Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT： Inside our walking 'interview' with Greta Thunberg at the World Economic Forum

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. As you know, we cover things in a different way than the rest of the media,

00:00:07.000 especially their heroes. We ask questions of their heroes that they don't. There's no bigger

00:00:11.940 hero on the left than Greta Thunberg, the child actor from Sweden. And I call her a child actor

00:00:17.100 because you will see why she's a child actor, because we spent 20 minutes walking and talking

00:00:24.560 with her through the streets of Davos, Switzerland today, one of the most bizarre

00:00:28.660 conversations I've ever had in my life. And I will let you see it and judge for yourself,

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00:00:52.200 All right, here is one of the strangest shows we have done in a while because it is with a very

00:00:56.940 unusual child actress named Greta Thunberg. Here you go.

00:01:16.580 Tonight, we walk and talk with Greta Thunberg for more than 20 minutes. It's January 20th,

00:01:23.440 and this is the Ezra Levant Show from Davos, Switzerland.

00:01:29.900 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:41.780 Greta Thunberg, you know the name. She's a young lady, a girl really, who is the face of the climate

00:01:50.180 movement. Except for the thing is, she's not actually that young anymore. I mean, listen,

00:01:55.560 I wish I was just 20 like she is, but she is 20. It's not a teenager anymore. It's certainly not a

00:02:02.640 girl. Although meeting her in person today reminded me of how physically small she is. And I don't know

00:02:09.640 if it's a medical condition or just a particular unique look, but she truly looks like someone who

00:02:16.740 is 12 or 13. She may even be developmentally challenged. I don't know, and I'm certainly

00:02:21.620 not casting aspersions. I'm just describing the fact that a 20-year-old woman can look like a child

00:02:29.380 for so long. The reason that's relevant, again, it's not a personal aesthetic criticism. It's rather

00:02:36.820 unlocking the key to her success. This 20-year-old woman who has aged out of being a child

00:02:45.080 can come across as a young, naive child and has a very powerful resonance when a child prophet

00:02:54.620 shall shame and name the old men who have put us in a climate crisis. Remember when she went to the 1.00

00:03:01.740 United Nations and gave a passionate speech? How dare you? How dare you steal my dreams? Remember this?

00:03:09.040 This is all wrong. I shouldn't be up here. I should be back in school on the other side

00:03:17.360 of the ocean. Yet you all come to us young people for hope. How dare you? You have stolen my dreams

00:03:28.380 my childhood with your empty words, and yet I'm one of the lucky ones. People are suffering. People are

00:03:38.680 dying. Entire ecosystems are collapsing. We are in the beginning of a mass extinction, and all you can

00:03:47.860 talk about is money and fairy tales of eternal economic growth. How dare you?

00:03:54.500 That was powerful for one reason, because it sounded like a child as admonishing the grown-ups

00:04:03.760 instead of real life, which is grown-ups typically chiding and discipling a child. Alas, Greta Thunberg

00:04:11.500 is no child, but she still has tremendous PR value. Now, we at Rebel News have been following Greta Thunberg

00:04:18.260 for years. For example, we scrummed her briefly when she was in New York City, and it was there that we

00:04:23.360 discovered she actually doesn't do interactive conversations well at all. She sort of panics

00:04:29.660 or freezes up or just goes silent. Here's a quick hit from when she was in New York City.

00:04:34.120 Greta, Greta, Greta, how was the ride over? How was the ride over?

00:05:02.860 Greta, Greta, Greta.

00:05:11.280 We met up with Greta again when she was in Alberta passing through. We found out where she was staying

00:05:18.200 at a hotel. We booked a room in the hotel as well, and we met her by chance, or we were lingering there,

00:05:24.160 in the hotel office business lounge. And here's how that interaction went. It was our former reporter,

00:05:31.780 Kian Bexty, who approached her in a very friendly way and then asked firmer and firmer questions until

00:05:36.820 she sort of said, oh, this is an interview. I'm getting out of here. Here's Kian Bexty 0.94

00:05:40.580 interviewing Greta Thunberg in Red Deer a few years back.

00:05:43.460 Can I ask? I'm curious, because, you know, Calgary's an oil city. Why don't you guys go to China or Saudi

00:05:49.600 Arabia? Protest them. 1.00

00:05:51.300 Yeah, because right now I'm here and I've stopped flying. So to go there, that would help too. But I mean,

00:05:57.820 I went here because I received an invitation to go here. If I received an invitation to go to China,

00:06:02.640 I would, of course, go to China. 0.77

00:06:03.860 So will you be disclosing your finances? Will you be telling us who is paying for your trip,

00:06:09.140 your Tesla, and bringing you to our country in the middle of an election?

00:06:13.060 Thank you very much. I'm paying.

00:06:15.780 You're paying for everything. You pay for the Tesla?

00:06:18.260 You borrow the Tesla for free from New York.

00:06:25.440 Have you registered as a third-party advertiser coming to this country in the middle of an election

00:06:31.420 period? It's the middle of an election. You understand that? Have you registered as a third-party advertiser?

00:06:37.820 I'm sure she will not talk about the elections at all.

00:06:40.140 I will not. I have never mentioned the election period.

00:06:43.500 You understand that climate change is a pivotal policy. It is a ballot box question in this election.

00:06:49.180 This is a ballot box question in this election, and you're rallying, you're engaging in our political discourse

00:06:55.580 as a foreigner.

00:06:57.660 Climate change is politics, is it not?

00:06:59.340 Science.

00:07:01.260 So is science going to solve it? Would you like a technical solution to climate change,

00:07:04.940 or would you like politicians to solve it?

00:07:06.540 I'd really appreciate it if you stop talking to us right now. We have a meeting.

00:07:11.420 You're engaging in political discourse in a foreign country as a foreigner.

00:07:14.780 We appreciate it.

00:07:15.420 Thank you very much.

00:07:16.300 Will you be disclosing your finances, and will you be registering as a third-party operative?

00:07:24.700 Will you be registering as a third-party operative?

00:07:30.300 Thanks. Thank you very much.

00:07:32.220 Thank you.

00:07:33.820 The final part of our interactions with Greta was when we actually went to Stockholm, Sweden.

00:07:39.340 And to try and find out a little bit more about Greta's past. Who was she? 0.82

00:07:43.340 Who was organizing everything? Who was paying for everything? Who was writing those pithy tweets? 0.98

00:07:49.260 Who was the PR machine behind her? We tried to find out, but didn't get very far.

00:07:54.380 Here's a clip from our visit to Stockholm, which was part of our documentary called Greta Inc.

00:08:00.220 Greta, would you be able to tell me what school are you actually striking from?

00:08:04.140 Yes.

00:08:04.620 Yeah, tell me your press call.

00:08:06.060 I'm taking a special leave of school.

00:08:07.980 Yes. So when you actually started your school strike, were you leaving the classroom,

00:08:12.380 or did you have a day off from your school that you were at?

00:08:16.060 You know that the school you go to, you have multiple days off a week.

00:08:19.980 You don't actually have to go to class nine to five.

00:08:21.740 Did you walk valiantly from the classroom like you've led the world to believe,

00:08:25.340 or did you just have days off on Friday?

00:08:27.020 Nice to meet you again. I remember you from Edmonton.

00:08:31.420 Yes. I remember your Tesla. It was full of plastic.

00:08:33.820 Oh, it was not my Tesla. I shared it with many others.

00:08:37.340 Well, that's what you already know about Greta, our attempts to cover her briefly in cities where

00:08:44.300 she was briefly at. Well, we're in Davos, Switzerland for the World Economic Forum,

00:08:49.180 a get-together of billionaires and oligarchs with some of the highest carbon footprints you'll ever find.

00:08:53.660 In fact, you'll recall we visited the private jet airport where the planes just didn't stop coming.

00:08:59.260 And then once the planes stopped coming, the helicopters kept coming.

00:09:01.980 Well, it's quite a thing for Greta Thunberg to go to such a high-carbon event such as Davos with all these billionaires.

00:09:10.620 But she was here, and we heard that she was speaking at the CNBC studio.

00:09:16.460 Ezra Levant here for Rebel News. I'm standing outside the CNBC studio, the same one where the

00:09:22.380 vice president threatened to clock our friend Avi Amini. Of course, it's where all the VVIPs pop by 1.00

00:09:29.500 to give their propaganda message, dutifully transcribed by the media party here.

00:09:34.380 How dare you?

00:09:35.660 It is the most important person in the world, according to the World Economic Forum. It is young

00:09:43.180 Greta Thunberg. So we'll see if we can catch a minute of the young lady's time. 1.00

00:09:48.700 Greta, how many times did you rehearse your arrest at the German coal mine?

00:09:53.820 How many times did you rehearse it? Because it looks staged. Is it true?

00:09:57.740 How many times did you rehearse your arrest? Greta, how many times did you film your arrest,

00:10:05.500 and why was it staged that way?

00:10:07.260 Greta, considering you've not spent much time in school, how do you know so much about climate change?

00:10:12.300 Greta, maybe you want to talk to a real journalist. What did you do here in Davos to go to the test

00:10:19.660 school?

00:10:19.980 Greta, as a real journalist, is climate change as real as your arrest?

00:10:27.660 Greta, how far are you willing to go? You're willing to break the law.

00:10:34.460 Will you renounce violence? Will you renounce violence, Greta? Or do you support Antifa?

00:10:41.020 You've worn an Antifa shirt before. Are you in favor of Antifa?

00:10:46.060 Greta, how did you get here today? What was your climate footprint in traveling here?

00:10:53.260 What's your plan while you're here, Greta?

00:10:54.780 Uh, five.

00:11:00.300 What?

00:11:02.700 Will we have a Friday for future demo tomorrow here?

00:11:07.340 Greta, how do you feel about discussing climate change with the delegates here when nearly all of them

00:11:13.580 take private jets? Do you think at least the fact these delegates take private jets is a bad thing

00:11:19.020 against, you know, what you believe in?

00:11:20.300 All of this could be done via Zoom. So surely, surely you should be encouraging all the delegates here,

00:11:28.460 especially the likes of US Special Envoy John Kerry for climate, uh, Special Envoy for climate change.

00:11:33.180 Surely you should be saying to these people, you should be doing this via Zoom with a much

00:11:38.060 smaller carbon footprint, surely?

00:11:43.900 Greta, avoid my questions if climate change is a con.

00:11:46.700 Greta, what do you think about Bitcoin?

00:11:49.900 Well, I think that says enough.

00:11:51.260 Greta, energy prices in Europe have never been higher. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

00:12:01.660 Are you happy that natural gas is so expensive so people can't afford it? Or do you think that's bad?

00:12:07.420 Greta, it's getting quite cold in Davos. When can I expect some global warming?

00:12:19.260 Greta, would you say you're a child actor?

00:12:22.620 Are you a child actor or an expert? How would you describe yourself?

00:12:28.060 Greta, are there any climate actions planned whilst you're here with all the other activists?

00:12:31.660 I don't know. Sure. Yeah. I'm sure people are planning to.

00:12:37.740 Greta, are you used to gentler questions or do you ever talk to people who disagree with you?

00:12:46.940 Greta, who was filming your arrest in Germany? Because it looked like you did that in several

00:12:51.580 takes, didn't you? You were posing with the police.

00:12:54.460 He's answering for you. He's answering for you. He said you had an agency.

00:13:04.140 Oh, sometimes I wish I had one. It would be much simpler then.

00:13:07.820 Well, who was filming you then?

00:13:09.660 I don't know media.

00:13:11.660 You don't know who was filming you in Germany?

00:13:13.660 He said he knows. He says it was an agency.

00:13:16.620 A news agency, you idiot. 1.00

00:13:18.460 Do you normally have reporters defending you? 1.00

00:13:25.980 Yeah. It's very likely that the German police and RWE Fossilfield Company would stage an arrest.

00:13:33.900 How many times were you arrested? Because you posed for several times, didn't you?

00:13:41.580 Sure.

00:13:42.300 What is your main message to the people who are at the World Economic Forum?

00:13:45.820 What message do you want to portray whilst you're here?

00:13:50.060 Well, of course, it depends on who you are. Some people are more

00:13:53.260 responsible for this crisis than others, certainly. Careful, because here there are cars.

00:13:58.460 How come you never protest Saudi Arabia or Russia? You only protest Western energy. 0.55

00:14:04.460 Why have you never criticized Vladimir Putin or OPEC?

00:14:09.020 Yeah, I've never done that. Never, ever.

00:14:10.940 Will you do so now? Will you condemn OPEC energy?

00:14:18.860 Greta, can you condemn every single delegate that's come here on a private jet? 0.96

00:14:22.620 Surely that's something you should condemn.

00:14:26.540 You can do it too.

00:14:28.540 You know, I could do it, but you're the one who really,

00:14:31.260 who has such a strong stance against climate change. And, you know, if it's true, I commend your

00:14:36.860 efforts. But could you condemn them taking private jets to these meetings?

00:14:43.900 Why won't you condemn private jets? Have you ever been on a private jet even once?

00:14:48.300 I own 100 private jets.

00:14:50.380 Well, have you been on how about once? Have you ever been on a private jet?

00:14:54.780 All the time. Yes.

00:14:56.300 I wonder why you won't answer me in a straight answer.

00:15:00.620 Greta, do you have any meetings with any people who are here, any politicians, any high business

00:15:06.140 people as you're here? Depends on how you define that.

00:15:12.140 Well, can you tell us who you're having talks to?

00:15:14.140 No.

00:15:16.700 Why are you having secret meetings?

00:15:19.980 Greta, do you think that in Davos, the big companies here are really interesting by climate change?

00:15:27.580 Well, I guess all we have to do is see what they do.

00:15:31.420 Let's get back to those private meetings. Why are you having private meetings?

00:15:35.820 Secret meetings. Who are they having secret meetings with?

00:15:38.940 Can you let other people ask questions?

00:15:40.940 Yes, please. You believe them?

00:15:44.140 It's free speech, isn't it?

00:15:45.100 It is, but come on.

00:15:54.060 What are you... Hey, what are you doing?

00:16:00.780 When it comes to solving things like climate change and heading in a different direction,

00:16:03.900 do you agree with criminal damage caused by groups such as Just Oil

00:16:08.140 in order to get the climate message across? Do you think it is justified?

00:16:11.180 Are they called Just Oil? That would not be a very good name for...

00:16:14.940 Sorry, Just Stop Oil.

00:16:16.140 Greta, this is your opportunity right here. You don't seem to be taking it very seriously.

00:16:19.020 Sorry. Sorry?

00:16:20.540 This is your opportunity to stop and tell us what you care about and what you're fighting against.

00:16:23.980 You seem to be joining the establishment, not fighting them anymore.

00:16:26.300 Are you not one of them?

00:16:30.940 One of who?

00:16:32.540 What, the people on the private jets and the helicopters flying in here to tell us how to live our lives?

00:16:36.220 Yes, because I have many private jets of my own, yes.

00:16:39.100 It's okay. I want to move here.

00:16:42.860 The point being, you have to condemn all of them equally, otherwise it's hypocrisy, right?

00:16:53.020 I don't see how that's funny.

00:16:53.980 I don't take anything seriously. I laugh all the time, so don't take it personally.

00:17:00.860 Greta, where did you learn everything you know about things like climate change? Where did you learn all that?

00:17:06.300 Yeah, that's a good question. I wish I knew.

00:17:09.900 If you wish you knew, how do you know so much? Surely if you know so much, you would know where you learned all this from, surely?

00:17:15.180 Who has said that I know so much?

00:17:16.940 Well, because you are deemed as an expert worldwide when it comes to climate change. You speak on

00:17:22.620 on global stages when it comes to climate change, and ultimately some of the things you say lead global policy.

00:17:31.900 If that was the case, then the world would look completely different, I assure you.

00:17:36.060 What would you like to do to make the world look completely different?

00:17:40.140 That's a fair question, surely?

00:17:41.180 First, I would like to eat lunch, maybe.

00:17:44.060 Are you going to be eating bugs to save the planet for this lunch?

00:17:46.940 I think I'm going to take.

00:17:52.620 I'll see.

00:17:53.980 Greta, do you make an opportunity to listen to different voices and opinions that differ from your own?

00:17:59.100 Do you try and take challenge on board when it comes to climate?

00:18:03.660 Sure.

00:18:05.020 If you want to end fossil fuels, how did you get to Davos today?

00:18:09.420 I came yesterday, I didn't come today.

00:18:11.420 How did you travel here?

00:18:13.740 Several trains.

00:18:14.460 Well, trains or planes?

00:18:18.620 I took a private jet, of course.

00:18:20.140 Took a private jet.

00:18:21.020 Yes.

00:18:23.260 I mean, you laugh about this, but surely if it's such a big issue, it's surely no laughing matter.

00:18:28.700 I mean, this is an opportunity for you to try and get people who don't agree with your message,

00:18:32.940 to try and see it from your side of the view and to maybe change their ways, surely?

00:18:38.620 Yeah, I wish I could tell that to myself sometimes to take things more seriously, but you know,

00:18:44.060 I'm just a young person. I tend to laugh at most things.

00:18:49.500 Do you regret encouraging young people to miss school?

00:18:54.860 No.

00:18:57.500 Does anyone have any idea where we are?

00:18:58.940 No.

00:18:59.580 No.

00:18:59.660 I don't know where we are.

00:19:02.140 Tell us where you want to go.

00:19:03.260 And after the time, you're at the Swiss side.

00:19:05.500 Yes, that's okay.

00:19:11.340 Who operates your Twitter account for you?

00:19:13.580 Who operates your Twitter account?

00:19:15.260 Oh, that's me. That's why I'm so bad.

00:19:17.900 Are you the only one who does it, or do other people help you?

00:19:21.180 Unfortunately, I'm the only one.

00:19:22.460 So no one else works?

00:19:23.420 It's so bad.

00:19:25.580 And all your social media, do you write it, or does a PR agency write it?

00:19:31.180 It would be much easier if I had a PR agency that would write everything, to be honest.

00:19:36.700 I think you laugh when you're nervous, is that right?

00:19:40.140 Then I would be nervous all the time.

00:19:41.260 Greta, how do you deal with all of this?

00:19:45.420 All people caring about what you have to say, listening to what you have to say.

00:19:50.060 A pretty big voice.

00:19:52.380 How do you deal with all of that pressure?

00:19:57.020 I don't know. It's a bit weird that people seem to care what I think about things so much.

00:20:00.460 But you love it, don't you? You always put yourself out in the public.

00:20:04.060 So you're not a private person. You love it. You're a celebrity.

00:20:06.620 Are you a celebrity? Or a child actor? How would you describe yourself?

00:20:16.540 Who do you count as your chief advisors?

00:20:18.140 It's quite something that the media are answering the questions for you. That's amazing.

00:20:32.140 We're just joking. We're asking the same questions again and again.

00:20:34.220 You're asking the same questions and we get bored. You know?

00:20:36.860 Yeah.

00:20:38.220 Not only me, I guess.

00:20:40.060 Greta, who would you say is the biggest threat to climate change, whether that's one person,

00:20:45.900 an organisation or a country?

00:20:47.580 Me.

00:20:48.300 And why would you say you're the biggest threat to climate change?

00:20:52.540 Well, to the world going in a disastrous trajectory towards the world being damaged through climate

00:20:58.380 change, who do you think is the worst culprit?

00:21:00.220 Me.

00:21:01.180 Why you?

00:21:04.300 Is it your hundreds of private jets?

00:21:05.900 Yes.

00:21:06.220 Where do you stand on China and their climate carbon footprint?

00:21:10.380 Yeah, as a climate activist, of course, you love when people emit carbon dioxide.

00:21:16.940 Yeah, that's really our thing.

00:21:18.940 I mean, Greta, you're not taking this very seriously. This seems to be a big issue to you,

00:21:22.300 unless it's just simply a job, in which case lying in your pockets with lots of money.

00:21:26.940 Surely you'd want to actually have an adult opinion on the likes of China, surely? 0.95

00:21:33.420 I have opinions about lots of things, yes.

00:21:36.540 Could you share your opinion on China with us?

00:21:41.180 Obviously, I love it when people emit carbon dioxide.

00:21:44.700 Every time a Western government implements a net zero policy,

00:21:47.180 it's common folk that are suffering, especially in a cost of living crisis.

00:21:50.780 Do you have anything to say on that?

00:21:52.940 Yeah, it's horrible that people are being affected by

00:21:56.300 by different things, like example, the climate crisis and so on.

00:21:58.860 People are being displaced and losing their lives. It's horrible.

00:22:02.460 But they can't afford to eat or heat their homes

00:22:06.780 because of the net zero policies.

00:22:08.060 Yeah, that's definitely why we are experiencing the cost of living crisis.

00:22:13.660 Yes.

00:22:13.980 I agree. Thank you.

00:22:18.620 You've been here before.

00:22:19.820 You've had a big speech that made a proper impact.

00:22:22.300 Do you think it did anything?

00:22:24.140 Did anything change?

00:22:27.820 Well, we can only see where we are now.

00:22:30.220 The global emissions of the country are still increasing.

00:22:34.620 But we are a movement that is growing.

00:22:39.900 We are a movement, yes.

00:22:41.020 Of course.

00:22:44.300 But is the movement not turning people off away from your cause?

00:22:48.620 Is the movement not turning people away from your cause?

00:22:51.820 The tactics that are being employed?

00:23:02.060 Do you agree with all the radical tactics people are taking in in your name?

00:23:04.780 I think the only one taking action in my name is me, I hope.

00:23:11.660 But you are the leader of this movement?

00:23:14.060 I hope not.

00:23:17.260 Therefore, would you condemn people taking radical action and prefer democracy instead?

00:23:21.420 Sorry?

00:23:22.380 Would you encourage people to take democratic action rather than radical action?

00:23:26.620 The protest is to take democratic action.

00:23:29.260 Greta, can you condemn everyone who has caused criminal damage in terms of

00:23:34.380 to try and get the point across to fight climate change?

00:23:40.700 Russia and China are building more coal-fired power stations.

00:23:45.260 Why should those of us in the West suffer because of net zero when they are not doing their part?

00:23:52.380 Russia and China are building more coal-fired power stations.

00:23:53.820 Greta, you once stood on a stage and said,

00:23:56.700 how dare you passionately and emotionally because people weren't doing it?

00:24:01.500 For now, you don't seem to be taking it seriously.

00:24:03.340 Why the sudden change?

00:24:05.980 I don't know.

00:24:08.860 If you could say one thing to people who oppose you to convince them,

00:24:11.660 what would that be?

00:24:14.460 Sorry, where?

00:24:15.420 If you could say one thing to people who oppose you to convince them of your argument,

00:24:18.060 what would it be?

00:24:22.380 Get people outside.

00:24:25.100 I wouldn't say anything.

00:24:29.100 But surely if you cared about climate change that much,

00:24:31.660 you would surely say something to try and get them to

00:24:33.900 want to do something else about the way we are going in terms of climate change.

00:24:37.580 Thank you.

00:24:45.340 This has been a pleasure.

00:24:46.780 We're going to leave now.

00:24:47.740 We would appreciate if you didn't follow.

00:24:51.180 Thanks, Greta.

00:24:52.060 Thank you.

00:24:52.460 Well, there you have it.

00:24:54.220 Greta Thunberg walking and talking for quite a while with several rebel news journalists

00:25:00.220 and several mainstream media journalists who sometimes even answered questions for her.

00:25:05.740 They knew the script so well.

00:25:06.940 I think the thing I was struck by, and come here.

00:25:14.220 There's a journalist saying, we were just correcting you, dude.

00:25:17.020 That tells you about the kind of media that are normally covering Davos.

00:25:21.500 They're narrative enforcers.

00:25:23.820 They're conformists, and they don't ask skeptical questions.

00:25:27.500 But in the case of Greta Thunberg, what was so striking was, as my colleague Callum

00:25:32.780 Smiles pointed out, this is the young woman who stood at the United Nations and said,

00:25:37.420 how dare you?

00:25:38.860 And mustered her fury.

00:25:41.500 But when she was asked question after question, and I mean legitimate good faith questions,

00:25:46.140 she giggled, she laughed, and in some cases, she said absurd things like,

00:25:50.780 I have a hundred private jets, or I like coal.

00:25:55.340 And none of it made sense to me, other than my realization of who she is, where she's from,

00:26:00.940 what her parents are like, and that she really is a child actor.

00:26:05.100 I think we just learned everything there was to learn about Greta.

00:26:11.660 And I'm so glad we caught it, because we were waiting about two hours in the bloody cold for that.

00:26:17.500 So thank you, Callum.

00:26:19.180 Thanks to our hardy cameramen who are freezing.

00:26:23.180 Benji, great work.

00:26:24.380 Thank you very much, Ed, for being right on the spot.

00:26:26.700 And what a pleasure to have Calvin with us to bring another point of view.

00:26:31.100 Calvin, a very thoughtful presenter at GB News.

00:26:36.060 What a pleasure to have him here.

00:26:37.500 Another very interesting day here at Davos.

00:26:40.780 And it pays off to wait for these VVIPs.

00:26:45.100 Last point, you'll remember there was an enormous crowd out front.

00:26:49.180 There was probably 50 people at the height.

00:26:51.500 And Greta was simply taking her time to come out. 1.00

00:26:53.660 I have not seen 50 people muster for John Kerry, the former Secretary of State.

00:27:01.500 I have not seen 50 people muster for Tony Blair, the former British PM.

00:27:07.100 Greta is their prophet, and she has been insulated from scrutiny.

00:27:11.980 Well, we're called Rebel News for a reason, because we ask questions that other people don't like.

00:27:16.060 Callum, congratulations.

00:27:17.420 Calvin and the rest of our team, another great day at Davos.

00:27:21.660 To see all our footage from all our different interviews and all our different scrums,

00:27:26.380 go to wefreports.com.

00:27:29.580 If you think this kind of journalism that you've just watched is unique and valuable,

00:27:34.060 and I think it is, please chip in a little bit to our crowdfunding.

00:27:37.500 We brought a crew of seven people with us from Australia, Canada, and the UK.

00:27:43.020 We flew economy class all the way, but if you can help us cover those costs, you can do that

00:27:47.500 at wefreports.com.

00:27:49.500 Thanks very much.

00:27:50.460 And we've still got two days of action, so keep coming back.

00:28:00.780 Ezra Levant here for Rebel News.

00:28:02.860 On our first day in Davos, I was sitting with our team in a cafeteria of a supermarket,

00:28:09.340 which we've been using as our remote office.

00:28:11.980 And a young lady approached Avi Yamini out of the blue, saying she was inspired by

00:28:17.340 Avi's journalism last year, so now she's become a citizen journalist this year.

00:28:22.700 Her name is Masako, and she joins me now.

00:28:25.420 Great to see you.

00:28:26.300 Thanks very much for coming on my show.

00:28:28.300 I'm so honored to meet you and your team.

00:28:30.620 Well, you're very kind, and you've been very flattering.

00:28:33.260 I was blown away when you came over to Avi and said that he inspired you.

00:28:37.660 I mean, a lot of people watch Avi's videos.

00:28:39.900 He's very entertaining, and he has a very strong point of view.

00:28:43.340 But for you to actually fly all the way from Japan to Switzerland, that's a very long way.

00:28:49.340 And you brought your camera gear, and you've been doing real journalism.

00:28:53.260 That's an incredible transformation from a viewer to a journalist, isn't it?

00:28:57.900 Yes, because you spread the courage.

00:29:01.580 And I wanted to wake Japanese people up, and then I wanted to create this big circle.

00:29:08.860 So I thought, why don't I go there?

00:29:10.860 And I came.

00:29:11.500 Well, that's such a wonderful story.

00:29:14.700 I find that so heartwarming, and you're so lovely as a person.

00:29:19.340 So as soon as you introduced yourself, I started following you on Twitter.

00:29:24.620 And you have quite a large Twitter following.

00:29:26.620 Now, I don't understand everything in Japanese, although Twitter can translate it.

00:29:30.620 But I started watching your journalism.

00:29:33.020 And let me just show some of our viewers.

00:29:34.780 Here's a story you did talking to one of the VIP drivers that they only chauffeur the VIPs around

00:29:43.660 in regular gas-powered cars, not in electric cars.

00:29:47.260 Here, let's take a quick look at that.

00:29:48.540 What kind of people do you drive for?

00:29:52.860 I cannot say.

00:29:53.500 Ah, okay, okay, I understand.

00:29:55.180 VIP too.

00:29:56.460 I saw Uber cars.

00:29:58.380 Yes.

00:29:58.700 On the side, it says 100 electricity.

00:30:03.500 That's right.

00:30:04.060 Yes.

00:30:04.540 All Tesla and all electricity, because here they need, they need without, you know, gas or without

00:30:13.740 petrol.

00:30:14.220 Only electricity to drive here with Uber.

00:30:17.020 Yes, I know that.

00:30:18.380 What about your car?

00:30:20.620 My car is normal, because for VIP, I cannot drive electricity out.

00:30:24.460 Ah, electricity cars.

00:30:26.140 For example, Tesla, sometimes it's like an accident or the, if there is no electricity.

00:30:31.020 It's very dangerous because I locked out if you have some problem over the brand out.

00:30:36.460 That's a big problem with the Tesla.

00:30:38.060 But now almost all they are from Tesla here.

00:30:40.700 Well, Masako, I thought that was a very interesting video.

00:30:43.900 And you know what, what it said, the fact that you weren't just interested in talking to the

00:30:49.740 big shots and the VIPs, that you wanted to hear from ordinary working people too.

00:30:54.460 See, Davos is about the elites and the billionaires and the oligarchs, but the fact that you took the time to talk to one of the many people, you know, almost like a servant or an employee.

00:31:07.500 I was impressed by that and you made some real news.

00:31:10.460 That was very interesting.

00:31:11.660 Oh, thank you very much.

00:31:14.220 I realized, I started to realize like what local people think about this event.

00:31:19.900 And actually I found a house with a sign saying that, wow, this looks like corruption.

00:31:28.140 This is what corruption looks like.

00:31:30.460 It's a house located on third floor and it's got a sign in English.

00:31:35.500 So, oh, maybe local people have a different opinion.

00:31:39.180 So I decided to approach many people and then I bumped into a driver.

00:31:45.580 You know, just the very fact that you chose that story sets you apart from the New York

00:31:50.860 Times and the Washington Post who are only here to massage powerful people. 0.95

00:31:55.900 So you talk to ordinary people, which is amazing, but you actually managed to find the elusive boss

00:32:03.180 of the World Economic Forum, Klaus Schwab, who I don't think he walks on these streets like a mere mortal.

00:32:11.260 You got him outside his hotel going to dinner.

00:32:15.420 And I want to play this video for our viewers because it is so telling here.

00:32:19.980 Take a look at Masako who found Klaus Schwab.

00:32:22.940 That's amazing.

00:32:24.380 Put a question to him and then got him to make an incredible statement.

00:32:28.540 Take a look at this.

00:32:33.100 Chairman Schwab, Chairman Schwab, I'm from Japan.

00:32:36.460 May I ask you for...

00:32:38.220 I'm from Japan.

00:32:39.340 Yeah.

00:32:39.820 And may I ask you for a comment?

00:32:42.140 No, we're on our way to the next thing.

00:32:44.140 We're a bit late.

00:32:44.860 Oh, I can just walk with you and ask questions.

00:32:47.260 I think we're going to rush.

00:32:49.100 But thank you.

00:32:49.900 Thanks very much.

00:32:52.140 Which media are you with?

00:32:54.300 I am an independent journalist from Japan.

00:32:56.620 No, thank you very much.

00:32:58.140 I have to ask.

00:32:59.100 Thank you.

00:32:59.660 Thank you.

00:33:06.380 But I wanted to ask just one more question.

00:33:11.020 Masako, he would not answer a substantive question.

00:33:15.420 But the way he dismissed you when you said you were independent,

00:33:19.180 he sort of laughed and immediately turned his back on you, showed his contempt for ordinary

00:33:25.900 people, his contempt for journalists who might ask him a question he's not prepared for.

00:33:32.620 And that basically, he views the world as friends and enemies.

00:33:36.780 Friends are people who pay him to be here.

00:33:39.900 Enemies are anyone else.

00:33:41.900 That's what I took away from your video.

00:33:43.900 So although you didn't actually get to put a question to him, he gave you a stunning answer.

00:33:49.260 That's what I thought.

00:33:51.580 Yes.

00:33:52.620 I was waiting outside of a hotel with Japan Night, an event that one of the popular events

00:33:59.100 during this Davos conference was held.

00:34:01.340 And so I was standing outside for three hours and I finally found him, encountered him.

00:34:07.580 And one thing I learned the most from this encounter is that I could feel he is aware of our resistance.

00:34:18.620 Yes.

00:34:19.580 And the way he turned and then he was like hurrying up to his car.

00:34:25.100 And he, I think he shut his ears and shut his mouth.

00:34:29.500 And I felt like he wanted to go to his world from the real world.

00:34:36.620 His world where he can keep out people like you and me.

00:34:39.420 Yes, that's what I felt.

00:34:41.740 So actually it was encouraging me for this experience because our voices,

00:34:48.060 like our things that we can do on our daily basis, it's influencing them.

00:34:55.420 It's impact.

00:34:56.380 So although they look big, our fighting back actually means a lot.

00:35:05.180 I tell you, your answers have been so inspirational.

00:35:08.700 I'm so happy you're here.

00:35:10.220 I'm delighted to follow you on Twitter.

00:35:12.940 And we'll put on, on, on this website where people can follow you.

00:35:17.260 And I would encourage everyone to follow Masako.

00:35:19.820 And if the tweet is in Japanese, you can just click the button that says translate.

00:35:24.380 So you can get the English translation, but you also retweet other things in English.

00:35:28.700 And there is your original journalism on there.

00:35:31.820 It's only been a couple of days, but I already feel like Masako is a friend and an ally.

00:35:35.740 Don't you?

00:35:36.780 What a pleasure.

00:35:37.660 Thank you for your kind words of support.

00:35:40.380 And most importantly, thank you for showing courage and by leaning by example.

00:35:46.540 I've really enjoyed getting to know you.

00:35:48.460 Nice to meet you and safe journey home.

00:35:50.220 Thank you very much.

00:35:51.580 And I appreciate your great work.

00:35:54.380 Well, there it is, another citizen journalist from all the way across the world.

00:36:07.100 Bye.

00:36:08.100 Bye-bye.

00:36:10.340 Time for all.

00:36:18.100 Thanks.

00:36:18.980 You?

00:36:19.980 Hi.

00:36:20.660 Traveling Home commission calls and staunched to ERP.

00:36:22.660 Better opportunity calls.

00:36:24.260 You?

00:36:25.540 That's a good or weird job from all the way across the world.

00:36:26.040 benefits of these.

00:36:27.860 You?

00:36:28.780 Welcome to 봐요.

00:36:29.480 You?

00:36:29.920 Have a great work.

00:36:31.260 I'm honored to be able to Meineke.

00:36:32.320 Thanks to God.

00:36:32.520 Let me be grateful for you.

00:36:33.800 Thanks to God for our family.

Rebel News Podcast - January 21, 2023

EZRA LEVANT： Inside our walking 'interview' with Greta Thunberg at the World Economic Forum

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