EZRA LEVANT | From UK cell to U.S. Capitol: Tommy Robinson hits Congress
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A year ago, Tommy Robinson was released from a UK prison after serving 10 years in prison for a terrorism charge. Now, he s arrived in the United States and is fighting for his freedom in Congress. Rebel News' Ezra Levenson gives his thoughts on the latest development, and talks to Tracy Wilson of the Firearms Coalition about the crazy, it s just so silly, how the government is trying to ban scary looking guns.
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Hello, my friends. I saw Tommy Robinson yesterday. He's arrived in America. Let me give you my
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thoughts on the very interesting turn of events in his life, plus an interview with the lad.
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We'll also talk to Tracy Wilson of the Firearms Coalition about the crazy, it's just so silly,
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how the government is trying to ban scary-looking guns. That's pretty much how they define them.
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I'll take you through that. But first, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News
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Tonight, Tommy Robinson is out of a UK prison and into the US Congress. It's February 24th,
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You know, we fought alongside Tommy Robinson for many years, about a decade now, if you
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can believe it. And a year ago, he was in solitary confinement. It was terrible. I visited
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him in prison the one time before the prison warden stopped allowing me and various other
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visitors in to see him. And I could see it was starting to wreak havoc on his mental state.
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You know, it's a form of torture. It's a psychological torture. He wasn't physically being tortured,
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but being separated from other people for 23 and a half hours a day. And then sometimes when he had
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family visits, having them canceled at the last minute by the prison warden, absolutely abusive
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behavior. And outrageous claims against Tommy being made by the media. They didn't feel any
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solidarity with him for freedom of speech or for standing up to the government. They are regime
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journalists even worse than in Canada. I know that from 10 years of traveling there. There were,
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while he was in prison, by the way, there were other legal cases proceeding against him. You might
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remember he was arrested and charged under the Terrorism Act, not for doing any terrorism,
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but for refusing to give the police the pin code, the password to his cell phone, because he said he
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had some very confidential and sensitive material on there when he interviewed various victims of
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British rape gangs. So he said, there's no way he was going to give that information to police
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because in the past, the police had given that info to the rapists. And you know, sorry to go down
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that rabbit hole a bit, but that was Tommy's reasoning. This was all pending against him. And we had to
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pay his legal bills for crowdfunding, which is tough to do. But what a difference a year makes. Now he's
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not in solitary confinement. He's out of prison. And if I'm not mistaken, the prison governor who was so
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abusive, she's moved on. The Terrorism Act, it went to trial. And Tommy wasn't just acquitted. He was
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acquitted smashingly. And the judge went on a tear against how the police were abusive and political and how they
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only arrested Tommy because they didn't like, or they knew his politics. Very interesting. And an
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enormous, uh, um, innovation is that Elon Musk took over the financing of Tommy Robinson's legal
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cases. It was a pleasure for us to do to crowdfund, but it's hard to do it. And our donors only have so
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much capacity. So for Elon Musk to defend Tommy, to pay the legal bills, what an incredible relief
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to Tommy and his family. And frankly, it relieves us here at Rebel News from that duty. It was a happy
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duty for us, but if the world's richest man wants to help Tommy, I think I'll back up.
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So Tommy got out of prison. Uh, and you may recall on September 13th of last year, he actually put
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together the largest rally in UK history. And you might remember we built sort of free speech trip
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around that. If you were one of the lucky people on that trip and a surprise guest at the rally
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was Elon Musk. Here's a quick clip of that. Imagine that Elon Musk, Tommy Robinson, united at the rally.
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Musk wasn't there in person, but he appeared on video screen. Take a look.
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Okay, congratulations. Uh, congratulations, Tommy, on, uh, putting together an amazing event
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and, uh, really rallying the people of Britain.
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Elon, none of this could have happened without you giving the British public access to the truth
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and giving us free speech and fighting for our free speech. So on behalf of Great Britain and the
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British public, we're incredibly grateful, Elon.
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You're most, you're most, you're most welcome. Um, you're most welcome. And, um, you may notice
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this t-shirt that I'm wearing, uh, is great British author, George Orwell. What would Orwell think?
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I think that's generally a good way to look at these things. Uh, he would want freedom of speech.
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He would want the people to know what's real. Uh, he'd want the people to fight against government
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oppression, um, and, and fight for the truth and fight for the future of Britain.
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Well, it was only better things from there. Every day, a new, uh, success. His U.S. visa,
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which he got just last week, is a miraculous thing because, of course, Tommy Robinson has been
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convicted of various offenses, uh, going, some of them going back years. And those would normally
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make him, um, not considered to travel to the United States. He would be barred from entry
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into America. Tommy had to go to the U.S. consulate and go through, or the U.S. embassy and go through
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point by point explaining the background of why they were politicized, cases of lawfare against
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him. And he convinced them. And, uh, to me, it's an enormous rebuke by the United States government
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of the UK. If Tommy's been convicted, let's say five times, and if he's been sent to prison
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five times, that sounds like a pretty bad dude. But when the U.S. government looked at all the
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actual charges and convictions and saw the results and listened to Tommy, they said, no, he's actually
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not a terrible person as he's been deemed by the UK. And in fact, it sure looks like there's a lot
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of lawfare there, especially that last ruling by the, by the British judge confirmed it. Um,
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we're learning more and more about the UA, UK legal system all the time, by the way, about how
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Keir Starmer is using lawyers to affect awful changes. You know, Keir Starmer used to be a civil
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liberties lawyer himself, by the way, it's just so astonishing to believe that now. Um,
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I, uh, you know, they're so lawyerly in the UK. I hear that the UK lawyers are refusing to let the
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United States operate from U.S. army bases in the UK. The U.S. has a, uh, a joint air base in the United
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Kingdom where they fly their refueling jets and their fighters and their bombers and things.
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I understand that the British government has refused to allow the U.S. to operate from there
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in any attacks on Iran for legal reasons. It would be a war crime to do so. This is how the UK is being
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run. So I think that the offering of a visa to Tommy was not just a rebuke in terms of the censorship
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of Tommy and the bullying of Tommy. I think it's the United States slapping back at Keir Starmer and
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saying your whole legal system is junk. Anyways, he was in the United States and I went down there
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yesterday to see him and he looks great and he looks in fine health and he's fit and he's happy
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and he's busy. Uh, he feels like he's the toast of the town. So many people in America know him
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and there's reasons for that. I mean, Jordan Peterson really mainstreamed him and he's done other
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shows, but for 10 years, we were just sort of pounding away on Tommy Robinson. And I think
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we really helped introduce him to a lot of people on this side of the ocean. Um, I did an interview
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with them, which we posted last, uh, last night or this morning. I can't remember. I'll show that
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to you in a minute in case you missed it. But one of the things I asked Tommy is look, now that you
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can come to America, you know, we've done events with Tommy in the UK, obviously. We did some events
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with Tommy in Canada. I don't know if you participated, but we had a speaking engagement in Calgary,
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one in Toronto. And unfortunately the one in, I think it was in Edmonton got blocked because
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Tommy was arrested in Canada. But the United States, of course, is such an important and huge
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country. Now that Tommy has a visa to go to America, we talked about, um, putting on some
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events with him. And I spent some time today trying to organize that. I'll keep you posted,
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but in the meantime, here's my interview with Tommy Robinson.
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We have a very special guest today. Last time I saw him, it was in front of the Union
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Jack. Today it's in front of the Stars and Stripes. I'm talking about my old friend, Tommy
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Robinson. Great to see you in America. It's great to be here as well. We're physically
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in the office of General Flynn, which is sort of incredible. But I think even more incredible
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is that you're here in America at all. I mean, how did you get in a year ago? My God,
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you were in prison in solitary confinement. The world said you were done. Today you're on top
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Do you know, I had stopped smiling since I got here. I feel relaxed. I feel comfortable.
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Do you know, I thought about exactly what you just said last week. I thought about the last
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12 months. I thought, what's happened in the last 12 months? Jeez, I spent seven months
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in solitary confinement. Then we'd done September 13th, the biggest event in British history.
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Now I'm standing in the United States of America. Do you know, I got to, I got an, I got
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a day's notice of this. I got a phone call. I was in Spain. No, I was, I was in Portugal,
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but I had a rental car from Spain. So I was in Portugal and I'd left after I got an, the ISIS threat.
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So I got a, like a fatwa from ISIS. I was named in their publication. So I left the country
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and then I'm sitting there and I've got a phone call saying, yeah, you need to get back to
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the UK. I was like, why? I said, get to the American embassy. You're getting a waiver.
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And let's just stop there for a second because strict interpretation of the law. You have
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been convicted of various offenses that would normally bar you from America. And Donald Trump
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is very hard on immigrants for you to get a special permission from the state department
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I had to write out and they went through each of my convictions. Yeah. So I had to sit in
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the American embassy. This was a few months ago. And I went through my convictions and what
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happened in my convictions and explained each of them because they're convicted that it's
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In fact, the last, the last two cases that they've prosecuted me on, both judges have ruled
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I've been persecuted, targeted, and it's been unlawful. Now, why did I win those cases?
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Because Elon Musk stepped in. Yeah. So Elon Musk stepped in. So those last two cases,
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I said, it's just like the last seven cases. Yeah. I would have been cleared. I should have
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been cleared. I've never been tried by a jury. So I think America are aware and Donald Trump
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certainly aware. They have him down as convicted criminal. If Donald Trump didn't win the election,
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he had to spend the rest of his life in prison. Many Americans know this. Yeah. Well, they
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know about the politicization of the judiciary. They've all witnessed it themselves. They know
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about my story. I've had Americans stop me here. Police officers stop me here. You're the guy
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they sent to jail for speech. So that's the American view on it. Remember, America has
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a very different view to free speech than Europe does and Britain does.
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But it shouldn't be because Britain was where we got our free speech from. Britain was where,
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you know, the Magna Carta limited the crown and, you know, John Milton. You guys, the Brits,
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were where it started. That's where parliament came from. How come the mothership is losing
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its freedom, whereas America seems to be getting it back?
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They have a constitution and fear is paralyzing and fear of being branded racist, fear of
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cancel culture, fear of losing your job. And they're legitimate fears. Remember, people
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do lose their jobs. People have been cancelled and people do want to attack you. Violence
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within Britain and the government wants to imprison you. So innocent people have been
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in prison. We've seen it. The weaponization of the courts and the judiciary. So I think it's
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legitimate that people have been scared. But I'm blessed to be in the United States of
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America. As I said, fight like a Flynn. We're in General Flynn's office, a gentleman who I've
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watched for years, had the utmost respect for. You know, in the last 72 hours, I have met
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some incredible characters. My feet haven't touched the ground. And I'm sitting with such
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influential people who each one of them are recognizing, are thanking me. And for me, it's
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like I'm hated in British Parliament. There's 650 MPs. They look down their nose upon us.
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I go to, I went to Denmark and got a standing ovation in Parliament. I went to Poland and was
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invited by members of government. I've got a state, I've got a state visit. I've got a state
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visit by Israel. Now I'm in the United States. I've just come out of a meeting with Congress.
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So for me, I feel vindicated. I feel like we've kept in the fight the whole time. And although
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the British government have always attacked us, the rest of the world is looking at things very
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Let's just spend one more minute on Elon Musk, because he took over the payment of your fees.
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We used to crowdfund your legal fees. And he said, no, we're going to make it. It was a stand he took,
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which was very bold. And he appeared at your September 13th rally on that giant screen.
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I think he's really, he makes a difference in so many ways, not just as an industrialist,
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Do you see the, there's a massive, I'd call it a political revolution and a cultural revolution
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currently happening in Great Britain. None of that would be happening if it wasn't for Elon Musk
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purchased next. None of it. The country would still be asleep. People would still be scared.
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People wouldn't be speaking out. The million people you saw on the streets, none of them
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would have been there. He literally, and I was down, Ezra. I've been down lots of times.
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I've been up and I've been down and sometimes I felt defeated and literally I was defeated
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and he literally picked me up. And that was just by, when I say pick me up, he picked us
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all up. He gave us a platform and a voice where people can listen to what we're saying
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and that can change public opinion and not just change public opinion. It can give courage
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to the public to speak up and start addressing and talking about these issues. And that gives
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courage to politicians and that gives courage to journalists. And then all before you
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know it, there's a big open, free discussion being had. And that's what, and that's what
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witness happiness are. I'm forever grateful to Elon. I'm forever grateful to, I believe
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that Jordan Peterson played a key part before Elon stepped in when I was in prison. Jordan
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Peterson brought me in from the dark. Jordan Peterson sat down as such a worldwide recognised
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academic. Thank you, Jordan. And thank you, Tammy. They sat me down and I feel they brought
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me in from the dark. They gave me an opportunity to sit down in there and tell my story. And
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that had 4 million views yesterday. When I met you in Canada, that had 4 million views.
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So I was blessed by that. That's then got people in there. Do you know how many emails
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I got when I was in prison from people who said, I wrote you off as a racist till I saw
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you on Jordan Peterson. So that, I know the change that that interview had. And then what
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Elon Musk has done, not just for me, but for Britain, for all of us, is give us a voice.
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And now I'm stood here. And to be honest, I'd probably be in jail right now, again, if he
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hadn't defended my court cases. And I've got another court case, Ezra. When I've returned from
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here, I faced 10 years in prison in October. Was that the one when the paparazzi stalked
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you? Come after me. I turned the camera on them. And the paparazzi want you prosecuted
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for taking photos of them. But they're paparazzi. I faced 10 years. For telling them, I'm going
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to come with a camera and ask you questions. Now, again, Elon, I've sent his lawyer the case
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files on that. And he's agreed to support the defence of that. I believe now, I'm not sitting
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Well, I was there in court when the last judge gave his ruling on this crazy arrest
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of you under the Terrorism Act. And the judge actually was disgusted.
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He was outraged. In both the last cases, outraged. He couldn't believe it. He literally...
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And when they give... I thought when he gives his verdict, it's going to be difficult for
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him to side with me. But he didn't just side with me in both of them. He went against the
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police. It's basically saying it's outrageous what you've done. You've targeted me.
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I remember a few months before that, you were at a big march against anti-Semitism. And the
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Jews there were so grateful to have your friendship. But the police sent over a dozen cops to grab
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you, pepper spray you, and pull you out. And I thought, that many police to arrest Tommy?
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And I thought to myself, there must be a hundred bureaucrats, lawyers, police who do nothing
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all day, but track Tommy Robinson and try and get him one way or the other. It really is
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a vendetta. And I'm hoping your trip to America snaps them out of that. That judge wasn't happy
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I don't think you all snap them out of it. This is the problem. I don't think they see
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that. Because even the last prison sentence, when they gave me 18 months, they knew the
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world was watching. They knew everyone's seen my film.
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They don't care. Do you know why they don't care? Because seven months of solitary confinement
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I can testify to that. You were wobbled by that. It's a kind of mental torture.
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I was still wobbled recently from it. I'm still wobbled from it. So I've still struggled
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from it. But they know that. So they know that. And what is their purpose? The last thing
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they want, which they failed at, the last thing they want is the world hearing about their
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failures, about their policy failures, government failures, about the abuse on free speech,
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about the oppression of the British public. They don't want the world knowing this. And I'm here
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Let's get back to your trip here. First of all, I just can't get over how amazing
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it is. Like that must have been approved at a very senior level. I mean, maybe even Secretary
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of State Rubio. I don't know. But to approve someone who's been convicted time and again
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Do you know what I think it is? I think it's the American government. They're fully aware
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of what Keir Starmer done after the riots. They're fully aware of what happened to Lucy
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And they wouldn't let her go, I think, if I recall.
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Yeah, she was invited. She's done 31 months in prison. So they've been watching. And if you
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listen to Rubio's speeches, if you listen to J.D. Vance's speeches, if you listen to
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Donald Trump speaking to Keir Starmer, they're fully aware of there's no free speech. They're
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fully aware of what they're doing to the British public. They're fully aware of the European
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And those Europeans want to go after Elon Musk. They want to prosecute him, fine him. They
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Yeah, they're trying to. Yeah, they're trying to. But they're fighting back against the most
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powerful nation in the world, with the most powerful government in the world, with the
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most powerful president in the world. And a president that believes deeply in freedom
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of speeches. So to Americans that are watching this, I keep saying it, I don't think when
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they voted for Donald Trump and they called it a vote to save America, it was far bigger
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than that. It's to save Western civilization. We, all of us, have been given light at the
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end of the tunnel. We now don't feel like we're alone. We now know that the most powerful
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nation in the world is warning our government. They're telling them, we're watching what you're
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doing with your citizens. We're watching. And if we don't like it, maybe sanctions, whatever,
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they're putting pressure on the British government. So it's great for us. It's a great feeling
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to know that we have friends who, whether it be friends, I'm not saying they're our
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friends, but people who agree with free speech. And the speech from J.D. Vance in Munich and
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from Rubio. To sit there, from my point of view, we've been silenced. We live in a post
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free speech era. Many don't realise that. And to sit and watch those speeches, it just
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lit me up just thinking, right, then now they're getting told. They're not going to be able
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to just continue what they've been doing. So yeah, I'm blessed to be in, man. I'm
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blessed to be here. The love I've been shown, Ezra. My phone from Americans, random Americans,
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just families, please come to us for dinner. We'll cook for you. Just everywhere. I've
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got invites to pretty much every state in this country. So it's a beautiful feeling for me
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to know how attached people have been, how many people have followed my story. And the
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love that they're showing me is great, man. From where I was 12 months ago, it was even
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Well, you've suffered for everyone. They saw your suffering, which you chose. I was there
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in court when you were sentenced to solitary. And the judge said, he said to you, if you
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take down that offending tweet now, I will lop months off your sentence. And you did not
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bend the knee. I honestly don't know anyone else in the world who would choose to suffer
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for extra months on a point of principle. That is extremely rare. I think people see that
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in you. And I'm not an expert in Christian theology, but I think there's something Christ-like
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about suffering to aid your fellow man, Tommy. I think that's the reason people love you.
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Yeah, well, I think that it was successful. I don't want to say it was successful, but
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it was successful. 167 million people watched that film. They know the judiciary is corrupt.
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It wasn't silenced, was it, guys? How did that work, Justice Nicklin?
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Let me ask you about the last day or two you've had here. And don't tell me any private
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meetings that you have to keep under your hat. But tell me the kind of folks you've
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been meeting. You just came from Congress. What do you have planned? I mean, I'm sure
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We have lots planned. We've got a website, TommyinUSA.com. People can follow our journey,
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follow our story. Lots of important meetings with important individuals. I'm meeting some
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of the most fascinating people in the world. People I've watched and wanted to shake their
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hand and thought I'd never get the opportunity to. I'm in the United States. I'm here.
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I'm enjoying every second of it. Yeah. Look, the UK population, Islamic population is at
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6%. And since Churchill and Gladstone, not one member of our parliament, in all those
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years, we've had terrorist attacks, children blown up, 26 of them. We've had beheadings.
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We've had women stabbed in the throat. We've had all these mass killings in the name of
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Islam. Not one MP has ever mentioned it. The United States population is at 1%. They've
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already created a fight back through members of Congress. I just come out of a meeting in
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Congress. They want to, they're at the point. Minnesota helped. Nick Shirley. This is the
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importance of citizen journalism, Ezra. I'd say, Ezra, you were the, how do I say, you
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were the birth of independent media, in my eyes. You were the first. And look what's
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come from that. I come from working for you, yeah? And look at now what come out of Nick
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Shirley, which is the best time for America to realize that they will turn a blind eye
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Nick, I'm meeting Nick tonight. I'm meeting Nick tonight. I'm in Congress interviewing another
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congressman tomorrow. I've met with, I met with Carrie Lake the other day and I've watched
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her. I watched what they did to her during the election. I'm meeting with some fascinating
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individuals and the best individuals. And I'm traveling around America. I'm really, as
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Well, that's going to be amazing. And you can let your hair down a little bit without the
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stress. I know that being in the UK is physically stressful because you're always looking out of
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the corner of your eye. My hope is that you'll have access to some big platforms here. And the
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biggest of all is Joe Rogan. He's got an attention span. He talks to guests for two, three or more
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hours. Your story takes a few hours to tell to a newcomer that doesn't know what's going on in the UK.
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It's my hope that you'll get on some of these big shows. Do you have anything you can tell us
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about yet or is it still in the planning stages?
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Yeah, he's brilliant. But I'd like, as you said,
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after five years of leading the English Fence League,
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And after that, they banned me from every university
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It's the most watched discussion at Oxford University.
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warning to America, which is what I'm here to do.
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I wish someone come to the UK 34 years ago
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and said, listen, this is what's going to happen.
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I'm not talking about what I've read in the book.
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So I'd love the opportunity to tell that story.
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Because the same problems over the last eight years
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I think Joe Rogan would have the patience to listen.
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And I know you did a couple of events in Canada.
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Do you think you're going to have any occasions
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where you might give a speech in Washington or LA
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or something that ordinary people can sign up for
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I've always said we're by the people for the people.
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Obviously, I've got my event on May 16th in the UK.
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Anyone who's been watching our content we're producing,
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We're non-stop whilst Aiden, the main man, is here.
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Your kids, obviously, have paid the price their whole life.
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Listen, I can't tell you how happy I am to see you.
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I remember when I visited you in solitary confinement in that prison.
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And I could see what they were trying to break you.
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And on behalf of everyone around the world who loves freedom,
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and who is worried about the things you have exposed,
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And red pill means you're sort of alive to the way the world is.
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Well, white pill, and I'm just using the kids' lingo here,
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And the success of Tommy just in the last year,
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from solitary confinement to toast to the town in America,
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Here's an interview I did with Tracy Wilson on Canadian firearms.
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And, of course, the Toronto police response to that
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is to tell people to have their key fobs for their cars
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near the front door so that when their homes are invaded,
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it's easy for the criminals to get the key fobs.
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They don't have to go marauding through the house.
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If you think I'm kidding, let me refresh your memory
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There's also updated advice for all vehicle owners.
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speaking at an Etobicoke safety meeting last month.
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Constable Marco Ricciardi had a new message for vehicle owners
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To prevent the possibility of being attacked in your home,
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Because they're breaking into your home to steal your car.
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A lot of them that they're arresting have guns on them.
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Yeah, so it's a lot easier to scapegoat law-abiding gun owners
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I mean, you saw this the other day from the Surrey police.
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This was broadcast in both English and foreign languages,
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trying to convince, pleading with people, in fact,
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Take a look at this official police statement in multi-languages.
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Have you been asked to help others extort people for money?
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Have you been offered money to shoot at a house or business
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You are being offered a small sum of money to take enormous risk
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that can harm you, your family, and everyday hardworking people.
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You came to go to school, to find a better life,
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to be one of the first in your family to start something new.
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For many of you, your family or temple sponsored you to be here.
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Committing these crimes isn't worth the dishonour,
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the shame and disappointment you would bring to those
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Don't risk being arrested, jailed, and removed from Canada.
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If you need help or you have confidential information,
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call our Surrey extortion tip line at 236-485-5149.
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for information that helps us stop extortions in Surrey.
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Yeah, if someone is willing to extort another person
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and telling them to be a good Canadian isn't going to work,
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to defend themselves against the Russian invasion.
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The Ukrainians didn't want the little plinkers,
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And the whole thing, again, was just a PR exercise.
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Joining us now to talk about the looming deadline
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for the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights.
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There's no such thing as assault-style firearm.