

00:21:41.200 You'd have been allowed to come once she was gone.

00:21:43.200 Like she was blocking the visits.

00:21:45.200 Messed, just messing.

00:21:46.200 As I said, I knew, I knew when I was playing the film, I knew I'm putting myself in that position.

00:21:49.200 So I shouldn't be moaning about too much because I knew exactly what I was doing.

00:21:52.200 But I also had this hope that the film would reach the masses because the film is far bigger

00:21:57.200 than Tommy Robinson.

00:21:58.200 The film is what's happening to whistleblowers everywhere.

00:22:01.200 As I said, the weaponization of the courts and lawfare being used as a weapon to suppress

00:22:06.200 and silence people, which is what I've experienced the whole of my time.

00:22:10.200 But I wanted everyone else to see it.

00:22:11.200 And the film showed them that.

00:22:12.200 And off the back of that film, as soon as I went to jail, it had become very apparent,

00:22:17.200 quick from the mail lovers receiving, that it's had the adverse effect for what they hoped.

00:22:22.200 You know, I remember when you were going to court for your sentencing and you pled guilty.

00:22:30.200 You basically said, yes, I did.

00:22:31.200 I'm not going to deny.

00:22:33.200 Do you know how it is?

00:22:34.200 I'm pissed off.

00:22:35.200 £84,000 was handed to those lawyers.

00:22:38.200 So we prepared to fight the case.

00:22:40.200 So we prepared to fight the case.

00:22:41.200 We crowdfunded that.

00:22:42.200 We crowdfunded and we're ready to fight the case.

00:22:44.200 It hurt me the whole time I was sitting in there.

00:22:47.200 So we crowdfunded to fight the case.

00:22:48.200 So I land back into the UK and I know I've got a warrant out from the High Court.

00:22:53.200 So I land and they don't arrest me.

00:22:55.200 So I say to my solicitor the next day, you need to ring them.

00:22:57.200 I want to hand myself in because I can see what they're going to do here.

00:23:00.200 We had the big rally on the Saturday.

00:23:02.200 So she contacts the High Court and says, is there a warrant out?

00:23:05.200 He wants to hand himself in.

00:23:06.200 The judge says, no, there's not.

00:23:08.200 So the judge says, no.

00:23:09.200 I go to answer bail for something else on the Friday at one o'clock.

00:23:14.200 At 11am in the morning, the judge activated the warrant.

00:23:17.200 So after saying there's not one, he activates it at 11am.

00:23:20.200 I go to answer bail at 1am.

00:23:21.200 I'm arrested.

00:23:22.200 There's no chance for bail.

00:23:23.200 So I was arrested to make sure I missed the demonstration on Saturday.

00:23:26.200 Now that is the judge making a political decision.

00:23:28.200 Because if there's a, if there's, if I've got a warrant, I should be arrested.

00:23:31.200 He held, he held the warrant.

00:23:33.200 So then the lawyers come down to see me.

00:23:35.200 And do you know, I pled guilty.

00:23:38.200 Anyone can watch what I pled guilty to.

00:23:40.200 I pled guilty to the film going out in America.

00:23:42.200 Yeah.

00:23:43.200 I have evidence.

00:23:44.200 I have video evidence for when the American journalist knocked on my mum and dad's door.

00:23:47.200 Because they, they videoed it like they videoed everything.

00:23:49.200 Yeah.

00:23:50.200 When they knocked on my mum and dad door that they had come into possession of the film.

00:23:53.200 And they were playing the film.

00:23:55.200 Yeah.

00:23:56.200 I was ready to fight.

00:23:57.200 Not guilty.

00:23:58.200 Also, the fact that the judge, Justice Nicklin, he didn't have me in court because he said

00:24:04.200 he had COVID.

00:24:05.200 Yeah.

00:24:06.200 He didn't want to give out the verdict.

00:24:07.200 So he said he had COVID.

00:24:08.200 Then he emailed me the injunction.

00:24:10.200 Now, email of an injunction doesn't constitute service.

00:24:13.200 So I'd never had the injunction.

00:24:15.200 Because they're supposed to use a service presider and have a stamp to say I've been.

00:24:18.200 So we had a technicality argument to fight.

00:24:20.200 But when I got down to the, when they, when the KC come to see me, I was in Felixstowe

00:24:25.200 police station.

00:24:26.200 I said, do you know what?

00:24:27.200 Because they kept saying if I apologise.

00:24:29.200 I said, A, I don't want to apologise.

00:24:31.200 And B, I want to own it.

00:24:33.200 I said, I'm sitting here now.

00:24:35.200 I don't want to get off on a technicality.

00:24:36.200 I don't want to get off on a technicality.

00:24:38.200 And I don't want to fight and argue.

00:24:40.200 Say I won.

00:24:41.200 Say I did win.

00:24:42.200 If I did win, the world would not have seen that film.

00:24:45.200 So the world would not have seen that film.

00:24:47.200 So I said, okay, I'll plead guilty to every single bit of it.

00:24:51.200 But I want to own it.

00:24:52.200 I'd done it for free speech.

00:24:54.200 But yeah.

00:24:56.200 Well, and that's, I remember that day.

00:24:58.200 I was in court that day.

00:25:00.200 And you basically said, yes, I did.

00:25:03.200 And you flew, but you were in Spain.

00:25:05.200 You flew to meet your fate.

00:25:07.200 You didn't evade.

00:25:08.200 You didn't run away.

00:25:09.200 You flew to it.

00:25:10.200 I flew to it without sounding cocky, without sounding stupid either.

00:25:14.200 They walked straight into it.

00:25:16.200 I played that film.

00:25:17.200 They should have ignored it.

00:25:18.200 It had 200,000 views.

00:25:19.200 When they come for me, it had 200,000 views.

00:25:21.200 They gave me 167 million views.

00:25:23.200 I think on the day you were sentenced, if memory serves, that film had been seen 55 million times.

00:25:28.200 Yeah, by the time, but before, when they first come for court.

00:25:31.200 So remember, I had never released a film.

00:25:32.200 Right.

00:25:33.200 So they come for me for someone else releasing it in America.

00:25:35.200 And then they deleted it.

00:25:37.200 That's that strives hold effect.

00:25:38.200 Yeah.

00:25:39.200 Well, here's the thing.

00:25:40.200 I remember saying to you, and maybe this shows that I'm a bit of a coward by comparison.

00:25:45.200 I remember saying to you, I don't know if you remember me saying it.

00:25:47.200 I said, look, declare victory.

00:25:49.200 This thing's been seen 55 million times.

00:25:51.200 No, I remember.

00:25:52.200 And I'm not, I'm not, but I'm actually here to say, I think maybe I was wrong.

00:25:57.200 Because if, I mean, I don't think I would voluntarily submit to seven months in solitary.

00:26:04.200 I don't think, I don't know if I have the physical and mental stamina for that.

00:26:09.200 But what that did, like you say, more than 100 million new people saw it.

00:26:14.200 But your story of, I'm going to use the word martyrdom.

00:26:17.200 Everyone knew you were sacrificing yourself for a principle, not for a financial gain,

00:26:22.200 not for an immoral purpose.

00:26:25.200 It's extremely rare for someone to offer their body as a sacrifice.

00:26:30.200 If I may, it's almost Christ-like to say, I'm going to suffer for a principle.

00:26:36.200 100 million extra people saw it.

00:26:38.200 Elon Musk starts tweeting free Tommy Robinson.

00:26:41.200 And the entire cause of freedom of speech in the United Kingdom is accelerated.

00:26:47.200 You spending seven months in a form of torture, solitary confinement is a form of torture.

00:26:54.200 I believe accelerated the vector of free speech and looking into these grooming gangs.

00:27:02.200 It was a grooming gang thing for me.

00:27:04.200 You know, when I sat in there, it was the first week of January.

00:27:06.200 I remember ringing home.

00:27:07.200 I rang home and my son said, Dad, Dad.

00:27:10.200 He was shouting on the phone.

00:27:11.200 I was like, what?

00:27:12.200 He said, Elon Musk shared the film.

00:27:14.200 Elon Musk shared the film.

00:27:15.200 I was so excited.

00:27:17.200 And then, Elon Musk shared the rape of Britain.

00:27:20.200 And you know, that work, remember.

00:27:22.200 And it was because you were in prison.

00:27:24.200 That's what, and I knew we, I know in this country, there's no free speech.

00:27:28.200 But there's this facade of free speech.

00:27:30.200 They continually pretend we have free speech.

00:27:31.200 We are North Korea.

00:27:32.200 We are China.

00:27:33.200 We are Russia.

00:27:34.200 But we pretend to the country we're this bastion of free speech.

00:27:36.200 30 arrests a day for social media non-crime hate incidents.

00:27:41.200 30 a day.

00:27:42.200 I don't know if you saw that when you were in Britain.

00:27:44.200 I didn't know.

00:27:45.200 No.

00:27:46.200 The Times of London reports 30 people a day are arrested for social media.

00:27:48.200 For mean words.

00:27:49.200 For mean words.

00:27:50.200 Well, they don't even deal with criminals.

00:27:51.200 The point is, there is a war being waged in this country on free speech.

00:27:54.200 And many of the public are not even aware the war is going on.

00:27:57.200 So I knew what I hoped and I dreamed.

00:27:59.200 And I remember my son came on a visit and I said, son, because it's a difficult, you know,

00:28:02.200 when I make a decision, my whole family have to pay.

00:28:05.200 So I remember sitting the kids down saying, I want to do this.

00:28:08.200 Like, and it ate me up for three years.

00:28:10.200 Remember, we're only gagged and we're only silenced if we let them gag us and let them silence us.

00:28:14.200 And when they gave me that injunction, I didn't release the film for three years,

00:28:17.200 because I was scared of solitary confinement.

00:28:19.200 I was scared of the consequences.

00:28:20.200 I was scared of the effect on the family.

00:28:22.200 And it got to, and it ate me up for that amount of time.

00:28:24.200 So then I sat the kids down and sat the family down and said, I've got to release the film.

00:28:28.200 I've got to release the film and it's going to eat me up forever if I don't.

00:28:31.200 And it still would have.

00:28:32.200 So I can come out now and it's probably going to take me a little while to readjust anyway.

00:28:36.200 I remember last time I had problems.

00:28:37.200 I felt weird going back to my house.

00:28:39.200 So I'll have that.

00:28:42.200 But I may have had my time taken from me.

00:28:45.200 I may have been incarcerated in a cell, but I felt free.

00:28:49.200 I felt, I didn't feel free.

00:28:51.200 And do you know what?

00:28:52.200 When it was all kicking off with Keir Starmer in that first week of January,

00:28:55.200 I was sitting there thinking, I bet I feel a lot freer than Keir Starmer, doesn't it?

00:28:58.200 When the world was hammering the Labour Party and as they should and free speech in Britain.

00:29:03.200 And so I know, I know there's no free speech and I know the tactics have been used.

00:29:08.200 And I'm not angry with what they've done.

00:29:10.200 I want the world to know.

00:29:11.200 And right now, successfully, the world are fully aware that this is, we live in a post-free speech era in modern Europe.

00:29:20.200 There are other forces at work in the UK in addition to you.

00:29:23.200 But I think that you are a part of the reason why there are now more scrutiny of the rape gangs than ever.

00:29:30.200 Why there's more discussion of stopping the migrant boats than ever.

00:29:34.200 Why freedom of speech is being raised, not just by ordinary Brits, but even the Trump administration is raising it with Keir Starmer for the second time.

00:29:42.200 I think that in the backdrop, your imprisonment and the blatant prosecution of you for political trials.

00:29:51.200 I really think that was an accelerant to these trends of Brits waking up.

00:29:56.200 And frankly, the world, I mean, Elon Musk is not a Brit, but he told the world about that.

00:30:00.200 He told the world about the rape gang scandal.

00:30:02.200 And when he did, I remember the satisfaction.

00:30:05.200 You know, like, because I could have gone to prison and not watched the film.

00:30:08.200 I could have done all this and not watched the film.

00:30:09.200 It's a big risk.

00:30:10.200 I could have sat in there.

00:30:11.200 I could have got killed in there.

00:30:12.200 Had all these risks and all these things.

00:30:14.200 I was worried about that.

00:30:15.200 So was I, if I'm honest.

00:30:16.200 But I had all these things I was weighing up.

00:30:18.200 So at that moment in January, first week in January, I thought, fuck, yes.

00:30:22.200 Like the whole world's talking about the torture and rape of British children, which has happened in every single town and city across our country.

00:30:30.200 The whole world's talking about it.

00:30:32.200 That's something we've been batting.

00:30:33.200 I started my activism 16 years ago.

00:30:35.200 And since the moment I started, I faced relentless attack and persecution from the state to imprison, lock up, defame, slander, destroy, to make me toxic, to make me toxic, to essentially destroy me.

00:30:47.200 And they would have had the last word.

00:30:49.200 And I mean, we're talking a lot about Elon Musk, but were it not for X or Twitter, as it used to be called, you would not have a chance to rebut, to rejoin, to-

00:30:58.200 Not just I would.

00:30:59.200 So many people would be deplatformed.

00:31:01.200 Everyone who was gone.

00:31:02.200 Everyone who was deplatformed.

00:31:03.200 And do you know what?

00:31:04.200 Elon Musk comes back and he believes in free speech.

00:31:06.200 So he buys a platform for free speech.

00:31:08.200 Our opposition, who hate us, they're all still on there.

00:31:11.200 He hasn't censored them.

00:31:12.200 It's great.

00:31:13.200 That's the way it should be.

00:31:14.200 But previous to that, everyone who challenged the globalist narrative or the globalist agenda, everyone, whether that be vaccines, whether it be transgenderism, whether it be any of these issues, they were blacklisted and they were deleted and they were cancelled.

00:31:25.200 They were demonetized and they were got rid of.

00:31:27.200 Yeah.

00:31:28.200 And that was unpersoned.

00:31:29.200 Unpersoned across all social platforms.

00:31:31.200 Unpersoned across all social platforms.

00:31:32.200 And it's not just that it silenced you.

00:31:34.200 There's something about a powerful, wealthy industrialist, the most famous man, our Thomas Edison, bringing you back to life politically that defeats the alienation and the marginalization.

00:31:52.200 Like there's a social pain that comes with being pushed into silence.

00:31:57.200 But when the biggest guy around says, no, he's okay.

00:32:00.200 It's sort of a signal to the other mean girls that they can't bully. 1.00

00:32:04.200 But look what they've done to him now.

00:32:05.200 I sat there worrying about him, if I'm honest.

00:32:07.200 I was sitting there worrying about him.

00:32:08.200 Yeah.

00:32:09.200 I was sitting there thinking, geez, they're coming to him.

00:32:11.200 Wow.

00:32:12.200 I was sitting there thinking about them in the United States and the stance he's taken.

00:32:15.200 And it's the same with Donald Trump.

00:32:16.200 And Donald Trump stood first of the presidency.

00:32:18.200 I thought, here's a billionaire.

00:32:19.200 He's loved by everyone.

00:32:21.200 And he steps into this arena and becomes, at the time, one of the most hated men in the world.

00:32:26.200 Yeah.

00:32:27.200 In the first presidency.

00:32:28.200 And I thought, he didn't have to do that.

00:32:30.200 So then look at Elon Musk.

00:32:31.200 He didn't have to do this.

00:32:33.200 He's the richest man in the world.

00:32:34.200 He didn't have to step into this.

00:32:36.200 Would you benefit from stepping into this debate?

00:32:38.200 They come at you.

00:32:39.200 So his belief in free speech, the only place in the world that has free speech is the United

00:32:44.200 States of America.

00:32:45.200 And that's it.

00:32:46.200 And that's it.

00:32:47.200 The rest of...

00:32:48.200 Everywhere else is an embarrassment to free speech.

00:32:50.200 So the other person...

00:32:51.200 So I thank Elon Musk for raising the profile.

00:32:54.200 I really thank him for his belief in free speech.

00:32:56.200 I think in history, he'll be remembered not for sending things up to space or Mars.

00:33:00.200 I think it will be for free speech.

00:33:01.200 Because if we lose free speech, we lose everything.

00:33:03.200 We live under tyranny already.

00:33:05.200 But there's a little chance of fighting back against it.

00:33:07.200 And that's only through platforms like X.

00:33:08.200 I have a massive thank you to give to Jordan Peterson.

00:33:10.200 Jordan Peterson.

00:33:11.200 And not for one minute do I think every person you sit down with agrees with you on everything.

00:33:15.200 I'm sure if Jordan sat down, there'd be things he'd disagree with me on.

00:33:18.200 But for him to sit, and at that moment, when I come to Canada, to hear my story.

00:33:24.200 Do you know how many emails I received in prison?

00:33:27.200 And how many letters I received from people who didn't like me, but listened to my story on Jordan Peterson.

00:33:32.200 Because what Jordan Peterson has done, as such an intellect, is he brings a different demographic that we're usually ignoring you or believe in the media.

00:33:40.200 Different circuit, different class, different country.

00:33:42.200 And do you know how many of them watched my interview and then say, I then found Panadrama.

00:33:47.200 I then found The Rape of Britain.

00:33:48.200 I then found-

00:33:49.200 It was a gateway interview.

00:33:50.200 It's a gateway interview, as was Silence, the documentary, into our other content and work.

00:33:55.200 And I'm not just saying-

00:33:56.200 That's why they want to censor because, you know-

00:33:59.200 It opens the doors.

00:34:00.200 People start seeing-

00:34:01.200 If the algorithm isn't suppressed, like I remember before they silenced you the first time, you had more online engagement than the prime minister, the leader of the opposition.

00:34:10.200 All three of their parties added up.

00:34:11.200 That's why they meddled with the algorithm.

00:34:14.200 And that's why they deleted me off Facebook.

00:34:15.200 They deleted me off Facebook over my Panadrama documentary.

00:34:18.200 Again, it was a documentary.

00:34:19.200 They deleted me off everything.

00:34:20.200 YouTube.

00:34:21.200 But I think that they had such a monopoly, but they still think they've got that monopoly.

00:34:25.200 Because I watched the news articles when I went to prison.

00:34:28.200 And I listened to it all going on.

00:34:30.200 When they're saying I'm lying.

00:34:31.200 And I'm thinking, you're digging your own grave.

00:34:34.200 Because millions have seen that film.

00:34:37.200 And that means they now know you're lying.

00:34:39.200 Yeah.

00:34:40.200 You're not being honest.

00:34:41.200 It's such an astonishingly large number.

00:34:43.200 And do you know what, Ezra?

00:34:44.200 There's not one single British journalist.

00:34:46.200 Not one.

00:34:47.200 And I wish they would have been outside prison today.

00:34:49.200 So I know they're taking pictures, but I'd like to ask a journalist, a British journalist.

00:34:53.200 Why have none of you spoke about the content of the film?

00:34:56.200 OK.

00:34:57.200 So none of you.

00:34:58.200 So it's the most watched documentary in history.

00:35:00.200 I think Piers Morgan mentioned it.

00:35:01.200 I think he said he watched it.

00:35:02.200 Did he?

00:35:03.200 Well, he should do.

00:35:04.200 Because he was one of the liars and frauds that started it.

00:35:06.200 Wasn't he?

00:35:07.200 He destroyed a young child's life based on wanting to jump on the bandwagon of being woke.

00:35:11.200 And jump on the bandwagon of racist English boy, which wasn't the story.

00:35:15.200 I think Piers, I heard from someone, had accepted that Bailey was innocent in the film.

00:35:20.200 Piers obviously has his issue with me.

00:35:22.200 I'd respect anyone who accepts they were wrong.

00:35:24.200 When you watch that film, Piers was wrong.

00:35:26.200 Piers' reporting was wrong.

00:35:28.200 It destroyed a young child's life.

00:35:30.200 And he should hold his hands up.

00:35:31.200 That's what I think he should do.

00:35:33.200 Not to do with me.

00:35:34.200 He can hate me if he wants to hate me.

00:35:35.200 But we're talking about a 15-year-old child Bailey was.

00:35:37.200 Do you know how Bailey come visit me last week?

00:35:38.200 I got an email.

00:35:39.200 I'd love to read it.

00:35:40.200 I got an email from the girl.

00:35:42.200 There was one of the children witnesses.

00:35:44.200 She got 11 A stars.

00:35:46.200 She was a grade A student.

00:35:49.200 She was studying law when she come and testified at court.

00:35:51.200 Obviously, the judge found that everyone lied, including her.

00:35:53.200 I don't know why a grade A student studying law would make something up before my involvement.

00:35:57.200 But that's what the judge found.

00:35:59.200 She sent me an email saying how...

00:36:02.200 Because she'd watched a podcast from me where I said,

00:36:05.200 I probably shouldn't allow them to give evidence because I know what the system's like.

00:36:09.200 I don't believe there's any justice in there.

00:36:12.200 And when you're before a judge, not a jury.

00:36:14.200 So I know what it's like.

00:36:15.200 And I knew they were going to rule against me.

00:36:17.200 And I believe that girl dropped out of her law course. 1.00

00:36:20.200 But she sent me a lovely email saying,

00:36:22.200 Stephen, she's feeling guilty.

00:36:24.200 Because when I first knocked on her door and she told me the truth,

00:36:28.200 that I said I wasn't going to back down and I was going to fight it.

00:36:31.200 And now she felt guilty that I'm sat in prison.

00:36:34.200 But she said...

00:36:35.200 She listened to a podcast where I said I shouldn't have let her testify.

00:36:38.200 And she said, I'm proud that I've testified.

00:36:40.200 And if I could go back again, I'd do exactly the same against Stephen.

00:36:44.200 Well, I hope that you have an opportunity to have a good argument with Piers Morgan.

00:36:49.200 Because I know that he has said some things about you that I would call untrue and unfair.

00:36:55.200 But they are untrue, isn't it?

00:36:57.200 But I think of all the British journalists in mainstream, I think he does abide a rollicking debate.

00:37:05.200 And it's my hope that you appear on his show and just have at it.

00:37:08.200 The two of you.

00:37:09.200 Might have to tell him to unblock me first.

00:37:10.200 Yeah.

00:37:11.200 Anyway, that's just my own...

00:37:12.200 Shit house.

00:37:13.200 It's going to be an amazing debate.

00:37:16.200 And I think you would more than hold your own.

00:37:18.200 I think you have a command of the facts.

00:37:19.200 Yeah, Ezra, I have truth on my side.

00:37:21.200 So I'm not sitting there debating anything other than the truth.

00:37:23.200 Yeah.

00:37:24.200 I've seen you debate.

00:37:25.200 I've seen you.

00:37:26.200 I remember when you were on Good Morning Britain.

00:37:28.200 I wanted to ask you, are there any people in mainstream media who are fair?

00:37:34.200 I'm not even going to say sympathetic, but they're fair.

00:37:37.200 And are they allowed to write about you?

00:37:39.200 Because sometimes it's not just the reporter, it's their editor or publisher who says,

00:37:44.200 we're not siding with the far-right, alt-right Tommy Robinson.

00:37:48.200 Yeah.

00:37:49.200 I don't think that those mainstream reporters matter anymore.

00:37:53.200 I think they don't realize that.

00:37:54.200 It's like the mainstream media are walking around.

00:37:56.200 If I could give the analogy that they're like someone with a terminal illness walking around.

00:38:00.200 They're dying.

00:38:01.200 Yeah.

00:38:02.200 And it must hurt them that they're the old God and we're the new God.

00:38:05.200 Yeah.

00:38:06.200 And people don't turn to them for their news.

00:38:07.200 They don't get 167 million views on their reports.

00:38:10.200 They don't get however many views we're going to get on this, Ezra.

00:38:13.200 Yeah.

00:38:14.200 I want to ask you a question that is the scariest question of all for me.

00:38:18.200 I love the law.

00:38:19.200 I went to law school.

00:38:20.200 I practiced briefly as a lawyer.

00:38:22.200 The fountain of our law even in Canada is the United Kingdom.

00:38:26.200 This is where it started.

00:38:28.200 The Magna Carta.

00:38:30.200 We look up to the UK.

00:38:32.200 But I am reluctantly and against my wishes coming to the view that you cannot get a fair trial in this country.

00:38:42.200 That between the police, the prosecutors, the courts, that it's what Stalin's secret policeman Lavrenti Beria once said.

00:38:52.200 Show me the man.

00:38:53.200 I'll find you the crime.

00:38:54.200 I'll find you the crime.

00:38:55.200 As in they're going to find something about you.

00:38:57.200 The day after a judge said you could leave prison.

00:39:00.200 They come in again.

00:39:01.200 They filed two bogus charges against you for taking pictures of paparazzi.

00:39:06.200 There's another charge against you for not giving your password on your cell phone to police without a warrant.

00:39:12.200 I think that you have become an enemy of the state.

00:39:17.200 And I hate to say this because I love the United Kingdom and I love the law.

00:39:22.200 But I do not feel that Tommy Robinson can get justice in this legal political establishment.

00:39:29.200 What do you say to that?

00:39:31.200 I know I can't.

00:39:32.200 So I don't even think it.

00:39:34.200 But what I also know at the same time, which is that the more they try and suppress an attack, now people can see it.

00:39:41.200 So they're just, again, it's damaging them.

00:39:43.200 It's damaging them and at the same time helping to awaken people.

00:39:46.200 Lots of bad things are going to happen.

00:39:47.200 Do you know?

00:39:48.200 So the High Court that ruled against me on this case is the same High Court that ruled against Johnny Depp.

00:39:53.200 So remember, Johnny Depp was convicted.

00:39:55.200 He was found guilty in our court, in the High Court in London.

00:39:57.200 He had to go to America to prove his case.

00:40:00.200 And what come out when he got cleared in America was that there's the same evidence in the UK court.

00:40:04.200 And they ruled against all the evidence because the UK court was ruling on the time, at the time, the Me Too movement.

00:40:11.200 It was politicized.

00:40:12.200 So he didn't get a jury in the UK court.

00:40:14.200 He got ruled against by a judge, ruled against police officers evidence, ruled against all the evidence.

00:40:18.200 Johnny Depp, if he didn't go to an American court, would still be hated as an abuser of his wife.

00:40:24.200 Yeah, his name was cleared.

00:40:26.200 He had to use the American court system.

00:40:28.200 I used X.

00:40:29.200 Cheers, Elon.

00:40:30.200 And in the Court of Public Opinion.

00:40:31.200 Yeah.

00:40:32.200 So in these courts, it's pretty certain now people can see there is no justice system.

00:40:42.200 There's a legal system, and it puts a target on people it doesn't like.

00:40:46.200 And then it uses any way it can to break them.

00:40:48.200 And I've never seen lawyers charge more than in the UK.

00:40:50.200 It's astonishing.

00:40:51.200 I feel sick thinking about what they took, even from when I went guilty, because I'd already paid them for the trial when it was two days.

00:40:59.200 So it's the same money.

00:41:00.200 But I feel sick at the cost of all of it, when I think about all of it.

00:41:05.200 And I think that...

00:41:06.200 There's no access to justice for...

00:41:07.200 I mean, the crowdfunding has come to your aid.

00:41:09.200 But no normal person...

00:41:11.200 Do you know what I'm grateful for?

00:41:12.200 The crowdfunding, I'm grateful for the help in America.

00:41:15.200 Because as long as you're still in the fight, and I looked at it, you only lose when you stop fighting.

00:41:23.200 And we've carried on fighting.

00:41:24.200 And we will carry on fighting.

00:41:25.200 Not everyone would endure seven months in prison though.

00:41:29.200 I mean, that is a unique thing.

00:41:31.200 It was a long day at work as well.

00:41:33.200 Because that's how I viewed it.

00:41:35.200 I viewed it at the time as like, I'm in a position now.

00:41:38.200 It's not a position I don't think I've chose.

00:41:40.200 I've ended up in this position, where through me, it's exposing so much.

00:41:45.200 And if they want to attack me and continue to expose it.

00:41:47.200 And then when I got into prison, I thought, right, I'm now in the maximum security facility.

00:41:53.200 I'm getting to see the facilities the jihadists have. 0.92

00:41:56.200 I've got a million stories.

00:41:57.200 I interviewed all day and I thought, I'll make the most of this.

00:42:00.200 So any member of staff.

00:42:01.200 Remember, I didn't have the same members of staff.

00:42:03.200 So I literally probably saw every member of staff because they were all on overtime.

00:42:06.200 So to walk me from A to B, I'd have two different staff every time.

00:42:09.200 I'd have two different staff every time I opened the door.

00:42:11.200 And then they'd just walk me out.

00:42:12.200 I walked to meet you that one time I was let in.

00:42:16.200 It was a very long labyrinth through.

00:42:19.200 Let me confirm.

00:42:21.200 You never put eyes on another prisoner.

00:42:23.200 They never put eyes on you?

00:42:24.200 One prisoner, which was when.

00:42:27.200 So they didn't take me over to the exercise yard.

00:42:29.200 So they put over to the high security unit.

00:42:31.200 So they put me out in the yard.

00:42:33.200 And at that time, there was a prisoner.

00:42:35.200 Mad story called Joe Outlaw.

00:42:37.200 And when I got to the contingency suite in Belmarsh, which is a maximum security unit,

00:42:42.200 I'd spent three months there before.

00:42:43.200 Do you remember when you come in there?

00:42:44.200 Yeah.

00:42:45.200 And that has a little courtyard garden.

00:42:47.200 And this time on this sentence, I went out on the courtyard garden.

00:42:50.200 There was paper mache and it was covered the whole place.

00:42:54.200 And I looked and thought, how has anyone done that?

00:42:58.200 And I said to the officer, what's happened here?

00:43:00.200 He goes, we had some prisoner called Outlaw.

00:43:03.200 He said, have you heard of him?

00:43:04.200 I said, no, never.

00:43:05.200 He goes, most expensive prisoner there's ever been.

00:43:07.200 He said, £2 million he's cost in damage.

00:43:10.200 I said, £2 million, what for?

00:43:11.200 He goes, he just smashes everything.

00:43:13.200 Yeah.

00:43:14.200 But he's a climber.

00:43:15.200 I said, okay.

00:43:16.200 He goes, he can climb anything.

00:43:19.200 And this officer was like, I said, what was he like?

00:43:22.200 He goes, really nice, lad.

00:43:23.200 I said, okay.

00:43:24.200 I goes, what's he in for?

00:43:25.200 He goes, he's IPP.

00:43:26.200 So this is where people-

00:43:27.200 Who does that stay for?

00:43:28.200 IPP where they give these sentences, they give about 6,000 out,

00:43:32.200 where say someone they believe is a risk, they'll give them two years,

00:43:36.200 but IPP, intermediate protection.

00:43:39.200 So to say the public need protection from him.

00:43:41.200 So they might give you two years.

00:43:42.200 But you stay in until whenever?

00:43:43.200 Until they decide.

00:43:44.200 Yeah.

00:43:45.200 And if you've had a little misbehaving, then you stay in.

00:43:48.200 So some people have got two years and they're in 15 years later.

00:43:50.200 Wow.

00:43:51.200 Now Joe Outlaw, I think, got four years and he's still in 16 years later.

00:43:53.200 Oh my God.

00:43:54.200 But I want to look into this IPP now I'm out.

00:43:56.200 But he then has, and I said to him, he goes, he smashed the window out of the cell

00:44:01.200 and he made a catapult and he covered every window.

00:44:04.200 And I'm looking thinking, that's some pretty good going.

00:44:06.200 And then when I get put on this, when I'm on segregation,

00:44:09.200 someone was put underneath me.

00:44:11.200 There was never anyone there.

00:44:12.200 Then someone was underneath me because I could hear.

00:44:14.200 And then they put me out in the yard.

00:44:15.200 So as I'm out in the yard, I heard, Tommy.

00:44:17.200 I've walked over and I can see through the gap in the window.

00:44:21.200 And he said, Tommy, he goes, my name's Joe Outlaw.

00:44:24.200 He goes, I'm an activist like you.

00:44:26.200 I said, Joe Outlaw.

00:44:28.200 I said, you was on the contingency suite in Belmarsh.

00:44:31.200 He goes, yeah.

00:44:32.200 I said, yeah, I've just come from there.

00:44:34.200 You smashed everything up.

00:44:35.200 And he goes, yeah, yeah.

00:44:36.200 And he goes, I've done six prison roofs.

00:44:39.200 Oh, my God.

00:44:40.200 And I said, what do you mean?

00:44:41.200 And he starts getting up clippings.

00:44:42.200 Show me the window.

00:44:43.200 Oh, my God.

00:44:44.200 And he's climbed on the roof.

00:44:45.200 He said, do you know how many people are dying, Tommy?

00:44:48.200 How many prisoners are killing themselves?

00:44:50.200 He's, I have the utmost respect for someone who sacrificed himself, which is what he's told

00:44:55.200 me.

00:44:56.200 He said, he told me about his upbringing.

00:44:58.200 He sacrificed his own position to fight the system, to bring to the attention of the

00:45:02.200 country IPP.

00:45:03.200 So he's got on the roof of Dale's.

00:45:04.200 He smashed entire things down and he's wrote IPP on the roofs and then he's sunbathing

00:45:09.200 and there's pictures of him.

00:45:10.200 He's doing all this.

00:45:11.200 Do you know how long he spent in segregation?

00:45:12.200 Because they're destroying him.

00:45:13.200 They're breaking him.

00:45:14.200 Yeah.

00:45:15.200 So he, he was down there and he's only been put there.

00:45:17.200 He spent nine months on the contingency suite.

00:45:20.200 So he had gone 18 months and they're 18 months and he probably will never see the

00:45:25.200 light of day again.

00:45:26.200 And that's to break him.

00:45:28.200 Yeah.

00:45:29.200 I spoke to him, Joe Outlaw.

00:45:30.200 So free Joe Outlaw.

00:45:31.200 Look up Joe Outlaw's story.

00:45:32.200 Wow.

00:45:33.200 That's the only person I spoke to.

00:45:34.200 I spoke to him for one hour.

00:45:35.200 And then once I realized I spoke to him at the window, I never got out again.

00:45:38.200 Oh.

00:45:39.200 And then they moved him.

00:45:40.200 Yeah.

00:45:41.200 Wow.

00:45:42.200 Well, I mean, I bet for both of you, it was the first human interaction.

00:45:44.200 It was the first person I'd seen, yeah.

00:45:45.200 Yeah.

00:45:46.200 First person I'd seen to speak to.

00:45:47.200 And I said, it may sound, cause they said, but yeah, it's just, you know, I don't

00:45:50.200 know.

00:45:51.200 I spent, I had the three hours out, but I was on my own.

00:45:53.200 Yeah.

00:45:54.200 And then 21 hours just on my, on my little blue map bed thing.

00:45:57.200 Wow.

00:45:58.200 You know, you're being very generous with your time.

00:46:00.200 I know you want to get home and it's almost noon and you've got other things to do on

00:46:05.200 your first day.

00:46:06.200 I just want to ask you about two more things and then I'll be done.

00:46:10.200 One of the things that's accelerated when you were away is other prosecutions for people

00:46:19.200 saying hurt words like Lucy Connelly, the spouse of a conservative party counselor made

00:46:25.200 a tweet after the Southport stabbings.

00:46:28.200 And it was intemperate.

00:46:29.200 It was a little rough.

00:46:30.200 She took it down within hours, but she was sentenced to 31 months in prison.

00:46:34.200 And that was upheld in court.

00:46:37.200 Did you follow that in prison?

00:46:38.200 Do you have thoughts on that?

00:46:39.200 I have.

00:46:40.200 I followed it.

00:46:41.200 I followed it.

00:46:42.200 Lucy, Lucy Connelly is not a criminal in my eyes, in the whole country's eyes, I reckon.

00:46:47.200 She's a mother.

00:46:48.200 She was angry, as were many in this country.

00:46:51.200 Angry and betrayed.

00:46:52.200 As migrants coming off boats, £15 billion is being spent.

00:46:56.200 Working class families can't feed their families, old-page pensions can't heat their homes. 1.00

00:47:01.200 And hotels are being flooded and filled with migrant men, many of whom sexual offenders, 1.00

00:47:05.200 gone on to rape, gone on to commit terrorism.

00:47:07.200 So when that attack happens, I wasn't aware at the time, but Lucy Connelly lost her own child, I believe.

00:47:11.200 So she's lost her own child, and it triggered things for her.

00:47:14.200 And everyone, what social media is, it's like shouting.

00:47:17.200 And then she shouted. 1.00

00:47:18.200 Yeah?

00:47:19.200 And then she realized it was wrong.

00:47:20.200 And she deleted it.

00:47:21.200 Now, even if the state and the government, because it was all political,

00:47:25.200 because they got the courts within 48 hours to imprison all these people.

00:47:28.200 Yeah, I've never seen that before.

00:47:29.200 That's never happened, man.

00:47:30.200 I've never seen that for actual crimes.

00:47:32.200 For actual criminals.

00:47:33.200 So everyone under her words and said a few words on Facebook or social media were locked up in prison.

00:47:37.200 Now, if they say that was justified, well, so far she's done a year.

00:47:43.200 She's got a 12-year-old daughter.

00:47:45.200 Send that woman home. 1.00

00:47:46.200 Do you know if I had the option, because I got out four months earlier, I'd have done my four months.

00:47:50.200 I'd have done my four months.

00:47:51.200 And let her go.

00:47:52.200 Who?

00:47:53.200 Let that mother go. 1.00

00:47:54.200 And the thing is, the state decided to look up English and British mothers, fathers, grandfathers.

00:48:00.200 Peter Lynch was murdered by the state.

00:48:02.200 Right.

00:48:03.200 He was a granddad.

00:48:04.200 They weren't criminals.

00:48:05.200 These people were just...

00:48:06.200 And their anger was justified.

00:48:08.200 Yeah.

00:48:09.200 They're so angry.

00:48:10.200 And the country is so fed up.

00:48:12.200 And they were lied to.

00:48:13.200 They were lied to about the nature of the stabbings.

00:48:16.200 They were lied to.

00:48:17.200 They were lied to.

00:48:18.200 And the government, I believe it's come out since I was in here.

00:48:21.200 Remember Kiyosama stood on the news everywhere saying it was the far right.

00:48:23.200 And it was the far right.

00:48:24.200 And it was the far right.

00:48:25.200 And it's come out now that there was no far right.

00:48:27.200 It was angry people in every town and city, because the whole country is angry, of the

00:48:32.200 government's failures.

00:48:33.200 And rather than address the reasons why people are angry, they just blamed it on far right

00:48:36.200 ideology, locked everyone up.

00:48:37.200 But my thing is, you see locking up Lucy Connery. 0.99

00:48:40.200 You see locking me up.

00:48:42.200 Locking Peter Lynch up.

00:48:43.200 Doing it so high profile, doing it so public, and not backing down recently.

00:48:47.200 That's to scare you.

00:48:48.200 That's to scare the public.

00:48:50.200 You're supposed to be scared in silence.

00:48:52.200 You're supposed to be too scared to say anything on social media, too scared to attend demonstrations

00:48:56.200 because they were locking up people for peacefully protesting.

00:48:58.200 And I think the only response to that, which is why I took satisfaction with my film.

00:49:02.200 And if you want to do a service to the people who are being silenced and being imprisoned,

00:49:07.200 then a show of defiance on the 13th of September, we're going to hold the biggest celebration

00:49:12.200 of free speech, a festival of freedom happening in central London with guest speakers.

00:49:17.200 That's where you're coming.

00:49:18.200 I'd love to.

00:49:19.200 From Canada.

00:49:20.200 It's going to be, we've got speakers agreed from Canada.

00:49:22.200 September 13th.

00:49:23.200 September 13th.

00:49:24.200 Some high profile MAGA representatives coming from America.

00:49:26.200 We've got Polish politicians, Danish politicians.

00:49:29.200 We've got people coming from everywhere.

00:49:32.200 German, AFD politicians.

00:49:34.200 In a show of defiance that they want to take our free speech with this film.

00:49:39.200 If you want to gag me and take my free speech, the world's going to know about it.

00:49:43.200 Let everyone in Britain, if you're fed up of the suppression of speech, if you're fed up of the attack,

00:49:48.200 the war being waged upon our country and our people, the flooding of our nation, 0.84

00:49:54.200 the fact you can't get a dentist appointment, yet migrants are straight to the front of the queue, 0.97

00:49:58.200 the fact they're just flooding this country and old age pensioners can't heat their houses. 1.00

00:50:03.200 Yet, as I said, 15 billion is being spent on these hotels.

00:50:06.200 All of these things.

00:50:07.200 Keir Starmer's got in, going to stop it.

00:50:08.200 He's not going to stop it.

00:50:09.200 It's against his ideology.

00:50:11.200 He wants it.

00:50:12.200 They're not going to oppose it.

00:50:13.200 So it's all bullshit.

00:50:14.200 But I think that people, rather than coming out in anger, we've showed with the United Kingdom,

00:50:18.200 which I think terrified the establishment.

00:50:21.200 They want us to be this rabble rousing group. 0.99

00:50:23.200 They want us to be a group of thugs.

00:50:25.200 We're not.

00:50:26.200 They don't define who we are.

00:50:27.200 We do.

00:50:28.200 In our last three organised demonstrations, we had a festival, atmosphere, music.

00:50:33.200 We united this country like no one's seen.

00:50:35.200 We're not just going to unite the country on the 13th of September.

00:50:37.200 We're going to unite the world.

00:50:38.200 People are coming from everywhere.

00:50:39.200 It's going to be unite the kingdom slash MAGA slash MEGA.

00:50:42.200 I'm excited about it.

00:50:44.200 And for me, we need to start where we left off.

00:50:47.200 Prison hasn't derailed our movement.

00:50:49.200 We were building a cultural movement.

00:50:50.200 In fact, it hasn't just derailed it.

00:50:52.200 It's accelerated it.

00:50:53.200 And you're going to see that on the 13th of September.

00:50:55.200 I'm excited about a lot of the work I can do.

00:50:58.200 I'm excited that my team at Urban Scoop are still there.

00:51:00.200 And you know why I'm excited?

00:51:02.200 Because during this imprisonment, people, journalists, commentators,

00:51:07.200 who would never have spoke up, are now speaking up.

00:51:12.200 There's been a mass shift.

00:51:14.200 And I've seen that shift myself.

00:51:16.200 And certainly the Labour Party and the Conservative Party saw that shift

00:51:19.200 in the votes for reform.

00:51:20.200 But I've physically seen that shift on the street by the reaction I receive

00:51:24.200 and the people talking about things and the people watching things.

00:51:26.200 So the mood of the country and the mood of the nation has changed.

00:51:29.200 And that's given confidence.

00:51:30.200 And the Overton window has continually shifted.

00:51:33.200 Thank you to the United States of America.

00:51:35.200 Thank you to Donald Trump.

00:51:36.200 Thank you to J.D. Vance.

00:51:37.200 And thank you to Elon Musk.

00:51:38.200 Because single-handedly, the ripple effect coming out,

00:51:40.200 I think many of us in the UK, I know certainly me when I sat in my cells,

00:51:43.200 were so excited for America, but also so disheartened.

00:51:47.200 We haven't got any leadership by that.

00:51:49.200 And then J.D. Vance in Munich talking about free speech.

00:51:52.200 And we are under attack by our leaders who care nothing for our freedoms.

00:51:57.200 And if we lose our free speech, we lose everything.

00:51:59.200 So yeah, I'm excited.

00:52:01.200 I'm also worried because I know they're coming at me from every angle.

00:52:06.200 But I'm also very grateful to the people who spoke up on my behalf,

00:52:12.200 to the people who saw the truth and saw what was right compared to what was wrong,

00:52:17.200 and spoke up.

00:52:18.200 And there was quite a lot of people there.

00:52:19.200 Piers Morgan, for example.

00:52:21.200 I think people made comments who disagree with me and don't like me.

00:52:24.200 I think there was quite a lot of people that spoke up.

00:52:26.200 And I appreciate it.

00:52:28.200 I appreciate it.

00:52:29.200 I appreciate every second of it.

00:52:30.200 And I had some, whilst I had some low moments,

00:52:32.200 and I struggled at times now, I did struggle.

00:52:34.200 But I had some great moments as well.

00:52:36.200 And it's not, it's an experience.

00:52:38.200 And as I said, I don't think there's probably anyone better placed in this country right now

00:52:42.200 that's going to be able to speak about what's happening within our prison system.

00:52:44.200 The officers have no voice.

00:52:46.200 Do you know, I'd like to thank the staff at HMP Woodhill.

00:52:50.200 That's an interesting thing to hear.

00:52:52.200 Yeah, I'd like to thank the staff.

00:52:54.200 There's this view given of prison officers.

00:52:56.200 What people don't realise is they're just, they're ordinary people.

00:52:58.200 Think of it.

00:52:59.200 Woodhill houses the worst, most violent offenders in our country.

00:53:02.200 Many of them are psychopaths.

00:53:04.200 Yeah, some of the crimes they've committed on these maximum security units.

00:53:07.200 Do you know who's got to walk them from A to B from their cell?

00:53:10.200 Someone's mum.

00:53:11.200 Someone's dad.

00:53:12.200 Just an ordinary person.

00:53:13.200 I sit there and think, we're not talking six train killers.

00:53:15.200 So this man is a train killer.

00:53:17.200 Yeah.

00:53:18.200 And he's got to walk from there.

00:53:19.200 And the people who have got to deal with him every day and bring him his food

00:53:21.200 and get him out for a shower.

00:53:22.200 They're just normal bods.

00:53:24.200 They're just normal bods.

00:53:25.200 Do you know, like the officer, one officer even just yesterday,

00:53:28.200 said he's been attacked every month for six months.

00:53:31.200 So they've put themselves, I never thought of it.

00:53:33.200 I never thought of it until I sat and listened so much.

00:53:35.200 And I've never seen a prison like Woodhill with the amount of violence.

00:53:38.200 Constantly the bells, the alarm bells, because you hear them on the radio.

00:53:41.200 It's going off.

00:53:42.200 Violence every day.

00:53:43.200 Stabbings every day.

00:53:45.200 It's insane what's going on there.

00:53:46.200 That's Nicola Marfleet's legacy. 0.81

00:53:48.200 Legacy.

00:53:49.200 She's left now.

00:53:50.200 She's left.

00:53:51.200 And do you know what?

00:53:52.200 Do you know I ask the staff, I always do, what they think of the governor.

00:53:55.200 So I asked this in every prison, about everything.

00:53:58.200 I asked what Julian Assange was like when I meet the staff.

00:54:00.200 So I asked the staff what Charles Monson was like,

00:54:02.200 who's a famous British prisoner.

00:54:03.200 They all liked him.

00:54:04.200 Yeah.

00:54:05.200 I asked all the staff about Nicola Marfleet.

00:54:07.200 She, you know, like they say, a manager loses the changing room. 1.00

00:54:11.200 Yeah.

00:54:12.200 A football manager, if they lose the changing room, they've lost,

00:54:14.200 because the players won't play for them.

00:54:16.200 Well, she'd lost the staff.

00:54:17.200 But then there's a new governor there now.

00:54:20.200 And I obviously ask a lot of the staff about him,

00:54:22.200 and everyone spoke very highly of him, which is a massive difference.

00:54:26.200 Yeah.

00:54:27.200 A massive difference.

00:54:28.200 But yeah, I think, yeah, I think I just, yeah,

00:54:33.200 I'm grateful more than anyone to my family as well,

00:54:36.200 who have put up with some madness.

00:54:38.200 Tommy, I've taken up more time of yours than I thought I would.

00:54:41.200 Today's a big day for you to reconnect with the family.

00:54:43.200 Thanks for taking an hour to talk to our viewers.

00:54:46.200 And a lot of people around the world love you.

00:54:48.200 No, Ezra, I said it earlier, everyone needs an Ezra Levant.

00:54:52.200 Ezra has maintained contact with my family the whole time.

00:54:54.200 Do you know they blocked any contact with me and Ezra?

00:54:56.200 And I believe that if I'd have had personal contact with him,

00:54:58.200 I'd have got out way earlier.

00:55:00.200 Yeah.

00:55:01.200 But it was blocked.

00:55:02.200 Ezra's had my back, supported my family.

00:55:04.200 I'm very grateful to you and everyone who watched you and supported you in that.

00:55:08.200 So if you're one of the people, I'm grateful.

00:55:09.200 And do you know everyone who just wrote me a letter?

00:55:11.200 Do you know?

00:55:12.200 Because I felt bad because I couldn't reply.

00:55:13.200 And even on the emails.

00:55:14.200 I couldn't reply and I had some heartbreaking emails and some beautiful emails.

00:55:18.200 But they're just messing with all my replies.

00:55:20.200 So I'm very grateful.

00:55:22.200 If you took the time to write to me, know that I read your letter.

00:55:25.200 I've got them all.

00:55:26.200 I've got a garage full.

00:55:27.200 I had some beautiful moments in there.

00:55:29.200 Thanks, my friend.

00:55:30.200 Cheers.

00:55:31.200 Go enjoy your family.

00:55:32.200 Thank you very much, man.

00:55:33.200 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - May 28, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ FREE AT LAST! Tommy Robinson sits down for exclusive interview

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