Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ INTERVIEW： Freedom Convoy lawyer Keith Wilson, Q.C.

00:00:00.000 Hello, my Rebels. Today is another special full-length interview. Today it's with Keith

00:00:06.100 Wilson QC, the lawyer for the official trucker convoy. He'll give us an update on so many things,

00:00:12.120 the status of Tamara Litch, a new lawsuit he was just served with, and how the Canadian banks did

00:00:18.820 or didn't react to the order to seize bank accounts of Trudeau's enemies. It's an in-depth

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00:01:05.780 Tonight, an in-depth interview with Keith Wilson, QC, lawyer to the trucker convoy. It's March 28th,

00:01:29.500 and this is The Ezra Levant Show. Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon

00:01:36.100 consumer I know? There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer. The only thing I

00:01:41.920 have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:47.040 The trucker rebellion was the most important political activity in Canada, not only during

00:01:58.340 the entire two-year pandemic and lockdown, but I put it to you that it was the greatest political

00:02:03.460 earthquake in Canada, perhaps since the separatist referendum in Quebec almost 30 years ago. It

00:02:12.000 certainly was the largest Canadian news story around the world. For the first time, the world's

00:02:18.160 countries were riveted on what was happening in Canada, a blue-collar rebellion organized by no

00:02:24.760 party, supported by no one in the establishment. It just grew and grew, inspiring millions of Canadians

00:02:30.980 and tens of millions around the world. There were copycat trucker rebellions, convoys and caravans

00:02:37.180 in places as far away as Australia, the Netherlands, even Israel. To this day, there's a small convoy

00:02:44.620 in Washington, D.C., inspired by the Canadians. It had tremendous ramifications, and I believe that

00:02:51.360 the trucker rebellion helped speed up the end of the lockdowns in many provinces when people realized

00:02:58.280 that a giant had awakened, that popular opinion had coalesced not around a political party but

00:03:05.140 around these truckers. Aaron O'Toole was the first acute political casualty of it, and for that I'll

00:03:11.980 always be grateful to the truckers. The response from the incumbent establishment, however, was atrocious.

00:03:18.380 Besides denouncing the truckers as racist and misogynist and even Nazis, Justin Trudeau trumped up

00:03:26.300 excuses to bring in a form of law, invoking, a form of martial law, excuse me, invoking the never-before-used

00:03:35.380 emergencies act to suspend our civil liberties and even seize bank accounts. It was shocking.

00:03:42.320 One of the organizers of the trucker rebellion, Tamara Litch, was arrested and jailed for incitement

00:03:49.300 to commit mischief, the most trivial of offenses being caused for jailing really political prisoners

00:03:56.120 and seizing their bank accounts. Absolutely atrocious. The legal response by the truckers

00:04:02.740 and their supporters has not met with success. It's as if the courts, unlike in other countries,

00:04:09.080 ranging from New Zealand and the United States and Spain, where the courts have struck down the excesses

00:04:14.940 of lockdownism, there has yet to be a court ruling in Canada that in any substantial way rebukes the

00:04:22.080 governments, slows them down, and stands up for civil rights. It's been terrible. One of the lawyers

00:04:27.900 who has been representing the truckers, not only individual truckers, but the non-profit

00:04:35.680 corporation set up for the truckers, as well as representing Brian Peckford, the former Newfoundland

00:04:43.740 Labrador premier who's fighting against the lockdowns, who works for a great many of the

00:04:48.500 interests of the truckers, is Keith Wilson, QC, that stands for Queen Counsel, a senior lawyer. I actually

00:04:56.300 know Keith from law school way back in the day at the University of Alberta. He's supported by the

00:05:02.280 Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, and he's been battling the battle for the truckers

00:05:08.560 for well over a month, and I'm delighted to spend some time with him today as he joins us via Skype

00:05:16.080 from Edmonton. Keith, I hope I did you justice in my introduction and got it accurate. I think the

00:05:22.360 trucker... Thank you, Wes.

00:05:23.160 ...of the force, very important, and you are their legal eagle. Give us an update. What's the latest on

00:05:29.920 the truckers and the law? Well, in the last half hour, I just was served by the legal counsel for

00:05:40.720 the Attorney General of Ontario with a legal notice where the Ontario government is seeking to seize and

00:05:53.120 convert for its own use approximately $1.3 million in donations that Canadians made for the benefit of

00:06:06.240 the truckers and their freedom movement. So that's the most immediate recent event. Yesterday's events were

00:06:14.560 that the Ottawa police have expanded the number of charges against Tamara Leach and Chris Barber from

00:06:26.960 counselling mischief to now counselling intimidation and counselling obstruction of police.

00:06:37.040 So that's the most recent as of the last 20 hours.

00:06:43.760 Is Tamara Leach in custody right now? Is Chris Barber in custody right now?

00:06:49.360 No, neither of them are in custody. Chris was released after one day. Tamara was held as...

00:07:00.320 There's only one way to describe this and be accurate. She was a political prisoner. 0.86

00:07:04.400 She was a political prisoner for 19 days. And with the criminal counsel team, we have a number of

00:07:12.640 teams of lawyers with the Justice Center and external counsel. As you know, Ezra, I'm an independent

00:07:19.920 boutique litigator, have my own law firm, Wilson Law Office, but I'm on contract to the Justice Center

00:07:25.680 for Constitutional Freedoms. And so, yeah, with some of the criminal lawyer team that we have,

00:07:33.440 we were able to do a bail review and get Tamara out after having spent 19 days in jail. However, 0.93

00:07:41.440 if you read the bail conditions that she's under, it would make Vladimir Putin proud.

00:07:50.000 What I mean by that is her bail conditions prevent her from things that on their surface may not seem

00:07:58.880 so dramatic, but she's not allowed to use social media in any kind of way, despite the fact that 0.98

00:08:03.920 she's a mother and a grandmother. So she can't use Facebook with her grandkids and so on.

00:08:09.680 She can't, but it keeps going. And it says she cannot do anything to publicly advocate against COVID-19

00:08:20.000 policies and restrictions, and she cannot do anything to promote or support freedom truckers

00:08:26.320 and freedom. So if she does those things, she's supposed to go back to jail. So Volani, the Putin's 0.82

00:08:34.960 chief critic who's in jail, was able a couple of weeks ago to call on Russians from jail to protest in

00:08:41.760 the streets of the war in Ukraine. He was able to give lists of oligarchs to foreign governments.

00:08:49.440 But Tamara Litch has been transferred from a cement jail cell to a virtual jail cell where she's 1.00

00:08:58.320 completely muzzled and is completely inappropriate. Yesterday, we announced that we had initiated the 0.64

00:09:05.200 legal teams with the funding support of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. We launched a

00:09:11.840 formal appeal and review of those bail conditions in an effort to get this gag order lifted.

00:09:18.000 You know what? I'm shocked, but I'm no longer surprised to hear of political gag orders like that.

00:09:26.000 The Democracy Fund assists Arthur Pawlowski, a strong-willed Christian pastor in Calgary.

00:09:36.640 And a judge named Adam Germain put similar conditions on him a few months ago, including that any time

00:09:44.560 Pastor Arthur would give a sermon, make a Facebook post, do a media interview criticizing COVID policies,

00:09:51.280 he immediately had to then take out this little card written by the judge and basically read a

00:09:58.800 self-denunciation and the judge's point of view. Like, that's pure Soviet, Maoist, Orwellian, 0.53

00:10:08.000 you know, crime thing. If you have the wrong thoughts, you have to renounce them. That has been

00:10:14.800 temporarily stated in Alberta, but it sounds like that's the status quo for Tamara Litch. Now, does that apply 0.98

00:10:21.680 nationwide? I understand she lives in Medicine Hat, Alberta. I presume she's home by now.

00:10:26.160 So even in Medicine Hat, she's bound by some Ottawa judge, I presume, saying she can't. Correct.

00:10:32.560 So she can't say anything in Medicine Hat to criticize COVID policy just at all. That's somehow now,

00:10:42.240 if she does, she's going back to jail. Correct.

00:10:45.520 I find that. It's unbelievable. And it's, you know, it's one of the

00:10:53.040 more high-profile volunteers who went to Ottawa to help with the trucker protest is,

00:10:59.200 and he's been on a number of programs, and you should definitely interview him if you get a chance.

00:11:02.880 He's an amazing human being and an amazing Canadian. His name's Tom Marazzo, and he's a

00:11:07.840 former captain in the Canadian Armed Forces. And he went there once he saw, because he,

00:11:14.480 in his more recent career, he was a teacher at a community college, and he ended up losing his job

00:11:20.320 because he exercised his choice of bodily autonomy, and informed consent and decided not to get

00:11:27.520 vaccinated. So here he is, lost his job, he goes there to help. And he was instrumental,

00:11:34.400 given his military background, and he was one of his jobs that he took was to make sure that the

00:11:40.320 emergency lanes were always open, despite the media's characterization of a blockade. There was

00:11:47.120 always free movement, except in downtown Ottawa, as you would have saw when you were there, except

00:11:51.520 for the police were blocking the roads. But he was one of the people who had his bank account frozen.

00:11:58.240 And he pointed out his crime was a thought crime. That was it. He was thinking the wrong thoughts,

00:12:07.040 according to this government, and therefore they punished him without any due process or substantive

00:12:13.200 evidence froze his bank accounts. And potentially, you know, for a period of time there put his life

00:12:18.480 in a very serious situation. His wife couldn't pay for daycare, they couldn't pay the dentist.

00:12:23.040 Others couldn't get prescriptions filled, couldn't put gas in the car. So we're in a very strange,

00:12:30.000 dark time in our country, where the rule of law is out the window. The charter is completely ignored.

00:12:37.600 The most powerful, oppressive statutory tool of the Emergencies Act, the successors to the War

00:12:46.400 Measures Act is used on a whim. And we really got to fight back.

00:12:53.760 Keith, you mentioned this man who not only had his bank account frozen, but obviously,

00:12:59.360 a lot of married people have a joint bank account with their families that they pay everything from

00:13:03.600 rent to groceries to, as you mentioned, dental appointments. You mentioned Tomarazzo in particular,

00:13:11.440 and I'm sure you know other people who've had their bank accounts seized or frozen.

00:13:15.680 Have they been unfrozen? If any money is being seized, has it been returned to them?

00:13:21.920 The all the people that I've been doing work for who have had their bank accounts frozen,

00:13:31.120 have had the accounts unfrozen. And with the exception of donated funds,

00:13:40.560 none of them have had their money seized. Now, I tell you, it's atrocious that the government of

00:13:48.640 Ontario wants to take money donated in good faith by ordinary Canadians for the truckers. And it was

00:13:57.440 surely donated for their peaceful political protest. You know, if there were, if there were parking

00:14:04.240 tickets or if there was anything worse, which I don't think there was much worse. There was,

00:14:08.240 there was no violence certainly anywhere. And you know, despite these new charges of quote,

00:14:13.840 counseling that you say, Chris Barber and Tamir Lich have, you know, it seems like an awfully big

00:14:19.440 stretch to seize donations from thousands and thousands of ordinary people, 20 bucks, 50 bucks,

00:14:28.000 100 bucks that were obviously meant for peaceful protest. And to, to basically try and, you know,

00:14:36.480 know, expropriate that money as a, it's a, it's a, it's a patent political collective punishment to me.

00:14:44.160 That's, I mean, that's what I would say. How does the Ontario government justify it?

00:14:50.320 Well, and it's not just a punishment. It's intimidating. It's intimidation, right? Like they're

00:14:55.840 trying to, you know, it's, we're not allowed to have a view contrary to the government narrative.

00:15:04.080 That appears to be the thing, um, which is just something that should send a shiver up every

00:15:11.280 Canadian spine that they could do this. And you even remember when it first came out, uh, Freeland,

00:15:20.560 the deputy prime minister, finance minister said, you know, she was giddy about how they were going

00:15:25.680 to use this power, uh, against Canadians and how she talked about how they were going to

00:15:34.080 looking at making it permanent. The same time, the then acting police chief of Ottawa was saying

00:15:41.760 in his press conferences, look it up. You'll see it that, you know, the zeal with which he was

00:15:48.000 announcing that we're continuing to investigate and we're going to go after the donors next.

00:15:52.880 And, you know, if you contribute in any way to this illegal blockade, blah, blah, blah.

00:15:56.800 If the protesters at this point, uh, you know, uh, retreat and go home, uh, are they going to be

00:16:03.520 getting sort of repercussions down the road? Are you going to be sort of actively pursuing

00:16:08.080 the people that you've been sort of documenting and filming who are still out there protesting?

00:16:12.880 What are your plans after this, uh, after the protest is over?

00:16:16.320 Thank you. It's a great question. And the simple answer is yes. If you are involved in this protest,

00:16:21.920 we will actively look to identify you and follow up with financial sanctions and criminal charges.

00:16:28.000 Absolutely. This investigation will go on for months to come. It has many, many different streams,

00:16:35.200 both from a federal, uh, financial level, from a provincial licensing level, from a criminal code

00:16:42.240 level, from a municipal breach of court order, breach of court injunction level. It will be a

00:16:48.800 complicated and time consuming, um, investigation that will go on for a period of time. You have my

00:16:55.760 commitment that that investigation will continue and we will hold people accountable for taking our

00:17:01.440 streets over. Just we've clearly, I don't know what more example someone needs of the fact that Canada

00:17:09.920 has slipped into authority, an authoritarian state. And, uh, uh, yeah, I, I think it's very troubling.

00:17:20.880 And, uh, the speed with which Trudeau and Freeland in particular have pivoted from invoking a form of

00:17:28.080 martial law and seizing the bank accounts of political opponents in Canada to then pointing at Russia and

00:17:35.840 criticizing Putin for the same thing is quite, quite astonishing. Um, let me ask you, how have the

00:17:42.320 banks been to deal with on the one hand, you know, banks are heavily regulated. They're almost in some

00:17:48.800 ways, uh, quasi crown agencies. I mean, they're, they're so regulated and they have certain special

00:17:54.480 privileges. I can understand why a bank would be compliant if there was an order, but I suppose a

00:18:00.880 bank could also lawyer up and, and object and say that this is contrary to, um, privacy laws, contrary

00:18:07.840 to the rule of law, um, contrary to the reputation that forms so much of a bank's, uh, credits. Like

00:18:17.760 you have to believe that the bank won't seize your money, that the bank won't fail, that the bank won't

00:18:21.760 hand your money to Trudeau. Have you seen what, or let me ask this, have you had any interactions with

00:18:28.800 the banks themselves and have they expressed any reluctance or any resistance or any opposition to

00:18:36.000 this, or are they gleeful participants? Okay. So I've been directly involved. Um, let me just step back and

00:18:46.240 illuminate some things here that you'll find both interesting and alarming. Um, when the financial

00:18:54.720 measures order under the emergency act came out, it placed banks, any financial institution

00:19:05.840 and not just them, but anybody that engages in securities such as RBC, Dominion securities,

00:19:13.360 or someone else that holds your RRSPs and your stocks, insurance companies and others,

00:19:21.280 it placed them under a positive legal obligation to go through their membership list or their,

00:19:27.040 their customer list and see if anybody who was a designated person was on this list that the

00:19:34.000 government created was in there. And if a designated person was a customer of TD bank or Scotiabank or a

00:19:42.640 credit union, they bank became under a positive legal duty to, um, um, no longer provide financial services.

00:19:52.400 So no bank account, no credit card, no mortgage, no line of credit, et cetera. Okay.

00:20:00.560 So, well, how does one become a designated person? Um, I received the list.

00:20:08.480 It's over a hundred pages long and it has the evidence. All of my clients appear in the first 20 pages

00:20:18.000 and it has on the left-hand side as the OPP and the RCMP logos all over it. And I, this police officer

00:20:24.800 investigated this and here's what I found. And I believe these people are all designated persons.

00:20:30.160 And it has a little picture, thumbnail picture on the left and their date of birth and their personal

00:20:34.320 information, their address description about who they are, what they do in any remarkable comments,

00:20:38.800 which were really weird, the comments they picked, but anyway, and then you get to the last page of

00:20:45.200 part one and it has the evidence, evidentiary source. Okay. So where did they gather this evidence from

00:20:53.040 to conclude that these people were so serious of a threat to Canada's national security that they had

00:20:59.920 to invoke the war measures, the equivalent of the war measures act? What, what, what evidence

00:21:04.160 investigative activity do they gather? I kid you not. It says source CTV news, who's who in the

00:21:12.960 freedom convoy. And it has the hyper. Oh my God. So this, this police investigator

00:21:19.200 didn't even have to put his donut down, sat at his desk, went click, click, click, cut, paste. Okay.

00:21:27.520 So the fact that some reporter or somebody at CTV news saw you on a stage, uh, at the freedom

00:21:40.080 protest, or saw you talking to a trucker or saw you in a news conference that they put on

00:21:46.320 was enough for you to appear in that list and enough to have your finances frozen.

00:21:53.200 Well, you know, senior representative on that. I spoke on that trucker stage. I don't know

00:21:59.120 if you recall, I got up there and gave like a three minute, uh, salutation. Uh, I guess I'm

00:22:05.040 like, um, CTV's hit list or I myself would have had my bank account frozen.

00:22:12.480 Isn't it remarkable? Like I'm, uh, Ezra, I'm happy to share with you, uh, in confidence,

00:22:17.040 the document, so you can verify what I've just said and you'll be blown away because there's other

00:22:21.840 aspects. I would very much like to see that. Is that, um, uh, am I able to publish that? Or is

00:22:28.560 that, does that come with some, uh, limits to its publication? Cause that, I mean, I wouldn't

00:22:33.360 want to embarrass the, the, the people on that, uh, document. Yeah, that's my concern.

00:22:39.600 Yeah, no, I'm, I'm happy to share it, but I don't want to share it in a way that

00:22:43.680 can be led to some left wing nut bar Antifa's doxing my clients, if you know what I mean. 0.95

00:22:50.240 If you send me that, I promise not to reveal the identities of anyone on there, but to, if I,

00:22:56.480 I will obscure the identity, I will show the absurdness of the document as if it's as you

00:23:01.840 describe it, which I'm sure it is. That's shocking to me. Um, so basically some cop reads a CTV story

00:23:09.920 and puts all those names on a list. And then before you know it, banks are, are seizing their

00:23:14.480 bank accounts. It's just shocking to me. And what does it mean to not provide a financial

00:23:19.280 service for a mortgage? Does that mean they call in the mortgage? Like, what does that even mean?

00:23:24.240 So suddenly you pay the mortgage. Yeah. And not only that, which was interesting. If you read again,

00:23:32.160 read the, uh, the economic measures proclamation that was issued by the cabinet when they issued

00:23:41.520 the emergency declaration under the emergencies app, and you will see that it also extends to

00:23:47.200 insurance companies. I, I did see that. Are we aware of anyone who's had, I mean, does that apply

00:23:53.840 to like life insurance or? Well, that's a good question. And in our legal team, we said that,

00:23:59.120 does this mean they can cancel your life insurance policy? So I think what happened there was unlike

00:24:03.600 the banks that said, okay, sure. Trudeau, we'll go help you. Uh, we'll be your financial goons

00:24:09.520 against Canadians to help save you and your political power. I, I, I got to think the insurance

00:24:17.520 company said, we can't do this. Uh, cause they didn't, I have no, no instance where they did that.

00:24:23.840 So even though if you read it, you will see with crystal clarity that it's there now, hang on.

00:24:31.440 So the bankers were asked to testify before the house of commons, uh, committee on finance,

00:24:38.480 and they were asked to testify before the house of commons committee on, uh, public safety and

00:24:45.680 something related to that. I forget it's fancy full name, but anybody can go and go online, go to these,

00:24:53.120 these, uh, committee meetings were to, were recorded. There's transcripts and you can see

00:24:57.920 what I'm saying. The senior representative for the Canadian bankers association testify

00:25:03.840 that if, cause one of the questions from one of the MPs is what long lasting effects,

00:25:07.840 cause they confirmed that they had at that point lifted all the freezes at what long lasting effect.

00:25:13.760 Um, and the banker confirmed that these customers would be marked for life. Yeah.

00:25:22.000 Well, that's, that was their testimony, not mine. So, you know, we've really,

00:25:27.360 we've really transitioned into a free, from a free country into one of authoritarianism where you can be

00:25:35.440 ruined at the whim of the political masters and through their agents.

00:25:39.760 Now I remember reviewing that emergency, uh, order and it applied to

00:25:44.480 foreign banks that were registered to do business in Canada too. So for example, a lot of big American

00:25:49.680 banks, um, are you aware that any American banks follow this? Cause I, uh, I gotta believe

00:25:55.440 that if you're an American bank, um, and you're told to freeze the account of

00:26:01.680 an American trucker who drives up from the States, you're thinking, well, do I follow the banana republic

00:26:07.840 edict of, uh, Justin Trudeau and comply with his emergency law, but put myself at odds with American

00:26:15.840 laws, not just privacy and other banking laws, but the first amendment, cause this so clearly

00:26:21.200 violates political freedom and free speech. I, I have no, I have not seen evidence that any American 0.98

00:26:28.720 bank complied and I'm really glad of that, but maybe they did. Are you aware of anything like that?

00:26:32.800 I'm not, uh, that's a good question. Um, I'm not aware either way. So I don't know whether they refused

00:26:39.920 to comply or whether they did comply, but here's what I do know. When this was happening and the

00:26:46.160 freezes were occurring and the police chief was talking about going after the donors, uh, people who

00:26:53.760 donated, keep in mind, that's what were 133,000 Canadians donated. And the average donation to give

00:27:00.560 send go that hit as much as 12.7 million, 12.7 million dollars in donations. The average donation

00:27:09.040 was $75. So what happened was, and this was confirmed last week by the president of the

00:27:18.960 Canadian credit union association and testimony and finance committee, sorry, it was earlier this week,

00:27:24.240 uh, uh, that that was confirmed, uh, that there was a run on the banks. People got concerned that

00:27:30.400 if they'd made a donation, that their accounts would be frozen. I even sent my wife down to the 0.99

00:27:35.280 bank and said, Hey, go take out some money. Like we're going to have to live if they freeze our

00:27:39.360 accounts. So we, she took a bunch of cash out and, um, uh, and she said, there was a big lineup and

00:27:46.000 there was lots of people leaving with, with, with bags, um, in the testimony to the, to the house

00:27:52.640 committee this week, the, uh, her name's Martha, uh, burden, uh, D U R D I N president, CEO of the

00:28:02.160 credit unions. She said that their members experienced a cash run with many customers taking out tens of

00:28:10.480 thousands or hundreds of thousands. And in some instances, millions, that was her testimony.

00:28:18.000 If you research, there's a, I saw a tweet where there's an actual site that monitors cash flow in

00:28:24.880 and out of banks and you look at it, it's spiked. So what happened was there was a run on the banks

00:28:30.560 because Canadians got concerned that because they donated $10 or $20 or a hundred dollars that their

00:28:37.200 accounts were going to be frozen. The other thing that I'm told and have good information on is that

00:28:42.640 many people opened up alternative bank accounts. Right. So what started to happen was I, I'm hoping

00:28:49.920 the banks sort of went, Oh, wait a minute. Maybe we, we, uh, overreacted here because they've really

00:28:56.720 damaged their brand. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Here we thought a bank would be there to protect me,

00:29:01.280 the customer, and that's not what they did. Yeah. Keith, I want to ask you a question about who

00:29:07.040 whose bank accounts were seized. You mentioned the case of an organizer or activist, Tom Marazzo,

00:29:12.480 and of course we know Tamera Litch and some others. Those were people like you say that CTV

00:29:19.040 did a story about. So they would have been on location. They would have been truckers or trucker

00:29:23.520 organizers. Were any people who were just donors, are you aware of any of them having their bank

00:29:30.560 accounts seized or was it just the activists? Like did any, any givers or gift givers, were they seized either?

00:29:36.000 From what I've been able to ascertain and the information that comes across

00:29:41.440 my inbox and those that I interact with, um, on the ground and the various legal teams we have

00:29:47.840 working. No, I have not seen an instance where someone donated money. And just because of that,

00:29:56.560 their bank account was frozen. So if there was some, uh, retired veteran in Lethbridge,

00:30:02.320 Alberta that donated $25. I have not seen that type of a person had, uh, their bank account,

00:30:09.920 um, uh, frozen, but you know, there's nothing to stop them from doing that. That's what's so

00:30:18.000 disturbing. This is disturbing on so many levels. The, the order was, um, rescinded when Trudeau saw that

00:30:25.520 it might not make it through the Senate. But as you say, Chrystia Freeland had said some of the powers

00:30:30.960 that they exercised during that state of emergency, they would like to make them permanent, ongoing.

00:30:36.160 Um, is it, um, is it possible for this seizing or freezing to happen right now? As far as you're

00:30:44.240 aware, could, could we ever see a case where a cop reads this, reads a media story, tells a bank to

00:30:51.520 seize the money and it happens without a legal process, without a hearing, without like, is that

00:30:58.080 a live legal possibility right now? Yes. Yes. How? Yes. Under, um, well, I just got, I, you know,

00:31:08.400 we opened, uh, the interview by you asking me for the most recent, and I've informed you that over an

00:31:15.280 hour ago, I just got served with a civil forfeiture notification from the attorney general of Ontario

00:31:21.600 under the criminal code, where they're treating, uh, donations and money as proceeds of crime and

00:31:30.880 alleging, uh, that they were used for illegal activity. So they have, the government's demonstrated

00:31:38.480 that they will use their broad powers under various tools and use mere allegation as a means of

00:31:48.480 seizing bank accounts and monies. Now, I remember when first there was GoFundMe and they were pressured

00:31:57.200 into re, uh, reneging and canceling. First, they wanted to give it to recipients of their choice,

00:32:04.640 but then under pressure from Americans, really, they just refunded the donations. So then the truckers

00:32:10.800 went to Give, Send, Go, which is a smaller, uh, crowd funder. I don't think they were quite as

00:32:16.560 established. I don't think they were, well, I mean, in one way I know that they were not as secure

00:32:22.480 because a hacker hacked the donation. Listen, I want to play you a clip from one of the most terrifying

00:32:28.960 people I've ever seen, a self-described hacker who in his videos shows compelling proof that it really

00:32:36.560 was him who hacked it. Not just that he claimed, uh, responsibility for it, but he shows, um, some

00:32:44.000 screenshots that suggest he really did do it. Take a look at this Canadian hacker who says he hacked

00:32:50.400 it with the green light of Canadian law. Take a look.

00:33:02.960 Nothing scares me. Nothing.

00:33:08.160 Yes, I doxed the truckers. I did it. It was me. I hacked Give, Send, Go, baby. And I'd do it again.

00:33:15.200 I do it a hundred times. I did it. I did it. Come at me. What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do to me? Huh?

00:33:30.800 I hacked Epic Hosting. I hacked Barler. I hacked Gab. I hacked Truth Social. I hacked Go, Give, Send, Go. I don't care.

00:33:50.800 I am. You can literally put my name into the news tab on Google and you can find everything I've done.

00:34:05.280 I am literally in every mainstream media publication for the things that I do.

00:34:10.800 I'm not an unknown actor. I'm literally a famous fucking cyber terrorist. And you think that you can scare me? 0.99

00:34:20.800 No.

00:34:31.840 See, they always default to the pedophile accusations. They always default to that because they have nothing else.

00:34:37.760 It's actually some projection. That guy, I want to see his browser history. That guy loves little girls.

00:34:42.880 I have hunted pedophiles. I've outed pedophile rings online. I have gotten pedophiles arrested 0.87

00:34:51.280 You have no idea who the hell I am. 1.00

00:34:58.960 There isn't proof of shit, you fucking lying little cunt. 1.00

00:35:02.240 I want to die. I'm gonna restart this live. Come back. 1.00

00:35:11.760 Honey pots. How do they work? 0.92

00:35:13.520 Keith, I've never seen such a bone chilling moment. Not that I haven't seen madness or evil before.

00:35:21.200 But what was scary about this guy

00:35:23.760 is not that he hacked something. There's always hackers. There's always criminals.

00:35:28.240 But that he said he has done this with the approval, if not the direction of Canadian authorities.

00:35:35.280 And the timing of this hack was perfect. It coincided with the emergencies act.

00:35:42.880 It coincided with the media calling everyone on the list.

00:35:47.520 It's like the way this list was hacked, then published, made public and handed to the media for

00:35:54.960 their direct political action. I've never seen such an operation like that.

00:36:00.000 And to see this madman who claimed who claimed credibly that he did it and then claimed I don't

00:36:07.200 know how credibly that he was given permission by the cops and he has not yet been arrested for this.

00:36:15.520 It rings true. What do you think of that?

00:36:17.520 Well, and his identity is well known. So it's not like they don't know who it is.

00:36:25.040 Ezra, we had when I was on the ground with the team of lawyers and working directly with the

00:36:30.000 volunteers and the organizers and, you know, the freedom fighters, truckers, the instances that we

00:36:37.840 experienced where there was collaboration to the point of collusion as between the media,

00:36:45.040 the government, the police and other players was astounding. I can just give you a couple of really quick

00:36:53.040 examples. So, um, it was, it was information that the city of Ottawa and the Ottawa city police gave to

00:37:04.800 GoFundMe that caused them to pull the pin on the $10 million of donations that GoFundMe had received

00:37:13.440 and to announce that they were going to give it to some other group. And we all knew that that meant

00:37:17.680 Antifa or BLM or something. Um, and the, the, the evidence that GoFundMe received was from the media

00:37:31.120 and the police repeating media stories and the media repeating police talking about media stories.

00:37:37.440 At that same time, as so there was one Friday, it was, uh, just let me look at my calendar here real

00:37:45.760 quick to get my head back to this, but it was, uh, the one, the Friday, when they announced that they

00:37:50.800 were pulling the GoFundMe, the whole series of orchestrated events occurred. And it was, uh, Friday,

00:37:57.120 the 4th, February 4th. And here's what happened. So first the police chief called the press conference at

00:38:03.280 about two o'clock and he announced that they had tripled the number, significantly increased the

00:38:09.040 number of, of police on the ground, that they were going to change their tactics that they'd been using

00:38:14.880 physical and electronic, uh, intelligence and collaboration with CSIS, other intelligence

00:38:21.440 agencies, the intelligence branches of the OPP, the RCMP and their own police force. And he talked in

00:38:27.600 very aggressive language. I think you even covered it at the time about how there was going to be this

00:38:32.000 huge crackdown and it wasn't sounding good. He was angry and it was not the type of language you would

00:38:38.560 expect from a police official in Canada. It's what you would expect in a, in a, in a, in a tin pot

00:38:43.920 dictatorship. Um, I came from one hotel meeting to another. And when I went in the, the, the difference

00:38:51.520 in police presence on the ground from when I went into that meeting and came out was unbelievable.

00:38:56.320 We knew something was looked like it was about to happen. Then within the hour, uh, go fund me,

00:39:03.600 even though we had been in direct discussions and correspondence with their lawyers and their

00:39:08.000 most senior executives the day prior, showing them that this was a completely legitimate charity,

00:39:13.680 charity, all of the proper banking and other corporate law arrangements were fully in place.

00:39:18.960 Everything was subject to audit due process. And we had an accountant working on things as well

00:39:23.680 as five lawyers. Um, they announced not to us, but to the world that they were canceling

00:39:30.320 the donation platform for the freedom truckers and going to divert the monies to a third party.

00:39:36.080 And then within the next hour, I was served with a $10 million class action lawsuit from a personal

00:39:43.600 injury lawyer. Um, and it was based on information and made references to work in collaboration with

00:39:52.560 the police. And within that class action lawsuit, legal service documents, I was served with an

00:39:59.360 emergency injunction application, which was going to be heard the next day, Saturday at one o'clock.

00:40:05.760 And you know how hard it is to get those. And when I went to defend that injunction application,

00:40:11.840 the next day, uh, the lawyer made application or indicated that the, the lawyer for the police

00:40:19.760 wanted to participate in the hearing, even though they weren't a party because they'd been heavily

00:40:24.080 involved and they'd been collaborating with the police on how this injunction was going to be

00:40:27.920 enforced. So that's just one little snippet. And, uh, it happened throughout the 19 days that I was on

00:40:34.320 the ground and it continues to happen to this day with this order that I was just served with or this

00:40:38.640 noise of application. I just served within the last couple of hours. So what you've just described

00:40:43.600 there was the media, the police, private lawyers of fortune, and even the courts agreeing to a rare

00:40:55.840 emergency Saturday hearing, all in collusion that, you know what I, that really is terrifying. I really do

00:41:05.520 feel I've used this analogy before, like a net. The great thing about a net when you're using a net

00:41:12.240 for fishing or whatever is if one knot in the net breaks, that's fine. All the rest of the knots hold

00:41:17.280 and then the net does what it does. You can even have a few, maybe even half the net at knots in the

00:41:23.520 net. But if all of the knots break at once, all of the checks and balances in society, if they all fail

00:41:30.480 at the same time, if the lawyers and the judges and the police and the media, and I don't know,

00:41:37.360 the College of Physicians and Surgeons and the banks and the bank regulators and, and, and, and,

00:41:43.600 if the entire establishment, if all those knots break at the same time, then, then everything breaks,

00:41:50.960 the whole system breaks. And it truly becomes a tyranny. And you have cops. I remember that,

00:41:57.840 that police chief's bellicose statement. I've never seen a policeman talk like that before.

00:42:04.320 And, and to see Trudeau demonize people and, and the lust that they had, I mean, that truly was a

00:42:13.200 flicker of a banana republic. I won't say that Canada is unfree, but I'll say that we're only partly free.

00:42:20.640 And that that's very sad to me. Well, I'd say that we're definitely only partly free. And I would say

00:42:27.680 that our, our freedoms are evaporating before our eyes with these authoritarian activities. I mean,

00:42:35.600 the number of instances I witnessed of government overreach was remarkable. Can I give you another

00:42:42.240 example? Yes, of course. So when the prime minister announced the emergencies act, you know,

00:42:50.160 the war measures act that the previous instances of it being instigated were things like world wars and

00:43:00.080 the FLQ crisis, where there were bombings and kidnappings of elected officials and terrible

00:43:07.360 activities occurring. And of course, you know, you know, did the truckers air and go too far in

00:43:14.400 bringing jumpy castles. Maybe that was the, you know, or was it the hot tubs or was it the spontaneous

00:43:20.560 road hockey games? Or maybe it was the Quebecer with the Quebec flag draped over him, like a cape,

00:43:28.960 hugging the Albertan with an Alberta head, a flag. Maybe that was the threat. I don't know. I've never

00:43:35.280 seen such unity in Canadian pride, but the, um, the actual proclamation has wording in it that says

00:43:47.200 that nothing in the emergency proclamation makes unlawful public assembly for political dissent,

00:43:57.120 advocacy, um, and some other term that's not off the tip of my tongue, but then the actual

00:44:06.960 order itself, and just bear with me for a second here, this will become clear says

00:44:13.920 describes who was not allowed to go to downtown Ottawa describes who was this just before they

00:44:19.520 started beating up Canadians and arresting them describes who was not allowed to be there. Okay. 0.99

00:44:26.880 If you don't meet the criteria, I'm about to describe the order said the emergency order

00:44:32.560 from the federal government said that you were allowed to be there. And where I'm going with this

00:44:37.840 is what the police were saying publicly and the politicians is not what the actual legal order said.

00:44:43.760 The writers of this knew they couldn't do what the politicians were saying and they didn't put it

00:44:48.560 into law. So here's what it says. It says, you can't go to downtown Ottawa and engage in a public assembly.

00:44:53.840 And if you do your, it's an illegal assembly. If you're going to cause a serious disruption,

00:45:01.760 there's three things, a serious disruption of the movement of persons or goods or a serious

00:45:05.600 interference with trade. So if you're going to interfere with trade and those things,

00:45:09.520 you can't go to downtown Ottawa. And if you do, it's an illegal, an illegal protest. Well,

00:45:14.000 no one was doing that in downtown Ottawa. You can't interfere with the functioning of

00:45:18.160 critical infrastructure. No one was doing that. And thirdly, get this, the, uh, the support of the

00:45:25.280 threat or the use of acts of serious violence against persons or property support threat or

00:45:32.000 use of acts of serious violence against persons or property. So if you're going there to engage

00:45:37.440 at all, why, why did they put the word serious in there? So minor acts of violence are okay. Like,

00:45:42.800 anyhow, the important point is, is that in order for the assembly to be unlawful, you had to be

00:45:48.160 interfering with trade, interfering with infrastructure or engaging in, in violence

00:45:51.600 against people or person. If you were not doing any of those things, you were allowed to be in

00:45:56.400 downtown Ottawa and what you were doing was not illegal. So when the interim police chief, the second

00:46:02.080 one announced the crack in and said that everybody who goes into downtown Ottawa will be participating in

00:46:08.640 a legal protest. Me and five other lawyers that examined this and all the other emergency orders

00:46:14.080 that were in place at the time. And the injunction said that's not at legally accurate. Uh, Canadians 1.00

00:46:19.760 still have the right of assembly. The preamble to the order even says they still have the right of

00:46:23.440 assembly and, and in political dissent. Um, so, and then they created this red zone and they put up a

00:46:31.440 hundred, um, blockades or, or into downtown so that Canadians couldn't flood into downtown to,

00:46:38.080 to, to support the truckers. Um, uh, that was on the Thursday, Friday, uh, as the, at, in the end

00:46:45.600 where they got, where the government got violent. And so we issued a cease and desist letter to the

00:46:51.360 police chief, the interim police chief pointing out that he needed to get immediate legal advice,

00:46:55.280 that his public statements were inaccurate, that the emergency order was absolutely clear that

00:47:00.720 Canadians had the right to continue to go downtown. The truckers continued to have the right to be

00:47:06.080 there. And the only instance they didn't is if they were going to breach one of these three things,

00:47:10.960 which nobody was planning on doing, but it didn't matter. So we've entered a realm where,

00:47:17.840 you know, the rule of law seems to be out the window, the rhetoric of politicians and government

00:47:22.880 officials prevails, and a whole bunch of Canadians got beat up and assaulted by police officers.

00:47:28.880 Um, while they were in full compliance with their charter rights and not even in breach of the

00:47:36.000 emergency order. Yeah. One of those people who was beat up was our own reporter, Alexa Lavois, 1.00

00:47:41.680 who was actually shot in the leg. Uh, and I think, uh, I mean, we're suing, um, the RCMP and the Ottawa

00:47:49.520 police over that, but, uh, based on what you've described to me today, I should expect that the judges,

00:47:55.280 uh, will defeat and dismiss our lawsuit, uh, because it, it has not escaped my notice that in

00:48:04.400 two years of the pandemic and the lockdown, I cannot point to a single, uh, important or substantive,

00:48:14.400 uh, legal case in any jurisdiction that has in any way limited the scope of government. There was one

00:48:20.960 family law case in Ontario that had some nice things to say about people who were vaccine

00:48:26.800 hesitant, but that, you know, was a lower court case dealing with one particular family going

00:48:35.760 through a divorce. Um, I haven't seen any lockdown, any gag order, any health order, the curfew in Quebec,

00:48:46.720 the no-fly zone, the, the quarantine hotels. I haven't seen a single important element of the

00:48:54.640 authoritarianism stopped by a court. Am I missing something? Have you seen a court win out there

00:48:59.920 at all? Uh, there is the one in Ontario you mentioned, and there are some from the U S and some

00:49:06.640 Oh, the U S has shut down and New Zealand and Spain. Oh yeah. Oh, other countries. Sure. But I'm in

00:49:14.320 Canada. I haven't seen the single court, uh, act as a check and balance. That's a pretty big knot

00:49:18.800 in the net to fail. Well, and I agree, but I haven't given up. You know me well enough to know

00:49:27.360 that I don't do that very well. And I really hope for your, for your case with Brian Peckford,

00:49:31.920 the, uh, the no-fly zone case, it's a wonderful lawsuit. And I think you've got a real chance there,

00:49:36.480 but I'm just saying so far, our judges may as well have been on vacation.

00:49:40.560 Well, the charter certainly doesn't seem to be worth anything either. Does it?

00:49:45.040 Yeah. And that's very distressing. I mean, uh, I, I, I, I made a joke that, uh, that I was going to

00:49:51.600 sue my law school, I guess our old law school, because when I took constitutional law, they,

00:49:57.920 they, they misled me into believing that it was a substantive document of rights that meant something.

00:50:03.920 And clearly they were wrong. I'm being sarcastic in a cynical way, but, um, it's important that we

00:50:12.880 continue to fight for civil liberties and freedoms, obviously, and that we continue to do it in every

00:50:19.120 lawful and respectful and peaceful forum that we have. And one of those is the courts. I'm really

00:50:26.400 pleased with the legal team that I'm working with at the justice center for constitutional freedoms.

00:50:30.800 We have phenomenal medical experts. We have Dr. McCullough, Dr. Bridle that have prepared

00:50:36.560 incredible, uh, uh, expert medical reports in support of challenging the rationale for saying

00:50:43.680 that unvaccinated people can't fly in Canada and can't leave the country. You're a Canadian and you're

00:50:51.280 trapped in your own country. There's no other country in the world that is restricting its citizens

00:50:59.120 from getting on airplanes due to vaccination status, let alone the country with the second largest land

00:51:05.520 nets. Yeah. Yeah. Just incredible. Well, I got one last question for you, Keith. I mean,

00:51:10.560 I agree with you. I think you have to try, you have to go to court, you have to exhaust that.

00:51:16.400 I guess one last question is where are all the liberals? And I don't mean capital L liberal,

00:51:21.520 like the liberal party. I mean, people who thought, well, I, I'm not for police violence,

00:51:26.720 or I'm not for, you know, people who might've said my body, my choice. I don't, you know,

00:51:31.920 want the government to force me to do something with my own body or people who were skeptical of

00:51:36.160 big pharma or in the cases we've just been discussing for the last hour, people who are

00:51:42.560 skeptical of police. Where are the liberals who have always been skeptical of police and police brutality

00:51:49.440 and over policing? I guess, you know, I saw a liberal the other day complain that the truckers

00:51:55.360 have appropriated the Canadian flag as their symbol. And you would think that they would love that.

00:52:01.760 Where are the good liberals? I mean, the Canadian Civil Liberties Association woke up from its two

00:52:06.480 year slumber to say they didn't like the emergencies act. And then they went right back to bed.

00:52:11.520 Where are all the people who, for my whole life, have pretended to care about privacy and civil rights

00:52:20.800 and, and limited, you know, and the rule of law and reigning in police? Where are all those people?

00:52:27.120 Did they ever even mean it? Well, they're clearly bathing in a delusion of virtuousness.

00:52:35.360 They've concluded that they are so right about how the world should work and how individuals should

00:52:41.120 conduct their lives. There's nothing to debate. You just shall do what they say. And if you

00:52:48.960 have an issue with it and think that actually some of the things they're advocating are harmful,

00:52:53.680 discriminatory, unfair, unjust, well, they won't stand for it because they are the virtuous ones and we

00:53:01.680 are not. So we've, we've, we've, we've really, we've really descended into a very dark, dangerous place.

00:53:09.120 And I think it's very important that all Canadians have to take an interest in this and, and assert

00:53:16.160 the importance of civil liberties and compassion and understanding and diversity of views. And

00:53:23.920 we got to, we've got to try and regain the thing that I found meeting so many of the truckers in Ottawa

00:53:30.000 and the other incredible people who came there to volunteer and help was they were all there for

00:53:36.400 the same reason. All these people met in Ottawa. They didn't know one another in January. They didn't

00:53:41.280 know one another last year. They all just met because they looked at the future for their children,

00:53:47.280 for their families, for their communities, and for their province and their country. And they became

00:53:52.080 very concerned that we're going in a dangerous, wrong direction. They saw the energy and the hope

00:53:59.280 that the truckers ignited in their convoy across the country. And they were there to try and make

00:54:05.760 whatever difference they could to reverse the trend, to move us, to shift us from this descent

00:54:11.920 into authoritarianism, and to get us back on track of freedom and civil liberties. So we've just got

00:54:18.880 to keep doing that. We know that there's a growing number of Canadians who share this view. And we've

00:54:23.760 just got to keep working. And I'm going to keep working hard on my legal cases through the Justice

00:54:27.680 Centre. And I've been very pleased to be working collaboratively with the lawyers at the Democracy

00:54:33.600 Fund, an incredible group of lawyers there. And between all of our efforts, we've got to turn the tide

00:54:40.400 here. Well, Keith Wilson, it's great to see you. You've been a fighter for freedom ever since I met

00:54:47.920 you decades ago at the U of A Law School. What a delight to see you on this important file.

00:54:54.960 We love the Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms. We always talk about your cases. For

00:54:59.440 folks who want to learn more, go to jccf.ca. They could always use a few bucks if you got them to

00:55:07.360 help fight the good fights. Well, I hope you'll keep in touch with us. And we're very interested

00:55:11.920 in your work. And I know you were the lawyer who helped draft Brian Peckford's no-fly zone lawsuit,

00:55:17.760 which we went in great detail with, with Premier Peckford. So I'm very pleased with what you're doing.

00:55:24.720 I'm a little bit depressed, having learned what you've told me today about the additional charges

00:55:30.880 against some of the truckers about the new Ontario lawsuit, learning about how the banks did things

00:55:37.040 and the police. I won't lie. It's made me a little afraid. But I know that we have to fight back,

00:55:46.880 fight back peacefully, legally, politically, in our case, journalistically. And I'm glad you're

00:55:54.880 fighting for freedom, too. So thanks for spending the time with us.

00:55:57.680 Great to see you, Ezra. And thank you for having me on.

00:56:01.040 All right. Our pleasure. There you have it. Keith Wilson, QC, lawyer for the truckers.

00:56:06.160 Stay with us. My final thoughts are next.

00:56:20.080 Well, what do you think of Keith Wilson? He's promised to keep in touch with us.

00:56:23.680 It looks like things are escalating. They're actually bringing more charges

00:56:27.520 against Tamera Litch and Grandma. And the Ontario government is going to

00:56:32.000 de-finance its political opponents. That's the worst part of what's happened.

00:56:36.080 They're trying to terrify people. And I think they've succeeded to a degree.

00:56:40.800 Well, we'll keep following that. And I was pleased to hear that the JCCF is doing so well. And it was

00:56:45.280 nice to hear Keith Wilson say nice things about the Democracy Fund lawyers, too. There's a lot of people

00:56:49.760 trying to fight this tithe so far with a mixed success. But Keith says we have to keep fighting.

00:56:55.200 And I think he's right. Well, that's our show for today. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here

00:57:00.160 at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night. Keep fighting for free.

00:57:08.720 We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - March 29, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ INTERVIEW： Freedom Convoy lawyer Keith Wilson, Q.C.

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