Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Is Canada’s biggest police force compromised from within ... and can it be saved？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends, a very special show today, a feature interview with Toronto's most popular

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00:00:54.620 tonight is canada's largest police force corrupt is it anti-semitic can it be saved

00:01:17.240 It's April 23rd, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:23.080 Well, I grew up in Alberta, not in Calgary proper.

00:01:38.340 In fact, we lived west of the city in a rural place.

00:01:41.900 I went to a country school for junior high.

00:01:44.520 I mean, we weren't deep country.

00:01:46.140 We were outside the city. 0.74

00:01:48.360 But I had the exposure to cowboys and Indians, I guess you could say. 1.00

00:01:53.160 And I should say that my sister and I were the only Jewish kids at the country school we went to. 0.71

00:01:58.780 There were two black kids and two Chinese kids and two Sikh kids. 0.66

00:02:02.360 Other than that, it was just regular folks.

00:02:05.080 And I'm happy to say, and it was a wonderful childhood,

00:02:09.340 I never once in my entire life encountered anti-Semitism.

00:02:14.480 Like, just never.

00:02:15.640 In fact, it was sort of the opposite. Everyone who talked about the issue, which was not many,

00:02:21.280 wanted to know more about being Jewish. In fact, I felt it was sort of a burden.

00:02:25.280 I had to study up on it so I could provide answers. It was a wonderful childhood,

00:02:31.260 and Canadians are so friendly and welcoming. It feels very different now, but the kind people

00:02:38.540 who I grew up with west of Calgary have not changed. They're not suddenly anti-Semitic,

00:02:44.620 And the country that I remember in the 70s and 80s and 90s, that part of Canada is still

00:02:51.580 phylo-Semitic, if anything.

00:02:54.200 I think there's two strains of anti-Semitism in this country.

00:02:57.640 One is the academic left-wing woke anti-Semitism, which views the world through the lens of

00:03:04.900 the oppressed and the oppressor.

00:03:07.060 And they've decided that Israel, even though it's a land made up of refugees, even though

00:03:11.960 it is multiracial there are arab jews there are black jews there are russian jews they've decided 0.97

00:03:18.200 that that is a country of oppressors so the woke left especially in academia hates jews all right

00:03:24.260 fine that's not great but it's a limited number however add to that unlimited immigration from

00:03:31.300 parts of the world where 99 of people just are anti-semitic it's just how it is and i and i base

00:03:38.360 that on studies by the pew research institute which is a non-partisan massive global opinion

00:03:47.000 company that sometimes asks third world countries their views on women and gays and america and

00:03:54.640 jews if we are bringing in millions of people from anti-semitic places like pakistan and

00:04:01.380 Afghanistan and North Africa, should it be surprising to us that people who hop on a plane

00:04:07.720 bring with them their ancient views? And so I hate to say it, but Canada is becoming an 0.96

00:04:15.340 anti-Semitic country, not because those kindly people amongst whom I grew up 30, 40 years ago

00:04:20.860 have changed. They haven't changed at all. It's partly because of the academic left,

00:04:26.180 but it's mainly because we have brought into our shores people who just plain hate Jews and that's

00:04:32.820 a subset of their larger hatred for the West. That's my opinion at least but every week I feel

00:04:38.120 like I have more evidence supporting my opinion. This week there was a massive outburst of anti-Semitic

00:04:43.600 vandalism at a school in the greater Toronto area and then there was a shocking confession

00:04:50.160 or accusation by a 34-year police officer in the Toronto Police Service.

00:04:55.800 Here to talk about those two news items to see whether or not they fit my thesis

00:05:00.780 is our friend Joe Warmington, the senior columnist at the Toronto Sun newspaper.

00:05:06.200 Joe, great to see you.

00:05:07.020 Thanks very much for joining the show.

00:05:09.580 Yeah, I mean, it's good to be with you.

00:05:11.180 And interesting to hear you talk about your Western roots and how you grew up.

00:05:15.620 it's uh you know i was an army brat and i lived all over the place and you're right i had never

00:05:22.500 really encountered you know i didn't grow up jewish but i mean i didn't encounter any kind

00:05:28.080 of racism or even understand it i think that was partially because of living in the military

00:05:33.280 world where you had everybody from everywhere and we were raised in an international kind of way

00:05:39.340 until the last three years really i mean i certainly covered anti-semitic stories for

00:05:45.820 sun media in my career but i never knew it was anything like this interesting you equate the

00:05:53.700 reasons for it i think that's one of the reasons i mean there's people that come from places

00:05:58.660 and that's the way it is in those places but it's way more than that it's a pandering and

00:06:05.620 of tolerance that was allowed to happen and you know i called it really that very first night

00:06:11.420 which i'm not sure the date i think the first time i went to what i dubbed the gaza plaza which is

00:06:16.280 in mississauga where there was a celebration of some sort of thing over the october 7th slaughter

00:06:25.280 the you know horrific situation where more than 1200 you know jews canadians americans people

00:06:32.080 from israel all of that were murdered in cold blood and there was a whole bunch of hostages

00:06:37.800 250 hostages taking all that and they were celebrating i was like an assault to the system

00:06:43.520 and it woke me up really instantly i knew something was wrong there then the next night

00:06:47.760 or the night after down at young and blue in toronto uh which turns out to be the israeli

00:06:54.260 consulate but i didn't know that there was a building there that was being built and there

00:06:59.680 was a whole bunch of people that were you know anti-israel and they were really really celebrating

00:07:05.100 all of this israel had not responded at all yet there was lots of complaints about israel but they

00:07:09.640 were the victims there was nothing to complain about you know what they later complained about

00:07:14.460 but at this stage nothing had happened and they were on top of the buildings they had these torches

00:07:19.820 going and it was kind of a wild scene i took out my camera which i always do is you know the

00:07:25.320 you know you do it too and started filming it and taking pictures and uh and i talked to you

00:07:32.440 when i was on your show the last time and a police officer came in and really hit me i don't know how

00:07:37.740 because i didn't see him but hard and i'm you know in my 60s so i don't want to be hit anytime

00:07:45.880 i certainly don't want to be sucker punched and he did that and i i didn't like that i i mentioned

00:07:50.980 like i'm taking a picture i was the only person that wasn't breaking the law there

00:07:55.040 including that officer who broke the law when he assaulted me and i looked over there was a lot of

00:08:01.040 police officers and they were laughing they were laughing at me they liked it they enjoyed it i

00:08:05.220 told them that i was joe warmington toronto sun columnist and in you know 35 years of covering

00:08:12.120 the streets i've never ever had that happen where i'm taking pictures of people that are going up

00:08:17.500 on the building uh that are you know violating that building there you know a lot of racial slurs

00:08:24.260 towards israel and jewish people and all kinds of things i mean river didn't see all of that was

00:08:28.740 happening it was new we weren't used to it yet but the one guy was in trouble was me for taking

00:08:36.220 a picture of it and right away that was the the beginning of me understanding not fully but in

00:08:41.980 retrospect i really understood it now i saw what happened to you i covered that in fact i think

00:08:46.960 you were on the front page of the Toronto Sun for being arrested for doing what for doing exactly

00:08:51.120 what I did taking a picture of somebody that came into a neighborhood where a lot of Jewish people

00:08:56.940 live and did a cosplay something from Gaza with the chair and the blood and all that stuff

00:09:03.740 that's all you did you took a picture and you were arrested and you're put in a jail cell your

00:09:08.440 liberty was taken from you and your dignity and all that stuff maybe it gave you some street cred

00:09:14.340 in a way but i don't think that that is really the issue the issue is that you're on the sidewalk

00:09:20.200 taking a picture so all that long story comes back to the question of what we see now what they 0.77

00:09:27.820 really said was go get them you can do anything you want you can shoot up at jewish schools you 0.92

00:09:33.900 can shoot up at synagogues you can vandalize what you want you can take over neighborhoods 0.98

00:09:38.620 and you can do really at will we're not going to do anything about it in fact they tried to make

00:09:45.560 it that it was a real us and them thing the victims were the people in israel the hostages

00:09:50.120 were real and they wanted to gloss all that over now here we are you know further down the line

00:09:56.520 and you've seen police try to do a little better lately and i think they have done better

00:10:02.100 but out in peel region in mississauga at a very quiet you know aaron mills neighborhood not known

00:10:08.000 for too much crime uh but there was a gun call at this school a month ago which i wrote about

00:10:14.400 and then of course there was this incident where as efran your producer was saying that i didn't

00:10:20.800 think of it this way but he said they wrote whole paragraphs this is true it wasn't just the tagging

00:10:25.420 of anti-semitic sentiment or you know all kinds of things about catholics and everything else

00:10:30.280 there because it's a catholic school but it was really a manifesto uh if you will all on the walls

00:10:36.960 of the community center out front mentioned israel mentioned um all kinds of things which i'm sure

00:10:43.640 you've got some b-roll on it and you know i'm still not sure what it was i don't know what

00:10:49.560 the police are doing about i'm waiting i'm still trying to write about that but i said to the

00:10:54.080 police um feel please have a good relationship that you can't treat this as just kids doing

00:11:01.360 this this is way more than that this is a coordinated effort i would like to see an

00:11:05.600 arrest in this case i know the courts will just think it's hilarious um but i don't find it

00:11:12.120 hilarious i know the people that were coming and going the students there uh they're all you know

00:11:17.600 you can see they were i overheard them talking about how much it upset them and then all the

00:11:22.280 people coming to the gym the pool the library and all that were just right adjacent or adjoined

00:11:27.160 to that school and that shook them up to mr mississauga we never saw anything like that

00:11:32.320 so it's uh it's a big deal and i'll stop for a minute because i know you want to talk about

00:11:37.100 the police but that sets up you know i think a really good sort of um synopsis of where we're

00:11:43.100 at here you know you you remind me of um a theory that was first tried out in new york city which

00:11:52.560 was a crime-ridden city in the 70s it was lawless uh it was a dangerous one of the most dangerous

00:11:59.380 cities in america and uh there's a theory by an economist named james q wilson and it was

00:12:05.180 nicknamed the broken windows theory and it was if there was a let's say an old factory or something

00:12:11.180 um that was standing there for week after month after month if you broke one window if you threw

00:12:18.540 a rock and broke one window if that window was not it was not fixed quickly soon every window

00:12:26.700 would be broken because you're sending the message you're sending a couple of messages first of all

00:12:30.960 no one is looking no one is cares no one's paying attention and second of all we're fine with this

00:12:38.400 so number one you're not at risk and number two we don't really care another way that this is

00:12:45.120 applied is if a car is parked you park a fancy car in a bad neighborhood if a window is smashed

00:12:51.100 in very quickly the whole car is stripped so rudy giuliani when he took over new york city in the

00:12:57.020 after the disastrous 70s took an approach where no we're going to do a broken window style of

00:13:03.100 policing we're going to capture you for jaywalking all those small things we're going to send two

00:13:08.080 messages someone is watching and we do care as a society what what you've described is

00:13:15.480 is changing the culture of toronto from what used to be called toronto the good

00:13:20.340 where there was a high trust society people looked out for one another

00:13:23.760 to a place where we now accept a constant uh throbbing anti-semitic crime wave and that's

00:13:33.980 just normal now and we've we've not only telegraphed that to those who would do the crimes

00:13:39.100 but we've internalized it ourselves that's toronto now you don't see politicians anymore

00:13:43.840 saying this isn't our Toronto because actually it is for two and a half years this is accepted

00:13:49.320 it's true so they don't even pretend it's not Toronto but it's because of the things you

00:13:54.660 described police allowing things and in your shocking case police hitting you because you

00:14:00.020 were documenting it and that is what they did to me so it's so sad to see a marvelous world-class

00:14:07.480 city like toronto um in a in a very short course of time huge crime waves and the message is no

00:14:17.320 one's watching and even if we were we don't care it's it's actually heartbreaking yeah it is and

00:14:23.580 you know again we don't really want any special treatment when we're out covering these things

00:14:28.800 but we don't want to be assaulted if we're standing on the sidewall covering it i mean

00:14:33.280 they don't get to say you you're penned in over here by the way when we pen you in with it where

00:14:37.740 they put bikes all around they have their own marshals their own police services i'm talking 0.83

00:14:41.320 about the anti-semite kind of hamas supporting groups and some of them are communists it's like 0.57

00:14:47.620 a red green alliance or whatever it is they get to hit you with their bike like you hit it under 0.68

00:14:52.880 your shin really hard and it hurts you're not going to die you may not go to the hospital but

00:14:57.320 you don't really deserve that but if you say anything to them you're going to get taken down

00:15:01.860 by the police and you did in your case uh you know you want to talk about what happened uh

00:15:08.020 because there's a lot of censor things that happened and one of them that really stands

00:15:11.920 out for me is the den for shooting where you know 16 total there was two young women that

00:15:18.040 were murdered the guy that did all this what had just been you know i can't remember his

00:15:23.740 background but he'd just been to pakistan i discovered that within you know maybe a month

00:15:28.800 or two or certainly that year he'd been over in pakistan and i was really curious about what his

00:15:35.020 motives were because in the middle of it i remember you playing the clip because i did get the clip

00:15:39.740 i interviewed the guy that owned a restaurant there and he spared that guy he said no you know

00:15:45.220 you're okay you're okay you stand over there he continued on to shoot mostly girls and um you know

00:15:51.940 he put one young lady into a wheelchair he killed those those two you know those young women and

00:15:58.300 again uh we weren't really ever given an answer for that that was a terror attack that was an

00:16:03.600 islamic terror attack it's covered up in mississauga actually when i think about it it's

00:16:09.040 not very far from the school it's called chicken land restaurant it's actually in a like an esso

00:16:15.500 complex where there's a domino's it's a great place to get chicken if you're ever in the area 1.00

00:16:19.420 nice family they went in and tried to kill that whole family these were all islamic converts 0.97

00:16:24.520 they were converted in a strip mall near the airport i wrote about all this and i did my own 0.72

00:16:30.140 videos of it but i was in the trial that was an islamic you know funded by isis group again no

00:16:39.680 you didn't even know that i mean i'm sure the audience is watching this going are you sure

00:16:44.340 this is true you can read it and it's true uh that was in the trudeau government i think both

00:16:50.040 of those were they were covered up so when you cover up things like that you're not going to say

00:16:55.480 worry about this broken windows thing it's interesting ezra that you mentioned they broke

00:16:59.680 windows that's exactly what i thought when i was standing there looking at this and i i was i mean

00:17:05.100 i didn't get to see all of it because they had they very quickly to their credit they picked it

00:17:08.940 up for a bunch of reasons maybe the one that you said but i don't think that's really it

00:17:12.900 but i saw enough of it to understand and i thought the same thing and i think that of all these things

00:17:18.100 with the anti-Semitism that the reason why I've had so many people say to me well you're not Jewish

00:17:23.960 but what you know what is it why why you write about this all the time what the heck has that

00:17:29.640 got to do with anything I mean I would do the same thing if it was towards any religion

00:17:33.320 it is what it is and we're not going to tolerate that and you know that's why I'm proud to work

00:17:41.800 at the Toronto Sun because we did stand up to it it wasn't just me because all these great

00:17:46.660 colleagues brian passview and brian lily and obviously warren kinsella and our editor

00:17:50.780 we fought this scourge of anti-semitism that was you know basically on fire for the last three

00:17:58.720 hours including to the point where we're shooting into synagogues and into you know three times into

00:18:04.520 a girl's skull and uh and this isn't over yet um i don't think people take it seriously and you're

00:18:10.740 right they normalize it now and that's what i write about all the time i don't want to normalize

00:18:14.760 these crimes so i don't try to shock people i just try to say here's what it really is

00:18:19.240 yeah oh you know you you don't just gloss this over and go on and check the scores of the nhl

00:18:24.320 playoffs this is happening right in your community and your kid or your wife which we've had all

00:18:29.840 these things happen to be hit with one of these straight bullets at any time we've had all that

00:18:33.580 happen yeah wow well and you're right the toronto sun has been outstanding you know just today i

00:18:39.540 saw uh there's a former senior police officer he was a very senior i think a homicide detective

00:18:45.740 his name was hank idzinga and um yeah i'm not originally from toronto so i'm unfamiliar with

00:18:51.440 him but he wrote a book about policing and you know i'm not surprised that he has criticisms of

00:18:58.060 a police department i mean that's not rare police department is an organization that would have

00:19:03.300 troubles like any organization and it's always a controversy so i'm not surprised there were

00:19:08.060 criticisms of the police department what did surprise me was this senior guy one of the best

00:19:13.400 known cops in toronto accuses with some detail the police department of having anti-semitism

00:19:21.920 within it in a manner that actually not just sort of you know the odd uh rough language i mean i i

00:19:29.000 think sometimes you have a masculine high stress environment military police you're going to have

00:19:34.580 people blowing off steam maybe saying some some epithets frankly that doesn't bother me that much

00:19:40.620 but what what this officer hank jenga says is that no it actually you actually have people who

00:19:48.440 are anti-semitic and they are being deployed to the anti-semitic hate crime so if you call a

00:19:54.700 complain about some anti-semitic crime the guy you're talking to may share the view of the

00:20:02.700 criminal. I think that's the takeaway. Here, take a look at this clip from an interview. I'm

00:20:07.320 pleasantly surprised the CBC did with this officer. Here, take a look. Do you have any reason to think

00:20:12.480 that they then took those abhorrent behaviors into the public realm? The senior officers would have

00:20:18.960 very little interaction with the public realm. But if you look at those senior officers who are

00:20:26.540 still in control when we have our post-October 7th protests

00:20:32.800 going on, and everyone's scratching their head

00:20:35.680 and saying, why aren't the police doing anything here?

00:20:38.280 Why are we not seeing a response when

00:20:41.300 it's this particular community that's being victimized?

00:20:44.540 And that very well might explain some of it

00:20:46.480 right there and then.

00:20:47.780 Do you have any reason to believe

00:20:49.100 that anti-Semitic senior officers were in charge

00:20:52.800 of decisions around deployments around those protests?

00:20:55.540 Absolutely.

00:20:56.840 Police services exist to serve the population.

00:20:59.640 So to talk with Hank Insinga is to know

00:21:02.240 some listening will nod in sad recognition.

00:21:05.280 Others will be newly rattled and maybe scared.

00:21:08.480 I'm trying to imagine the position of a citizen

00:21:12.460 who wants to call the police

00:21:14.560 because of anti-Semitic or racist behavior

00:21:18.000 that they feel victim to.

00:21:19.260 Do they have reason to feel safe in making that call?

00:21:22.040 If you call to make a complaint about anti-Semitic behavior,

00:21:26.840 let's say, just to package that in a nutshell,

00:21:30.440 you need to be aware that the person you're making

00:21:33.880 that complaint to very well might be an anti-Semite themselves.

00:21:38.860 That's why you have to constantly stay on top

00:21:41.960 of that complaint that you've made.

00:21:44.620 Who's it been assigned to?

00:21:46.900 What's their contact info?

00:21:49.300 What's going on with it?

00:21:51.400 that's something the public really needs to do so what do you make of that that surprised me i did

00:21:55.880 not expect that um well no i i mean i guess i was a little surprised with it i mean it certainly

00:22:04.440 shook me up when i watched it the language that was used towards you know hank and zinka it was

00:22:11.940 a very quality i mean i knew him very well for many years in fact his career kind of mirrored

00:22:17.480 my career at the sun he started around the same time i did at the sun and he started the police

00:22:21.700 so i've known him a long time i knew him as a detective i sort of because he's such a big guy

00:22:26.520 i saw him around 51 division where the toronto sun was for many decades so he's a quality guy

00:22:32.880 everybody respects him so if he's saying it um you know i'm gonna give it a full uh hearing to

00:22:39.160 to hear what he has to say um i think the the thing about this is that if this was ezra levant

00:22:48.040 that say walked on a sidewalk and took a picture he'd be arrested and you know if it was and put

00:22:54.400 in handcuffs and put into a jail cell if it was david mezzi's he would be assaulted his head would

00:23:00.760 be smashed up against the wall as hard as they can and then down on the ground and hit his head on

00:23:05.780 the ground and they would investigate that and they would arrest him and charge him if he was

00:23:10.700 taking a picture out the window of his car when he sees some police officers he would get a six

00:23:16.260 hundred dollar ticket so if anybody thinks that hank and zing was saying they where he was inside

00:23:24.840 did these things and they go yeah and so what well if david menzies had done it there would be a

00:23:31.700 reaction to it it's not just about you know the the police and i'm pro-police cop i work a pro-cop

00:23:39.340 reporter and i work with them uh very well and we have had lots of disagreements but we find a way

00:23:46.020 to make it work uh but making it work is to remind them that it's not their club that's our club we

00:23:52.140 own that they work for us and their job is to police for everybody and you know they're not

00:23:58.320 above the law i mean there's a police officer that was charged just in this the same news cycle that

00:24:03.300 we're talking about now and he was charged for giving information through the computer system

00:24:08.440 you know accessing it as it shouldn't have been 10 month veteran um i'm not sure his i don't have

00:24:14.940 his name in front of me something like constable hassan or whatever 10 months on the job i don't

00:24:19.220 know why he still has a job because uh you know but if he was david menzies and he was taking a

00:24:24.420 picture the police would be pretty interested in it um and so you know it it's the double standard

00:24:30.720 they i think that's the thing they're afraid you know the mayor obviously is proven herself to be 0.79

00:24:36.260 no friend of israel or jewish people i mean she's not only not gone to things she's lied and her

00:24:41.560 office lied to me about it particularly the one year anniversary of october 7th i mean they lied

00:24:46.540 to me and i reported all that so it's not a surprise that you know there's not a an interest

00:24:53.960 to get to the bottom but let me ask you this question if there was a police officer got up

00:24:57.580 and said that there was this kind of thing against homosexuals in the gay community or against you

00:25:04.180 know uh the the muslim community would it be oh shucks there's nothing to it no we would be the

00:25:09.520 first one saying i want to get to the bottom of that you know um inspector hinzinga also mentioned

00:25:15.700 about racism towards black youth as well and that's part of the story that i think needs to

00:25:22.120 looked at so i think what i'd like to see happen is that it'd be taken as seriously as they took

00:25:27.440 david manzi's filming that and i don't want to see anybody arrested like he gets arrested where

00:25:33.000 he gets pushed and shoved and put into the hospital uh i don't want anything like that

00:25:38.300 but it would be nice if there would be somebody come along and say you know we are going to

00:25:41.420 investigate this because this is coming from a whistleblower at the very top and we're going to

00:25:46.400 give him a hearing and we're not going to run him down or criticize him make him feel like he's you

00:25:51.700 needs to be afraid of them we're going to do better than that because we work for the people

00:25:55.860 and we're going to find it one last point on that you know we had the corruption

00:25:59.460 a case which they call project south where there's been eight i think it's you know eight maybe it's

00:26:05.540 more like 10 now officers that have been charged in in that thing and it was very similar to that

00:26:10.900 case i mentioned and you know it's interesting that you had two of your reporters there uh

00:26:17.540 david the benzoid menzies and lincoln jay and they were not allowed in there's interaction of that

00:26:23.620 they were threatened to rent with arrest it's a corruption case and you know this kind of thing

00:26:31.080 but the reporters that have the biggest audience are not allowed in or they face arrest i came out

00:26:36.240 and i did an interview right away because i didn't like that i think that it's a free press and i

00:26:40.880 would rather they do the interview about the corruption but since there was no one willing

00:26:45.280 to talk to your people but it was interesting in that thing the chief myra demke he took control

00:26:53.060 of that corruption thing and it became his press conference this was up in york region this is not

00:26:58.160 his police service it was another police service to discover these these serious allegations and

00:27:04.060 eventual charges but it became about myron demke the chief he took it over he didn't do it at his

00:27:09.980 own place he did it there and so you know there's no accountability that's ever going to happen if

00:27:16.560 the people that are being accused of something are going to be the ones to say don't worry we got

00:27:21.400 this we'll we'll look into it and we'll let you know and by the way if you ask too many questions 0.91

00:27:25.780 we might just give you the menzies treatment and beat the crap out of you and we might do what we 0.93

00:27:30.500 did to ezra and put you in jail um so you know it's a pretty serious thing that we're talking 0.97

00:27:37.260 about here and uh you know i'm saying that as a pro police guy i mean i i love dealing with them

00:27:43.120 i'm working with them as we speak they know how i feel i just want them to be as good as they can be

00:27:48.880 and remember who they work for and that's that's that i think that's all you can do as a reporter

00:27:53.620 and a columnist you know it's it's sad to me i mean the general crime way put aside the the

00:27:58.880 anti-semitic part toronto is in its worst crime wave i think in history just in terms of quote

00:28:04.000 regular crime we all laughed at that clip of the officer giving advice to homeowners to put their

00:28:08.740 key fobs near the doors to so the home invaders don't have to search through the whole house

00:28:13.280 i'm it's it's changing the nature of the of the city and of the country and i look south of the

00:28:20.460 border i look to the new york police department which is really one of the most well-known and

00:28:25.340 in many ways most trusted and most beloved police forces in the world it's actually also a major

00:28:31.120 counter-terrorism police force obviously in new york city uh the the place of the 9-11 attacks

00:28:37.460 and i'm worried that it too will be transformed by its anti-police

00:28:43.540 mayor who has been accused of islamism his wife certainly has made extreme comments i'm really

00:28:51.940 worried and when i grew up everyone trusted and respected and looked up to the police

00:28:58.540 and and that's that Robert Peel's rules of policing to be a you know have the consent of

00:29:04.080 the community the support of the community and you were just a spokesman of the community really

00:29:08.080 the police is the expression of the community's will and when when there's a difference between

00:29:13.840 the police agenda and the community agenda that's when things fall apart and I'm really worried

00:29:18.620 about that that's one of the things in Canada you know the Mountie was our symbol the trustworthy

00:29:24.700 uncorruptible and uh i really feel like we're losing that i i like the fact that you've got

00:29:30.400 the police beat i like the fact that the police know you give them a fair shake so the good cops

00:29:34.860 still talk to you well and there and there are more good cops than ones that are trouble and

00:29:40.220 even some of the ones that get into trouble are are you know there are people you know human

00:29:44.580 beings you know there's many cases i mean the case of the you know the exam cheating where you had

00:29:50.300 one officer giving minority officers all the answers before the questions and of course there's

00:29:56.800 not a lot of ramifications for that but you know that's a pretty serious thing to do

00:30:00.540 i mean police service you know i i think it was the most racist part of it was actually

00:30:05.880 that senior officer thinking that those you know young men and women couldn't pass the test

00:30:10.760 themselves i mean i that's what shocked me the most i would think that you know if somebody gave

00:30:16.580 me the answers to the question i would say well no i'll answer the questions because i can answer

00:30:20.620 them i'm ready for this i want this job or this promotion because i've bloody well earned it

00:30:25.340 as opposed yeah i don't think i can handle it but but you've got these kinds of things so you've got

00:30:30.280 this kind of um mentality there another officer you know that goes to an accident scene and drives

00:30:36.940 her relative home so that doesn't happen to david manzies he gets his head slammed into the wall

00:30:42.080 so so it um you know if we don't point these things out we do it at great risk i mean if they

00:30:47.640 want to come and you know uh do whatever they do but the reality of it is that like they're not

00:30:53.320 gods over there uh they're there to protect us you know you mentioned robert peele sir robert

00:30:57.840 peele i thought a lot about that um over the years i mean it started really around the g20 time

00:31:04.040 when i saw what went on there and then you know and of course there's been many great things as

00:31:08.980 well even now there's some really interesting investigations going on and got to give them

00:31:13.280 full marks for those things but i think the sir robert peel thing needs to be dusted off and i

00:31:17.660 think what you'll see in the next 50 years uh if it continues along this route where you know you've

00:31:24.500 got to basically leave your keys so they can steal it without hurting you and that's what's happening

00:31:29.440 there's 35 cars a day that are stolen in toronto and it's about maybe 55 or 60 every day and around

00:31:36.720 the gta and they you know they've done a better job of catching some of these guys but it's still

00:31:41.420 there you're going to see a different model of policing where a place like that mall the fairview

00:31:46.660 mall cadillac fairview they'll have their own police service like you see in the u.s um they'll

00:31:52.080 be armed and they'll they'll be a unit they will have a liaison with the toronto police or the

00:31:57.200 police if it's square one or whatever it won't be sitting guards we had a security guard that was

00:32:03.780 shot in the midsection here at fairview mall just uh this week and he's in uh you know in

00:32:12.140 stable condition now and they're looking for the suspect but can you think about the escalation

00:32:17.500 to your point earlier is how people gloss that over like oh well well think about that every day

00:32:23.100 there's a guy shot uh because some thug comes in to steal jewelry i mean that is really provocative

00:32:32.200 um you know and and disturbing so i i think the the appeal model is going to have to be reformed

00:32:39.420 it can't just be and the other thing is i've said this before the police officers make more than

00:32:43.240 double triple more than the people that they're policing and that's a problem too you know the

00:32:49.280 chiefs of police are all up under 500 000 plus some of them are 600 000 so they're like

00:32:54.400 kind of like um you know tv actors stars or or sports stars they're making that kind of money i

00:33:01.180 don't uh mind if you earn that kind of money on the private sector you know if you're good at

00:33:07.000 something like elon musk and you can make a trillion dollars uh go and do it but on a public

00:33:12.640 job when your job is to do a policing job it's no it's you know the being a plumber or it's more

00:33:18.680 than with the prime minister jobs right and and so so you know i think that when you know that's

00:33:24.180 one thing that the police should make a very very fair living but when they're making more a lot

00:33:30.020 more three times more ten times more the people they please say it's just an untenable situation

00:33:35.400 i don't think they want to get their hands dirty with some of it and i think that's a problem too

00:33:39.900 but uh we're not going to solve it all but the one thing about back to the anti-semitism

00:33:44.260 you know we can do something about that and that would start with and i haven't seen any reaction

00:33:48.960 at all we'll see we'll give it a few days i guess but you know if someone came to you ezra and said

00:33:55.720 look, instead of your unit, you've got anti-Semitism, and it's a really serious thing,

00:34:01.000 and the things that Hank and Zynga said were said, they were said. You say, oh, well, you know what?

00:34:05.540 No, I'm denying that, and I'll live in denial and head in the sand and not worry about it. Or do you

00:34:10.500 say, you know what? We'll get to the bottom of that, give a fair hearing to those that are

00:34:14.420 receiving these allegations or that kind of thing, but we're going to look into it because

00:34:21.340 it's of the interest the best interest of the city the company whatever that's not happening

00:34:26.020 I mean it's nothing but if it was David Benzies or yourself it would be happening yeah well listen

00:34:31.580 it's great to connect with you my friend keep up the great work at the Toronto Sun and we I think

00:34:37.980 the first part of solving a problem is exposing the problem is telling people about the problem

00:34:43.540 and I think that's something you do very well and we try and do here and other media like the

00:34:48.800 toronto star you know there's that joke they cover the story yeah they cover it with a pillow

00:34:53.040 until it stops moving i mean sometimes uh the worst abuses in this country are deliberately

00:34:59.400 unreported by the regime media because they don't want to expose issues whether it's

00:35:05.560 anti-submit i mean i i don't think any of these problems are going to get better until we stop

00:35:09.600 mass immigration that's where i'm coming from on that stuff i think everything else is just

00:35:13.620 and incidental to them but i think you know just on the mass immigration thing i mean look um

00:35:19.540 there's in the true to where is where it really went wrong this is my view of it and i have

00:35:25.260 studied it closely is that you said this country is is uh you know racist it's uh all these 0.92

00:35:31.860 homophobic it's all these things it's a horrible country and when you come here you should hate it 0.93

00:35:36.940 and in fact don't even put your own flag up and do your own thing this country doesn't it's a 0.99

00:35:41.540 post-national state it sucks that was the prime minister said yeah and he excuses us of genocide 0.89

00:35:47.120 too by the way you know genocide and they lied about all that stuff i mean you know talking about 0.80

00:35:52.400 the uh residential schools again you know there's a lot of anti-catholic anti-christian stuff i mean

00:35:57.140 you talk about it you went down to cover the church in quebec which you know again that's

00:36:02.100 where i got my coverage from you for doing that um and uh i haven't really i covered the church

00:36:08.120 here that burned in toronto is the saint anne's church that was an arson as well i mean you hardly

00:36:12.960 even know about it but it was and we don't know what happened in quebec but it looks like it was

00:36:16.800 an arson from what i've heard from your coverage and from making my own calls um and so you know

00:36:23.480 when you tell people that christianity is bad or uh you know all the things that you mentioned

00:36:29.220 before about the genocide that didn't happen at the residential schools um you know that you you

00:36:35.560 can see why they've sort of opened the lane for people to to feel that they can do what they want

00:36:39.900 and you know i think um there's a lot of these things that we're seeing with these charges with

00:36:44.160 the southern poverty law center yeah i've always felt that this kind of stuff is going on around

00:36:49.320 here where people are being funded to do these things it's hard to prove but you certainly see

00:36:55.340 some of the strategies and and you know these kinds of things so you know it's important work

00:37:01.540 that i think that you do that we all do which is you know it's a little different um say for rebel

00:37:07.920 than it is for the toronto sun obviously uh one is sort of a corporate mainstream media which is

00:37:13.600 what i work for and independent media what you do or what dream assad uh does out there i think you

00:37:20.000 need all of it though and i think the public needs all of it um you need to be true to it i come out

00:37:25.540 of a generation i've been a reporter and a columnist for 40 years um you know i came out of

00:37:31.480 college in 1986 and since then i've been the same i'm a little heavier and older but i just approach

00:37:39.400 every story exactly the same way and you know it's interesting to see who likes it and who doesn't

00:37:45.440 like it and sometimes the same people are on both sides at some point because over 40 years you're

00:37:50.600 going to piss people off yeah but that's how i approach it call balls and strikes like a good

00:37:55.520 umpire a good referee in hockey you know call it fair and uh and that's what i try to do and

00:38:02.500 on this case uh with hank and zinga i think someone like that is saying the things that he

00:38:08.000 is saying uh somebody should say you know what we're gonna take a look at that and we'll make

00:38:13.280 sure that for you the public that it's uh looked into we promise because we care about you you

00:38:18.500 work for you that's what it's about joe great to see again we gotta we gotta end it there

00:38:23.840 and folks can check out joe on twitter which is where i follow him mainly but also obviously his

00:38:30.240 columns in the toronto sun well that's our show for the day until tomorrow on behalf of all of

00:38:35.360 us here at rebel world headquarters to you at home good night and keep fighting for freedom

Rebel News Podcast - April 23, 2026

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Is Canada’s biggest police force compromised from within ... and can it be saved？

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