Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ I have some new hope and I’d like to tell you why

00:00:00.260 Hello, my Rebels. Let me invite you to watch today's podcast, and by watch it, I mean get

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00:00:48.260 Tonight, I have some new hope, and I'd like to tell you why. It's November 26, and this

00:01:02.920 is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:06.740 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:10.440 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I have to

00:01:15.580 say to the government, the why I'm publishing, is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:20.380 We had a huge win in court yesterday, a senior court, the Alberta Court of Appeal. That's the

00:01:32.040 highest court in Alberta. Maybe you saw my quick video update about it yesterday, and please watch

00:01:38.040 Sheila Gunn-Reed's video on the subject too. Pastor Arthur Pavlovsky, his brother David, and a small

00:01:44.760 businessman named Chris Scott, they were all appealing an atrocious sentence that was handed

00:01:51.580 down by a lockdownist judge named Adam Germain, and the good guys won. Absolutely won. Justice Joanne

00:02:01.640 Stratkaff of the Court of Appeal heard an application by these three men, all with lawyers crowdfunded by us,

00:02:09.140 to stay the sentence that had been meted out against them. That is to freeze their sentence,

00:02:16.080 to suspend it on an emergency basis until a full proper appeal can be heard by the Court of Appeal

00:02:23.620 next year. As in, there will be a longer hearing at the Court of Appeal, probably with three judges,

00:02:32.280 but that won't happen until June. So Justice Stratkaff made an urgent ruling yesterday that effective

00:02:38.980 immediately, the most atrocious aspects of the sentence against these men are suspended.

00:02:46.260 They don't have to live under that sentence while they wait for the appeal in June.

00:02:52.560 Let me tell you, to get a stay, as it's called, is not easy. You have to prove irreparable harm

00:02:59.200 and a likelihood of the success of your appeal. So the fact that the three men won yesterday

00:03:04.780 is not only a great victory in itself, but it is a signal, I believe, that this atrocious sentence

00:03:11.540 will be properly torn to ribbons in June by the full Court of Appeal. This was a quick case.

00:03:18.680 The judge yesterday pronounced her ruling the same day, orally. She wouldn't wait. She'll put out a

00:03:25.380 written statement later, but she literally wouldn't wait an hour before freeing the men. If I were the

00:03:32.300 Alberta government, the prosecutors, the thuggish lower court judge who made this outrageous sentence

00:03:39.340 in the first place, I wouldn't be feeling very optimistic right now. Just some quick background

00:03:45.100 in case you forgot some of the details. You remember Pastor Arthur Pawlowski. He was the viral

00:03:51.780 international sensation when he hollered, get out, at police who had the audacity and the grossness

00:03:58.880 to come into his church physically in the middle of a church service. Well, the cops didn't like that

00:04:04.680 video going viral. So, you know, they returned the favor.

00:04:07.920 Three days in maximum security prison for him and his brother. Why did they have that SWAT team

00:04:28.560 style takedown? Was he dangerous? The third man who was jailed and sentenced was Chris Scott.

00:04:34.060 He runs really the only store in the tiny town of Mirror, Alberta. It's got a gas station general

00:04:39.580 store. They have some tables for lunch. Everyone in town knows the whistle stop. Everyone knows Chris

00:04:45.140 Scott. The town he's in is smaller than my old high school. There's no mystery in Mirror, Alberta.

00:04:51.920 There's no unknown people. You either kept going to the restaurant, which I think most normal people

00:04:57.400 in the town did, or you followed Teresa Tam's advice from out in Ottawa, and you stayed at home and

00:05:02.180 you lived in fear. You would think Alberta's cops would leave things alone, but they had a great

00:05:06.820 vengeance against Chris Scott. They put him behind bars as well. There's something really wrong with

00:05:13.840 Alberta these days. So anyways, these three men, the two Pavlovskis and Chris Scott, were sentenced

00:05:19.460 for contempt of court in the same time by the same judge. But this bizarre lower court judge I'm telling

00:05:25.220 about, Adam and Jermaine, he not only fined them, but he ordered them not to leave the province of

00:05:31.900 Alberta for more than a year. What? What? What does that have to do with opening their church or a

00:05:37.760 restaurant during the lockdown? Why are they forbidden to leave the province? Well, this bitter judge made

00:05:43.780 it clear in his sentencing he was personally furious that Pastor Arthur Pavlovsky had gone to the United

00:05:49.760 States on a speaking tour about civil liberties and churches. The judge specifically mentioned that.

00:05:57.100 He specifically condemned that. He specifically referred to Arthur taking a selfie with a U.S.

00:06:02.980 politician. What's that got to do with anything? Specifically raging at the fact that Arthur went

00:06:07.100 on Fox News. What's that got to do with anything? None of this had anything to do with his alleged

00:06:12.820 offense of keeping his church open for one hour. But to stop him from talking about it, he banned

00:06:18.920 Arthur from leaving the province. So no more speaking tours. And he did the most atrocious

00:06:22.580 thing, a deep embarrassment to the court system, truly bringing the administration of justice into

00:06:28.100 disrepute. Justice Jermaine actually ordered that from that moment on, whenever these three men ever

00:06:33.840 criticized the government on Facebook, in a speech, in a church sermon, in a media interview, they had to

00:06:41.260 immediately then take out a little speech that the judge himself wrote and read it, essentially

00:06:46.600 renouncing and denouncing themselves. Sorry, that's compelled speech. That's a Maoist struggle

00:06:53.920 session. That's what communists do. This disgraceful judge, Adam Jermaine, who's only a judge because he

00:07:01.680 ran and failed as a liberal politician. So Jean Chrétien put him on the court as a loot bag, as a

00:07:07.720 consolation prize. Adam Jermaine wrote a little homemade speech that he ordered these three men to say,

00:07:13.840 whenever they felt like saying their own political thoughts, they had to say his. What does any of

00:07:19.360 this have to do with, you know, their alleged offenses, refusing to close their church, refusing to

00:07:28.580 apologize for opening their church in their store? And since when do Canadian judges get to violate your

00:07:34.900 charter rights like that just because they're political hacks like Adam Jermaine? So awful, so abusive, 0.92

00:07:40.920 but really, why not? I've been paying attention to the laws and orders and trials and punishments

00:07:48.800 since this pandemic started. As you know, we represent over 2,000 people who have had lockdown

00:07:53.860 tickets and fines. That's our Fight the Fines project. And now we're getting involved in bigger

00:07:57.500 battles over vaccine passports. I've seen cases in many provinces, in different courts, at different

00:08:04.380 levels. We've crowdfunded for many of them, and they all have one thing in common. No judge has ever

00:08:11.280 struck down a pandemic law. Every case is lost. Now, our Fight the Fines cases are winning, but those are

00:08:17.840 small tickets. But the bigger cases, the constitutional, they've all lost. No matter what the plaintiff looks

00:08:24.180 like, loud people like Pastor Arthur, quiet people like Pastor James Coates, rude people, polite people,

00:08:32.800 religious people, non-religious people, people of every and any background, people with great lawyers,

00:08:37.840 people with not so great lawyers, people with no lawyers, everyone has lost in any substantial

00:08:42.100 challenge to the laws. I think the absolute strongest case so far was earlier this year when our

00:08:49.600 own reporter at the time, Kian Bextie, was detained at the Calgary Airport Hotel quarantine when he flew

00:08:56.100 into Calgary from the United States. Now, he had parked his car at the airport, and he wanted to just

00:09:00.400 go straight into his car and straight home to quarantine the home. But the government forced him

00:09:04.320 to pay outrageous fees to stay at the airport quarantine hotel. And he counted, he actually had

00:09:11.120 interactions with 14 different people at that hotel as opposed to just heading straight home in his own car.

00:09:17.100 So I thought that was a powerful case. There were some other plaintiffs in the same hearing,

00:09:21.740 other lawyers too, some good lawyers. The facts were so strong. This was a three-day detention of

00:09:27.560 healthy people, of innocent people, at great expense. And there was absolutely no health reason to do so.

00:09:34.520 None. Like I say, how is quarantining in a public hotel safer than in your private home? It just doesn't

00:09:40.480 make sense. Well, here's how that case ended. The federal court not only upheld the legality of the

00:09:47.660 jails, but they ruled that it didn't even violate the charter. They said it didn't even count as a

00:09:53.200 detention. You're literally detained by force of law for three days. And the federal court wouldn't

00:10:00.280 even concede that it was a detention. They didn't say it's a detention, but it's justified because of 0.87

00:10:06.360 blah, blah, blah, blah. They literally just said, no, no, no, no, no. There's nothing wrong here. We

00:10:10.140 don't even have to justify anything because it's not even a detention. Really? Yeah. So the judge said

00:10:16.420 so much for our democracy's supposed checks and balances. I'll admit it. I have been pessimistic.

00:10:23.100 I have not been hopeless, but I've been close. There's a difference between optimism

00:10:29.560 and hope. I think hope is when you believe in your heart that things could get better.

00:10:35.940 I think optimism is when you think with your brain that they will get better. I don't know.

00:10:40.460 One sort of faith and one is reason. Is that? That's my attempt at distinguishing between the

00:10:44.960 two words, optimism and hope. You tell me. So I have been pessimistic, even very pessimistic,

00:10:51.020 because when I use my brain, I see every force in society in league with the lockdown, every

00:10:56.200 government in Canada and every opposition in Canada and every corporate media outlet and every

00:11:01.500 big business and small business and every chamber of commerce and every traditional civil liberties

00:11:05.860 group, every university, every pundit and every judge. That hotel case made me pessimistic. If that's

00:11:12.260 not going to win, what would? Earlier, I said every small business. No, let me change that. A lot of

00:11:17.480 small businesses did try and fight, but they were almost alone. Every human rights commission refused to

00:11:22.860 uphold human rights. Every college of physicians and surgeons launched inquisitions against doctors

00:11:28.180 who stand with their patients. The college is siding with politicians against doctors and their

00:11:34.100 patients. Just yesterday, a police raid on a doctor's office in Calgary. Yeah, that's why I'm pessimistic.

00:11:42.060 But this news from the case of Arthur and David Pawlowski and Chris Scott, it gave me hope, hope that maybe the

00:11:48.940 smarter, more senior, more serious, more grown-up judges in the country are about to weigh in and

00:11:54.060 reset the balance. I don't know. Maybe the grown-ups have realized this is going too far. That's my hope.

00:12:00.340 You know, the same Justice Strekaff that ruled against Justice Germain and upheld the rights of

00:12:07.260 the Pawlowski just last week was on the Court of Appeal that ruled against Rebel News on a billboard

00:12:12.560 free speech case. We're seeking leave to appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada on that. But I mentioned

00:12:18.520 that to show that Justice Strekaff, the good judge who stayed the abusive sentence against these three

00:12:25.100 men, she's ruled against us before, just recently. So this must have been a really egregious case for

00:12:30.900 her. These three men, the Pawlowski's and Chris Scott. I am pleased. I am hopeful. And I know this,

00:12:38.820 this wouldn't happen without our little system. And by that, I mean our outstanding lawyers

00:12:43.660 who were there in court. We were crowdfunding the lawyers for all three men. I don't have the legal

00:12:49.620 bills in front of me, but I am certain we've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars between these

00:12:54.160 three men over the last year. Again, it's the unlimited resources of the state. We had excellent

00:13:00.400 lawyers and we won yesterday. Now those lawyers would not have been possible without our Rebel News

00:13:06.760 viewers chipping in. There's just no way that an ordinary pastor or a diner owner in Muir, Alberta

00:13:13.240 could muster that kind of dough. There's just no way at all. And even finding the best lawyers around,

00:13:18.160 that matters too. And appealing every single loss aggressively, even against all odds, refusing to

00:13:24.500 say die, refusing to give up. That's what did it. That's only possible because of our Rebel News

00:13:31.260 viewers and donors. And that's what's so sad and so scary is that it was just us there. No one else

00:13:39.720 was in court with us for these men. No civil liberties group, no chamber of commerce for the

00:13:45.180 restaurateur, no religious group chipping in for the pastors. We're not for our lawyers and we're not for

00:13:51.780 our funders. And by that, I mean you. This atrocious sentence would still be the law and it would be the

00:13:57.920 new precedent that you could order people to denounce themselves. Compelled speech. Think about that. We not

00:14:06.100 only set aside the sentence that was abusing these three men, we not only freed these three men, but we now

00:14:12.860 have a judge, Adam Germain, who was seriously rebuked for the idea of compelled speech. And that would have been

00:14:19.920 an awful precedent to let stand. If we weren't there in court, who would have been? I salute

00:14:27.600 the three men for fighting. I salute the lawyers for their smarts and their energy. But it is our Rebel

00:14:35.520 News viewers who paid for it. I hope you feel pride and satisfaction. And I hope you feel just a little

00:14:45.000 bit hopeful again. I do. The battle is not over. It's going to get worse yet before it gets better.

00:14:52.180 But today, for the first time in nearly two years, I can say that I truly believe in my heart

00:14:58.560 that we can win. I don't know if we will win, but I again believe that it is possible.

00:15:06.020 Thank you for being a part of this. And thanks to our great reporters on the ground in Alberta,

00:15:13.780 Sheila Gunn-Reed, Adam Sos, Kian Simone, the rest of our team, for telling the story of these men too.

00:15:21.740 Thanks for being part of it. Stay with us for more.

00:15:25.460 Well, this news of the victory in the Court of Appeal of Alberta yesterday,

00:15:43.740 staying the worst parts of the sentence against Arthur Pawlowski's brother David and Chris Scott

00:15:49.500 has just been ricocheting around in my mind like a pinball. I'm thrilled with the result,

00:15:56.440 but it's done more than just give me some hope for the particular clients. It's given me a hope

00:16:01.400 that in general, maybe we will see some return to rationality and the concept of checks and balances.

00:16:08.540 You know, the idea that the different branches of government hold each other to account that the

00:16:13.540 judiciary can limit the excesses of the executive and the legislature. It's given me a little bit of

00:16:19.480 hope, but I have only heard about it through Sheila Gunn-Reed, who was live tweeting the court.

00:16:27.600 She was watching online, as court cases are these days, and was live tweeting it. She was there,

00:16:34.340 and I'm delighted to call her in now to join us with a personal update. Sheila, it's great to see

00:16:39.480 you. I am so hopeful about this case. Yeah, me too. I mean, we've seen a lot of victories. I would

00:16:48.000 definitely call them victories along the fight the fines case pipeline. We've seen those. But what's

00:16:54.240 happening with those is the Crown is withdrawing the expensive tickets before we get to a place in

00:17:00.880 the process where we can set legal precedent by fighting the ticket and winning the ticket. The

00:17:05.540 Crown says, we're just going to withdraw. We don't want to get to that point. What happened here is

00:17:11.320 totally different. We went all the way, and we got to the sanctions portion, and we appealed the

00:17:19.200 sanctions while we appeal everything else. And what Justice Strekoff ruled yesterday was a complete

00:17:27.440 and total rebuke of Justice Adam Germain, who ruled that not only are Chris Scott and the Poloski

00:17:37.740 Brothers prohibited from traveling around the country and telling people what is exactly happening 0.97

00:17:45.700 here in Alberta on the ground. But they have to preface every single public statement, not with

00:17:51.300 just the government's line, but the more and more I think about it, it's really Justice Adam Germain's

00:17:58.880 words that he ordered be put in the mouths of these men before they make any statement critical of

00:18:04.340 lockdowns, vaccines, and government restrictions. You know, it's truly incredible. And I know that

00:18:12.820 every judge is appointed by a politician, but some judges before they sit on the bench have a stellar

00:18:19.860 career in the law. They're skilled litigators who are outstanding experts in contract law or

00:18:27.180 constitutional law. And they really are so smart that people of any stripe say, wow, that guy's or that

00:18:33.180 girl's so smart, we got to get him on the bench, because they're going to help improve our country. That was 0.51

00:18:37.140 not the way Adam Germain got on the court. He was a failed liberal politician. And Jean Chrétien has two big

00:18:45.900 gifts for guys like that, put him in the Senate, or put him on the bench, both are appointments till like 75. And

00:18:53.020 unfortunately for the country, he put Adam Germain, liberal failed politician on the bench. And who knows how many

00:19:00.820 bizarre judgments he's dealt out over the years, but he's been exposed, I think, by this case, and his raw fury, and I

00:19:11.480 think bigotry against the Pavlovskis, very disheartening when it happened. But why do I feel good that the court of

00:19:20.100 appeal has slapped him down?

00:19:23.920 Yeah, I mean, it's, it's really something to see, because if this judgment were just left hanging there, this would be

00:19:30.760 something that could be used against other lockdown critics going forward, people who find themselves on the wrong

00:19:36.560 side of a secretly obtained court order, as was the case here. This could have been just a precedent. I sat in on all these

00:19:45.780 court hearings, where the lawyers were referencing other cases of lockdowners receiving large fines, just to put

00:19:55.100 into context for the judge, what should have been done here. So this would have been out there as you know, a

00:20:04.020 comparable case for other people by which to ask a judge for these sort of similar sanctions. But it's, we should

00:20:12.400 note that Alberta Health Services, as out of control as they are, as wild and crazy as they are, as sinister

00:20:20.260 as they are, getting this court order secretly obtained, ex parte, without letting the Poloski's lawyer, Sarah

00:20:27.860 Miller, know, or Chad Williamson's, or Chad Williamson, who's the lawyer for Chris Scott. Alberta Health Services

00:20:33.800 never asked for the travel ban that was levied against these men. Alberta Health Services never asked for the

00:20:39.320 compelled speech order either. That is something that Justice Adam Germain just cooked up in his own

00:20:44.280 head. Alberta Health Services knew that this would look pretty gross if they asked for anything beyond

00:20:51.880 expecting the men to comply with the public health orders of the day, because for Alberta Health Services,

00:20:58.000 so they say this was always about keeping the community safe. I'm not so sure about that. Feels like it was

00:21:03.120 about teaching everybody a lesson. And they wanted fines and community service and court costs.

00:21:10.720 They got all that. But Judge Germain cooked up this other stuff that nobody asked for.

00:21:17.600 On the flip side, though, Alberta Health Services, they sure didn't object when Germain ordered these

00:21:23.400 things into the judgment. And they were there yesterday fighting to keep them in. So while they didn't ask for

00:21:29.480 them, they were more than happy to have found out that Germain just went off script and did his own

00:21:34.800 thing. Yeah. You know, I was watching part of the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in the United States. And

00:21:40.540 one of the instructions to jury members is not to do any research of your own, not to look at the news,

00:21:47.620 not to Google things. And the reason for that is you may think you found something really on point,

00:21:53.860 but maybe it's wrong. Maybe it's misleading. And both sides haven't had a chance to sort of deal

00:21:59.980 with it. So even if you think you've, you have just a very simple question you need to answer,

00:22:04.760 the judges say to the jury members, don't use any facts or information other than what you've heard

00:22:10.860 in the trial. And it's a very important point. And it also in a way applies to a judge, except for you

00:22:18.700 normally don't have to tell a judge that. And the reason I mentioned that is there was nothing

00:22:24.940 in the court cases against the Pavlovskis or Chris Scott that had to do with fake news or junk science

00:22:37.840 or conspiracy theories or whatever, like all these things that the media have smeared these men with.

00:22:45.060 It just simply wasn't part of the case against them. The case was very simple. They kept their

00:22:50.340 church open during the lockdown and Chris Scott kept his diner open during the lockdown. That's

00:22:54.640 the case. And so what happened is Judge Germain read the news on his own that was not disputed or

00:23:03.460 debated in his courtroom. And he meted out a punishment for the stuff he read in the news that wasn't

00:23:10.460 tested in court. So that's where his ban on travel came from, because he hated the fact that he saw

00:23:16.660 Arthur Pavlovsky taking a selfie with an American politician. That's where the travel ban came from.

00:23:24.660 That's where the self-denunciation came from. It had nothing to do with the case in front of the court.

00:23:30.780 So that judge, Germain, made the mistake that amateur jury members are instructed not to make,

00:23:37.240 which is sorry. You can't do your own thing. You can't scratch your own personal itches.

00:23:42.720 And I just want to say, Sheila, last I checked, our petition to take Justice Germain to the

00:23:49.100 Canadian Judicial Council to have him investigated had well over 25,000 signatures. And folks,

00:23:54.980 if you hadn't put your name to it yet, please consider doing so. Go to firethejudge.com.

00:24:00.520 It's rare that a judge is fired in Canada, but it does happen. And this judge is so out of control.

00:24:06.240 And I'm not saying that it was just the wrong decision. Judges can get it wrong,

00:24:11.340 and that's fine. The court of appeal fixes it. But this judge was abusive towards the brothers,

00:24:18.380 used his own grudges and his own fake information. And this judge should never have been in the court

00:24:25.520 in the first place. So please go to firethejudge.com, and we'll see what can happen. Anyways,

00:24:29.820 don't mind me ranting a bit, Sheila. I'm feeling pretty good, actually.

00:24:33.040 Yeah. And people at that special website, firethejudge.com, there's a special link

00:24:38.440 there where you can click on and send a personalized message to the Canadian Judicial

00:24:42.320 Council. I'm sure they get maybe five emails a month. Send them as many as you can to let them

00:24:52.100 know how seriously we're taking this. Because it was pretty clear that the judge let his own prejudice

00:24:58.300 against lockdown objectors seep in. Because as you rightly point out, the only thing that they

00:25:07.820 really did wrong here was, it's not like they were out pamphleting anti-vaccine information or

00:25:13.720 selling fake COVID cures. It wasn't any of that. Chris Scott refused to go broke quietly. And then when

00:25:22.660 the government seized his property, he wanted to hold a protest of that which the government has

00:25:28.040 just done to them. The Poloskis just wanted to open church because they see themselves as frontline 1.00

00:25:34.000 workers. Just like police and EMS, they minister and take care of the immediate needs of the poor

00:25:40.900 in Calgary. That's all they wanted to do. But Justice Streka yesterday said to an Alberta Health

00:25:47.880 Services lawyer, and her question garnered about 20 minutes of stunned, confused silence from a

00:25:54.220 government lawyer, which usually they just like to hear themselves talk. She asked the government

00:25:59.960 lawyer, if this compelled speech sanction does not qualify as irreparable harm against these men,

00:26:09.060 can you please tell me what does? And he couldn't. He couldn't answer her. Because it does,

00:26:15.140 when you are violating somebody's charter rights, do not speak what's on their heart about the things

00:26:21.580 that which the government is directly doing to them. That's irreparable harm. You're forcing someone

00:26:27.720 to, especially somebody like Art, who, you know, for him, he takes his moral convictions very seriously.

00:26:36.200 For him, this is a matter of his soul, his eternity, if he violates his conscience. And that is what

00:26:43.720 Justice Adam Germain in his anti-Christian bigotry. Those are my words, not any of the lawyers. But

00:26:49.300 that's what I think is at play here. Yeah. Well, I feel like this is a flicker of hope that when the

00:26:55.900 more senior judges, the calmer judges, the judges that are perhaps more sober-minded, more public-minded,

00:27:04.820 calmer, you know, if you're on the court of appeal, you may have gotten your toe in the door in court

00:27:13.300 through patronage like Adam Germain, but you're probably not getting on the court of appeal until

00:27:18.400 you've really proven you're a great judge. Like any second-hand, third-rate lawyer can get on the

00:27:25.420 bench if you donate enough to a prime minister. That's Adam Germain. But to move from regular judge

00:27:32.300 to one of the handful of court of appeal judges, I don't care what your ideology is, you're probably

00:27:38.180 smart and accomplished. And you're probably a good judge just from, like, you're not going to get

00:27:44.180 bumped up on a patronage as you got bumped in on a patronage. So I'm glad that as we get to the

00:27:51.880 court of appeal level in so many of these cases, we're going to have those smarter, more careful,

00:27:57.000 less wild judges. And hopefully the pendulum will start swinging back. And Sheila, as I said in my

00:28:02.940 monologue, if we hadn't been there, no one would have been. There was no one else who was going to

00:28:11.460 stand up against this compelled speech. And by we, I mean lawyers that were crowdfunded by Rebel News

00:28:17.240 viewers, lawyers to represent all three of those men. And I shudder to think what would happen if that

00:28:23.960 sentence had become the precedent. Last word to you.

00:28:28.600 Well, I just want to thank everybody at home for their generous donations to SaveArthur.com and to

00:28:35.760 FightTheFines.com. I saw the impact of your donations play out in real time yesterday. There's absolutely

00:28:43.660 no way the Poloskis could have fought this the way that they have. There's absolutely no way that Chris 0.70

00:28:49.320 Scott could have fought for his own free speech, the way that donations were able to enable for him.

00:28:57.260 And so I'm just so very grateful that we have this opportunity to be the vehicle to provide support

00:29:03.980 to these frontline freedom fighters in the interest of free speech. So thank you to everybody at home.

00:29:11.000 None of this is possible without you.

00:29:13.140 Yeah, it's a good feeling to see that finally pay off. And we've been helping Arthur since April

00:29:18.540 of 2020. If you can believe it, when you think about it, that's quite a battle. I mean, we're not

00:29:24.180 done yet. The Court of Appeal full hearing is in June, but I am pretty, pretty pleased with how it's

00:29:30.700 going. Sheila, thanks. And you've been on the FightTheFines project and the FightVaccinePassports.com

00:29:37.340 project for two years yourself. So you have, I think, done the lion's share of our reporting on

00:29:44.580 these subjects. And I think it's very important, very important. So thank you for the work you've

00:29:48.980 done as our chief reporter. Well, it sure keeps my tank full when I need this sort of inspiration to

00:29:57.080 go out there and tackle the day's news. It's good to see the people that we're able to help and interact

00:30:02.520 with them all the time. You know, in a time where all the news is bad, I get to hear about how we're

00:30:07.840 able to help people and make the day a little bit better for their families. So again, all of that

00:30:12.480 possible through our donors at home. Right on. Thanks, Sheila. Thanks, Ezra. Cheers. There's

00:30:18.580 Sheila Gunn-Reed, our chief reporter. Stay with us. Your views are next.

00:30:32.520 Hey, welcome back. Your viewer feedback. Ken Barrett, 77 says,

00:30:39.900 if your mRNA treatment is so effective, then why do you cling to your no liability so tightly?

00:30:46.380 Exactly. The whole concept of product liability, it's actually centuries old. Now, I understand

00:30:54.080 people taking something out of desperation. They say, I don't care what the risk is. I need it so badly.

00:31:00.880 Let me take it. I support people's right to do that, actually. If they know the risks, but they're

00:31:07.580 so... It's like if someone runs out of medical solutions to, God forbid, cancer. I would support

00:31:15.540 their right to choose alternative treatments, even if they're not proven. If you're dying anyways,

00:31:20.880 let someone make the choice. But we have the exact opposite situation here. You're being forced on pain

00:31:27.100 of losing your job, losing your access to public life. You're being forced to take something you

00:31:32.480 don't want to take, and there's no legal liability there. That is, that's the worst case.

00:31:40.880 Luke Doe DT says, we should have a choice if we want to pay for certain services these liberals

00:31:47.160 provide, tied to paying for his holidays and royal living. You know, you could be talking about so many

00:31:54.060 different people. But, you know, I just assume you're talking about Justin Trudeau and his endless

00:31:59.400 days off. He skipped parliament already, if you can believe him. Daniel Baer said, what? The courts

00:32:07.100 actually acted with some level of real justice? Thank God for small mercies. At this stage of the

00:32:12.640 game, I'll take any good news. Let's keep this going. Thanks. I'm sure you're writing about the case of

00:32:18.080 Arthur Pawlowski, his brother, and Chris Scott. I just want to say again, and I said this in our

00:32:23.220 staff meeting this morning, if Rebel News viewers had not crowdfunded those talented lawyers who won

00:32:31.220 in court yesterday, there's no way that these plaintiffs, Arthur Pawlowski's brother David and

00:32:40.340 Chris, there's just no way they would have been able to afford top lawyers. I'm sorry, they just don't

00:32:44.820 have an extra 200 grand kicking around or whatever the total cost over the last year has been.

00:32:50.240 And no one else was in there. The Civil Liberties Association was not in there. There was no religious

00:32:55.420 charity fighting for the pastors. There was no business group like the Chamber of Commerce fighting

00:33:00.180 for the restaurateur. They wouldn't have been to court. They wouldn't have been able to appeal.

00:33:06.740 And so the sentence meted out, this compelled speech sentence, that would now be Canadian precedence.

00:33:13.940 Can you believe that? It's a miracle to me that Rebel News viewers fill the gap. And I thank you for

00:33:21.980 it. And I want to tell you, it's put me in a positive mood. I was, I won't lie, I was getting a

00:33:27.020 little down in the dumps. But I feel like there's a little bit of hope out there now. I hope you feel

00:33:32.140 the same way. Let me close by showing you the video of the day, as we call it, our friend Tamara

00:33:37.620 Ugolini, at the Belleville Wild Wings, still fighting vaccine passports. I'll say goodbye to 1.00

00:33:43.960 you now. Until next time, keep fighting for freedom. And look at Tamara, a great freedom 0.99

00:33:49.520 fighter herself. Take a look. 0.93

00:33:51.320 How do they expect businesses who don't have background in law, we're not lawyers, we're

00:33:57.640 business owners. So how are we supposed to honour and walk within the law when it is very confusing

00:34:06.140 right now? This court case could potentially set a precedent. And it's important for all

00:34:11.380 Canadians. It's important for the future of our children. It's important for the freedoms

00:34:16.820 that we believe we have now to continue.

00:34:19.140 With Rebel News, I'm Tamara Ugolini back in Belleville, Ontario with owner Jackie Banas

00:34:27.960 at Wild Wings, her establishment where you came into the Rebel through our We Won't Ask 0.66

00:34:34.280 campaign. That's the campaign geared towards small businesses who think that it's none of

00:34:38.820 their business whether or not people divulge their personal medical information in order

00:34:44.420 to dine in or frequent your establishment. So since the time of that interview, I guess

00:34:49.100 we're going on about a month later now. What has the support or what has the atmosphere

00:34:54.780 look like for you here at Wild Wings?

00:34:57.220 So it's actually been phenomenal. The support that we receive here is outstanding. And I

00:35:03.420 just want to thank everyone. You guys have been incredible. New people that we've never

00:35:08.180 seen dine here before. People are driving great distances to come and support us. And then

00:35:14.380 the locals are showing up more frequently than they had previously just to really show support.

00:35:20.060 So we've we've found I've actually like normally on a Friday night before any of this started,

00:35:26.880 we would need maybe four staff. We now needed seven on a Friday night to get through the kind

00:35:32.080 of busy rush that we had. And now we have multiple rushes back to back. So just seeing the amount of

00:35:38.280 support. It's it's funny, the people that we have conversations and we sort of like there's multiple

00:35:44.560 people just in tears. The conversations that people are having now seem to be really authentic and

00:35:49.480 connecting. So it's just really nice to see people so grateful and happy and appreciative and

00:35:55.500 supportive of us and grateful for the support we are giving them. And it's it's almost like,

00:36:01.780 you know, building a community when that's been so degraded over the last almost two years.

00:36:07.800 How does that compare with what you're hearing from other businesses who have decided to

00:36:13.480 enforce what may be an unconstitutional law?

00:36:17.260 Yeah. So I don't know. I haven't spoken to a lot of other business owners, but I have spoken to other

00:36:23.280 people who are either frequenting other businesses or work at them because the way the regulations are

00:36:30.180 written that people can work at other restaurants don't need to be vaccinated, but then they're not

00:36:36.100 even allowed to dine at their own restaurant they work at. And so I know it's funny. But so we do have

00:36:43.220 some local servers that are working at other restaurants and they come here for meals and

00:36:49.240 then they also do say that they've noticed the business has slowed down dramatically at some of

00:36:55.240 the other restaurants. I've noticed if I've gone for takeout somewhere, because I'm still trying to

00:37:00.740 support every business in town the best I can, restaurants especially. So we try to get some takeout

00:37:05.380 frequently from different places. And even when I go there, if they are offering dine in options,

00:37:10.400 there's maybe only one table or two tables on a Friday, Saturday night, which we're packed every

00:37:16.300 table, you know. So the people are clearly standing here with you. The hammer has essentially come down

00:37:23.280 on you since our last report. Tell us where you're at with the health unit and what's happened.

00:37:30.700 So I think I had received 21 fines the last time you were here. But if not, we're up to 21.

00:37:40.600 And then the health unit contacted the liquor board, the AGCO, and advised them that because of the fines

00:37:48.720 that they had issued, they were all sort of of the opinion I was no longer in good standing with the

00:37:54.080 health unit. Even though at this moment in time, I have chosen to plead not guilty on all of those fines.

00:38:00.420 And send them to the courts for an actual trial. Right now, the AGCO has suspended my liquor license.

00:38:08.240 So they are right now treating me as guilty, needing to prove my innocence versus the way

00:38:13.760 Canadian law really should be innocent until proven guilty. Which I believe is why they've only

00:38:20.040 suspended it. They're trying to take some actions, but they haven't revoked it completely. So I guess

00:38:26.580 that's kind of where they're in that gray area of still trying to treat me somewhat innocent versus

00:38:30.580 guilty all the way. But so then last week, the AGCO, after several conversations with them, and they

00:38:37.880 got information from the health department, they did decide to suspend us. So last week, they suspended

00:38:43.460 us. And then somehow, I'm not sure, but somehow then I don't know if the AGCO contacted some news

00:38:49.220 outlets. But on Friday, I got a lot of information, different people contacting me, different news

00:38:56.340 outlets contacting me, like CTV, CP24, like big ones, you know, down in Toronto. And so there was a lot of

00:39:02.720 articles put out. I did do some interviews, radio interviews, just explaining the position of the AGCO.

00:39:11.500 And then I've also received a letter from the health unit, they've now taken a court action against

00:39:20.700 me. So they brought an application under section nine of the ROA. And so that will be happening on

00:39:27.660 Thursday, where we're going to be defending that. And so you've hired a legal team, and you are working

00:39:35.740 within the law to push back against this. How can our viewers or the general public support you?

00:39:44.780 So yeah, we've, we've decided that the best way to try to fight this, we're hoping is to use the law,

00:39:51.240 and stay within the law. We're not trying to just break all laws. I know that it might appear because

00:39:57.240 we're not asking for vaccine status. And we're not aggressively pushing every single patron who comes

00:40:04.380 in here to make sure they have a mask on. We're honoring the exemptions, according to even what

00:40:09.160 the health unit has told us, there are exemptions. It's against the law for us to ask what an exemption

00:40:14.200 is. So we're honoring if guests show up, or if staff choose not to wear a mask, we're honoring that

00:40:20.380 they are claiming the exemption. And we believe that the asking for the medical information of whether

00:40:29.080 someone is vaccinated or not is violating many laws, privacy acts and human rights discrimination laws and all

00:40:39.660 sorts of things. So we're doing our best to try to work within the law. When it appears to me and our staff

00:40:46.340 here, it appears that some of the laws are conflicting and contradicting each other. So we're doing our best to try to

00:40:53.940 honor as much of all the laws as we can without violating any of them. And so that's part of what

00:41:01.260 will hopefully be discussed during the court case on Thursday, November 25th, is bringing light to the

00:41:09.540 fact that the laws are kind of conflicting with one another. And how do they expect businesses who don't

00:41:17.260 have background in law, we're not lawyers, we're business owners. So how are we supposed to

00:41:21.940 honor and and walk within the law? When it is very confusing right now?

00:41:28.940 You're not lawyers, and you're also not doctors, you're not health professionals. Some of your staff

00:41:34.160 maybe is even not allowed to determine whether someone's of age to drink. And yet they're being

00:41:39.960 asked to check people's IDs for their medical status. The whole thing seems very discombobulated.

00:41:47.220 Now, this is comes at no small cost to you, Jackie, your personal cost associated with fighting against

00:41:54.880 this, what you called off camera, this Goliath. So how are you funding this? And and how can you know,

00:42:02.820 your patrons support you in taking this stand? Because obviously, there's massive support for you,

00:42:08.220 as evidenced by how busy you are. Yeah, actually, that's sorry, it brings up a lot of emotion when

00:42:14.400 you talk about this, because, you know, I've I've spent a lot of time with with God and learning

00:42:21.840 about how money is just a tool and and that a lot of people have a lot of attachment to it. And I've

00:42:26.560 worked a lot in my life to break any attachment to money. So when God said to move forward with this,

00:42:34.260 because it's something that is necessary. This court case could potentially set a precedent. And

00:42:40.660 it's important for all Canadians. It's important for the future of our children. It's important for

00:42:46.320 the freedoms that we believe we have now to continue. It's important for all of that. And so

00:42:52.780 if God said, move forward, then I said, Okay, but it is going to be expensive. I personally don't have

00:42:59.940 all the money that I believe it might come to my own lawyer fees are expensive. And potentially,

00:43:07.780 depending on what the judge rules, if the judge does not see eye to eye on us, and rules against

00:43:14.220 us, then I will be held liable for the other side's court costs as well. So it potentially could

00:43:21.040 get extremely expensive. People have suggested I don't always like asking for help. But people have

00:43:27.520 suggested that I do start a crowdfunding to because the people come in here and they'll just give me

00:43:32.680 cash. People are just like, you know, how can we help and they'll give me a $5 bill here, just anything

00:43:37.200 that helps to go towards it. But people did suggest if I could get a crowdfunding going that it might

00:43:42.680 be able to help support financially a little bit more. And where can people find that?

00:43:48.320 So we're, we used the give send go platform. So it's www.give send go.com slash wild wing

00:43:58.600 Belleville. And of course, just coming and having a bite to eat tipping your server. Well,

00:44:04.520 these are small things that again, you you told me off camera that help toward bettering the future

00:44:11.680 of small business and freedom of choice in Canada. It was really funny. We actually had this one was the

00:44:16.700 best. We had a customer who lives in Windsor place an online order. And in his notes, he said,

00:44:22.760 don't actually make the food, I won't be there to pick it up. I just wanted to give you some money to

00:44:27.180 help. And so he just that was the way he knew how to do it as he placed an online order, and then said,

00:44:32.500 but please don't make it so we didn't waste the food. So you know, people are doing whatever it is

00:44:36.420 they can to help and people are calling and offering support. And there's also on that give send go

00:44:41.720 there's a prayer request section. So you can just add your prayers to the list of everybody else praying.

00:44:46.700 Well, keep me posted how things go on Thursday. I hope that this interview will go out before then,

00:44:52.360 or maybe even on Thursday. And we'll see how the judge rules based on the use of lawyers

00:45:01.120 and law in Ontario to challenge the reopening Ontario Act. In Belleville, Ontario. I'm Tamara

00:45:08.700 Ugolini for Rebel News. If you question whether or not asking people for their medical documents to

00:45:16.300 dine in or frequent your establishment is actually within the law. And some of these

00:45:21.460 laws and regulations and rules seem to be conflicting with one another, then head on over to our campaign

00:45:28.540 at wewontask.com. It's a portal for small businesses who won't be asking people to divulge their personal

00:45:34.820 information in order to enter or dine in at their establishment. You can sign up for our campaign

00:45:41.020 there. We'll send you some nifty stickers if you choose to put them up, and maybe we'll even feature

00:45:45.200 your business. All of that information can be found at wewontask.com.

Rebel News Podcast - November 27, 2021

EZRA LEVANT ｜ I have some new hope and I’d like to tell you why

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