00:00:00.000Hello, my friends. What an interview today. Boy, I love this guy. His name is Dr. Owen Lanahan,
00:00:04.580and he knows everything there is to know about Ireland, or more to the point,
00:00:08.440the vandalizing of Ireland. In fact, that's the name of his book.
00:00:12.380We'll go deep on it. The politics, the problems with the media in Ireland, and of course,
00:00:16.800immigration, the number one issue in that country. What a show. And I want you to see it,0.98
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00:01:34.340at checkout. Now let's get into it. Tonight, anti-immigration politics had a huge win in
00:01:40.780the United Kingdom last week. So what's next in Ireland? It's May 18th and this is the Ezra LeVance Show.
00:01:48.100I love going over to Europe because I often say it's a dystopian time machine.
00:02:06.840What I see happening in places like Marseille or Paris or London today, I think will happen in Canada in five years' time.
00:02:14.340I'm talking about things like mass migration, censorship, things of that sort.
00:02:18.980And recently, I've been fascinated by the case of Ireland, a rather small country, only about 5 million souls.
00:02:25.100And until recently, a fairly economically poor country.
00:02:29.160Now it's one of the richest around, huge surplus, big Western tech companies there.
00:02:34.040It's certainly leading the way in some measures economically, but it's also leaping ahead in issues of mass immigration and censorship.
00:02:42.020I've taken a real fondness to the island being there oh at least half a dozen times in the past
00:02:47.000couple years watching a grassroots movement muster against mass immigration but there's no political
00:02:53.140class that has responded to it in the way that say in the United Kingdom Nigel Farage has harnessed
00:02:58.960the upset there I need help in understanding it I'm trying to learn about Ireland because I'm
00:03:05.560curious about it because I love it and I love the people but also because I want to get lessons
00:03:09.320for canada so who better to talk to than our guest today his name is owen lenahan he's the
00:03:15.080author of vandalizing ireland which is a great name and that's what i want to talk about is this
00:03:21.100wonderful emerald island being vandalized and can it be saved uh owen lenahan thanks for joining us
00:03:28.980today yeah it's a pleasure to be on with you and just at the offset thank you for all you've done
00:03:35.160actually for ireland you really helped raise the profile of the country and what's happening there
00:03:40.600to an international audience so appreciate that thank you well it's it's been my pleasure i've
00:03:45.200done it out of intellectual curiosity i really knew very little about ireland um the thing that
00:03:50.960strikes me whenever i visit there is how friendly the people are and it makes me think a little bit
00:03:54.360about our canadian province of newfoundland again a small uh fairly homogenous culture
00:04:00.940a great gift of the gab i mean in ireland they have the larney stone i mean i think there's
00:04:05.960there are some deep ties between canada and ireland but i don't want to be confused by the
00:04:10.780myth or the history i want to understand what's going on now help me understand i don't get it
00:04:16.060how ireland could have such wonderful people but have such an awful group of politicians maybe
00:04:21.540every country says that but ireland feels especially cursed in the politics department
00:04:26.280I think you're right. Our biggest problem is that our two big parties, Fianna Fáil and Fianna Gael, they were birthed out of our revolutionary period. So they were pro the treaty which gave us our independence and anti. So Fianna Fáil were anti, Fianna Gael were pro.
00:04:43.460Now, the problem is that once we got our, once we became a republic in the late 40s, we, they kind of ceased to have any major ideological and economic platform differences between them.
00:04:57.340So we've had this unique charade whereby since the 1950s, we've had to pretend that they're different parties when in reality they aren't.
00:05:06.760So from the late, after the 1950s, we underwent economic crash.
00:05:12.560There was a spike in immigration not seen since the famine.
00:05:18.760And from the 1960s, both parties essentially came together and they devised an economic strategy based on going all in on the EU and all in on American, in particular, foreign direct investment.
00:05:32.020So they started down this path together and they've stayed on this path together while giving the electorate the illusion of choice.
00:05:40.380So what's happened now is that since the 1960s, the successive governments have abandoned domestic industrial growth in favor of the dopamine hit, the economic dopamine hit of American multinationals.
00:05:56.680So you mentioned it there in your opening that we're kind of considered, you know, one of the richest nations in the world.
00:06:05.660So the IMF recently just announced that Ireland will pass Luxembourg
00:06:10.900as the richest country in Europe by 2030, and we'll have a GDP PPP,
00:06:15.020so purchasing power parity, excuse me, of 168,000 euro per person.
00:06:22.720So it makes us sound incredibly wealthy.
00:06:25.360But GDP isn't a great measure at the best of times, as you know,
00:06:28.760because it depends on how a government is going to ensure that that wealth trickles down.
00:06:32.920But it particularly means little in Ireland because our GDP has been radically inflated and distorted by the huge investment in American multinationals in Ireland.
00:06:44.920So, for example, in 2015 alone, when Apple and other major big tech industries onshored intellectual property to Ireland, we saw a GDP spike of 26 percent in one year, which was it's a record in post-World War II GDP increases.
00:07:03.840So we have no, first of all, we have a distorted sense of how rich we actually are, as Paul Krugman put it, leprechaun economics.
00:07:11.620But secondly, we seem uniquely cursed, as you said, by our political class and how this supposed vast wealth is spent.
00:07:19.840So even though we're told on a daily basis that we're the richest nation in Europe, one of the richest on earth,
00:07:26.480we have 40 percent of working young people under the age of 35 who live in their childhood bedroom.
00:07:32.980They can't move out of home. Three out of five people under the age of 25, for example, plan to emigrate from Ireland.
00:07:42.600Children who are waiting for vital scoliosis treatment can wait up to two years, despite numerous scandals, for treatment.
00:07:54.10066% of people under 25 said they'd have a better life elsewhere.
00:07:57.620We have the highest rate cost for energy in the EU.
00:08:02.560We have the second highest cost of groceries and so on and so on.
00:08:07.080Now, Ezra, I think you were there or at least rebels certainly reported on the recent haulier and farmer protests that happened in Ireland.
00:08:16.620And this is becoming more and more visible.
00:08:20.120Again, thanks in large part to your outlet.
00:08:22.620But it gives people a sense of, while our government projects outwardly wealth, that there is this great disconnect with people who are feeling the bite at home.
00:08:33.340So, for example, the hauliers, what they were protesting about in farmers recently in Ireland was that the government takes 50% tax roughly on petrol, over 50% and almost 60% on diesel.
00:08:47.200Sorry, the other way around, 57% on petrol and 48% on diesel.
00:08:51.360so again we have local businesses who on top of that will pay a 12.5 percent at least
00:08:58.800VAT and other charges who are paying you know for exorbitant prices for electricity
00:09:04.260for water charges etc etc we have local industry being strangled while our government
00:09:11.100caters only to American multinationals now there's an issue with that increasingly since
00:09:17.920the early 00s, that this multinational hiring has relied on foreign labor. Since 1995,
00:09:27.400we've outstripped our domestic supply of labor, essentially. In the early 00s, we had a large
00:09:35.380influx from Eastern Europe as the Eastern European bloc joined the EU. But since the 2010s,
00:09:43.920what the influx of immigration now has been in service of big tech in particular.
00:09:51.320Now, companies like Microsoft, Apple, and so on,
00:09:54.620these are hiring now at a rate of in the 90th percentile non-EU workers,0.70
00:10:02.340So this has an impact whereby it's twofold.
00:10:05.500First of all, as you pointed out, Ireland now,
00:10:07.980a tiny nation of 4 million ethnic Irish,
00:10:10.720has 5 million people living in Ireland.
00:10:12.940So that's a million people who have immigrated in the last 20 to 25 years, which has created a massive housing crisis, a massive housing bubble, which has led to that 40 percent of working young Irish under the age of 35 living at home.
00:10:26.100But also this bringing in people, particularly from India, into the big tech sector, into upper echelon medical jobs has imported a non-Irish upper middle class, which has allowed them to purchase, block purchase housing in any housing estate that they like while native Irish are stuck at home dreaming of ever owning a house and knowing that it's an impossibility.0.80
00:10:54.980So the seeds have been set for massive, massive social strife due to just political failures compounded decade over decade.0.75
00:11:08.020But what it comes down to is the lack of any real choice in Irish politics.
00:11:13.300Wow. Now you said so many interesting things there.
00:11:16.100I didn't know that on paper Ireland was as rich as Luxembourg.
00:11:22.760But this is Howard Lutnick, the U.S. Commerce Secretary, talking about some of how American high-tech companies use the preferential tax status of Ireland to reduce their American tax burden.
00:11:38.760Now, he's saying it in a slightly menacing way.
00:11:42.220He says he wants to bring that money back to America and tax it.
00:11:44.920But the reason I want to play this clip today is to try to explain that it's, like you say, it's not really a real economy.
00:11:53.520I mean, there are real things happening in Ireland, but I think some of it feels like accounting tricks.
00:11:59.340Let's go over what Apple does right now.
00:14:55.500But the upshot of that is that the Irish Catholic Church
00:15:00.760had phenomenal power in the NGO sector,
00:15:04.260or what would have been traditionally what we call now the NGO sector.
00:15:07.740And into that void stepped a whole new generation of NGOs
00:15:12.060who were driven by radical left and social justice theory policies.
00:15:16.180And so we saw, just as there was a mass of immigration happening, illegal immigration happening, we had a justice minister in 2004 saying that 80 to 90 percent of all immigration under asylum schemes were bogus in Ireland.
00:15:33.940And that statistic has remained consistent.
00:15:36.440But in this time, as I say, these left wing social justice theory driven migrant councils and things like this also sprung up and helped frustrate the asylum system, bogged down the asylum system to help keep anyone who came to this country, came to Ireland in the country.
00:15:59.700So there has been terrific abuse of the asylum system from the early 2000s.
00:16:04.820And ironically, the government, well, not ironically, I mean, tacitly, they agree.
00:16:08.460They are funding these NGOs to the tune of over six billion per year.
00:16:12.340So we've also seen a huge explosion in the number of courses in universities catering for these NGO, for the NGO sector as well.
00:16:26.480Ireland, we're going through a period where we are forcing our nurses, our skilled laborers who can't purchase a house at home, who can't have a decent quality of life at home like that fireman you spoke to, who feel they have to emigrate.
00:16:41.740And we're rewarding rubbish courses, let's be honest.
00:16:46.060Empty courses are courses that lead to massive economic dependence on the state, first of all, to pay their bills, but secondly, a breakdown in social cohesion.0.93
00:16:55.600so we're producing and giving a home to these NGOs at an alarming rate which is terrible for
00:17:02.420the country yeah I uh I went to a neighborhood in uh the larger Dublin area called Kulak
00:17:09.480which is sort of a lower income area working class um you know not not a powerful neighborhood not a
00:17:15.800wealthy neighborhood but the government announced and it was without consultation let alone you know
00:17:21.760giving the locals a veto, they just announced that they were going to turn a large
00:17:25.260former paint factory, like it was a huge facility, an enormous complex. They were going to turn it
00:17:31.900into an urban refugee camp right in the middle of the neighborhood, right across the street
00:17:36.580from like a kid's arcade and the kid's movie theater. They were going to put hundreds of
00:17:42.680military age migrant men, just plunk it in this neighborhood. And, and it was sort of a fait1.00
00:17:49.440complete that that's what surprised me about ireland is there's really no consultation there's
00:17:54.100very little disclosure it's like an ambush on the local people in the case of kulak they marched
00:18:00.840and marched and marched and there was even a bit of a mini riot one day and to my surprise the
00:18:06.920government blinked but in other places where there hasn't been such a vigorous response
00:18:11.680they just plow ahead like the like in um county i think it was tipperary there's this little town
00:18:17.960called Dundrum, a village, 200 people.
00:19:39.940There is no political party shouting stop.
00:19:41.640But based on the comfort that Fianna Fáil and Fianna Gael in particular have of being in power, they've developed a very ruthless authoritarian streak.
00:19:50.840What you said there, no consultation, no veto.
00:19:53.980These were the precise words used by Leo Varadkar, first of all, the former Fine Gael leader and every leader since, to describe their policy of placing migrants, asylum seekers who they know are overwhelmingly illegal and are abusing the system into small communities.
00:20:15.040So again, just last year, 2025, the leader of our country, Micheál Martin, said that up to 80% of asylum claims in Ireland were bogus last year.
00:20:25.980Yet Ireland set a new record for the number of asylum claimants last year that were accepted into the system.
00:20:33.780Also, we know that over decades there has been a de facto open border system in Ireland.
00:20:39.600We have one or two, a handful of really good politicians.
00:20:42.740Carol Nolan is one of them. She's an independent politician who asked our Justice Minister, Helen McEntee, back in 2024, January 2024, she asked her basically to go through the process of who is and isn't accepted into Ireland.
00:20:58.460And the answer was quite stunning. We found that, for example, almost 30,000 people in 2023 and 2024 showed up at Dublin Airport with no paperwork, no documentation.
00:21:13.060They just threw them in the bin, tore them up, whatever, and claimed asylum in Ireland.0.91
00:21:17.480Now, under the laws of the land at that time, our 2004 Immigration Act, they should have been deported on the spot, but they were all accepted through into the system.0.97
00:21:25.360when the Justice Minister was asked0.83
00:21:28.340about the vetting for people coming into the country.
00:23:16.200This is the vibe in Ireland at the moment. The government will run roughshod over the locals and whether they're getting their marching orders from Brussels, we hear that 70% of laws are dictated by Brussels, or whether it's of their own volition or whether it's been driven by NGOs, I suspect a combination of all three.
00:23:37.560What matters is that there is a clear wedge between our government and the electorate, filling that wedge are the NGO sector, academics and others who have the ear of the government and who are shaping government policy.
00:23:53.820They do not count because the government understands that right now we have a crippled democracy whereby they can't really be voted out of power.
00:24:01.280So they are, while they can run roughshod over the people, they are.
00:24:04.200Yeah. You know, we just saw a week ago in the United Kingdom an enormous sea change in, they had a major election for city councillors and the Labour Party lost almost 1,500 of them. Reform gained almost the exact amount. And I've been watching Reform UK pretty closely. Their main message is, I went to one of their by-elections, their motto was freeze immigration, stop the boats. That couldn't be clearer.
00:24:31.800And I know in Ireland they come either through Dublin Airport or they walk across from Northern Ireland, which is part of the UK.
00:24:39.820Let me tell you why I love going to Ireland, though.
00:24:42.320Ireland has a lot of problems, and some of them are heartbreaking.1.00
00:24:45.320And by the way, migrant, you bring in military-aged migrant men.
00:24:50.100Migrant men are sexually active, and I hate to say it, some of these people come from countries where the way to approach women is very different.0.96
00:24:56.800And there has been spectacular cases of horrific, I'm just going to say it, sex crimes committed by migrants.0.99
00:25:11.620I go to Ireland because I'm fascinated by the problems, which I see in Canada, too.
00:25:16.180But let me just throw four quick things at you, doctor.
00:25:20.160And I'd like you to respond to them because these are four things that I'm sort of jealous of.
00:25:25.520You mentioned you call them holliers in Canada. We call them truckers. There was almost like a national strike of truckers and farmers together over gas prices. And it was amazing. They blocked highways everywhere. And there was it was such a feeling of solidarity. Remind me of the Canadian truckers. But it was bigger.
00:25:43.620So that's evidence. Exhibit A, let's say. Exhibit B is I have been to marches in Dublin and Cork with up to 50,000 people against mass immigration. And that's without any major party or funder. It's just grassroots people. And proportionately, that would be hundreds of thousands of people in Canada. That's exhibit B.
00:26:09.000exhibit c there was recently a vote for president and the presidential vote is you know it's a
00:26:16.320complicated system where you need supportive incumbent politicians that you can't just be a
00:26:21.260ordinary person you need sort of permission from the establishment and a uh a conservative oriented0.82
00:26:27.980woman tried to get on the ballot she was blocked and well over a hundred thousand people wrote her
00:26:35.260name in which again is they went to the ballot to write her name in which is astonishing the that
00:26:42.420was amazing and then the fourth point this is my favorite and i'm just listing these because
00:26:46.960every one of these things tells me that ireland's heart is in a different place than its mouth let's
00:26:54.020say and the last thing is there was a constitutional referendum to take out motherhood from the irish
00:27:00.380constitution i don't think most people around the world know that ireland has a special section about
00:27:05.640mothers in the constitution it's it's so surprising because it you know when you think
00:27:12.560of constitutions you think well the party of the first part article two like you think technical
00:27:16.760legalistic but this is a beautiful sort of national love letter to mums and for some weird reason the
00:27:25.140government said let's get rid of that well you can guess the reasons and even though the entire
00:27:30.040establishment supported it this was given a thumping by the people so those four things
00:27:35.080i'm telling you those four things give me reason for hope and that's why i keep coming back to
00:27:41.420ireland because i want to see how this story is going to end i just want to know how it's going
00:27:44.720to happen um i think what what's makes us very unique in a way is that we have no history of
00:27:52.200right-wing politics we have the narrowest left-right axis in europe um at the moment all of
00:27:58.480our major parties are left to far left now two two small micro parties have emerged in recent
00:28:05.560years and two who are so economically very left but socially conservative around certain issues
00:28:11.000particularly in abortion and we have independent ireland who are trying to who are more populist
00:28:16.180orientated i would say they're certainly um they're they both parties were there during the
00:28:23.180recent haulier protests and they they equated themselves very well they stood with the with
00:28:28.400the protesters um there's a by-election coming up in the west of ireland in galway um this month and
00:28:35.880it's a toss-up at the moment between one of the establishment parties the phoenix gail candidate
00:28:41.340and this independent ireland candidate now he's a fascinating character because he was a member
00:29:16.880constituency he had his home raided by police he eventually left the party so he earned some
00:29:23.860credit there but there over the past when the hollier protests um the trucker protests sorry
00:29:29.280were happening here over fuel costs two to three weeks ago he again came to the fore and stood with
00:29:35.520the people so he is a very interesting character and there's a couple of characters in this
00:29:40.380independent ireland um who definitely have the populist touch and what you said is that right
00:29:46.160now our biggest problem is right-wing political dysfunction but that's born out of a somewhat of
00:29:52.360a learned helplessness because we have never had a right-wing party in Ireland as I said what we
00:29:59.340had was two parties who had their focus on nationalism early 20th century nationalism who
00:30:05.360outsourced their social policy to the church but that's not the same thing as having a right-wing
00:30:09.500party with defined right-wing principles so that's where we are we need to first of all
00:30:15.180overcome some of the cultural baggage that comes with that.
00:30:18.980For example, it's conservative is a dirty word in Ireland,
00:30:22.240because if you say conservative, people's mind goes straight to Margaret Thatcher.
00:30:26.000It goes straight to hunger protests in the north.
00:30:29.100You're not a nationalist if you mention this word.
00:30:31.160So we have to get around certain booby traps there that, you know, we've inherited.
00:30:38.640I do definitely think that this wave of populism that's spreading across Europe
00:30:45.040And as you say there, we saw decisively win in England this past week with reform and restore doing both doing well, that I feel like there's a there's a lot of people in Ireland who are just waiting for that moment to materialize or just waiting for the character to pull that all together.
00:31:02.280And I do believe that if somebody can step into that breach successfully, it will it'll catch on very strongly.
00:31:10.420Yeah, I sure hope so. You know, I'm aware that economic policy in Ireland is tilted left. I mean, it is in a lot of places. And especially with the kind of money being injected there, it's almost like free money. Who wouldn't be socialist?
00:31:24.340the right to me the the issue of ethnicity and nationalism borders immigration is more important
00:31:31.940than every other issue combined i would rather i'm just speaking personally i would rather support a
00:31:37.440socialist who protected the borders than frankly actually there's a lot of libertarian economists
00:31:43.300who believe in open borders um i and and so when i'm in ireland to me whether you're a populist on
00:31:50.580left or populist on the right if you're listening you can hear people like that fireman working
00:31:55.800class guy couldn't find a place to live is he right wing or left wing or is he just someone0.60
00:32:00.420who wants to be irish living in ireland and the thing about ireland is you know there are expat
00:32:06.200communities around the world but there's only one ireland it's a it's a little place and the irish
00:32:10.760are the indigenous people there we use the phrase indigenous when we're talking about canadian0.99
00:32:14.520indians or aborigines in australia but the irish are the indigenous people and ought not they to
00:32:21.880have a homeland i'm not saying that they should be enemies to other races or ethnicity i'm just
00:32:26.640saying let them have ireland for the irish i just like i love going to italy because it's italian
00:32:31.640that doesn't mean i'm anti-swiss i just think italy should be italian and i think ireland they've got
00:32:37.500that woke mind virus where they sort of have Gadsaba called suicidal altruism.
00:32:43.680They want so badly to support the underdog that they're undermining themselves.
00:32:49.140I think you've hit on something very important in our psyche.
00:32:52.280The problem is we're actually too nice.
00:33:28.160that politics left are right, socialism, whatever,
00:33:30.800that economic, they are essentially disagreements amongst siblings, you know, that's what within a
00:33:36.660nation. And that's okay. Sometimes you'll have economic ups, sometimes you'll have economic
00:33:41.400downs. But you see, once you're all of that same family, once you have a bad time, you'll come
00:33:46.360together and you'll say, hey, let's get our dig ourselves out of this hole. But that social
00:33:50.280cohesion breaks down when you have people from all over the world who are pursuing maybe personal
00:33:56.220economic goals who are pursuing different goals who have you see that's the big issue a nation
00:34:01.180breaks down when you aren't all driven in the same direction and um so i absolutely agree that
00:34:07.340um as a all politics in all european nations at this point in canada as well is migration politics
00:34:15.120well we're sure going to keep an eye on it we enjoy coming over the warm welcome we have
00:34:19.760you know i i admire some of the independent journalists in ireland but there's very few
00:34:24.240of them. I've had a chance to meet many of them. I love gripped, G-R-I-P-T dot I-E. I think they're
00:34:30.220very credible. They do good journalism and they really made a difference. Um, there are some
00:34:36.180citizen journalists on the street with their, with their iPhone cameras. But I think that in
00:34:41.320addition to a political problem, Ireland really does have a media problem. When I say I attended
00:34:46.480some of these large rallies at it, they were often completely ignored by the regime media
00:34:52.200or of the regime media, as I call it, reported on them, it was to denigrate them, to paint them as
00:34:57.220extreme, to downplay the size of the turnout. Like, I know what it means to be in a 50,000 or
00:35:04.080100,000 person rally. I've been in them from Sao Paulo to London. Ireland has mustered a lot of
00:35:11.100people. And if it weren't for these independent media, no one would know. And I think that just
00:35:17.840like there's a media cartel sorry a political cartel in ireland there's a media cartel too
00:35:22.520give me give me a word on that before i i know we've kept you for a long time but just give me
00:35:26.500no i'm on the media situation delighted to talk don't worry as i said you do great work and i
00:35:32.080appreciate it so i'm more than happy to to to be here delighted but and that's a very important
00:35:37.140point again a lot of people in a lot of countries you know will in a troll way where you say ah
00:35:42.000the the media is bought and sold by the government but the problem is in ireland it's literally true
00:35:46.980It's literally true, okay, that what we have in Ireland is that there's numerous ways that government buys off the national media.
00:35:54.680The first way is they scrapped VAT, so your value-added tax on newspapers, which was at 12.5%, and they got rid of it down to 0%.
00:36:03.800The second way is that there is a government, sorry, a politics journalist government advisor pipeline.
00:36:10.940So the leaders of the various parties and the leading figures in government all have multiple advisers around them to the tune for the two for the two Fianna Fáil and Fianna Gael leaders.
00:36:21.380It's a million euro per year is being paid out to special advisers who are overwhelmingly drawn from politics journalists.
00:36:27.780So there's a massive incentive for them to be on side with the government.
00:36:30.760But then another very real and a very damaging way that the government owns or can do hands off editorializing of the news is through Commission the Man, which is our regulatory body for the media.
00:36:49.040And this Commission the Man, and if you were to go to their website, you would see it again, highly ideological, their mission statement driven by social justice theory.
00:36:57.820They hand out substantial grants, large grants every year or twice a year.
00:37:05.800And these are handed out to the national media to cover topics that are fundamental to government policy.
00:37:17.440So for the book Vandalizing Ireland, I went through all of these and I looked to see,
00:37:22.660Did any national media outlet get any money, any grant money to cover migration or climate agenda or populism in any way critical fashion to the government?
00:37:37.580So the government, in this hands-off way, but it's a very real way, by controlling the purse strings, they literally control the national media in Ireland.
00:37:47.180And it's unparalleled to another country in Europe.
00:37:49.760And in Canada, we have the CBC. In Ireland, it's RTE, and you can really feel the bias coming through.
00:37:57.900Well, listen, I love going to Ireland partly because people see us as an alternative source of information.
00:38:05.540And because we're coming from Canada and because, to be honest, I knew next to nothing about Ireland before I first set foot there a year or two ago,
00:38:12.860I think people can see I'm blank slate. I'm not on this side or that side.
00:38:17.540I'm just trying to figure it out using my Canadian experiences to guide me.
00:38:23.700And, you know, one of the things we just say is point the camera, just show what the camera shows.
00:38:28.300And in these marches, you know, one of these immigration marches, a couple of them, we would walk by the open borders advocates and I would note the difference in flags.
00:38:39.000The Irish marches had, they call it the tricolor.
00:39:44.120So it's just my name, at Owen, E-O-I-N, Lenehan, L-E-N-I-H-A-N, all one, at Owen Lenehan.
00:39:53.940And I like to just exactly, like you say, keep everyone up to date with what's happening there in Ireland.
00:39:58.140But again, let me just reiterate, thank you for what you're doing.
00:40:01.560You know, you're really bringing awareness internationally of, because I think most people still have this idea of Ireland, of the rolling green fields and, you know, the quiet man and all of this.
00:40:12.040but i mean i'm sure well you are i know from your reporting that you are stunned by the changes that
00:40:17.980are happening so thank you for bringing that to a wider audience well you're very kind and we love
00:40:21.860doing it and i have two videographers who go with me and each of them wants to be the videographer
00:40:27.120on the trip because they so enjoy the visit and by the way it is absolutely beautiful i mean when
00:40:32.340i was in dunbrum i felt like i was in a storybook it was impossibly beautiful and to to borrow a
00:40:39.100phrase from your book to vandalize that is so sinful it's like it really you know i sometimes
00:40:46.300say this when i'm in beautiful places it makes me nostalgic for them even though i'm even when
00:40:50.840i'm there i feel nostalgic for for how lovely they are thanks for your time keep up the fight
00:40:56.940and we'll stay in touch i hope i would love that thank you very much right on our pleasure there
00:41:02.000he is dr owen lenahan and his book is vandalizing ireland and i'll be back over there in the next
00:41:07.640week or so for a court case involving censorship, which is something we didn't have a chance to
00:41:12.680touch on today. But Ireland, unfortunately, is being known for its censorship. And we'll keep
00:41:17.880telling you that story. Well, that's our show for the day. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us
00:41:22.540here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.