Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Hold The Line： A feature interview with Tamara Lich

00:00:00.060 Hello, my Rebels. Very special show today. Tamara Leach is on. She was the leader of the Trucker 0.88

00:00:06.080 Convoy, the biggest news story in 2022. But the news stories will keep coming in 2023. You know,

00:00:12.240 she still hasn't had her criminal trial yet. They're really treating her like a political 0.63

00:00:16.760 prisoner. There's no other word for it. Anyways, her book is doing amazingly well, and we're going

00:00:21.940 to talk with her about it in an extended interview. I think people genuinely want to hear the other

00:00:28.060 side of the story. They do not trust what the media party has said. You will hear directly from her,

00:00:34.280 and if you're moved to do so, of course, you can get the book yourself. But before I get onto that

00:00:41.680 interview, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus. That's the video version of

00:00:46.300 this podcast. Just go to rebelnewsplus.com, click subscribe. It's eight bucks a month. I do this

00:00:51.460 show every weekday. And as you know, we don't get any money from the government. We don't get any

00:00:56.240 money from YouTube, so we really are dependent on you, our faithful viewers. All right, here's today's

00:01:01.720 podcast.

00:01:17.380 Tonight, a one-on-one feature interview with Tamara Leach, author of the best-selling book,

00:01:23.560 Hold the Line, published by Rebel News. It's April 27th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:33.040 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:01:44.620 You know the number one news story in Canada in 2022. It was the trucker convoy,

00:01:52.660 a grassroots, authentic uprising of ordinary Canadians, rather leaderless, certainly without

00:01:59.480 funding. Crowdfunding attempts were seized or frozen or rebuffed by the government.

00:02:05.600 But frankly, that only added to the mystique of the truckers. They were beholden to no one,

00:02:12.280 no political party or super PAC behind them. They inspired the nation. They snapped us

00:02:18.640 out of the false consciousness that everyone agreed with the way things were going.

00:02:23.300 They, in the instant,

00:02:26.780 crystallized a civil liberties crisis

00:02:29.760 when Justin Trudeau panicked

00:02:32.040 and evoked the Emergencies Act. But in so doing,

00:02:35.780 they succeeded by revealing Trudeau as the tyrant

00:02:38.780 that he is, and I think

00:02:40.840 set the stage in the medium term

00:02:43.180 for his downfall. I believe that when the history books are finally written,

00:02:47.920 his greatest opponent won't have been

00:02:50.180 Aaron O'Toole, Andrew Scheer, or

00:02:52.140 Pierre Polyev,

00:02:53.060 but rather the truckers. Now, I said the truckers were rather

00:02:55.980 leaderless, and I think there's a lot of

00:02:57.480 truth to that. Truckers, by nature,

00:02:59.800 are independent-minded.

00:03:01.920 They're people who spend a lot of time

00:03:03.600 thinking about things as they drive

00:03:05.560 in their trucks.

00:03:06.640 But as the

00:03:08.100 convoys converged

00:03:09.960 in Ottawa, a handful of voices became

00:03:13.100 known as, if not the

00:03:15.060 organizational leaders, at least the

00:03:18.400 spiritual leaders of the

00:03:21.280 convoy. And I think

00:03:22.500 by far the woman with the most following

00:03:25.200 and who best reflected

00:03:27.220 the goals of the convoy

00:03:29.560 was Tamara Leach.

00:03:31.940 As you know, Tamara

00:03:33.100 was arrested, held

00:03:35.440 in prison for a month and a half

00:03:37.660 on an incitement to mischief

00:03:39.720 charge. She was

00:03:41.260 persecuted by a zealous

00:03:43.320 prosecutor known for his

00:03:44.920 hefty donations to the Liberal Party,

00:03:47.220 and yet

00:03:47.600 she maintained her composure

00:03:49.800 and good faith

00:03:50.640 the whole time.

00:03:52.620 She was slapped with bail

00:03:54.000 conditions that made it so

00:03:55.440 she couldn't speak

00:03:56.780 candidly, couldn't even travel

00:03:58.860 into certain places without

00:04:00.720 her lawyers.

00:04:02.220 But I'm delighted to say

00:04:04.080 that in one of the greatest

00:04:05.060 achievements that Rebel News has had

00:04:06.920 in our eight years, Tamara

00:04:09.060 Leach has agreed to publish

00:04:10.980 her memoirs, her autobiography,

00:04:13.240 a book that's part history book

00:04:15.200 and part inside story

00:04:17.120 and all autobiographical

00:04:18.600 about those momentous days

00:04:21.840 and about who she herself is.

00:04:25.260 The book is called

00:04:26.220 Hold the Line, and it's her story

00:04:29.140 from the heart of the trucker convoy,

00:04:30.840 and she joins us now via Skype

00:04:32.700 from her home in Medicine Hat.

00:04:34.860 Tamara Leach, it's a pleasure

00:04:36.400 to have you on the show.

00:04:37.860 I've enjoyed getting to know you

00:04:39.100 a little bit over the recent weeks.

00:04:40.960 I am extremely excited

00:04:42.480 that we are publishing

00:04:44.380 your autobiography,

00:04:45.360 and I couldn't be prouder

00:04:46.880 that it hit number one

00:04:49.260 on the Amazon.ca bestseller list

00:04:51.740 in its very first day.

00:04:55.040 Crazy.

00:04:56.280 I'm still stunned, actually.

00:04:58.060 I never anticipated

00:04:58.980 it would take off that quickly.

00:05:01.340 So thank you and everybody

00:05:02.680 at Rebel, too,

00:05:03.480 for all your help.

00:05:04.800 This has just been

00:05:05.500 an amazing, amazing journey.

00:05:08.500 Well, it's an excellent book,

00:05:10.560 and I don't want to say

00:05:11.820 that I'm surprised by that.

00:05:13.140 I mean, I knew it would be excellent.

00:05:14.800 I mean, you have a lot

00:05:15.640 of thoughtful things to say,

00:05:17.180 but it's genuinely,

00:05:19.840 there's details in there

00:05:21.500 that have never been written

00:05:23.220 or published before.

00:05:24.860 I think you show your heart.

00:05:26.860 You're kinder, I think,

00:05:29.180 than many people would be

00:05:30.980 having been through

00:05:31.880 what you've been through.

00:05:33.700 And I think your love

00:05:35.740 for country is what shows through.

00:05:37.340 And again, I think other people

00:05:38.740 having been through

00:05:39.540 what you went through

00:05:40.560 would come out maybe sour

00:05:42.500 or hostile or combative.

00:05:45.580 I think you met hate with love.

00:05:47.980 I say that as, you know,

00:05:49.660 we published the book,

00:05:50.660 obviously we like it,

00:05:51.580 but the book surprised me

00:05:53.420 a little bit.

00:05:54.100 Well, I'm not a very angry person.

00:06:01.120 I don't think that

00:06:02.420 that's how you solve problems

00:06:04.020 is by getting angry

00:06:05.440 and stomping your feet

00:06:06.480 and being bitter.

00:06:07.920 I always, from day one,

00:06:10.020 maintained that we were going

00:06:11.700 to Ottawa in peace.

00:06:13.780 We were just calling for love

00:06:15.600 and unity and respecting

00:06:17.180 the police officers.

00:06:18.880 We just wanted to be heard.

00:06:20.660 And, you know,

00:06:21.740 sitting through the POEC

00:06:22.920 and all the stuff

00:06:23.880 that we've been through since,

00:06:25.380 I come away with thinking

00:06:27.000 with the same point of view

00:06:28.340 that we did everything right.

00:06:30.720 You know, we saw the risks involved

00:06:32.520 and we mitigated them

00:06:33.620 at every turn.

00:06:35.100 And I'm proud.

00:06:37.180 I'm very proud of the people

00:06:39.920 that I've been fortunate enough

00:06:41.540 to work with

00:06:42.160 throughout this last year and a half.

00:06:44.200 We've become like family.

00:06:46.020 I'm very grateful

00:06:47.300 that I have an opportunity

00:06:48.580 to share my story,

00:06:50.580 what my experience was like in Ottawa,

00:06:52.520 and how, like my perspective.

00:06:55.440 And I think people were curious about it.

00:06:57.980 So I think they'll,

00:06:59.200 I think it'll answer a lot of questions

00:07:00.520 for a lot of people.

00:07:02.000 You know, I think it will.

00:07:03.920 And I think it is a kind of fact check,

00:07:07.060 not just on the government,

00:07:08.560 but on the regime media.

00:07:10.560 I mean, let me give you one example.

00:07:12.120 I mean, I only met you in recent months

00:07:14.540 and I had heard that you were Métis.

00:07:18.300 And I mean, in some ways,

00:07:19.940 that's irrelevant.

00:07:20.640 If you were black or white or whatever,

00:07:22.500 it doesn't matter.

00:07:23.200 You're a Canadian.

00:07:24.260 But I know that in our current media culture,

00:07:27.300 if someone is indigenous,

00:07:29.200 that's an interesting plus

00:07:32.200 that shows that they're part

00:07:33.740 of a diverse movement and tolerant.

00:07:36.080 And it's a plus that,

00:07:37.840 you know, journalists mention.

00:07:40.060 And the only thing I read

00:07:41.700 about your indigenous background

00:07:43.400 was that it was in question.

00:07:46.160 And you treat that in the book

00:07:47.900 and you say, it's not in question.

00:07:49.900 It's absolutely true.

00:07:51.980 But even the Aboriginal People's TV Network,

00:07:55.660 which should have cheered you on as a champion,

00:07:58.560 it was almost like they knew

00:08:00.120 their mission was to discredit you

00:08:02.000 even on something as basic

00:08:04.180 as your ethnic identity.

00:08:07.620 Reading your book

00:08:08.980 was an enormous fact check.

00:08:10.880 Almost everything I had read about you

00:08:13.580 through the mainstream media

00:08:15.360 turned out to be false.

00:08:19.340 That's correct.

00:08:20.600 I think that was one of the greatest things

00:08:22.560 that we exposed in Ottawa

00:08:23.940 was the fact that

00:08:25.800 the narrative that was crafted,

00:08:28.040 they were crafting.

00:08:29.200 And as you saw,

00:08:30.240 when the evidence came out at the POEC,

00:08:32.420 that narrative was crafted

00:08:33.940 before I even met Chris Barber in person.

00:08:36.280 And that was January the 24th.

00:08:38.360 So they already had a whole narrative crafted.

00:08:41.300 I think the convoy exposed them

00:08:44.060 for what they are.

00:08:45.800 And I know, speaking for myself

00:08:47.780 and on behalf of a lot of the other organizers,

00:08:50.660 we are so grateful to organizations

00:08:53.700 like Rebel News and True North

00:08:56.940 and all the, like Rupus and Mariana,

00:08:59.500 all the journalists 0.97

00:09:00.860 that actually got off their butts 0.60

00:09:02.540 and went down and talked to people 0.89

00:09:05.720 and recognized immediately

00:09:07.400 that what they were seeing on the ground

00:09:09.240 was not what they were seeing on the news.

00:09:11.460 And that is to your credit.

00:09:14.680 Well, thank you for that.

00:09:16.360 But it's just astonishing

00:09:18.100 because most, I mean, listen,

00:09:19.140 I'm proud of Rebel News

00:09:20.100 and we covered the trucker convoy

00:09:21.500 pretty comprehensively.

00:09:24.000 But most Canadians still get their news

00:09:27.480 from traditional sources.

00:09:28.800 The CBC is in decline,

00:09:30.480 but it still is huge.

00:09:32.240 And CTV and Global

00:09:33.500 and the Toronto Star

00:09:34.480 and Globe and Mail,

00:09:35.820 they, I got a question for you.

00:09:38.460 Have you,

00:09:39.400 and maybe the answer is yes, by the way,

00:09:41.540 have you ever been interviewed

00:09:43.180 on a CBC television program?

00:09:45.660 Have you ever been invited?

00:09:48.140 You're shaking your head no.

00:09:50.320 You, you, you've never.

00:09:51.400 Not since then.

00:09:52.460 I, I know I had emails

00:09:54.220 from CTV's Glenn McGregor.

00:09:56.640 Oh, he's extremely hostile to you.

00:10:00.000 He's something else.

00:10:00.820 But how about, okay.

00:10:01.740 And I'm glad you mentioned that.

00:10:02.840 So he, I mean,

00:10:03.560 I think he was probably trying to trap you,

00:10:05.040 but you know, you're a newsmaker.

00:10:07.380 And again, the fact that you're a woman

00:10:09.600 is, is interesting,

00:10:10.700 but it's not the story here.

00:10:13.340 It's, it's a,

00:10:14.240 it's an interesting addition to the story.

00:10:15.760 And again, if you were on the other side

00:10:17.760 of the ideological spectrum,

00:10:19.760 you would be,

00:10:21.060 look at this woman leader, 1.00

00:10:23.260 young, indigenous woman fighting the world.

00:10:26.580 Like it would be,

00:10:27.820 they would sing your praises.

00:10:29.320 You would be given honorary degrees at university.

00:10:32.620 You would be invited to,

00:10:34.480 to give a TED talk or something.

00:10:37.220 Well, it checks all their boxes, you know.

00:10:39.680 And that's not the most,

00:10:41.180 the most important thing is what you did.

00:10:42.840 But I'm just thinking of how the media,

00:10:47.700 if they covered you at all,

00:10:49.440 came out to destroy you.

00:10:50.880 Are you, sorry,

00:10:51.360 let me just ask it clearly.

00:10:52.520 Cause Glenn,

00:10:52.980 you said Glenn McGregor reached out to you once

00:10:54.680 and he's,

00:10:55.140 he's sort of a muck raking CTV reporter

00:10:58.060 who extremely partisan.

00:10:59.820 But how about any of the,

00:11:01.060 the talk shows?

00:11:02.100 Like CBC has a panel called At Issue

00:11:04.540 hosted by Rosemary Barton

00:11:06.240 and,

00:11:06.780 or,

00:11:07.820 or see,

00:11:08.860 you know,

00:11:09.300 there were some,

00:11:10.420 there are some talk shows,

00:11:11.800 Global has them,

00:11:12.600 CTV has them,

00:11:13.520 where they have newsmakers on

00:11:15.320 and ask them questions.

00:11:16.360 Were you ever invited on any of these panel shows?

00:11:20.900 And maybe you were,

00:11:21.600 I just don't know if you were.

00:11:24.120 No,

00:11:24.520 I haven't.

00:11:25.080 Never once.

00:11:26.040 With the exception of,

00:11:26.580 while I was in Ottawa,

00:11:28.140 I,

00:11:28.380 I was approached by a gentleman

00:11:29.840 from the Fifth Estate.

00:11:31.220 Okay.

00:11:32.300 And I think,

00:11:33.060 you probably saw that.

00:11:34.340 I believe they had James Bowder

00:11:35.580 and Pat King on their show.

00:11:37.240 I declined.

00:11:38.920 When they asked me,

00:11:40.200 cause I wasn't obviously at that point,

00:11:42.000 this was a week or two into the protest.

00:11:44.420 Uh,

00:11:45.800 actually I think it was the day

00:11:46.840 the Emergency Act was invoked

00:11:48.240 and I did that press conference

00:11:49.580 with the Honorable Brian Peckford

00:11:51.340 and he approached me,

00:11:53.080 this gentleman approached me

00:11:53.940 from the Fifth Estate after that

00:11:55.320 and I just said,

00:11:56.080 no,

00:11:56.220 thank you.

00:11:56.840 And again,

00:11:57.520 the Fifth Estate,

00:11:58.480 not really a panel show,

00:12:00.260 they're an investigative,

00:12:01.440 they're basically a hit team

00:12:03.240 to,

00:12:03.820 to go.

00:12:04.560 And I,

00:12:05.020 so I appreciate you telling me that

00:12:06.520 because I did ask,

00:12:07.580 did any reach out?

00:12:09.040 But if the only,

00:12:10.140 so,

00:12:10.420 so you were never invited on a CBC panel,

00:12:12.560 like they've got this news,

00:12:13.600 this 24 hour news channel

00:12:15.180 and they have 24 hour radio,

00:12:18.320 they,

00:12:18.540 they've got a lot of different channels.

00:12:21.020 No one ever said,

00:12:22.300 hey,

00:12:22.540 here's the woman at the heart of this thing.

00:12:24.320 She's also an indigenous woman

00:12:26.320 from the West,

00:12:27.860 uh,

00:12:28.900 who's suddenly become this leader

00:12:30.580 of this movement.

00:12:32.040 Let's ask her some,

00:12:33.040 let's ask her some tough questions.

00:12:34.660 Let's,

00:12:35.080 let's ask her some really good questions

00:12:36.600 that never,

00:12:37.380 never once.

00:12:38.520 I think you're the newsmaker of the year.

00:12:41.140 The truckers were surely

00:12:42.240 the story of the year.

00:12:44.420 They would rather write about you

00:12:45.880 than talk to you

00:12:46.720 because you might give answers

00:12:48.040 they didn't want.

00:12:49.500 Well,

00:12:49.800 it wouldn't fit their narrative.

00:12:51.100 Yeah.

00:12:51.680 I find that incredible.

00:12:53.400 I find that just incredible.

00:12:54.820 And I mentioned the indigenous thing

00:12:56.200 because,

00:12:56.540 I mean,

00:12:56.900 because I just know

00:12:59.120 that if you were a Trudeau

00:13:01.220 supporting indigenous woman,

00:13:03.780 you,

00:13:04.100 you would,

00:13:04.760 the sky would be the limit.

00:13:05.580 You'd probably be in the Senate right now.

00:13:07.660 You know,

00:13:08.380 you absolutely would.

00:13:09.700 Well,

00:13:09.920 that,

00:13:10.180 that,

00:13:10.480 they would be,

00:13:10.940 they'd be parading me around Canada,

00:13:12.760 giving me medals.

00:13:13.480 And I mean,

00:13:14.180 that's,

00:13:14.500 that's the,

00:13:15.480 that's the tragedy of,

00:13:17.240 of this whole thing.

00:13:18.200 I mean,

00:13:19.240 I do check a lot of their boxes,

00:13:20.640 but because I don't fall on the same side

00:13:23.660 of the spectrum politically as they do.

00:13:25.780 I mean,

00:13:26.180 they question,

00:13:27.280 they question my heritage.

00:13:28.340 They accused me basically of lying

00:13:30.180 or at least insinuated that I was lying.

00:13:31.960 That was crazy.

00:13:32.700 And I,

00:13:33.300 I mean,

00:13:33.480 I'm not going to say I believe them,

00:13:34.740 but boy,

00:13:35.080 they kicked out such a fuss

00:13:36.120 that even I myself,

00:13:37.140 your book set me straight on that.

00:13:40.360 And,

00:13:40.960 and on so many things,

00:13:42.080 I don't think people know how much of a logistics organizer you were.

00:13:47.000 I just didn't know that you,

00:13:48.760 I mean,

00:13:49.120 to me,

00:13:49.720 when I saw you,

00:13:50.580 I saw you give these emotionally,

00:13:52.320 uh,

00:13:53.620 encouraging Facebook videos along the way,

00:13:56.920 sort of like a daily update.

00:13:58.480 They almost felt like healing messages.

00:14:02.200 I didn't know you're also a tough as nails logistics boss.

00:14:05.460 I just didn't know that about you.

00:14:07.240 Tell our viewers a little bit about where did you get this organizational skill from?

00:14:10.920 Cause not everyone can,

00:14:13.200 it's like an air traffic controller or,

00:14:15.000 you know,

00:14:15.180 spinning plates.

00:14:16.200 You got 20 things on the go.

00:14:18.340 Uh,

00:14:18.780 you know,

00:14:19.060 I think an ordinary person would be overwhelmed,

00:14:21.180 would get bogged down in emails,

00:14:23.080 would forget about things.

00:14:24.020 How did you stay on top of this army that was like assembling and asking you for guidance?

00:14:33.800 Uh,

00:14:34.400 yeah,

00:14:34.720 it was pretty crazy.

00:14:35.880 I,

00:14:36.240 I got involved in logistics,

00:14:37.740 um,

00:14:38.780 through the oil and gas industry actually.

00:14:40.920 And it was through working in the fracturing department that I,

00:14:45.800 I discovered I was really good at it.

00:14:47.800 And at that time we didn't really have cell phones.

00:14:50.180 So I had memorized all the employees numbers,

00:14:54.300 the managers numbers,

00:14:55.380 like all the service industries that we use,

00:14:58.020 the sales guys in Ottawa,

00:14:59.940 you know,

00:15:00.360 I,

00:15:00.660 I,

00:15:01.060 I was organizing personnel and equipment and specific jobs.

00:15:05.840 And so I,

00:15:07.860 I was sad.

00:15:08.760 I just,

00:15:09.040 I really love doing it.

00:15:10.000 And,

00:15:10.220 and,

00:15:10.720 uh,

00:15:10.820 and I turned out to be good at it and it turns out I can multitask really well.

00:15:15.200 So it,

00:15:16.400 it's a passion of mine.

00:15:17.540 I,

00:15:17.700 I work really good under pressure.

00:15:19.760 I,

00:15:20.440 I,

00:15:20.820 I found that I worked really well,

00:15:22.320 you know,

00:15:22.660 with deadlines and,

00:15:24.680 um,

00:15:25.040 I,

00:15:25.280 I had a very successful logistics career in oil and gas.

00:15:28.600 And as you know,

00:15:29.480 in Alberta,

00:15:30.540 when it's booming,

00:15:31.580 it was busy,

00:15:33.420 like really busy.

00:15:35.640 Yeah.

00:15:36.420 Well,

00:15:36.920 and you would have,

00:15:38.160 if you're dealing in the frack business,

00:15:39.560 I mean,

00:15:39.980 fracking,

00:15:40.580 there's a lot of trucks,

00:15:42.140 there's a lot of truckers,

00:15:43.860 you know?

00:15:44.500 And so the kind of people who like independent minded,

00:15:49.120 slightly cowboy,

00:15:50.920 you know,

00:15:51.360 rambunctious,

00:15:52.200 maybe,

00:15:53.000 uh,

00:15:53.200 not too politically correct,

00:15:54.680 maybe big guys like that's, 0.57

00:15:56.800 you could call it a men's world.

00:15:58.420 I,

00:15:58.900 I,

00:15:59.120 I think it's fair to say,

00:16:00.420 but you fit right in and you weren't intimidated by the big lads.

00:16:04.180 You were sort of the one boss and them around,

00:16:05.960 you were again,

00:16:06.960 what the left would call a girl boss. 1.00

00:16:08.940 You just,

00:16:09.680 you'd always done that.

00:16:11.040 And so you fit right in as a really a logistics captain.

00:16:15.180 I mean,

00:16:15.380 I can only imagine you've got hundreds,

00:16:17.820 even thousands of trucks.

00:16:19.480 Okay.

00:16:19.580 Well,

00:16:19.720 where are they going to get gas?

00:16:21.080 Where are they going to get food?

00:16:22.500 Where are they going to stop for the night for the ones who,

00:16:24.820 who can't sleep in their cat or the ones who can't like,

00:16:27.580 I,

00:16:28.000 once you start thinking about these,

00:16:29.560 where are you going to park when you get to Ottawa,

00:16:31.660 where are you going to go then?

00:16:32.880 Like those are real problems that need to be solved and solved quickly.

00:16:37.500 Especially like a lot of that stuff had to be done kind of on the fly

00:16:42.460 because we didn't know when we started,

00:16:45.700 how big this was going to grow.

00:16:47.180 So when we pulled into Arnprior on the 28th of January,

00:16:49.820 we were a hundred kilometers long.

00:16:51.780 So,

00:16:52.660 you know,

00:16:53.000 there's the safety aspect,

00:16:54.420 not like keeping the truckers safe,

00:16:56.060 but also,

00:16:56.860 you know,

00:16:57.520 keeping the,

00:16:58.160 the,

00:16:58.420 the supporters that were on the side of the road.

00:17:00.400 Say,

00:17:00.600 I mean,

00:17:00.800 they were coming right out onto the highway,

00:17:02.960 tossing food in our windows,

00:17:04.520 you know?

00:17:04.820 So there was a lot of aspects that occurred.

00:17:07.500 Like in real time on the ground that we had to mitigate and rips and

00:17:11.560 everything.

00:17:11.880 And again,

00:17:12.920 like I can't say enough about the people that I,

00:17:15.320 I worked with here.

00:17:16.460 I mean,

00:17:16.700 they were just,

00:17:17.280 they were all professional.

00:17:18.360 You nailed it.

00:17:19.640 Truckers are independent minded.

00:17:22.000 They're very strong.

00:17:23.680 They don't like being told what to do.

00:17:26.600 And,

00:17:27.160 and they're just so resilient.

00:17:28.740 And in this case,

00:17:30.880 heroes,

00:17:31.580 they're heroes.

00:17:32.680 Yeah.

00:17:33.120 You know,

00:17:33.660 I think people trust truckers because I mean,

00:17:37.140 there's other professions that people have raised an eyebrow,

00:17:39.340 like lawyers,

00:17:40.520 journalists,

00:17:41.160 politicians,

00:17:42.300 you know,

00:17:42.720 the,

00:17:43.080 uh,

00:17:43.980 you know,

00:17:44.280 people joke about used car salesmen and,

00:17:46.980 and maybe that's unfair,

00:17:47.920 but no one looks,

00:17:50.040 no one thinks a trucker is trying to trick me.

00:17:52.820 They think the trucker is the guy working hard.

00:17:55.420 I'm tired.

00:17:56.300 I need to pull over,

00:17:57.360 uh,

00:17:58.080 to get a night's sleep on the motel.

00:17:59.480 That trucker still has miles to go before he sleeps.

00:18:02.620 I,

00:18:03.260 I'm lonely.

00:18:04.420 Well,

00:18:04.780 yeah,

00:18:04.980 well that trucker is on the road for,

00:18:07.680 you know,

00:18:07.820 I mean all because people know it's hard work.

00:18:11.080 He's not slacking.

00:18:12.520 You can't slack off as a trucker.

00:18:14.140 You got to pay attention.

00:18:15.580 And I don't know.

00:18:17.120 I think people admire truckers.

00:18:18.680 And so if the,

00:18:19.680 there was a moral clean cleanliness to them and people knew they were not like,

00:18:25.360 if you have a bunch of lawyers doing something,

00:18:27.240 well,

00:18:27.440 who's organized them?

00:18:28.400 What are they being promised?

00:18:29.980 Did the justice minister say,

00:18:31.380 Hey,

00:18:31.480 I need your help.

00:18:32.140 And if you help me,

00:18:33.200 I'll appoint you to be a judge.

00:18:34.540 Like there's always some other story when a lawyer is doing something,

00:18:38.020 but when a trucker is doing something,

00:18:40.220 everyone took it at face value.

00:18:41.580 I think it was so important.

00:18:42.920 And by the way,

00:18:44.000 you have a hundred miles of truck.

00:18:45.940 That is a bloody amazing sight to see.

00:18:48.760 Let me ask you a question.

00:18:49.640 What part of the country gave the most exciting welcome?

00:18:55.100 Because by the time these trucks came to Toronto,

00:18:57.400 I'm going to guess maybe a million Canadians firsthand saw the trucks.

00:19:04.560 They were,

00:19:04.900 they were going over the 401.

00:19:06.660 People were watching in busy Toronto.

00:19:09.560 They wanted to see this phenomenon.

00:19:13.600 And I think they wanted to see it with their own eyes because they knew the media was sort of telling,

00:19:18.680 you know,

00:19:19.660 porkies about it.

00:19:20.640 And,

00:19:20.940 and they wanted to see,

00:19:22.140 is it real?

00:19:24.000 And you see 20 miles of truck go by,

00:19:26.300 you think,

00:19:26.760 holy,

00:19:27.260 it's real.

00:19:28.800 I'm not the only one who's got some questions.

00:19:31.440 I thought I was alone.

00:19:34.220 Here's an endless convoy of truckers who says I'm not alone.

00:19:38.020 And if that's what the truckers say,

00:19:39.720 surely other people,

00:19:40.640 like it was,

00:19:41.580 I was amazed by how many people came out and watched where,

00:19:45.160 give me an anecdote.

00:19:46.000 Tell me a story of a place you went that you thought,

00:19:49.320 whoa,

00:19:50.180 this is really connecting.

00:19:52.140 Absolutely.

00:19:54.540 Hands down.

00:19:55.880 Manitoba.

00:19:57.020 When we got through Headingley,

00:19:59.860 well,

00:20:00.080 when we got to Headingley and all around the perimeter,

00:20:03.220 way out to the other side,

00:20:04.880 almost to the Ontario border,

00:20:06.540 believe it or not,

00:20:07.720 was thousands and thousands of supporters.

00:20:12.620 And,

00:20:12.880 you know,

00:20:13.900 by this time already,

00:20:14.960 we knew that we were growing and,

00:20:16.400 and,

00:20:16.860 you know,

00:20:17.420 the momentum was really growing,

00:20:19.280 but I,

00:20:19.920 I mean,

00:20:20.360 I've,

00:20:20.540 I've said this before,

00:20:21.620 but,

00:20:22.140 you know,

00:20:22.620 we're driving down the highway and I look out the window and to my

00:20:26.360 right is native dancers drumming in their full regalia,

00:20:31.360 standing beside a group of young Sikh gentlemen who were standing

00:20:34.860 beside Hutterite women and children with holding signs and beside nuns in

00:20:40.820 full habits,

00:20:41.640 Catholic nuns.

00:20:42.480 Like that is,

00:20:43.760 that was one of the most profound moments for me because I realized the unity

00:20:50.160 that we were seeing that we hadn't seen in so long,

00:20:53.700 you know,

00:20:54.260 it didn't matter what color your skin was,

00:20:56.600 what God you worshiped,

00:20:57.820 how much money you earned in a year,

00:20:59.900 which part of the country you were from.

00:21:01.740 You were just a Canadian and we were celebrating that again.

00:21:06.720 And,

00:21:06.960 and that's what it was.

00:21:07.860 You know,

00:21:08.140 the people on the roads were celebrating that hope again and being,

00:21:13.300 feeling proud of our country again.

00:21:15.460 You know,

00:21:16.400 there was,

00:21:17.160 after all the last few years,

00:21:20.080 there's been so much division.

00:21:22.180 It's been,

00:21:23.060 you know,

00:21:23.760 labels against labels constantly.

00:21:26.560 And,

00:21:27.120 and we just crushed it.

00:21:29.020 Canadians crushed it.

00:21:30.480 Yeah.

00:21:30.880 You know,

00:21:31.480 there was a feeling of love in the air.

00:21:33.240 I,

00:21:33.520 when I went to Ottawa,

00:21:34.400 I was there only for a few days myself,

00:21:36.280 but there was a festival feeling.

00:21:38.420 It almost had like a Canada day patriotic feeling.

00:21:42.040 I,

00:21:42.620 I,

00:21:43.400 when I first arrived,

00:21:44.320 people were driving in the streets,

00:21:45.620 like,

00:21:46.160 you know,

00:21:46.800 an NHL,

00:21:48.460 almost like the Stanley cup finals and your team won.

00:21:50.920 Like people were just whooping it up,

00:21:52.700 driving around,

00:21:53.480 cheering.

00:21:53.760 Like there was a feeling of harmony.

00:21:57.520 And,

00:21:57.640 and I imagine in a way it would have felt a little bit like,

00:22:00.680 Woodstock would have felt,

00:22:02.420 you know,

00:22:02.740 60 years ago.

00:22:04.900 You mentioned ethnic diversity.

00:22:07.080 I didn't know there were so many South Asian and indigenous truck drivers.

00:22:11.180 Like there's a ton of Sikhs who drove trucks. 1.00

00:22:14.000 And,

00:22:14.200 and I really enjoyed seeing their political commentary.

00:22:18.040 I became friends with one protester named Palminder Singh,

00:22:22.120 who,

00:22:22.440 who's very,

00:22:23.200 you know,

00:22:23.380 you can,

00:22:23.960 he's got this beautiful golden turban and he so loves freedom.

00:22:28.120 And we've had him on the show before.

00:22:29.800 I got to know Canadians from walks of life.

00:22:33.860 I had never would have got to know before.

00:22:36.260 There were a ton of Quebecers because of course,

00:22:38.240 Ottawa was just across the river from Quebec.

00:22:40.680 So a ton of Quebec drivers.

00:22:42.500 It was,

00:22:43.500 and again,

00:22:45.080 it,

00:22:45.580 it,

00:22:45.880 this was heartening.

00:22:47.360 I know if it was the other side's protests,

00:22:49.860 they would,

00:22:50.360 they would be hamming up how diverse it was.

00:22:52.260 And that's not the point.

00:22:53.580 The point is they were there for freedom.

00:22:55.540 We,

00:22:55.660 there was a commonality,

00:22:56.620 but I have to say there,

00:22:59.260 there were people from every background united by their love for freedom.

00:23:04.400 It was one of the most pro Canada.

00:23:09.040 It was a warm,

00:23:10.220 it was so bloody cold,

00:23:11.240 but it was a warm feeling.

00:23:13.240 And there was a feeling of brotherhood.

00:23:15.460 And I know I'm sounding a little bit misty eyed here,

00:23:18.620 but that is honestly how it felt.

00:23:20.640 And I wasn't in the center of it.

00:23:22.040 I was at the periphery.

00:23:23.160 I can only imagine what it was like to be at the hub of all these spokes.

00:23:29.100 It was,

00:23:30.100 it was beautiful.

00:23:31.840 It was emotional.

00:23:34.420 It was heavy.

00:23:36.560 You know,

00:23:37.440 at the POEC in my testimony,

00:23:39.960 I said,

00:23:40.680 I have the tears of thousands of Canadians on my shoulder.

00:23:44.720 And it's so true.

00:23:46.100 I mean,

00:23:47.380 the,

00:23:47.540 the Facebook is the text messages that we received every stop that we made,

00:23:53.480 you know,

00:23:53.980 people were hugging us and crying and thanking us and telling us their stories.

00:23:58.120 And it,

00:24:00.120 it definitely,

00:24:01.560 I think I had a big heart before,

00:24:03.540 but it,

00:24:04.140 it definitely made it swell.

00:24:06.500 I just have so much compassion for these people.

00:24:09.940 You know,

00:24:10.360 we all suffered.

00:24:11.460 That was two years of,

00:24:12.780 of a tyranny and you nailed it earlier.

00:24:16.160 You know,

00:24:16.740 it was so organic that people just got up off their couches in their communities.

00:24:22.340 They didn't phone their friends and organize things.

00:24:24.900 People just got off their couches,

00:24:27.240 collected their families,

00:24:29.040 walked out to the highway and then saw all these people and thought,

00:24:33.560 you know,

00:24:34.100 they weren't alone or they weren't going crazy.

00:24:36.820 You know,

00:24:37.100 what it was.

00:24:37.640 It was,

00:24:38.300 they had felt alone for a few reasons.

00:24:40.380 First of all,

00:24:40.700 they were told to be alone.

00:24:42.360 They were told,

00:24:42.900 don't go to church.

00:24:43.640 Don't go to synagogue. 0.99

00:24:44.480 Don't go to funerals or weddings.

00:24:45.960 Don't go to the gym.

00:24:46.960 Don't go to a restaurant.

00:24:48.320 Stay at home.

00:24:49.020 Six feet of separation.

00:24:50.540 Don't have Christmas dinner.

00:24:51.740 Don't have Thanksgiving.

00:24:52.560 They,

00:24:52.800 first of all,

00:24:53.180 they made us feel alone.

00:24:54.700 Then they forced us to get our information through the internet and TV.

00:24:58.060 And there was a,

00:24:59.320 they enforced a unanimity there.

00:25:01.080 So you felt alone.

00:25:02.720 And who could you check with?

00:25:05.740 Well,

00:25:06.000 every single institution in society was repeating the official line.

00:25:10.500 That's the independent nature of the truckers gave people proof that they were not going crazy.

00:25:16.640 Like if you thought everyone else in the world was mad or you were mad,

00:25:22.180 a rational person would say,

00:25:23.440 no,

00:25:24.380 I'm crazy.

00:25:25.120 If I'm the only guy in the world who thinks this way, 0.99

00:25:28.060 it must be me who's nuts. 0.95

00:25:29.800 No, 0.96

00:25:30.180 turns out it was the system that was nuts.

00:25:32.400 I don't know.

00:25:32.720 I,

00:25:33.000 I,

00:25:33.480 I absolutely know what you mean.

00:25:36.100 You gave you and the truckers were visual proof that people were not alone.

00:25:41.000 Hey,

00:25:41.180 I got a question for you.

00:25:42.320 And one of the things I thought was interesting in the book is how closely you and the other organizers worked with police the whole way across,

00:25:54.360 like,

00:25:54.480 not just in Ottawa,

00:25:55.680 where you were in regular contact,

00:25:58.420 but all along the highways.

00:25:59.900 Like you say,

00:26:00.540 you got a hundred kilometers worth of trucks coming.

00:26:03.860 Well,

00:26:05.020 you better talk to the highway patrol.

00:26:07.020 You,

00:26:07.160 they better be ready.

00:26:08.040 And,

00:26:08.340 and tell me about that because to me,

00:26:11.920 that shows two things.

00:26:13.080 It shows the logistics,

00:26:14.700 the planning,

00:26:15.140 the organization,

00:26:16.160 planning to make sure things go right,

00:26:17.860 not just crossing your fingers.

00:26:19.140 But it also shows that you were not rogues.

00:26:24.020 In fact,

00:26:24.720 once you got to Ottawa,

00:26:25.820 there was this enormous effort.

00:26:28.020 And the book describes this in great detail to be compliant,

00:26:32.040 to move away from residential areas,

00:26:35.020 to,

00:26:35.200 to clear lanes,

00:26:36.480 to do things,

00:26:37.860 to stop antagonizing ordinary people,

00:26:41.920 even though I think there were some professional complainers in Ottawa.

00:26:44.920 I read the book and I thought,

00:26:47.360 wow,

00:26:47.960 if you were to believe the CBC,

00:26:50.160 you would think that these were rioting revolutionaries,

00:26:54.620 Canada's January 6th uprising moment.

00:26:57.360 But to read the book,

00:26:58.960 there was really nothing you did that wasn't telegraphed in advance to police

00:27:05.320 to ask their advice,

00:27:07.200 to get their help,

00:27:08.120 to put them at ease.

00:27:11.440 Exactly.

00:27:12.060 And that's why,

00:27:12.760 you know,

00:27:13.100 at the inquiry,

00:27:13.960 I kept hearing people testify,

00:27:15.400 well,

00:27:15.800 we thought they were going to leave in two days.

00:27:17.780 Like,

00:27:18.160 where did you even get that from?

00:27:20.540 I've,

00:27:21.080 I never said that on any lives.

00:27:22.840 Like,

00:27:23.180 I mean,

00:27:23.440 who in their right mind thought we were going to travel for five days,

00:27:26.240 stay for two,

00:27:26.740 and then come home.

00:27:28.260 It's crazy.

00:27:29.100 But to,

00:27:30.140 to your question,

00:27:30.920 it was within just a few days after we started organizing and people,

00:27:35.700 the support started coming in and the money,

00:27:37.680 the donations started coming in.

00:27:39.200 And I said to the captains,

00:27:41.140 the road captains,

00:27:41.840 I said,

00:27:42.140 we need to start reaching out to all of our local RCMP or,

00:27:46.300 or city municipal police,

00:27:48.060 whatever,

00:27:48.280 and start letting them know,

00:27:50.000 you know,

00:27:50.280 when we're going to be coming through.

00:27:51.600 And so we decided that each road captain would be responsible for their own

00:27:56.060 areas.

00:27:56.480 So,

00:27:56.880 so for example,

00:27:57.880 while I wasn't a road captain,

00:27:59.060 I mean,

00:27:59.740 I obviously contacted the Red Cliff RCMP here and the medicine at city police

00:28:03.860 to make sure that we could get through the city very safely.

00:28:06.560 And everybody did that as,

00:28:08.660 as we continued,

00:28:09.700 the road captains all ended up with their own liaison officers to keep in

00:28:14.480 contact with.

00:28:15.280 So we had communications with police and law enforcement almost from the very

00:28:20.260 beginning.

00:28:22.200 When we got into Manitoba,

00:28:25.240 we were just supposed to have an escort by the OPP from the border of

00:28:29.780 Manitoba to Kenora.

00:28:30.840 And the gentleman that we were with was amazing and decided to escort us the

00:28:35.620 whole way.

00:28:36.720 So,

00:28:37.120 I mean,

00:28:37.600 the majority of the law enforcement that we dealt with were amazing.

00:28:41.020 They were very helpful.

00:28:42.540 They gave us a lot of really good advice.

00:28:44.340 And I think in the long run,

00:28:47.400 my personal opinion is if we could have dealt with the OPP through the duration of

00:28:52.080 the convoy in Ottawa,

00:28:53.420 instead of the extremely dysfunctional,

00:28:56.940 as we learned at the POEC,

00:28:58.540 Ottawa city police,

00:28:59.780 this convoy would have had a different outcome.

00:29:01.940 Yeah.

00:29:02.080 Oh,

00:29:02.740 it was incredible.

00:29:03.640 The meltdown in the Ottawa police and their unprofessional conduct,

00:29:06.880 just,

00:29:07.140 just absolutely shocking throughout their bullying.

00:29:10.860 And then of course,

00:29:11.560 nothing takes the cake like Trudeau invoking martial law.

00:29:14.640 He didn't invoke martial law during nine 11.

00:29:16.860 He didn't invoke martial law when an Al Qaeda terrorist stormed parliament,

00:29:21.120 but some honking horns and some parked trucks.

00:29:24.140 He panicked.

00:29:25.420 And I think he has a,

00:29:28.820 I think he's spiteful and vengeful.

00:29:32.160 And if you dare cross him,

00:29:34.760 he will go to extreme lengths to teach you a lesson.

00:29:38.760 And I think that was the real sin of the convoy is it embarrassed him.

00:29:43.020 And we saw that in the trucker commission of inquiry.

00:29:45.320 We saw that he was embarrassed in the eyes that the eyes of the world were on Canada.

00:29:51.880 And he felt he looked like a meek,

00:29:55.260 fumbling, 1.00

00:29:56.900 powerless fool. 1.00

00:29:57.960 I think the reason he invoked martial law is because he was losing face. 1.00

00:30:03.640 And I don't know.

00:30:05.080 I think it was an incredible moment.

00:30:07.580 Let me ask you about the world.

00:30:11.200 We've talked a bit about Canada and the Canadian media,

00:30:13.400 but I think that the world for the first time looked at Canada and said,

00:30:17.760 there is something very interesting here.

00:30:20.240 Most of the time I think people think Canada is a little bit boring or just

00:30:24.600 America light or something,

00:30:27.880 but around the Carlson called us the great white West of the great white waste

00:30:32.580 of time once or something.

00:30:34.260 Yeah.

00:30:34.940 I mean,

00:30:35.640 but Fox news,

00:30:37.040 I mean,

00:30:37.280 was riveted by us,

00:30:39.300 but so was many other media.

00:30:41.240 You saw copycat trucker convoys everywhere from the Netherlands to Israel,

00:30:45.440 to Australia.

00:30:48.520 I think that people were excited and impressed.

00:30:54.760 Tell me if you had any international stories that,

00:31:00.280 that you haven't shared before.

00:31:02.580 Oh man,

00:31:04.200 I not really specifically.

00:31:06.620 I have gotten letters from all over the world.

00:31:10.940 Lots from the States.

00:31:12.300 I've got letters thanking me from the Netherlands,

00:31:15.440 from Italy,

00:31:16.560 Norway,

00:31:18.060 Scotland.

00:31:20.040 It's unbelievable.

00:31:22.080 We net,

00:31:22.520 we could not have imagined that that would have went global like that.

00:31:26.360 And I remember when they came to us and said,

00:31:29.180 you know,

00:31:29.420 these convoys are starting all across the,

00:31:32.220 you know,

00:31:32.400 all over the world.

00:31:33.100 And I,

00:31:33.800 of course I cried cause that's what I do now.

00:31:36.380 Cause I,

00:31:36.980 I just couldn't believe it.

00:31:38.300 Like,

00:31:39.260 you know,

00:31:39.540 that Canada could have,

00:31:41.200 or a movement that originated in Canada.

00:31:43.160 And you're right.

00:31:43.760 I mean,

00:31:43.980 we're known for being passive.

00:31:46.520 I'll tell you one quick story on the way to Ottawa.

00:31:49.660 We,

00:31:50.160 we made a stop,

00:31:50.960 a pit stop.

00:31:51.500 And I walked into the women's washroom. 0.96

00:31:53.080 And of course there's a lineup and there's women everywhere standing. 1.00

00:31:55.600 And all you could hear was sorry,

00:31:57.960 sorry.

00:31:59.020 Oh,

00:31:59.480 I'm excuse me.

00:32:00.000 Sorry.

00:32:00.680 And I,

00:32:01.080 and I said,

00:32:01.700 this is the most Canadian bathroom I've ever been in, 1.00

00:32:04.280 but that,

00:32:04.660 that is who we are,

00:32:05.800 you know?

00:32:06.420 So I think to see something like this originate in Canada,

00:32:10.400 probably surprised a lot of people,

00:32:12.820 but it is a credit to our strength and to our resilience and to

00:32:18.380 fundamentally who,

00:32:19.800 who we really are.

00:32:20.780 I believe we are fairly passive.

00:32:23.840 We don't like to make waves,

00:32:25.000 but we also will stand up for ourselves if we get pushed too far.

00:32:28.860 Yeah.

00:32:29.540 Well,

00:32:30.000 let's talk about that because I think it was atrocious that you were

00:32:33.560 jailed.

00:32:34.940 There are accused terrorists in this country who are allowed out on

00:32:39.840 bail.

00:32:40.100 You were in prison for almost 50 days.

00:32:42.600 The bail restrictions on you not to use social media,

00:32:48.040 not to do this,

00:32:49.020 not to,

00:32:49.340 they were clearly political.

00:32:50.840 I think that you meet the test of a political prisoner.

00:32:55.160 If there were as a peaceful protester in Moscow who embarrassed Putin and

00:33:02.440 was put in jail for 50 days or a peaceful protester in Tehran,

00:33:06.760 Iran was jailed for 50 days.

00:33:09.080 I think we would properly be outraged.

00:33:11.540 I think you were a political prisoner and you actually have not had the

00:33:16.620 substantive trial of the criminal charge against you.

00:33:20.640 The fact that,

00:33:21.840 yeah,

00:33:22.000 I just think it's insane.

00:33:24.040 I can't help,

00:33:24.680 but think that we have cabinet ministers,

00:33:26.780 Pablo Rodriguez,

00:33:28.740 drunk driver,

00:33:30.020 Stephen Gilboa,

00:33:31.260 the environment minister,

00:33:32.420 a convicted eco-terrorist,

00:33:34.780 not,

00:33:35.000 not just his stunt at the CN tower,

00:33:36.860 but he did a weird home invasion of Ralph Klein's home.

00:33:40.760 When,

00:33:41.140 when Ralph was away,

00:33:42.120 it was just his wife,

00:33:42.900 Colleen Klein,

00:33:44.180 the most insane crimes.

00:33:46.880 And that's a crime.

00:33:48.200 He's in the cabinet.

00:33:50.280 You give peaceful protest advice to the truckers.

00:33:54.860 You're jailed for 50 days and you haven't even had your day in court yet for

00:33:57.620 the trial.

00:33:58.640 I think that that is as much a banana Republic move. 0.75

00:34:03.120 As seizing bank accounts and martial law.

00:34:06.060 You still have your,

00:34:07.260 what's,

00:34:07.660 what's the latest on that?

00:34:08.900 When,

00:34:09.220 when is that criminal trial expected for you?

00:34:12.060 Is that going to happen this year?

00:34:14.180 Yes.

00:34:14.680 I hope,

00:34:15.360 uh,

00:34:15.660 barring any delays.

00:34:17.020 Uh,

00:34:17.380 one thing I'm learning about the legal system,

00:34:19.420 because we don't actually have a justice system in Canada.

00:34:21.900 It is a legal system.

00:34:23.620 The punishment is in the process and nothing,

00:34:26.460 nothing goes fast.

00:34:27.320 And once you get caught in it,

00:34:28.620 I mean,

00:34:28.920 this is,

00:34:29.200 I've never even been in Facebook jail before.

00:34:31.100 So this has been quite an eyeopening experience for me.

00:34:34.020 And once you get caught in it,

00:34:36.340 you're stuck there.

00:34:37.360 I mean,

00:34:37.580 there's nothing you can do.

00:34:38.920 You just got to wait it out.

00:34:40.380 So our trial is scheduled to start on September the 5th.

00:34:43.660 Chris Barber and I are co-accused and we'll be tried together.

00:34:46.280 Uh,

00:34:47.080 we just had court on Monday morning as the crown prosecutor was hoping to switch

00:34:51.840 judges.

00:34:52.560 Um,

00:34:53.160 she came back with a decision saying she was not going to be recusing herself

00:34:56.700 and would remain as our trial judge,

00:34:58.360 which we're very happy about.

00:35:00.300 And,

00:35:00.880 um,

00:35:01.640 hopefully everything sticks on the timelines.

00:35:04.260 We have been in a,

00:35:05.580 in and out of court now for about the last six weeks on just a bunch of

00:35:08.560 miscellaneous things,

00:35:09.980 nonsense,

00:35:10.560 basically.

00:35:11.020 And,

00:35:11.620 um,

00:35:13.060 so not,

00:35:13.640 it's really frustrating to have all these hearings and,

00:35:16.660 and not have,

00:35:17.320 like,

00:35:17.480 we still don't even know what we did.

00:35:19.000 I mean,

00:35:19.240 we're still waiting for the particulars,

00:35:21.740 which were the crown prosecutor to tell us.

00:35:23.920 It's been more than what exactly we did.

00:35:25.660 It's been more than a year.

00:35:26.680 You haven't got full disclosure.

00:35:30.460 That is,

00:35:31.060 we were supposed to have particulars on February 16th and 17th.

00:35:35.380 Uh,

00:35:35.860 that got changed into a different motion that the crown put forth.

00:35:39.220 So they've just rebooked our particulars hearing for July the 18th.

00:35:43.780 If you can believe that are you just about a year and a half later,

00:35:46.940 you know,

00:35:47.700 you were public enemy number one to Trudeau and to this liberal partisan

00:35:51.280 prosecutor.

00:35:52.440 The idea that they don't know the case against you,

00:35:55.360 that they don't have the details and the particulars is absurd.

00:35:58.680 They have unlimited resources.

00:36:00.420 And here we are a year plus into it.

00:36:03.160 And they haven't,

00:36:03.560 that is a disgrace that is bringing the administration of justice into

00:36:07.740 disrepute.

00:36:08.800 We'll talk more another time about,

00:36:11.240 uh,

00:36:11.540 how,

00:36:12.380 uh,

00:36:12.820 we hope to help at the trial.

00:36:14.820 I won't get into that now,

00:36:15.800 but our viewers can guess what I'm thinking of because we do it a lot.

00:36:19.500 But,

00:36:20.140 um,

00:36:20.640 listen,

00:36:21.020 I,

00:36:21.280 I think that trial,

00:36:22.760 it's a shame that it's,

00:36:24.020 it shouldn't even happen.

00:36:25.460 It's such a obvious political stitch up,

00:36:28.540 as they say.

00:36:29.200 And the prosecutor himself is out of control,

00:36:31.880 huge liberal donor.

00:36:33.560 Uh,

00:36:34.000 vendetta abusive.

00:36:35.880 Uh, 0.96

00:36:36.240 he's really a disgrace to the profession. 0.92

00:36:38.220 I,

00:36:38.460 I can't believe the crown has not replaced him with someone more even keel.

00:36:42.900 But like I say,

00:36:44.140 Trudeau never forgives.

00:36:45.620 Um,

00:36:47.180 listen,

00:36:47.520 I want to end by telling our viewers that this book,

00:36:52.240 which I have read cover to cover and I ordered my hard copy book.

00:36:55.860 It's beautiful.

00:36:57.960 It's,

00:36:58.480 I learned so many things.

00:37:01.760 There's a few chuckles in it.

00:37:03.560 There's a few humorous moments.

00:37:05.640 There's some touching moments.

00:37:07.560 Uh,

00:37:08.080 there's some infuriating moments.

00:37:11.240 It's a,

00:37:12.020 it's a good read.

00:37:13.860 And I think that is why it is the number one bestselling book in the country.

00:37:21.300 It was on the very first day we listed it,

00:37:23.540 but I just see just today,

00:37:24.860 Amazon called it the bestseller of the week as well.

00:37:27.780 Even beating out,

00:37:28.860 uh,

00:37:29.580 Prince Harry's autobiography.

00:37:32.160 So people want to know.

00:37:33.820 And I think one of the reasons they want to know is because they sense that

00:37:38.160 they've only been told either half the story or an incorrect story.

00:37:42.440 And they know that by getting this book,

00:37:44.420 they'll hear the other side of the story.

00:37:46.840 I'm really excited about that.

00:37:48.340 Last word to you.

00:37:49.960 Me too.

00:37:50.540 I hope everybody likes it.

00:37:52.840 Uh,

00:37:53.280 I think it's great.

00:37:54.520 Again,

00:37:54.920 I think it's going to answer a lot of questions and,

00:37:56.960 and get,

00:37:57.560 let people get to know me a little bit better.

00:37:59.080 I mean,

00:37:59.420 that was always one of the things right from the start as the money started to

00:38:03.160 come in last winter,

00:38:04.240 but you know,

00:38:04.680 it was important to me that people got a sense of who I was.

00:38:07.980 That's a huge responsibility.

00:38:09.600 I mean,

00:38:09.740 we raised $10 million that had like my name on it,

00:38:13.480 you know?

00:38:13.860 So it became really important to me that people got a sense of who I was.

00:38:18.220 And,

00:38:18.540 um,

00:38:19.260 and I think this will help.

00:38:20.720 And thank you all again,

00:38:22.020 so much for all your help for helping me publish this book.

00:38:25.900 I I'm very pleased to,

00:38:27.740 to get some truth out.

00:38:29.580 Yeah.

00:38:29.720 Well,

00:38:29.900 it's our pleasure.

00:38:30.580 And you talk about that money at great length.

00:38:33.160 In the book and how it was frozen by the government and,

00:38:36.400 and,

00:38:36.640 and the battles to keep that money out of the hands of the government and how

00:38:40.500 go fund me interfered.

00:38:42.320 It's a fascinating part.

00:38:44.080 And if anything,

00:38:45.060 it shows the difference between our side and the other side is the other

00:38:49.240 side is bought and paid for professional protesters,

00:38:52.020 but our side,

00:38:54.160 authentic grassroots,

00:38:55.360 organic,

00:38:56.080 the million people or the hundreds of thousands of people that came out to

00:38:59.100 see the truckers,

00:38:59.740 no one paid them.

00:39:00.560 The truckers in the end,

00:39:02.180 most of them didn't get any dough because the go fund me was refunded and the

00:39:07.940 give send go was,

00:39:09.400 yeah,

00:39:09.620 the government really tried it.

00:39:11.240 The fact that you succeeded despite having no organ,

00:39:14.920 no formal organization of money was amazing.

00:39:17.900 And the book details that folks,

00:39:19.560 you can go to the website,

00:39:21.780 the convoy book.com.

00:39:24.520 You can bet buy your copy there.

00:39:26.540 You can also,

00:39:27.340 if you want chip in to help us with our guerrilla style marketing campaign for the

00:39:34.180 book,

00:39:34.360 which is coming along.

00:39:35.980 And in fact,

00:39:36.460 we're hiring a,

00:39:37.680 a marketer producer,

00:39:39.540 helper outer to get this.

00:39:41.060 Cause I believe this book needs to be pushed because it's not going to be pulled by chapters

00:39:46.880 indigo.

00:39:47.340 I doubt they'll even put it on their shelves.

00:39:49.140 We have to sell this book grassroots through word of mouth.

00:39:53.480 And we've got a plan to do that.

00:39:55.940 And Tamara, 0.98

00:39:57.140 I couldn't be prouder than to be,

00:39:59.180 uh,

00:39:59.400 than to have rebel news as a publisher of the book.

00:40:02.120 I,

00:40:02.440 um,

00:40:03.960 I think the convoy was the story of the year in 2022 and you were the leader of that

00:40:08.680 story and it's time your voice was heard.

00:40:11.360 Congratulations,

00:40:12.020 my friend.

00:40:13.000 And,

00:40:13.560 uh,

00:40:14.420 many more successes may many more successes.

00:40:16.960 Thank you.

00:40:17.300 Thank you so much.

00:40:19.740 Thank you.

00:40:20.240 Our pleasure.

00:40:20.740 There you have it.

00:40:21.260 Tamara Leach,

00:40:22.060 the author of hold the line available now,

00:40:24.820 uh,

00:40:25.640 the hardcover book.

00:40:26.680 And of course soon the Kindle version and the audio book.

00:40:31.960 Narrated by Tamara herself.

00:40:33.640 That's our show for today until tomorrow on behalf of all of us here at rebel world headquarters

00:40:39.360 to you at home.

00:40:40.460 Good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:41:01.460 Thank you.

00:41:03.300 Good night.

00:41:04.060 Good night.

00:41:04.120 Good night.

00:41:07.700 Good night.

00:41:14.080 Good night.

00:41:14.620 Good night.

00:41:16.740 Good night.

Rebel News Podcast - April 27, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Hold The Line： A feature interview with Tamara Lich

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