EZRA LEVANT ｜ Is Canada’s biggest police force compromised from within ... and can it be saved？
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A feature interview with Toronto's most popular columnist, Joe Warmington. We talk about the police beat, the anti-Semitic protest beat, and what is going on in not just Toronto's police force, but police forces around North America.
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Hello, my friends, a very special show today, a feature interview with Toronto's most popular
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columnist. He's also a great news reporter. I'm talking about my friend Joe Warmington.
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We're going to talk about the police beat, the anti-Semitic protest beat, and what is going on
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in not just Toronto, but police forces around North America. You're not going to want to miss
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tonight is canada's largest police force corrupt is it anti-semitic can it be saved
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It's April 23rd, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.
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Well, I grew up in Alberta, not in Calgary proper.
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In fact, we lived west of the city in a rural place.
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But I had the exposure to cowboys and Indians, I guess you could say.
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And I should say that my sister and I were the only Jewish kids at the country school we went to.
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There were two black kids and two Chinese kids and two Sikh kids.
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And I'm happy to say, and it was a wonderful childhood,
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I never once in my entire life encountered anti-Semitism.
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In fact, it was sort of the opposite. Everyone who talked about the issue, which was not many,
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wanted to know more about being Jewish. In fact, I felt it was sort of a burden.
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I had to study up on it so I could provide answers. It was a wonderful childhood,
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and Canadians are so friendly and welcoming. It feels very different now, but the kind people
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who I grew up with west of Calgary have not changed. They're not suddenly anti-Semitic,
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And the country that I remember in the 70s and 80s and 90s, that part of Canada is still
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I think there's two strains of anti-Semitism in this country.
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One is the academic left-wing woke anti-Semitism, which views the world through the lens of
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And they've decided that Israel, even though it's a land made up of refugees, even though
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it is multiracial there are arab jews there are black jews there are russian jews they've decided
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that that is a country of oppressors so the woke left especially in academia hates jews all right
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fine that's not great but it's a limited number however add to that unlimited immigration from
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parts of the world where 99 of people just are anti-semitic it's just how it is and i and i base
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that on studies by the pew research institute which is a non-partisan massive global opinion
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company that sometimes asks third world countries their views on women and gays and america and
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jews if we are bringing in millions of people from anti-semitic places like pakistan and
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Afghanistan and North Africa, should it be surprising to us that people who hop on a plane
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bring with them their ancient views? And so I hate to say it, but Canada is becoming an
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anti-Semitic country, not because those kindly people amongst whom I grew up 30, 40 years ago
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have changed. They haven't changed at all. It's partly because of the academic left,
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but it's mainly because we have brought into our shores people who just plain hate Jews and that's
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a subset of their larger hatred for the West. That's my opinion at least but every week I feel
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like I have more evidence supporting my opinion. This week there was a massive outburst of anti-Semitic
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vandalism at a school in the greater Toronto area and then there was a shocking confession
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or accusation by a 34-year police officer in the Toronto Police Service.
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Here to talk about those two news items to see whether or not they fit my thesis
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is our friend Joe Warmington, the senior columnist at the Toronto Sun newspaper.
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And interesting to hear you talk about your Western roots and how you grew up.
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it's uh you know i was an army brat and i lived all over the place and you're right i had never
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really encountered you know i didn't grow up jewish but i mean i didn't encounter any kind
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of racism or even understand it i think that was partially because of living in the military
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world where you had everybody from everywhere and we were raised in an international kind of way
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until the last three years really i mean i certainly covered anti-semitic stories for
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sun media in my career but i never knew it was anything like this interesting you equate the
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reasons for it i think that's one of the reasons i mean there's people that come from places
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and that's the way it is in those places but it's way more than that it's a pandering and
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of tolerance that was allowed to happen and you know i called it really that very first night
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which i'm not sure the date i think the first time i went to what i dubbed the gaza plaza which is
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in mississauga where there was a celebration of some sort of thing over the october 7th slaughter
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the you know horrific situation where more than 1200 you know jews canadians americans people
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from israel all of that were murdered in cold blood and there was a whole bunch of hostages
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250 hostages taking all that and they were celebrating i was like an assault to the system
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and it woke me up really instantly i knew something was wrong there then the next night
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or the night after down at young and blue in toronto uh which turns out to be the israeli
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consulate but i didn't know that there was a building there that was being built and there
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was a whole bunch of people that were you know anti-israel and they were really really celebrating
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all of this israel had not responded at all yet there was lots of complaints about israel but they
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were the victims there was nothing to complain about you know what they later complained about
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but at this stage nothing had happened and they were on top of the buildings they had these torches
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going and it was kind of a wild scene i took out my camera which i always do is you know the
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you know you do it too and started filming it and taking pictures and uh and i talked to you
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when i was on your show the last time and a police officer came in and really hit me i don't know how
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because i didn't see him but hard and i'm you know in my 60s so i don't want to be hit anytime
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i certainly don't want to be sucker punched and he did that and i i didn't like that i i mentioned
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like i'm taking a picture i was the only person that wasn't breaking the law there
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including that officer who broke the law when he assaulted me and i looked over there was a lot of
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police officers and they were laughing they were laughing at me they liked it they enjoyed it i
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told them that i was joe warmington toronto sun columnist and in you know 35 years of covering
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the streets i've never ever had that happen where i'm taking pictures of people that are going up
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on the building uh that are you know violating that building there you know a lot of racial slurs
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towards israel and jewish people and all kinds of things i mean river didn't see all of that was
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happening it was new we weren't used to it yet but the one guy was in trouble was me for taking
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a picture of it and right away that was the the beginning of me understanding not fully but in
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retrospect i really understood it now i saw what happened to you i covered that in fact i think
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you were on the front page of the Toronto Sun for being arrested for doing what for doing exactly
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what I did taking a picture of somebody that came into a neighborhood where a lot of Jewish people
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live and did a cosplay something from Gaza with the chair and the blood and all that stuff
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that's all you did you took a picture and you were arrested and you're put in a jail cell your
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liberty was taken from you and your dignity and all that stuff maybe it gave you some street cred
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in a way but i don't think that that is really the issue the issue is that you're on the sidewalk
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taking a picture so all that long story comes back to the question of what we see now what they
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really said was go get them you can do anything you want you can shoot up at jewish schools you
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can shoot up at synagogues you can vandalize what you want you can take over neighborhoods
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and you can do really at will we're not going to do anything about it in fact they tried to make
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it that it was a real us and them thing the victims were the people in israel the hostages
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were real and they wanted to gloss all that over now here we are you know further down the line
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and you've seen police try to do a little better lately and i think they have done better
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but out in peel region in mississauga at a very quiet you know aaron mills neighborhood not known
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for too much crime uh but there was a gun call at this school a month ago which i wrote about
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and then of course there was this incident where as efran your producer was saying that i didn't
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think of it this way but he said they wrote whole paragraphs this is true it wasn't just the tagging
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of anti-semitic sentiment or you know all kinds of things about catholics and everything else
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there because it's a catholic school but it was really a manifesto uh if you will all on the walls
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of the community center out front mentioned israel mentioned um all kinds of things which i'm sure
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you've got some b-roll on it and you know i'm still not sure what it was i don't know what
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the police are doing about i'm waiting i'm still trying to write about that but i said to the
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police um feel please have a good relationship that you can't treat this as just kids doing
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this this is way more than that this is a coordinated effort i would like to see an
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arrest in this case i know the courts will just think it's hilarious um but i don't find it
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hilarious i know the people that were coming and going the students there uh they're all you know
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you can see they were i overheard them talking about how much it upset them and then all the
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people coming to the gym the pool the library and all that were just right adjacent or adjoined
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to that school and that shook them up to mr mississauga we never saw anything like that
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so it's uh it's a big deal and i'll stop for a minute because i know you want to talk about
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the police but that sets up you know i think a really good sort of um synopsis of where we're
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at here you know you you remind me of um a theory that was first tried out in new york city which
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was a crime-ridden city in the 70s it was lawless uh it was a dangerous one of the most dangerous
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cities in america and uh there's a theory by an economist named james q wilson and it was
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nicknamed the broken windows theory and it was if there was a let's say an old factory or something
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um that was standing there for week after month after month if you broke one window if you threw
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a rock and broke one window if that window was not it was not fixed quickly soon every window
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would be broken because you're sending the message you're sending a couple of messages first of all
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no one is looking no one is cares no one's paying attention and second of all we're fine with this
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so number one you're not at risk and number two we don't really care another way that this is
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applied is if a car is parked you park a fancy car in a bad neighborhood if a window is smashed
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in very quickly the whole car is stripped so rudy giuliani when he took over new york city in the
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after the disastrous 70s took an approach where no we're going to do a broken window style of
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policing we're going to capture you for jaywalking all those small things we're going to send two
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messages someone is watching and we do care as a society what what you've described is
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is changing the culture of toronto from what used to be called toronto the good
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where there was a high trust society people looked out for one another
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to a place where we now accept a constant uh throbbing anti-semitic crime wave and that's
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just normal now and we've we've not only telegraphed that to those who would do the crimes
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but we've internalized it ourselves that's toronto now you don't see politicians anymore
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saying this isn't our Toronto because actually it is for two and a half years this is accepted
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it's true so they don't even pretend it's not Toronto but it's because of the things you
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described police allowing things and in your shocking case police hitting you because you
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were documenting it and that is what they did to me so it's so sad to see a marvelous world-class
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city like toronto um in a in a very short course of time huge crime waves and the message is no
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one's watching and even if we were we don't care it's it's actually heartbreaking yeah it is and
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you know again we don't really want any special treatment when we're out covering these things
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but we don't want to be assaulted if we're standing on the sidewall covering it i mean
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they don't get to say you you're penned in over here by the way when we pen you in with it where
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they put bikes all around they have their own marshals their own police services i'm talking
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about the anti-semite kind of hamas supporting groups and some of them are communists it's like
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a red green alliance or whatever it is they get to hit you with their bike like you hit it under
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your shin really hard and it hurts you're not going to die you may not go to the hospital but
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you don't really deserve that but if you say anything to them you're going to get taken down
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by the police and you did in your case uh you know you want to talk about what happened uh
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because there's a lot of censor things that happened and one of them that really stands
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out for me is the den for shooting where you know 16 total there was two young women that
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were murdered the guy that did all this what had just been you know i can't remember his
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background but he'd just been to pakistan i discovered that within you know maybe a month
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or two or certainly that year he'd been over in pakistan and i was really curious about what his
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motives were because in the middle of it i remember you playing the clip because i did get the clip
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i interviewed the guy that owned a restaurant there and he spared that guy he said no you know
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you're okay you're okay you stand over there he continued on to shoot mostly girls and um you know
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he put one young lady into a wheelchair he killed those those two you know those young women and
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again uh we weren't really ever given an answer for that that was a terror attack that was an
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islamic terror attack it's covered up in mississauga actually when i think about it it's
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not very far from the school it's called chicken land restaurant it's actually in a like an esso
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complex where there's a domino's it's a great place to get chicken if you're ever in the area
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nice family they went in and tried to kill that whole family these were all islamic converts
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they were converted in a strip mall near the airport i wrote about all this and i did my own
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videos of it but i was in the trial that was an islamic you know funded by isis group again no
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you didn't even know that i mean i'm sure the audience is watching this going are you sure
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this is true you can read it and it's true uh that was in the trudeau government i think both
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of those were they were covered up so when you cover up things like that you're not going to say
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worry about this broken windows thing it's interesting ezra that you mentioned they broke
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windows that's exactly what i thought when i was standing there looking at this and i i was i mean
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i didn't get to see all of it because they had they very quickly to their credit they picked it
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up for a bunch of reasons maybe the one that you said but i don't think that's really it
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but i saw enough of it to understand and i thought the same thing and i think that of all these things
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with the anti-Semitism that the reason why I've had so many people say to me well you're not Jewish
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but what you know what is it why why you write about this all the time what the heck has that
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got to do with anything I mean I would do the same thing if it was towards any religion
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it is what it is and we're not going to tolerate that and you know that's why I'm proud to work
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at the Toronto Sun because we did stand up to it it wasn't just me because all these great
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colleagues brian passview and brian lily and obviously warren kinsella and our editor
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we fought this scourge of anti-semitism that was you know basically on fire for the last three
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hours including to the point where we're shooting into synagogues and into you know three times into
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a girl's skull and uh and this isn't over yet um i don't think people take it seriously and you're
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right they normalize it now and that's what i write about all the time i don't want to normalize
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these crimes so i don't try to shock people i just try to say here's what it really is
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yeah oh you know you you don't just gloss this over and go on and check the scores of the nhl
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playoffs this is happening right in your community and your kid or your wife which we've had all
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these things happen to be hit with one of these straight bullets at any time we've had all that
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happen yeah wow well and you're right the toronto sun has been outstanding you know just today i
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saw uh there's a former senior police officer he was a very senior i think a homicide detective
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his name was hank idzinga and um yeah i'm not originally from toronto so i'm unfamiliar with
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him but he wrote a book about policing and you know i'm not surprised that he has criticisms of
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a police department i mean that's not rare police department is an organization that would have
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troubles like any organization and it's always a controversy so i'm not surprised there were
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criticisms of the police department what did surprise me was this senior guy one of the best
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known cops in toronto accuses with some detail the police department of having anti-semitism
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within it in a manner that actually not just sort of you know the odd uh rough language i mean i i
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think sometimes you have a masculine high stress environment military police you're going to have
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people blowing off steam maybe saying some some epithets frankly that doesn't bother me that much
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but what what this officer hank jenga says is that no it actually you actually have people who
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are anti-semitic and they are being deployed to the anti-semitic hate crime so if you call a
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complain about some anti-semitic crime the guy you're talking to may share the view of the
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criminal. I think that's the takeaway. Here, take a look at this clip from an interview. I'm
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pleasantly surprised the CBC did with this officer. Here, take a look. Do you have any reason to think
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that they then took those abhorrent behaviors into the public realm? The senior officers would have
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very little interaction with the public realm. But if you look at those senior officers who are
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still in control when we have our post-October 7th protests
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and saying, why aren't the police doing anything here?
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it's this particular community that's being victimized?
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that anti-Semitic senior officers were in charge
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of decisions around deployments around those protests?
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I'm trying to imagine the position of a citizen
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Do they have reason to feel safe in making that call?
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If you call to make a complaint about anti-Semitic behavior,
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you need to be aware that the person you're making
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that complaint to very well might be an anti-Semite themselves.
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that's something the public really needs to do so what do you make of that that surprised me i did
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not expect that um well no i i mean i guess i was a little surprised with it i mean it certainly
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shook me up when i watched it the language that was used towards you know hank and zinka it was
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a very quality i mean i knew him very well for many years in fact his career kind of mirrored
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my career at the sun he started around the same time i did at the sun and he started the police
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so i've known him a long time i knew him as a detective i sort of because he's such a big guy
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i saw him around 51 division where the toronto sun was for many decades so he's a quality guy
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everybody respects him so if he's saying it um you know i'm gonna give it a full uh hearing to
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to hear what he has to say um i think the the thing about this is that if this was ezra levant
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that say walked on a sidewalk and took a picture he'd be arrested and you know if it was and put
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in handcuffs and put into a jail cell if it was david mezzi's he would be assaulted his head would
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be smashed up against the wall as hard as they can and then down on the ground and hit his head on
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the ground and they would investigate that and they would arrest him and charge him if he was
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taking a picture out the window of his car when he sees some police officers he would get a six
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hundred dollar ticket so if anybody thinks that hank and zing was saying they where he was inside
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did these things and they go yeah and so what well if david menzies had done it there would be a
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reaction to it it's not just about you know the the police and i'm pro-police cop i work a pro-cop
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reporter and i work with them uh very well and we have had lots of disagreements but we find a way
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to make it work uh but making it work is to remind them that it's not their club that's our club we
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own that they work for us and their job is to police for everybody and you know they're not
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above the law i mean there's a police officer that was charged just in this the same news cycle that
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we're talking about now and he was charged for giving information through the computer system
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you know accessing it as it shouldn't have been 10 month veteran um i'm not sure his i don't have
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his name in front of me something like constable hassan or whatever 10 months on the job i don't
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know why he still has a job because uh you know but if he was david menzies and he was taking a
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picture the police would be pretty interested in it um and so you know it it's the double standard
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they i think that's the thing they're afraid you know the mayor obviously is proven herself to be
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no friend of israel or jewish people i mean she's not only not gone to things she's lied and her
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office lied to me about it particularly the one year anniversary of october 7th i mean they lied
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to me and i reported all that so it's not a surprise that you know there's not a an interest
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to get to the bottom but let me ask you this question if there was a police officer got up
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and said that there was this kind of thing against homosexuals in the gay community or against you
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know uh the the muslim community would it be oh shucks there's nothing to it no we would be the
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first one saying i want to get to the bottom of that you know um inspector hinzinga also mentioned
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about racism towards black youth as well and that's part of the story that i think needs to
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looked at so i think what i'd like to see happen is that it'd be taken as seriously as they took
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david manzi's filming that and i don't want to see anybody arrested like he gets arrested where
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he gets pushed and shoved and put into the hospital uh i don't want anything like that
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but it would be nice if there would be somebody come along and say you know we are going to
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investigate this because this is coming from a whistleblower at the very top and we're going to
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give him a hearing and we're not going to run him down or criticize him make him feel like he's you
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needs to be afraid of them we're going to do better than that because we work for the people
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and we're going to find it one last point on that you know we had the corruption
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a case which they call project south where there's been eight i think it's you know eight maybe it's
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more like 10 now officers that have been charged in in that thing and it was very similar to that
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case i mentioned and you know it's interesting that you had two of your reporters there uh
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david the benzoid menzies and lincoln jay and they were not allowed in there's interaction of that
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they were threatened to rent with arrest it's a corruption case and you know this kind of thing
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but the reporters that have the biggest audience are not allowed in or they face arrest i came out
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and i did an interview right away because i didn't like that i think that it's a free press and i
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would rather they do the interview about the corruption but since there was no one willing
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to talk to your people but it was interesting in that thing the chief myra demke he took control
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of that corruption thing and it became his press conference this was up in york region this is not
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his police service it was another police service to discover these these serious allegations and
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eventual charges but it became about myron demke the chief he took it over he didn't do it at his
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own place he did it there and so you know there's no accountability that's ever going to happen if
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the people that are being accused of something are going to be the ones to say don't worry we got
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this we'll we'll look into it and we'll let you know and by the way if you ask too many questions
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we might just give you the menzies treatment and beat the crap out of you and we might do what we
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did to ezra and put you in jail um so you know it's a pretty serious thing that we're talking
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about here and uh you know i'm saying that as a pro police guy i mean i i love dealing with them
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i'm working with them as we speak they know how i feel i just want them to be as good as they can be
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and remember who they work for and that's that's that i think that's all you can do as a reporter
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and a columnist you know it's it's sad to me i mean the general crime way put aside the the
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anti-semitic part toronto is in its worst crime wave i think in history just in terms of quote
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regular crime we all laughed at that clip of the officer giving advice to homeowners to put their
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key fobs near the doors to so the home invaders don't have to search through the whole house
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i'm it's it's changing the nature of the of the city and of the country and i look south of the
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border i look to the new york police department which is really one of the most well-known and
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in many ways most trusted and most beloved police forces in the world it's actually also a major
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counter-terrorism police force obviously in new york city uh the the place of the 9-11 attacks
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and i'm worried that it too will be transformed by its anti-police
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mayor who has been accused of islamism his wife certainly has made extreme comments i'm really
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worried and when i grew up everyone trusted and respected and looked up to the police
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and and that's that Robert Peel's rules of policing to be a you know have the consent of
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the community the support of the community and you were just a spokesman of the community really
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the police is the expression of the community's will and when when there's a difference between
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the police agenda and the community agenda that's when things fall apart and I'm really worried
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about that that's one of the things in Canada you know the Mountie was our symbol the trustworthy
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uncorruptible and uh i really feel like we're losing that i i like the fact that you've got
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the police beat i like the fact that the police know you give them a fair shake so the good cops
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still talk to you well and there and there are more good cops than ones that are trouble and
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even some of the ones that get into trouble are are you know there are people you know human
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beings you know there's many cases i mean the case of the you know the exam cheating where you had
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one officer giving minority officers all the answers before the questions and of course there's
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not a lot of ramifications for that but you know that's a pretty serious thing to do
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i mean police service you know i i think it was the most racist part of it was actually
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that senior officer thinking that those you know young men and women couldn't pass the test
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themselves i mean i that's what shocked me the most i would think that you know if somebody gave
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me the answers to the question i would say well no i'll answer the questions because i can answer
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them i'm ready for this i want this job or this promotion because i've bloody well earned it
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as opposed yeah i don't think i can handle it but but you've got these kinds of things so you've got
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this kind of um mentality there another officer you know that goes to an accident scene and drives
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her relative home so that doesn't happen to david manzies he gets his head slammed into the wall
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so so it um you know if we don't point these things out we do it at great risk i mean if they
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want to come and you know uh do whatever they do but the reality of it is that like they're not
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gods over there uh they're there to protect us you know you mentioned robert peele sir robert
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peele i thought a lot about that um over the years i mean it started really around the g20 time
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when i saw what went on there and then you know and of course there's been many great things as
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well even now there's some really interesting investigations going on and got to give them
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full marks for those things but i think the sir robert peel thing needs to be dusted off and i
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think what you'll see in the next 50 years uh if it continues along this route where you know you've
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got to basically leave your keys so they can steal it without hurting you and that's what's happening
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there's 35 cars a day that are stolen in toronto and it's about maybe 55 or 60 every day and around
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the gta and they you know they've done a better job of catching some of these guys but it's still
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there you're going to see a different model of policing where a place like that mall the fairview
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mall cadillac fairview they'll have their own police service like you see in the u.s um they'll
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be armed and they'll they'll be a unit they will have a liaison with the toronto police or the
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police if it's square one or whatever it won't be sitting guards we had a security guard that was
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shot in the midsection here at fairview mall just uh this week and he's in uh you know in
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stable condition now and they're looking for the suspect but can you think about the escalation
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to your point earlier is how people gloss that over like oh well well think about that every day
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there's a guy shot uh because some thug comes in to steal jewelry i mean that is really provocative
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um you know and and disturbing so i i think the the appeal model is going to have to be reformed
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it can't just be and the other thing is i've said this before the police officers make more than
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double triple more than the people that they're policing and that's a problem too you know the
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chiefs of police are all up under 500 000 plus some of them are 600 000 so they're like
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kind of like um you know tv actors stars or or sports stars they're making that kind of money i
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don't uh mind if you earn that kind of money on the private sector you know if you're good at
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something like elon musk and you can make a trillion dollars uh go and do it but on a public
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job when your job is to do a policing job it's no it's you know the being a plumber or it's more
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than with the prime minister jobs right and and so so you know i think that when you know that's
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one thing that the police should make a very very fair living but when they're making more a lot
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more three times more ten times more the people they please say it's just an untenable situation
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i don't think they want to get their hands dirty with some of it and i think that's a problem too
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but uh we're not going to solve it all but the one thing about back to the anti-semitism
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you know we can do something about that and that would start with and i haven't seen any reaction
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at all we'll see we'll give it a few days i guess but you know if someone came to you ezra and said
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look, instead of your unit, you've got anti-Semitism, and it's a really serious thing,
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and the things that Hank and Zynga said were said, they were said. You say, oh, well, you know what?
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No, I'm denying that, and I'll live in denial and head in the sand and not worry about it. Or do you
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say, you know what? We'll get to the bottom of that, give a fair hearing to those that are
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receiving these allegations or that kind of thing, but we're going to look into it because
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it's of the interest the best interest of the city the company whatever that's not happening
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I mean it's nothing but if it was David Benzies or yourself it would be happening yeah well listen
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it's great to connect with you my friend keep up the great work at the Toronto Sun and we I think
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the first part of solving a problem is exposing the problem is telling people about the problem
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and I think that's something you do very well and we try and do here and other media like the
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toronto star you know there's that joke they cover the story yeah they cover it with a pillow
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until it stops moving i mean sometimes uh the worst abuses in this country are deliberately
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unreported by the regime media because they don't want to expose issues whether it's
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anti-submit i mean i i don't think any of these problems are going to get better until we stop
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mass immigration that's where i'm coming from on that stuff i think everything else is just
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and incidental to them but i think you know just on the mass immigration thing i mean look um
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there's in the true to where is where it really went wrong this is my view of it and i have
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studied it closely is that you said this country is is uh you know racist it's uh all these
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homophobic it's all these things it's a horrible country and when you come here you should hate it
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and in fact don't even put your own flag up and do your own thing this country doesn't it's a
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post-national state it sucks that was the prime minister said yeah and he excuses us of genocide
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too by the way you know genocide and they lied about all that stuff i mean you know talking about
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the uh residential schools again you know there's a lot of anti-catholic anti-christian stuff i mean
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you talk about it you went down to cover the church in quebec which you know again that's
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where i got my coverage from you for doing that um and uh i haven't really i covered the church
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here that burned in toronto is the saint anne's church that was an arson as well i mean you hardly
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even know about it but it was and we don't know what happened in quebec but it looks like it was
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an arson from what i've heard from your coverage and from making my own calls um and so you know
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when you tell people that christianity is bad or uh you know all the things that you mentioned
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before about the genocide that didn't happen at the residential schools um you know that you you
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can see why they've sort of opened the lane for people to to feel that they can do what they want
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and you know i think um there's a lot of these things that we're seeing with these charges with
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the southern poverty law center yeah i've always felt that this kind of stuff is going on around
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here where people are being funded to do these things it's hard to prove but you certainly see
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some of the strategies and and you know these kinds of things so you know it's important work
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that i think that you do that we all do which is you know it's a little different um say for rebel
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than it is for the toronto sun obviously uh one is sort of a corporate mainstream media which is
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what i work for and independent media what you do or what dream assad uh does out there i think you
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need all of it though and i think the public needs all of it um you need to be true to it i come out
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of a generation i've been a reporter and a columnist for 40 years um you know i came out of
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college in 1986 and since then i've been the same i'm a little heavier and older but i just approach
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every story exactly the same way and you know it's interesting to see who likes it and who doesn't
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like it and sometimes the same people are on both sides at some point because over 40 years you're
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going to piss people off yeah but that's how i approach it call balls and strikes like a good
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umpire a good referee in hockey you know call it fair and uh and that's what i try to do and
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on this case uh with hank and zinga i think someone like that is saying the things that he
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is saying uh somebody should say you know what we're gonna take a look at that and we'll make
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sure that for you the public that it's uh looked into we promise because we care about you you
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work for you that's what it's about joe great to see again we gotta we gotta end it there
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and folks can check out joe on twitter which is where i follow him mainly but also obviously his
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columns in the toronto sun well that's our show for the day until tomorrow on behalf of all of
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us here at rebel world headquarters to you at home good night and keep fighting for freedom