Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ INTERVIEW： Dr. James Lindsay was deplatformed for calling out child grooming

00:00:00.120 Hello, my rebels. Very challenging conversation today, a feature-length interview with Dr. James

00:00:05.040 Lindsay, talking about sexual education in school. Sex ed is not like when you and I went to school. 0.73

00:00:13.320 It's very different now. It's sexualizing children of tender years, and not just to give them basic

00:00:18.000 facts about the deed, but rather an ideology that promotes them rejecting their gender and

00:00:25.800 becoming non-binary and then going all the way and perhaps taking pharmaceuticals and even engaging

00:00:33.020 in surgery. It's a terrifying thing. We'll talk to Dr. James Lindsay about it and find out what he has

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00:01:15.880 Tonight's another feature interview with Dr. James Lindsay. Are our schools being used to sexually

00:01:36.660 groom children? That's ahead on the Estrella Vance Show. 1.00

00:01:43.920 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:55.900 If you come from a sheltered, protected country like we do, Canada, and a sheltered and protected 0.93

00:02:02.280 place like I suppose I did growing up, the word grooming, well, it's how you brush your teeth and

00:02:09.360 shave. That's called grooming. Do you have a good haircut? It's maybe what you groom a horse. That's

00:02:14.580 what I would think of. But it was only when I started visiting the United Kingdom a few years ago and

00:02:19.800 started following Tommy Robinson and his battles that I heard of something called grooming gangs.

00:02:26.280 And when I found out what they really were, I thought that was a very inappropriate title for

00:02:31.060 them. Grooming, of course, was a euphemism for raping. As you know, and I'm sorry to talk about 0.95

00:02:39.820 such heavy things, these young girls as young as 11 would be entrapped by these elderly men. And 0.56

00:02:46.580 elderly, I mean, 40, 50, 60 years old. Oh, would you like a candy? Would you like a drink of alcohol?

00:02:52.740 Would you like a cigarette? Would you like a ride in my Mercedes Benz? And they would be asked in

00:02:58.480 return to maybe lift up their shirt for the man who would take a photo and say, now I've got you. 0.99

00:03:04.240 I'm going to extort you and exploit you if you don't have sex with me and my friends. I'm going to shame 1.00

00:03:10.020 you to the community, to your parents. I'm going to show them the picture I just took of you.

00:03:13.760 And these girls would be entrapped and alcohol and drugs would be used. And they were raped again 1.00

00:03:19.220 and again every night by a variety of men over the course of years. This is such a shocking thing

00:03:25.920 for those of us who grew up in happy places like we did here in Canada.

00:03:30.920 The city of Rotherham, UK, population quarter million, more than 1,400 girls were the victims

00:03:39.480 of these grooming gangs. Again, I call them rape gangs because grooming doesn't say what it was,

00:03:44.080 what really was done to them. Grooming refers to the fact that they were tricked and trapped and

00:03:47.920 enticed and then entangled and then exploited. Majid Nawaz said that reluctance to talk about it

00:03:56.680 is one of the biggest problems. Here's Majid Nawaz a few years ago on his program

00:04:02.060 on the radio station LBC. For too long in this country, we, media, the establishment, society,

00:04:12.060 the chattering classes, the liberal elite, whatever term you want to use, have ignored the issue of

00:04:17.860 grooming gangs of young, vulnerable teenage girls who have been victimised, drugged and raped and

00:04:24.400 abused. Whether it's the Rotherham case or all the other cases that were replicated across the country,

00:04:30.420 it is both the conclusion of the prosecutor in the Rotherham case, British, Pakistani, Muslim,

00:04:36.620 or indeed the official inquiry into why it took so long for these young, vulnerable, underage girls

00:04:43.160 to get justice. Both of those concluded that fears of racism prevented us from coming to the defence

00:04:50.820 of vulnerable, underage girls. Fears of racism meaning that the state was scared that it would

00:04:58.100 be accused of being racist if it rightly arrested and prosecuted British, Pakistani largely, British,

00:05:05.160 Pakistani, Muslim men in their abuse of underage white teenage girls. And so from fear of appearing

00:05:15.520 racist, there was a silence across the country as multiple cases of grooming gangs emerged up and down

00:05:24.200 the country. Well, he's right, of course. And if you look at the official inquiry in Rotherham,

00:05:28.440 again and again, police and others were afraid to blow the whistle for fear of being called racist.

00:05:35.380 And as Majid says, more than 80 percent of these grooming gangs were Pakistani British men, which

00:05:41.300 made it very difficult to talk about. Does that only happen over there? Or are there grooming gangs in

00:05:48.500 North America too? Well, anyone who followed the Weinstein story of the producer in Hollywood knows that

00:05:56.280 women and even girls are abused for their sexuality by powerful men. And of course, there's the case of

00:06:04.960 Jeffrey Epstein, who ran a child trafficking ring for years, even decades. He mysteriously died. They

00:06:13.100 called it suicide in his jail cell. And his right-hand woman is in jail right now. But funny enough, not a

00:06:20.320 single one of their clients has been exposed. The only one we know about for Sherm is Bill Gates. And we

00:06:27.940 know it because his wife divorced him over it. Here's Melinda Gates on the subject.

00:06:32.720 It was also widely reported that Bill had a friendship or business or some kind of contact with Jeffrey

00:06:38.940 Epstein and that you were not, that that was very upsetting to you. Did that play a role in the

00:06:43.900 divorce at all in this process? Yeah, as I said, it's not one thing. It was many things. But I did not

00:06:51.740 like that he'd had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein. No. Mm hmm. And you made that clear to him. I made

00:06:58.800 that clear to him. I also met Jeffrey Epstein exactly one time. Did you? Yes, because I wanted to see who

00:07:05.320 this man was. And I regretted it from the second I stepped in the door. He was abhorrent. He was

00:07:13.680 evil, personified. I had nightmares about it afterwards. So, you know, my heart breaks for

00:07:19.940 these young women because that's how I felt. And here I'm an older woman. My God, I feel terrible

00:07:25.160 for those young women. It's awful. You felt that the moment you walked in. I didn't realize it. He was awful.

00:07:29.360 Yeah. And you shared that with Bill and he still continued to spend time with him?

00:07:33.820 Any of the questions remaining about what Bill's relationship there was, those are for Bill to

00:07:39.920 answer. Okay. But I made it very clear how I felt about him. Well, why can't we talk about those

00:07:45.340 things? Why aren't journalists talking about what is an enormous story, the predation of our children

00:07:51.140 by powerful people, usually very powerful men in the case of Weinstein and Epstein? Well,

00:07:57.040 here's a reporter at ABC News caught in a hot mic moment. You'll remember this video

00:08:01.440 where she said she had the story, but ABC nixed it. Remember this?

00:08:06.440 I've had the story for three years. I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts.

00:08:09.820 We would not put it on the air. First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein? No one knows who

00:08:14.220 that is. This is a stupid story. Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about 1.00

00:08:20.920 Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways. We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to

00:08:26.980 interview Kate and Will. That also quashed the story. And then Alan Dershowitz was also implicated

00:08:36.020 in it because of the planes. She told me everything. She had pictures. She had everything. She was in

00:08:41.000 hiding for 12 years. We convinced her to come out. We convinced her to talk to us. It was unbelievable

00:08:46.460 what we had Clinton. We had everything. I tried for three years to get it on to no avail. And now

00:08:54.580 it's all coming out. And it's like these new revelations. And I freaking had all of it. I'm so

00:09:00.880 pissed right now. Like every day I get more and more pissed because I'm just like, oh my God, we,

00:09:06.420 it was, what we had was unreal. Other women backing it up. Hey, yep. Brad Edwards, the attorney,

00:09:14.580 three years ago saying like, aunt, like we, there will come a day where we will realize Jeffrey

00:09:19.480 Epstein was the most prolific pedophile this country has ever known. I had it all three years

00:09:24.460 ago. I show you all these things because our next guest who will be our feature interview for today

00:09:29.560 has been talking about grooming in the United States and in Canada to a lesser extent.

00:09:36.520 Grooming not done in secret, like the rape rooms of Rotherham, not done in secret, like on Jeffrey

00:09:44.940 Epstein's Island, but out in the open, in our schools, on TikTok and other youthful Twitter

00:09:53.380 accounts and social media platforms. Grooming not being done in secret, but explicitly.

00:10:00.560 And for talking about that, for using that phrase grooming, he was censored and deplatformed.

00:10:07.720 I'll introduce the man to explain what happened himself. His name is Dr. James Lindsay. You'll

00:10:12.580 recall we've had him on the show before. He's the boss of new discourses.com and he joins us now via

00:10:19.680 Skype from Knoxville, Tennessee. Dr. Lindsay, what a pleasure to have you back on the show. I hope you

00:10:24.580 don't mind my lengthy introduction. The idea of grooming, of slowly breaking down children,

00:10:31.500 entrapping them, entangling them. It's shocking whenever we see it, but we always think it's a

00:10:36.900 faraway thing could never happen here. It actually is happening right here, isn't it? Right under our

00:10:41.200 noses. Yeah, very unfortunately. And like you said, through the schools. And so what we are seeing,

00:10:47.600 just to tie into the connotation of grooming that we were just discussing, is we're seeing story

00:10:54.240 after story after story now of sexual abuse occurring in schools, sometimes with hundreds

00:10:59.280 of victims coming across many different states. And I don't think that this is wholly surprising.

00:11:06.080 This isn't quite what I got kicked off of Twitter for. I was using, as you started out by saying,

00:11:10.900 you know, grooming your beard or grooming your hair or grooming a horse. There are other meanings of

00:11:16.040 the word grooming. We used to say, for example, that maybe, you know, your favorite politician,

00:11:20.880 whoever it might be, maybe Mitch McConnell or somebody has groomed the successor, has kind of

00:11:25.860 brought them into the fold, the way of thinking, the mentality that, you know, he had put forth before

00:11:31.020 he retires or whatever it might be. And so there's this idea of professional grooming, and there's an

00:11:36.080 idea actually of cult grooming. You don't merely, you know, entice perhaps a young person or a vulnerable

00:11:43.460 person for sexual exploits. You can also entice them to join a cult. And this is something that

00:11:51.400 has been going on, obviously, for a very long time, probably as long as there have been people.

00:11:56.200 And it's been a rampant problem in the United States. We've had the Scientology cult exposed.

00:12:01.240 We know that it and other cults prey upon vulnerable people who have recently moved. So they've

00:12:06.700 offended their lives. But what we have going on in the schools is this kind of weird tandem

00:12:12.240 problem where you have a cult of belief about the organization of society, the social constructiveness

00:12:20.660 of society, about sex and gender and sexuality in those regards, in particular, being taught as

00:12:28.920 though it is some form of, as they call it, comprehensive sexuality education, that, you know,

00:12:33.760 maybe if you don't feel like a boy, even though you are a boy, then maybe you are secretly a girl.

00:12:39.960 And then kind of this whole process begins. You induce this vulnerability and pull these kids

00:12:45.580 into these afterschool clubs. And they were socially transitioning kids at school while hiding from

00:12:51.280 their parents the fact that they've changed their name, changed their pronouns, or maybe even depending

00:12:55.480 on the school system, are beginning to take pharmaceuticals that maybe block their puberty, maybe their

00:13:01.300 antidepressants, or psychoactive drugs, maybe they eventually can include cross-sex hormones.

00:13:06.800 Then the schools are facilitating this after inducing these ideas into the children's minds. And so now

00:13:12.340 you have this kind of cross-purpose sex, gender, sexuality as a form of identity cult that, of course,

00:13:19.140 opens up vulnerability to predation, you know, kind of physical and sexual predation, which, just to bring

00:13:25.640 it full circle to any other cult, the vast majority of those end up with the cult leader, you know,

00:13:31.320 basically asking for people's wives and daughters for his own entertainment. So this is, this is a

00:13:36.960 absolute catastrophe that's happening out in the open in our schools, through our entertainment,

00:13:42.700 under the guise of creating empathy and acceptance and inclusion for LGBT people. But in fact, that is

00:13:50.920 mutilating the minds and eventually bodies of young people across our countries.

00:13:57.100 You know, you're, you're so right. I mean, even Freud, who's regarded as, by many, as an extremist or

00:14:03.160 even a pervert, even he talked about a period of latency. I mean, children are not sexual. By definition,

00:14:10.280 they're in the age of innocence, an Eden time before the fall. And to inject sexuality at such a young 0.89

00:14:19.300 age. I mean, here in the province of Ontario, they introduce the six genders, I challenge you to name 1.00

00:14:26.180 which you probably know what six they're talking about. And gay isn't a gender, by the way. You tell

00:14:32.300 people that and they say, well, what are the six genders? Like that, they're teaching that. They're 0.85

00:14:35.980 teaching that as young as grade one. Why are you doing that? And it's got nothing to do with being

00:14:42.720 straight or gay. It's about sexualizing young people. Why would you do that? Why would you break 1.00

00:14:48.480 down normal barriers? And I think your cult analogy works. A lot of cults have a sexual purpose for the

00:14:54.800 leader. And you break down norms. For example, monogamy norms. No, the boss of the cult gets to

00:15:02.620 have sex with everyone. Well, what are these other norms that are being broken down by sexualizing 0.97

00:15:07.600 children? I think that is the phrase grooming. You're, you're breaking someone down and reforming

00:15:13.020 them. There can be good grooming. Like you said, Mitch McConnell is grooming his successor. He's

00:15:18.000 teaching them all the ways and he's going to pass the baton to him. And it's, you know, it's improved.

00:15:23.260 It's like a mentor and a protege. But the kind of grooming in a cult and the kind of grooming

00:15:28.560 in, in these sex orientation, hypersexual school classes, it is designed to, to turn the student

00:15:38.220 into an object of sexuality. I believe that. Yeah, there are, there are actually several purposes.

00:15:44.480 And it's, it's very important for people to realize that this is a purposed attempt to transform the

00:15:51.460 views of our children in many regards. And people have been studying, when I say people, I should

00:15:56.540 hesitate to use that particular work because Marxists have been studying for over a century, going back

00:16:03.640 to, for example, Wilhelm Reich, his book about sexual liberation. And then following, you know,

00:16:11.080 George Lukács in the Hungarian revolution, using education to sexualize children in Hungary in

00:16:16.740 1919. And then Herbert Marcuse exploring this idea of tapping back to Freud in the 1950s in his book,

00:16:25.080 Heroes and Civilization. And the power that comes with sexualizing a child, whether predatory purposes or

00:16:32.120 not, is actually, actually outstanding. You can sever that child from a sense of the safe boundaries

00:16:40.740 that you need to develop in a healthy fashion as a child. And so you can, in some sense, if you take

00:16:46.780 the borrow from the Marxist language, you can estrange a child from himself, but you can also

00:16:50.860 estrange him from these anchors. And this is what cults always do, such as family and religion,

00:16:56.600 that, and even the prevailing culture of, say, Canada or the United States, that might anchor

00:17:02.200 them back and keep them from joining the cult. The cult always has the same program. The cult is

00:17:06.960 always to draw people in using their vulnerability, and then to slowly, slowly give them acceptance in

00:17:12.620 the cult and cause distrust and separation from people who might wake them up and keep them out of

00:17:17.520 it. And so the goal is to, you know, these children is to teach them sexual themes, teach them that there

00:17:23.640 are six genders. And when they go home and they tell their parents, I'm a, you know, demigender,

00:17:28.640 whatever made up term that they apply, the parents say, what is that? That's not a thing. Then it's,

00:17:34.040 mom, you don't understand. So you sever from the parents. And then if they say, invoke the Bible,

00:17:39.340 or they invoke, you know, culture, the longstanding Canadian or American culture, well, their kids will

00:17:44.400 say, well, that's obsolete. It's different now. Those are oppressive forms that, you know, that hurt

00:17:49.640 people like me, and you just don't understand, and things are different, and you got brainwashed

00:17:53.860 into a bad world. And so you can actually separate a generation from their parents, from their culture,

00:17:59.300 from their religion, but importantly, from themselves. This is inappropriate relationships,

00:18:03.620 whether sexual or emotional with children, inappropriate boundary setting with children,

00:18:09.360 and the inability to help them navigate the structures and boundaries and categories that

00:18:14.000 they're forming in life in those important developmental phases is how you induce personality disorders.

00:18:19.120 It is how you actually psychologically damage a child to where they can't cope and function

00:18:23.800 normally throughout the rest of their lives. Now, the people that are doing this know this,

00:18:27.680 because those people become moldable, they become activists, they become inconsolable,

00:18:33.000 and they'll constantly demand, you know, more and more being taken care of. If they become

00:18:37.100 narcissists as a result, then we all see what happens when you deal with narcissists. The focus is

00:18:42.100 always on them. So this is a deliberate push. The credation, the sexual credation that can come along

00:18:48.480 with this, I think, is in a sort of very disgusting sense of bonus for some creditors who take advantage

00:18:54.220 of the circumstance. But the ultimate purpose is actually political. And it's been well thought

00:18:58.940 out. And it's been utilized for over 100 years in different Marxist revolutions. As a matter of fact,

00:19:03.600 the Bolsheviks used it in Russia in 1917, and afterwards, and then Lenin had to turn it off,

00:19:09.480 because it was too powerful to destabilize. And then Mao made the same mistake in China.

00:19:13.660 And they had to stop doing it there as well. Because again, it was too powerful. It's too

00:19:18.320 destabilizing. It's too destructive. And the fact that they're doing this whole fog to our children,

00:19:22.740 they're socially transitioning, and they're doing so-called gender affirmative treatment and care

00:19:27.760 at school, and then hide this from your parents, they tell them, don't tell your parents. And in some

00:19:32.340 states like California, they're working diligently to get kids to understand that they can get taken out

00:19:36.600 of the parents' home if the parents aren't affirming. And in fact, California is working on a bill now

00:19:41.120 to make it legal for them to take kids from other states as LGBT sanctuaries. So the kid comes in 0.99

00:19:49.240 and declares themselves a refugee for LGBT reasons, gets to San Francisco or Los Angeles or something.

00:19:55.440 And a caseworker immediately makes some award of the state of California, and some parent in Iowa has

00:19:59.860 now lost their child. And this is extraordinarily alarming, but it's also blatantly cult grooming.

00:20:06.100 But if you call it what it is, because you're calling it what it is, then the big social media

00:20:12.720 platforms will kick you off, because they, for some reason, are very invested in protecting this.

00:20:17.040 And there are, I think, a number of reasons why they might do that. But ultimately, the goal is to

00:20:21.540 disrupt society, to disrupt families, to disrupt and end the faith, to segregate the younger generation 0.98

00:20:27.020 from the older, and to segregate them from even themselves, so they don't know who they are.

00:20:31.700 Hmm. And you yourself have been banned. You had quite a large Twitter following. You were literally

00:20:36.860 banned for using the word grooming to describe this. I want to show, you've said so many interesting

00:20:42.660 things. I want to show some proof points. Here's a video from a hospital basically saying, yeah,

00:20:49.260 we're going to, you just say the word and we're going to get right in. Here's a video, I believe this

00:20:53.940 is from a Boston hospital. Take a look at this.

00:20:56.740 A child will often know that they are transgender from the moment that they have any ability

00:21:01.260 to express themselves. And parents will often tell us this. We have parents who tell us that

00:21:05.940 their kids, they knew from the minute they were born practically. And actions like refusing

00:21:11.160 to get a haircut or standing to urinate, trying to stand to urinate, refusing to stand to urinate,

00:21:17.620 trying on siblings' clothing, playing with the quote opposite gender toys, things like that.

00:21:24.620 There is more and more a group of adolescents that we are seeing that really are coming

00:21:29.340 to the realization that they might be trans or gender diverse a little bit later on in

00:21:32.960 their life. So what we're seeing from them is that they always sort of knew something was

00:21:37.860 maybe off and didn't have the understanding to know that they might be trans or have a different

00:21:42.280 gender identity than the one they had been assigned. So that is a growing population that

00:21:46.560 they are, that we are seeing and that's being recognized as being trans and able to be treated.

00:21:50.820 Gender-affirming hysterectomy is very similar to most hysterectomies that occur. A hysterectomy 0.89

00:21:58.820 itself is the removal of the uterus, the cervix, which is the opening of the uterus, and the

00:22:03.540 fallopian tubes, which are attached to the sides of the uterus. Some gender-affirming hysterectomies

00:22:08.100 will also include the removal of the ovaries, but that's technically a separate procedure called

00:22:12.420 a bilateral oophrectomy. And not every gender-affirming hysterectomy includes that. And people who are

00:22:17.620 getting gender-affirming hysterectomies do not have to have their ovaries removed. 0.68

00:22:21.300 The idea of teachers deliberately doing this and hiding things from parents and even dispensing

00:22:28.820 drugs, this is not a conspiracy theory. A lot of these teachers boast about it. There's an

00:22:35.660 interesting account called Libs of TikTok. It's the, you know, I don't even think liberal is the right

00:22:41.160 word. Progressives who are boasting about what they're doing in schools. I don't know why they boast

00:22:47.120 about it. They think maybe parents aren't watching these TikTok videos, and I suppose in most cases

00:22:50.780 that's true. Here's a sample of some Libs of TikTok talking about, you know, a campaign

00:23:00.480 to sexualize their children and even to hand out pharmaceuticals to block their sexuality. Take a look 0.99

00:23:09.740 at these. We need to talk about what's happening in Texas. The governor is trying to take away vital

00:23:15.780 health care from transgender kids and labeling it as child abuse. Giving gender-affirming care

00:23:23.120 to transgender children is medically necessary and supports their health and well-being.

00:23:29.280 Did you know in many states you can get certain types of health care without your parents being

00:23:33.920 there or ever finding out about it? It's today's Daily Doctor Facts. To figure out if you can get

00:23:40.360 care since rentals, go to your state health department website and find the laws related

00:23:46.200 to teen health, consent, and confidentiality. So with hormones, the mental health piece kind

00:23:53.520 of ties into that because we're able to give you two letters, either for hormones or for surgery,

00:23:57.700 readiness, things like that. And we dealt with that amazing team from UC Identity Diversity Program.

00:24:05.760 So, some of the folks from UC Identity Diversity Program are Great Cervantes, who goes over the 0.95

00:24:13.760 insurance part, Jeff Vu, who's a nurse practitioner, Dr. Hunt, Dr. Lynn Hunt, who's a pediatrician.

00:24:23.600 We have Abigail, Katherine, and Caroline as well, who are med students who have been incredible

00:24:31.600 and teach amazing information about hormones. So the hormone section, we talk about estrogen,

00:24:38.720 we talk about testosterone, we talk about blockers, we talk about stopping puberty for our youth,

00:24:47.440 ways in order to navigate that, what hormones will do, what they won't do, the timeline to think of that nature.

00:24:54.560 I'm a doctor and apparently the state of Texas needs to reconsider what it considers child abuse.

00:25:00.560 Because you know what's abusive? Ignoring the needs of your child when your child is telling you what

00:25:06.560 they need. And engaging in behavior as a parent that could lead them to unalive themselves.

00:25:13.600 Over 80% of trans youth have admitted to having thoughts about unaliving themselves,

00:25:18.960 and over 50% have actually attempted it.

00:25:21.680 In these individuals denying them care that we know is life saving.

00:25:27.440 In my last video I told you how adults are my problem, and I have to get them to take me seriously,

00:25:35.040 which means I have to consistently remind people to take me seriously. I have to set up boundaries.

00:25:40.960 If people do not use the correct pronouns, the correct language, the correct title, the correct name,

00:25:50.400 then sometimes I am forced to remind them to. And if they continue to refuse, and I don't mean by

00:25:58.560 accident, I mean to actively refuse, then I get to a point where I maybe have to cut them out of my life.

00:26:04.720 Kids, their brains are more elastic than that. They get it. They don't care. They're just here for a good time.

00:26:13.120 And the queer ones, they see me. And they saw me before I was ready to be seen. 1.00

00:26:18.480 So I do them a service now. And they call me Mix.

00:26:23.920 I'm like very out at work.

00:26:28.560 I, at least at my teaching job, I'm very out. I wear my pronouns and stuff.

00:26:34.480 And I'm like, I like correct the kids, and the kids have gotten to like correcting each other.

00:26:40.400 And it was like so awesome today. We were, I was in charge of our like active activity.

00:26:47.200 And one of the kids referred to me as a girl. And one of my kids was like,

00:26:55.600 Jamie doesn't have a gender. Jamie's not a girl. 1.00

00:27:00.080 Oh my god. And like, the kid was just like, what do you mean?

00:27:04.000 And she was just like, Jamie doesn't have a gender. Jamie is not a girl. 0.97

00:27:08.240 I like the way that like, the way that has me is so emotional.

00:27:16.400 I think it's madness. But let me just tell you a quick story. I know, I'm sure you know this,

00:27:21.600 Dr. Lindsay, because you know these things. In the Soviet Union, their version of Boy Scouts, 0.64

00:27:26.880 the young pioneers, they wore a little lapel pin, all the kids. And it was of a young boy named Pavel

00:27:33.520 Morozo. Maybe you know the story. He was a Ukrainian boy. I forget how old he was. He was very young.

00:27:39.120 And the story is probably embellished by the Soviets for propaganda reasons, but I'm sure

00:27:44.240 there's a grain of truth under it. Pavel Morozov overheard his parents criticizing Stalin's plans

00:27:50.560 to forcibly collectivize Ukrainian farms in what became known as the Holodomir, the forced famine,

00:27:58.960 the engineered famine. So he overheard his parents speaking ill of Stalin's plans. And because he had

00:28:06.720 been alienated by authorities from his family and taught to love the state instead, he informed on

00:28:14.480 him. He's he he ratted. He told the police about his parents and they arrested them and sent them

00:28:21.040 off to Siberia. And Pavel Morozov was given the title by Lenin, sorry, by Stalin, informant number

00:28:29.120 one. Now, we use the word informant as an insult. He's an informant. Don't trust him. He's a snitch.

00:28:35.200 No, in the Soviet Union, that was the greatest achievement. And so every young pioneer, every boy in Russia,

00:28:43.360 when they would join scouts would wear a little picture of Pavel Morozov in a lapel, like it wouldn't

00:28:50.480 be it wouldn't be a neutral symbol or an outdoorsy symbol or even Lenin. It was Pavel Morozov. The role

00:28:58.640 model for a Soviet boy was someone who would not only alienate their family, but throw their family in 0.99

00:29:08.080 prison because their higher loyalty was to Stalin. And until the end, until 1989, that was what young

00:29:16.560 boys took home from Boy Scouts, young pioneers. Imagine the terror that would put in a family.

00:29:22.640 You say child welfare services taking kids away whose parents say don't, you know, you're not a

00:29:28.800 demigender, whatever. Imagine the terror that the KGB would come and throw you, take your kids away and

00:29:36.640 throw you in Siberia because your kid was told he's being weaponized against you. I thought I, I'm sure

00:29:44.000 some of my viewers have heard me talk about Pavel Morozov before. That was the hero of the Boy Scouts of Russia.

00:29:49.040 Yeah, that's exactly the mentality behind a lot of this, that you can put this pressure on children,

00:29:58.320 whether it's through their racial identity, whether it's through these kind of sexual things,

00:30:02.320 and you can make them feel more and more uncomfortable. This is what Mao Zedong did as 0.58

00:30:05.760 well. It wasn't just Stalin who told this, he created positive and negative identity categories.

00:30:10.960 And if your parents were in a negative identity category, then you were in a negative identity

00:30:14.720 category. And they would mistreat you at school and get favored treatment to the people who turned

00:30:19.520 the parents in or who bullied their parents or who went and desecrated the temple or who destroyed

00:30:25.360 a statue of the, you know, the old culture. And so this is a common tactic within communism.

00:30:31.200 But in order to do that, you have to break the loyalty of the parents first. And what the

00:30:35.520 communists have understood for, again, a century is that there is no tool more powerful for breaking

00:30:40.640 the loyalty to your parents than to tap into the sexuality of children. And now you mentioned

00:30:45.440 that Sigmund Freud, for example, no hero of history, that Sigmund Freud understood that there

00:30:52.240 was a latency period and a period during, you know, an age of innocence and children. And what you'll find,

00:30:57.360 if you look in the literature, the queer theory in education, literature, as I have done,

00:31:02.400 what you'll find is that there is a relentless attack on childhood innocence. In fact, there's an

00:31:07.200 attempt to bring this ideology called queer theory, which is a Marxism, a theory of Marxism that attacks

00:31:13.520 the idea of people being able to be considered normal versus abnormal. And so they've got this

00:31:19.360 entire attempt to bring queer theory to bear on childhood development psychology so that they can 0.95

00:31:24.400 rewrite childhood development psychology in their terms so that we can abolish the innocence of children,

00:31:30.320 so that they can go after children. And when you start to abolish the innocence of children,

00:31:34.640 and you start to introduce sexual conversations with children, not only are you psychologically

00:31:39.440 damaging them, not only are you leading them down the firm's path for many kids to physical damage

00:31:43.840 through pharmaceuticals and through surgical tools, but, or even self-harm, you are also in fact

00:31:52.640 opening them up to the kind of predation that we kind of started the discussion with. It makes it

00:31:57.920 less able for them to determine that Mrs. So-and-so at school said something sexual and that's

00:32:03.600 highly inappropriate and therefore I need to tell my mom. In fact, the mentality now is that the

00:32:09.280 parents are the thing that children have to be protected from and the schools are the thing

00:32:13.360 protecting children from their parents. So I thought I'd bring you an update of the whole

00:32:19.680 gender identity situation and how I'm handling it in my classroom. So the student who originally asked me

00:32:26.880 about pronouns and identifiers and if I had them, I went up to her and I asked what the best way for

00:32:33.920 me to go about this with students was. And they told me that I should take the time and individually

00:32:40.640 asked each student privately to know what their identity was, how I should refer to them, and how I

00:32:48.080 should refer to them around their parents, because that's a different issue.

00:32:50.640 And they're transmitting this mentality through the sexuality, through these other forms of cult

00:32:57.840 grooming and through these other messages. And it's an extraordinarily dangerous and an

00:33:01.680 extraordinarily evil program that I think we need to be far more aware of and far more ready and eager

00:33:07.360 to stop. This isn't about politics. This isn't about left and right. This is about children and

00:33:12.960 protecting children. And as you see, large corporations such as Twitter are actively complicit in the

00:33:19.360 the sexualization of children and protecting the people who are actively engaged in the sexualization

00:33:25.280 of children for these various purposes. You know, Bill Maher, who's got a show on HBO forever,

00:33:35.200 and he's not just liberal, I would call him libertine. There's nothing he doesn't like to do, sex, drugs, 0.90

00:33:41.360 whatever. There's certain things about him that I view are quite principled, actually, in his libertinism.

00:33:49.680 He's a free speech absolutist, which I admire. But at the end of it, maybe it's because he's

00:33:57.760 you know, in his 50s. So maybe he maybe some comments, maybe you can't you can't live that long

00:34:03.360 without having some common sense temper your liberalism. He did a segment the other day where he talked about

00:34:10.800 this transgenderism and he observed that it's not a uniform phenomenon. It is absolutely related to

00:34:21.760 what did a teacher in a certain school say? There are clusters. Is there a particularly

00:34:27.360 aggressive, sophisticated groomer in a particular school, in a particular class, even in a state,

00:34:36.080 let's say? And the fact that it is not a natural phenomenon, but a stimulated one proved to Bill Maher

00:34:43.840 that this whole thing, it's it's not fake. It's just engineered here. Here's a clip of Bill Maher saying

00:34:49.520 this. And I say again, Bill Maher couldn't be more sex friendly, gay friendly, you know, live your life. 0.99

00:34:58.800 But he draws the line at kids. Take a look. Dr. Erica Anderson is a prominent 71 year old clinical psychologist 1.00

00:35:05.600 who is herself transgender and who now says, I think it's gone too far. The L.A. Times summarizes,

00:35:13.040 she's come to believe that some children identifying as trans are falling under the influence of their

00:35:18.080 peers and social media. If you attend a small dinner party of typically very liberal upper income Angelenos,

00:35:26.800 it is not uncommon to hear parents who each have a trans kid having a conversation about that. What are

00:35:32.960 the odds of that happening in Youngstown, Ohio? If this spike in trans children is all natural, 1.00

00:35:40.400 why is it regional? Either Ohio is shaming them or California is creating them. 0.84

00:35:48.080 It's like that day we suddenly all needed bottled water all the time.

00:35:59.440 If we can't admit that in certain enclaves, there is some level of trendiness to the idea

00:36:04.960 of being anything other than straight, then this is not a serious science-based discussion.

00:36:09.760 It's a blow being struck in the culture wars using children as cannon fodder. I don't understand

00:36:16.880 parents who won't let their nine-year-old walk to the corner without a helmet, an EpiPen and a GPS tracker.

00:36:22.880 And God forbid their lips touch dairy, but... 0.97

00:36:36.240 But hormone blockers and genital surgery? Fine.

00:36:41.040 I'm sure the vast majority of parents do not take this lightly, and that it's very hard to know when

00:36:46.960 something is real or just a phase. And I understand being trans is different. It's innate. But kids do

00:36:53.680 also have phases. They're kids. It's all phases. The dinosaur phase, the Hello Kitty phase. One day they

00:37:00.160 want to be an astronaut, the next day you can't get them to leave their room. Gender fluid. Kids are fluid

00:37:05.280 about everything. If kids knew what they wanted to be at age eight, the world would be filled with

00:37:09.360 cowboys and princesses. You know, I think that's going to put him on the... He's no longer a protected

00:37:16.400 person, Bill Maher. I wonder if he'll be canceled or if he still earns too much money. You know,

00:37:23.200 Elon Musk used the phrase mind virus the other day, and I think there's something to it. You know,

00:37:29.440 there's a trite old saying, smiles are contagious. Laughter is contagious. But it's actually true.

00:37:37.360 You know, you see someone smiling, you're more likely to smile. You see someone laughing,

00:37:40.880 you actually want to laugh along. You see someone yawning, you yawn. If someone in your circle commits

00:37:48.800 suicide, now the idea has been implanted in your group, and now it's an acceptable thing to do. And you

00:37:54.400 see suicide clusters. We see that sometimes in Indian reserves in Canada. Depression can be a mind

00:38:02.880 virus. I think that we underestimate how powerful persuasion and peers are. And I think that that's

00:38:12.880 not something that people on the right think about a lot. We're just numbers and, you know, physics and

00:38:18.800 math. We're not feelings and peer pressure and emotion and compliance. But if anything,

00:38:26.560 if we've learned anything from the last two years of lockdowns, it's that the herd mentality and being

00:38:32.320 in the in-group is the most powerful thing in the world. And that's what's going on with this

00:38:37.120 with this grooming. Yeah, you mentioned actually suicide clusters, and that makes me feel like I

00:38:43.040 should point out that, in fact, that level of grooming is happening as well to kind of connect

00:38:47.120 many of the dots that you just put together. In the program that they're calling social and

00:38:51.600 emotional learning, which should raise the hair on the back of everybody's neck,

00:38:56.640 they actually do repeated surveys of children about how they feel about their social and emotional

00:39:00.800 circumstances in life. In fact, it's required by law under the Every Student Succeeds Act in the United

00:39:05.840 States that they survey these children and gather lots of information about them. And one of the questions

00:39:11.360 that they often ask these young kids is, I mean, many times throughout a single school year

00:39:16.640 in surveys, do you think about suicide? How often do you think about suicide? These kinds of things.

00:39:21.440 So you don't want them planting those ideas into these kids' heads who are allegedly at risk kids,

00:39:26.640 because they have to be classified at risk to receive the money that comes in from the federal

00:39:31.280 government through, say, ESSER III funding or the CARES Act, which is misappropriated pandemic money,

00:39:36.720 coming in under the guise of helping them psychologically and socially. Allegedly,

00:39:42.480 they've been injured by the trauma of the pandemic, and therefore you have to intervene this way.

00:39:47.200 But they ask them repeatedly, are you suicidal? Do you feel suicidal? And they say that this is for

00:39:51.840 prevention. But as a matter of fact, it plants the idea. And there's this program that is often

00:39:58.480 tied in with this. The World Economic Forum advertises it as one of its chief ed tech success stories.

00:40:04.080 It's called the Trevor Project. The Trevor Project is supposed to be a suicide prevention hotline

00:40:09.840 that children can use, especially if they're LGBTQ is the point. And it has all kinds of features that

00:40:16.400 enable them to have these ongoing dialogues, which are always gender affirming, that are always,

00:40:22.000 you know, this kind of queer theory affirming grooming behavior. I, in fact, get in trouble for 1.00

00:40:27.200 calling it the groomer project instead of the Trevor Project. And it has features that were at a punch

00:40:32.800 of a button and the child can completely delete the entire chat history so that no parent can ever

00:40:36.880 find it. It has all kinds of this kind of stuff built into it. And it's very suspicious that you

00:40:42.240 have people, again, anonymously talking to children in a very vulnerable state to affirm their feelings

00:40:47.920 about sex, gender and sexuality that they claim that they're having. And then it's built and designed

00:40:53.840 to be able to hide from the parents. And this is a selling point to the children. And on selling points,

00:40:58.960 I'll even add, there's another academic paper that I read recently in a major journal,

00:41:02.720 not some fringe journal. It's in the journal Curriculum Inquiry, which is the leading journal

00:41:07.440 of curriculum and education. And it was called Drag Pedagogy. It came out at the beginning of the 0.96

00:41:12.560 year last year, 2021. Drag Pedagogy. And it talks about the use of Drag Queen Story Hour. And in fact,

00:41:18.160 in that paper, I urge people to go look this up and read it. It's actually open access. It's free.

00:41:22.720 Anybody can read it. You don't have to have an account. You can just go look up Drag Pedagogy by

00:41:27.120 Will Miss Hot Mess. I'm not kidding. And you can read this paper. And they say in there that they

00:41:32.080 use the fact that the idea of generating LGBT empathy as a selling point, as a marketing strategy.

00:41:41.440 But of course, that's not what it's really for. They say that in the paper. They actually tell you

00:41:45.920 that. They say that they marketed it as being family friendly. But what they actually mean is family in

00:41:51.040 the sense of the queer family on the street that you leave your real family for. This is things that 1.00

00:41:55.680 they're actually putting in writing and publishing in academic journals about what they're doing with

00:42:00.400 children. And it's just grotesque to see millions upon millions of people just falling for it by not

00:42:07.840 taking literally a small number of minutes, an hour out of their day to go look into this and read about 1.00

00:42:13.120 it before they get militant about it like an idiot on social media. So I encourage people to go look at 0.99

00:42:18.800 that this is not what it seems. And the travel project is not what it seems. And this suicide

00:42:25.520 kind of mental illness, self harm, anorexia, but then transition kind of cult grooming that's been

00:42:32.000 taking place on social media for many years, that many, many children have been harmed and pulled into

00:42:36.960 that now involves this kind of, you know, kind of alleged magical pathway out of all your troubles

00:42:42.480 through becoming a lifelong pharmaceutical patient, which will in the end force you to have expensive

00:42:49.120 lifelong medical care, which will force you to agitate for socialist single-payer medicine,

00:42:55.760 just like they agitate for student loan forgiveness. So you're creating these activists

00:43:00.080 with this program. I urge people to go look into this because this has been a deliberate and malicious

00:43:06.640 and extraordinarily damaging grooming project that's, like you said, happening out in the open,

00:43:12.080 happening at scale, happening deliberately through multi-billion dollar funding programs like social

00:43:18.320 emotional learning through the schools, which should be illegal anyway. You shouldn't be practicing

00:43:22.160 psychology as a teacher in front of groups of students in a non-therapeutic uncontrolled space.

00:43:26.720 That should be felonious, not something encouraged. So people really need to kind of become more aware,

00:43:32.400 and this is why I spend so much time talking about it. This is why I got kicked off of Twitter for

00:43:35.760 talking about it. People need to become much more aware of just what's going on and that it's

00:43:42.320 extremely damaging and it's also disgustingly purposed. It's not just happening. It's not just

00:43:48.160 social contagion. Like I said, they pressure the kids about their racial identity and give them a

00:43:52.720 resolution in adopting a sexual identity or a gender transition identity. I even saw the other day

00:44:00.080 being non-binary is racist. White people aren't allowed to be non-binary, for example. Being a tomboy has 0.81

00:44:08.160 a long history of racism. These are articles they're putting out in teen-geared magazines.

00:44:12.320 They're telling people, kids, vulnerable 13, 14-year-old girls, 12-year-old girls this. So

00:44:17.680 they're uncomfortable about their racial identity because of the critical race theory put onto them.

00:44:21.360 They can't just become bisexual. They can't just become non-binary and kind of wash out, 0.94

00:44:26.960 which is already bad enough. No, they have to go full into transition, whether they're a racist in

00:44:31.680 some way or another. In other words, they have to walk this path that is psychologically mutilating,

00:44:36.080 and if they go far enough down the path, physically mutilating and possibly sterilizing

00:44:42.480 so that they can't have children as they grow up. This is horrific, what they're doing,

00:44:46.720 and there's no excuse. It's not for LGBT empathy. This is to destroy kids in a targeted and malicious way. 1.00

00:44:55.520 I find this all very troubling. It makes me think, about a year ago, we had an incident with the

00:45:01.600 Montreal police and were suing them. And one of the things they did is we had a teenager with our team

00:45:09.280 who was 16 at the time, and the police separated her from the rest of us, searched her belongings and

00:45:16.720 interrogated her. And we were calling out against us, but we were not permitted to intervene. And the idea

00:45:22.560 of police interrogating and searching a minor child without a guardian there is outrageous to me.

00:45:29.840 And it's one of the things we're suing over. Now she was a savvy 16 year old, and it was

00:45:36.720 it was not an extended period of time. But it still deeply outrages me that the police would do that.

00:45:45.520 And imagine, and that's a 16 year old basically having her civil rights violated. But imagine a 1.00

00:45:51.280 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 year old being separated from a guardian and subject to someone else's agenda,

00:46:02.080 not once for 10 minutes or 20 minutes, but every week for years, hidden from guardians.

00:46:08.960 If it outrages me that our 16 year old colleague was treated this way, surely it should outrage us that

00:46:19.040 six year old 10 year olds are being treated this way in these drag queen events where children,

00:46:25.440 and I say to people who say, you know, and I know that they kicked you off of Twitter because they

00:46:29.360 elided the word groomer with an anti-gay epithet. But I say to people who are having trouble

00:46:37.440 understanding that, would you feel any better if minor children were taken to heterosexual strip 0.86

00:46:43.200 clubs? Would you feel any better if a 10 year old girl was taken to a strip club where women's 1.00

00:46:49.520 strippers were stripping naked? It would be just as inappropriate. And we would call that child 0.97

00:46:53.920 trafficking. I find this a deeply troubling subject. And listen, I wanted to talk to you today about a

00:46:59.280 number of things, but I'm glad we talked about this. I know this is a focus in the United States

00:47:05.360 because you have some political leaders pushing back. I mean, I think the governor of Virginia won

00:47:12.080 in part because of what parents saw in their kids' schools. Kids were at home taking school over Zoom

00:47:18.800 or Skype, and parents saw for the first time the kind of crazy stuff being taught,

00:47:23.280 whether it was critical race theory or sexual critical theory. And parents said, this is madness.

00:47:30.480 And I think that's one reason why Virginia, which has been a blue state for 20 years, went red.

00:47:35.280 And I know Rhonda Sanderson talked about this. He's banning doctors who engage in the kind of

00:47:41.040 mutilation surgeries you're talking about. I think this is happening in Canada just as much as in the

00:47:46.880 United States. But we lack the political courage or the journalism to stand up to it. We lack any

00:47:54.640 candidates for school boards to stand up to him. And I think there's nothing more important than

00:48:01.120 protecting our children. And why do we assume it only happens somewhere else? I find this a troubling

00:48:06.560 subject, but I'm glad we talked into it. How can we follow your work now that you're

00:48:11.360 taken off of Twitter? What's the best way to follow what you do?

00:48:14.240 Well, I mean, I strongly encourage people to go to the website, which is newdiscourses.com,

00:48:18.960 as you mentioned. That's where all of my long form and much of my short form written and audio

00:48:24.560 content gets put out. I have a YouTube channel that is largely those podcasts on YouTube,

00:48:29.280 but sometimes there's a little material. It is the New Discourses channel on YouTube. It just crossed

00:48:34.560 100,000 subscribers. So thank you to those people who have subscribed and welcome to new subscribers

00:48:39.760 who want to join in. It's a growing party. I'm kind of still all over the other social media

00:48:46.000 platforms. I kind of bring social media, the truth social, the getter, all of this. At Conceptual

00:48:50.960 James still, I'm not as active. I've actually, it's almost like somebody grabbed me by the shirt and

00:48:55.120 shook me for a moment. And I kind of realized that social media is just so poisonous that I just,

00:49:00.240 I've wanted out and now I have the excuse to do a lot less of it. So I'm kind of happy to be doing

00:49:04.880 much less of it. And don't anticipate if they return. I do want to mention though, I know what

00:49:09.600 we're winding up, but I want to mention that it is worse in Canada than it is in the United States

00:49:14.160 for whatever set of reasons, lack of political courage, people being too nice, whatever it is.

00:49:18.720 I have a friend, Chris Elston. He's known as billboard Chris on social media. He wears these

00:49:23.440 billboards that children shouldn't, you know, consent. They can't consent to puberty blockers,

00:49:27.200 et cetera. And I met with him recently in Tampa, Florida, just to tell a quick story. And he was

00:49:32.400 going to go out with this huge crowd of democratic protesters outside of an event we were in.

00:49:36.640 And he was going to do a signs and video and all of this. And somebody asked, aren't you afraid that

00:49:40.480 you're going to get assaulted? He said, no, I'm not in Canada. I'm in the United States. I'll be

00:49:44.640 fine. And he was, in fact, nobody, big people yelled at him a little bit, nothing else. And then

00:49:49.440 he, he went back to Vancouver, uh, the following week, he went home and he went out for an event and

00:49:55.040 was standing on a street corner and got physically assaulted and punched, uh, more than once. Each time he

00:50:01.360 went out in Canada, he gets physically assaulted. That doesn't happen in the United States. It's

00:50:04.880 actually worse in Canada. So your viewers should be aware that Canada is far much worse on this issue

00:50:11.440 than even the United States, bro. It's crazy dangerous stuff that I mentioned. So follow

00:50:16.080 Chris as well, billboard Chris. You can find him that way. All right. Well, I'm glad we had this

00:50:21.520 conversation. It's great to catch up with you. Next time we talk, we'll branch out into other issues,

00:50:25.840 but this was on my mind because it was the reason you were banned from TikTok. Dr. James Lindsey of

00:50:30.800 newdiscourses.com. Great to catch up with you today. Yes, always. Thank you. All right. Well,

00:50:36.400 there you have it. Our feature interview with Dr. James Lindsey. What do you think?

00:50:40.800 Do you think he's, um, overstating things? Do you think he's exaggerating? Do you think he's

00:50:47.200 infusing his comments with some sort of bigotry or hatred, or do you think he is

00:50:52.320 actually doing the opposite, ringing the alarm about what's happening to our children and

00:50:57.920 deliberately being kept away from us? What do you think? Let me know. Send me an email to ezra

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Rebel News Podcast - August 18, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ INTERVIEW： Dr. James Lindsay was deplatformed for calling out child grooming

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