EZRA LEVANT ｜ How Indigenous activists are repeating a key gay-rights mistake
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Support for the LGBTQ+ movement has fallen in recent years in North America, and there's a good reason why. It's the same as the gay rights movement 20 years ago, when support for gay rights was sky-rocketed. It was about letting people choose who they love. Now, it's about forcing other people against their will to accept intrusions into their privacy.
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Oh, hi everybody. There's a new bridge in British Columbia, and I can't really pronounce it,
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but it's actually impossible to spell it because it's spelled in a made-up language. It's sort of
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like the English letters, but it's not really. And all this is done in the name of Aboriginal
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reconciliation. I think it's actually going to have the opposite effect, and I think that's
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the point. I'll get into it, and I'll show you the video from on location, which is why I'd like you
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Tonight, the indigenous rights movement is making the same mistakes that the gay rights
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movement did. Let me explain. It's December 9th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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You're fighting for freedom! Shame on you, you censorious bug!
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Did you know that support for the LGBTQ2SL Plus has fallen in recent years in North America? Fallen.
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Here's a story about it in the left-wing Guardian newspaper. Here's a story about it in the left-wing
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PBS publication. It's actually the website and the broadcaster. There's various explanations for it,
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but I think the most compelling is when you think of what has changed in the past 10 years. What's
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been the gay rights issue in the past 10 years that's defined it? Not gay marriage. That's been the law
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in Canada for 20 years now, and more than a decade in the U.S. and the U.K. I think the problem,
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if I may, is that instead of declaring victory 20 years ago, the gay rights movement, sometimes called
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the gay pride movement, well, they kept going. They won everything they could possibly win.
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Changes in the law, parades, even affirmative action. If you can believe it, Hollywood is
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disproportionately gay. All the institutions, especially academia, pride month that every bank
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in North America feels like a full-tilt political campaign. But instead of declaring victory,
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the LGB movement added a T, transgenderism. And that fundamentally changed the movement from being
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about equality, about leaving people alone, letting them be themselves, about letting people be,
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about privacy. It quickly became the opposite. Transgenderism, at least as it's expressed in
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politics and the law these days, has become not about equality or privacy or letting people be
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who they are, or as we used to say, consenting adults or the privacy of your own home. Those are
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all things that we said back then. But today, the LGBT 2Q+, SL is about foisting extreme sexuality on
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other people. It's about violating other people's privacy. The most insane example of this is the
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teacher nicknamed Bastille Lemieux, who wears enormous prosthetic breasts to school to teach
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children, turning girls and boys in his class into a captive audience, actually, in a way, participants
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in his bizarre fetish. That's not gay pride. That's not being private. That's turning other people
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against their will into part of your sexual fantasy. That's the most shocking example, but it's only
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slightly less shocking the transgenderism that has affected millions of people, especially in sports.
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Failed male athletes suddenly declare that they're women and then compete against women, which is
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cheating, and they beat women, and in the worst cases, they go into changing rooms with women.
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It's actually worse in our prisons, where men who claim to be women have the right to be transferred
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into women's prisons, where they now have access to women who are ordered not to misgender their new
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fellow prisoners on pain of various punishments. So suddenly, gay rights isn't about letting people
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choose who they love, people living their own life, their own way in privacy. It's now about forcing
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other people against their will to accept intrusions into their own privacy, forcing themselves into your
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bathroom, into your changing room, even into women's shelters. So yeah, LGB was hijacked by the T.
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They overplayed their hands. That's why they're falling in popularity. Well, I'm here to say that
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Canada's Indian bands are doing the same. For a generation, there's been a near-unanimous political
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status quo in Canada that we can go above and beyond for Indigenous people, spending,
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favored status, respect. And it all felt good for Canadians to do so. Even Stephen Harper,
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the great conservative, increase the budget for Indian affairs. And then I think things started
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to change. I don't blame Indigenous people for this one. I think it's more white liberals and
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lawyers and bureaucrats and opportunists. But soon, instead of focusing on building and being positive
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and creating jobs and things we can all get behind, the leading edge of Indian affairs became about race
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hatred. Sort of imposing a U.S. Black Lives Matter narrative onto our country, but with Indigenous
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people instead of Black people. So Justin Trudeau called it a genocide. He called Canadians genocide.
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As he said, it's still going on. He actually said that. He took our first Prime Minister,
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Johnny McDonald, off the $10 bill because of that reason. Statues started coming down across Canada.
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Incredibly, the head of our own Supreme Court said the same thing. Genocide. People started noticing
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when judges sent back violent offenders right back into their own communities without jail time or without
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significant jail time because they're Indigenous, which obviously forgets about the rights of the Indigenous
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community into which these violent men were being placed. My point is, things started to move
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away from solidarity and equality and respect and friendship into rivalry and accusations and sourness.
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I really think it's been politicized in a new way in the last decade. How many events do you go to
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in your community where, before things begin at a town hall meeting or a sports event even,
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you're told you're on stolen Indian land? Remembrance Day in Toronto, they started their Remembrance Day
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ceremony by talking about land back and then talking about Canada's slavery history. It's absurd.
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Especially when, where treaties have clearly extinguished any existing rights to the land.
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Most of Canada is covered by such treaties, but it's a new religion, this land back acknowledgement,
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just like LGBTQism. And let me show you what I mean. And here's why I'm talking about this.
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My friends who care about Indigenous people and goodwill, this is the time to stop. This is the time to
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declare victory because you're now entering the overreach moment. This is the jumping of the shark.
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This is where you go too far. This is your man in the girl's swimming change room moment. Stop.
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Declare victory. Do not press on further. You know about that bizarre court case in BC a few weeks ago
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where a judge just said out of the blue that Indians may still have a right to land title
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underneath hundreds of BC homes. Surprise! Did you think all those land acknowledgements were
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meaningless? A judge thinks they're meaningful, otherwise why would you be saying it? So people,
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especially in BC, are on edge already because of this. But look at this now. Pure joy in sticking
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it to the man. There was an important bridge in Greater Vancouver, almost a century old,
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named the Petulo Bridge, named after the former BC Premier, Duff Petulo. I didn't really know about
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him, I should tell you. That bridge was replaced with the new bridge, and they've decided not to keep
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the old name. The new bridge gets a new name. And here's how to pronounce it.
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All right, so this was a name that was selected by Musqueam and Quandlum.
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Stalbo Awesome translates to English roughly as place to view the river or river view.
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And the name can be broken down into four syllables. The first is stall, stall,
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as in that's a beautiful bridge. I hope my car doesn't stall.
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Second syllable is oh, oh, as in, oh, that's not too hard to pronounce.
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Third syllable is ah, ah, in, in, we would say ah, see, I'm the see, yeah, yeah. And the last one is
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some, as in some, like the sum total. Did you get that? Now, if you say river view bridge,
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well, people know how to say that, how to spell that, what it means. But look at that other word,
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look at how it's spelled. Do you see how it's spelled there? What, that's not, sort of English,
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but it's not, what's with the upside down E's? What are those apostrophes? Now, the government put
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out a video on how to pronounce that word. Here's how you pronounce that E and that W.
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The next two letters together are schwa and a glottalized W, which make an O sound.
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You know, I think I could remember how to say stall O awesome. I think stall O awesome. Um,
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there's some unusual names like that across Canada. You might be wondering why it's written in a version
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of our own alphabet though. There was no indigenous alphabet. There was no custom of writing things down.
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They call it an oral tradition. So that is a borrowed written language. It's a kind of English
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made up by white linguists. I have no beef with that really. But why are you imposing that weird
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alphabet and spelling on a bridge that not one in a thousand Vancouverites could read or pronounce or
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write? How do you even do a backwards E? What, why aren't you even just using regular Canadian letters
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in English to write the sound of the word? I'll tell you why. Because it's about pushing you around.
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That's the whole point here. This is not about reconciliation anymore. It's not about equality.
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This is designed to push you back, to push you around. There's no chance this would ever be
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named Petula. Of course not. We're long past that. But even naming it stall O awesome isn't enough. It has
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to be written in a made up scientific language that actually not a single indigenous person learned in
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school because it was made up by white linguists. But, but that's all the better. You can't pronounce it
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because it's not yours. Your own language isn't yours, let alone the land. Oh, by the way, the bridge was made
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with Chinese steel. Of course it was. Which caused a lot of construction problems. Here's a story in
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the Vancouver Sun. Chinese steel contributed to delays in construction of Petula Bridge replacement,
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says advocate. Welding problems and steel from overseas can create headaches for local workers
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and increase expenses, says Canadian Institute of Steel Construction CEO. But when someone tried to ask
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about boring things like, uh-oh, is the bridge built okay with foreign steel? They were told to shut up.
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You see, you can't ask any questions. That's some white man's tradition. Just shut up and get with
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the program. Here's a video clip of that. My question is about the materials that went into
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making the bridge. There has been some controversy about the steel in particular that went into making
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the bridge. Some people have alleged that it caused delays or more added costs, took away jobs from
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British Columbia workers. Can you please just weigh in on that?
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Sorry. Again, Chief Merlin-Fabrel, Kwantlen First Nation. I thank you all for coming out,
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celebrating with our nations, the Musqueam and the Kwantlen people. We're here to celebrate
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celebrate for our people. This is the first bridge named from our beautiful, dear elder Larry Grant.
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We, Kwantlen has the utmost respect for you and the Kwantlen people. I always, it hurts me. I have to tell you, it hurts me.
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You have them all day. Please keep those questions for a side, a side press conference.
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We're here to celebrate. Please don't take that beautiful, beautiful, this beautiful day away from us.
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So yeah, don't ask any questions. Certainly not about the steel. Don't ask why it's written in a weird,
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made-up English language that no one knows how to spell or type or read. No typewriter or computer can
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type that. Don't ask why Duff Petullo is thrown into history's garbage can. Don't ask. Don't ask why the
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government bought steel from China instead of from Canada. And don't you know that your role is simply
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to pay for all of this and to nod along and to call yourself a settler and a colonizer and a racist
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and a genocider. You know, it's almost, but not quite as stupid as Toronto renaming their version of
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Times Square. It used to be called Young Dundas Square. Now the government calls it Sankofa Square.
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After the allegation that Mr. Dundas was somehow pro-slavery, which he wasn't.
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And the laugh is that Sankofa, which has no connection to Canada or Toronto,
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is the place of African tribes who actually practice slavery. But at least they'll spell
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Sankofa in English letters for you to abase yourself when you say it. I say again, there's a lot of goodwill in
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Canada towards indigenous people. And I'm not against renaming certain things after indigenous
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things. I come from Calgary where the famous streets have names like Crow Chow Trail and
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Deerfoot Trail and Crow Foot and all these beautiful names. Think of the city Medicine Hat.
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That's an English translation of an Aboriginal word. I'm not even against renaming certain
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things using traditional languages, although I'll never stop calling it Deerfoot
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Trail. I'm not a hundred percent opposed to renaming things, but the deliberate choice
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to make it absolutely inscrutable or impenetrable to anyone other than some government paid activists
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and to do so with a hubris. My friends, I tell you, we are well past reconciliation now.
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We're in the danger zone now because the activists have flipped the script. They're becoming the supremacists
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now in their own way. Don't do it. Don't rub it in. Don't go on the offensive. That's not reconciliation.
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Like the gay pride movement, declare victory. Don't spike the football in the face
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of the people who pay your bills. Just don't. Stay with us for more.
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Well, my favorite civil liberties public interest law firm is, of course, the Democracy Fund. But a very
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close second place are my friends at the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom. And frankly,
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they've been doing it for more than a decade. They really wrote the book. Joining us now to talk to us
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about two of the most interesting cases that they've recently taken is our friend John Carpe,
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the boss of the Justice Center. John, great to see you again.
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Glad to be with you and with your viewers and listeners.
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Well, you're doing such interesting work. I want to talk to you about two cases. The first is
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Frances Whittowson, who is the professor who was illegally drummed out of her position at Mount
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Royal University in Calgary for being a skeptic of the wild claim that, amongst others,
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that there are 215 dead children buried outside a former residential school in Kamloops, BC. No such
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thing has been proven. And she keeps raising inconvenient questions. She recently went to
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the University of Victoria to challenge the unchallengeable, to become what the left is calling
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a denier. Let me just show you a little bit of footage about that shocking day, because that's
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very relevant to what we're going to talk about. Here, take a look. This is Victoria a few days ago.
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I will not leave on my own. Okay, so right now you are arrested.
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Okay, so you're going to arrest me and you're going to take me into the downtown?
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Off the property. Off the property? And then we'll go from there. Okay.
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Um, this is what we've come to at academic institutions these days. You are not allowed to explore ideas on your own.
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Well, um, not the people coming to harass Frances Whitteson, but Frances Whitteson herself was
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ordered off the property under threat of a trespass prosecution. She declined to go. She is being
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prosecuted, and John Carpe and the Justice Center are representing her in court. John, great to see
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you again. Tell me a little bit more about the case. Is it just a simple trespass ticket, or is there
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more behind it? What are they doing to Frances Whitteson?
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Well, right now it's just, uh, it's just a trespassing ticket. I, and I, I must say I find the
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double standard rather disgusting. When, when people are building tent cities, that's outside of, you
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know, universities can impose reasonable rules that regulate the freedom of expression on campus.
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That's okay. So for example, no tent cities, uh, no overnight displays. There's reasonable rules that
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the university can, uh, create and, and can enforce, but this is somebody going on campus to speak.
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This is a taxpayer funded institution. Uh, the BC government itself says that it's carrying out a
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governmental purpose. And, um, it's just a double standard because she is pointing out that, that
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there's just no evidence, uh, to, to substantiate the claim that there's 215 children buried at the
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former Kamloops Indian residential school. So right now it's, uh, it's trespassing charges that, uh,
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we're going to be fighting back against, uh, as hard as we can in court on principle. You know,
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it's not, I mean, the fine is up to $2,000. That's, that's not really the issue. I'm, I'm sure
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generous Canadians would, would kick him, you know, for the $2,000, but this is a very important point,
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uh, on principle. Yeah. Now, are you aware were any of the thugs and I call them thugs because they
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came to get physical and more importantly, to threaten, um, the police stood by as that happened.
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Um, our own reporter, Drea Humphrey, who was on the scene, I'm not going to say she was assaulted,
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but, but there was some very aggressive conduct. Were any, were any other people to your knowledge
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charged for their misbehavior or was it only the victim, Francis Whittowson, who was charged?
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It's a victim and it's a pattern I've seen for decades. Uh, you know, uh, in particular pro-life,
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groups on campus who are putting out an unpopular message and they get harassed and intimidated and
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bullied and, and sometimes physically assaulted and, you know, police just stand by and, and pretend
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that somehow it's the fault of these students peacefully expressing their opinions, that they
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are the problem, that they are the threat to safety. And then they get censored because they're
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supposedly a threat to security. And it's, it's just, it's very, very twisted thinking because yeah,
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there is a threat to safety. There is a threat to security. It's coming from people who are thugs,
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who don't want to engage in, in debate. They don't want to listen to, uh, an opposing point of view.
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And, uh, it's, it's high time for provincial politicians to, uh, read the riot act to the
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universities and tell them to clean up your act or else you're not going to get the taxpayer funding.
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Yeah. Speaking of the riot act, I mean, you, you point out that there were
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pro Hamas encampments across Canada for weeks or even months, no trespass tickets there, but, uh, a
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slightly elderly female professor standing politely will better put the police on her. That's pretty
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gross. University of Victoria has always been a bit of a censorship leftist place. I regret,
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and they lived down to their reputation. I want to talk about another case that you guys are taking
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on because I think it involves a friend of Rebel News named Heather Mason. She's a former prisoner who
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has very bravely talked about what it's like in women's prisons in 2025. And actually for several
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years now, Justin Trudeau in one of his first reforms to Corrections Canada allowed anyone to
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simply declare that they're a woman. They don't even have to be, you know, appearing as a woman. They
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just have, they don't have to express as a woman. They just have to identify as a woman. They can
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have a beard. They can have a baritone voice and they immediately get treated as a woman. For example,
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any body searches, and of course there are searches in prison all the time, must then be done by a
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female. If a male prisoner says, I'm a gal now, now the guards who search him have to be female.
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Many of the people who suddenly declare that they're women are actually sex convicts who
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committed some sexual offense and who know that they would be targeted by other, let me say,
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more moral prisoners. There's even a moral hierarchy in prison where if someone is a child
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molester, very often they have to be segregated because the regular prisoners would kill them.
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Believe it or not, there are some ethics that even murderers and robbers have. So if you're a sex
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predator, convicted and sent to prison, why on earth wouldn't you immediately declare that you're
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a woman? You get out of the more dangerous men's prison, you get to go to a women's prison,
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and if you happen to be a sexual pervert yourself, well what a delight to be engaging with your
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victims who are forced to deal with you. Imagine being a female prison guard being forced to deal
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with a man in an intimate way such as a search. And one thing I learned from Heather Mason before
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I'm coming to you John in a second, I'm just telling you the stories I know, is that in at least one
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prison in Canada, female prisoners who are new mothers can keep their children with them until I
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think they're age four or something. So you have prisons that are more like a kind of a dorm
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where moms and their babies are in prison together, which sort of makes sense.
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Imagine a man being allowed into a women's prison. Well John, tell me a little bit about the case
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because I have a press release from your organization here called Women's Rights Group Seeks Court
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Approval to Challenge Policy Allowing Biological Males in Women's Prisons. So tell me a little bit about
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that because that's been going on now for pretty much a decade. But who cares, right? No one stands
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up for a female prisoner and they're not allowed to stand up for themselves. Heather Mason also told me
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that if you speak out against this in prison, you get your rights taken away, you're punished.
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If you don't call these men ma'am, if you don't use their new names, if you don't say, you know, if you
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misgender them, you'll be punished by the prison. So you're not even allowed to act in your own defense
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if you're a female in prison. What are you doing? Tell me what the JCCF plans to do.
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Well, it's not just whether or not you get punished, but it's also a fear of jeopardizing your
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chance for parole for early release. If you are deemed to be transphobic, that does not reflect
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well on you. So there's kind of a self-censorship component to it as well, where the female prisoners
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are not going to speak out. As you described, the policy was changed in 2017, and this was the bill
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that added gender identity and gender expression to the Criminal Code and to the Canadian Human Rights
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Code and not long thereafter, the federal prisoners to comply with Trudeau's legislation. It became
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instantaneous that if you were in a male prison and you declare that you identify as a woman,
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that declaration by itself is enough to get you transferred. The way it used to be prior to 2017,
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there were transfers, but only serious men who were quite serious about their transition who had
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the surgery, no longer had their male parts, they were allowed to transfer into women's prisons. And
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that did not pose a threat to the women in women's prisons because these guys took their transgender
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surgery journey very seriously, and they were not a threat. But starting in 2017, so it's been going
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on for eight years, and the federal government so far is not backing down. They could get rid of the
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court action simply by changing the policy, and they would succeed in having the court action
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declared moot, and it would be moot, but they're not budging. So the Justice Center is providing lawyers
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for a women's group. We've filed our papers, and what's coming up next in March is a hearing to
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confirm that it can be the women's group that moves forward and that we will not be required to have
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individual female applicants because it's a lot harder and it's a big privacy violation.
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Got it. And that group, again, Rebel News, we're familiar with them,
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Canadian Women's Sex-Based Rights, CAUSE BAR, sort of hard to remember acronym. Well, I hope they're
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successful. What is your argument? What is your cause of action? Is it a charter complaint saying
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that women's rights are being violated? What are you trying to tell the court that the government got
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wrong? So we argue that the policy should be struck down because it violates the charter Section 7
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right to life, liberty, and security of the person. You still have these rights in prison. I mean,
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being sentenced to a jail term obviously impacts your liberty rights, but it's justified if there's
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been a fair trial and you've been fairly convicted. But you still have a right to life, liberty, and
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security of the person. In particular, the security of the person, you have that in prison. So women should
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not be subjected to what is going on, sexual harassment, kind of peeping Tom's men hanging
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around the change rooms and bathrooms and showers and so on. Cases of sexual assault. We're familiar
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with one instance where there was a support group of survivors of sexual abuse, childhood sexual abuse,
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so a women survivor groups group, and this is pretty much 100% the perpetrator was male. They have to put
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up with a trans-identifying male to come in to their support group for women recovering from childhood
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sexual abuse. They've got to have a guy sitting there pretending to be a woman. It's just outrageous.
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So we're seeking to have the policy struck down. There's also a charter section 15 equality rights
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argument that the women are not getting the same level of safety that men are getting in men's
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prisons. But I think that the strongest one is the security of the person argument.
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Well, I think this is a very important case. Do you have a date yet for the hearing, or is it
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The hearing is going to be in March. So this is a preliminary hearing to confirm that the action
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can move ahead with the plaintiff being the cause bar, the women's, the group advocating for sex-based
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rights, meaning biological reality, sex-based rights. That's going to be heard in March, and then
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Well, it's a very important case, and it's the kind of case you would think feminists would take,
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the traditional civil liberties groups would take, and the fact that…
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Yeah, that shows how outdated I am. Anything challenging?
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You're not going to have the LEAF, the Women's Legal Education Action Fund, this feminist group that was at
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the forefront of all kinds of issues, abortion laws, divorce laws, custody and access.
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They've been these leading feminists, and now they are not opposed to men transferring into
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a women's prison simply by declaring themselves to be women.
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Yeah. Yeah. It's sort of pitiful how the traditional feminists have absolutely abandoned
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real women with this onslaught of trans extremism. John, keep up the good fight. Folks, if you want
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to learn more about these two cases or other cases taken by John and his Justice Center, go to jccf.ca.
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Thanks a lot, John. We'll talk to you again soon.
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Oh, hey. Welcome back. Your letters to me. Some of them are about my rambling rant about robots.
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Oswald JH says, not to worry, since AI is a human invention, it will do what humans do best, fail.
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Well, maybe. If you think of it as a super smart chess-playing computer, I mean, we're at the point where
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I think a computer can beat even the best chess master, and that was years ago. I think computing
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is so much faster now. How do I just see evidence that it's smarter than people, it knows more than
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people? I'm not saying people can't beat it, but I just think expecting it to fail on its own, I just
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I don't think that's likely to happen. And there's competing AIs too. There's the North American ones, but then there's
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Chinese AI. I'm worried about that. Next letter from Sun Sun 108 says, AI isn't causing the collapse,
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it's exposing it. People yell at robots because they've lost trust in institutions and lost control
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over their lives. Robot girlfriends and sex dolls aren't a tech trend. They're a symptom of loneliness,
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social decay, and people retreating from a world that is no longer makes sense to them. The tech isn't
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fucked up, excuse me, the state of society is. Oh, I'm not denying any of that. In fact, that's part of
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my point, is that this tech solution, this replacement for people is coming at a time when we've been
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atomized worse than ever. I'm agreeing with you in a way. The fact that young people are so insular,
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they're addicted to their phones, that COVID taught us to stay isolated. Yes, of course, I agree all that.
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That's why we're particularly susceptible now, and enter into that robots who already right now
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can be great conversationalists who never run out of patience for you, and then add in the physical
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touch element. I'm very worried. Janice Zed G says, a thief will only rob you. A politician will even
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rob your unborn grandchildren, enriching themselves. None of them deserve even a penny. Well, you know,
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there's some government control of AI, but there's also corporations with control over AI. I really
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like Elon Musk, but I mean, he and some of these other gazillionaires, they're operating on levels
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that we don't sometimes even understand. What I like about Elon Musk is he's fighting for freedom
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of speech through Twitter, that I think he's been a good force for fighting against government
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waste and corruption. I think he's an important voice against mass immigration that is culturally misfit.
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I don't understand some of his projects. I don't know the final state of affairs with robots or
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Neuralink. I know that the future is coming faster than ever, and I'm not sure if we're ready to handle
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it. I know that's not a very decisive and conclusive thing to say. I'm still trying to figure it out.
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That's our show for the day. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,
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to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.