Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Has the golden age for Jews in Canada come to an end？ A special interview with Barbara Kay

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I have a heart-to-heart conversation with Barbara Kay.

00:00:03.660 She's a columnist for the National Post. She's also Jewish.

00:00:06.860 And like me, she's shocked at what has happened overseas.

00:00:09.940 But more, she's shocked by the response around the world.

00:00:13.740 The embrace of the barbarity and cruelty.

00:00:18.340 We'll talk about this.

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00:00:29.260 All right, here's today's show.

00:00:44.700 Tonight, has the golden age for Jews in Canada come to an end? 0.99

00:00:49.640 I'll talk with my friend Barbara Kay.

00:00:51.760 It's October 25th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:58.560 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:10.260 Believe it or not, the Nazis had limits.

00:01:12.980 They did not disclose the full extent of their Holocaust.

00:01:18.060 They didn't use the word death camps.

00:01:20.120 They called them prison camps or work camps.

00:01:22.020 In fact, if you look at the entrance to Auschwitz, to this day, you can see the iron-wrought gate.

00:01:27.820 It's the iron gate that says, Arbeit macht frei.

00:01:31.420 Work will set you free.

00:01:33.480 A dark joke for those who were about to be exterminated there.

00:01:36.860 But it was a way of saying to the outward world, this is not as horrific as you may think.

00:01:41.020 In fact, the Nazis prepared a propaganda video about what was going on in one of the death camps.

00:01:48.400 I think it was Theresienstadt.

00:01:49.800 And they had a kind of Potemkin village.

00:01:52.480 They showed people being well-fed.

00:01:54.540 They showed that, you know, yes, it was a prison, but like normal prisons, people were taken care of.

00:02:00.200 There was first aid, and certainly, certainly, no one was being murdered.

00:02:03.320 And the reason the Nazis did this, I believe, is because although they certainly indulged in anti-Semitism of the worst variety in public,

00:02:12.280 and they marshaled hatred by directing hatred at the Jews and blaming the eternal Jew, the global Jew, for all the problems, 0.51

00:02:21.160 they knew that underneath it all, ordinary Germans had a basis of Christian morality left, a basis of civilization.

00:02:29.720 Germany, remember, was one of the most modern, progressive, educated, cultured countries in the world.

00:02:35.160 And had they known the depth of depravity, the mass murder, the diabolical plans, the satanic plans of Hitler, 0.89

00:02:44.820 I think perhaps even they would have rebelled.

00:02:48.580 And when Eisenhower and the Allies liberated concentration camps,

00:02:53.800 he directed local townspeople to walk through the concentration camps

00:02:59.340 so that they would be forced to confront what had happened just miles away from their homes for years.

00:03:04.500 And many of them were shocked.

00:03:06.120 Some of them, in fact, seeing what had happened in their communities, committed suicide.

00:03:11.160 Local Germans who did not know the depth of the depravity. 1.00

00:03:15.620 And in that way, Hamas is different.

00:03:18.660 Because rather than hiding the depth of their depravity, they live streamed it.

00:03:23.240 They were instructed to publicize it.

00:03:25.080 They were instructed to be as brutal as possible to torture. 0.95

00:03:29.740 They were instructed the ways in which to torture, to rape and to deform and to cut off heads and fingers and toes and other parts. 0.98

00:03:40.900 Hamas, in that way, I put it to you, is worse than the Nazis. 0.93

00:03:45.400 And what's even worse is rather than that causing so much of the Muslim world to recoil, I'm sure it has for some.

00:03:55.300 But hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions around the world, including here in Canada,

00:04:00.120 upon seeing this depravity, went out in the streets and rejoiced.

00:04:05.120 Joining us now to talk about this is our friend Barbara Kaye, senior columnist at the National Post,

00:04:11.400 whose latest column is called The Insidious Hatred That Spawned the Holocaust and Hamas' latest Pukrum. 0.73

00:04:18.620 Barbara, nice to see you again.

00:04:20.640 Thanks, Ezra.

00:04:21.640 Thanks for having me.

00:04:22.680 Well, the shock I feel from what I saw some 18 or 19 days ago was not just my concern for the state of Israel,

00:04:32.160 which I love as a democracy, and it's the ethnic homeland of Jews,

00:04:35.460 but rather the depths of the barbarity, which I couldn't process.

00:04:42.720 And I still have trouble processing.

00:04:44.380 And it wasn't a Palestinian plan A or plan B or one-state solution or two states.

00:04:51.600 It wasn't a political haggle.

00:04:54.740 It was the most anti-human, diabolical thing I'd ever seen in my life.

00:04:59.880 It was as if the Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum had come to life in full color and much worse.

00:05:05.560 I think what hit me so hard two and a half weeks ago was not the threat to Israel and a democracy

00:05:11.200 and not even the death toll, but the jubilation of the cruelty.

00:05:14.740 And that's with me still.

00:05:15.800 I'm reeling from that.

00:05:17.420 I can't believe it.

00:05:18.840 I'd like you to talk now because I'm emoting.

00:05:21.560 I'm just plainly saying how I feel.

00:05:24.200 But that's an important thing to clock, isn't it?

00:05:27.420 It's very hard to process.

00:05:30.300 I think that Jews of our generation, my generation, in their wildest dreams,

00:05:35.520 could not imagine that this would be happening again and seeing Einsatzgruppen invading Israel, 0.98

00:05:46.180 which we thought was totally secure, that that was the one place where Jews would be safe. 0.93

00:05:53.180 I'm finding it very difficult to see that jubilation.

00:05:56.620 It's very sickening and it reminds me very much of the scenes that we heard about and saw a little bit of

00:06:07.320 when ISIS some years ago and the Islamic State was rampaging through Syria and Iraq

00:06:15.400 and burning people alive and dropping people caged into the river to drown.

00:06:24.620 I mean, the sadism of the way they kill people was extremely shocking. 0.85

00:06:33.140 And to me, Hamas is ISIS. 0.63

00:06:36.320 They have the same values.

00:06:37.700 They have the same goals.

00:06:40.140 So it's terrible.

00:06:41.440 And of course, it's made all the worse by, as you say, seeing scenes of Muslims rejoicing around the world. 1.00

00:06:48.980 But even worse than that, seeing students and non-Muslims who are rejoicing with them 1.00

00:06:57.320 and talking about any means necessary as a form of resistance.

00:07:05.560 They call it resistance.

00:07:07.120 They call it a response to colonization.

00:07:10.780 So that anything that resists colonization, you can forget about morality.

00:07:17.900 You can forget about, you know, basic human decency.

00:07:22.320 That it's all tolerable.

00:07:26.520 Or it certainly is when Jews are the victims. 0.96

00:07:30.920 I don't remember anybody when ISIS was rampaging through the Middle East.

00:07:36.480 I don't remember anybody on this side of the world that was rejoicing with them or saying,

00:07:42.960 yeah, those people had it coming or we're on their side or anything like that.

00:07:49.900 And yet here, this is the same.

00:07:51.680 I mean, I just would like to add to what you, your eloquent introduction, you know, as you say,

00:07:59.200 Hitler did make an attempt to sort of say, well, oh, no, no, no, it's not death camps to work camps.

00:08:06.600 Hitler's ambitions were only, only to kill all the Jews in Europe. 0.97

00:08:12.560 Hamas' plan or wish and Hezbollah is to kill all the Jews in the world. 0.99

00:08:21.860 That's in their charter. 1.00

00:08:22.740 They would like to eliminate all the Jews in the world. 1.00

00:08:24.740 So, in fact, their ambitions are bigger and wider. 0.98

00:08:29.780 And we are all, all Jews in all countries of the world where supporters of these ugly ideologies are present.

00:08:43.300 Our targets, we're targets as much as the people in Israel.

00:08:46.980 So, this was never about colonization.

00:08:49.120 This is Jew hatred, pure and simple, dressed up as colonization. 0.98

00:08:54.140 You know, I remember some of the atrocious videos of ISIS and social media was certainly not as developed back then as it is now.

00:09:04.600 But I remember seeing a cell phone video of an ISIS terrorist cannibalizing, cutting out the heart of a victim and eating it.

00:09:14.100 It was the most shocking thing.

00:09:15.920 It was a snuff film and I, part of me wishes I never looked at it. 0.94

00:09:19.700 So, I remember ISIS lining up Coptic Christians in a row and slitting their throats. 0.99

00:09:28.280 Slitting their throats was their preferred method of death. 0.96

00:09:31.440 They actually didn't torture and abuse the bodies as much as Hamas did in southern Israel.

00:09:39.280 Although, I understand the ISIS terrorists in the Bataclan nightclub in Paris did atrocious torture and dismemberment and disfigurement to their victims.

00:09:50.200 But here's the thing about the Bataclan club in Paris where 130 people were murdered by ISIS and about the Coptic Christians and about the more moderate, sorry, not moderate, the less extremist or fundamentalist Muslims that ISIS killed in Syria and Iraq.

00:10:10.780 About the Yazidis that ISIS killed.

00:10:14.120 ISIS mass raped the Yazidis. 0.99

00:10:16.860 Sex slaves, they took them as sex slaves and kept them for months, years. 1.00

00:10:22.440 And they said that was allowed to them. 1.00

00:10:25.340 I had the terrible experience of interviewing one such rape slave. 0.97

00:10:31.520 They had open air slave markets.

00:10:34.160 Here's the thing.

00:10:35.700 ISIS was in some ways as bad as Hamas.

00:10:39.780 And yet, there was no jubilation.

00:10:45.740 What is the difference?

00:10:46.920 Why was there no jubilation at Harvard and University of Toronto and in Mississauga's Gaza Plaza?

00:10:54.100 Why was there no jubilation when ISIS slit the throats of the Coptic Christians?

00:10:59.260 When ISIS slit the throats in the Bataclan?

00:11:01.260 What is the commonality amongst all those cases?

00:11:06.600 And what's the difference in the case we're here to talk about today?

00:11:10.520 The Jews. 0.64

00:11:11.480 The Jews. 0.64

00:11:11.780 Yeah, it's the Jews. 1.00

00:11:12.680 I mean, let's say it.

00:11:14.380 And there's a lot of pent up.

00:11:17.260 The universities have been incubating this Jew hatred in the form of anti-Zionism and pretending that it's,

00:11:25.920 no, it's not about Jews.

00:11:28.920 It's about Israel. 0.98

00:11:29.880 Israel is this evil entity because they represent, you know, this imperial colonist, whatever. 1.00

00:11:40.220 But it never was.

00:11:41.620 It never was about that.

00:11:42.900 It was always about Jew hatred. 0.98

00:11:44.680 And these people that support Hamas, people that are not even Muslim, but that have been indoctrinated into the cult of Jew hatred through, 0.99

00:11:58.440 through, you know, the university's ideology of intersectionality and all that other crap. 0.99

00:12:06.300 They've been groomed to Jew hatred and that it's okay, that it's okay to hate you because Jews represent an evil. 0.99

00:12:17.080 I mean, they call it Zionism, but it's not. 0.98

00:12:20.600 It's just pure. 0.66

00:12:22.640 Jews don't have the right to their state. 1.00

00:12:25.040 They don't have the right to have their own, their homeland, like other people. 1.00

00:12:29.180 They don't have the right to anything.

00:12:30.520 They don't have the right to live. 0.84

00:12:31.440 They, they, I, it, it's that simple.

00:12:36.860 And, and yet their narrative is the one that the media, much of the media, not all, thank God, are glomming onto as, well, it's understandable because of 75 years of oppression.

00:12:52.060 That is never understandable.

00:12:53.940 I don't care even if it was 75 years of oppression, which it has not been. 0.99

00:12:58.080 To, to, to be able to have that come out of your mouth, beheading babies, raping children, killing their parents in front of their eyes, roping parents together with their children, and then setting them on fire, burning them to death. 0.99

00:13:15.760 How, how, in the name of God, can this, this be something that you're allowed to do if you feel you've been oppressed? 0.99

00:13:30.100 And, and that's the astonishing thing, is that all the caring people, the anti-hate people, the Canadian Anti-Hate Network, the Canadian Race Relations Foundation, every single province and territory has something called a Human Rights Commission.

00:13:44.140 I have not heard from any, any of these people who care about a micro-aggression.

00:13:50.140 Uh-oh, trigger warning, micro-aggressions.

00:13:52.680 What about these monstrous aggressions?

00:13:56.060 What about hatred so brutal it, it calls for the extermination? 0.95

00:14:01.280 Well, from the river to the sea is code for kill every Jew between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean. 0.98

00:14:06.280 It's a call for extermination. 0.97

00:14:07.140 And I have not seen a single person who for my entire life has called themselves the nice people, the, the human rights people.

00:14:15.780 We care more than you, we're more tolerant than you, we're here to chide you. 0.71

00:14:19.680 If you conservatives take one step outside of our preconceived notion of what you should say, we're going to call you Nazis.

00:14:25.920 Here's actual Nazis and not a word from these people. 0.91

00:14:31.400 In fact, these people are the ones who are the most hateful.

00:14:34.520 The diversity, inclusion, and equity people are the ones propagating the hatred.

00:14:39.280 It, it's stunning to me.

00:14:41.880 And as you pointed out, it's not just Muslim immigrants to Canada.

00:14:46.300 It is white, woke leftists too.

00:14:51.360 That's a huge part of it.

00:14:53.420 You see them walking in, in, in demonstrations.

00:14:56.260 I saw a clip of some smug white students who were at the university tearing down pictures of the hostages.

00:15:04.660 Pictures of the hostages.

00:15:05.980 How is this, how is this something that's offensive to them?

00:15:10.400 That these are innocent hostages and they're actually tearing down their pictures off the wall

00:15:15.700 and looking very smug as they do it, like righteous.

00:15:19.600 See what we're doing?

00:15:20.860 Because these are Israeli hostages.

00:15:23.520 Anything that, anything that hurts Israeli citizens or Israeli, they're, they're down with that.

00:15:31.500 We have a serious soul searching to do.

00:15:34.640 These universities have some, I mean, they won't, but, but they should be aghast at what their own students are doing.

00:15:44.300 They're supposed to be able to, as you say, inclusion, safety.

00:15:47.460 I don't feel safe.

00:15:48.580 I got misgendered.

00:15:49.500 I don't feel safe.

00:15:50.340 This is taken very seriously.

00:15:53.520 Jews have not felt safe in universities where there's a significant Jewish population for decades.

00:16:01.360 And they have been begging the universities to help them to create an environment in which they do.

00:16:09.260 And, and it's very clear that the environment that is making them feel unsafe is this relentless pro-Palestinian, these groups, you know, solidarity for Palestine and all these groups that support them.

00:16:24.860 And their, they're, they're, they're apartheid weeks and the relentless campaign to demonize Israel.

00:16:34.920 Um, it's, it's, it is now spilled over and it has created in the students that they have, uh, brought a, seduced into their narrative of how they're the most oppressed people in the world.

00:16:46.320 Uh, it, they, they have been indoctrinated to believe maybe they don't even know it themselves until they see themselves jubilant about this situation. 0.72

00:16:56.840 You know, that, that hating Jews is okay because Jews are hyper-privileged white people. 0.93

00:17:04.820 White people, of course, are, are, you know, you don't worry about them, anything that bad that happens to them. 1.00

00:17:12.000 But Jews are the worst of the white people. 1.00

00:17:13.900 They're hyper-privileged. 1.00

00:17:15.280 This is the message that Jewish students are getting.

00:17:17.680 Um, you know, anyone who would, like, they, they kidnap babies, they kidnap two-year-olds, they kidnap three-year-olds, but actual babies.

00:17:27.500 And, and they took them back into Gaza. 0.59

00:17:31.560 And the thing about kidnapping a baby is you've got a prisoner who you can hold on to for 50 years.

00:17:36.600 You know, they kidnapped some, some people in their 80s and 90s, but they took babies, obviously for human shields. 0.56

00:17:43.260 If you're willing to take your own Palestinian children as human shields and put your rocket launchers in schools to, uh, either deter an Israeli airstrike or to welcome ones so you have a PR incident.

00:17:56.180 Imagine the cruelty they're going to do to these children. 0.96

00:17:59.240 And they killed the children on purpose, obviously.

00:18:02.640 To kill a child, especially practically a newborn, shows that there's no politics involved.

00:18:12.520 There's no, well, you did that, or you committed this moral sin.

00:18:16.420 It is literally, if you look at the root of the word genocide, you're trying to eradicate the entire genetics.

00:18:22.300 You're trying to destroy every single human being.

00:18:26.000 It's Stone Age stuff.

00:18:27.980 Well, it is, because they say, their, their line is, well, every civilian has to go into the army in Israel, and therefore, even a two-year-old child is going to grow up to one day be a soldier who's going to oppress us.

00:18:40.780 I mean, this is, but it makes me think about our own tradition, uh, how the Pharaoh, you know, who said, these Hebrews, uh, they're, they're, they're, they're becoming too numerous. 0.96

00:18:53.680 And so they said, kill the firstborn boy, uh, from every family.

00:18:59.280 That was, that was going to be, uh, the Pharaoh's solution to the problem of this tribe that was, he was nervous about getting too numerous amongst us.

00:19:10.380 Um, and it does feel like we're back to 3,000, at least 3,000 years ago, uh, or more.

00:19:18.340 This is the kind of thinking, this is the kind of tribal, um, you know, we cannot have these people amongst us. 0.95

00:19:25.980 They're too numerous, they're too strong, they're too this, they're too that.

00:19:29.920 And, uh, that's, that, that is something that Jews have served as this kind of a scapegoat, not just for the Pharaohs and then for the Romans and then for, I mean, it's been, it's been our history.

00:19:40.300 We're still trying to figure out why, what, what did we do that was so terrible?

00:19:44.960 I don't know, but, um, here we are, scapegoats again, and in a very brutal, sadistic, horrible way.

00:19:51.760 And the people that support these animals, these Nazis, I call it a form of pathological altruism. 0.94

00:19:59.260 They think that they are supporting, uh, resistance fighters, freedom fighters, uh, people that are oppressed. 0.93

00:20:07.300 They have just simply, they're ignorant, uh, but they want to be in on something revolutionary.

00:20:14.480 This is what young people thirst to be part of a revolution. 0.97

00:20:18.240 They want to see blood run in the streets.

00:20:19.980 They don't want it to be their blood, but they, they, they get, uh, to me, I don't know, Ezra, I maybe call me a little crazy, but there is something in human nature that gets an erotic thrill.

00:20:33.520 This is like, this is like, uh, uh, uh, this, this willingness to see this kind of depraved, uh, bloodlust manifest itself.

00:20:46.620 I think there's a kind of erotic component to it for a lot of young people who say, this is, this is my revolution.

00:20:52.740 I'm, I'm in on this.

00:20:53.760 I'm in on something very exciting.

00:20:55.060 And one Cornell professor, I don't know if you've read about him, told a Palestinian, a pro-Palestine rally that he found the pogrom exhilarating and energizing.

00:21:09.800 I saw that and that was a black professor. 0.80

00:21:12.440 Imagine, imagine if he had seen the beating of a black slave or a lynching. 0.79

00:21:17.660 Imagine, imagine someone whose historic lineage in America during slavery may have seen a lynching. 0.92

00:21:27.720 Imagine coming full circle to be erotically aroused by death pornography, by a snuff film.

00:21:37.060 It is like, it isn't a snuff film.

00:21:39.060 Yeah, it is.

00:21:39.740 Well, it is literally a snuff film.

00:21:41.140 Um, you know, it's funny, I'm thinking again about how the Nazis who were atrocious, obviously, I mean, that is the, that is the defining yardstick for how atrocious you are.

00:21:51.760 But what do you do if that yardstick's not big enough?

00:21:53.660 Think of the, the neo-Nazis or the white supremacists who marched in Charlottesville, Virginia, six years ago with their tiki torches and their khaki pants.

00:22:02.360 And they were chanting, um, uh, we will not be erased or we will not be replaced or something that Jews do not control us or something like that.

00:22:12.260 Like it was, it was, uh, racism about, you know, they said something.

00:22:16.700 I can't remember what it was exactly, but it was just, they said all those things.

00:22:20.620 It's true.

00:22:21.020 I remember.

00:22:21.720 Yes.

00:22:22.060 And, and, and, you know, basically they indicated that this was a racial battle for them.

00:22:26.640 They didn't like the Jews much. 0.93

00:22:27.880 They didn't like non-whites. 1.00

00:22:28.900 But other than expressing their racism, they didn't say, so violent revolution and kill all the Jews. 1.00

00:22:38.840 So from the river to the sea, kill all the Jews. 1.00

00:22:41.600 So, um, let's have a violent Intifada, violent revolution. 0.99

00:22:46.060 Like in, in the streets of Toronto, in front of the Israeli consulate last week, there was, one of their chants was, um, Intifada revolution.

00:22:52.700 I forget the, but they were talking about revolution.

00:22:54.360 They were talking about violence.

00:22:55.400 They were talking about riots.

00:22:56.760 Um, they're talking about martyrs. 0.94

00:22:58.900 So they're, they're not just saying, we hate Jews. 0.99

00:23:01.060 We hate Jews. 1.00

00:23:02.100 We hate Jews. 1.00

00:23:02.880 They're saying, we hate Jews. 1.00

00:23:05.200 Obviously that's a given. 0.98

00:23:06.560 That's the starting point.

00:23:07.600 So now what?

00:23:08.580 So now what?

00:23:09.260 From the river to the sea.

00:23:10.640 Um, now what?

00:23:12.700 Violent Intifada revolution.

00:23:14.640 So they were moving to action. 0.99

00:23:17.000 The global condemnation of a couple hundred white guys in khaki pants saying, we hate the Jews. 0.99

00:23:24.160 We hate the Jews. 1.00

00:23:25.480 Full, full stop. 1.00

00:23:26.380 They didn't say, so now we're going to go kill them compared to a hundred thousand in London, England last Saturday, thousands in Toronto and Montreal who went the next step. 0.80

00:23:37.800 And the New York Times is running defense for Hamas, um, blood libeling the Israeli defense forces.

00:23:45.820 They just rehired their key Gaza reporter who's publicly praised Hitler, but they said he's being very objective in his reporting this time.

00:23:53.860 So where are all the people who condemned Charlottesville?

00:23:58.060 And by the way, I condemned Charlottesville too.

00:23:59.640 I'm a Jew.

00:23:59.980 I don't like when people say we hate Jews, but, but where is everybody?

00:24:06.480 The last example here in Toronto, there, there's a restaurant with a Jewish, Jewish lineage called Cafe Landwehr.

00:24:14.960 It's just a name.

00:24:16.220 Started in Berlin in 1919.

00:24:17.920 The family had to flee the Nazis.

00:24:20.120 Now there's this chain of restaurants.

00:24:22.520 It's a pretty good restaurant.

00:24:23.580 It's got nothing to do with Israel or Hamas or Gaza.

00:24:26.860 It's just a restaurant, but it was known as a Jewish place.

00:24:29.560 And so you had Palestinian, uh, pro-Hamas supporters outside.

00:24:34.160 This is a Zionist place. 0.60

00:24:35.360 Imagine if you had Tiki Torque bearing, uh, white Nazis outside Cafe Landwehr or outside a mosque or a Muslim shawarma place.

00:24:45.760 You would have the whole country on, in DEFCON 1 or whatever.

00:24:50.380 Um, where's everybody?

00:24:52.340 Where's everybody, Barbie?

00:24:53.860 Oh, that's a good question.

00:24:54.880 Where's our emergency act?

00:24:56.320 I mean, uh, didn't they, uh, you know, uh, honking trucks got us an emergency act. 0.99

00:25:01.380 And, uh, this is, uh, people that are screaming a slogan, you know, free Palestine means kill all the Jews.

00:25:11.200 It's really, uh, we know that everybody knows that, but they pretend that it's just, uh, and then, you know, oh, they, that means they want to negotiate for a two-state solution. 0.83

00:25:21.880 Not that that's at least, at least we can, uh, dispense with the depraved hypocrisy that really, uh, if only they had their own state or if only they had the right, uh, you know, they'd gotten the right offer of, of a decent state of their own, that this wouldn't have arisen.

00:25:45.720 Uh, at least we know the truth.

00:25:48.380 It's been laid bare, but nobody's reacting as if the truth has been laid bare.

00:25:53.640 They're, they're, they're reacting as though, well, we need to, we need to have a ceasefire.

00:25:58.560 We need to, both sides, both sides, you know, we don't want to have more violence.

00:26:03.260 We don't want to have disproportionate response, which they, by the way, started saying two minutes after it was, the pogrom was revealed, uh, they started saying there's, we're, we're feeling grief over the disproportionate response that we know is coming.

00:26:19.860 Like they died, nothing had even started yet.

00:26:22.060 There had been no response and already they were changing the narrative to poor us.

00:26:27.680 We're going to be leaving.

00:26:29.220 Yeah.

00:26:29.560 You know, the late Norm MacDonald, um, the Canadian comedian, uh, who was on Saturday Night Live and did some movies.

00:26:36.320 He, he had a tweet, uh, I think seven years ago going from memory.

00:26:39.800 He said, um, what if Al Qaeda or ISIS detonated a bomb and, uh, killed 50 million Americans.

00:26:48.240 Boy, uh, the, the backlash against innocent Muslims.

00:26:52.860 I'm really worried about that.

00:26:54.240 But that, that's the joke.

00:26:55.520 I mean, I, sometimes you have to laugh.

00:26:57.680 Uh, the Babylon Bee had a, had a meme, you know, Admiral Hiro, Emperor Hirohito calls for a ceasefire right after hitting Pearl Harbor.

00:27:08.440 Like no one said to America in the, after the ashes of 9-11, hey, ceasefire guys, don't respond disproportionately.

00:27:17.120 No one said that to Russia after the Beslan slaughter.

00:27:22.580 No, I mean, I don't know any other country in the world that is told, hey, have a ceasefire, don't be disproportionate now.

00:27:29.680 I mean, I am not opposed to the fact that the allies in the Second World War burnt Tokyo, nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki, burnt Dresden, because those were strategic decisions at the time that were decided by the commanders of the responding, uh, militaries that this will bring war to a close more quickly.

00:27:51.660 And, and, and I don't know if the sneaker, the sneak attackers of Japan are in a position to say, don't hit civilian centers.

00:28:00.600 And I don't know if, if Nazi Germany was in a position to say, don't firebomb Dresden. 0.82

00:28:06.340 I don't know.

00:28:07.160 I mean, I mean, you mentioned Japan.

00:28:09.060 I did mention it in a previous column.

00:28:11.340 I said, I think the attitude has to be, look, we're dealing with, uh, it's a very different, obviously a different culture and a different war and a different time.

00:28:20.160 But, but the Japanese had the same, um, fanaticism and fight to the death and beyond. 0.99

00:28:28.700 They were not going to surrender.

00:28:30.620 They had that, they had that, uh, kind of fanaticism.

00:28:34.700 Well, the kamikaze was a, it was a suicide moment. 0.96

00:28:37.860 Okay.

00:28:38.180 So it was more honorable to die fighting for your country than to surrender to, because they were racist and they were, you know, uh, they hate for, I don't even know why they hated the Americans, but anyways, they did.

00:28:51.800 Israel should be looking at Hamas through those eyes that they're dealing with people that you cannot reason with them. 0.96

00:29:00.220 You cannot say, look, uh, we don't want to have to destroy, you know, uh, half your infrastructure and all of that.

00:29:09.020 Uh, but we're going to, if you don't, you know, they'll never, they'll, they'll, they'll fight to the last fighter and they'll fight to the last civilian and the civilians will be part of their, so Israel doesn't need to have a nuclear weapon to, uh, to destroy Hamas. 0.60

00:29:27.560 But they, they, they, a lot of blood will be spilled doing it. 0.85

00:29:33.000 And that's tragic. 0.88

00:29:34.260 That, that is tragic that that's the only way to get rid of this, uh, toxic, horrible ISIS-like lookalike, uh, Hamas. 0.97

00:29:44.660 And it's the only way to tell other players in the region, um, that Israel has, this, this is, this is a new era.

00:29:53.720 Uh, there's no more, no more ceasefires, no more.

00:29:58.020 Although I hear that, that, uh, they're thinking very carefully about delaying the invasion, uh, which, you know, they, they got to have all their ducks in a row.

00:30:06.220 So, but I guess we're on the same page with this, um, this is an enemy that is, uh, there is no placating, there's no offer you could make, there's no reasonable offer you could make.

00:30:18.280 Uh, this is hatred, pure and simple.

00:30:20.740 So there has to be a response that allows Israel to say, we have to consider our own security, we have to consider our own survival. 0.91

00:30:29.920 Uh, international law allows, or what, you know, what would be a proportionate response to, uh, we'll rape the same number of women, we'll kill the same number of, uh, Gaza babies. 0.99

00:30:41.440 Like you can't, there's nothing is, nothing in international law says that the numbers or the type of response has to be the same.

00:30:49.900 You, you know, proportionate means that you have to do only so much as you need to do to cover your objectives.

00:30:58.360 And the objective in this case is to finish off Hamas. 0.92

00:31:02.480 So there's nothing in, there's nothing in the laws of war that call for proportionality.

00:31:06.660 Um, what started after Pearl Harbor, Pearl Harbor was several thousand dead and several ships sunk.

00:31:15.400 What that unleashed was millions dead.

00:31:18.300 There was no proportionality there.

00:31:20.260 Uh, in the end, um, you know, the, the death count across Europe was in the tens of millions.

00:31:27.600 There was no proportionality.

00:31:29.340 That's, I don't even think that's part of the laws of war.

00:31:32.040 You don't deliberately target civilians, but neither do you defend from civilian areas.

00:31:37.940 Look, I'm not an expert in the laws of war, but we don't even have to be so grandiose.

00:31:41.400 Let me, let me point out something that's been irritating me for a week.

00:31:43.720 Justin Trudeau hastily, um, said that a, an explosion at a hospital that was originally reported to have 500 casualties and destroying that hospital.

00:31:58.180 Yeah.

00:31:58.700 He was asked what he had to say about the fact that Israel did it and he condemned it.

00:32:05.140 He didn't use the word Israel in his answer, but the word Israel was in the question.

00:32:08.820 So it was, it was obvious.

00:32:10.000 A week later, or four days later, after everyone else in the world realized that it, there was no Israeli attack on the place.

00:32:17.580 Thank God that hospital was not destroyed.

00:32:19.800 There were not 500 casualties.

00:32:21.620 There was a fire in the parking lot that was likely caused by a Palestinian rocket.

00:32:25.580 So Trudeau, his cabinet minister on a Saturday night says, oh yeah, it wasn't Israel, but Trudeau's original tweet called for accountability.

00:32:35.260 There must be accountability.

00:32:36.600 He said, okay, so now we know who did it.

00:32:40.820 Where's the accountability?

00:32:42.920 Exactly.

00:32:43.540 Every single day there have been rockets shot from Gaza into Israel.

00:32:48.160 Incredibly after 17 days, they're still able to muster hundreds of rockets being shot a day.

00:32:53.660 That's astonishing and troubling to me.

00:32:56.360 There's no comment or condemnation of that by Trudeau or by anyone.

00:33:00.020 There's no protest against that.

00:33:02.280 And that's, that's what makes me so sad.

00:33:05.240 I'm not, I mean, I'm sad for Israel because it's a democracy and I have an ethnic solidarity with them because I'm a Jew, but I'm a Canadian first.

00:33:12.780 I'm fourth generation Canadian.

00:33:14.400 This is my home.

00:33:15.220 I have no intention of going anywhere else.

00:33:16.860 But for the first time in my life, I wonder just how safe it is here for me or for the next generation, because there are thousands of people on the streets braying for the death of Jews, not of Israelis somewhere overseas, but of Jews and targeting Jews here and threatening Jews at Jewish schools here.

00:33:35.800 And there was someone in Kingston who was charged with attempting to ram his car into a pro-Israel rally.

00:33:43.340 And, and I, what strikes me is a stunning silence from authorities.

00:33:50.700 Olivia Chow, to her credit, after some missteps, made a pretty good pro-Israel statement.

00:33:58.100 The mayor of Edmonton did not.

00:34:01.300 He lit up the bridge in that town in the Hamas colors. 0.85

00:34:04.140 Um, mayor of Mississauga is deeply in bed with Islamists. 0.99

00:34:09.520 Um, I think that so many leaders, so many premiers, so many MPs have absolutely gone silent on this.

00:34:18.380 And, and that's terrifying to me.

00:34:20.100 And I wonder how scared I should be.

00:34:22.500 And I don't know the answer.

00:34:23.920 And I don't know if there's any good answer.

00:34:26.000 Uh, yeah, I, I try not to be paranoid, but I, I think, uh, we do, we should be concerned.

00:34:31.280 You know, uh, the Jews in France and England and, uh, in Holland, uh, they, they have been scared for good reason. 1.00

00:34:41.740 Uh, there have been attacks and there have been killings and there have been really some incidents.

00:34:46.260 It's been going on for more than 25 years.

00:34:49.900 And I don't know what's wrong with people here that they would sit and look at what's going on in Europe and, and say to themselves, oh, that's their problem.

00:35:00.300 That's their problem.

00:35:00.980 That's not going to be our, our problem.

00:35:03.320 Uh, I, I, I don't get it.

00:35:07.020 And I think it will be our problem, maybe not, God forbid, to the extent that it has been, um, in, in Europe and, and some of the tragedies, uh, in, in France that you alluded to.

00:35:19.980 Um, so we, uh, I think we were only seeing the start of something very dark here in Canada and in the United States, but more in Canada, uh, because the United States is a very big country.

00:35:36.500 And I think the, uh, the numbers of people that they have to worry about, yeah, there's students and there's, but the actual activists, uh, they're, they're confined, I think mostly to the universities.

00:35:49.520 Um, they have, they, they can easily handle, I think any security problems, even though there could be incidents, but Canada, um, I think there's an awful lot of, uh, people on the left who are extremely gullible.

00:36:04.240 And, and, and, and who have been happy to, and we have a government that is extremely reluctant to, uh, recognize that there is, uh, in this country, there are people in government, in institutions, in unions, uh, that are promoting, uh, a very pernicious, uh, line of patter.

00:36:28.200 Uh, so I, I, I am certainly worried about what could be coming down the pike, um, and I don't like to be a false alarmist, but I don't like what I'm seeing in the government, the equivocation, um, amongst the cabinet.

00:36:43.140 There should not be equivocation on this.

00:36:44.620 This is a terrorist organization, uh, and I don't like the fact that other heads of state have been very reassuring to Israel.

00:36:53.860 They've gone to visit Israel, um, they've, they've expressed solidarity, uh, our prime minister has said as little as he can.

00:37:01.680 He did make one statement, you know, expressing sympathy with Israel, but apart from that, he's kept a very low profile.

00:37:09.420 Well, I, uh, I mean, I love Canada, and I should have faith in my fellow Canadians, and I know that the majority of Canadians do not support this.

00:37:16.920 I think that, um, most Canadians are not street activists.

00:37:20.220 Most normal Canadians don't go out and protest.

00:37:22.780 I find it astonishing, some of these protests, um, people have a Taliban flag just kicking around.

00:37:27.780 People have a, it's like, I mean, they just have it ready for the great moment, and, um, I find that terrifying.

00:37:34.420 Um, I've got to think that not only old stock Canadians are shocked by what they're seeing, but many other newcomers here, not just, um, you know, other races and religions.

00:37:45.660 But I, I've got to imagine many Muslims don't like what they see, but maybe they're afraid to speak up.

00:37:51.660 And if Justin Trudeau won't condemn it, well, why would they?

00:37:54.920 If he, if, and I can imagine, I don't know, I think leadership from the top matters.

00:38:01.140 And I've seen in the United Kingdom, they have a terrible problem on their streets.

00:38:05.280 But every day I see another senior cabinet minister and the prime minister there himself, you know, the immigration ministers say they'll deport non-citizen racists.

00:38:15.120 I, I see, um, their equalities minister denounce this, uh, there, like, so many different cabinet ministers, including these minorities, like Rishi Sunak, Suella Braverman, Kemi Badenoch.

00:38:27.460 Yeah.

00:38:27.600 Like, those are all either new immigrants or from immigrant families. 0.99

00:38:31.720 And they are hard line against the Islamic extremism in the streets. 0.94

00:38:37.180 And we have not seen the same thing in our country.

00:38:40.360 And I find it depressing, but I don't want to be too depressed.

00:38:44.060 You know, the Jews have a saying, L'chaim, which means to life.

00:38:48.700 And I know that the Catholics also say where there's life, there's hope.

00:38:53.920 And so no matter how dark it is, and, and these really are forces of darkness on the other side that prefer martyrdom to life.

00:39:00.280 I think we have to keep, keep our hope.

00:39:03.380 And we have to remember that Canada is a great place and that most of our neighbors actually are appalled by this.

00:39:10.300 And to that, to speak, sorry to interrupt you, but I just wanted to add, to speak to that very idea.

00:39:16.120 I don't want to give a negative impression that nobody seemed, that I believe that nobody seems to care.

00:39:21.500 I want to mention the fact that in the last couple of weeks, I have heard from so many of my Christian readers, and I mean Christians that are active Christians.

00:39:32.020 And their messages have been so touching and so moving to me.

00:39:37.460 And they have said, we share your pain.

00:39:41.120 Please don't think that nobody's on your side, although it looks like that.

00:39:45.420 We love Israel.

00:39:46.840 We know Israel, you know, this is not Israel's fault.

00:39:49.900 And we blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:39:52.180 I've had lovely, lovely, warm messages of support and fellowship and encouragement.

00:39:58.500 And I, as I write back to them, I say, you, you probably don't even realize what this means to me.

00:40:05.000 Because right now, it's, as a Jew, it's very easy to feel very lonely and very scared.

00:40:13.300 And, and to say to ourselves, do we really only have each other?

00:40:16.240 So, every message that comes from somebody who's not Jewish, but who recognizes that there's no one side and on the one hand, on the, there's no on the one hand, on the other hand here. 0.74

00:40:27.220 This was, this was, this was, as you say, as bad as Hitler, as bad as anything, and anybody who thinks that there's some kind of a justification for what happened in Israel, for political reasons, has lost their moral compass, 100%, and has been sucked into a cult that is extremely dark.

00:40:50.880 And, and it is very, it is very, it is very harmful to our civilization, what's left of it.

00:40:57.160 And, you know, you see people talking about the suicide of the West.

00:41:01.360 If you Google suicide of the West, you'll see, like, you get about 50, over 50 million hits, because this is the sub, this is the title of books, and of articles, and of talks, and podcasts.

00:41:13.260 And this, what happened, the reaction to this tragedy, the attempt to equivocate on it, and say, on the one hand, but on the other, I think is if, is it is an indicator of just how far down the slope we are from where we were before, in terms of our moral compass, in terms of what we knew, that decent people do, and that decent people don't do.

00:41:38.320 And, and, and, and the bright line between protest and atrocities.

00:41:46.960 Yeah.

00:41:48.180 Well, listen, congratulations to you on your columns, and the National Post, I have to say, has been excellent.

00:41:53.420 Oh, they've been amazing.

00:41:54.420 They've been amazing.

00:41:55.780 Um, I was pretty down.

00:41:57.880 I was pretty down a week ago.

00:41:59.540 I was quite depressed.

00:42:00.820 Um, and my thoughts were mainly for here at home, because it was not the perfectly safe country I grew up in.

00:42:07.660 I think I was born in a very lucky time, and grew up in a very lucky place, and, um, we're in difficult times again.

00:42:15.940 I think we, we lived in an anomaly of history, and, uh, we're revering to history's more natural state.

00:42:25.480 Hopefully we don't go full Thomas Hobbes, the Leviathan.

00:42:29.960 Yeah.

00:42:30.440 Where he talks about life being nasty, brutish, and short.

00:42:34.380 A war of all against all. 0.77

00:42:37.180 Well, it feels that way.

00:42:37.920 It feels that way.

00:42:38.500 I, I agree with you that you grew up in a good time.

00:42:40.920 I, I, my life started during a very dark time.

00:42:44.180 It was during the Holocaust.

00:42:44.900 But my, my youth, uh, I believed that antisemitism was over, that, uh, it was really going to be never again.

00:42:54.240 Um, and most of my life has been lived in, in, in terms of that issue, has been, uh, the world is, is, is a better place for Jews and all of that.

00:43:04.320 Now, I see that I will not in my lifetime ever see Israel, uh, proud and strong, or morally strong, again, because the, the fallout from this psychologically for Israelis is going to pursue them for many, many years to come. 0.80

00:43:21.940 Uh, so I, that, that bubble has burst.

00:43:25.360 Uh, it's burst in terms of Israel, and it's burst in terms of how I feel about being a Westerner in general and a Canadian in particular. 0.72

00:43:34.320 I, I, I am, I share your sense of pessimism, and it's, I know it's a sin to despair, and I, I try to find the bright side.

00:43:44.520 Right now, it's very hard to find a bright side, a bright side to anything that's going on, and I can think of many potential dark sides.

00:43:52.920 So that's not a very happy note to leave you on, is it?

00:43:56.700 Well, we'll do our best.

00:43:57.940 I mean, we keep on fighting.

00:43:58.920 We have to do it.

00:43:59.880 We wake up every day and we fight.

00:44:01.940 And that's our fighting spirit over here.

00:44:04.080 And one of the things we're doing is we have a reporter over in Israel, Avi Yemini, who's been there all week.

00:44:10.460 Uh, we've set up a special website for him, thetruthaboutthewar.com.

00:44:14.680 That's, what can we do?

00:44:15.840 Well, we can have a reporter to show what's really going on rather than relying on Hamas, uh, spin that's being cycled through the Western media.

00:44:25.060 So that's one of the things we'll do.

00:44:26.460 And if we have other big ideas, we'll share them with you.

00:44:28.680 So, Barbara, great to see you.

00:44:30.500 Keep up the fight.

00:44:31.140 My friend, keep your spirits high and we'll do our best as well.

00:44:35.020 Thanks.

00:44:35.480 Thanks, guys.

00:44:36.100 All right.

00:44:36.460 Israel is company. 1.00

00:44:37.260 Well, I, I have been miserable because, uh, I think my utopian, um, delusion, I mean, let me just throw one more thing at you, Barbara.

00:44:47.720 I know we, we just said goodbye, but a month ago we led a mission to Israel and then to Dubai.

00:44:52.720 We went for a week to Israel with 40 enthusiasts and we took six journalists and then we flew from Tel Aviv over Saudi Arabia, landed in Dubai and spent three days in the United Arab Emirates.

00:45:03.620 We went to a Holocaust museum in Dubai.

00:45:05.980 We went to a synagogue in Abu Dhabi.

00:45:08.500 We met, we, we stayed at a, a Hilton hotel in Dubai with a kosher kitchen.

00:45:12.840 We met a Chabad rabbi.

00:45:14.060 And I honestly, truly in my heart felt that we were in a post historic moment where peace was coming, almost the end times, the lion lying down with the lamb, beating swords into plowshares.

00:45:28.460 Imagine that walking through a Muslim country and seeing a mosque. 1.00

00:45:32.720 And instead of being afraid, being interested and curious and excited by it and feeling totally safe and feeling like we were in a new era and going home, feeling a sense of healing.

00:45:47.020 And then from that, that is, that's, you just, in the last minute, you just, you just gave the actual reason why Hamas felt they had to do this.

00:45:58.240 That's exactly what they're afraid of.

00:46:00.240 That's exactly what they, they, they, they, they can't stand thought of the other Arab nations making peace with Israel and for normalizing relations.

00:46:09.360 That was actually their motive in putting this horrible thing together.

00:46:15.180 But I agree with you.

00:46:16.600 A couple of weeks ago, we were on top of the world.

00:46:19.400 We were, I mean, it was like a miracle, as you say, and you lived it, you lived it.

00:46:23.140 You went over there and you saw the potential.

00:46:25.340 You saw how life could be.

00:46:27.880 And it was beautiful.

00:46:29.100 It was beautiful.

00:46:29.740 Well, well, it's not over.

00:46:32.240 I should tell you that while there have been pro-Hamas rallies in Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal, Edmund Cowrie, et cetera, there have been no pro-Hamas rallies in Dubai or Abu Dhabi.

00:46:41.020 And that's something to think about.

00:46:42.840 Barbara Kaye will let you go.

00:46:43.720 Thank you so much, my friend.

00:46:45.480 Thanks, Ezra.

00:46:46.260 You go.

00:46:46.920 All right.

00:46:47.440 Well, I have a show today.

00:46:48.600 And forgive me my kvetching, but I wanted to tell you how I felt.

00:46:52.360 And I was inspired by Barbara Kaye's column in the National Post, which I recommend to you.

00:46:57.100 That's our show for today.

00:46:58.720 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:47:03.080 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:47:05.040 Thank you.

00:47:09.200 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - October 25, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Has the golden age for Jews in Canada come to an end？ A special interview with Barbara Kay

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