Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ If the lockdowns are over, why is Pastor Artur Pawlowski still in jail？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. I saw over the weekend that Jason Kenney had said, come on, everybody,

00:00:04.420 get over the lockdown, move on already. That's ancient history. Well, it's not really ancient

00:00:08.120 history because right now there's a political prisoner in Alberta who's literally in prison

00:00:12.860 because he opposed the lockdowns. His name is Pastor Arthur Pawlowski. I'll take you through

00:00:17.680 Kenney's statement and I'll show you the facts that Kenney isn't mentioning. It's very disappointing.

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00:01:02.360 Tonight, if the lockdowns are over, why is Pastor Arthur Pawlowski still in jail?

00:01:23.340 It's March 14th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:28.980 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:32.740 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:36.840 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my

00:01:41.400 bloody right to do so.

00:01:42.680 Jason Kenney says the lockdown is over, and that everyone should just get over it already.

00:01:54.080 And I would just say I'm not quite sure what the protest is about because Alberta effectively does 1.00

00:01:59.440 not have any more public health measures. They've all been lifted some time ago. And I would suggest

00:02:08.060 that maybe people could find more productive ways of expressing their frustration. But maybe here's

00:02:14.000 an idea. How about we all just move on from the frustration of COVID? How about we leave it in the

00:02:17.760 rearview mirror? I mean, there are still some remaining federal travel restrictions, which we think

00:02:21.140 are wrong. We have a motion in the legislature calling on the federal government to drop the

00:02:27.020 pointless federal travel restrictions. But I guess the point I would make is we could spend the rest of

00:02:33.980 our lives in this society arguing over COVID, which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Or we could just

00:02:40.320 move forward. Here's the good news. Alberta's emerging into a period of dynamic economic growth. There's lots

00:02:46.000 of good news now and on the horizon. I say let's embrace that positive future as opposed to getting stuck

00:02:54.220 in the division of the past two years. Every family, every community, business, faith group, we all know

00:03:01.280 people have been divided over COVID. Let's stop accentuating the division. Let's find ways to

00:03:05.820 come together as Albertans. Got it. So please forget what he's done for the past two years.

00:03:13.100 Please forget what he said you had to do, what he did to you. Please forget how he and the ruling

00:03:20.380 class, not just in Alberta, but across the country, exempted themselves from their own lockdown laws.

00:03:25.580 Please forget that the term lockdown had heretofore only been used to describe prisoners locked in

00:03:33.780 their prison cells as a form of collective punishment by an all-powerful prison warden.

00:03:40.280 And now it's being used to lock innocent people like you down to tell you if and when and where you

00:03:47.680 could go out of your own home and indeed who you could even have in your home. Of course,

00:03:53.760 Jason Kenney himself didn't follow those rules. None of the politicians did. None of Kenney's team

00:03:59.740 did. His own cabinet ministers broke the rules. So many of them were caught. His own chief of staff

00:04:08.000 broke the rules. By the way, when that chief of staff received, when he resigned in disgrace,

00:04:15.920 he still received his full severance. In other words, he got a massive cash reward

00:04:24.380 for breaking the rules that he enforced on others. Were any of these ruling elites charged with an

00:04:30.980 offense, let alone jailed? Are you kidding me? That's for the little people. Little people like 1.00

00:04:38.460 Arthur Pawlowski. We just unveiled a large billboard on the side of the busiest highway in Alberta,

00:04:45.460 the main route between Calgary and Edmonton, pointing out a brutal fact that Jason Kenney has

00:04:51.280 used the pandemic as an excuse to lock down and lock up more Christian pastors than even communist China

00:04:58.820 did. Because I should tell you, Pastor Arthur Pawlowski is in prison even now as I say these words.

00:05:03.920 Why is Alberta, that claims to be the freest province in Canada, whose motto is strong and free,

00:05:13.000 that's led by a premier who, when he was a federal cabinet minister, actually claimed to speak for

00:05:18.700 religious freedoms, why is it literally the most anti-Christian government in the world in regards

00:05:24.920 to churches and lockdowns and still is today? Did China arrest and jail Christian pastors using the

00:05:32.680 lockdowns as a pretext? So our reporter Sidney Fazzard attended a press conference by Kenney the other

00:05:40.420 day and he put a question along those lines to Kenney. Here, watch the whole exchange.

00:05:47.740 Hey there, Sid Fazzard of Rebel News. I'm not sure if my question would be best directed towards you,

00:05:52.680 but right now, of course, you're investing in religious infrastructure, but I think many around

00:05:56.600 the province have the concern that you may not be best protecting their religious freedoms. As we've

00:06:01.700 seen with Pastor Arthur Pawlowski, he still remains behind bars. This is well over 30 days. If you could

00:06:06.740 just comment on that situation and maybe perhaps ease some concerns or just give some light to that

00:06:12.940 situation. So in Canada, we have something called the rule of law, where courts are responsible for

00:06:19.680 adjudicating criminal charges against individuals, not politicians. So we have an independent judiciary.

00:06:26.940 That individual, I understand, has been detained under, by the police because of multiple breaches of

00:06:34.660 terms of release, court orders, as well as an incitement to, an alleged incitement to violence

00:06:41.500 at the Coutts border crossing blockade. And so that individual has all of the rights of any individual

00:06:49.100 under the Canadian legal system. They are presumed guilty and, sorry, excuse me, presumed innocent

00:06:55.460 until proven guilty, of course, in our system of law. And they have a right to access to counsel.

00:07:01.360 They have all of the, that individual or any other individual has all of the same legal rights as

00:07:04.980 anybody. So this is a matter that is before the courts. And, you know, as a more general comment,

00:07:12.660 I would just suggest that going to a very tense combustible situation and inciting people to be

00:07:21.200 willing to die and commit acts of violence for their cause is very likely to have legal consequences.

00:07:32.260 And I would suggest that, you know, nobody is above the law. No politician, no person that calls

00:07:39.920 himself a pastor, is above the law. The rule of law applies equally to everybody in our system of

00:07:44.600 the rule of law. Got it. So we have an independent judiciary, independent courts. It's all just so

00:07:51.240 normal and so standard, you see. So this shocking takedown of Pastor Arthur on the highway, a dozen

00:07:59.800 police cars, heavily armed SWAT team, that's all just normal stuff, rule of law stuff, really just

00:08:07.380 nothing abnormal about it, nothing political about it. No, sir, just really, really normal things you

00:08:14.960 see every day. No vendetta at here. Why would you ask such a thing? And anyways, the courts say it's

00:08:21.600 fine. So it's fine. Like that one judge, Adam Germain, who literally ordered Pastor Arthur to stop

00:08:30.920 criticizing the lockdowns. And if he did criticize them, he was legally ordered to immediately denounce

00:08:37.320 himself and read out a little script that that same judge, Adam Germain himself, wrote. So Pastor

00:08:44.420 Arthur gives a sermon in his church. He would then have to read what Adam Germain, the judge, wrote

00:08:49.780 right afterwards to denounce himself. If he gave a media interview, he would have to self-denounce

00:08:54.880 right afterwards. Yeah, totally normal stuff. This is the rule of law, don't you know?

00:09:00.320 I mean, Arthur had a lawyer and everything, so it's okay. It's just fine. Here's how the whole

00:09:10.240 thing started, by the way, with Pastor Arthur nearly two years ago. As I told you before, he was

00:09:17.080 client number one in the Fight the Fines project. I saw this video of him being pushed around, physically

00:09:22.800 pushed by police, and given a huge ticket for having an illegal gathering. That's what they called him

00:09:30.780 feeding homeless people. Remember this?

00:09:32.780 This is not an event. This is not your picnic in the neighborhood for the fun of it. We are

00:09:40.620 providing necessities of life to those that you and your bosses refuse to provide. You've got all

00:09:48.580 kinds of events happening right now, and yet the Father's finest are not bothering them. This is the

00:09:58.240 hypocrisy of this city. This is the hypocrisy of our wonderful fearless leaders. Where is the head

00:10:05.480 named Xi? The mayor of this city.

00:10:08.160 They were ready to tackle me down. I was there with my wife. I really thought I'm going to be

00:10:14.200 arrested, and $1,200 ticket was given to me, and I was told, I was threatened, that if I ever show up

00:10:23.000 again, more is coming up to $1 million. Can you imagine?

00:10:28.400 Yeah. Rule of law. A Christian pastor gets a $1,000 fine and physically pushed around by some bully

00:10:35.520 cops for helping the poor. Rule of law. What are you complaining about? The premier and health minister

00:10:44.060 have a boozy party in a private restaurant that only they can go to on the top of their skyscrapers

00:10:50.760 called the Sky Palace, and nothing. No arrests, no tickets, no cops pushing anyone around, no SWAT

00:10:57.300 style takedown. No prison, that's for sure. But it's as Kenny said, you know, nobody is above the law.

00:11:06.880 No politician, no person that calls himself a pastor is above the law. The rule of law applies

00:11:13.220 equally to everybody in our system of the rule of law.

00:11:16.160 The rule of law sure applies, doesn't it? But that first part where Kenny accuses Pastor Arthur

00:11:22.860 of inciting violence, that's when Pastor Arthur Pawlowski went down to Kootz, Alberta, the border

00:11:30.300 cross between Alberta and Montana, where there was a blockade. And Pastor Arthur gave a bit of a sermon,

00:11:36.140 bit of a pep talk, bit of a political speech to the truckers. Now he himself did not blockade

00:11:42.020 anything. He didn't participate in the blockade. He came to preach really. But here's how Kenny

00:11:48.420 described it. Let's hear that part again. I would just suggest that going to a very tense

00:11:54.260 combustible situation and inciting people to be willing to die and commit acts of violence

00:12:01.960 for their cause is very likely to have legal consequences.

00:12:09.840 Does that sound like Pastor Arthur Pawlowski to you? You know, I probably listened cumulatively

00:12:18.840 to 25 hours of Arthur Pawlowski through the course of my life. That's a lot of Arthur.

00:12:27.240 And I have never once heard him counsel violence. Never once. I mean, he raises his voice. That's

00:12:35.380 for sure. He can marshal the language and direct words at someone harshly. That's for sure.

00:12:42.600 Words. But inciting violence? I've never heard of it. I mean, this is more his style.

00:12:48.620 Get out of this property. Immediately get out. Get out of this property. Immediately. Out. 0.95

00:12:56.440 I don't want to hear anything. Out of this property. Immediately. I don't want to hear a word.

00:13:01.120 Out. Out. Out of this property. Immediately until you come back with a warrant. Out. Out.

00:13:10.760 Out! Out! Out! Out of this property. Immediately out! Immediately go out and don't come back.

00:13:22.760 I don't want to talk to you. Not a word. Out of this property. Immediately out.

00:13:29.760 I don't care what you have to say. Out! Out! Out of this property, you Nazis. Out! Out!

00:13:39.760 Out! Gestapo is not allowed here. Immediately Gestapo is not allowed. Out!

00:13:50.760 Do you understand English? Get out of this property. Go. So go. Go. And then come back without a warrant. Out, Nazi. Out! 0.97

00:14:01.760 Now that's being angry, but that's not violence. That's just hollering with a bit of a righteousness.

00:14:08.760 You heard Kenny go into a very tense, combustible situation and inciting people to be willing to die and commit acts of violence for their cause.

00:14:21.760 Did he really do that? Well, I got to tell you, I hadn't actually watched Pastor Arthur's speech to the truckers before.

00:14:30.760 So yesterday, after I saw Kenny's comments, you know, his description of it sounded pretty shocking.

00:14:36.760 And, you know, I just didn't jive with what I know about Arthur. Seriously, going down there and telling people to die and be killed or get violent?

00:14:48.760 You sure? No. It's just another lie.

00:14:53.760 Here. Now, it was a 19-minute speech spoken in a restaurant, not even at the blockade itself.

00:14:59.760 If you followed our Coots coverage, you'll recognize this restaurant.

00:15:04.760 Arthur was basically giving a dinner talk, a pep talk.

00:15:08.760 You can find the whole 19-minute speech for yourself on Pastor Arthur Pavlovsky's Facebook page.

00:15:13.760 That's where I found it yesterday. But here's a sample of a few of his points.

00:15:18.760 Now, I promise I'm not taking anything out of context or leaving out any calls to violence.

00:15:23.760 I just want to give you a flavor for the speech.

00:15:26.760 In a shipyard in Kdajmsk. And there were groups of people and Lech Wałęsa got everything he wanted.

00:15:36.760 And he was ready with a piece of paper coming out saying, we've won, we got it.

00:15:41.760 And there were bus drivers outside and the train drivers outside.

00:15:47.760 And he said, so you've won your rights. What about our rights?

00:15:51.760 And he stopped. Will you? And this is why you have this famous solidarity movement.

00:15:58.760 Because when he was stopped, he looked at the people that were outside under the hammer of the boots of the Soviets.

00:16:07.760 And he said, yeah, you're right. We got what we wanted. But what about you?

00:16:14.760 And here is this lady. This is what she said.

00:16:17.760 Will you stand in solidarity with the rest of us?

00:16:22.760 Because you guys got what you wanted. But what about us?

00:16:27.760 So when I decided to come here, I'm risking to be arrested at every moment, everywhere I go.

00:16:32.760 The criminal charges on me, left and right. We lost count of the charges I have right now.

00:16:38.760 But I decided to come here because I believe that the eyes of the world are fixed on this place.

00:16:43.760 Right here. Just before we are going to get our freedom, I'm telling you, give up.

00:16:50.760 Right before thousands of people that are willing to come to support you.

00:16:58.760 Now you're going to abandon them? What are you going to say? Oh, we've changed our plans?

00:17:03.760 What are you going to say to those today and yesterday?

00:17:07.760 Every single minute, I got thousands of messages. Thousands. I mean, this thing never stops.

00:17:14.760 People saying we're coming to Kurds. We're coming to the Milk River. We're coming to support. We're bringing in.

00:17:20.760 What do you need? What do they need? We're coming. Thousands upon thousands of people are coming.

00:17:26.760 They don't have enough RCMP officers to deal with them. They don't have enough army to deal with them.

00:17:33.760 Remember, you have the power now. Do not give it away.

00:17:38.760 There was an order to shoot the protesters. To kill them.

00:17:42.760 But because of the American media, they backed away from doing this because they knew the whole world will see what is happening in the times in 1980.

00:17:54.760 Right now, the whole eyes of the entire world are fixed on this little place.

00:17:59.760 And you can do the right thing or you can pack and honk around Parliament's legislature fine.

00:18:07.760 But I'm telling you, they're honking around Parliament right now for a week.

00:18:12.760 How long are we going to be honking? For a month? For two?

00:18:17.760 They're not really afraid of our honks. What they're afraid of is this.

00:18:22.760 People coming together and paralyzing their system.

00:18:27.760 Polish people did it the right way. They said, we shall not cooperate with the villains. 0.89

00:18:33.760 We do not work for the KJB and Russians. 1.00

00:18:38.760 We will not work for you anymore.

00:18:42.760 In fact, you could see that Arthur Pawlowski took pains to repeat that if he used vigorous language, it was only metaphorical.

00:18:52.760 It was only figurative, not literal.

00:18:54.760 He used the words like fight.

00:18:57.760 But he immediately explained three times that he meant only a peaceful revolution, a peaceful fight.

00:19:05.760 Here's a few instances of that just to show you what I mean.

00:19:10.760 It's about time for Canadians to rise up and start roaring.

00:19:15.760 Let's go!

00:19:19.760 I'm talking about peaceful resolution. I'm not talking about guns and swords.

00:19:23.760 You see, this image, this image right here, it was the most powerful thing I could ever do.

00:19:31.760 And it went viral all over the world because it showed simply me on my knees in the middle of the highway being taken by SWAT team.

00:19:41.760 Why? For inciting people to come to church, participating in illegal church gathering and officiating a church service.

00:19:48.760 Who do those people think they are?

00:19:50.760 Who do they think they are?

00:19:53.760 Kenny, who do you think you are?

00:19:55.760 If you don't do that, if you don't do that, you be very careful because you have never seen an angry Albertan yet.

00:20:07.760 And I'm, again, not talking about violence. I'm not talking about swords and guns and all that stuff.

00:20:14.760 You've got the most powerful wings ever.

00:20:17.760 Who can move 1,000 trucks?

00:20:20.760 Who can move 10,000 truckers?

00:20:24.760 We can.

00:20:25.760 With 100,000 supporters.

00:20:27.760 I am calling right now every Albertan, not to go to, not to go to Edmonton, but to come here.

00:20:35.760 Thank you!

00:20:36.760 Come here!

00:20:37.760 Let's go!

00:20:39.760 I know what I'm talking about. I know, because I live through it.

00:20:44.760 And I'm telling you for the sake of your children, here is your opportunity to hold the fort.

00:20:51.760 Do not break the line. Don't do it.

00:20:57.760 And may God, may God help us all because we don't fight with guns and swords.

00:21:04.760 We don't fight with tasers and the police vehicles.

00:21:10.760 We don't.

00:21:11.760 We just want to go back and work hard and achieve something and provide for our families.

00:21:17.760 We just want to be left alone.

00:21:19.760 There is no way to watch that 19-minute sermon pep talk speech and possibly conclude that he was inciting violence.

00:21:31.760 No chance. I'm sorry.

00:21:33.760 That is a lie.

00:21:34.760 If I had 19 minutes, I would show you the whole thing for yourself right now.

00:21:37.760 Go find it.

00:21:39.760 That's just like when Jason Kenney said those same coots truckers rammed a vehicle into a cop. 1.00

00:21:46.760 Remember when he said that?

00:21:48.760 It was a lie.

00:21:50.760 I have also received reports in the last hour of people allied with the protestors, assaulting RCMP officers, including in one instance trying to ram members of the RCMP, later leading to a collision with a civilian vehicle in the area.

00:22:10.760 This kind of conduct is totally unacceptable.

00:22:13.760 It was such a lie that the RCMP themselves felt compelled to refute the lie.

00:22:20.760 No one rammed anyone.

00:22:21.760 No one rammed anyone.

00:22:23.760 Kenny was lying.

00:22:24.760 It was a regular fender bender.

00:22:26.760 There was no political motive behind it.

00:22:28.760 Here are the cops calling out Kenny's lie.

00:22:32.760 There was no physical altercation between RCMP officers and protestors.

00:22:39.760 Yesterday, when we had protestors go around and breach the roadblock set up on Highway 4 to the north, there was some public safety concerns there and officer safety concerns that took place.

00:22:54.760 There were vehicles traveled through ditches and through fields to get around the roadblock and then onto Highway 4.

00:23:01.760 They were traveling southbound on Highway 4 in the northbound lanes.

00:23:05.760 And that was happening at the same time.

00:23:07.760 We had a few vehicles leaving the protest and traveling northbound in the northbound lanes.

00:23:13.760 So we had a traffic meeting head-on on the double lane highway there.

00:23:18.760 We did have a collision take place.

00:23:21.760 A head-on collision occurred as a result of all this between a person trying to reach the blockade and a person who was just traveling north on the highway.

00:23:33.760 Unfortunately, it was a relatively minor collision, but a confrontation which led to an assault took place as a direct result of that collision.

00:23:45.760 And that was an assault on an RCMP officer?

00:23:47.760 No.

00:23:48.760 That was an assault between the two civilians, between a protester and a civilian.

00:23:52.760 So, Jason Kenney's statement was not true at the press release?

00:23:56.760 I can tell you what I just told you, sir.

00:24:01.760 Okay.

00:24:02.760 Alright.

00:24:03.760 And can I get your name and badge number, please?

00:24:04.760 You can have my name.

00:24:06.760 It's Gordon Curtis Peters.

00:24:07.760 I'm the spokesperson here.

00:24:10.760 My badge number is 52957.

00:24:13.760 I've never pronounced that before.

00:24:16.760 Standard procedure, Ross.

00:24:17.760 Thank you so much.

00:24:19.760 Yeah.

00:24:20.760 Things aren't back to normal in Alberta.

00:24:22.760 It is not normal to keep a Christian pastor in prison because of a health order.

00:24:28.760 And it is not just part of a normal rule of law system that keeps hounding Arthur again and again and following him with the SWAT team.

00:24:39.760 Sorry, that's not normal.

00:24:41.760 Those are political instructions issued by the premier to the health minister, which then instructs a special health prosecutor to go after Arthur.

00:24:50.760 There's nothing normal about him.

00:24:52.760 And they've been doing this for two years.

00:24:54.760 You saw that first instance.

00:24:56.760 They haven't stopped.

00:24:58.760 Jason Kenney jails Christian pastors.

00:25:03.760 Pass it on.

00:25:05.760 Well, I thought we would talk to Sid Fezard, our reporter who asked that question to Jason Kenney.

00:25:23.760 And you'll remember that Sid, along with Kian K2 Simone, was down there in Coots embedded with the truckers for almost the entire time. 0.68

00:25:32.760 In fact, I have to check, but it wouldn't surprise me if they were actually at Pastor Arthur's pep talk speech sermon when he was down there.

00:25:41.760 Joining us now via Skype from Calgary is Sidney.

00:25:46.760 Sid, great to see you again.

00:25:47.760 Thanks for your work on this.

00:25:48.760 By the way, where was your question to Jason Kenney?

00:25:51.760 Was it a press conference in Calgary?

00:25:53.760 Was it an online thing?

00:25:54.760 I'm glad you were there.

00:25:55.760 Just curious.

00:25:56.760 Where was it?

00:25:57.760 Absolutely.

00:25:58.760 I forget the exact name of the church, but it was one that we've covered before.

00:26:01.760 They had dealt with some arson incidents previously.

00:26:04.760 It was a small Filipino Vietnamese church here in Calgary.

00:26:07.760 Got it.

00:26:08.760 So you were there and you put the question to him.

00:26:10.760 I saw his answer.

00:26:11.760 I just played it for our viewers.

00:26:14.760 It sounds like he's saying, look, that's just normal.

00:26:17.760 This guy's a petty criminal or a repeat criminal who's incited violence.

00:26:21.760 He belongs in jail.

00:26:22.760 This is normal, normal, normal, normal rule of law.

00:26:25.760 Normal, normal.

00:26:26.760 I don't think there's a bloody thing that's normal about Pastor Arthur.

00:26:30.760 Yesterday, I rewatched his whole speech, Sid.

00:26:33.760 There wasn't a single call to violence at all.

00:26:35.760 In fact, there were three specific calls to be peaceful.

00:26:38.760 I think that Jason Kenney is lying about Arthur Pawlowski because otherwise it's irreconcilable.

00:26:47.760 Jason Kenney claims to love freedom of religion and free speech, but he's actually got a political

00:26:52.760 prisoner in his jails.

00:26:54.760 If he doesn't lie, something's going to break.

00:26:56.760 Like it's just, you can't, it's an irreconcilable fact.

00:26:59.760 What do you think?

00:27:00.760 Yeah, well, no, that's exactly it.

00:27:02.760 Unfortunately, I didn't get the chance to ask about Pastor Tim Stevens or Pastor James

00:27:07.760 Coates who have suffered similar faiths.

00:27:09.760 Although I guess conveniently with me just asking about Arthur, he was able to go down

00:27:13.760 that specific track.

00:27:15.760 But realistically, his investment in religious infrastructure comes at the cost of religious

00:27:21.760 liberties.

00:27:22.760 You know, that's a great point because although, I mean, they're lying about Arthur Pawlowski

00:27:27.760 when they say he incited violence.

00:27:29.760 I tell you, I watched that 19-minute speech yesterday, hunting.

00:27:33.760 Like I thought, uh-oh, what did he, I was like nervous and embarrassed assuming it might

00:27:38.760 be true.

00:27:39.760 No, I watched the whole 19, he never once called for violence.

00:27:42.760 He talked about violence being done to the truckers.

00:27:46.760 He talked about the history of Poland and their solidarity movement.

00:27:50.760 It's absurd to say it was incitement of violence.

00:27:52.760 But I'm glad you reminded me of those other pastors, two other Calgary pastors, as peaceful

00:27:58.760 as doves.

00:27:59.760 James Coates who turned himself in 35 days in prison.

00:28:04.760 Tim Stevens in Calgary.

00:28:05.760 No one would even for a second think that they, I mean, there's not a violent bone in

00:28:11.760 their body.

00:28:12.760 They're very mild-mannered compared to Arthur.

00:28:16.760 And they were thrown in prison too.

00:28:19.760 And he is trying to pretend that this is normal.

00:28:22.760 It is not normal, Sid.

00:28:24.760 No, that's exactly it.

00:28:26.760 It's not normal whatsoever.

00:28:28.760 And to your point about his speech down there in Coots, he uttered a parallel speech while

00:28:34.760 we were in Milk River and we interviewed him there where, again, he made a parallel speech

00:28:38.760 to the one he made down there in Coots.

00:28:39.760 And that's exactly what you were saying about he's calling for peaceful resolution.

00:28:43.760 He's calling for peaceful protest.

00:28:46.760 There's nothing that he sees as beneficial from a violent taking back of our freedoms.

00:28:51.760 And he's not advocating for that once that I've seen whatsoever.

00:28:54.760 Yeah.

00:28:55.760 You know, I knew Arthur Pawlowski before this whole thing started two years ago.

00:29:00.760 In fact, I did a story about him at the Sun News Network.

00:29:03.760 I'm talking 10 years ago now.

00:29:05.760 So he's like, I can't say I've known him well, but I had an eye on him.

00:29:10.760 I interviewed him before.

00:29:12.760 He was at a weekend event I was at once.

00:29:15.760 So when I say I've heard him talk for 25 hours, I think that's probably accurate.

00:29:20.760 And not just in a burst, like over 10 years.

00:29:23.760 The guy is vigorous in his views and he's noisy, let's say.

00:29:28.760 And he says, we're the lions and they're the hyenas and the jackals.

00:29:32.760 Like he uses colorful imagery.

00:29:34.760 He calls his opponents Gestapo.

00:29:36.760 And I'll give him a license for that.

00:29:38.760 I mean, the guy comes from Poland, which was under Nazi and then Soviet domination.

00:29:43.760 But I've never in my life heard him incite violence.

00:29:46.760 That's why I knew when Kenny said it, it was a lie that I had to go check.

00:29:50.760 He simply has never in his life said a word to violence.

00:29:56.760 And I think it's a terrible lie.

00:29:58.760 I think he's a political prisoner.

00:30:00.760 I'm really mad about it, Sid.

00:30:02.760 No, and I don't blame you.

00:30:04.760 I mean, just I believe the day before, actually, I was speaking with Nathaniel.

00:30:08.760 Who reminded me that, well, today now, I believe it's almost 35 days.

00:30:13.760 So moving forward, he will be the most persecuted of the three pastors when it comes to jail time.

00:30:19.760 And again, with that history, seeing what went down in Poland, I think it's fair to say why he's so vocal about what he believes in.

00:30:27.760 It's because he's seen this firsthand, and this isn't the first time.

00:30:31.760 So it is a shame.

00:30:33.760 And Jason Kenney even said that twice during that answer, that Arthur Palowski had incited violence or called for people to die on this hill, so to speak, but in a more detrimental way is how Jason Kenney put it.

00:30:45.760 Whereas Arthur Palowski, hold the line.

00:30:48.760 It's a very peaceful statement.

00:30:49.760 It's just do what you're doing.

00:30:50.760 You're doing it peacefully, and you should continue doing it peacefully.

00:30:53.760 You know, Sid, I've got to tell you, I'm thinking back 20 years or so, 25 years, to my first day in court as a baby lawyer.

00:31:01.760 I was in criminal docket court in Edmonton, and I was an articling student, as it was called.

00:31:07.760 So there's a pecking order.

00:31:08.760 The Queens Council go first, then the senior lawyers.

00:31:11.760 It's sort of—but that's good, because you go last, so you sit and you learn from everyone in front of you.

00:31:17.760 I mean, I didn't really like going last, Sid, but if you have to listen to 90 minutes of court before you get on your feet, that's part of your education as a young lawyer.

00:31:26.760 So I was there for some minor matter I don't even remember.

00:31:29.760 It was my first day in court.

00:31:30.760 But I saw a man get sentenced for sexually assaulting a child, and that sentence—I'm trying to remember the exactitudes of it.

00:31:42.760 After parole, I think that man would be out in like 10 days or something.

00:31:47.760 I think he got two months.

00:31:48.760 And the reason I tell you that is that Arthur Pawlowski and James Coates, these Christian pastors, none of whom are charged with a crime, the underlying offenses are not crimes.

00:32:00.760 These health orders are not criminal law.

00:32:03.760 And they have served more time and hard time.

00:32:08.760 These are maximum security facilities.

00:32:11.760 They're in—in Arthur's case, he's still in solitary confinement.

00:32:16.760 I want to tell you they have—and they haven't been convicted of anything yet.

00:32:20.760 They have already served more hard time than convicted sexual assaulters in this country.

00:32:29.760 Now, part of that goes to how lenient we are with sexual assault.

00:32:32.760 But it's shocking that these Christian pastors have spent more time in prison than convicted rapists.

00:32:38.760 That's a fact.

00:32:39.760 And it's especially unfortunate.

00:32:41.760 I mean, even—this reminds me of the—pardon me—the beginning of the so-called pandemic.

00:32:48.760 Wherein, especially in the States, we were seeing a lot of sex offenders were just being released for the sake of it, to alleviate the size of those being held in these facilities.

00:32:58.760 And now we're seeing Pastor Artur Poloski and other pastors being imprisoned for weeks on end for, as you say, these aren't really crimes that we would expect.

00:33:07.760 These are breaches of the public health and safety acts and orders that come into place.

00:33:11.760 So it's really unfortunate.

00:33:13.760 And it speaks to a sort of flipping of our judicial system.

00:33:16.760 Yeah.

00:33:17.760 You know, it's crazy.

00:33:18.760 I mean, I remember that Edmonton Remand Center where Pastor Coates was put.

00:33:22.760 But if I recall, they released 400 violent criminals because of COVID, but they put Pastor Coates in. 0.94

00:33:29.760 I want to shift gears.

00:33:31.760 I'm mad about that.

00:33:32.760 And Kenny's lying about it.

00:33:33.760 And I think he should pay a political price for it, not just for the lie, but for the underlying political imprisonment.

00:33:39.760 But I saw something on Twitter by the new mayor of Calgary who's just as bad as the old mayor of Calgary.

00:33:46.760 The new mayor's name is Jody Gondek.

00:33:48.760 And every week, as you know, because I think you've covered a lot of them, there's a freedom protest in Calgary, which you would hope for in Canada's most conservative city.

00:33:59.760 And they're peaceful.

00:34:01.760 But Jody Gondek in this Twitter rant as mayor.

00:34:05.760 Now, she could say I disagree with them or I agree with them or I for them or against them.

00:34:09.760 That's all right.

00:34:10.760 But she talked about policing. 0.53

00:34:12.760 And when the mayor says and it will put on the screen the series of tweets when the mayor says I'm sick of these people and this isn't a real protest and they don't have a permit.

00:34:23.760 I'm sick of this.

00:34:24.760 If she was saying I disagree or agree, that's one thing.

00:34:27.760 And that's her right as a mayor. 1.00

00:34:29.760 But when she is the mayor basically says police, I'm furious with you for not smacking some heads like they did in Ottawa.

00:34:39.760 I think she's dangerous. 1.00

00:34:41.760 I think she wants to get a bit abusive like the Ottawa police. 0.94

00:34:45.760 And that was her signal to one of the worst police forces in Canada, the Calgary police.

00:34:51.760 I'm worried there's going to be violence at the next freedom protest, Sid.

00:34:55.760 And it's not going to be from the protesters.

00:34:57.760 It's going to be from corrupt cops doing what their political masters say.

00:35:01.760 Well, and that may even be the case of what we've seen this past weekend where it was really weird how Calgary police handled the situation.

00:35:09.760 At first there was a few individuals counter protesting closer to the freedom rally gathering point.

00:35:15.760 And they got pushed out of the way with bicycles.

00:35:17.760 And then as they slowly approached the counter protest group, the bulk of them that were blocking the street, the Calgary police basically allowed the freedom rally to be on both sides of the police line.

00:35:29.760 Basically, it was the freedom rally, it was the police line, it was another police line, it was counter protest, and then it was the freedom rally again.

00:35:38.760 So they really didn't do a good job at handling the situation.

00:35:42.760 And I don't know if, like usually the police try and take a tactical style of enforcement where they're trying to do things in a way that is logistically tenable to amending the situation.

00:35:53.760 But in this case, they seem to have been doing the opposite.

00:35:56.760 So, and it's interesting, though, that Jota, I'm going to mispronounce her name, but the Calgary mayor, it's interesting that she wants more police enforcement. 0.86

00:36:04.760 I think what happened is she saw that Calgary police were using bicycles against the counter protesters.

00:36:08.760 And she thought, hold on, they should be using these bicycles against the freedom rally protesters, which I think is a bit perverted in its own regard.

00:36:15.760 But that seems to be the stand she's taking.

00:36:17.760 Yeah, it's a lot of bad things are about to happen.

00:36:20.760 I tell you, we've had some atrocious policing for two years as police have allowed themselves to run political errands and been turned into mask scolds.

00:36:29.760 Maybe they've forgotten how to do regular police work.

00:36:31.760 I don't know, Sid.

00:36:32.760 I guess my point of my whole show today is that we're not quite out of these lockdowns yet.

00:36:37.760 We're certainly not out of the lockdown mentality.

00:36:39.760 Thanks for going there.

00:36:40.760 And stay safe and keep your eyes peeled this weekend, because I'm worried bad things are going to happen.

00:36:45.760 The mayor basically called for it.

00:36:47.760 And if there is blood, God forbid, it's on her hands.

00:36:51.760 Keep at it, Sid.

00:36:52.760 Absolutely.

00:36:53.760 Thank you.

00:36:54.760 It's a pleasure.

00:36:55.760 And it's a pleasure to be speaking with all of you guys.

00:36:56.760 Right on.

00:36:57.760 Thanks very much.

00:36:58.760 There you have it.

00:36:59.760 Sid Fazard, our reporter in Calgary.

00:37:00.760 Stay with us.

00:37:01.760 More ahead.

00:37:14.760 Welcome back.

00:37:15.760 Your viewer feedback.

00:37:16.760 W.T.

00:37:17.760 Keaton says the biolabs are probably the biggest issue in Ukraine now.

00:37:22.760 The countries with over half the world population are demanding answers.

00:37:27.760 There will be a ceasefire in a week or two.

00:37:29.760 But the lab issue and the investigation will be with us for years.

00:37:34.760 It was very strange.

00:37:36.760 I first heard about the biolabs, not from Russia, but from the undersecretary of state in America testifying in the U.S. Congress.

00:37:48.760 And it was Marco Rubio that was asking the question.

00:37:50.760 I just want to show that to you for a second.

00:37:52.760 Take a look.

00:37:53.760 I only have a minute left.

00:37:54.760 Let me ask you.

00:37:55.760 Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?

00:38:00.760 Ukraine has biological research facilities which, in fact, we are now quite concerned Russian troops, Russian forces may be seeking to gain control of.

00:38:19.760 So we are working with the Ukrainians on how they can prevent any of those research materials from falling into the hands of Russian forces should they approach.

00:38:32.760 I'm sure you're aware that the Russian propaganda groups are already putting out there all kinds of information about how they've uncovered a plot by the Ukrainians to release biological weapons in the country and with NATO's coordination.

00:38:44.760 If there's a biological or chemical weapon incident or or attack inside of Ukraine, is there any doubt in your mind that 100 percent it would be the Russians that would be behind it? 0.97

00:38:53.760 There is no doubt in my mind, Senator.

00:38:55.760 And it is classic Russian technique to blame on the other guy what they're planning to do themselves. 0.94

00:39:03.760 That was very weird.

00:39:05.760 And what's come out since I have no idea what is in those biolabs.

00:39:08.760 I have no idea if we were outsourcing we if the United States was outsourcing some sort of chemical weapon or bioweapons program to Ukraine.

00:39:18.760 I know we've learned from Anthony Fauci's ties to the Wuhan lab that we should be extremely skeptical about these things.

00:39:24.760 I don't know what the truth is, but the fact that I heard it confessed to by an undersecretary of state in America tells me there is a lot more looking into we have to do there.

00:39:33.760 Wolfgang von Zubez says no violence against civilians.

00:39:39.760 However, the Montreal Symphony dropped a Russian pianist, Alexander Maloliev, for just being Russian.

00:39:48.760 He denounced the Russian invasion, even though it shouldn't matter if he did.

00:39:52.760 But even denouncing the invasion didn't matter.

00:39:55.760 So it's okay in Canada to discriminate based on ethnicity.

00:39:59.760 Now, it would seem when you say there's no violence you're referring to here in Canada.

00:40:03.760 And I hope that remains the case.

00:40:05.760 It's really insane.

00:40:06.760 Like, I mean, Russia means a lot of things.

00:40:09.760 It's an ethnicity.

00:40:10.760 It's a language.

00:40:11.760 It's a country.

00:40:12.760 Yes, it is a political system that today is invading Ukraine.

00:40:17.760 Of course it is.

00:40:18.760 But to denounce anyone just with a Russian name or a Russian pastor, even they're renaming Russian dressing.

00:40:24.760 Or, you know, I mean, seriously, it's just absurd.

00:40:27.760 The Russophobia, it really is crazy, the mania out there.

00:40:33.760 So much of it is virtue signaling.

00:40:36.760 Almost none of it will have any effect on the war itself.

00:40:38.760 How does, you know, I saw a college drop a course on a Russian writer named Dostoevsky, who was born and died before the Soviet Union was even a thing.

00:40:49.760 You're just not going to learn Russian literature now in the Russian literature department because Putin's invading Ukraine.

00:40:56.760 All right, got it.

00:40:58.760 At 62 says, what about the UK and Germany not letting Russians get medical treatment?

00:41:05.760 Seems like a bigger deal to me.

00:41:07.760 Yes, I've been looking into this.

00:41:08.760 It's insane.

00:41:09.760 That violates the Hippocratic Oath.

00:41:11.760 I would say it violates the Geneva Conventions.

00:41:14.760 As you may know, there's several Geneva Conventions.

00:41:16.760 A lot of them touch on how to treat the other side in a wartime.

00:41:19.760 Now, obviously, these are not wounded soldiers in Germany, but you're seriously not giving any medical service to Russians.

00:41:25.760 And by the way, who are the Russians in Berlin?

00:41:28.760 I got to tell you, a lot of them happen to be Jews.

00:41:31.760 You know, I mean, Germany, of course, got rid of most of its Jews in the Holocaust.

00:41:36.760 But last I looked it up, there were 100,000 Jews in Berlin, most of them from the former Soviet Union.

00:41:42.760 And Germany was sort of pleased to have Jews back in Germany. 1.00

00:41:46.760 They were sort of proud and it was a way of healing, I suppose.

00:41:52.760 Well, who do you think is the bulk of the people that the hospital was refusing?

00:41:56.760 Just super, super gross.

00:41:58.760 You can be against anti-Russian discrimination without being pro-Putin or for this invasion. 0.86

00:42:03.760 I think there's a madness out there.

00:42:05.760 That's our show for today.

00:42:07.760 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:42:12.760 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:42:14.760 And let me leave you with this video of the day from Jeremy Lafredo, who is with the U.S. truckers on their convoy.

00:42:22.760 Interesting story.

00:42:24.760 The truckers are not having their demands met.

00:42:27.760 And there's a bit of rebellion within the truckers.

00:42:30.760 Some of the leadership wants to stay calm.

00:42:32.760 Others want to ratchet up their protests.

00:42:34.760 Here's Jeremy.

00:42:35.760 All right, we'll see you tomorrow.

00:42:39.760 I'm Jeremy Lafredo on assignment for Rebel News in Hagerstown, Maryland.

00:42:42.760 Behind me is U.S. Trucker Convoy.

00:42:44.760 They're scheduled to leave tomorrow morning for Washington, D.C. and protest an end to vaccine mandates.

00:42:49.760 Only 70 miles from D.C., the U.S. Trucker Convoy, or the People's Convoy, is setting up camp in Hagerstown, Maryland tonight,

00:42:55.760 as they allow smaller convoys to join and as the truckers plan the strategy and logistics of bringing hundreds of giant vehicles to the capital area.

00:43:04.760 As the convoy's final trek approaches, I ask truckers and convoy organizers how far they're willing to go to achieve their goals,

00:43:09.760 namely the ending of trucker vaccine mandates and the repealing of the Federal Emergency Act,

00:43:13.760 which allows the federal government to impose such mandates and dictates without democratic oversight.

00:43:18.760 There's a noticeably different tone and philosophy espoused by the truckers compared to that of the organizers.

00:43:23.760 While both parties aim for the protest to be peaceful, the organizers' plan is to take a more civil and leveled approach

00:43:28.760 involving daily slow rolls around Washington, D.C.'s largest highway, regrouping every night 60 miles west of the city.

00:43:34.760 While the truckers that have joined the convoy see themselves engaging in a more civil disobedience-style protest in Washington, D.C.,

00:43:40.760 similar to that of the Canadian convoy.

00:43:42.760 Co-organizer Brian Brasi explained his plan to me.

00:43:45.760 So in the morning we're going to be meeting with all the convoy drivers, the actual people driving in the convoy.

00:43:51.760 We're going to be meeting with them and tomorrow the plan is to kind of flex our muscle a little bit,

00:43:55.760 let them know that we're here and that we're not going to just sit still in one location.

00:43:59.760 So tomorrow we plan on doing two loops around the capitol beltway just to let them know just so they can see how big we are and that we're serious.

00:44:08.760 It's time to listen to the people and so we're going to parade around the beltway so they can see just exactly how big and how many vehicles we got.

00:44:16.760 Truckers shared how far they believed they'd go to accomplish their aims.

00:44:19.760 I'm going to stay until I go to jail or die probably.

00:44:23.760 It might end up differently halfway through, something might change, but as far as I'm concerned I'm there for the long haul.

00:44:29.760 We have to go there and have some kind of effect.

00:44:32.760 This isn't just a road trip.

00:44:34.760 This is to really have an effect to make changes in this government and get us back to our founding principles.

00:44:41.760 And I think you could ask anyone here and they'd tell you that same thing.

00:44:45.760 There is no reverse.

00:44:47.760 There is no backing down.

00:44:49.760 We're going forward and forward.

00:44:52.760 Backing down is just not in the vocabulary.

00:44:55.760 It's not an option.

00:44:56.760 If we don't move, the world stops.

00:45:00.760 Until we get what we want, we shouldn't move at all.

00:45:04.760 I'm doing nothing illegal.

00:45:06.760 I don't plan on doing anything illegal.

00:45:08.760 But I'm going to be heard.

00:45:11.760 And there's a pretty good group of us here as you can see.

00:45:14.760 You know, similar to what happened in Canada.

00:45:16.760 And yeah, I'm with them.

00:45:18.760 I'm here for the duration.

00:45:20.760 We actually have to raise up against the government and let them know peacefully.

00:45:24.760 Let them know that we're not going to take it anymore.

00:45:28.760 If our actions are not hurting nobody, I don't see where they can have a leg to stand on.

00:45:33.760 And we're not going to hurt anybody doing this.

00:45:36.760 If we park these things and turn the keys off, pull our knives out and cut the damn tires off of them, good luck on towing them.

00:45:44.760 Our government has gotten out of control.

00:45:46.760 They forgot that we work for the people.

00:45:49.760 They're supposed to represent us, not rule over us.

00:45:52.760 And until they are reminded in whatever fashion is necessary that they work for us, it will never change.

00:46:02.760 Someone's got to stand up for our kids and our grandkids because it's got to stop.

00:46:07.760 This Emergency Powers Act, why is that in place?

00:46:10.760 Where's the emergency?

00:46:12.760 So yeah, it's all the way.

00:46:16.760 If I had to, I'd stick with these men and all Americans to the death because liberty is worth that.

00:46:22.760 I'm willing to do whatever it takes.

00:46:24.760 And God bless you all for what you did on coverage for what happened in Canada.

00:46:29.760 You guys were the only ones that I've seen actually covering the real truth.

00:46:33.760 So bless you all for that.

00:46:35.760 I'm afraid of this government, but I would be arrested.

00:46:38.760 I mean, I'm not going to do anything to cause myself to be arrested.

00:46:41.760 But if they go like nuclear like they did up in Canada, we can't stand for that. 0.78

00:46:46.760 The government works for us and we're not afraid.

00:46:51.760 I'm not scared.

00:46:52.760 I don't care what they try.

00:46:54.760 You know, we're in here for the long haul.

00:46:57.760 Every time I have doubts, we go under another overpatch.

00:47:03.760 Or we go by another field where the farmer is standing out there watching us go by.

00:47:10.760 Or we pull into a stop like tonight.

00:47:15.760 And all of these people, you know as well as they do, it's a little chilly outside right now.

00:47:23.760 But they're standing out there waiting for us.

00:47:27.760 And the doubt goes away.

00:47:29.760 I asked Brazi if he believed the rest of the convoy would be content doing loops on the highway and returning to their parking lot.

00:47:35.760 No.

00:47:36.760 And they shouldn't be content with that.

00:47:39.760 They should want more.

00:47:40.760 They should demand more.

00:47:42.760 They should strive for more.

00:47:45.760 What I would say to those drivers is that we have a process that we're working through diplomatically.

00:47:52.760 We're not going to ever bend the knee to them. 0.67

00:47:55.760 Ever.

00:47:56.760 We have our demands.

00:47:58.760 You know what we want.

00:48:00.760 And that's what we're here to achieve.

00:48:02.760 Doing one or two loops around the beltway is not enough.

00:48:07.760 It'll never be enough.

00:48:10.760 But we're trying to show restraint.

00:48:14.760 Trying to show compromise.

00:48:17.760 Trying to make our legislators understand that we are flexible.

00:48:22.760 And that we're willing to come to the table to negotiate these things.

00:48:26.760 To go out there and just shut everything down like that gets us nowhere except for dragged out of our trucks and beat on the street.

00:48:35.760 And we want to avoid that at all possible.

00:48:38.760 If at all possible.

00:48:39.760 But Brazzi's plan is original.

00:48:41.760 He explained that DC can expect the convoy to slow roll the DC beltway on a daily basis.

00:48:45.760 I think you could expect us to arrive daily from this from tomorrow on.

00:48:52.760 And we don't care how long it'll take.

00:48:55.760 And if you still don't hear us, then we'll come a little closer.

00:48:59.760 Take care.

00:49:01.760 Take care.

00:49:03.760 Take care.

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Rebel News Podcast - March 15, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ If the lockdowns are over, why is Pastor Artur Pawlowski still in jail？

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