Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Independent journalists lead the way on Chinese interference reporting

00:00:00.200 You know, I've admired Sam Cooper, the independent journalist from afar.

00:00:05.060 What a treat to spend half an hour with him today talking about Chinese Communist Party influence in Canada.

00:00:11.400 We're going to go through a lot of different issues, but I think the scariest is how the liberal leadership contest

00:00:17.000 has basically opened itself up to be hacked, both electronically and in person.

00:00:22.800 We'll go through that today.

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00:01:19.980 All right, here's today's podcast.

00:01:21.500 Tonight is the Liberal Leadership Contest being hacked by the Chinese government. 0.78

00:01:43.340 We'll talk to Sam Cooper, an investigative journalist, on the subject.

00:01:47.640 It's February 12th, and this is the Ezra LeVance Show.

00:01:50.320 We're fighting for freedom! 0.53

00:01:53.520 Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:02:05.200 I remember when we started Rebel News, the word rebel meant a few things.

00:02:09.140 We were rebelling against the technology of the old systems.

00:02:12.680 I used to work at the Sun News Network in a million-dollar studio.

00:02:16.200 We had five people in the control room.

00:02:18.840 It was luxurious, but it was just unaffordable.

00:02:21.800 That business model was broken.

00:02:23.420 Now, we do things on the cheap, and I think everybody does, too.

00:02:27.320 Back then, you did an interview with someone.

00:02:29.460 You had to pay $500, $600 to CNN to borrow their satellite studio.

00:02:33.840 Now, everyone uses Skype or Zoom.

00:02:36.900 Even the big guys do.

00:02:38.100 They just are rebelling against the old ways as well.

00:02:41.040 Now, we also rebelled against the regulator.

00:02:43.860 That's one of the things that euthanized Sun News Network, and so we vowed we would never be under the thumb of bureaucrats again.

00:02:49.940 And that lasted for about nine years until the bureaucrats passed a law giving them domain. 0.94

00:02:55.280 The parliament passed a law giving them domain over the Internet as well.

00:02:58.620 So stay tuned on that.

00:03:00.280 And finally, we rebelled against the media narrative, and not that there aren't excellent reporters in the mainstream media, but by nature, if you work for a news agency that is a mass-market news agency, either funded by the government, as the CBC is, or funded by a larger corporate conglomerate like CTV is, for example.

00:03:20.700 It's owned by Bell Canada, or the Globe and Mail, which is part of the Thompson Empire.

00:03:25.540 By definition, you will not be allowed to color outside the lines too much.

00:03:30.920 Yeah, you can show a flash of independence here and there, but if you actually take a run at the establishment, there's just simply no way that a TV station owned by a massive company with a lot of pressure points could defend you.

00:03:45.240 That's what being a citizen journalist provides.

00:03:48.020 On the other hand, a lot of quality journalism, as is said, is done by the mainstream media.

00:03:54.500 Those people simply have not gravitated to citizen journalism.

00:03:58.420 We'd have to make our name ourselves.

00:04:00.620 Well, one guy who is bringing deep, quality, investigative journalism to the world of citizen journalism, who's making it on his own, is our guest today.

00:04:11.540 His name is Sam Cooper, and he is doing world-class investigative journalism, the type that you used to expect from a CBC or CTV, but now you can find increasingly through citizen journalists on the internet.

00:04:25.520 His website is thebureau.news, and Sam Cooper joins us now from Ottawa.

00:04:30.700 Sam, great to meet you.

00:04:31.640 It's nice to see you.

00:04:33.600 Good to be here, Ezra.

00:04:34.580 I mean, I know I may have sounded like flattery, but I mean it in the past, you know, citizen journalism was a lot of YouTube pundits or even some on-the-street journalism like we do.

00:04:47.180 But to have a subject matter expert going really deep, investigating Chinese interference in our democracy, investigating Iran's long hand in democracy, that really wasn't the domain of citizen journalism.

00:05:03.180 But in the last couple of years, you start to see real experts.

00:05:06.620 I think of Barry Weiss and the Free Press, and I think of what you're doing.

00:05:10.340 So congratulations.

00:05:10.980 Why don't you tell us a little bit about your beat and how you came to it?

00:05:17.180 Thanks.

00:05:18.100 Well, Ezra, I agree with pretty much everything you said.

00:05:21.200 It's an exciting time where people that have been trained, like myself, for about 20 years now as an investigative journalist in corporate media that works with lawyers on all the big stories, works with the top editors in Canada, people with capacity learn from those skills and now are able to use those tools of citizen journalists.

00:05:44.100 So as soon as I started the Bureau.news, I bought the highest-end MacBook I could get.

00:05:50.300 I have now streaming capacity to compete with my former employers.

00:05:56.060 So where do I come from?

00:05:57.160 I grew up as a cub reporter in Vancouver, and my story, I've told it a lot.

00:06:02.860 Look, I had wanted to be a lawyer.

00:06:05.760 I went to the University of Toronto.

00:06:07.920 I then decided journalism would have some of those same qualities and would also fit my sort of character, intellect, and what I wanted to discover.

00:06:18.120 And as a young reporter, I really got my teeth into the Vancouver real estate story.

00:06:23.780 This was just after the U.S. subprime crisis.

00:06:26.800 I love following finance and economies.

00:06:29.040 I knew from learning, the great U.S. investigative reporters, that there was something deeply wrong with the U.S. economy where fraud had taken over their real estate markets.

00:06:40.360 It had wrecked the American dream for a few years at least because homes were out of reach of good, hardworking people from everywhere.

00:06:48.380 And I found in Vancouver, for a young reporter like myself, a whole generation was being priced out.

00:06:55.060 And to jump to the chase, I discovered what is known as the Vancouver model of international money laundering.

00:07:01.300 That's how money, mostly from China and Hong Kong, massive amounts, was coming in underground and having incredible influence on the real estate market.

00:07:11.880 Prices, and as I found over the years, organized crime, political corruption.

00:07:17.620 So those are my chops.

00:07:19.840 And to your point about reporters that have those chops getting into citizen journalist avenues, a great reporter named David Baines at the Vancouver Sun was legendary.

00:07:32.500 A lot of us young reporters looked up to him.

00:07:34.620 He's the one that discovered that the Vancouver stock market essentially was very intertwined with organized crime,

00:07:43.040 what can only be called organized crime corporate networks on the West Coast.

00:07:47.720 I learned that, you know, his stories were unimpeachable, yet he was sued 20 times.

00:07:54.100 And eventually, I think the news media industry on the West Coast, they loved his work.

00:08:00.880 It was top notch, but they couldn't support it anymore.

00:08:03.120 So that brings me to where, you know, my career has taken me down that path that you speak of, of a reporter that, you know, has those, I call myself sometimes a wannabe lawyer.

00:08:14.300 I could have gone down that path, I believe.

00:08:16.340 I believe you're a lawyer as well.

00:08:18.340 I also was, you know, just a lifelong reader and writer.

00:08:23.900 So I found putting those worlds together, sometimes I think I use the skills of a hedge fund analyst connecting the dots, and I can do that in my reporting.

00:08:33.560 And I'll end my answer here.

00:08:35.100 You know, one of my frustrations, a lot of great editors I've worked with, but I was just hearing over the past few years that, you know, readers don't like to read lawn form, you know, keep it short.

00:08:46.160 They're only reading, you know, two sentences on their iPhone now.

00:08:49.640 I said, hold on, that's not true.

00:08:51.740 I wrote a book called Willful Blindness of about 400 pages that launched at number one on Amazon in Canada, and by now is read in capitals around the world.

00:09:02.400 So I've got a model, and I'm going to do it, and that's what I'm doing.

00:09:05.540 Well, congratulations.

00:09:06.900 And you said a lot of things there.

00:09:08.220 One that stuck in my mind is talking about sort of Vancouver real estate being a kind of money laundering, especially for money that's trying to get out of China.

00:09:17.160 And there's other parts of the world, like Cyprus.

00:09:19.880 Money's trying to get out of Russia, and the oligarchs want to, like, it's one thing to earn your money in Russia or China, but where do you keep it?

00:09:27.500 You want to get it out of the hands of the police in the states.

00:09:31.540 So where do you put it?

00:09:32.540 Well, real estate in Vancouver is an obvious one.

00:09:35.780 Talking about that story, though, I mean, think about the connections between real estate and the stock market you mentioned with the media.

00:09:43.260 Who are the big advertisers, real estate, who are, you know, or even personal connections at the Rotary Club or whatever.

00:09:51.680 To take on a major target like real estate, you're going to be goring a lot of people's oxes.

00:09:58.940 And that's what I mean about it's tough for a mainstream media outlet to challenge sacred cows like that.

00:10:06.780 And you mentioned David Baines sued 20 times, you know, that's a risk, too.

00:10:13.860 I mean, you want to get your facts straight, but someone can sue you in a slap suit, strategic litigation against public participation, just to silence you.

00:10:23.500 And a lot of bad guys, they would throw money at a lawsuit, even knowing that they're going to lose, just to silence you.

00:10:29.660 How do you balance that?

00:10:31.540 I mean, obviously, you know, getting your facts straight is the number one way to avoid pain.

00:10:38.740 But even then, you can be harassed by someone with deep pockets who doesn't want a story to get out.

00:10:44.360 You're so correct there.

00:10:45.820 And I should add that David Baines was sued 20 times.

00:10:49.300 I believe he never lost.

00:10:50.960 So he always had it right.

00:10:52.460 That doesn't mean that people with really endless pools of illicit wealth could use Canadian courts and speech laws, essentially, unfortunately, in ways that can't really be done in the United States to silence a powerful journalist.

00:11:11.020 And you mentioned, you know, work on the Vancouver real estate market.

00:11:15.340 I'll tell you this story, Ezra, I was told directly multiple times that the so-called condo kings of Vancouver called up top editors at multiple papers and complained about myself, tried to get me fired.

00:11:29.940 Look, I'll leave it pretty much at that, just to say that you're right.

00:11:34.300 But if you're reporting on something that has become deeply important to an economy, and as I'm saying, I wasn't even reporting that it was all organized crime back then.

00:11:45.900 I was just reporting that it was too influenced by foreign countries.

00:11:49.780 That caused the most powerful people, who, by the way, also, you know, are supporters of Justin Trudeau, as we've read about in, I believe, Jody Wilson-Raybould, not to get off topic, talks about a meeting in the penthouse of a Vancouver hotel with Justin Trudeau and a bad conversation that happened.

00:12:09.260 Look, that's the very same person that tried to get me fired, the owner of that hotel.

00:12:13.440 So, yeah, you have to get your facts right.

00:12:15.300 I've been through the fire so many times by now, Ezra, that I won't report anything that's wrong.

00:12:21.380 I'll only report something of significant public interest.

00:12:25.440 And, you know, if I do make a mistake, it has to be corrected.

00:12:30.040 And I have good lawyers behind me that are ready to stand up if that happens.

00:12:34.940 Well, I'm glad to hear it.

00:12:35.740 And we're in the same pickle, too, sometimes.

00:12:38.500 And British Columbia, as one jurisdiction, has an anti-slap provision.

00:12:43.840 And Ontario does, too.

00:12:45.140 Hopefully, those will help defend you against the bad guys.

00:12:47.580 Let's talk about the bad guys, because for the longest time, you weren't allowed to question the influence that the People's Republic of China has in Canada.

00:12:57.940 I mean, you were called racist if you did.

00:13:00.240 You were said to be challenging the loyalty of Chinese Canadians.

00:13:04.120 Ironically, a lot of the victims of the People's Republic of China, or the Chinese Communist Party, are Chinese Canadians as well.

00:13:12.440 Those who are maybe more freedom-oriented, more democracy-oriented, or simply don't want to be under control of the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party.

00:13:22.840 Tell me a little bit about your work on Chinese government shenanigans.

00:13:29.300 And that's a very lighthearted word, because it's actually deadly serious.

00:13:32.540 Tell us a little bit of the state of the art of Chinese interference in Canadian democracy. 0.94

00:13:36.260 Well, really, if you talk to people on the inside that know, so that would be some people well-placed in police, some people well-placed in intelligence, both in Canada and the United States.

00:13:49.900 The influence of China in Canada, really, it knows no bounds. 0.96

00:13:54.140 The image in my mind is, if we're looking at Canada as a jungle, the jungle grass covers the whole nation, and China sort of has these influence networks.

00:14:06.540 Speaking to your point, very unfortunately, they have the capacity to control whole communities, and they do it by essentially gaining influence with the wealthier members of the communities,

00:14:19.360 many of them that unfortunately have gotten wealthy in illicit means.

00:14:24.920 And that leaves the vast majority of the community, the great, honest, amazing people that have fled a thuggish regime,

00:14:34.740 fearing that they're under attack, essentially, from very wealthy and dangerous people with very, really pretty much overt connections to China,

00:14:46.600 what it calls its United Front Work Department.

00:14:49.900 And that brings me to the nub here.

00:14:51.680 That's the story of the whole election interference scandal that I broke.

00:14:55.980 It's the story of the Chinese Communist Party police station investigations that supposedly the RCMP continues.

00:15:04.240 We don't have any results in court.

00:15:06.480 It's the story of underground casino networks, which I've reported on at the Bureau.News,

00:15:12.940 and how these connect to the very same people that allegedly fund election interference for China,

00:15:18.980 the same people that are tasked to corrupt Canadian political candidates,

00:15:23.020 the same people that are used as what's called in China white gloves or insulation to be stood up in the community

00:15:32.240 and run these Chinese police stations where they're taking directions from essentially a high-level Chinese police officer in their home province in China.

00:15:42.920 And they, on the ground in Canada, are tasked, whether they be a business person that owns grocery stores across Canada

00:15:51.320 and launders money under the table, they're being tasked to monitor the community.

00:15:55.680 Make no mistake, that is the story of China's interference in Canada.

00:16:00.100 That's incredible.

00:16:01.560 I understand that in the United States, there were a handful of these Chinese police stations,

00:16:07.300 and police have taken action.

00:16:09.480 I understand there's been some prosecutions, but you're saying nothing has formally happened in Canada?

00:16:17.120 Is that what you're saying?

00:16:19.320 Nothing has formally happened.

00:16:21.480 I'll break down the answer into two parts.

00:16:23.660 We heard in the Hogue Commission that one of these, you know, purportedly diaspora community service stations in the Montreal area

00:16:33.840 was really being used as one of these surveillance posts by the Chinese state,

00:16:39.940 which uses proxies in the community to, you know, they were even getting funding from Canada to offer supposed...

00:16:47.940 Oh, come on! Come on! 0.82

00:16:48.780 They were getting, Ezra, it's on the record, they're getting funding from Canada to offer services to immigrants,

00:16:56.260 purportedly to help them integrate into Canada, where the RCMP, the Mounties even in evidence said,

00:17:02.460 what's really happening is by giving those services, that's an operation.

00:17:07.180 They're using that to monitor the community, and much of the community knows it.

00:17:12.740 So what happened here is that, you know, it came out in the Hogue Commission, a diaspora group said,

00:17:18.620 hey, look, Mounties, why are you not treating this like the organized crime that it is?

00:17:23.360 If this was the Hells Angels running a station for some corrupt politician, you'd charge them.

00:17:30.140 It's the same thing, but in the Chinese community.

00:17:32.600 And all the RCMP is doing was sort of publicly disrupting.

00:17:37.920 And at that, they get criticized by people like Trudeau-appointed Senator Yuen Pau Wu

00:17:43.520 for supposedly intervening in, you know, legit community services.

00:17:49.440 It's just a... It's absurd what is happening in Canada.

00:17:54.000 But to your point, yes, in the United States, where they have real functioning law,

00:17:59.160 where they have real motivated counterintelligence that's there to protect diaspora citizens,

00:18:05.620 wherever they're from, because they're more exposed to these networks you speak of,

00:18:10.440 whether they're from Russia, Iran, China.

00:18:13.000 In the U.S., they have a number of prosecutions.

00:18:16.120 People have been convicted.

00:18:18.060 And look, these... China is so brazen. 0.94

00:18:21.940 And as I say, what they do is try to flood the zone of the country that they're trying to influence. 0.62

00:18:26.100 So even with those prosecutions in the United States,

00:18:29.900 they now have none other than the New York Times reported on a pop-up service station

00:18:35.100 in New York City run by a local gangster.

00:18:38.540 So China won't stop. 0.77

00:18:40.560 At least in the U.S., they're hitting that whack-a-mole with a few hammers.

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00:19:12.060 Wow.

00:19:12.800 Now, social media is so powerful.

00:19:16.480 It is how we communicate outwards,

00:19:19.800 but more importantly, it's how we are briefed on the world.

00:19:23.000 We look at the world through the prism of our social media.

00:19:25.900 I love Twitter because it's where a lot of political discussions are.

00:19:30.280 TikTok is, there's a politics to TikTok too,

00:19:34.260 and I really think it's affecting the collective mind of young Americans.

00:19:40.520 But talk for a minute about WeChat,

00:19:43.060 because I think most Canadians who are not Chinese don't know what WeChat is.

00:19:48.420 They've probably never heard of it.

00:19:51.740 Tell me about WeChat and its importance to Chinese control of how Chinese Canadians get their news,

00:19:58.940 get their opinions, get their politics.

00:20:02.340 Right.

00:20:02.960 WeChat is like one of these apps that we all use,

00:20:05.720 no matter what culture we're in now.

00:20:07.760 We text each other.

00:20:09.320 We use the app to make purchases in a store.

00:20:12.140 We use the app for everything.

00:20:14.600 We essentially let it sort of be our map

00:20:17.840 and help us find our way in the world virtually and in real life.

00:20:22.420 WeChat in China is that everything app that everyone uses

00:20:26.780 to text to family members, dating sites, social media,

00:20:32.740 make payments at the grocery store.

00:20:34.420 So it's fully integrated into the life of mainland China citizens.

00:20:39.420 And when they migrate to other countries,

00:20:42.240 they take that app with them and it becomes the same thing.

00:20:45.880 Now, this is important because what it's used for,

00:20:49.460 as my reporting exposed,

00:20:51.500 open source researchers did as well.

00:20:54.520 Prior to the 2021 election,

00:20:56.920 they found that this WeChat app was being used

00:20:59.900 to target Richmond MP Kenny Chu with smears

00:21:04.560 saying that, you know, he was against Chinese people.

00:21:08.120 And of course, he is an Asian man from Hong Kong. 0.99

00:21:11.760 Just ridiculous. 0.97

00:21:13.120 And yet it had a powerful impact. 0.90

00:21:15.680 As you know, days ago, it was revealed

00:21:18.120 that WeChat again was being used against Christia Freeland,

00:21:21.860 who's running against the apparent, you know,

00:21:24.460 pick or front runner for a liberal leader

00:21:26.780 or prime minister, I suppose, Mark Carney.

00:21:30.400 So that's very interesting.

00:21:31.720 WeChat again, let me put it this way.

00:21:35.620 What we found again in the Hogue Commission

00:21:37.320 is Canada's government knew WeChat

00:21:40.000 was being used against Kenny Chu.

00:21:42.060 It was being used against Erin O'Toole. 0.99

00:21:44.120 It was being used against the whole Conservative Party.

00:21:46.940 But Canada's government did nothing to warn the public.

00:21:50.840 And yet, at the very least, out of the Hogue Commission,

00:21:52.980 we have an election monitor saying,

00:21:57.340 look, Christia Freeland was attacked with disinformation. 1.00

00:22:01.300 So I could go on and on,

00:22:02.380 but your point about TikTok, WeChat,

00:22:05.100 essentially what high-level Western intelligence believes

00:22:08.040 is there's no other way to put it.

00:22:11.160 These are tools of mind control in China. 0.92

00:22:13.840 They're tools of monitoring,

00:22:15.280 and they're weaponized against communities in China.

00:22:18.380 And by extension, as I say,

00:22:20.880 the diasporas in North America,

00:22:23.180 WeChat, TikTok,

00:22:24.580 they're used against people as a Chinese state tool.

00:22:28.660 We had a staff member who was Chinese-Canadian

00:22:31.220 who worked with us,

00:22:32.360 and she got most of her news about the world from WeChat.

00:22:35.940 And I don't think she thought of it as political.

00:22:37.880 That's just sort of home for her.

00:22:39.620 It would be like so many Canadians just go to Facebook

00:22:42.880 and they do things on Facebook.

00:22:44.440 Maybe they buy something on Facebook.

00:22:46.360 That's just her turf. 1.00

00:22:48.920 And in her mind,

00:22:50.540 I don't even think she realized

00:22:51.980 that it was a propaganda site.

00:22:54.260 And occasionally she saw Rebel News

00:22:56.860 promote it on WeChat,

00:22:58.680 and she was very excited about it.

00:23:00.100 And I don't know,

00:23:01.380 it gave me the willies a little bit.

00:23:06.000 I mean, listen,

00:23:06.940 obviously a lot of,

00:23:08.440 most of what goes on on that site

00:23:10.760 is, as you say,

00:23:11.400 just the stuff of ordinary life,

00:23:13.500 just day-to-day things.

00:23:15.120 But everything's being tracked.

00:23:16.960 It's a huge data,

00:23:18.940 big data, as they say,

00:23:20.820 on individual people.

00:23:22.620 And I think it's like that old word,

00:23:25.340 the panopticon.

00:23:26.460 It's just spying on everyone all the time.

00:23:29.060 And I think Chinese intelligence

00:23:31.500 about what's happening in Canada

00:23:32.860 is probably superior

00:23:34.580 to Canadian government intelligence

00:23:36.320 on what's happening in Canada.

00:23:37.980 that I'm nervous about certain things

00:23:40.220 that I don't even dare to think about,

00:23:41.960 like drones.

00:23:43.140 I have a DJI brand drone.

00:23:46.540 Well, that's a Chinese company.

00:23:47.920 And I know everything it films

00:23:49.640 goes through their company servers.

00:23:52.700 I mean, I don't want to sound

00:23:53.940 like a conspiracy theorist,

00:23:55.360 but if I,

00:23:56.420 and I'm just, you know,

00:23:57.600 using it as a fun hobby,

00:23:59.160 but is everything that looks

00:24:00.920 through the DJI,

00:24:02.340 is that going into

00:24:03.100 some massive database?

00:24:04.500 I don't want to sound like a kook, 1.00

00:24:06.420 but I think it would be nuts

00:24:07.800 if China wasn't doing that. 1.00

00:24:10.200 Am I right?

00:24:11.460 You're 100% right.

00:24:13.440 One, you're correct.

00:24:14.840 Whether it's WeChat or TikTok,

00:24:18.040 at the highest levels,

00:24:19.540 the Chinese Communist Party's

00:24:20.940 propaganda entities

00:24:22.300 have full control

00:24:23.820 and full visibility

00:24:24.920 on all content.

00:24:26.120 Can they see every text message

00:24:27.640 you see to your mom

00:24:28.440 or that you bought eggs

00:24:29.320 in the morning?

00:24:30.380 No, they don't care about that,

00:24:31.700 but it's an ecosystem

00:24:32.860 that you live in

00:24:34.460 and it can be,

00:24:35.720 when it's important,

00:24:36.760 it can be weaponized.

00:24:38.120 So, to your point,

00:24:39.840 I'll get to it,

00:24:40.640 but look, TikTok,

00:24:42.040 TikTok, the French government

00:24:43.380 had to shut that down

00:24:44.640 in a Micronesian island

00:24:45.880 where they still have

00:24:46.940 some influence

00:24:47.600 because TikTok was used

00:24:49.020 to foment a rebellion, right?

00:24:51.520 So, this is why

00:24:52.440 the U.S. government

00:24:53.160 is concerned.

00:24:54.060 It can be used,

00:24:55.200 again, I believe you're right,

00:24:56.780 to condition the minds

00:24:57.980 of young people

00:24:58.820 that, as a good example,

00:25:00.920 let's say the nightmare happens,

00:25:02.840 Beijing invades Taiwan, 0.73

00:25:04.960 your child will be

00:25:06.260 getting a flood of stories

00:25:07.920 telling them why China,

00:25:09.660 in fact,

00:25:10.400 historically owns Taiwan

00:25:12.000 and, you know,

00:25:13.160 it's some CIA operation

00:25:14.760 that the Taiwanese people

00:25:16.320 don't want to be attacked.

00:25:18.340 But, you know,

00:25:18.820 to your point about

00:25:19.800 Chinese technology

00:25:22.280 in your life,

00:25:23.860 look, it's not

00:25:24.500 a fever dream anymore.

00:25:25.680 Again, the U.S. government

00:25:27.120 has taken a stance

00:25:28.700 over the past few months

00:25:29.660 of releasing more intelligence.

00:25:31.900 They have revealed

00:25:32.680 that Chinese hackers 1.00

00:25:34.960 have set up

00:25:36.020 in the U.S. critical infrastructure.

00:25:38.920 They had full visibility,

00:25:40.560 essentially,

00:25:41.220 into phone networks

00:25:43.220 across the U.S.

00:25:44.460 I believe they tapped

00:25:45.800 the incoming president's phone call.

00:25:48.300 They have visibility

00:25:49.140 on U.S. government investigations

00:25:52.020 into Chinese espionage.

00:25:53.740 We learned that

00:25:54.900 they are believed

00:25:56.660 to have control

00:25:57.540 in U.S. ports

00:25:58.600 if, again,

00:25:59.760 something like a war

00:26:00.780 or an attack on Taiwan occurs.

00:26:03.240 So to bring that back

00:26:04.080 to your point of

00:26:04.860 do we want the average Canadian

00:26:06.380 to know this

00:26:07.160 or feel like they're living

00:26:08.180 in a paranoid world,

00:26:10.120 we're at the point

00:26:11.220 where if you buy

00:26:12.080 a Chinese vehicle,

00:26:13.700 it's not controversial

00:26:14.900 to say that

00:26:15.840 that will be used

00:26:16.860 to track you, right?

00:26:18.640 There's nothing controversial

00:26:19.880 about this anymore.

00:26:21.640 And I guess my end point,

00:26:22.900 I could go on for a long time,

00:26:24.340 is with everything

00:26:25.400 that's going on

00:26:26.200 in Trump land,

00:26:27.180 Canada, Panama, Greenland,

00:26:30.500 over in Russia and Ukraine,

00:26:31.740 I don't think

00:26:32.660 the average citizen

00:26:33.640 quite understands,

00:26:35.380 you know,

00:26:35.960 that the powers of the world,

00:26:38.180 so the United States,

00:26:39.560 Japan, China, Russia,

00:26:41.840 I do believe

00:26:43.320 we're getting, you know,

00:26:44.340 very close

00:26:45.000 to growing

00:26:45.580 sort of kinetic war threats.

00:26:47.120 and that is what

00:26:48.700 I feel like

00:26:49.800 many of us

00:26:50.800 would have to think

00:26:51.680 that as average people,

00:26:52.800 we're feeling roiled

00:26:53.780 in our daily existence

00:26:55.020 and I think that

00:26:56.560 sort of China

00:26:57.400 and Russia

00:26:57.880 are driving that

00:26:58.720 and that people

00:26:59.360 should understand that.

00:27:00.960 Wow.

00:27:01.380 And I mean,

00:27:02.400 that's sort of

00:27:03.060 eating the fruit

00:27:04.200 from the tree of knowledge.

00:27:05.400 Do you wish 1.00

00:27:05.960 you were blissfully ignorant 1.00

00:27:07.580 or do you want 1.00

00:27:09.020 to embrace the world

00:27:09.960 with its chaos

00:27:10.720 and its risk?

00:27:11.560 It can be exhausting

00:27:12.620 and maybe that's part of it

00:27:14.120 to demoralize us.

00:27:15.480 We're talking with Sam Cooper.

00:27:17.120 He's the boss

00:27:18.100 behind the Bureau.news,

00:27:20.740 an independent

00:27:21.300 investigative journalist.

00:27:23.160 Sam, I'm grateful

00:27:23.760 for your time.

00:27:24.280 I don't want to keep you

00:27:24.860 too much longer

00:27:25.420 but let me ask you

00:27:26.600 about something

00:27:27.200 that I'm a little worried about.

00:27:28.320 You mentioned

00:27:28.960 that a disinformation

00:27:31.580 operation

00:27:32.700 against Chrystia Freeland

00:27:34.080 was flagged

00:27:35.340 by Canadian

00:27:36.040 Security Committee

00:27:37.800 tasked with

00:27:38.860 monitoring elections.

00:27:41.260 My understanding

00:27:42.240 is that the

00:27:43.020 Liberal Leadership Contest

00:27:44.520 is open

00:27:45.260 to people

00:27:46.020 as young

00:27:46.460 as 14

00:27:47.140 and

00:27:48.560 now you have

00:27:49.860 to be a permanent

00:27:50.620 resident

00:27:51.160 before it was anyone

00:27:52.200 even foreign nationals

00:27:53.560 I understand

00:27:54.080 but still

00:27:55.140 you don't have to be

00:27:55.960 a Canadian citizen

00:27:56.920 and you don't have

00:27:57.940 to be an adult

00:27:58.800 and

00:27:59.600 given how fast

00:28:01.220 it's happening

00:28:01.800 and how online

00:28:02.720 it is

00:28:03.240 it seems to me

00:28:05.700 that it is

00:28:06.240 at great risk

00:28:07.840 of being gamed

00:28:09.400 or even

00:28:10.140 hacked

00:28:10.880 and

00:28:11.280 I would say

00:28:12.500 the Chinese hackers 0.98

00:28:13.420 are amongst the best

00:28:14.400 in the world

00:28:14.860 I'd put them up there

00:28:15.800 with Israel

00:28:16.740 United States

00:28:17.640 Russia

00:28:18.020 and China

00:28:18.740 those are probably

00:28:19.440 your top four

00:28:20.800 computer savvy countries

00:28:23.180 I simply don't believe

00:28:25.900 that the

00:28:27.020 you know

00:28:27.500 $30 an hour

00:28:29.120 computer programmers

00:28:30.160 at the Liberal Party

00:28:31.080 of Canada

00:28:31.660 can build something

00:28:33.300 resistant

00:28:33.940 to top Chinese hackers

00:28:36.300 and

00:28:37.300 maybe there's no way

00:28:39.260 around it

00:28:39.900 but

00:28:40.560 I mean

00:28:41.080 I guess

00:28:41.420 in our elections

00:28:41.980 we use paper

00:28:42.700 and pencil

00:28:43.340 ballots

00:28:44.180 are you

00:28:45.260 worried

00:28:45.940 that the

00:28:46.760 Liberal Leadership

00:28:47.800 Contest

00:28:48.560 will be

00:28:50.120 abused

00:28:52.980 distorted

00:28:53.720 interfered with

00:28:55.700 taken over

00:28:56.840 infiltrated

00:28:57.780 by

00:28:58.780 the Chinese government

00:29:00.840 or another government

00:29:01.600 maybe it's Iran

00:29:02.380 who says

00:29:03.560 we will be able

00:29:04.400 to choose

00:29:04.940 literally the next

00:29:05.800 Canadian Prime Minister

00:29:06.780 for what could be

00:29:08.020 the next six months

00:29:08.780 because

00:29:09.120 whoever wins

00:29:10.120 that Liberal Leadership

00:29:10.860 is probably

00:29:11.440 going to be able

00:29:11.920 to do a deal

00:29:12.460 with Jagmeet Singh

00:29:13.240 and is probably

00:29:14.500 going to be

00:29:14.860 the Prime Minister

00:29:15.480 until October

00:29:16.240 that's a pretty

00:29:17.520 big prize to win

00:29:18.520 what do you think?

00:29:19.800 I'm hugely worried

00:29:21.000 and I'll try to

00:29:22.240 break it down

00:29:22.880 into about

00:29:23.320 three or four points

00:29:24.300 one it came out

00:29:25.200 again in the

00:29:25.880 Hogue Commission

00:29:26.560 MP Michael

00:29:28.080 John

00:29:28.600 testified

00:29:29.520 his evidence

00:29:30.380 was that

00:29:31.080 he has

00:29:32.140 grave concerns

00:29:33.040 that the next

00:29:33.800 or a Prime Minister

00:29:35.220 or a Premier

00:29:36.720 under Canada's

00:29:38.100 system

00:29:38.520 can be

00:29:39.420 choosed

00:29:39.860 by leadership

00:29:40.600 nomination

00:29:41.340 contests

00:29:41.980 that are

00:29:42.300 open to abuse

00:29:43.220 another major

00:29:44.440 point from

00:29:44.940 the Hogue Commission

00:29:45.580 was it's not

00:29:46.940 as much

00:29:47.320 the general

00:29:47.820 election

00:29:48.280 as nominations

00:29:49.500 and leadership

00:29:50.900 contests

00:29:51.740 that are

00:29:52.140 most open

00:29:53.360 to abuse

00:29:54.020 and you know

00:29:55.320 with regards

00:29:55.940 to the attack

00:29:57.400 on Christia Freeland

00:29:58.520 again using

00:29:59.400 the very same

00:30:00.360 network

00:30:02.560 that is

00:30:02.980 WeChat

00:30:03.460 vectors

00:30:04.520 connections

00:30:05.120 to Chinese

00:30:05.780 state media

00:30:06.480 and disinformation

00:30:07.900 it resembled

00:30:09.160 exactly

00:30:09.720 the attack

00:30:10.320 on Kenny

00:30:10.800 Chu 0.54

00:30:11.120 so I think

00:30:12.100 a lot of

00:30:12.600 smart people

00:30:13.140 were wondering

00:30:13.720 why Christia Freeland

00:30:15.220 well one

00:30:16.040 she is the one

00:30:17.440 that in

00:30:18.300 Justin Trudeau's

00:30:19.060 party

00:30:19.420 took some

00:30:20.960 regulatory action

00:30:22.120 against

00:30:23.100 I'll just call it

00:30:24.000 a financial

00:30:24.620 startup

00:30:25.140 which according

00:30:26.420 to the reports

00:30:27.320 from the Globe

00:30:27.840 and Mail

00:30:28.200 had concerns

00:30:29.140 around Chinese

00:30:29.900 state activity

00:30:30.780 concerns around

00:30:32.780 illicit

00:30:33.740 alleged money

00:30:34.880 laundering

00:30:35.420 there's

00:30:35.840 ongoing

00:30:36.200 lawsuits

00:30:36.800 there

00:30:37.160 so I'll

00:30:37.540 leave that

00:30:37.880 at that

00:30:38.320 but how

00:30:39.240 convenient

00:30:39.860 would it

00:30:40.240 be for

00:30:40.720 if Beijing

00:30:41.460 is trying

00:30:42.000 to control

00:30:42.520 a major

00:30:43.080 financial

00:30:43.680 entity

00:30:44.120 with insight

00:30:44.900 into the

00:30:45.320 lives

00:30:45.600 of Chinese

00:30:46.120 Canadians 0.97

00:30:46.580 to attack 0.98

00:30:47.880 the person

00:30:48.400 that regulated

00:30:49.160 it

00:30:49.480 and perhaps

00:30:50.840 to favor

00:30:51.460 a Mark

00:30:52.320 Carney

00:30:52.700 because

00:30:53.520 Ezra

00:30:53.880 remember

00:30:54.360 I know

00:30:54.700 you follow

00:30:55.220 the better

00:30:55.960 politics

00:30:56.560 reporters

00:30:56.980 closely

00:30:57.520 there's no

00:30:58.720 there's no

00:30:59.500 denial

00:31:00.140 that

00:31:00.620 Carney

00:31:02.140 appears to

00:31:02.960 be the

00:31:03.320 choice

00:31:03.920 of the

00:31:04.280 Trudeau

00:31:04.600 Prime Minister's

00:31:05.300 office

00:31:05.560 it's sort

00:31:06.700 of like

00:31:07.060 if you want

00:31:07.700 to call it

00:31:08.060 a baton

00:31:08.580 pass

00:31:09.040 to a new

00:31:09.580 leader

00:31:09.920 and it

00:31:10.940 looks like

00:31:11.340 the Liberal

00:31:11.680 Party

00:31:12.020 is doing

00:31:12.900 pretty well

00:31:13.540 with that

00:31:14.180 you know

00:31:15.040 if you want

00:31:15.780 to call it

00:31:16.180 scheme

00:31:16.600 right now

00:31:17.220 and I have

00:31:18.380 already seen

00:31:19.160 on the ground

00:31:19.880 indications

00:31:20.560 to your

00:31:21.880 point

00:31:22.200 you know

00:31:22.640 will

00:31:23.000 could the

00:31:23.780 next

00:31:24.020 Prime Minister

00:31:24.520 be chosen

00:31:25.040 by a foreign

00:31:25.620 state

00:31:25.980 look

00:31:26.760 I reported

00:31:27.720 this morning

00:31:28.280 for the

00:31:28.620 Bureau

00:31:28.860 in a

00:31:29.300 podcast

00:31:29.660 that

00:31:30.180 open

00:31:30.580 source

00:31:30.940 records

00:31:31.340 show

00:31:31.700 Mark

00:31:32.320 Carney

00:31:32.740 appearing

00:31:33.920 in the

00:31:34.460 Richmond

00:31:34.820 riding

00:31:35.300 remember

00:31:36.140 where

00:31:36.540 Kenny

00:31:36.820 Chu 0.54

00:31:36.960 was

00:31:37.160 attacked

00:31:37.560 with

00:31:38.420 the

00:31:38.680 Liberal

00:31:38.960 Party

00:31:39.340 MP

00:31:39.700 who

00:31:40.280 benefited

00:31:40.820 from

00:31:41.080 the

00:31:41.200 attack

00:31:41.500 on

00:31:41.700 Kenny

00:31:41.920 Chu 0.54

00:31:42.220 and

00:31:42.840 in

00:31:43.080 the

00:31:43.260 crowd

00:31:43.620 astute

00:31:44.180 observers

00:31:44.700 noticed

00:31:45.320 designated

00:31:47.040 Beijing

00:31:48.400 united

00:31:49.260 front

00:31:49.660 work

00:31:50.000 department

00:31:50.600 community

00:31:51.360 leader

00:31:51.780 so what

00:31:52.620 does that

00:31:53.000 mean

00:31:53.260 it's

00:31:53.600 someone

00:31:53.900 in the

00:31:54.520 community

00:31:55.300 in British

00:31:55.920 Columbia

00:31:56.360 that Beijing

00:31:57.520 has chosen

00:31:58.540 as a leader

00:31:59.720 to essentially

00:32:01.520 interfere

00:32:02.380 in Canadian

00:32:02.980 politics

00:32:03.600 and it

00:32:04.340 looks like

00:32:04.840 those forces

00:32:05.400 are lining

00:32:05.880 up behind

00:32:06.640 Mr. Carney

00:32:07.320 it looks

00:32:08.340 like

00:32:08.740 what I would

00:32:09.560 call

00:32:09.820 related

00:32:10.480 cyber forces

00:32:11.820 are attacking

00:32:12.640 Chrystia Freeland

00:32:13.580 so I

00:32:15.040 think

00:32:15.500 already

00:32:16.240 I'm

00:32:17.080 confident

00:32:17.500 saying

00:32:17.920 there's

00:32:18.280 interference

00:32:18.820 in

00:32:19.400 the

00:32:20.080 Liberal

00:32:20.560 Leadership

00:32:20.900 Campaign

00:32:21.400 wow

00:32:22.340 that's

00:32:22.840 absolutely

00:32:23.400 incredible

00:32:24.080 give me

00:32:25.600 30 more

00:32:26.080 seconds

00:32:26.440 on Mark

00:32:27.020 Carney

00:32:27.360 and

00:32:27.580 China

00:32:27.960 I mean

00:32:28.320 he

00:32:28.880 Mark

00:32:29.240 Carney

00:32:29.500 was

00:32:29.740 sort

00:32:29.880 of

00:32:29.940 a

00:32:30.040 master

00:32:30.320 of

00:32:30.500 the

00:32:30.600 universe

00:32:30.880 he

00:32:31.140 was

00:32:31.360 the

00:32:32.000 head

00:32:32.220 of

00:32:32.320 the

00:32:32.420 Bank

00:32:32.600 of

00:32:32.740 Canada

00:32:33.120 then

00:32:33.380 the

00:32:33.520 head

00:32:33.640 of

00:32:33.760 the

00:32:33.920 Bank

00:32:34.120 of

00:32:34.260 England

00:32:34.520 and

00:32:34.760 he

00:32:35.300 was

00:32:35.480 on

00:32:35.600 the

00:32:35.740 board

00:32:35.980 of

00:32:36.080 the

00:32:36.180 World

00:32:36.380 Economic

00:32:36.880 Forum

00:32:37.340 and

00:32:37.600 he's

00:32:37.820 the

00:32:37.980 chairman

00:32:38.240 of

00:32:38.520 a

00:32:38.940 massive

00:32:43.580 him

00:32:43.720 last

00:32:44.040 year

00:32:44.280 with

00:32:44.600 Xi

00:32:45.080 Jinping 0.99

00:32:45.380 I

00:32:45.580 want

00:32:45.720 to

00:32:45.820 make

00:32:45.960 sure

00:32:46.140 that

00:32:46.300 wasn't

00:32:47.320 AI

00:32:47.980 I

00:32:48.480 want

00:32:48.660 to

00:32:48.760 make

00:32:48.900 sure

00:32:49.060 that's

00:32:49.300 for

00:32:49.460 real

00:32:49.720 he

00:32:50.540 is

00:32:51.020 one

00:32:51.260 of

00:32:51.380 these

00:32:51.760 fellows

00:32:52.900 for

00:32:53.160 whom

00:32:53.420 borders

00:32:54.020 really

00:32:54.560 are

00:32:54.740 meaningless

00:32:55.080 he's

00:32:55.300 got

00:32:55.440 three

00:32:55.700 passports

00:32:56.480 I'm

00:32:59.500 not

00:32:59.680 calling

00:33:00.440 him

00:33:00.740 disloyal

00:33:01.480 but

00:33:02.140 boy

00:33:02.540 he

00:33:02.800 sure

00:33:03.120 has

00:33:03.440 a

00:33:03.580 lot

00:33:03.720 of

00:33:03.860 friends

00:33:04.300 who

00:33:05.640 maybe

00:33:06.740 have

00:33:07.020 different

00:33:07.580 agendas

00:33:08.740 than

00:33:09.060 Canada

00:33:09.420 what do

00:33:10.240 you know

00:33:10.400 about

00:33:10.660 Carney

00:33:10.980 and

00:33:11.220 China

00:33:11.660 yeah

00:33:13.100 in a

00:33:13.460 very

00:33:13.680 brief

00:33:14.100 answer

00:33:14.500 I

00:33:14.840 would

00:33:15.020 agree

00:33:15.320 with

00:33:15.580 the

00:33:15.720 way

00:33:15.920 that

00:33:16.100 you

00:33:16.260 framed

00:33:16.640 this

00:33:17.020 with

00:33:17.480 facts

00:33:17.980 so

00:33:18.460 just

00:33:19.300 like

00:33:20.240 Michael

00:33:20.600 Bloomberg

00:33:20.960 who

00:33:21.780 is

00:33:22.020 in

00:33:22.200 those

00:33:22.400 very

00:33:22.680 same

00:33:23.060 sort

00:33:23.320 of

00:33:23.500 rarefied

00:33:24.440 global

00:33:25.020 sort

00:33:25.500 of

00:33:25.640 business

00:33:25.980 person

00:33:26.560 circles

00:33:27.480 and

00:33:28.840 supported

00:33:29.420 verbal

00:33:30.100 I

00:33:30.340 believe

00:33:30.700 you know

00:33:31.180 in a

00:33:31.420 written

00:33:31.600 post

00:33:32.020 has

00:33:32.280 supported

00:33:32.760 Mark

00:33:33.080 Carney

00:33:33.360 although

00:33:33.920 Mr.

00:33:34.300 Bloomberg

00:33:34.540 is

00:33:34.760 not

00:33:34.960 a

00:33:35.100 Canadian

00:33:35.460 these

00:33:36.500 are

00:33:36.620 the

00:33:36.740 very

00:33:37.080 you

00:33:37.520 know

00:33:37.620 type

00:33:37.960 of

00:33:38.140 business

00:33:38.460 people

00:33:38.900 that

00:33:39.420 are

00:33:40.060 on

00:33:40.260 the

00:33:40.420 record

00:33:40.800 sort

00:33:43.100 those

00:33:43.620 deep

00:33:44.240 and

00:33:44.600 borderless

00:33:45.380 trade

00:33:45.800 ties

00:33:46.260 between

00:33:46.980 North

00:33:47.320 America

00:33:47.760 and

00:33:48.360 China

00:33:48.780 both

00:33:50.940 I

00:33:51.260 would

00:33:51.440 say

00:33:52.280 with

00:33:52.480 some

00:33:52.780 confidence

00:33:53.340 their

00:33:53.600 businesses

00:33:54.140 or

00:33:54.460 business

00:33:54.800 models

00:33:55.280 would

00:33:55.740 have

00:33:55.960 direct

00:33:56.420 investments

00:33:57.060 with

00:33:58.040 Chinese

00:33:58.820 entities

00:33:59.340 and

00:34:00.220 look

00:34:00.500 you

00:34:00.680 mentioned

00:34:01.180 Mr.

00:34:02.280 Carney's

00:34:02.660 sort

00:34:02.780 of

00:34:02.880 global

00:34:03.200 banking

00:34:03.600 heritage

00:34:04.120 I

00:34:04.760 just

00:34:05.040 saw

00:34:05.260 a

00:34:05.380 data

00:34:05.560 point

00:34:05.800 the

00:34:05.960 other

00:34:06.140 day

00:34:06.400 that

00:34:06.620 as

00:34:06.840 Bank

00:34:07.180 of

00:34:07.340 England

00:34:07.560 governor

00:34:07.960 he

00:34:08.760 increased

00:34:09.480 dealings

00:34:10.060 with

00:34:10.320 the

00:34:10.480 Bank

00:34:10.720 of

00:34:10.880 China

00:34:11.260 which

00:34:11.840 would

00:34:12.020 be

00:34:12.220 supportive

00:34:12.860 of

00:34:13.220 what

00:34:14.940 are

00:34:15.080 called

00:34:15.420 multilateral

00:34:16.320 development

00:34:17.400 deals

00:34:17.880 around

00:34:18.220 the

00:34:18.400 world

00:34:18.700 and

00:34:19.460 as

00:34:19.660 we

00:34:19.820 saw

00:34:20.080 we

00:34:20.280 I'll

00:34:21.220 end

00:34:21.320 my

00:34:21.480 answer

00:34:21.740 here

00:34:21.980 we

00:34:22.160 saw

00:34:22.440 a

00:34:22.600 very

00:34:22.800 noted

00:34:23.180 Canadian

00:34:23.640 business

00:34:24.060 person

00:34:24.520 drop out

00:34:25.500 of the

00:34:25.840 Asia

00:34:26.200 infrastructure

00:34:27.060 investment

00:34:27.540 bank

00:34:27.920 because

00:34:28.460 he

00:34:28.780 believed

00:34:29.220 that

00:34:29.420 that

00:34:29.600 was

00:34:29.760 a

00:34:29.900 Chinese

00:34:30.240 Communist

00:34:30.600 Party

00:34:30.920 influence

00:34:31.320 op

00:34:31.620 Mark Carney

00:34:32.580 appears

00:34:32.960 to be

00:34:33.280 the

00:34:33.420 type

00:34:33.600 of

00:34:33.720 person

00:34:34.000 that

00:34:34.240 would

00:34:34.360 want

00:34:34.660 to

00:34:34.760 be

00:34:34.900 involved

00:34:35.320 in

00:34:35.640 those

00:34:35.980 multilateral

00:34:36.880 China

00:34:37.620 connected

00:34:38.180 global

00:34:38.640 trade

00:34:39.020 initiatives

00:34:39.540 Wow

00:34:40.300 Sam

00:34:41.180 I've

00:34:41.500 enjoyed

00:34:41.940 our past

00:34:42.560 half hour

00:34:43.020 together

00:34:43.320 so much

00:34:43.860 I've

00:34:44.060 learned

00:34:44.300 so much

00:34:45.140 I'm

00:34:45.320 very

00:34:45.660 excited

00:34:46.120 about

00:34:46.360 what

00:34:46.560 you're

00:34:46.740 doing

00:34:46.880 and

00:34:47.000 I

00:34:47.100 want

00:34:47.240 to

00:34:47.340 encourage

00:34:47.860 all

00:34:48.460 Rebel

00:34:48.660 News

00:34:48.920 viewers

00:34:49.240 to

00:34:49.660 make

00:34:50.380 Sam

00:34:50.880 part

00:34:51.280 of

00:34:51.600 your

00:34:52.000 journalistic

00:34:53.160 diet

00:34:53.560 if I

00:34:54.060 can

00:34:54.220 use

00:34:54.440 that

00:34:54.660 phrase

00:34:55.040 the

00:34:55.280 website

00:34:55.620 is

00:34:55.960 the

00:34:56.140 bureau

00:34:56.480 dot

00:34:57.220 news

00:34:57.580 I

00:34:58.340 think

00:34:58.520 you're

00:34:58.680 going

00:34:58.760 to

00:34:58.820 get

00:34:58.940 a

00:34:59.040 lot

00:34:59.160 of

00:34:59.280 primary

00:34:59.940 factual

00:35:00.880 reporting

00:35:02.000 by

00:35:02.480 Sam

00:35:02.940 and

00:35:04.100 I

00:35:05.060 don't

00:35:05.180 know

00:35:05.320 I'm

00:35:05.500 just

00:35:05.640 very

00:35:05.920 grateful

00:35:06.400 that

00:35:06.680 you're

00:35:06.880 here

00:35:07.060 because

00:35:07.400 I

00:35:08.260 will

00:35:08.640 give

00:35:08.840 some

00:35:09.060 credit

00:35:09.300 to

00:35:09.460 the

00:35:09.580 Globe

00:35:09.760 and

00:35:09.880 Mail

00:35:10.020 they've

00:35:10.440 done

00:35:10.580 some

00:35:10.800 good

00:35:10.960 work

00:35:11.200 on

00:35:11.340 this

00:35:11.500 file

00:35:11.820 but

00:35:12.620 I

00:35:12.880 feel

00:35:13.160 that

00:35:13.380 by

00:35:13.800 being

00:35:14.120 an

00:35:14.280 independent

00:35:14.800 operator

00:35:15.460 yourself

00:35:15.940 you have

00:35:16.380 more

00:35:16.640 freedom

00:35:16.980 to

00:35:17.620 do

00:35:17.840 so

00:35:18.180 and

00:35:18.700 we're

00:35:19.100 certainly

00:35:19.340 going to

00:35:19.620 follow

00:35:19.820 your

00:35:19.980 work

00:35:20.240 again

00:35:20.880 it's

00:35:21.080 the

00:35:21.260 bureau

00:35:21.560 dot

00:35:21.840 news

00:35:22.040 Sam

00:35:22.280 Cooper

00:35:22.520 thanks

00:35:22.820 for

00:35:22.960 joining

00:35:23.200 us

00:35:23.380 today

00:35:23.680 it's

00:35:24.560 been

00:35:24.700 a

00:35:24.820 pleasure

00:35:25.020 thanks

00:35:25.340 Ezra

00:35:25.620 all

00:35:26.140 right

00:35:26.360 wow

00:35:26.680 there's

00:35:26.920 a lot

00:35:27.180 to

00:35:27.300 think

00:35:27.500 about

00:35:27.760 there

00:35:28.060 well

00:35:28.700 that's

00:35:28.920 our

00:35:29.040 show

00:35:29.220 for

00:35:29.380 today

00:35:29.720 until

00:35:30.460 next

00:35:30.720 time

00:35:31.060 on

00:35:31.520 behalf

00:35:31.780 of

00:35:31.960 all

00:35:32.120 of

00:35:32.240 us

00:35:32.360 here

00:35:32.520 at

00:35:32.680 rebel

00:35:32.880 world

00:35:33.160 headquarters

00:35:33.640 to

00:35:33.840 you

00:35:33.960 at

00:35:34.080 home

00:35:34.240 good

00:35:34.460 night

00:35:34.780 and

00:35:35.640 keep

00:35:35.820 fighting

00:35:36.100 for

00:35:36.340 freedom

00:35:57.180 videos

00:35:58.140 our

00:35:58.660 website

00:35:59.260 or

00:35:59.560 even

00:35:59.920 our

00:36:00.180 digital

00:36:00.760 billboard

00:36:01.480 truck

00:36:01.940 rebel

00:36:03.040 news

00:36:03.440 has

00:36:03.760 your

00:36:04.000 advertising

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00:36:05.160 covered

00:36:05.560 it's

00:36:06.720 easy

00:36:07.180 to

00:36:07.400 get

00:36:07.580 started

00:36:08.100 just

00:36:09.080 head

00:36:09.320 over

00:36:09.560 to

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00:36:11.500 slash

00:36:12.020 advertise

00:36:12.740 that's

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00:36:17.420 fill

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00:36:21.020 how

00:36:21.440 rebel

00:36:21.840 news

00:36:22.180 can

00:36:22.440 help

00:36:22.780 spread

00:36:23.200 your

00:36:23.440 message

00:36:23.840 today

00:36:24.300 don't

00:36:25.360 wait

00:36:25.780 advertise

00:36:26.660 with

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00:36:32.560 independent

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Rebel News Podcast - February 13, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Independent journalists lead the way on Chinese interference reporting

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