Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ How is Tamara Lich's trial going？ We get an update from our Rebel reporter in Ottawa

00:00:00.000 I'm excited to be back in Canada.

00:00:02.240 One of the reasons I missed being here is that Tamara Leach's trial was going on when we were away. 0.98

00:00:07.960 Luckily, we had two great reporters on the scene, our old friend Lincoln Jay and a newer reporter, Robert Krejcik,

00:00:14.880 who was live tweeting from the court every day, interviewing the people as they came and went.

00:00:19.620 So we're going to have a feature interview with Robert.

00:00:22.080 We're going to play some clips, including when he chatted with Tamara Leach's lawyer, Lawrence Greenspon.

00:00:27.480 It's a great interview.

00:00:28.500 I feel completely caught up after talking to him about it, and I hope you will, too.

00:00:33.180 By the way, if you want the video version of this podcast, go to rebelnewsplus.com and click subscribe.

00:00:39.320 All right, here's today's podcast.

00:00:55.540 Tonight, a full report.

00:00:56.880 How is Tamara Leach's trial going? 0.59

00:00:59.440 It's September 15th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:02.440 You're fighting for freedom!

00:01:05.400 Shame on you, you censorious bug! 0.93

00:01:08.460 Well, I got back very early this morning from Dubai.

00:01:20.960 That's a phrase I would not have thought I would be saying until quite recently, the Abraham Accords.

00:01:26.620 What an interesting trip.

00:01:28.080 I loved the trip.

00:01:29.100 It was great to hang out with such enthusiastic rebels.

00:01:31.500 But I have to say, the number one thing weighing on me was that the trip started exactly the same day that Tamara Leach's trial started in Ottawa.

00:01:43.780 And we, of course, have been following Tamara Leach since the trucker convoy.

00:01:47.620 The Democracy Fund has been paying for Tamara Leach's lawyer, crowdfunded from Rebel News' viewers.

00:01:56.460 So, and as you know, Rebel News published Tamara Leach's wonderful autobiography, a great bestseller, by the way, and we helped put on a tour of her book.

00:02:07.340 So we love Tamara Leach, and we think that putting aside our affection for her, it's indisputable that she was the newsmaker of the year last year.

00:02:17.980 And this trial is one of the most important trials of the year this year.

00:02:23.260 So I felt a genuine pain that I and my colleague Sheila Gunn-Reed, who's gotten to know Tamara very well, that we were out of the country, off of the continent.

00:02:36.600 But I was deeply relieved when I saw the great work done by our Ottawa reporter, Robert Krejcik, in tandem with young Lincoln Jay, who first made his name as a journalist during the convoy itself a year and a half ago.

00:02:53.060 So that tag team of Robert Krejcik in the court, live tweeting every day, Lincoln Jay with the camera outside the court, I think not only did they cover the basis, they did a great job of showing people what was going on.

00:03:09.480 So without further to do, let me now introduce to you Robert Krejcik, who's been doing such a good job on the ground.

00:03:14.960 So, Robert, congratulations and even more, thank you for really stepping it up and doing great coverage when Sheila and I were away, because that was sort of our beat, and we weren't there for those key days.

00:03:29.060 Thanks for covering it.

00:03:31.260 I want to thank you for the kind words.

00:03:33.760 It's great to hear that sort of praise from the big boss himself and also from Sheila.

00:03:38.700 I've had a lot of help, Lincoln Jay's incredible, and of course the team behind the scenes is really upgrading my capabilities.

00:03:44.960 So there's a lot of stuff in terms of assistance and help and guidance that may not be visible when you're seeing me out there, but it's definitely a team effort.

00:03:52.760 Well, that's nice of you to say those words about the team.

00:03:55.480 Why don't you give our viewers a bit of a summary?

00:03:58.220 I know a lot of people have been going to our special website, TamaraTrial.com.

00:04:03.200 That's where we have all our coverage, a compilation of your tweets, and I know folks have been following you as you live tweet from the court.

00:04:11.080 But maybe for those of us, like me, who have been out of the country for more than a week, how would you summarize the first, I guess it's almost two full weeks of court?

00:04:22.720 What would you say the highlights and the lowlights have been for the month of September so far?

00:04:27.880 I'll start with you the grand themes that I think are the major takeaways, and they both intercept.

00:04:37.760 The first one will be that the prosecution, in its opening statement, characterized the Freedom Convoy as a demonstration of protest that was anything but peaceful.

00:04:48.000 That's a direct quote.

00:04:48.920 Now, for those who have been with Rebel News for a while, paying attention to it or consuming, you know, firsthand content from the Freedom Convoy or were fortunate enough to attend and participate, you'll know that that description is the opposite of the truth.

00:05:01.860 It's not reconcilable with what actually happened.

00:05:04.480 You can see it sort of echoes this media narrative that was derisive and denigrating the demonstration through dishonesty.

00:05:12.520 Now, how does that relate to the trial?

00:05:14.300 Well, the evidence that's been introduced by both the Crown and the defense contradicts that assessment, and I'll give you specifics.

00:05:24.020 One of the first pieces of evidence introduced by the prosecution was this 11-and-a-half-minute video montage compilation that was primarily composed of body cam footage that was captured by police officers on the ground during the Freedom Convoy.

00:05:38.860 Some of it was also aerial surveillance footage.

00:05:40.840 And you would think that the prosecution, which is seeking to secure convictions, would come out with an opening salvo that was very incriminating and that would show a protest as they described it as anything but peaceful.

00:05:55.100 But there was no violence to be seen on that video except for, and this is also very interesting, the judge herself remarked on that 11-and-a-half-minute video.

00:06:05.060 And she said a couple of days into the trial that the only violence that was seen on that video came from a police officer towards a demonstrator.

00:06:13.380 So that's the major thing.

00:06:14.300 The second one, I'll just wrap it up real quick in terms of how this relates to us at Rebel News.

00:06:19.020 This may seem a bit self-serving, but this divide between the characterization of the Freedom Convoy and the reality on the ground blends right into the secondary overarching theme, as I see it,

00:06:32.000 which is the parallel universes within which the fictional world of so-called mainstream media and legacy media exists.

00:06:40.340 And those of us on the dissident side, those of us on the honest side, those of us who are not on the tape from the government trying to present our audiences with accurate information.

00:06:49.020 And that weaved into the trial itself, and I'll give you a couple of examples here.

00:06:54.300 Some of the videos that were presented by the prosecution and defense included these press conferences that were held by Tamara Leach, by Chris Barber, and some of their volunteers or supporters.

00:07:03.500 And they would remark regularly on how the characterizations from the media, you know, whites, supremacists at these protests, races, UFOs, all these nonsense buzzwords that are regularly used to derive detractors,

00:07:16.160 were not compatible with what you were seeing on the ground, which was shared by both Tamara Leach and Chris Barber with their videos on site.

00:07:24.420 And, of course, anyone is welcome to do that themselves.

00:07:26.540 There are still live streams out there that you can see reporting from Rebel News, for example, where Lincoln Jay and others were all out there on the streets of Ottawa capturing hundreds of hours of footage.

00:07:36.580 You can see for yourself that the way CBC types would describe it is not what was actually happening.

00:07:43.120 Well, you said so many interesting things there.

00:07:45.500 I want to go back to your reference to the judge.

00:07:48.480 A lot of people are worried about the independence of our judicial system, and I'm one of them.

00:07:54.380 Even though I used to be a lawyer and an officer of the court, as they say, I still have a respect for the law.

00:08:01.280 I've got to, because what else is our choice?

00:08:04.360 But still, I can't help but notice that not a single substantial lockdown policy anywhere in the country has been declared unconstitutional.

00:08:13.040 Our Supreme Court hasn't even bothered to hear a lockdown case yet at all.

00:08:19.200 And I think a lot of people are starting to lose faith in the courts.

00:08:23.720 And yet you say that at one moment the judge said something that I think could be characterized as sympathetic to the defense by pointing out that the only violence in a video, 11-minute video clip by the prosecution, was police violence.

00:08:39.540 So I think that's a very interesting thing for the judge to say out loud.

00:08:43.600 Judges normally keep their cards close to their chest and wait until the judgment, the verdict, to give their opinion.

00:08:50.840 Can you tell me anything about the judge?

00:08:53.980 Is she young?

00:08:54.940 Is she old? 0.99

00:08:56.520 Is she talkative?

00:08:58.740 Does she ask questions? 0.90

00:09:00.380 Does she sort of take a hands-off approach?

00:09:03.160 Have there been other things she has said that maybe suggest she's more sympathetic to Tamara Leach and Chris Barber than might be expected?

00:09:13.420 Give me a little bit on the judge.

00:09:15.800 Well, since I'm there every day, of course I can give you insights into her behaviors and her remarks.

00:09:20.040 And I also initially thought that that statement that she made where she specifically remarked on how the only violence visible in that video, that 11.5 video montage compilation, only came from a police officer towards a demonstrator.

00:09:34.500 And I also use that word, sympathetic.

00:09:36.300 But it's actually more than that.

00:09:37.580 It's really an objective assessment.

00:09:39.500 Even if she is hostile towards the defense for whatever reason, that's an objective remark.

00:09:43.940 It's not a matter of opinion that the only violence scene was from a police officer.

00:09:47.300 So I'll show you some other observations I've made.

00:09:49.880 And this happened in the last day.

00:09:51.720 So this was Thursday, I think yesterday, in which a video of Brian Peckford's speech at the Freedom Convoy was shared by the defense.

00:10:00.540 And for those that don't know, Brian Peckford was one of the composers, one of the drafters of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which I think we can agree or we can state fairly is sort of foundational legal document in Canada.

00:10:12.240 He was also a former premier in Newfoundland.

00:10:14.480 And Brian Peckford remarked a lot about the violations that you just commented on as a function of what I call the COVID-19 enterprise, this apparatus of censorship, surveillance, violation of your basic rights to movement, to due process, property rights, freedom of association, religious rights.

00:10:37.120 So basically all of our fundamental rights were violated without due process in the auspices of the so-called public health framework.

00:10:43.480 Don't be fooled by those who try to tell you that somehow you can skirt around the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.

00:10:51.820 I was there. 0.99

00:10:52.800 I helped write the damn thing. 0.99

00:10:54.340 And they're wrong. 1.00

00:10:55.280 And we're right.

00:10:55.960 Now, this relates to the judge how, because when the first video was played of Brian Peckford's remarks, it was kind of blurry.

00:11:07.880 It was sort of this citizen journalist cell phone video.

00:11:10.620 And she had never done this before until this moment.

00:11:12.960 She's like, wait, can you pause that and play that?

00:11:14.440 She really wanted to confirm that that was Brian Peckford.

00:11:17.880 So Brian Peckford captured her attention, presumably because she's a lady of the law.

00:11:23.080 She's a judge.

00:11:23.900 And Brian Peckford played a central role in a document that ostensibly guides her judgment.

00:11:28.680 Now, just as part of the superficial considerations, she's a woman, obviously.

00:11:32.500 She's middle-aged, probably around 60.

00:11:35.160 She did make a remark about how her comments on Brian Peckford dated her or aged her.

00:11:40.800 In terms of her demeanor, she's quite professional.

00:11:43.320 I wouldn't say she is hands-off.

00:11:46.320 She is authoritative when she thinks that things are sort of going off the rails, which is a quote that she used.

00:11:52.580 And she definitely is mindful of not wasting courtroom resources. 0.99

00:11:58.340 And I'll give you one more example of that, too, in which the prosecution is trying to submit requests to change some of their evidentiary submissions to refine certain evidence that was submitted or introduce these or those witnesses.

00:12:10.620 And she has remarked several times, she stated, almost reprimanded, I would say, the prosecution to Crown for not doing all of these things by August 1st, which apparently was their sort of tentatively agreed-upon deadline between all the parties at hand.

00:12:25.320 Right.

00:12:25.500 And it makes sense because, of course, both sides have to know the case, or more importantly, the defense, the accused, has to know the case they have to meet.

00:12:35.780 So if the prosecution is changing the game just moments before trial or even during the trial, that does not allow them to make a fair and full defense, especially since the facts at issue here happened a year and a half ago.

00:12:50.300 They're all on tape.

00:12:51.840 It's not like the prosecution just discovered something.

00:12:54.600 Anyways, I appreciate that review of the judge.

00:12:58.360 Tell me about the prosecution.

00:13:00.500 The reason I ask is because the former prosecutor, if I'm getting his name right, Moise Kashimji.

00:13:09.440 I'm sorry if I'm pronouncing that wrong.

00:13:11.220 But there was a prosecutor on this case for the first year or so.

00:13:16.100 And he was a very large Liberal Party donor.

00:13:20.280 He was emotional.

00:13:22.340 He was vindictive.

00:13:23.560 He tried to get our own reporter, Sheila Gunn-Reed, on contempt of court charges. 0.99

00:13:29.360 Like, he was a mad man.

00:13:31.120 He would argue with the judge. 0.56

00:13:33.700 He was—yeah, I think he had a vendetta.

00:13:35.960 And just a few months ago, he was yanked off the file and replaced with the prosecutors who were actually running the trial.

00:13:46.700 And I had mixed feelings about that because on the one hand, Karimji, if I'm saying his name right, was so revved up and he was running so hard and he was quarreling with the judge.

00:13:59.040 I thought, oh, that's great.

00:14:00.780 He'll blow it.

00:14:02.420 On the other hand, having a better prosecutor, maybe it'll be a fairer trial.

00:14:09.300 But you don't switch prosecutors just a few months before trial.

00:14:13.180 That's like switching horses in the middle of a race.

00:14:15.600 Anyway, that's the last I heard of things.

00:14:18.220 Then I went overseas for 10 days.

00:14:20.400 So now I'm back.

00:14:21.540 And my question to you, Robert, is what are the prosecutors like?

00:14:25.700 How many prosecutors are there?

00:14:27.800 Is there one senior person doing all the talking and a couple of juniors helping muster the documents?

00:14:33.880 What does the government's team look like?

00:14:38.120 There are two that are there.

00:14:39.340 One's a man.

00:14:39.920 One's a woman. 1.00

00:14:40.600 He's probably approaching 50.

00:14:42.260 His name is Tim Radcliffe, white guy.

00:14:44.200 Very professional from what I can tell.

00:14:46.200 The other one's a white lady. 1.00

00:14:47.280 She's probably just a few years behind him.

00:14:50.020 I mentioned his name is Tim Radcliffe.

00:14:51.520 Her name is Siobhan Wetscher, I think.

00:14:53.880 For what it's worth, and I sort of remarked on this, I think, in a tweet or two,

00:14:58.340 they're actually maintaining a pretty congenial exchange relationship with the defense.

00:15:03.920 And I found that sort of admirable in my idealistic way.

00:15:07.220 It's not particularly antagonistic or acrimonious.

00:15:10.580 They're deferential where they should be.

00:15:12.560 They're always accommodating, making sure the defense follows what they're doing.

00:15:17.120 And there's this element of camaraderie, I would say, professional collegiality, perhaps

00:15:22.380 is a better term, between the defense and the prosecution and, to a degree, the judge.

00:15:27.800 Now, does that seem weird?

00:15:29.200 Is it like, oh, my God, are they all in cahoots or something?

00:15:31.780 I don't get that vibe at all.

00:15:32.860 This just seems like they maintain a highly professional demeanor.

00:15:36.380 And they're not, as you described, this former prosecutor who was removed.

00:15:39.460 They are not over the top.

00:15:41.080 They are not highly emotional.

00:15:42.880 And I'll just share my own hot take here.

00:15:44.560 I think the prosecution, in a sense, has an impossible job.

00:15:48.200 They're trying to prove two plus two is five.

00:15:50.380 So regardless of the character of the person selected to represent the crown, they have

00:15:55.600 a very, very difficult proposition to pursue convictions on these charges with Tamara Leach and 0.85

00:16:01.040 Chris Barber.

00:16:01.400 I think you're right.

00:16:02.820 And, you know, the Democracy Fund, as you may know, represents literally 3,000 people who

00:16:09.500 have been charged with various offenses.

00:16:11.320 Some are spectacular cases like Arthur Pavlovsky or Chris Scott or the Whistle Stop Diner or,

00:16:18.100 of course, Tamara Leach.

00:16:18.900 But most of the cases are anonymous.

00:16:22.120 They're severely normal people who got a $5,000 fine or $10,000 fine.

00:16:27.340 And, for example, in one fell swoop, 300 such cases in British Columbia were stayed in the

00:16:35.980 stroke of a pen.

00:16:37.020 So 300 cases just abandoned because either the prosecutors realized there was a flaw in the

00:16:43.820 charges or they just didn't have the resources or the judges basically said,

00:16:48.460 we're not wasting 300 days hearing those political charges when we've got this backlog of real

00:16:57.000 cases.

00:16:57.640 Here's my point.

00:16:59.900 Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of minor lockdown offenses are simply being thrown out

00:17:06.400 or abandoned.

00:17:07.720 My theory is that the case against Tamara Leach and Chris Barber is modest and weak and political

00:17:17.280 and, frankly, it would not be pursued had there not be so much political buildup around us.

00:17:24.280 So now the government can't lose face.

00:17:26.580 If they were to abandon these minor charges the same way these 300 BC cases were thrown out

00:17:34.940 in one day, it would be too embarrassing because they built it up as this hill to die on.

00:17:40.420 But I would suggest, based on my understanding of things, and, of course, I haven't been there

00:17:46.560 in trial, that the case against Tamara Leach is so obviously a political case, an emotional

00:17:53.960 case, not rooted in the facts or the law.

00:17:58.140 And so maybe I would say those prosecutors have a bloody tough job to do because, at the

00:18:04.460 end of the day, this judge is going to apply the law.

00:18:06.680 Now, she's not running for mayor, she's not running for MP, and if she's going to do her

00:18:12.140 job, she's going to say, no, there's no conviction here beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:18:17.140 I think that the prosecution sort of wishes this case wasn't before the courts.

00:18:22.260 That's just my theory.

00:18:23.720 What do you think of that?

00:18:25.120 I totally agree with you.

00:18:26.560 I might be naive and somewhat idealistic, but I think the prosecution just cannot secure

00:18:30.980 this conviction given that the case itself is impossible.

00:18:33.520 I will give you a sort of digression related to your speculation that the prosecution doesn't

00:18:39.200 even really want this job, they didn't want this gig.

00:18:42.280 Chris Barber remarked in some of the videos that were played as evidence, and this is something

00:18:45.600 that I confirm myself through personal anecdotes, personal conversations, that a lot of police

00:18:49.820 officers that were required, or maybe required is the wrong word, but commended in order to

00:18:54.940 do this or that during these film convoy demonstrations all across the broader COVID-19 enterprise, like

00:19:00.660 arresting someone for not having a mask and a gym or as these absurd commands, they don't

00:19:04.960 want to do it.

00:19:06.180 But most people comply, including police officers.

00:19:09.380 And I think that's true for the prosecution as well.

00:19:11.020 I mean, this whole apparatus of control and abuse has really revealed a lot and made slaves

00:19:18.340 out of many people in many ways.

00:19:20.480 We're talking with Robert Krejcik.

00:19:21.680 He's been on the ground in the court reporting every day from the trial of Tamara Leach.

00:19:26.480 You can follow all his work at tameratrial.com.

00:19:29.840 Hey, I want to do one more thing.

00:19:31.280 We talked about the judge.

00:19:32.220 We talked about the prosecutors.

00:19:34.240 I have had the chance to speak with Lawrence Greenspawn, who is the Ottawa criminal lawyer

00:19:40.960 defending Tamara.

00:19:42.020 And I have to say I'm a fan.

00:19:44.080 I've met probably 20 different lawyers over the last few years with the Fight the Fines

00:19:51.540 project and the Democracy Fund and all the different battles.

00:19:54.280 And we've got some very interesting and some very sharp lawyers.

00:19:58.360 One of my favorites is Sarah Miller defending Arthur Pavlovsky, for example.

00:20:03.600 But with fairness to all the other lawyers, I have to say I believe that Lawrence Greenspawn,

00:20:10.960 because of his seniority, because of his command of the law, his familiarity with very complex

00:20:17.600 and serious cases.

00:20:19.160 I mean, he's taken terrorists as clients.

00:20:21.680 He's taken murderers as clients.

00:20:23.140 For his personality, for his intelligence, for his experience, for his seniority, for his

00:20:28.960 command of the bar and the bench, like he knows who's who in the zoo in Ottawa, I think

00:20:34.260 Lawrence Greenspawn may be the best lawyer I have encountered in the last three years.

00:20:40.420 That's how he has come across to me in my conversations with him.

00:20:44.940 I want to ask you how he comes across in court, and then we're going to play a couple of clips

00:20:52.200 of your interviews, brief interviews with him.

00:20:54.120 So first of all, give me your impression.

00:20:55.920 What's he like in the court?

00:20:57.760 Is he bold?

00:20:58.860 Is he calculated?

00:21:01.000 Is he friendly?

00:21:02.100 Is he dramatic?

00:21:03.180 How does he come across in the court?

00:21:04.920 So far, he's succincted to the point.

00:21:08.360 There was one moment yesterday where he was a little bit perturbed, let's say, with some

00:21:13.020 timeline issues.

00:21:14.860 But I'll have to defer to your assessment on this.

00:21:16.840 Even though, yeah, I'm in the court every day or not, your exchanges with Lawrence Greenspawn

00:21:21.420 are obviously of a much deeper flavor than mine are, given that at this stage in the trial,

00:21:28.040 the prosecution is still laying out its witnesses, its evidence, and Lawrence Greenspawn still

00:21:33.200 hasn't yet had a time to really showcase his talent when the defense gets their chance

00:21:37.920 to start doing that.

00:21:38.480 So from what I've seen so far, competent lawyer, not excessively verbose or super animated,

00:21:43.860 succinct to the point.

00:21:45.020 As far as one point of, as I described, it's sort of frustration.

00:21:49.620 This related to a timeline issue that occurred yesterday in which the prosecution wants to

00:21:53.660 introduce something like 22 more witnesses.

00:21:55.420 And that wouldn't be problematic unto itself.

00:21:57.400 Well, let's just look at the rate of speed thus far.

00:22:00.020 We're eight days into the trial.

00:22:02.020 We've gone through two and a half witnesses.

00:22:05.120 So let's just do the math, right?

00:22:06.720 I mean, that's going to be what, 90-something days, 99 days.

00:22:10.140 If the pace continues, for me, it doesn't get any worse.

00:22:13.220 And only at that point would we begin to see the defense push back.

00:22:18.580 Well, this is madness for a mischief charge.

00:22:20.980 It's absolute madness.

00:22:22.520 And I have no idea what 22 different witnesses would possibly have to say.

00:22:27.400 It bears on what Tamera Leach actually did. 0.93

00:22:30.020 It sounds like it's a political stitch-up.

00:22:32.860 Hey, we've got a couple of quick clips when you buttonhole Lawrence Greenspawn coming and

00:22:37.760 going from court.

00:22:38.560 So let's just play a few of those moments just to give our people some of the flavor of it.

00:22:43.700 Here's the first.

00:22:44.280 These are short clips.

00:22:45.280 Let's take a look at the first one.

00:22:46.340 We've got, we just finished day eight.

00:22:50.200 The Crown said that they would have their evidence in in 10 days.

00:22:54.560 And there's no way in the world that's going to happen.

00:22:59.460 So the judge is looking at finding an additional two weeks.

00:23:04.000 The way this trial is going, I don't think two weeks is even going to be enough.

00:23:09.940 So at some point we have to sit down, and I assume that's going to happen on Monday, and

00:23:15.840 realistically see how the Crown is going to, how long it's going to take for the Crown to

00:23:21.500 get its evidence in.

00:23:22.200 You know, I use a phrase from time to time, the process is the punishment.

00:23:30.200 Tamara Leach not only has had her entire life disrupted by the charges, but just the actual 0.96

00:23:36.840 time in Ottawa, weeks with the lawyers huddled, preparing, weeks in court, now extra weeks to

00:23:45.100 come.

00:23:46.260 Nobody can do that.

00:23:49.540 Nobody, I mean, and by the way, she doesn't even live in Ottawa.

00:23:51.600 She lives in Medicine Hat.

00:23:53.060 So you've got the hotel, and you've got the discombobulation of your life, of her life.

00:23:57.620 22 witnesses, 22 witnesses for a mischief case.

00:24:01.540 That's not even real.

00:24:02.860 That is a political frame up.

00:24:04.980 Give me, give me, actually, you sort of did already refer to that comment.

00:24:09.660 So let's skip to the next clip.

00:24:11.380 I'd like you to unpack this one.

00:24:12.940 Let's take a look.

00:24:13.560 Can you remark on your experience or knowledge of mischief convictions or sentencing?

00:24:17.640 Yeah.

00:24:18.160 Mischief is a low-level criminal charge, but it is a criminal charge.

00:24:26.900 And Tamara Leach has already spent 49 days in jail. 0.94

00:24:31.300 And there's a lot of time, a lot of court time and a lot of resources being spent on this

00:24:39.320 prosecution.

00:24:39.880 And that's what he said before there was a contemplation of expanding it.

00:24:45.740 You know what?

00:24:46.700 He's very mild-mannered because he wants to save his fire for the actual courtroom.

00:24:51.700 He's very smart that way.

00:24:53.260 He's not over-chatty.

00:24:54.960 He's making some points, but no judge would object.

00:24:58.920 I don't know.

00:24:59.520 If you need 22 witnesses to prove that Tamara Leach is guilty, if they had one witness to

00:25:07.420 prove she's guilty, I might be afraid.

00:25:09.480 If they needed 22 witnesses, that tells me they don't got nothing.

00:25:13.840 That is such a good point, the way you're putting it, because there is this sense of overflow,

00:25:21.400 of just excess in terms of the presentation redundancy.

00:25:26.980 And to your implicit point, it's like they're just trying to see if there may be a shred

00:25:31.300 of something that might stick somewhere.

00:25:32.780 And I actually want to remark on something you said a moment ago about the process being

00:25:37.600 the punishment.

00:25:38.720 And this relates to the sort of imbalance in capacities between the government on the

00:25:43.720 one side, ostensibly with unlimited resources, and the defense on the other, which are ordinary

00:25:48.400 citizens and have limited resources.

00:25:50.200 So when the prosecution dumps all of this so-called evidence, remember, they've got access

00:25:55.820 to everything.

00:25:56.380 This is a massively documented event.

00:25:58.980 Thousands of hours of footage, photographs, all kinds of witnesses.

00:26:02.780 You could talk to some of this or that or the other.

00:26:04.880 You've also got these chat logs that they intercepted or captured from presumably the

00:26:09.580 mobile devices of both Leech and Barber.

00:26:11.500 So I think they sort of broke into it with some de-encryption program, because they mentioned

00:26:14.780 it was WhatsApp and Signal, Telegram.

00:26:16.680 So you've just got this Mount Everest of data.

00:26:21.300 And the prosecution has no intention of going through all of it.

00:26:24.200 They're going to use keyword searches to find particular things they want or search for

00:26:27.740 certain dates when things happen that they think they happen.

00:26:30.560 Now, they just dump that on the defense, right?

00:26:32.780 And then ad hoc in a sort of play-by-play style, freestyling within the context of the trial

00:26:38.800 that's already begun.

00:26:39.660 They're like, oh, you know what?

00:26:40.260 We want to use page 306 from this chat log.

00:26:43.120 Oh, you know what?

00:26:43.800 I want to use minute 56 from video 380.

00:26:48.420 You know what I'm saying?

00:26:49.180 So there's this total overbearing punishment.

00:26:52.180 It's almost abusive.

00:26:53.080 It sure is in terms of blizzarding them under disclosure.

00:26:57.700 But when you say you have 22 witnesses, you know, that's a different move.

00:27:04.560 I think that is an offense to the judge.

00:27:08.720 Does the judge really—is the judge really going to sit through 22 people?

00:27:12.960 I understand, for example, that a political activist named Zexi Lee is going to be one

00:27:18.200 of the—she's the agent provocateur behind the civil suit. 1.00

00:27:22.880 What on earth does she have to say?

00:27:24.560 I don't think she's ever met Tamera Leach.

00:27:26.900 I don't think she had any firsthand knowledge.

00:27:29.840 She's a political gossip. 0.99

00:27:31.120 And if that's the caliber of the 22 witnesses, the prosecution here might just be overplaying

00:27:37.980 their hand.

00:27:38.820 And there will come a point in time, I think, and I hope, that the judge says, you know what?

00:27:44.660 This is not a criminal trial.

00:27:47.220 This has become a political circus.

00:27:50.140 And we're going to wrap it up.

00:27:52.460 Choose your best witnesses or let's have—or, I mean, the fact that eight days have gone by

00:27:57.520 and only two and a half witnesses have testified is crazy to me.

00:28:00.580 Well, listen, I'm delighted with your coverage.

00:28:02.740 Keep it up.

00:28:03.580 I'm back in Canada now.

00:28:05.180 I'm going to overcome my jet lag soon.

00:28:07.480 I've got to go west to cover Arthur Pawlowski's sentencing hearing on Monday.

00:28:12.700 I myself am in court on Tuesday.

00:28:15.200 The Calgary police want to see some of our footage.

00:28:17.660 I'm there to try and stop him.

00:28:19.500 Wednesday, we've got Derek Reimer, the pastor in Calgary, going on trial, another Democracy

00:28:25.340 Fund client.

00:28:26.320 Thursday—I know this sounds crazy, Robert, but I'm on trial again.

00:28:29.680 In Toronto, from my old book, The Libranos, the election commissioner is fighting me on

00:28:36.360 that battle four years later.

00:28:37.700 So there's a lot going on.

00:28:39.200 But it is my intention to get to Ottawa.

00:28:41.960 And you and me will sit with each other in court.

00:28:45.120 And we'll both hang out and cover the trial together.

00:28:47.860 And it sounds like, unfortunately, it's going to be going on for quite a long time.

00:28:52.320 So I will get there to the courthouse to sit next to you.

00:28:56.220 But in the meantime, please keep up the great work.

00:28:59.580 And it seems like you're really getting a mastery of this case.

00:29:03.640 Give us one last comment.

00:29:05.500 Have you interacted with Tamara Leach at all?

00:29:08.120 Or she just said hello and goodbye as she walks in?

00:29:11.260 Has she said anything or not even?

00:29:13.100 Yeah, yeah.

00:29:15.340 We'll chat on vacation on break.

00:29:16.760 She's very friendly.

00:29:17.420 She's in good spirits.

00:29:19.040 She's familiar with Lincoln and I.

00:29:21.520 So she's very sweet.

00:29:22.640 I kind of like talking to her.

00:29:24.320 Even though full disclosure of my bias, when I watch videos of her, I find her very compelling.

00:29:28.060 But I do want to share with you one last thing that's sort of, again, self-celebratory

00:29:31.320 in a Rebel News disembodied kind of way.

00:29:33.040 But you're going to love this.

00:29:34.180 I think the Rebel News audience will also love this.

00:29:37.340 This happened to me today, but this has happened to me for the past two weeks.

00:29:40.680 I had three guys at the gym this morning be like, hey, you're that Rebel News guy,

00:29:44.920 Saudi reports.

00:29:46.100 And they're praising the work that we're doing over at the courthouse.

00:29:50.440 They're remarking on the Freedom Convoy.

00:29:53.600 They were there.

00:29:54.600 Two of these guys were like Muslim Arabs from Lebanon.

00:29:57.180 They said that what they were being told was a total disconnection from reality,

00:30:00.920 contrary to their own experiences when they attended.

00:30:03.480 Another guy just came from Saskatchewan.

00:30:05.100 He's like an East Indian guy, maybe like a Sikh or something.

00:30:10.560 And he was also giving me praise for the work that we're doing.

00:30:14.500 And he praised Rebel News specifically with having sort of woken him up or deprogrammed,

00:30:23.180 deconditioned some of the narratives that were being put into his mind from the usual suspects.

00:30:27.840 That also happened to me yesterday, by the way.

00:30:29.400 Yesterday morning, same thing.

00:30:30.460 Another guy told me the same thing in the parking lot of a gym,

00:30:32.540 that he had a certain impression.

00:30:34.880 He was a Muslim Arab guy himself, was, you know, word about Islamophobia, 0.81

00:30:38.600 these ridiculous terms that he could get thrown out by CBC.

00:30:41.900 And I'm like, hey, man, you were there. 0.61

00:30:43.320 You saw it for yourself, right?

00:30:44.480 And by the way, lastly, all the people that I've met,

00:30:46.660 or either directly or indirectly, who castigated the Freedom Convoy in these nonsense terms

00:30:51.880 or state characterizations, all of them, without fault, never attended it.

00:30:56.200 Instead of going to see it for themselves, they just sat at home and let CBC tell them what to believe.

00:31:00.500 Yeah.

00:31:00.920 Well, you know, our motto is telling the other side of the story.

00:31:04.220 And another one of our mottos, we've got a few of them, is follow the facts wherever they lead.

00:31:08.660 And when we covered the convoy, you mentioned Lincoln J., Alexa Lavoie.

00:31:12.440 We just filmed and streamed hours and hours just showing the facts.

00:31:17.920 And that's what you're doing in court.

00:31:19.360 You're just live tweeting as fast as your fingers can type.

00:31:22.140 So there's a lot of facts there.

00:31:23.860 And I think people have learned that the CBC and CTV torque their coverage.

00:31:29.700 And the Rebel News, although we have a strong point of view,

00:31:32.540 we're probably going to be more accurate on this stuff than they are.

00:31:35.680 Keep it up, my friend.

00:31:37.100 Thank you for going out there.

00:31:38.880 And I'm glad you've had such positive feedback from just ordinary folks on the street.

00:31:44.300 That's our base.

00:31:46.600 Severely normal people.

00:31:48.320 Let the fancy pants tune into CBC and be disinformed. 1.00

00:31:52.820 We're with the people.

00:31:53.900 Thanks very much.

00:31:54.620 Keep it up.

00:31:56.320 Bye, Ezra.

00:31:56.800 Thank you.

00:31:57.400 All right.

00:31:57.720 There you have it.

00:31:58.220 Robert Krejcik.

00:31:59.300 You can see all of his work on this trial at TameraTrial.com.

00:32:04.960 Stay with us.

00:32:06.000 More ahead.

00:32:08.880 Hey, welcome back.

00:32:16.360 Your letters to me.

00:32:17.980 Red Room Studio says,

00:32:19.400 Great analysis of the numbers here, Ezra.

00:32:21.840 Talking about the new abacus poll.

00:32:24.240 Reality is starting to set in, even for the left.

00:32:26.960 Sad to see my home province of Ontario,

00:32:29.000 still only with weak support for the Conservatives,

00:32:31.960 definitely Canada's most woke province.

00:32:34.300 Yeah, Ontario and Quebec in its own way.

00:32:38.840 I'm astounded to see that even in the Atlantic,

00:32:41.820 Trudeau's losing ground.

00:32:43.400 I think his carbon taxes are really biting out there.

00:32:47.420 Syed Aliabidi, 1346, says,

00:32:50.300 I am university graduate and own my home.

00:32:53.380 But at the same time, I understand economy very well.

00:32:55.860 And the actions of Trudeau has destroyed the economy.

00:32:57.960 So as a university graduate millennial,

00:32:59.780 I will not vote for Trudeau.

00:33:02.260 That's what's so interesting.

00:33:03.680 And this has been the case in several of these abacus polls in a row.

00:33:07.400 The weakest cohort for Trudeau are young people.

00:33:12.440 Not super young, but the age where you sort of move out of your house of your parents

00:33:17.600 and get your own house, and you start to get married and have kids.

00:33:21.780 Sort of young families are the people that like Trudeau the least.

00:33:27.300 In fact, really the only group that likes him are college-aged older people

00:33:32.180 who obviously have their mortgage paid off,

00:33:35.240 are not worried about the economy.

00:33:37.580 People who are sort of in the later phases of life

00:33:43.060 and they aren't affected by some of the problems

00:33:46.360 that Trudeau has caused for young people.

00:33:49.960 Chris DA88 says,

00:33:53.200 I think we saw this when Trump was running against Biden.

00:33:55.480 Polls were showing there was no way Biden would win,

00:33:57.640 and look what happened.

00:33:58.620 We can only hope, though.

00:34:01.300 I mean, of course, there's a couple wrinkles here.

00:34:03.000 The NDP, if the media party manages to convince most NDP voters

00:34:09.700 to cast a strategic vote for Trudeau, he could still pull it off.

00:34:14.920 I mean, that NDP vote won't collapse completely,

00:34:18.340 but it's not unthinkable to me that Trudeau goes even further to the left

00:34:22.740 to get more of the NDP votes,

00:34:25.340 and then he and the media say together,

00:34:27.500 look, it's either Trudeau or Polyev.

00:34:31.200 There's no hope for Jagmeet Singh.

00:34:33.080 You've got to vote strategically for Trudeau.

00:34:35.520 It could happen.

00:34:37.540 Well, that's our show for today.

00:34:39.000 It's great to be back in Canada.

00:34:40.900 I'm going to be on the road next week,

00:34:43.460 but I'll be doing journalism.

00:34:45.300 As I mentioned to Robert Krejcik,

00:34:46.980 I will be covering Arthur Pavlovsky's sentencing

00:34:49.420 and other trials, too.

00:34:51.740 Until then, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:34:54.940 to you at home, good night,

00:34:56.600 and keep fighting for freedom.

00:34:57.720 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - September 16, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ How is Tamara Lich's trial going？ We get an update from our Rebel reporter in Ottawa

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