EZRA LEVANT ｜ INTERVIEW： Dr. James Lindsay was deplatformed for calling out child grooming
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Dr. James Lindsay talks about how our schools are being used to sexually groom children, and why it s a terrifying thing to grow up in a world where sex ed is sexualized in school. That's right, sex ed.
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Hello, my rebels. Very challenging conversation today, a feature-length interview with Dr. James
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Lindsay, talking about sexual education in school. Sex ed is not like when you and I went to school.
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It's very different now. It's sexualizing children of tender years, and not just to give them basic
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facts about the deed, but rather an ideology that promotes them rejecting their gender and
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becoming non-binary and then going all the way and perhaps taking pharmaceuticals and even engaging
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in surgery. It's a terrifying thing. We'll talk to Dr. James Lindsay about it and find out what he has
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Tonight's another feature interview with Dr. James Lindsay. Are our schools being used to sexually
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groom children? That's ahead on the Estrella Vance Show.
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If you come from a sheltered, protected country like we do, Canada, and a sheltered and protected
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place like I suppose I did growing up, the word grooming, well, it's how you brush your teeth and
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shave. That's called grooming. Do you have a good haircut? It's maybe what you groom a horse. That's
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what I would think of. But it was only when I started visiting the United Kingdom a few years ago and
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started following Tommy Robinson and his battles that I heard of something called grooming gangs.
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And when I found out what they really were, I thought that was a very inappropriate title for
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them. Grooming, of course, was a euphemism for raping. As you know, and I'm sorry to talk about
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such heavy things, these young girls as young as 11 would be entrapped by these elderly men. And
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elderly, I mean, 40, 50, 60 years old. Oh, would you like a candy? Would you like a drink of alcohol?
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Would you like a cigarette? Would you like a ride in my Mercedes Benz? And they would be asked in
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return to maybe lift up their shirt for the man who would take a photo and say, now I've got you.
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I'm going to extort you and exploit you if you don't have sex with me and my friends. I'm going to shame
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you to the community, to your parents. I'm going to show them the picture I just took of you.
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And these girls would be entrapped and alcohol and drugs would be used. And they were raped again
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and again every night by a variety of men over the course of years. This is such a shocking thing
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for those of us who grew up in happy places like we did here in Canada.
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The city of Rotherham, UK, population quarter million, more than 1,400 girls were the victims
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of these grooming gangs. Again, I call them rape gangs because grooming doesn't say what it was,
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what really was done to them. Grooming refers to the fact that they were tricked and trapped and
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enticed and then entangled and then exploited. Majid Nawaz said that reluctance to talk about it
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is one of the biggest problems. Here's Majid Nawaz a few years ago on his program
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on the radio station LBC. For too long in this country, we, media, the establishment, society,
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the chattering classes, the liberal elite, whatever term you want to use, have ignored the issue of
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grooming gangs of young, vulnerable teenage girls who have been victimised, drugged and raped and
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abused. Whether it's the Rotherham case or all the other cases that were replicated across the country,
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it is both the conclusion of the prosecutor in the Rotherham case, British, Pakistani, Muslim,
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or indeed the official inquiry into why it took so long for these young, vulnerable, underage girls
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to get justice. Both of those concluded that fears of racism prevented us from coming to the defence
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of vulnerable, underage girls. Fears of racism meaning that the state was scared that it would
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be accused of being racist if it rightly arrested and prosecuted British, Pakistani largely, British,
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Pakistani, Muslim men in their abuse of underage white teenage girls. And so from fear of appearing
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racist, there was a silence across the country as multiple cases of grooming gangs emerged up and down
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the country. Well, he's right, of course. And if you look at the official inquiry in Rotherham,
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again and again, police and others were afraid to blow the whistle for fear of being called racist.
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And as Majid says, more than 80 percent of these grooming gangs were Pakistani British men, which
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made it very difficult to talk about. Does that only happen over there? Or are there grooming gangs in
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North America too? Well, anyone who followed the Weinstein story of the producer in Hollywood knows that
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women and even girls are abused for their sexuality by powerful men. And of course, there's the case of
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Jeffrey Epstein, who ran a child trafficking ring for years, even decades. He mysteriously died. They
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called it suicide in his jail cell. And his right-hand woman is in jail right now. But funny enough, not a
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single one of their clients has been exposed. The only one we know about for Sherm is Bill Gates. And we
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know it because his wife divorced him over it. Here's Melinda Gates on the subject.
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It was also widely reported that Bill had a friendship or business or some kind of contact with Jeffrey
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Epstein and that you were not, that that was very upsetting to you. Did that play a role in the
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divorce at all in this process? Yeah, as I said, it's not one thing. It was many things. But I did not
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like that he'd had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein. No. Mm hmm. And you made that clear to him. I made
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that clear to him. I also met Jeffrey Epstein exactly one time. Did you? Yes, because I wanted to see who
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this man was. And I regretted it from the second I stepped in the door. He was abhorrent. He was
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evil, personified. I had nightmares about it afterwards. So, you know, my heart breaks for
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these young women because that's how I felt. And here I'm an older woman. My God, I feel terrible
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for those young women. It's awful. You felt that the moment you walked in. I didn't realize it. He was awful.
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Yeah. And you shared that with Bill and he still continued to spend time with him?
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Any of the questions remaining about what Bill's relationship there was, those are for Bill to
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answer. Okay. But I made it very clear how I felt about him. Well, why can't we talk about those
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things? Why aren't journalists talking about what is an enormous story, the predation of our children
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by powerful people, usually very powerful men in the case of Weinstein and Epstein? Well,
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here's a reporter at ABC News caught in a hot mic moment. You'll remember this video
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where she said she had the story, but ABC nixed it. Remember this?
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I've had the story for three years. I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts.
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We would not put it on the air. First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein? No one knows who
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that is. This is a stupid story. Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about
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Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways. We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to
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interview Kate and Will. That also quashed the story. And then Alan Dershowitz was also implicated
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in it because of the planes. She told me everything. She had pictures. She had everything. She was in
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hiding for 12 years. We convinced her to come out. We convinced her to talk to us. It was unbelievable
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what we had Clinton. We had everything. I tried for three years to get it on to no avail. And now
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it's all coming out. And it's like these new revelations. And I freaking had all of it. I'm so
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pissed right now. Like every day I get more and more pissed because I'm just like, oh my God, we,
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it was, what we had was unreal. Other women backing it up. Hey, yep. Brad Edwards, the attorney,
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three years ago saying like, aunt, like we, there will come a day where we will realize Jeffrey
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Epstein was the most prolific pedophile this country has ever known. I had it all three years
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ago. I show you all these things because our next guest who will be our feature interview for today
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has been talking about grooming in the United States and in Canada to a lesser extent.
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Grooming not done in secret, like the rape rooms of Rotherham, not done in secret, like on Jeffrey
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Epstein's Island, but out in the open, in our schools, on TikTok and other youthful Twitter
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accounts and social media platforms. Grooming not being done in secret, but explicitly.
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And for talking about that, for using that phrase grooming, he was censored and deplatformed.
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I'll introduce the man to explain what happened himself. His name is Dr. James Lindsay. You'll
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recall we've had him on the show before. He's the boss of new discourses.com and he joins us now via
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Skype from Knoxville, Tennessee. Dr. Lindsay, what a pleasure to have you back on the show. I hope you
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don't mind my lengthy introduction. The idea of grooming, of slowly breaking down children,
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entrapping them, entangling them. It's shocking whenever we see it, but we always think it's a
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faraway thing could never happen here. It actually is happening right here, isn't it? Right under our
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noses. Yeah, very unfortunately. And like you said, through the schools. And so what we are seeing,
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just to tie into the connotation of grooming that we were just discussing, is we're seeing story
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after story after story now of sexual abuse occurring in schools, sometimes with hundreds
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of victims coming across many different states. And I don't think that this is wholly surprising.
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This isn't quite what I got kicked off of Twitter for. I was using, as you started out by saying,
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you know, grooming your beard or grooming your hair or grooming a horse. There are other meanings of
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the word grooming. We used to say, for example, that maybe, you know, your favorite politician,
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whoever it might be, maybe Mitch McConnell or somebody has groomed the successor, has kind of
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brought them into the fold, the way of thinking, the mentality that, you know, he had put forth before
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he retires or whatever it might be. And so there's this idea of professional grooming, and there's an
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idea actually of cult grooming. You don't merely, you know, entice perhaps a young person or a vulnerable
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person for sexual exploits. You can also entice them to join a cult. And this is something that
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has been going on, obviously, for a very long time, probably as long as there have been people.
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And it's been a rampant problem in the United States. We've had the Scientology cult exposed.
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We know that it and other cults prey upon vulnerable people who have recently moved. So they've
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offended their lives. But what we have going on in the schools is this kind of weird tandem
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problem where you have a cult of belief about the organization of society, the social constructiveness
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of society, about sex and gender and sexuality in those regards, in particular, being taught as
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though it is some form of, as they call it, comprehensive sexuality education, that, you know,
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maybe if you don't feel like a boy, even though you are a boy, then maybe you are secretly a girl.
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And then kind of this whole process begins. You induce this vulnerability and pull these kids
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into these afterschool clubs. And they were socially transitioning kids at school while hiding from
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their parents the fact that they've changed their name, changed their pronouns, or maybe even depending
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on the school system, are beginning to take pharmaceuticals that maybe block their puberty, maybe their
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antidepressants, or psychoactive drugs, maybe they eventually can include cross-sex hormones.
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Then the schools are facilitating this after inducing these ideas into the children's minds. And so now
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you have this kind of cross-purpose sex, gender, sexuality as a form of identity cult that, of course,
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opens up vulnerability to predation, you know, kind of physical and sexual predation, which, just to bring
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it full circle to any other cult, the vast majority of those end up with the cult leader, you know,
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basically asking for people's wives and daughters for his own entertainment. So this is, this is a
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absolute catastrophe that's happening out in the open in our schools, through our entertainment,
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under the guise of creating empathy and acceptance and inclusion for LGBT people. But in fact, that is
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mutilating the minds and eventually bodies of young people across our countries.
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You know, you're, you're so right. I mean, even Freud, who's regarded as, by many, as an extremist or
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even a pervert, even he talked about a period of latency. I mean, children are not sexual. By definition,
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they're in the age of innocence, an Eden time before the fall. And to inject sexuality at such a young
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age. I mean, here in the province of Ontario, they introduce the six genders, I challenge you to name
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which you probably know what six they're talking about. And gay isn't a gender, by the way. You tell
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people that and they say, well, what are the six genders? Like that, they're teaching that. They're
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teaching that as young as grade one. Why are you doing that? And it's got nothing to do with being
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straight or gay. It's about sexualizing young people. Why would you do that? Why would you break
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down normal barriers? And I think your cult analogy works. A lot of cults have a sexual purpose for the
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leader. And you break down norms. For example, monogamy norms. No, the boss of the cult gets to
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have sex with everyone. Well, what are these other norms that are being broken down by sexualizing
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children? I think that is the phrase grooming. You're, you're breaking someone down and reforming
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them. There can be good grooming. Like you said, Mitch McConnell is grooming his successor. He's
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teaching them all the ways and he's going to pass the baton to him. And it's, you know, it's improved.
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It's like a mentor and a protege. But the kind of grooming in a cult and the kind of grooming
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in, in these sex orientation, hypersexual school classes, it is designed to, to turn the student
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into an object of sexuality. I believe that. Yeah, there are, there are actually several purposes.
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And it's, it's very important for people to realize that this is a purposed attempt to transform the
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views of our children in many regards. And people have been studying, when I say people, I should
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hesitate to use that particular work because Marxists have been studying for over a century, going back
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to, for example, Wilhelm Reich, his book about sexual liberation. And then following, you know,
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George Lukács in the Hungarian revolution, using education to sexualize children in Hungary in
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1919. And then Herbert Marcuse exploring this idea of tapping back to Freud in the 1950s in his book,
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Heroes and Civilization. And the power that comes with sexualizing a child, whether predatory purposes or
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not, is actually, actually outstanding. You can sever that child from a sense of the safe boundaries
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that you need to develop in a healthy fashion as a child. And so you can, in some sense, if you take
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the borrow from the Marxist language, you can estrange a child from himself, but you can also
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estrange him from these anchors. And this is what cults always do, such as family and religion,
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that, and even the prevailing culture of, say, Canada or the United States, that might anchor
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them back and keep them from joining the cult. The cult always has the same program. The cult is
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always to draw people in using their vulnerability, and then to slowly, slowly give them acceptance in
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the cult and cause distrust and separation from people who might wake them up and keep them out of
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it. And so the goal is to, you know, these children is to teach them sexual themes, teach them that there
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are six genders. And when they go home and they tell their parents, I'm a, you know, demigender,
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whatever made up term that they apply, the parents say, what is that? That's not a thing. Then it's,
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mom, you don't understand. So you sever from the parents. And then if they say, invoke the Bible,
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or they invoke, you know, culture, the longstanding Canadian or American culture, well, their kids will
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say, well, that's obsolete. It's different now. Those are oppressive forms that, you know, that hurt
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people like me, and you just don't understand, and things are different, and you got brainwashed
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into a bad world. And so you can actually separate a generation from their parents, from their culture,
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from their religion, but importantly, from themselves. This is inappropriate relationships,
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whether sexual or emotional with children, inappropriate boundary setting with children,
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and the inability to help them navigate the structures and boundaries and categories that
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they're forming in life in those important developmental phases is how you induce personality disorders.
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It is how you actually psychologically damage a child to where they can't cope and function
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normally throughout the rest of their lives. Now, the people that are doing this know this,
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because those people become moldable, they become activists, they become inconsolable,
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and they'll constantly demand, you know, more and more being taken care of. If they become
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narcissists as a result, then we all see what happens when you deal with narcissists. The focus is
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always on them. So this is a deliberate push. The credation, the sexual credation that can come along
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with this, I think, is in a sort of very disgusting sense of bonus for some creditors who take advantage
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of the circumstance. But the ultimate purpose is actually political. And it's been well thought
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out. And it's been utilized for over 100 years in different Marxist revolutions. As a matter of fact,
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the Bolsheviks used it in Russia in 1917, and afterwards, and then Lenin had to turn it off,
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because it was too powerful to destabilize. And then Mao made the same mistake in China.
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And they had to stop doing it there as well. Because again, it was too powerful. It's too
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destabilizing. It's too destructive. And the fact that they're doing this whole fog to our children,
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they're socially transitioning, and they're doing so-called gender affirmative treatment and care
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at school, and then hide this from your parents, they tell them, don't tell your parents. And in some
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states like California, they're working diligently to get kids to understand that they can get taken out
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of the parents' home if the parents aren't affirming. And in fact, California is working on a bill now
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to make it legal for them to take kids from other states as LGBT sanctuaries. So the kid comes in
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and declares themselves a refugee for LGBT reasons, gets to San Francisco or Los Angeles or something.
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And a caseworker immediately makes some award of the state of California, and some parent in Iowa has
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now lost their child. And this is extraordinarily alarming, but it's also blatantly cult grooming.
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But if you call it what it is, because you're calling it what it is, then the big social media
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platforms will kick you off, because they, for some reason, are very invested in protecting this.
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And there are, I think, a number of reasons why they might do that. But ultimately, the goal is to
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disrupt society, to disrupt families, to disrupt and end the faith, to segregate the younger generation
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from the older, and to segregate them from even themselves, so they don't know who they are.
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Hmm. And you yourself have been banned. You had quite a large Twitter following. You were literally
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banned for using the word grooming to describe this. I want to show, you've said so many interesting
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things. I want to show some proof points. Here's a video from a hospital basically saying, yeah,
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we're going to, you just say the word and we're going to get right in. Here's a video, I believe this
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is from a Boston hospital. Take a look at this.
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A child will often know that they are transgender from the moment that they have any ability
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to express themselves. And parents will often tell us this. We have parents who tell us that
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their kids, they knew from the minute they were born practically. And actions like refusing
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to get a haircut or standing to urinate, trying to stand to urinate, refusing to stand to urinate,
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trying on siblings' clothing, playing with the quote opposite gender toys, things like that.
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There is more and more a group of adolescents that we are seeing that really are coming
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to the realization that they might be trans or gender diverse a little bit later on in
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their life. So what we're seeing from them is that they always sort of knew something was
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maybe off and didn't have the understanding to know that they might be trans or have a different
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gender identity than the one they had been assigned. So that is a growing population that
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they are, that we are seeing and that's being recognized as being trans and able to be treated.
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Gender-affirming hysterectomy is very similar to most hysterectomies that occur. A hysterectomy
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itself is the removal of the uterus, the cervix, which is the opening of the uterus, and the
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fallopian tubes, which are attached to the sides of the uterus. Some gender-affirming hysterectomies
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will also include the removal of the ovaries, but that's technically a separate procedure called
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a bilateral oophrectomy. And not every gender-affirming hysterectomy includes that. And people who are
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getting gender-affirming hysterectomies do not have to have their ovaries removed.
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The idea of teachers deliberately doing this and hiding things from parents and even dispensing
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drugs, this is not a conspiracy theory. A lot of these teachers boast about it. There's an
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interesting account called Libs of TikTok. It's the, you know, I don't even think liberal is the right
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word. Progressives who are boasting about what they're doing in schools. I don't know why they boast
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about it. They think maybe parents aren't watching these TikTok videos, and I suppose in most cases
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that's true. Here's a sample of some Libs of TikTok talking about, you know, a campaign
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to sexualize their children and even to hand out pharmaceuticals to block their sexuality. Take a look
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at these. We need to talk about what's happening in Texas. The governor is trying to take away vital
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health care from transgender kids and labeling it as child abuse. Giving gender-affirming care
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to transgender children is medically necessary and supports their health and well-being.
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Did you know in many states you can get certain types of health care without your parents being
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there or ever finding out about it? It's today's Daily Doctor Facts. To figure out if you can get
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care since rentals, go to your state health department website and find the laws related
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to teen health, consent, and confidentiality. So with hormones, the mental health piece kind
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of ties into that because we're able to give you two letters, either for hormones or for surgery,
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readiness, things like that. And we dealt with that amazing team from UC Identity Diversity Program.
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So, some of the folks from UC Identity Diversity Program are Great Cervantes, who goes over the
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insurance part, Jeff Vu, who's a nurse practitioner, Dr. Hunt, Dr. Lynn Hunt, who's a pediatrician.
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We have Abigail, Katherine, and Caroline as well, who are med students who have been incredible
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and teach amazing information about hormones. So the hormone section, we talk about estrogen,
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we talk about testosterone, we talk about blockers, we talk about stopping puberty for our youth,
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ways in order to navigate that, what hormones will do, what they won't do, the timeline to think of that nature.
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I'm a doctor and apparently the state of Texas needs to reconsider what it considers child abuse.
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Because you know what's abusive? Ignoring the needs of your child when your child is telling you what
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they need. And engaging in behavior as a parent that could lead them to unalive themselves.
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Over 80% of trans youth have admitted to having thoughts about unaliving themselves,
00:25:21.680
In these individuals denying them care that we know is life saving.
00:25:27.440
In my last video I told you how adults are my problem, and I have to get them to take me seriously,
00:25:35.040
which means I have to consistently remind people to take me seriously. I have to set up boundaries.
00:25:40.960
If people do not use the correct pronouns, the correct language, the correct title, the correct name,
00:25:50.400
then sometimes I am forced to remind them to. And if they continue to refuse, and I don't mean by
00:25:58.560
accident, I mean to actively refuse, then I get to a point where I maybe have to cut them out of my life.
00:26:04.720
Kids, their brains are more elastic than that. They get it. They don't care. They're just here for a good time.
00:26:13.120
And the queer ones, they see me. And they saw me before I was ready to be seen.
00:26:18.480
So I do them a service now. And they call me Mix.
00:26:28.560
I, at least at my teaching job, I'm very out. I wear my pronouns and stuff.
00:26:34.480
And I'm like, I like correct the kids, and the kids have gotten to like correcting each other.
00:26:40.400
And it was like so awesome today. We were, I was in charge of our like active activity.
00:26:47.200
And one of the kids referred to me as a girl. And one of my kids was like,
00:26:55.600
Jamie doesn't have a gender. Jamie's not a girl.
00:27:00.080
Oh my god. And like, the kid was just like, what do you mean?
00:27:04.000
And she was just like, Jamie doesn't have a gender. Jamie is not a girl.
00:27:08.240
I like the way that like, the way that has me is so emotional.
00:27:16.400
I think it's madness. But let me just tell you a quick story. I know, I'm sure you know this,
00:27:21.600
Dr. Lindsay, because you know these things. In the Soviet Union, their version of Boy Scouts,
00:27:26.880
the young pioneers, they wore a little lapel pin, all the kids. And it was of a young boy named Pavel
00:27:33.520
Morozo. Maybe you know the story. He was a Ukrainian boy. I forget how old he was. He was very young.
00:27:39.120
And the story is probably embellished by the Soviets for propaganda reasons, but I'm sure
00:27:44.240
there's a grain of truth under it. Pavel Morozov overheard his parents criticizing Stalin's plans
00:27:50.560
to forcibly collectivize Ukrainian farms in what became known as the Holodomir, the forced famine,
00:27:58.960
the engineered famine. So he overheard his parents speaking ill of Stalin's plans. And because he had
00:28:06.720
been alienated by authorities from his family and taught to love the state instead, he informed on
00:28:14.480
him. He's he he ratted. He told the police about his parents and they arrested them and sent them
00:28:21.040
off to Siberia. And Pavel Morozov was given the title by Lenin, sorry, by Stalin, informant number
00:28:29.120
one. Now, we use the word informant as an insult. He's an informant. Don't trust him. He's a snitch.
00:28:35.200
No, in the Soviet Union, that was the greatest achievement. And so every young pioneer, every boy in Russia,
00:28:43.360
when they would join scouts would wear a little picture of Pavel Morozov in a lapel, like it wouldn't
00:28:50.480
be it wouldn't be a neutral symbol or an outdoorsy symbol or even Lenin. It was Pavel Morozov. The role
00:28:58.640
model for a Soviet boy was someone who would not only alienate their family, but throw their family in
00:29:08.080
prison because their higher loyalty was to Stalin. And until the end, until 1989, that was what young
00:29:16.560
boys took home from Boy Scouts, young pioneers. Imagine the terror that would put in a family.
00:29:22.640
You say child welfare services taking kids away whose parents say don't, you know, you're not a
00:29:28.800
demigender, whatever. Imagine the terror that the KGB would come and throw you, take your kids away and
00:29:36.640
throw you in Siberia because your kid was told he's being weaponized against you. I thought I, I'm sure
00:29:44.000
some of my viewers have heard me talk about Pavel Morozov before. That was the hero of the Boy Scouts of Russia.
00:29:49.040
Yeah, that's exactly the mentality behind a lot of this, that you can put this pressure on children,
00:29:58.320
whether it's through their racial identity, whether it's through these kind of sexual things,
00:30:02.320
and you can make them feel more and more uncomfortable. This is what Mao Zedong did as
00:30:05.760
well. It wasn't just Stalin who told this, he created positive and negative identity categories.
00:30:10.960
And if your parents were in a negative identity category, then you were in a negative identity
00:30:14.720
category. And they would mistreat you at school and get favored treatment to the people who turned
00:30:19.520
the parents in or who bullied their parents or who went and desecrated the temple or who destroyed
00:30:25.360
a statue of the, you know, the old culture. And so this is a common tactic within communism.
00:30:31.200
But in order to do that, you have to break the loyalty of the parents first. And what the
00:30:35.520
communists have understood for, again, a century is that there is no tool more powerful for breaking
00:30:40.640
the loyalty to your parents than to tap into the sexuality of children. And now you mentioned
00:30:45.440
that Sigmund Freud, for example, no hero of history, that Sigmund Freud understood that there
00:30:52.240
was a latency period and a period during, you know, an age of innocence and children. And what you'll find,
00:30:57.360
if you look in the literature, the queer theory in education, literature, as I have done,
00:31:02.400
what you'll find is that there is a relentless attack on childhood innocence. In fact, there's an
00:31:07.200
attempt to bring this ideology called queer theory, which is a Marxism, a theory of Marxism that attacks
00:31:13.520
the idea of people being able to be considered normal versus abnormal. And so they've got this
00:31:19.360
entire attempt to bring queer theory to bear on childhood development psychology so that they can
00:31:24.400
rewrite childhood development psychology in their terms so that we can abolish the innocence of children,
00:31:30.320
so that they can go after children. And when you start to abolish the innocence of children,
00:31:34.640
and you start to introduce sexual conversations with children, not only are you psychologically
00:31:39.440
damaging them, not only are you leading them down the firm's path for many kids to physical damage
00:31:43.840
through pharmaceuticals and through surgical tools, but, or even self-harm, you are also in fact
00:31:52.640
opening them up to the kind of predation that we kind of started the discussion with. It makes it
00:31:57.920
less able for them to determine that Mrs. So-and-so at school said something sexual and that's
00:32:03.600
highly inappropriate and therefore I need to tell my mom. In fact, the mentality now is that the
00:32:09.280
parents are the thing that children have to be protected from and the schools are the thing
00:32:13.360
protecting children from their parents. So I thought I'd bring you an update of the whole
00:32:19.680
gender identity situation and how I'm handling it in my classroom. So the student who originally asked me
00:32:26.880
about pronouns and identifiers and if I had them, I went up to her and I asked what the best way for
00:32:33.920
me to go about this with students was. And they told me that I should take the time and individually
00:32:40.640
asked each student privately to know what their identity was, how I should refer to them, and how I
00:32:48.080
should refer to them around their parents, because that's a different issue.
00:32:50.640
And they're transmitting this mentality through the sexuality, through these other forms of cult
00:32:57.840
grooming and through these other messages. And it's an extraordinarily dangerous and an
00:33:01.680
extraordinarily evil program that I think we need to be far more aware of and far more ready and eager
00:33:07.360
to stop. This isn't about politics. This isn't about left and right. This is about children and
00:33:12.960
protecting children. And as you see, large corporations such as Twitter are actively complicit in the
00:33:19.360
the sexualization of children and protecting the people who are actively engaged in the sexualization
00:33:25.280
of children for these various purposes. You know, Bill Maher, who's got a show on HBO forever,
00:33:35.200
and he's not just liberal, I would call him libertine. There's nothing he doesn't like to do, sex, drugs,
00:33:41.360
whatever. There's certain things about him that I view are quite principled, actually, in his libertinism.
00:33:49.680
He's a free speech absolutist, which I admire. But at the end of it, maybe it's because he's
00:33:57.760
you know, in his 50s. So maybe he maybe some comments, maybe you can't you can't live that long
00:34:03.360
without having some common sense temper your liberalism. He did a segment the other day where he talked about
00:34:10.800
this transgenderism and he observed that it's not a uniform phenomenon. It is absolutely related to
00:34:21.760
what did a teacher in a certain school say? There are clusters. Is there a particularly
00:34:27.360
aggressive, sophisticated groomer in a particular school, in a particular class, even in a state,
00:34:36.080
let's say? And the fact that it is not a natural phenomenon, but a stimulated one proved to Bill Maher
00:34:43.840
that this whole thing, it's it's not fake. It's just engineered here. Here's a clip of Bill Maher saying
00:34:49.520
this. And I say again, Bill Maher couldn't be more sex friendly, gay friendly, you know, live your life.
00:34:58.800
But he draws the line at kids. Take a look. Dr. Erica Anderson is a prominent 71 year old clinical psychologist
00:35:05.600
who is herself transgender and who now says, I think it's gone too far. The L.A. Times summarizes,
00:35:13.040
she's come to believe that some children identifying as trans are falling under the influence of their
00:35:18.080
peers and social media. If you attend a small dinner party of typically very liberal upper income Angelenos,
00:35:26.800
it is not uncommon to hear parents who each have a trans kid having a conversation about that. What are
00:35:32.960
the odds of that happening in Youngstown, Ohio? If this spike in trans children is all natural,
00:35:40.400
why is it regional? Either Ohio is shaming them or California is creating them.
00:35:48.080
It's like that day we suddenly all needed bottled water all the time.
00:35:59.440
If we can't admit that in certain enclaves, there is some level of trendiness to the idea
00:36:04.960
of being anything other than straight, then this is not a serious science-based discussion.
00:36:09.760
It's a blow being struck in the culture wars using children as cannon fodder. I don't understand
00:36:16.880
parents who won't let their nine-year-old walk to the corner without a helmet, an EpiPen and a GPS tracker.
00:36:36.240
But hormone blockers and genital surgery? Fine.
00:36:41.040
I'm sure the vast majority of parents do not take this lightly, and that it's very hard to know when
00:36:46.960
something is real or just a phase. And I understand being trans is different. It's innate. But kids do
00:36:53.680
also have phases. They're kids. It's all phases. The dinosaur phase, the Hello Kitty phase. One day they
00:37:00.160
want to be an astronaut, the next day you can't get them to leave their room. Gender fluid. Kids are fluid
00:37:05.280
about everything. If kids knew what they wanted to be at age eight, the world would be filled with
00:37:09.360
cowboys and princesses. You know, I think that's going to put him on the... He's no longer a protected
00:37:16.400
person, Bill Maher. I wonder if he'll be canceled or if he still earns too much money. You know,
00:37:23.200
Elon Musk used the phrase mind virus the other day, and I think there's something to it. You know,
00:37:29.440
there's a trite old saying, smiles are contagious. Laughter is contagious. But it's actually true.
00:37:37.360
You know, you see someone smiling, you're more likely to smile. You see someone laughing,
00:37:40.880
you actually want to laugh along. You see someone yawning, you yawn. If someone in your circle commits
00:37:48.800
suicide, now the idea has been implanted in your group, and now it's an acceptable thing to do. And you
00:37:54.400
see suicide clusters. We see that sometimes in Indian reserves in Canada. Depression can be a mind
00:38:02.880
virus. I think that we underestimate how powerful persuasion and peers are. And I think that that's
00:38:12.880
not something that people on the right think about a lot. We're just numbers and, you know, physics and
00:38:18.800
math. We're not feelings and peer pressure and emotion and compliance. But if anything,
00:38:26.560
if we've learned anything from the last two years of lockdowns, it's that the herd mentality and being
00:38:32.320
in the in-group is the most powerful thing in the world. And that's what's going on with this
00:38:37.120
with this grooming. Yeah, you mentioned actually suicide clusters, and that makes me feel like I
00:38:43.040
should point out that, in fact, that level of grooming is happening as well to kind of connect
00:38:47.120
many of the dots that you just put together. In the program that they're calling social and
00:38:51.600
emotional learning, which should raise the hair on the back of everybody's neck,
00:38:56.640
they actually do repeated surveys of children about how they feel about their social and emotional
00:39:00.800
circumstances in life. In fact, it's required by law under the Every Student Succeeds Act in the United
00:39:05.840
States that they survey these children and gather lots of information about them. And one of the questions
00:39:11.360
that they often ask these young kids is, I mean, many times throughout a single school year
00:39:16.640
in surveys, do you think about suicide? How often do you think about suicide? These kinds of things.
00:39:21.440
So you don't want them planting those ideas into these kids' heads who are allegedly at risk kids,
00:39:26.640
because they have to be classified at risk to receive the money that comes in from the federal
00:39:31.280
government through, say, ESSER III funding or the CARES Act, which is misappropriated pandemic money,
00:39:36.720
coming in under the guise of helping them psychologically and socially. Allegedly,
00:39:42.480
they've been injured by the trauma of the pandemic, and therefore you have to intervene this way.
00:39:47.200
But they ask them repeatedly, are you suicidal? Do you feel suicidal? And they say that this is for
00:39:51.840
prevention. But as a matter of fact, it plants the idea. And there's this program that is often
00:39:58.480
tied in with this. The World Economic Forum advertises it as one of its chief ed tech success stories.
00:40:04.080
It's called the Trevor Project. The Trevor Project is supposed to be a suicide prevention hotline
00:40:09.840
that children can use, especially if they're LGBTQ is the point. And it has all kinds of features that
00:40:16.400
enable them to have these ongoing dialogues, which are always gender affirming, that are always,
00:40:22.000
you know, this kind of queer theory affirming grooming behavior. I, in fact, get in trouble for
00:40:27.200
calling it the groomer project instead of the Trevor Project. And it has features that were at a punch
00:40:32.800
of a button and the child can completely delete the entire chat history so that no parent can ever
00:40:36.880
find it. It has all kinds of this kind of stuff built into it. And it's very suspicious that you
00:40:42.240
have people, again, anonymously talking to children in a very vulnerable state to affirm their feelings
00:40:47.920
about sex, gender and sexuality that they claim that they're having. And then it's built and designed
00:40:53.840
to be able to hide from the parents. And this is a selling point to the children. And on selling points,
00:40:58.960
I'll even add, there's another academic paper that I read recently in a major journal,
00:41:02.720
not some fringe journal. It's in the journal Curriculum Inquiry, which is the leading journal
00:41:07.440
of curriculum and education. And it was called Drag Pedagogy. It came out at the beginning of the
00:41:12.560
year last year, 2021. Drag Pedagogy. And it talks about the use of Drag Queen Story Hour. And in fact,
00:41:18.160
in that paper, I urge people to go look this up and read it. It's actually open access. It's free.
00:41:22.720
Anybody can read it. You don't have to have an account. You can just go look up Drag Pedagogy by
00:41:27.120
Will Miss Hot Mess. I'm not kidding. And you can read this paper. And they say in there that they
00:41:32.080
use the fact that the idea of generating LGBT empathy as a selling point, as a marketing strategy.
00:41:41.440
But of course, that's not what it's really for. They say that in the paper. They actually tell you
00:41:45.920
that. They say that they marketed it as being family friendly. But what they actually mean is family in
00:41:51.040
the sense of the queer family on the street that you leave your real family for. This is things that
00:41:55.680
they're actually putting in writing and publishing in academic journals about what they're doing with
00:42:00.400
children. And it's just grotesque to see millions upon millions of people just falling for it by not
00:42:07.840
taking literally a small number of minutes, an hour out of their day to go look into this and read about
00:42:13.120
it before they get militant about it like an idiot on social media. So I encourage people to go look at
00:42:18.800
that this is not what it seems. And the travel project is not what it seems. And this suicide
00:42:25.520
kind of mental illness, self harm, anorexia, but then transition kind of cult grooming that's been
00:42:32.000
taking place on social media for many years, that many, many children have been harmed and pulled into
00:42:36.960
that now involves this kind of, you know, kind of alleged magical pathway out of all your troubles
00:42:42.480
through becoming a lifelong pharmaceutical patient, which will in the end force you to have expensive
00:42:49.120
lifelong medical care, which will force you to agitate for socialist single-payer medicine,
00:42:55.760
just like they agitate for student loan forgiveness. So you're creating these activists
00:43:00.080
with this program. I urge people to go look into this because this has been a deliberate and malicious
00:43:06.640
and extraordinarily damaging grooming project that's, like you said, happening out in the open,
00:43:12.080
happening at scale, happening deliberately through multi-billion dollar funding programs like social
00:43:18.320
emotional learning through the schools, which should be illegal anyway. You shouldn't be practicing
00:43:22.160
psychology as a teacher in front of groups of students in a non-therapeutic uncontrolled space.
00:43:26.720
That should be felonious, not something encouraged. So people really need to kind of become more aware,
00:43:32.400
and this is why I spend so much time talking about it. This is why I got kicked off of Twitter for
00:43:35.760
talking about it. People need to become much more aware of just what's going on and that it's
00:43:42.320
extremely damaging and it's also disgustingly purposed. It's not just happening. It's not just
00:43:48.160
social contagion. Like I said, they pressure the kids about their racial identity and give them a
00:43:52.720
resolution in adopting a sexual identity or a gender transition identity. I even saw the other day
00:44:00.080
being non-binary is racist. White people aren't allowed to be non-binary, for example. Being a tomboy has
00:44:08.160
a long history of racism. These are articles they're putting out in teen-geared magazines.
00:44:12.320
They're telling people, kids, vulnerable 13, 14-year-old girls, 12-year-old girls this. So
00:44:17.680
they're uncomfortable about their racial identity because of the critical race theory put onto them.
00:44:21.360
They can't just become bisexual. They can't just become non-binary and kind of wash out,
00:44:26.960
which is already bad enough. No, they have to go full into transition, whether they're a racist in
00:44:31.680
some way or another. In other words, they have to walk this path that is psychologically mutilating,
00:44:36.080
and if they go far enough down the path, physically mutilating and possibly sterilizing
00:44:42.480
so that they can't have children as they grow up. This is horrific, what they're doing,
00:44:46.720
and there's no excuse. It's not for LGBT empathy. This is to destroy kids in a targeted and malicious way.
00:44:55.520
I find this all very troubling. It makes me think, about a year ago, we had an incident with the
00:45:01.600
Montreal police and were suing them. And one of the things they did is we had a teenager with our team
00:45:09.280
who was 16 at the time, and the police separated her from the rest of us, searched her belongings and
00:45:16.720
interrogated her. And we were calling out against us, but we were not permitted to intervene. And the idea
00:45:22.560
of police interrogating and searching a minor child without a guardian there is outrageous to me.
00:45:29.840
And it's one of the things we're suing over. Now she was a savvy 16 year old, and it was
00:45:36.720
it was not an extended period of time. But it still deeply outrages me that the police would do that.
00:45:45.520
And imagine, and that's a 16 year old basically having her civil rights violated. But imagine a
00:45:51.280
10, 11, 12, 13, 14 year old being separated from a guardian and subject to someone else's agenda,
00:46:02.080
not once for 10 minutes or 20 minutes, but every week for years, hidden from guardians.
00:46:08.960
If it outrages me that our 16 year old colleague was treated this way, surely it should outrage us that
00:46:19.040
six year old 10 year olds are being treated this way in these drag queen events where children,
00:46:25.440
and I say to people who say, you know, and I know that they kicked you off of Twitter because they
00:46:29.360
elided the word groomer with an anti-gay epithet. But I say to people who are having trouble
00:46:37.440
understanding that, would you feel any better if minor children were taken to heterosexual strip
00:46:43.200
clubs? Would you feel any better if a 10 year old girl was taken to a strip club where women's
00:46:49.520
strippers were stripping naked? It would be just as inappropriate. And we would call that child
00:46:53.920
trafficking. I find this a deeply troubling subject. And listen, I wanted to talk to you today about a
00:46:59.280
number of things, but I'm glad we talked about this. I know this is a focus in the United States
00:47:05.360
because you have some political leaders pushing back. I mean, I think the governor of Virginia won
00:47:12.080
in part because of what parents saw in their kids' schools. Kids were at home taking school over Zoom
00:47:18.800
or Skype, and parents saw for the first time the kind of crazy stuff being taught,
00:47:23.280
whether it was critical race theory or sexual critical theory. And parents said, this is madness.
00:47:30.480
And I think that's one reason why Virginia, which has been a blue state for 20 years, went red.
00:47:35.280
And I know Rhonda Sanderson talked about this. He's banning doctors who engage in the kind of
00:47:41.040
mutilation surgeries you're talking about. I think this is happening in Canada just as much as in the
00:47:46.880
United States. But we lack the political courage or the journalism to stand up to it. We lack any
00:47:54.640
candidates for school boards to stand up to him. And I think there's nothing more important than
00:48:01.120
protecting our children. And why do we assume it only happens somewhere else? I find this a troubling
00:48:06.560
subject, but I'm glad we talked into it. How can we follow your work now that you're
00:48:11.360
taken off of Twitter? What's the best way to follow what you do?
00:48:14.240
Well, I mean, I strongly encourage people to go to the website, which is newdiscourses.com,
00:48:18.960
as you mentioned. That's where all of my long form and much of my short form written and audio
00:48:24.560
content gets put out. I have a YouTube channel that is largely those podcasts on YouTube,
00:48:29.280
but sometimes there's a little material. It is the New Discourses channel on YouTube. It just crossed
00:48:34.560
100,000 subscribers. So thank you to those people who have subscribed and welcome to new subscribers
00:48:39.760
who want to join in. It's a growing party. I'm kind of still all over the other social media
00:48:46.000
platforms. I kind of bring social media, the truth social, the getter, all of this. At Conceptual
00:48:50.960
James still, I'm not as active. I've actually, it's almost like somebody grabbed me by the shirt and
00:48:55.120
shook me for a moment. And I kind of realized that social media is just so poisonous that I just,
00:49:00.240
I've wanted out and now I have the excuse to do a lot less of it. So I'm kind of happy to be doing
00:49:04.880
much less of it. And don't anticipate if they return. I do want to mention though, I know what
00:49:09.600
we're winding up, but I want to mention that it is worse in Canada than it is in the United States
00:49:14.160
for whatever set of reasons, lack of political courage, people being too nice, whatever it is.
00:49:18.720
I have a friend, Chris Elston. He's known as billboard Chris on social media. He wears these
00:49:23.440
billboards that children shouldn't, you know, consent. They can't consent to puberty blockers,
00:49:27.200
et cetera. And I met with him recently in Tampa, Florida, just to tell a quick story. And he was
00:49:32.400
going to go out with this huge crowd of democratic protesters outside of an event we were in.
00:49:36.640
And he was going to do a signs and video and all of this. And somebody asked, aren't you afraid that
00:49:40.480
you're going to get assaulted? He said, no, I'm not in Canada. I'm in the United States. I'll be
00:49:44.640
fine. And he was, in fact, nobody, big people yelled at him a little bit, nothing else. And then
00:49:49.440
he, he went back to Vancouver, uh, the following week, he went home and he went out for an event and
00:49:55.040
was standing on a street corner and got physically assaulted and punched, uh, more than once. Each time he
00:50:01.360
went out in Canada, he gets physically assaulted. That doesn't happen in the United States. It's
00:50:04.880
actually worse in Canada. So your viewers should be aware that Canada is far much worse on this issue
00:50:11.440
than even the United States, bro. It's crazy dangerous stuff that I mentioned. So follow
00:50:16.080
Chris as well, billboard Chris. You can find him that way. All right. Well, I'm glad we had this
00:50:21.520
conversation. It's great to catch up with you. Next time we talk, we'll branch out into other issues,
00:50:25.840
but this was on my mind because it was the reason you were banned from TikTok. Dr. James Lindsey of
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newdiscourses.com. Great to catch up with you today. Yes, always. Thank you. All right. Well,
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there you have it. Our feature interview with Dr. James Lindsey. What do you think?
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Do you think he's, um, overstating things? Do you think he's exaggerating? Do you think he's
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infusing his comments with some sort of bigotry or hatred, or do you think he is
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actually doing the opposite, ringing the alarm about what's happening to our children and
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deliberately being kept away from us? What do you think? Let me know. Send me an email to ezra
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at rebelnews.com. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters,
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to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.
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Why the f**k are you here? We're working, sir. Because you guys are shutting down the bridge.
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We want to know why. Why don't you f**k off? Here, there's for your f**king membership. There's for
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your rebel news. Go f**k yourself, lady. Go f**k yourself. Go f**k yourself. Would you like me to
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turn it up? Here you go. Go f**k yourself. If you're no f**king friend to native people, go f**k off. I am
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native. F**k off. F**k off playing that f**king card. F**k you. You're telling me I'm playing a race
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card? Yeah, you are. Get the f**k out of here. F**k off. A group of anti-fracking protesters are