Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT： Ireland jumps ahead in the race to have the most censorship in the free world

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. A new censorship law in Ireland. Oh, but it's for the common good,

00:00:05.280 they say. I'll take you through it and show you some of its promoters.

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00:00:30.000 Tonight, Ireland jumps ahead in the race to have the most censorship in the free world.

00:00:49.000 It's June 16th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:51.800 You're fighting for freedom! Shame on you, you censorious thug! 0.98

00:01:00.000 Listen to this short clip of a speech from Ireland's legislature. It's just 41 seconds 0.99

00:01:13.180 long. This is Green Party Senator Pauline O'Reilly.

00:01:17.100 When you think about it, all law, all legislation is about the restriction of freedom. That's exactly

00:01:24.120 what we're doing here, is we are restricting freedom, but we're doing it for the common

00:01:28.160 good. You will see throughout our Constitution, yes, you have rights, but they are restricted

00:01:33.840 for the common good. Everything needs to be balanced. And if your views on other people's

00:01:40.620 identities go to make their lives unsafe, insecure, and cause them such deep discomfort that they

00:01:50.100 cannot live in peace, then I believe that it is our job as legislators to restrict those freedoms

00:01:56.900 for the common good.

00:01:57.780 All law is about the restriction of freedom? Yeah, no, no, it's not. Most laws actually don't have anything

00:02:07.060 to do with freedom. If you skim Canada's Constitution Act, you can see all the things the law deals with.

00:02:13.620 unemployment insurance, postal service, census, the military, navigation and shipping, fisheries,

00:02:19.700 currency, coins, banks, weights and measures, bankruptcy, marriage, immigration, I'll stop there.

00:02:24.580 Now, of course, some of those absolutely do limit our freedoms. I mean, if you're jailed under the

00:02:30.820 criminal law provisions, that absolutely does limit your freedom of mobility, for example. And I'm not

00:02:36.740 here to say the government doesn't infringe our freedoms. It absolutely does, way too much. But

00:02:42.340 it is an insane thing to say that by definition, all laws are about shrinking your freedom. And that

00:02:49.620 she said it as if that was a happy point of it, that that was a quality, not a feature, not a bug.

00:02:56.420 That that's normal, it has to be accepted. She was happy about that. I mean, I suppose

00:03:00.580 every law does in a way limit our freedom, but not the way she meant it. And she was thrilled about

00:03:07.620 that. That's a bully's idea. It's a madman's idea, an authoritarian dictator's idea. There's someone,

00:03:15.780 that's someone who doesn't trust her friends and her neighbors, but wants to rule over them. 1.00

00:03:20.260 She says the word common good so many times it's like it's a magic spell, like it is sufficient to

00:03:28.580 say that before taking away your neighbor's rights. I'm doing this abracadabra for the common good.

00:03:35.220 You have to stay in your homes for months. You have to do that for the common good. You can't go to

00:03:39.620 school or work or to a park. You can't have a wedding or a funeral. You can't go to church for the common

00:03:44.580 good. You can't have your family over. You can't have Christmas dinner because of the common good.

00:03:48.580 Presto. And these tyrants alone will decide what is or isn't in the common good. We just lived through

00:03:54.260 three years of that and we found out it wasn't for the common good. It hurt the common good.

00:03:59.140 The lockdowns had no scientific basis or benefit. Neither did the masks and the vaccines certainly

00:04:04.100 didn't vaccinate. These people had no special knowledge. They just used COVID as the latest excuse

00:04:09.860 for the common good. They'll use climate as an excuse for the common good. Now you can see they're using

00:04:15.940 people's feelings as a reason to take away your rights. Did you catch that part where she said

00:04:21.220 if your views on other people's identities go to make their lives unsafe and insecure and cause them

00:04:28.180 such deep discomfort that they cannot live in peace, then you can restrict those freedoms. What?

00:04:33.220 What? So if you merely have views that are wrong in the eyes of the law, you must be restricted.

00:04:41.700 Views. If your views are wrong and she'll decide that. You heard her. Views about other people's

00:04:47.860 identities. What? You can't have an opinion because that will make other people uncomfortable, she says.

00:04:54.580 She said that. So you must have your freedom limited because your views cause someone else discomfort.

00:05:00.820 She said that. But what if they cause you discomfort too? Is only one side of a debate

00:05:07.780 allowed to cause discomfort and only one side, the other side of the debate required to endure

00:05:12.820 discomfort? This is madness. This is not law. This is totalitarianism in the name of safety. You know,

00:05:19.220 Jordan Peterson would say this is the modern manifestation of authoritarianism in a female way, 1.00

00:05:26.900 a different shade of bullying compared to the typical male authoritarianism, authoritarianism,

00:05:32.500 which we've had an eternity of experience. It's a more recent thing to see female totalitarians, 1.00

00:05:38.020 isn't it? But just think about what we went through during the lockdowns, Teresa Tam. Remember her?

00:05:44.260 If there are people who are non-compliant, there are definitely laws and public health

00:05:49.860 health powers that can quarantine people in mandatory settings. It's potential you could

00:05:58.100 track people, put bracelets on their arms, have police and other setups to ensure quarantine is

00:06:05.940 undertaken. It is better to be pre-emptive and precautionary and take the heat of people thinking

00:06:12.660 you might be overreactionary. Get ahead of the curve and then think about whether you've overreacted

00:06:20.260 later. But it's such a serious situation that I think decisive early action is the key.

00:06:26.260 Toronto's public health boss Eileen Davila, very butch, sending in the riot horses against her restaurant? 0.99

00:06:33.300 Alberta's Gina Hinshaw, expropriating, seizing a church and turning into an armed garrison. 0.98

00:06:49.700 V.C.'s Bonnie Henry, women can be as vicious as men, I'll have you know. They frame their bullying in 1.00

00:06:56.500 the same sort of way quite often as each other. This is about safety. This is about compassion.

00:07:03.380 It's a different way of being totalitarian than men typically are. I'm only hurting you because

00:07:09.220 I care more than you. I'm only being a bully because I'm more compassionate than you.

00:07:13.780 It's the common good that makes me do it. In fact, look, it is not for the common good and

00:07:19.220 all laws should not be about restricting freedom. May I direct your attention to Canada's basic law,

00:07:24.260 the Constitution, the Charter of Rights, or the U.S. Constitution, or the Magna Carta,

00:07:27.940 on which both were built. All the laws I just listed are about limiting government power,

00:07:34.020 not limiting citizens' freedom. The Magna Carta was about forcing limits onto a king.

00:07:40.500 Here's my favorite part of our Canadian Constitution. It's Section 2 of the Charter of

00:07:44.180 Rights, which is part of our Constitution. It's called Fundamental Freedoms. I'm going to read them

00:07:47.860 because I love them. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms. A, freedom of conscience

00:07:54.100 and religion. B, freedom of thought, belief, opinion, and expression, including freedom of the press

00:07:59.620 and other media of communication. C, freedom of peaceful assembly. And D, freedom of association.

00:08:05.380 Those are laws that strengthen people and limit the government. That's the kind of law I like.

00:08:11.140 By the way, the freedom they mean, freedom of association, freedom of speech, means freedom from

00:08:17.460 government, by the way. Here's another woman who wants the power to silence people because she cares 1.00

00:08:26.100 more than you. And this is how she shows it. This is Justice Minister Helen McKenty. And by the way,

00:08:32.260 only haters hate hate speech laws. You hater. Take a look. Minister, yesterday you indicated that the only

00:08:39.220 people who oppose your government's hate speech laws are, quote, fringe commentators. But of the

00:08:44.180 thousands of replies to your own government's public consultations, 73% were negative. And

00:08:48.900 according to the last poll done on the subject, 65% of people oppose such laws. So is it not,

00:08:54.260 in fact, your government that's endorsing the fringe position here? What I think is very clear,

00:08:59.300 and this is coming from the significant amount of public consultation that we've had in the last four

00:09:03.700 years consultation that started back in 2018, is that there is a very clear group of minority people

00:09:10.820 in this country who are simply targeted and who are being either victimized or harassed,

00:09:15.860 assaulted, who are victims of hate speech and hate crime simply because of who they are. So that is

00:09:20.980 very clear. That is based on fact. And that is also based on reports that we have.

00:09:25.140 Minister, with requests, that's not what I asked. But I'm sorry, that's not what I asked. And also,

00:09:29.620 I've gone through every single one of the consultation responses. There are about 3,600 of

00:09:35.060 them. And that's really not what they said. The vast majority of people said they don't want this. So

00:09:39.780 where are you getting the idea that there's public outcry for this other than government paid NGOs?

00:09:46.100 So that's incorrect to say that the vast majority of people don't want this. I think even if you were

00:09:50.580 to listen to the debate last night in the Shannon, and certainly the debate in the Dole, the vast majority

00:09:55.620 of people do want this. But those are politicians. We're talking about the general public. Where's

00:09:59.860 the where's the public outcry? I can either answer the question or not. But I mean, what I'm basing

00:10:03.860 this on is very clear factual evidence. If you speak to Angarda Shia Kona, there has been a 29% increase

00:10:10.260 in hate crimes across this country. So while we don't have hate crime legislation recorded hate crimes.

00:10:15.220 So I didn't quite get the statistic. There was a 65% or 73% opposed this hate speech law.

00:10:21.300 And this justice minister says that people are victimized or harassed or assaulted by hate crimes.

00:10:31.060 Well, those are three different things. Victimized, harassed or assaulted. Which does she mean?

00:10:38.660 Which is she banning? Does she even know? Here's another censor. Ireland's full of them, apparently. 0.51

00:10:43.540 Here's Senator Joe O'Reilly. He actually says that the Holocaust and street violence

00:10:49.060 is really just speech run amok and jokes. And that jokes have to be censored.

00:10:56.180 He actually says without this law, which has never been an effect in history,

00:11:00.180 it would be like Lord of the Ring, Lord of the Flies, excuse me, out there,

00:11:03.220 just unlimited violence and cruelty. Take a look.

00:11:04.980 The Holocaust began in the very early 30s with hate speech. It progressed from hate speech 0.75

00:11:12.180 to hate crimes. And that progressed ultimately to the Holocaust. The attacks on the traveller community 1.00

00:11:19.780 do not begin with on the night of the attack. They begin through the hate speech in pubs and the warm-up

00:11:27.780 and the remarks around the place that give a legitimacy to all this. The attacks, the homophobic

00:11:35.780 attacks in parks do not begin on the night. They begin with homophobic remarks. They begin with

00:11:43.700 smutty jokes. They begin with exclusion. But what happened in Navin, didn't, those children didn't

00:11:50.260 get up some morning. And it, you know, there were conditions, it's a jokes, it's stuff online,

00:11:55.940 it's stuff on television screens, etc. It's a conditioning that brought them to that dreadful

00:12:02.260 position. A sort of a Lord of the Flies thing, but something that's fed into. And that has to be

00:12:08.180 considered. Well, thank God he's here to fix it. I mean, how has Ireland managed to escape the Nazi 0.86

00:12:15.700 Holocaust or the Lord of the Flies wild anarchy without his guidance in this law? It's, it's amazing 0.99

00:12:22.980 that Ireland hasn't had a Holocaust because this law is what would stop the Holocaust. 0.99

00:12:28.100 What a grandiose buffoon. By the way, this is all about being a battering ram against 0.96

00:12:34.900 parents who are concerned about transgenderism being pushed in the schools. That is what this

00:12:38.980 is all about. That's the front line of the free speech battle now. Shutting up parents,

00:12:46.260 which is interesting because Ireland, I read its constitution today, it's a very interesting

00:12:50.260 constitution. It's quite unlike ours. They have a whole section about the family in the constitution.

00:12:55.860 Have you ever heard of that before? I have not. Let me read to you article 41 from the Irish

00:13:01.300 constitution, which is published in both Irish and English. I think Senator Pauline O'Reilly,

00:13:06.900 and frankly, all of them ought to read it again. It doesn't limit freedom. It strengthens the family

00:13:11.700 against other forces. I'm going to read to you. Here's, here's article 41. It's called the family.

00:13:17.300 Imagine the constitution that says that. One, the state recognizes the family as the natural

00:13:22.660 primary and fundamental unit group of society and as a moral institution possessing inalienable

00:13:28.340 and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law. Do you know what those big

00:13:34.420 words mean? It means you can't touch it. It's bigger than and predates and more important than all laws.

00:13:41.460 I've never seen anything so pro-family in my life. Number two, the state therefore guarantees

00:13:49.460 to protect the family in its constitution and authority as the necessary basis of social order

00:13:55.300 and as indispensable to the welfare of the nation and the state. This is in the Irish constitution.

00:14:00.740 Are you blown away? Two, in particular, the state recognizes that by her life within the home,

00:14:07.140 woman gives to the state of support without which the common good cannot be achieved. There's that 1.00

00:14:12.100 term, the common good. And it's by respecting a family and respecting moms. This constitution says

00:14:19.300 the highest position in the world is a mum. It's in the Irish constitution. Have you ever seen this

00:14:24.900 before? Check it out for yourself. This is hard to believe, isn't it? Because we've never heard of such

00:14:28.900 a thing. That's the common good, isn't it? The state shall therefore endeavor to ensure that mothers 0.98

00:14:34.820 shall not be obliged by economic necessity to engage in labor to the neglect of their

00:14:39.860 duties in the home. That's interesting. That is pretty pro-family. It is indispensable to the

00:14:45.060 welfare of the nation and the state. That's a bit more oomph than Senator O'Reilly's vague common good.

00:14:51.140 In fact, it takes ownership of the phrase common good. But let's look at this proposed law. And I put

00:14:56.660 it to you that this proposed law will be a battering ram against the family. That's what it's being used

00:15:01.060 for today. So this law, it's a reform to a bunch of other laws of criminal nature. It's got a list

00:15:08.980 of things that you cannot criticize or insult anybody about. So you can't say something that

00:15:15.220 might offend someone else. I mean, you heard the senator. So I'm going to read to you from the law,

00:15:19.220 meaning of protected characteristics. So you can't pick on anyone for their protected characteristic.

00:15:25.620 And what does that mean? In this act, other than in section eight, protected characteristic

00:15:30.820 in relation to a person or a group of persons means any one of the following, namely race,

00:15:37.940 color, nationality, religion, national or ethnic origin, descent, gender, sex characteristics,

00:15:46.260 sexual orientation, or disability. But of course, the key is the next section. They clarify in particular

00:15:52.260 gender, gender means the gender of a person or the gender which a person expresses as the person's

00:16:00.660 preferred gender or with which the person identifies and includes transgender and a gender other than

00:16:07.380 those of male and female. They don't dare try and list what those are. Now, so they're basically,

00:16:13.140 they're telling you what this is about. Gender expression is how you show yourself, 0.61

00:16:19.060 but gender identity is just what you say you are. You can have a big old bloke with a beard and biceps

00:16:25.300 and you can say, I'm a gal now. That's called gender identity. And if you insult that, criticize that,

00:16:31.620 or offend that, you are a criminal under this law. Hey, but it's for the common good. Now, look at this

00:16:39.380 funny wording. The law bans incitement to violence or hatred. Now, I don't believe in violence at all.

00:16:47.140 Violence and hatred couldn't be more different in their expressions. I mean, I suppose they're related

00:16:54.020 because violence sometimes has hatred behind it, but they're very different. Hatred is a human emotion

00:17:00.420 you feel in your heart. It's a natural feeling. It's a subjective occurrence. We all respond differently

00:17:05.620 to different things in our minds and our hearts. That's hatred. The other one, violence is an act,

00:17:12.580 a criminal act usually, of attacking another person. You can't compare a feeling in your heart

00:17:19.540 with an action against another person. You can't compare hate with violence. But it's obviously done

00:17:25.300 deliberately. It's criminalizing feelings. There are surely very, very few actual violent acts in Ireland

00:17:31.220 that would fall under this law. So this law will keep everyone busy dealing with feelings crimes.

00:17:36.420 Instead, they're lumping them together. I'll read some more. Offensive incitement to violence or

00:17:40.580 hatred against persons on account of their protected characteristics. Subject to subsections two, etc.

00:17:46.980 A person shall be guilty of an offense under this section if the person communicates material to

00:17:53.780 the public or a section of the public or behaves in a public place in a manner that is likely to

00:18:00.340 incite violence or hatred. Well, those are two pretty different things. Against a person or group of

00:18:05.940 persons on account of their protected characteristics or any of those characteristics. And the person does

00:18:11.540 so with intent to incite violence or hatred against such a person or group of persons on account of those

00:18:16.580 characteristics or any of them. I won't read all the the fine print there, but basically

00:18:25.380 they're blurring feelings and violence and then they're adding a likely to.

00:18:33.380 What does any of that mean? Like, would you know how to conduct yourself in Ireland now?

00:18:37.860 If you behave in a way that could incite bad feelings, you're a criminal now? What's that mean?

00:18:44.260 Does anyone know what the test for that is? Well, no, that's the point, isn't it?

00:18:48.180 So everyone's guilty. They just have to charge you. And again, it's a future crime. Did you see that

00:18:53.060 likely to incite feelings? So you don't have to actually incite bad feelings.

00:18:59.220 Uh, it just, you know, certainly not past tense. He did incite feelings, but maybe in the future

00:19:06.740 it's likely to incite feelings. How do you even defend against that? You can't say your honor,

00:19:11.540 it didn't make anyone feel bad. Well, it could've. You're guilty because it could've.

00:19:17.860 You can do or say something that literally has no effect at all in the world, doesn't cause bad

00:19:23.380 feelings, certainly doesn't cause a violent action, and you'll still be guilty. Do you see how this

00:19:28.180 law is written? It's a future crime, likely to incite feelings, not even likely to cause violence.

00:19:34.660 This is, this is like no crime we know of in the Western world. Oh, and the punishment for breaking

00:19:40.500 this law is up to five years in prison, plus a fine, by the way. Here's an interesting wrinkle.

00:19:46.500 Offensive condonation, denial, or gross trivialization of genocide, etc., against persons on account of

00:19:53.860 their protected characteristics. So subject to section 11, a person shall be guilty of an offense

00:19:59.300 under this section if the person communicates material to the public, or a section of the public,

00:20:04.020 or behaves in a public place in a manner that condones, denies, or grossly trivializes genocide,

00:20:10.260 a crime against humanity, a war crime, or an act specified in blah blah blah of the International

00:20:16.500 Military Tribunal. All right, but who gets to decide?

00:20:19.860 The Armenian genocide, which I believe happened, millions of Armenian Christians killed by Turks.

00:20:27.620 But Turkey does not believe that happened. They deny it.

00:20:32.900 Could the Turkish ambassador deny the Armenian genocide? Would he be charged with a crime?

00:20:38.500 How about the Uyghurs? Do you know who they are? That's the Muslim minority in the Xinjiang province in

00:20:44.980 China. So they're Chinese Uyghur Muslims. That's what they're called. And there is a case to be made, 0.61

00:20:52.740 and I think it's fairly well documented, that China has committed a kind of a genocide against them.

00:20:57.380 They haven't killed them all. But there is a brutal human rights-violating slow motion war against the

00:21:06.740 Uyghurs. There's concentration camps there. It's atrocious. There's certainly atrocities.

00:21:11.700 A lot of people believe that's a genocide. Some people deny it. Justin Trudeau would never say it.

00:21:19.140 He says Canada has committed a genocide, and other people deny that. Who gets to decide? Can I

00:21:26.260 prosecute Justin Trudeau under this law for denying the Uyghur genocide? I mean,

00:21:32.740 who gets to enforce that? Here's the craziest part. You think this law is crazy? Look at this.

00:21:40.260 You can have something, literally just have it on you. Have it on your phone, have it on your computer,

00:21:48.180 have it in an email, have it on your Instagram page, and be guilty just for having it, just for possessing it.

00:21:54.180 You know what I mean? Like a meme, or a joke, or a picture, whatever. Let me read the law to you.

00:22:02.180 Offense of preparing or possessing material likely to incite violence or hatred against persons on

00:22:09.540 account of their protective characteristics. Subject to subsections two and three in section

00:22:14.660 11. A person shall be guilty of an offense under this section if the person a prepares or possesses

00:22:22.820 material that is likely to incite violence or hatred against a person or group of persons on account

00:22:30.100 of their protective characteristics or any of those characteristics with a view to the material being

00:22:34.580 communicated to the public or a section of the public whether by himself or herself or another

00:22:39.860 person. Okay, just stop for a second there. So you didn't have to make this mean. You didn't

00:22:44.580 have to write this joke. You didn't have to say these words. You just have to be in possession of

00:22:49.860 it like it's some, I don't know, some gun or bomb or some hard drug. Are you in possession of drugs?

00:22:56.660 Are you in possession of dank memes? Are you in possession of dirty jokes? You didn't even have to 0.99

00:23:04.260 create it. You just have to have it. And you don't even have to share it. Someone else might be.

00:23:10.500 prepares or possesses such material with intent to incite violence or hatred against such a person

00:23:15.540 or group of persons on account of those characteristics or any of those characteristics

00:23:18.980 or being reckless as to whether such violence or hatred is thereby incited. So you don't even have

00:23:24.020 to mean to hurt any feelings. Just be wrecked. I was recklessly sharing a joke your honor and someone

00:23:30.820 got hurt feelings. Actually I say again they don't actually have to have hurt feelings. Just maybe they were

00:23:36.980 likely to have feelings. No one was hurt. No one even complained. You didn't write this goofy meme.

00:23:45.140 You didn't have any, you know, you just had it in your phone. You're guilty because it could have

00:23:51.700 caused someone hurt feelings. Oh and get ready for your full cavity search. Oh for the common good though.

00:23:58.660 Let me read this next part. A member acting under the authority of a search warrant under this section so

00:24:03.940 they can search you. A operate any computer at the place that is being searched to cause any computer

00:24:11.220 to be operated by a person accompanying the member for that purpose. And B get this. Require any person

00:24:18.980 at that place who appears to be the to the member to have lawful access to the information in any such

00:24:23.860 computer. To give to the member any password necessary to operate it and any encryption key or code

00:24:31.220 necessary to unencrypt the information accessible by the computer. Two, otherwise to enable the member

00:24:36.740 to examine the information accessible by the computer in a form in which the information is visible and

00:24:42.180 legible. Or three, to produce the information in a form in which it can be removed in which it

00:24:47.300 is or can be made visible and legible. So they can search your stuff and force you to give your passwords.

00:24:53.940 But hey, it's for the common good. That's Ireland. How did a place that came up with so much banter,

00:25:05.300 so many jokes over the centuries, how did a place like that with such a humor, such a reputation for

00:25:15.940 banter and jokes and limericks? Limerick's a place in Ireland. We named the Dirty Joke poem after them.

00:25:25.780 How did that place come to where it is now? That's too bad, isn't it? Stay with us for more.

00:25:33.060 Well, the word rainbow coalition predates the use of the rainbow as a gay pride symbol. But now the

00:25:51.140 rainbow doesn't look like any rainbow I've seen in the sky. There's so many other symbols and colors

00:25:56.180 and shapes on there. I got a chuckle out of it the other day when Lawrence Fox called it the migraine

00:26:01.860 black. I think he was right. But the left has been a rainbow coalition for a while. Different people 0.54

00:26:09.620 who all in some way had a place in the progressive constellation. But I wonder if that rainbow coalition

00:26:19.060 is coming apart. Remember this video from about a week or so ago when there was a protest in Ottawa

00:26:25.940 against the transgender sexuality being taught in schools to children of tender years.

00:26:33.940 This image shocked people who saw it online and for good reason. The media party did not put it on

00:26:40.420 their front pages, even though it was such a riveting image. These are young Muslim kids with their mom

00:26:47.460 some stomping on the gay pride flag. Take a look at this. All right, we're here currently at the protest. 0.99

00:26:55.540 We got a bunch of young kids here with their Arab parents, and they are stomping the pride flag here 0.99

00:27:02.340 at the protest. The Arab community is sending a message, I believe, to the woke that they are not 1.00

00:27:08.180 accepting of this, ladies and gentlemen. Yes. Yes. Any message you'd like to send today to just leave

00:27:18.500 your kids alone. What? Yes. Leave the kids alone, she says, ladies and gentlemen. Leave the kids alone. 0.56

00:27:27.460 All right. That's exhibit A. Here's exhibit B. Remember this? A teacher in a school in Edmonton,

00:27:35.780 a recording of her in class, lecturing Muslim kids who were making fun of pride, saying, hey,

00:27:42.580 we supported you during teachings about Ramadan, and in return, you must support our transgenderism

00:27:50.900 here. Stop laughing. Remember this? Well, I'll tell you, you are out to lunch. If you think it's

00:27:57.460 accessible to not show up because you think there's some pride activities going on at school,

00:28:03.300 right? Oh, that's fine. You know, because I'm going to show my opinion by hanging out at the mall.

00:28:09.780 But meanwhile, all of those kids who are, you know, involved in, say, the Gay Street Alliance or

00:28:15.780 whatever, I don't even know if we have that anymore in our school, they're here when we did Ramadan for

00:28:21.540 lying time, and they're showing respect in the class for your religion, right? For your beliefs.

00:28:27.860 It goes two ways. If you want to be respected for who you are, if you don't want to suffer prejudice for

00:28:36.180 your religion, your color of skin, your whatever, then you've got to give it back to people who are 0.73

00:28:42.580 different from you. That's how it works. It's an exchange. And it isn't like that in all countries. As I

00:28:50.340 told you, in Uganda, literally, if they think you're gay, they will execute you. If you believe 0.99

00:28:56.260 that kind of thing, then you don't belong here. Because that is not what Canada believes. We believe

00:29:02.740 in freedom. We believe that people can marry whomever they want. That is in the law. And if you don't

00:29:11.860 think that should be the law, you can't be Canadian. You don't belong here. And I mean it. I really mean it. 1.00

00:29:18.660 And it's not a joke, Mansoor. I said back and forth. You want it, you've got to give it.

00:29:27.140 It just makes me angry. Sorry, I'm a little working.

00:29:33.220 What is happening? Well, I know someone who's hot on this story. Her name is Rupa Subramania. And her

00:29:40.420 latest story in the National Post is called, The Progressive Left Discards Muslims as Un-Canadian.

00:29:48.660 She joins us now via Skype. Rupa, this is very, very interesting. And it's very difficult for the

00:29:54.580 left to talk about. Well, I think it's difficult for the right to talk about also. How do you

00:30:00.500 reconcile these things? Tell me a little bit about what's going on as these Muslim families express 1.00

00:30:09.540 their objections to some of the more extreme sexuality teachings.

00:30:15.780 Well, thanks, Ezra. It's great to be back on your show again. And yeah, it's quite fascinating what's

00:30:24.660 happening in the culture war space. So suddenly, you know, when I was at this protest last weekend,

00:30:33.460 one of the things that struck me about the protests, I mean, it was striking to anybody who was there,

00:30:38.900 is that you had devout Muslim parents facing off against a woke progressive left standing up for

00:30:46.980 trans rights. And, you know, it was a little, I would say there was a bit of a cognitive dissonance

00:30:56.020 happening there as far as the, the progressives were concerned, because they didn't really expect,

00:31:03.300 you know, the, the, you know, what they imagined, you know, they didn't expect the people,

00:31:10.820 they, they thought that this would be a white, far right, white supremacists in attendance,

00:31:16.100 protesting against gender ideology. But it turns out these were people that the left has

00:31:26.020 supported in one of the guise of progressivism, especially when it comes to things like what is

00:31:34.500 perceived to be Islamophobia. So, so that was pretty interesting. And, and, you know, and the

00:31:41.140 reaction to the protests, you know, I shared some of these videos that I shot on Twitter, and, and,

00:31:51.060 you know, and the reactions from some of some very prominent progressives on social media,

00:31:56.980 was that, you know, perhaps, you know, we should reconsider immigration, we should,

00:32:01.140 these, these people don't represent Canadian values. Perhaps it's time to put a hard stop on

00:32:07.220 immigration from countries that don't share Canadian values. And, and, and some even said,

00:32:13.620 I think you should go back to where you came from. Now, typically, these comments are associated with

00:32:20.340 the far right. You know, if you, if you want to, typically, that's, that's what the progressive left has,

00:32:27.620 you know, has been saying. But this actually came from them. And, and that was pretty striking to me.

00:32:34.980 Yeah, I mean, on the one hand, I believe in a cultural test to come to Canada, we want people 0.73

00:32:41.380 who believe in pluralism. And on the subject of gay rights, we don't want people who absolutely, 0.91

00:32:49.380 you know, have a rage against gay rights. I mean, some of these countries,

00:32:54.100 homosexuality is punishable by death. You know, Iran hangs gays, Saudi Arabia stones them. I don't 1.00

00:33:00.820 know how frequent that is these days. So on the one hand, I sympathize with some, you know,

00:33:07.620 not just economic questions for my immigrants, but do you, are you cool with the way we are as Canadians?

00:33:13.700 But I think that what is being pushed in these schools is so radical, so extreme,

00:33:20.340 that I think it, it's so much further than anyone historically has said, well, this is Canadian

00:33:28.260 values. And so it's not a surprise to me that socially conservative Muslims are the first to, 0.69

00:33:33.220 to speak out and say, whoa, that's not what we thought we were coming to. I don't, I can,

00:33:38.900 for a little bit, I can, I can understand it, but it's shocking to see how quickly the left

00:33:45.140 turns on visible minorities, immigrants, Muslims, who until five minutes ago, they would have said,

00:33:52.020 how dare you talk about a Muslim ban? I mean, that's Donald Trump stuff, talking about a Muslim 1.00

00:33:58.260 immigration ban. It's fascinating to watch. No, absolutely. And to be very, very clear here,

00:34:05.140 you didn't, you didn't see devout Muslims protesting against the pride flag or pride,

00:34:14.420 or even gay rights for that matter, you know, a few years ago, this is all pretty recent. And this

00:34:19.860 goes to the point that you're making, which is gender ideology, you know, has, is, you know,

00:34:26.260 has become so pervasive now. And it's literally being shoved down their throat. And, and, and,

00:34:32.180 you know, and this is what they were protesting. They were protesting against the indoctrination

00:34:35.780 of their kids with radical gender ideology. So it's very important. Look, I mean, these people

00:34:41.540 came here and, and, you know, many immigrant Muslims come here knowing full well that this is

00:34:48.100 a country that stands for certain things. And, and, and so they've already agreed to that. They've already

00:34:54.420 accepted it as a fait accompli. But what's happening now is that we've unearthed, we've, we've, we've,

00:35:01.300 you know, the progressive left, you know, this is their doing really, they've kind of, you know,

00:35:09.060 brought out Muslims who, you know, out and outright reject homosexuality because the, 0.85

00:35:19.780 because it goes against Islamic teachings. Look, I mean, it's, it's their right to believe whatever 0.66

00:35:25.380 they want to believe in. If they want to protest against it, that's also fine. Freedom of expression

00:35:31.060 and all of that stuff. But it is, for me, it was a bit disturbing to see kids, you know, stomping

00:35:38.500 on the pride flag and, and the parents cheering them on, you know, this, but, you know, and I also want

00:35:45.540 to make it very clear that the protest as organized by Chris Elston, Billboard Chris,

00:35:51.460 and Josh Alexander was to protest against gender ideology, not against gay rights. That's a very 0.70

00:35:58.020 important point to be, to, to make, and one has to keep making that repeatedly. Because, you know, the,

00:36:05.540 the other side, you know, will, will miss often, I think deliberately will mischaracterize such protests

00:36:13.300 as being against gay rights, which is not the case. A lot of these people just, just reject

00:36:18.420 gender ideology being taught in schools in the way it's being taught.

00:36:22.500 Yeah. You know, I think one thing that Chris Elston, I interviewed him a few times says,

00:36:26.740 is no one's born in the wrong body. And in fact, a lot of this gender ideology says, if you're gay,

00:36:33.620 no, no, no, you're in the wrong body. We've got to chop off your body parts, give you 1.00

00:36:38.900 certain hormones. So I think in some ways that the LGBT, the T is contrary to the L and the G, 1.00

00:36:48.980 as in Chris Elston is, I don't think he's anti-gay at all. He's saying, stop trying to change people's 0.98

00:36:59.220 gender, especially if they're young. Let me play a clip of what the mum and the sister of those Muslim 1.00

00:37:07.060 kids dancing on the pride flag set. It's very interesting. And I paid close attention to what

00:37:12.260 they said, at least in the clip that I saw, there may be others. They didn't say we're anti-gay.

00:37:18.180 They said, leave the kids alone. Here, take a look.

00:37:22.100 Leave the kids alone! 1.00

00:37:45.380 yeah i mean just to push back a little bit on that ezra uh i did speak to that uh same mother

00:38:13.020 and daughter and they and uh and a little and their little boy and uh they i i have to be

00:38:20.600 honest here they were also against homosexuality uh that was very clear in one of in my interview 0.93

00:38:27.080 with them like did you like this no it's like too disgusting it's too disgusting and like 0.89

00:38:34.220 and and and and so that's you know that was one of the reasons why i wrote this column for the

00:38:46.820 national post because inadvertently um religion has come into the picture uh it was always going

00:38:54.300 to be there it was always there in the background but now uh you know we've you know people who had

00:39:00.340 initially just accepted um these as you know this is part of part and parcel of being in this

00:39:05.980 country this is this is what uh this this these are canadian values and you know they're here and

00:39:12.000 they've accepted all of that but uh but because of how things have gone recently um the the direction

00:39:19.080 in which we're heading um they've just um you know they just don't want anything to do with this at

00:39:25.160 all and my concern is that uh you know there's a risk here that there might be a regression in this

00:39:32.080 consensus that had been built over the years over gay rights and i worry that there might be a

00:39:36.960 regression um as far as that's concerned isn't that interesting well first of all i accept obviously

00:39:42.520 you were on the ground there you talked to these people i was just relying on little clips i found

00:39:46.180 it's very interesting and muslim immigration to canada is very large i think the muslim community is well

00:39:52.780 over a million people and it's concentrated in certain cities in certain districts for example

00:39:57.660 in ottawa some schools had 60 percent of kids stay home for pride day 60 percent and we know that when

00:40:05.860 uh a more gender extreme transgender uh curriculum was brought in a few years back there were some schools

00:40:14.560 into the toronto area where 90 percent of the kids were kept home so i i think that

00:40:22.000 i think we are coming apart you talked about sort of a commonality i think it's coming apart

00:40:28.700 and i think we can look at other places in the world to see how this will end i've been to

00:40:34.060 malmo sweden and i've been to you know parts of northern england where the vast majority of certain

00:40:42.520 communities like over 90 percent are muslim and in sweden you think that's the most

00:40:46.400 gay positive country in the world right but in in malmo in rosengard 1.00

00:40:52.500 you know kids born in sweden are talking about banning homosexuality and i think that the left

00:41:01.780 cannot hold its coalition together and if i have to guess which part of this coalition is going to

00:41:08.780 win i'm going to guess it's the muslim part just for sheer demographic numbers that's my observation

00:41:14.220 from rosengard sweden and from parts of manchester and and the greater london area what do you think

00:41:21.560 of that yeah no i i really you know sweden is a great example um and i'm glad you brought that up

00:41:28.080 and i really hope that we don't head in that direction because i've been to sweden and i've been

00:41:33.140 to malmo as well and uh you know you know there are these no-go areas as you know uh and uh that's

00:41:41.040 that's not what what you know i would like to see in canada we have tons of problems but i i really

00:41:47.640 wish that that's not going to be one of them um in the near future uh but you know but it all it

00:41:53.840 goes to this this you know the fact is that um uh you know when you when you push something as

00:42:00.200 aggressively as uh gender ideology um and uh and you know a lot of prominent gay people have also

00:42:07.440 spoken out against radical gender ideology so um and and and and so you know there's there's there's

00:42:15.700 wide support i think uh apart from you know sections of the mainstream media especially the legacy media

00:42:22.700 which seems to have take taken this on as like you know this is you know we must keep promoting this

00:42:29.060 um and uh you know most people i think uh really feel that this is just uh this is just too much

00:42:37.540 and um you know they're just um speaking out um and you know i i just i i think i think again it's

00:42:45.260 worth repeating this uh muslims did not have the muslim community as far as i'm concerned and i cannot

00:42:51.920 speak for them obviously but this is just based on my observation had no issues with this it was a live

00:42:57.360 and let live approach you know you guys do what you want uh we do what what we want we have we have

00:43:03.100 our beliefs we have our uh values we we have things that we um you know strongly believe in and we go by

00:43:09.340 the quran and uh and this is what islam teaches us and and of course leave our kids alone uh that 0.99

00:43:15.940 last bit has not been happening for us two or three years at least um you know this whole radical push on

00:43:23.840 gender ideology is not that old right you know it's it's really picked up in the last two to three

00:43:29.980 years during the pandemic so so this is this is a recent phenomena and i um you know i i i have a lot

00:43:37.780 of faith in um you know the muslim community in canada i think um you know there are of course a few

00:43:44.120 radical elements in every community but i i i do think that uh you know they they just they just

00:43:50.080 want to be left alone they just don't want their children to be taught uh these things which they

00:43:55.300 really object to and ultimately it comes down to uh parental rights which uh trudeau uh said was uh

00:44:03.400 you know a far right uh thing so you know whether it is a christian an atheist parent objecting to

00:44:11.580 the use of pronouns in schools or a muslim parent objecting to the use of pronouns in school it comes

00:44:16.600 down to the same thing it's about parental rights they just want their kids to be left alone and

00:44:20.880 that was the message ultimately that was the the message i think from the protests uh this last

00:44:27.360 weekend in ottawa yeah well it's you know you raise a lot of very good points here i want i'm going to

00:44:33.040 reread your column it's called the progressive left discards muslims as un canadian and you're right 1.00

00:44:38.580 this i think the one side here has gotten more aggressive and more pushy and it's the transgenderism 0.73

00:44:46.540 side and i think that the tools of their enforcement the cancel culture the public shaming the banning

00:44:53.580 people from twitter that doesn't work on immigrant mums from muslim countries who can't be fired from a 0.99

00:45:01.340 job because they're homemakers they can't be canceled from twitter because they don't waste time on twitter

00:45:06.600 you can't socially marginalize them because their social circles are other muslim mums from the 1.00

00:45:12.280 immigrant community so the tools that are used to keep old stock white canadian liberal families in 0.92

00:45:19.160 line oh don't don't embarrass me don't make me look like a hater those tools are not effective

00:45:26.380 against muslim mums this is going to be an amazing thing ruper i'm going to continue to cover your 1.00

00:45:31.680 to watch your journalism because you're on the ground you go and report what you see

00:45:36.580 you did that during the trucker convoy which is when you won so many super fans and i'm one of

00:45:42.260 those super fans by the way so thank you and you really brought the nuances here and and you're

00:45:47.920 right i can see both sides believe it or not and i i want to figure this one out myself and thanks for

00:45:53.460 helping us thank you so much ezra great to see and by the way i want to give a shout out to your new

00:45:58.940 project rupa does write for the national post of course which you've absolutely got to read every week

00:46:04.180 but she's also with a great new project called the free press and the website for that is the

00:46:11.200 fp.com t-h-e-f-p.com and it's and it's a great source of news and opinions so make sure to catch

00:46:20.640 rupa there stay with us more ahead

00:46:23.800 hey welcome back your letters to me dalvenius tiv says his ads have a strong chinese influence that

00:46:43.280 alone is not trustworthy well you're talking about edward gong um there is sort of a strange

00:46:49.640 uh diction or uh cadence to his campaign videos um they do sound a little bit

00:46:59.060 like they're translated into english but written in a different language i'm not going to hold that

00:47:05.080 against him because he is born in china and english is his second language

00:47:09.080 i don't have a beef with a chinese canadian running for mayor there are a lot of chinese

00:47:14.260 canadians um chinese canadian mayor of vancouver uh i think the next mayor of toronto will likely be

00:47:21.260 a chinese canadian woman um her name is miss chow but olivia chow the widow of jackley uh the

00:47:29.760 questions with edward gong are his connections to communist china his interactions with that government

00:47:36.980 why would that government come and regulate an industry here in canada um i think there's also

00:47:43.080 questions about uh overspending and campaign finance i don't think edward gong is going to win

00:47:48.480 uh he might come in the top 10 just because he's dumped so much money on ads but it is proof that

00:47:54.040 the chinese government is in our politics they're certainly friends of his lawrence lawrence 3920 says

00:48:01.620 notice that most of the aggressive questioning and shouting that were thrown at mendocino were by women

00:48:06.200 reporters when it came to violent sexual attacks by bernardo they became very vocal when it comes 0.61

00:48:11.440 to aborting pre-born babies crickets or attacks on those who object to the killing of babies um you 0.80

00:48:16.700 know it may be that the paul bernardo story is so uh shocking and terrifying to women that that's what

00:48:24.500 motivated those reporters i i so i won't discount that but i i think that um it may be just a

00:48:32.480 coincidence that it was the women who were hollering at him because i think they were trying

00:48:37.600 to get him he refused to he canceled the scrum the previous night you might be right but i think that

00:48:42.440 they're just showing an exasperation with him leslie ross in 9729 says we have spent eight years

00:48:48.460 investigating the trudeau regime scandal and crime the time and money that could have been spent

00:48:52.640 governing canada i'm going to disagree with you politely i don't think we've spent eight years

00:48:58.160 investigating them the mainstream media certainly has not the rcmp certainly has not cesis well i

00:49:04.540 think they did some poking around but they were told to shut up and they finally started to leak

00:49:09.080 to the globe and mail so no i don't think we actually have spent eight years investigating trudeau he

00:49:13.740 certainly wasn't vetted um to any extent the other day in parliament when pierre polyev made a

00:49:20.320 oblique reference to trudeau being fired as a teacher midway through his school um there was

00:49:27.100 an absolute lack of curiosity by the mainstream media to look into it remember this is a prime

00:49:31.460 minister that all the media were sitting on pictures of him in blackface they had the dirt on him they

00:49:37.180 just weren't going to use it so no that he has not been investigated for eight years i don't think at

00:49:42.000 all it's our show for today until next time on behalf of all of us here at rebel world headquarters to

00:49:48.620 you at home good night and keep fighting for freedom

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Rebel News Podcast - June 17, 2023

EZRA LEVANT： Ireland jumps ahead in the race to have the most censorship in the free world

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