Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Is it time to bring back Ethical Oil？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I got a blast from the past for you. I don't know if you remember,

00:00:04.040 but 11 years ago, I won a prize. I won the National Business Book Award of the Year.

00:00:10.980 And I'm not even really a business writer. And it wasn't just like a Cracker Jack box prize.

00:00:16.300 This was a juried prize. Peter Mansbridge was the head of the jury. I was so certain I wasn't

00:00:23.440 going to win. I wasn't even listening to him. When he announced the winners, I heard my name,

00:00:28.040 I shouted, what? I'll tell you that story. And I'll tell you a little more about the book that

00:00:33.720 won it for me, Ethical Oil, the case for Canada's oil sense, because I have decided

00:00:38.440 it's time to bring back ethical oil, the project, the campaign. Because since we didn't do that 10

00:00:46.960 years ago, Germany and other parts of Europe are still importing their oil and gas from conflict

00:00:52.020 regimes like Russia, instead of from ethical places like Canada, if only Trudeau had let the

00:00:57.820 pipelines be built. I'll tell you about my thoughts in today's show. I hope you enjoy it.

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00:01:28.920 Tonight, is it time to bring back ethical oil? It's July 12th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:50.760 I saw this big headline front page of the Globe and Mail today. I don't know if you saw it.

00:02:11.920 It goes, Canadian envoy, that means diplomat, summoned by Kiev over Russian turbines.

00:02:21.360 Zelensky, that's the head of Ukraine, calls equipment export plans an absolutely unacceptable

00:02:26.960 exception to sanctions. That was their news story. And then they published this commentary

00:02:33.900 in the Globe and Mail also. Ottawa says it stands with Ukraine. Its decision to return turbines to

00:02:42.200 Russia suggests otherwise. And here's the first two paragraphs which sum up the news pretty well.

00:02:49.240 This is from the commentary. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky was right when he said that

00:02:56.060 Ottawa's decision to skirt its own sanctions law and send Nord Stream 1, that's the name of a pipeline,

00:03:03.340 gas turbines back to Russia via Germany, was, quote, absolutely unacceptable.

00:03:10.120 The six Russian turbines that the German company Siemens Energy had been servicing in Montreal,

00:03:16.740 but which became stranded owing to sanctions on Moscow, had been a bilateral irritant between Ottawa and Kiev

00:03:24.160 for some time. The Russian government had claimed that the missing equipment was it was the reason it reduced the flow of natural gas to Germany through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline, prompting Berlin to press Justin Trudeau's government for the turbine's release.

00:03:41.080 But this week, Canada actively amended its own sanctions laws in order to return them to Germany, which will then turn them over to Russia.

00:03:50.180 Now, I'll skip a bit, but I thought this next paragraph was pretty punchy. And you tell me what you think of this.

00:03:56.000 Put aside your thoughts on Russia and Ukraine. I think this is a factual statement.

00:03:59.860 And you tell me what you think of it. Oil and gas exports, on average, generate more than $100 billion a year for the Kremlin,

00:04:08.520 which in turn helps fund its invasion of Ukraine. Russia is incredibly unimportant in the global economy,

00:04:15.560 except for oil and gas, economist and Obama White House advisor Jason Furman told the New York Times.

00:04:21.540 It's basically a big gas station. What do you think about that?

00:04:26.120 You know what? Statistically speaking, he's right. Obviously, there are lots of minerals and there's lots of agriculture.

00:04:35.540 But in terms of just foreign exports, oil and gas are the thing.

00:04:41.700 Russia is pretty much tied for first place, a three-way tie with Russia, the United States and Saudi Arabia.

00:04:49.060 All are making about 10 million barrels a day. And Russia is huge into natural gas.

00:04:58.020 Gazprom, you've probably heard of it. It's the world's largest gas company, natural gas, that is.

00:05:03.320 And that's what they're talking about, the Nord Stream Pipeline.

00:05:06.420 All this gas goes to Europe. And I mean Western Europe. I mean Germany and other countries.

00:05:12.280 So, do they mean it or not, these sanctions?

00:05:16.340 Now, I wrote two books about this strange thing, this phenomenon of buying oil and gas from your enemies.

00:05:26.120 First one was called Ethical Oil, the case for Canada's oil sands.

00:05:30.340 It was about ethical oil versus conflict oil. And then I wrote a book called Groundswell.

00:05:34.840 I just want to talk about that for one minute because I used to really focus on that.

00:05:39.180 It was the number one thing I talked about. I wrote the book more than a decade ago.

00:05:45.120 Obviously, since then, a lot of things have changed in the world, including my position.

00:05:48.840 I'm now with Rebel News. And we talk about many things.

00:05:51.560 In the last two years, we've talked about the pandemic, the lockdowns, the civil liberties fiasco.

00:05:56.720 But if you've ever been to my office, and we don't have a lot of visitors around here,

00:06:00.320 I have a few things hung up on my wall that I'm proud of.

00:06:03.500 And I took two things off the wall and I brought them into the studio.

00:06:06.420 I don't know if you'll be able to see this.

00:06:09.180 This is on my wall. And I don't think it's vanity. It's more

00:06:12.480 a remembrance of what I thought was an achievement.

00:06:16.620 My book, Ethical Oil, actually won

00:06:20.060 the National Business Book Award of the Year

00:06:24.160 in 2011.

00:06:26.200 It was a jury that made the decision.

00:06:28.400 Peter Mansbridge was the head of the jury.

00:06:31.200 The sponsor, a couple of banks sponsored it, plus the Globe and Mail.

00:06:36.240 I was so stunned when I won.

00:06:39.240 I was invited because I was a finalist and I thought, there's no chance I'm going to win.

00:06:43.100 I went to this thing because I thought, all right, you know, I should, out of courtesy,

00:06:47.040 go to the lunch.

00:06:48.080 It was at a fancy lunch.

00:06:49.140 It was at the Four Seasons.

00:06:52.900 Michael Ignatieff was right in line there.

00:06:55.520 Like, I thought, boy, am I out of my element.

00:06:58.040 And I thought, oh, grumble, grumble, grumble.

00:06:59.980 Why am I wasting my time here?

00:07:01.500 And then I heard Peter Mansbridge say, and the winner is Ethical Oil by Ezra Levin.

00:07:05.540 And I remember that moment.

00:07:07.440 My reaction was, what?

00:07:09.880 I didn't even say hooray because I was practically ignoring him because I thought, I don't even

00:07:14.860 know why I'm going through the motions.

00:07:16.640 And my reaction when Mansbridge said I won was, what?

00:07:20.240 No way.

00:07:21.200 And I got up there and I just couldn't believe it.

00:07:24.020 And I told some jokes, but I won.

00:07:26.480 And I went on to create something called Ethical Oil, the advocacy group website.

00:07:32.900 And it was a big thing.

00:07:34.360 And I actually, I want to show you one more thing that I hang on my wall because I'm proud

00:07:37.740 of it.

00:07:38.980 Now, this is a little harder to see.

00:07:41.500 I trademarked it, Ethical Oil.

00:07:43.600 And the reason I did that is I don't think I would have thought of trademarking the word

00:07:47.960 Ethical Oil other than environmental activists, when they saw my book's success, when they saw

00:07:55.160 I had set up this website, ethicaloil.org, and that I was really fighting that project,

00:07:59.820 they tried to register that trademark so I couldn't use that.

00:08:03.960 Those environmentalists are so tricky.

00:08:05.900 I had to go to court to protect the rights to ethical oil because someone else had seized

00:08:11.660 it and tried to trademark it.

00:08:13.500 I tell you that as a reminder to myself and to you, actually, that I've been thinking about

00:08:19.700 this issue of ethical oil versus conflict oil for more than a decade.

00:08:22.800 And just to sum it up, I used a tactic that I think was effective, even though it's being

00:08:31.420 denounced by the left.

00:08:32.480 I think that's why they denounce it.

00:08:34.240 Instead of talking about oil and gas from a right-winger's perspective, I tried to use

00:08:41.060 the language of the left.

00:08:42.280 I talked about an imaginary young grad student named Zoe, who, you know, vegetarian activist,

00:08:54.020 you know, peace activist, someone really progressive.

00:08:56.820 What would she care about?

00:08:59.820 Not, what do I care about?

00:09:00.800 And I really listened to the critics, the good faith critics of the oil patch, and they

00:09:06.680 had four things they seemed to care about.

00:09:09.380 The environment, obviously.

00:09:12.660 Peace, obviously.

00:09:15.660 The treatment of workers.

00:09:16.840 How well are they paid?

00:09:17.800 Are they safe?

00:09:18.800 And finally, even though we sort of take it for granted, civil liberties.

00:09:24.140 Treatment of minorities, a religious minority, or indigenous people, or women, or if you're

00:09:29.780 gay.

00:09:30.700 Those are the four things that this imaginary person I called Zoe cared about in the world.

00:09:36.280 Environmental responsibility, peace, as in you're not using the proceeds of oil to wage

00:09:41.280 a war or terrorism.

00:09:43.800 Economic justice, as they would say.

00:09:45.720 You know, you're paying people a minimum wage.

00:09:47.300 Are you paying people a living wage?

00:09:48.920 Compare people who, what they earn in the oil patch to, you know, people in Nigeria or

00:09:53.400 Dubai.

00:09:54.220 And finally, civil rights.

00:09:55.740 So don't even get me started on the difference between civil rights here and in many OPEC regimes

00:09:59.860 in Russia.

00:10:01.740 So in my book, Ethical Oil, and I gave a ton of speeches on the subject, it really used to

00:10:06.280 be my thing.

00:10:07.560 I said, Canada's oil sands oil, when you compare it to any other alternative, not some fantasy

00:10:16.860 fuel of the future that hasn't been invented yet, like that movie Avatar, where they talked

00:10:21.460 about unobtainium, this perfect energy source, perfect in every way other than it's not real.

00:10:27.320 If you're going to fill up your car with gas next week, it's going to come from gas, not

00:10:32.180 from a mystery fuel.

00:10:33.400 And that gas comes from oil that comes from somewhere.

00:10:37.540 And if it's not coming from Canada or the United States, two of the most ethical places in

00:10:42.300 the world, it's coming from, odds are, a dictatorship or a warmonger.

00:10:47.140 Look at the countries in OPEC.

00:10:48.500 Russia's not in OPEC, but it's one of the largest producers.

00:10:51.560 Venezuela, Nigeria, Iraq, Iran, Sudan.

00:10:57.120 So if you are not getting oil from Canada, you're getting it from a place that is terrible,

00:11:02.440 that treats its own citizens terribly.

00:11:05.000 And I said that Canadian oil is the fair trade coffee of the world's oil industry.

00:11:11.860 The book did well because it didn't challenge the left on their beliefs.

00:11:17.220 It accepted them.

00:11:19.940 It held them to their own standards.

00:11:22.600 And I must have given 100 speeches on that book across the country and even in Europe.

00:11:27.740 I remember I gave a speech in Frankfurt and a speech in Munich.

00:11:31.480 It was actually translated into German.

00:11:34.180 People had never heard that point of view before.

00:11:37.920 And I did a lot of speeches in the oil patch itself, even in Calgary, even in oil companies.

00:11:42.920 And sometimes people say, well, why are you wasting your time talking to the true believers?

00:11:47.920 And I said, no, actually, that's the crazy thing.

00:11:50.840 Within these oil companies are often people who have bought the line that oil is evil and

00:11:56.880 we need to transition out of it.

00:11:59.300 They felt like they were working for a tobacco company.

00:12:02.360 Oh, it's so disreputable.

00:12:03.840 Oh, it's so terrible.

00:12:05.020 I'm ashamed I work there.

00:12:06.640 In fact, oil is not evil at all.

00:12:08.480 Oil and all other sorts of fossil fuel energy lift us out of poverty and keep us warm in

00:12:16.520 the winter, cool in the summer, allow us freedom to drive and move and lower the cost of living

00:12:21.840 and bringing food to market.

00:12:23.600 Everything we touch is because of fossil fuels.

00:12:27.540 Imagine life without an ambulance or a fire truck that run on fossil fuels.

00:12:32.320 Maybe one day we'll get that unobtainium.

00:12:34.740 And maybe one day Tesla cars will be able to go a little further and they'll be recharged

00:12:39.260 on something other than coal-fired electricity.

00:12:42.000 Maybe one day.

00:12:42.940 Maybe they'll be affordable one day.

00:12:44.260 But my point is, until that happy day comes, you're buying gas.

00:12:48.580 Now, whether or not that gas is made from Canadian oil or Saudi oil is up to us.

00:12:52.780 That's the thesis of ethical oil.

00:12:56.200 And it applies even more so to gas as a natural gas.

00:13:01.600 Because Europe, contrary to Ronald Reagan's warning 40 years ago and contrary to Donald

00:13:08.280 Trump's representations even the last few years, buying your oil and especially your natural

00:13:13.900 gas from Russia is crazy.

00:13:18.220 But they did anyways.

00:13:19.480 You know, today, if anything happened today, let me read you this tweet.

00:13:23.760 This tweet's from yesterday, I think.

00:13:25.060 Maybe it was a couple of days ago.

00:13:26.320 The tweet a couple of days ago said, tomorrow, Russia will take Nord Stream 1 offline.

00:13:33.920 That's this big gas pipeline that these turbines are going back to.

00:13:38.200 There will be a major potential for escalation of the geopolitical and energy crisis.

00:13:44.560 So here's a thread on why not to panic now when you might want to.

00:13:48.780 And just one on Earth is EU regulation 2017-1938.

00:13:52.720 Anyway, if those turbines hadn't gone back to Germany and on their way back to Russia, it

00:14:03.620 absolutely would have had a shocking domino effect.

00:14:08.460 And I'll tell you about that.

00:14:09.200 Now, it still might.

00:14:11.080 Vladimir Putin still might say, oh, we closed this pipeline for maintenance and we discovered

00:14:15.880 all these problems and I'm sorry, Germany, you'd get 40 percent of your energy from Russia,

00:14:23.620 but we have to turn it off.

00:14:27.080 They would have done that for sure.

00:14:28.820 Or had Trudeau not agreed to send the turbines back to Germany, back to Russia?

00:14:34.820 And that's the point.

00:14:36.820 Are sanctions only going to be deployed if they're easy and cost free?

00:14:42.440 Or are you going to deploy sanctions at some cost?

00:14:45.080 Now, it wouldn't have been a big cost to Canada to keep those turbines, but it would have flattened

00:14:50.200 Germany's economy.

00:14:51.240 Imagine if Russia said, sorry, mate, we're not turning the gas pipeline back on.

00:14:55.340 Why don't you make do with some more wind turbines?

00:14:58.980 So Canada is unserious about sanctions and Germany is unserious about sanctions.

00:15:03.840 If the only way you do sanctions is if you make them cost free, if you really aren't as

00:15:10.260 brave as you are in your photo ops, then you'd better get Western Europe, Germany in particular,

00:15:15.340 and other countries off of conflict oil and replace it with Canadian ethical oil.

00:15:20.400 If you're serious.

00:15:21.400 You know, Trump said this.

00:15:24.840 They laughed at him.

00:15:28.360 He talked about energy independence.

00:15:30.000 He talked about how insane it was buying your energy from Russia.

00:15:33.540 He said that in September 2018 when he went to Germany.

00:15:37.320 Look at this headline in The Washington Post.

00:15:39.780 They're so, so proud of themselves.

00:15:43.420 This is The Washington Post.

00:15:44.320 Trump accused Germany of becoming totally dependent on Russian energy at the U.N.

00:15:50.180 The Germans just smirked and The Washington Post smirked along with them.

00:15:55.500 I don't think Trump accused anyone of anything.

00:15:57.720 He said, guys, you're crazy to rely on Vladimir Putin for your gas.

00:16:03.340 They said, no, we're smirking, you dummy.

00:16:05.720 Now, here we are in 2022, and Trudeau gives the turbines back, which is the right move,

00:16:11.800 because really, does Canada want to destroy Germany's economy?

00:16:15.280 Let Germany decide whether or not to destroy Germany's economy by deciding to no longer buy

00:16:20.680 Russian gas.

00:16:21.380 They can do that, but they don't really mean it.

00:16:24.100 Trudeau is one of the few world leaders who could actually help with the underlying problem,

00:16:28.600 but he refuses.

00:16:30.920 He could build oil and gas pipelines, oil pipelines to the coast.

00:16:36.820 He could build fracking and allow natural gas in those special ships called LNG,

00:16:43.940 liquefied natural gas.

00:16:45.940 We could actually ship both oil and gas to Europe, including to Germany.

00:16:52.080 Ethical oil, not conflict oil.

00:16:53.660 Oil that would be prepared, created, produced, drilled, exported with those four things that

00:17:00.420 Zoe cares about.

00:17:02.620 Environmental responsibility, peace, the treatment of workers and civil rights, as opposed to

00:17:07.200 Russian natural gas.

00:17:09.180 Environmental responsibility, you think Russia cares about the environment?

00:17:12.700 Peace?

00:17:13.480 No, they're invaders.

00:17:16.660 Treatment of workers?

00:17:18.280 Yeah, I don't think they get paid well in Russia, and civil rights, so don't even get

00:17:21.880 me started.

00:17:22.300 Russia, their population and their economy are both one-tenth the size of China.

00:17:28.500 If we're not serious about putting sanctions on Russia, how would we ever be serious about

00:17:34.420 putting sanctions on China?

00:17:35.960 It goes to the cowardice of our population, of our political leaders.

00:17:39.460 We're not serious about any discomfort, are we?

00:17:41.880 But we could actually do what Trump did.

00:17:44.460 We could actually do what Harper was trying to do.

00:17:46.580 Get our oil and gas to market to free the world, to give people a choice.

00:17:52.160 India and China will always buy oil from Russia and Iran.

00:17:55.060 They don't care.

00:17:56.100 But for places like Germany and others that do, why don't we give them an ethical turn?

00:18:00.060 Of the oil sands, Canada has about 171 billion barrels of oil, of which 166 billion are in

00:18:08.800 the oil sands.

00:18:09.480 It's like almost all of it.

00:18:10.940 There is some offshore and there is some fracking.

00:18:12.680 That is stranded because Joe Biden canceled the Keystone XL pipeline that was going to bring

00:18:20.040 800,000 barrels a day down to America.

00:18:22.120 That could theoretically have gone on to export.

00:18:25.300 But Trudeau himself and Gerald Butts canceled the Northern Gateway pipeline that would have

00:18:30.960 gone to the West Coast.

00:18:32.540 The Trans Mountain pipeline that would have gone to the West Coast.

00:18:35.540 It was actually already there.

00:18:36.760 It was just going to be expanded in size.

00:18:38.620 And the Energy East pipeline, which would have taken Alberta Energy all the way to New

00:18:44.880 Brunswick, which, by the way, is Canada's largest refinery.

00:18:48.320 Right now, they refine foreign oil, including, I don't know if they still do in the last few

00:18:53.060 months, but they've been refining Russian oil for years.

00:18:56.160 That's the only permanent solution.

00:18:59.240 And it's a win, win, win.

00:19:01.000 It's a win for Canadian oil and gas producers.

00:19:04.860 It's a win for the billions of dollars making the pipelines.

00:19:07.780 It's a win because you get secure, ethical oil into Canadian markets.

00:19:14.700 You're not importing it from the United States, as oddly enough we do out east, or from OPEC.

00:19:20.360 And it's a win for the world because every barrel of oil that you buy from Canada is one

00:19:27.340 barrel of oil less than you buy from Russia, Iraq, Iran, Nigeria, Sudan, Venezuela.

00:19:34.440 It's $100 more to Alberta and to Canada and $100 less to the bad guys.

00:19:40.760 So I was thinking about this when I saw this incredibly obvious and easy to predict dilemma on the front

00:19:49.760 page of the Globe and Mail today.

00:19:51.680 The Globe and Mail wasn't actually mad about turbines.

00:19:55.500 They weren't actually mad about Germany.

00:19:58.200 Those were the outward expressions of the problem.

00:20:00.880 The deeper problem is what they smirked at Donald Trump about, is that the West is dependent on Russia.

00:20:08.720 Now, don't get me started about how dependent we are on China.

00:20:11.860 But it is true.

00:20:13.560 Russia is a gas station for Europe.

00:20:16.940 Natural gas, oil, and the things that come from oil.

00:20:19.460 That is not going to stop by building some wind turbines.

00:20:24.000 You don't drive a car based on wind turbines.

00:20:26.600 You don't heat your home with wind turbines.

00:20:29.000 That will only stop if Canadian ethical oil can get to market.

00:20:35.520 And I mentioned that I sort of saw this coming.

00:20:39.540 And I gave speeches a decade ago when I made a lot of fun of Vladimir Putin.

00:20:44.760 I wrote a book about it.

00:20:45.860 I gave speeches about it.

00:20:46.720 I have some activism and did some punditry.

00:20:49.400 I've got the trademark to show it.

00:20:51.660 And so I saw this today and I thought, I think I'm going to revive ethical oil.

00:20:59.180 As in, 10 years ago I set up this little NGO.

00:21:03.680 We had a website.

00:21:04.500 We had a spokesman.

00:21:05.460 We did little campaigns.

00:21:07.700 It was fun.

00:21:09.340 It was small.

00:21:11.280 It was a part-time thing I was doing as a volunteer while I worked at Sun News.

00:21:15.340 It still did some great stuff.

00:21:18.680 Then I got busy with Rebel News and I sort of focused on other things.

00:21:23.320 But don't you think it's important to bring it back now?

00:21:25.440 Here's what I mean.

00:21:26.220 What would it mean to revive ethical oil on our website ethicaloil.org?

00:21:31.000 That was my website back there.

00:21:32.020 What would it mean to do that now?

00:21:34.000 Well, I think it would do journalism, right?

00:21:39.120 I mean, back then when I was at Sun News, I wasn't the boss.

00:21:42.820 I didn't command a team of journalists.

00:21:44.720 I just had my nightly show.

00:21:46.120 And sure, I talked about ethical oil.

00:21:47.300 But now I got Rebel News.

00:21:49.020 We got 70 people here.

00:21:50.480 We got well over a dozen reporters in Canada alone.

00:21:55.140 We can make the oil beat a full-time beat.

00:21:57.800 I mean, everyone could talk about it, but we could hire a full-time ethical oil journalist

00:22:02.400 to talk about these stories, not just of ethical oil and gas in Canada,

00:22:07.420 but to contrast it with conflict oil from Russia, Nigeria, Iraq, et cetera.

00:22:13.180 And that quickly got me thinking, well, you know what we did just the other month?

00:22:16.820 And it was a great success.

00:22:18.940 We made a documentary film.

00:22:22.140 I don't know if you heard about that.

00:22:23.280 We made a film called Trucker Rebellion, the inside story of the Kutz blockade.

00:22:28.760 And not only was it a hit at our premieres, but it's been showing in movie theaters every week.

00:22:34.520 A few, but, you know, it's a great start.

00:22:38.240 What happens if, what would happen if we did something I didn't have the resources to do 10 years ago?

00:22:45.020 What if we sent a great Rebel News documentary camera crew, bear with me,

00:22:53.000 around the world to document the difference between ethical oil and conflict oil?

00:22:57.800 To go to Nigeria and look at the pollution.

00:23:01.980 To go to some of the Gulf states and look at how the indentured workers are paid nothing

00:23:06.340 while the Saudi princes polish the gold on their Rolls Royces.

00:23:11.840 I don't think I would send our people into Russia, too dangerous, but maybe into Venezuela.

00:23:17.680 To look at where conflict oil comes from and to go to Germany and show how on their knees they are.

00:23:24.520 And to the Baltic states, which even get more from Russia.

00:23:29.000 Wouldn't it be great to have a theatrical quality, cinema quality documentary on ethical oil?

00:23:36.620 Do it right.

00:23:37.800 Travel to those places with a great camera crew and do a theater quality documentary called Ethical Oil.

00:23:46.000 Things that I wish I could have done a decade ago had I had the tools.

00:23:50.300 Hire a full-time investigative reporter on the ethical oil beat to look into the critics of ethical oil.

00:23:56.180 Who's funding them?

00:23:57.740 Who's directing them?

00:23:58.660 I think there's a lot of things ethical oil could do now using the strength of Rebel News and the tools that we have and the team that we have and the experience that we have that I couldn't really do a decade ago when I just wrote the book and had sort of this little volunteer group that I had set up as a part-time hobby.

00:24:18.440 And I thought about this when I was reading that story on the front page of the Globe and Mail because the Globe and Mail, just like those Germans to Donald Trump, they smirked and sneered at the idea of ethical oil.

00:24:43.000 Ha!

00:24:43.540 Ethical oil!

00:24:44.580 No such thing!

00:24:46.480 Really?

00:24:46.760 Anyway, maybe 10 years ago, if they would have supported the idea of ethical oil and promoted the pipelines to the coast, both for oil sands oil and for Canadian fracked natural gas, instead of having to give the turbines back to Germany to give back to Russia, it wouldn't even be an issue.

00:25:03.860 Because instead of a Nord Stream 1 pipeline, we'd have Canadian pipelines to the coast and then LNG ships and oil tankers taking Canadian ethical oil to Germany.

00:25:15.240 Anyway, they smirked at the coast, they smirked at the coast and they smirked at ethical oil.

00:25:20.060 Well, the only person smirking now, thanks to that anti-development philosophy, is Vladimir Putin himself.

00:25:28.820 Well, I think I'm going to do it.

00:25:31.240 We're going to start it up.

00:25:33.540 Ethicaloil.org.

00:25:36.120 That's the website I used for my little NGO a decade ago.

00:25:39.300 I want to raise a budget to do the documentary film and to do it properly, to travel to those places around the world with a team, not just one or two guys, but like four guys, to do it right, to have something that's so high quality.

00:25:53.980 Movie theaters will say, we've got to have that.

00:25:55.900 I think that film alone could be $100,000 or $150,000, including travel, to have a beautiful theatrical quality movie called Ethical Oil.

00:26:06.940 I want to hire a full-time reporter on the beat, maybe two, including that investigative journalist I talked about.

00:26:14.260 That's another hundred and some thousand dollars a year, too.

00:26:17.440 I want to get back into the ad project, you know, billboards and leaflets and pamphlets reminding people how nasty conflict oil is.

00:26:28.780 You know, one of the things I talked about back when I ran Ethicaloil.org was we have country of origin labeling for almost everything in our lives.

00:26:37.440 You know what I mean?

00:26:38.280 If you look at the tag on your clothing, it says where it was made.

00:26:42.560 If you look at every toy, every tool, your food has country of origin labeling.

00:26:50.700 Almost everything you buy has country of origin labeling.

00:26:54.340 And so if you care, you can choose.

00:26:57.140 You can try and not use something made in China.

00:26:59.980 Good luck with that.

00:27:01.620 But the one thing that doesn't have country of origin labeling on it, and you know why, is gasoline.

00:27:09.380 Because if you had one gas station on this side of the road advertising 100% ethical oil made in Canada, gasoline, and on the other side, you had our gasoline made from oil from Saudi Arabia and Kazakhstan.

00:27:30.760 If the price was equal, you'd go to the Canadian oil.

00:27:33.380 And in fact, some people would probably buy the Canadian oil even if it was more expensive, which it shouldn't be, of course.

00:27:38.740 Now, some people wouldn't care.

00:27:40.620 Some people would buy the cheapest oil in the world because they're on a budget and they just can't afford to care.

00:27:45.840 Okay, well, that's no worse off than we are right now.

00:27:48.820 But why don't we have country of origin labeling?

00:27:52.000 Do you really want to buy oil and gas products that come from Russia or Saudi Arabia, especially if you have an ethical alternative in the form of Canada?

00:28:02.180 So I want to revive ethical oil.org as the website that hosts these things.

00:28:08.400 I ran it a decade ago, and I think we made a dent.

00:28:11.660 I think we made a difference, even if the Globe and Mail smirked about it.

00:28:16.300 Now we've got to do it.

00:28:18.120 We've got to do it with the tools at our disposal.

00:28:20.780 I didn't have the email lists.

00:28:22.500 I didn't have the viewers on the YouTube channel.

00:28:26.640 I didn't even have a YouTube channel back then.

00:28:29.280 I want to revive the Ethical Oil Project.

00:28:33.460 I want to do it as a journalistic project, as a documentary project, and as a campaign project like we've done with so many things.

00:28:42.460 If you believe in this idea too, go to ethicaloil.org, and let's get going.

00:28:49.460 Stay with me for more.

00:29:03.220 Hey, did you ever see this billboard in Vancouver?

00:29:07.260 Now, if you don't live in Vancouver, you probably didn't.

00:29:09.820 But the images of this billboard went viral.

00:29:13.360 I heart, I love J.K. Rowling.

00:29:16.820 Now millions, hundreds of millions of people love J.K. Rowling.

00:29:22.300 Her series, Harry Potter, was one of the most popular series ever written.

00:29:27.540 The movies were huge blockbusters, too.

00:29:29.640 A lot of people do love J.K. Rowling.

00:29:32.260 But that was not the rationale behind that sign.

00:29:35.920 That was a statement that J.K. Rowling's form of feminism meant distinguishing between true biological women

00:29:44.620 and what are called trans women, ex-men, as you might say.

00:29:49.540 People who say, I was born a man, but I identify as a woman, and maybe I'll get my twig and berries cut off,

00:29:55.180 but I want you to treat me as a woman.

00:29:58.480 J.K. Rowling and other old-school feminists say, yeah, you are something,

00:30:02.580 and you are perhaps not a man, as you claim you're not, but you are not the same as a woman.

00:30:08.160 Well, J.K. Rowling was thrown down the memory hole for that.

00:30:13.140 In fact, some of her stars of her movie denounced her and said they would not make more Harry Potter films

00:30:20.120 if the creator of the series herself wasn't involved.

00:30:24.140 There is a slur.

00:30:26.180 Turf is the word.

00:30:27.340 Trans-exclusionary radical feminist.

00:30:29.660 The word turf is a hostile term for feminists like J.K. Rowling,

00:30:34.520 but it's also a rallying cry for others who want to understand there is a difference between men and women,

00:30:40.520 and men should not be able to crowd out women from existence.

00:30:44.720 Well, our next guest had the audacity to put up that billboard in Vancouver,

00:30:50.820 and instead of being met with debate, she was met with an investigation with legal power over her by her profession.

00:31:02.020 She happens to be a nurse, and she was investigated by that body.

00:31:06.340 It's ongoing.

00:31:07.300 Joining us now via Skype from New Westminster, B.C. is Amy Hamm.

00:31:12.020 Amy, what a pleasure to have you on the show.

00:31:13.460 Thanks very much.

00:31:14.600 Hi, Ezra.

00:31:15.080 Thank you.

00:31:15.480 It's nice being here.

00:31:16.520 Well, it's my pleasure.

00:31:17.560 You know, when I was a younger man, there were debates over the gender wars, feminism and men.

00:31:24.940 And, I mean, it was a lively debate.

00:31:27.600 And, you know, what was called a radical feminist maybe was a challenge to patriarchy or whatever.

00:31:33.200 But I think the lines are completely redrawn.

00:31:36.340 I find myself in moral alignment with people who might be called radical feminists or turfs, as the other side says,

00:31:44.620 simply because I believe women are women, and women ought to have their spaces,

00:31:49.380 whether it's a bathroom or a changing room or a girls' sports team or something.

00:31:54.080 I find myself in league with people who maybe 30 years ago I would have sparred with.

00:31:59.160 It's very strange.

00:32:00.820 Yeah, there's a lot of that going on these days with people calling themselves politically homeless

00:32:05.680 and aligning or working with people that they never thought that they had, you know,

00:32:11.460 that they had shared principles with before.

00:32:13.500 And now it happens so much because of kind of this postmodern woke stuff that has taken over our culture.

00:32:20.480 And the backlash is coming from all sides of the political spectrum.

00:32:26.620 Well, why don't you tell me a little bit more about that billboard?

00:32:29.060 I mean, it couldn't be simpler.

00:32:30.440 I, Hart, J.K. Rowling.

00:32:32.460 And frankly, an enormous number of people do.

00:32:36.120 They love her creativity, the sort of fictional fantasy world.

00:32:41.780 There are people for whom the Harry Potter series is almost like a cult obsession.

00:32:48.260 It's like some people used to feel the same way about Star Trek, like that's a code for living or something.

00:32:53.480 Like she is deeply loved.

00:32:55.000 And those books have an uncanny hold on, I'd say, a whole generation.

00:33:00.020 Imagine throwing her out and not being able to say, I love J.K. Rowling because she's a feminist.

00:33:06.400 It's shocking.

00:33:08.480 And that's why I wanted to get involved in this in the first place is because there's a public conversation to be had about gender identity ideology.

00:33:19.900 And the fact that if you put up something as innocuous as an I Heart J.K. Rowling billboard and then it causes the city council in Vancouver to accuse you of hate speech, it causes you to get tens of thousands of hateful and abusive messages and threats.

00:33:37.780 I think that has the effect of showing a lot of people how toxic this debate actually is.

00:33:45.940 So that was what I wanted.

00:33:47.340 I wanted to start conversations.

00:33:49.680 And then what ended up happening was that got a lot of attention and some members of the public complained to the nursing college, which gives me my license to practice as a nurse.

00:34:01.400 These people found out what I did for a living and they're trying to cancel me and take away my career because they disagree with my politics.

00:34:11.960 And so to be clear, 100 percent of this investigation and upcoming disciplinary hearing is about what I do outside of work.

00:34:20.600 I've never had a patient complaint ever.

00:34:23.920 It's it's 100 percent about thought crimes that I've allegedly committed.

00:34:28.960 Yeah, I mean, I have trouble even processing it.

00:34:33.960 By the way, our friends at the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedom, that's John Carpe's Civil Liberties Group, are helping Amy.

00:34:40.040 And I couldn't be more proud of them for rising to the occasion to stand for freedom of thought.

00:34:45.460 I believe there should be professional ethics governing professions like doctors and nurses and lawyers and engineers.

00:34:52.780 There's elements of public safety.

00:34:54.540 When you say you're a doctor or a nurse, that implies you have certain credentials.

00:34:57.720 I think that's wise.

00:34:59.600 And I think that doctors or nurses who engage in medical malpractice should be investigated.

00:35:06.880 We saw that abused a bit during the pandemic, quite a bit.

00:35:09.780 Anyone who had a dissident opinion on the virus was investigated for really political crimes.

00:35:15.920 But what you said wasn't even touching on health at all.

00:35:20.880 You know, when they investigate Dr. Roger Hodkinson for his views on the coronavirus, well, at least you could say that's within the realm of medical stuff.

00:35:29.980 But you were giving a I love J.K. Rowling poster has nothing to do with your job, with the profession of nursing.

00:35:39.880 You you are a nurse and they were coming at you through your profession for a completely unrelated matter, a political matter.

00:35:48.060 Yeah, so they they investigated for a long time, they compiled a report on more than 330 pages of tweets, articles that I've written, because this is a topic that I've been writing about and talking about and organizing events about for quite some time.

00:36:05.320 So they, yes, they compiled compiled this evidence of my apparent wrongdoing and kind of the latest thing that has happened a few days ago, the Justice Center issued a press release because I had been accused of spreading medically inaccurate information.

00:36:25.460 And now the college has dropped to that charge.

00:36:29.040 So kind of the only remaining charge against me right now is that I've said derogatory or discriminatory things about trans people, which I haven't.

00:36:39.480 I completely disagree.

00:36:40.460 It's bogus.

00:36:41.580 But I do feel partially vindicated that they're no longer saying that I've said anything medically inaccurate.

00:36:49.100 So so the medical inaccurate part that was they started combing through your political comments.

00:36:54.680 So it was so the the the big billboard was maybe the spark that they they they said, oh, here's a dissenter.

00:37:04.540 We've got to crush her, destroy her, demoralize her, tire her out, burn up her money, burn up her time, put the fear of God in her, make her regret this and pour encourager les autres to let everyone else know you stand up to us and we will make your life hell.

00:37:21.940 Well, I'm guessing that's what this was all about.

00:37:24.160 Yeah, I absolutely feel like I'm just being made an example of.

00:37:28.680 Meanwhile, you know, the complainants, I know the identity of one of them.

00:37:34.340 It's someone I've never met before.

00:37:36.320 I've never encountered this person, but describes themselves publicly as as a Marxist and kind of a social justice warrior.

00:37:45.180 The other person who complained about me, they they've been awarded the privilege of being anonymous.

00:37:53.580 So you can't face your accuser.

00:37:55.600 You don't know who it is.

00:37:57.760 So because they said I might retaliate, which is very insulting.

00:38:01.860 Yeah. And if that were to happen, let it let you be faced with whatever concept, whatever retaliation means.

00:38:10.640 But the idea of facing your accuser, meeting your accuser, you don't know if it's someone who's had a personal vendetta.

00:38:16.820 You don't know if it's someone who is a collateral motive.

00:38:19.280 You don't know it. It is contrary to our system that the accusation is secret.

00:38:26.380 That is that's a star chamber.

00:38:28.160 That is an un-Canadian sham of that is not how justice is done in Canada or any of our judicial antecedents going back centuries.

00:38:40.080 Yeah. And my obviously I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of the legislation around anonymous complainants when you're talking about a health care regulatory body is that the reason sometimes people are allowed to be anonymous is when there's an issue of patient confidentiality that you're trying to not violate or a patient's life could be endangered in some way.

00:39:05.720 But from what I know, there's no reason that they should be allowed to apply this in my case.

00:39:12.260 I feel that I should know who this person is.

00:39:14.360 Yeah, it's got nothing. I mean, again, I can understand that maybe if if you were doing something bad to a patient and the patient didn't want you to know that because maybe you would inject them with something.

00:39:25.900 I know I'm making up an insane scenario.

00:39:28.700 OK, I get it in that extreme circumstance.

00:39:32.100 But like you said, this has nothing to do with your practice as a nurse.

00:39:35.720 It's it's it is so it's so troubling.

00:39:40.400 Have you I mean, and again, I salute the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms.

00:39:44.520 They really take great cases.

00:39:47.780 Have you had any other support from the B.C.

00:39:53.100 Civil Liberties Association, from any freedom of speech groups, from from any nursing organizations?

00:39:59.940 I mean, you're being scrutinized by the college or whatever it would be.

00:40:04.200 Has your union?

00:40:05.920 I take it you're part of a union.

00:40:07.580 Have they helped?

00:40:09.360 So when this all started, I did have the option of choosing a union appointed lawyer.

00:40:16.240 However, I had reservations about that because I suspected that the B.C.

00:40:20.740 Nurses Union would be similarly ideologically captured like the college was.

00:40:26.420 So I opted to reach out to the Justice Center, which I agree with you, amazing organization.

00:40:32.300 And then as it happens in the months following that, and I've written about it, the B.C.

00:40:40.580 Nurses Union tried to on behalf of all of their members.

00:40:45.720 So I wasn't consulted about this, but they pushed Justin Trudeau to pass the so-called conversion

00:40:52.200 therapy ban legislation.

00:40:53.920 Um, so, so obviously I think I was correct in not trusting that I could use a lawyer from

00:41:00.760 my own union.

00:41:01.780 Um, and you know, I've had another small issue that I can't get into, but they have not been

00:41:08.180 helpful to me whatsoever.

00:41:09.480 Has anyone stood by me to ask you a question?

00:41:12.780 I think I know the answer in advance because I know the times we live in.

00:41:16.840 Has any political leader, any elected official, any MP, MLA, anyone who, whose job it is to

00:41:27.040 weigh into public matters?

00:41:29.100 Have you had any, has anyone even said, you know, this makes me uncomfortable.

00:41:32.820 I don't know all the facts, but I don't like how it looks.

00:41:35.520 Even that kind of a tepid intervention.

00:41:38.160 Have you had anything like that?

00:41:40.560 Politicians know my actual, um, the writing that I'm in is, um, an NDP writing.

00:41:46.480 And my member of parliament, Peter Julian has blocked me online and has for years now

00:41:52.300 refused to speak to me or engage with me or discuss my concerns about gender in terms

00:41:59.760 of like how it is impacting children in schools and local policies that change washrooms in

00:42:05.360 our city.

00:42:05.760 For instance, he, he won't meet with me.

00:42:07.600 He had blocked me on Twitter previously.

00:42:09.500 And I had Lisa Bildy, who's my lawyer now.

00:42:12.200 She wrote him a letter and kind of impelled him to unblock me on Twitter.

00:42:18.040 And then he's since blocked me again.

00:42:21.220 So no, I have, I, I don't have any support.

00:42:25.240 Look, I have support from a lot of the feminist community and sort of, you know, a lot of people

00:42:31.740 who are heterodox sort of thinkers or centrists.

00:42:35.600 And even, um, as you mentioned, people that you would never think that you would necessarily

00:42:40.840 align with before.

00:42:43.460 Um, so there is a lot of support, but it's, um, but it's unofficial.

00:42:48.400 It's grassroots.

00:42:50.140 No one from any establishment institution.

00:42:52.080 Would you describe yourself aside from this issue?

00:42:56.560 Let's say before this issue, would you describe yourself as a woman of the left?

00:43:00.180 Um, yeah, I think I've always thought of myself as a lefty previously.

00:43:06.540 And, um, I, I don't anymore.

00:43:11.040 So, you know, the, I think.

00:43:13.180 When you voted, like, uh, you don't have to tell me if you don't want, but let's say

00:43:17.100 the first time you voted, did you vote NDP?

00:43:19.460 Yeah.

00:43:20.180 You were an NDP voter?

00:43:21.340 I, I was a long time NDP voter.

00:43:24.400 I would absolutely never in my life would I ever vote for the NDP ever again.

00:43:28.580 They've sold the women down the river, you know, and that's, what's odd.

00:43:32.620 I mean, I remember when I was a young kid in college and I loved debating and I sparred

00:43:38.760 with the feminists and, um, I don't even, the difference between my view and the view

00:43:45.880 of a feminist 30 years ago is so microscopic compared to the idea of should the concept

00:43:53.960 of a woman be obliterated itself, be eradicated itself.

00:43:58.860 It's, you know, I, I suppose we were arguing over millimeters back then and now we're talking

00:44:05.960 about miles.

00:44:07.140 And, you know, I sometimes think, I mean, I, I find it astonishing to look back at the

00:44:11.860 history of women's sport and I didn't know that women were not allowed to run in the Boston

00:44:15.980 Marathon until less than a century ago, like very recently, I think 73, 72, 73.

00:44:22.680 Something shockingly recent and like, it's almost, and, and the Olympics and, and competitive

00:44:28.340 sports and sports and college, like women's sports is so new and it's, and the golden age

00:44:36.840 of women in sports is pretty much, it's not just JK Rowling.

00:44:40.860 I mean, um, Martina Navratilova, the, uh, and she's lesbian, so she's, she's not anti-gay.

00:44:49.280 She's certainly not anti-female, but she knows about women's sport and she knows about the

00:44:55.440 difference between a male body and a female body.

00:44:58.220 And it's just, I feel like we're at the twilight of the age where women can be in sport.

00:45:05.200 I see these fellas, these X-men competing and I, I hate to see one guy or one trans woman

00:45:11.580 and then two genetic women in second and third place, often looking dejected.

00:45:16.040 But I tell you, Amy, we're one year away from all three positions being trans men.

00:45:22.280 If one guy can do it, another guy can say, well, I can beat that guy or I can at least

00:45:27.400 beat those girls.

00:45:28.480 Yeah.

00:45:28.600 And soon you're going to, all it takes is three guys and all three podium positions are going

00:45:34.040 to be fellas and if you want to say X-men or trans or whatever you want to say, it obscures.

00:45:40.440 And that's the thing, the language, I don't know if you share my view about the book 1984.

00:45:44.780 It really is a story about language.

00:45:46.860 If you destroy the ability to speak plainly, you're actually, it's a form of mind control.

00:45:52.560 And when, and, and when you say you must call these people women or at least trans women.

00:45:59.600 And when you force people to say that you, you're acknowledging that it's, it's a lie that

00:46:05.920 you cannot convince them.

00:46:07.620 And so you have to punish them and that's what they're doing to you.

00:46:11.060 Yeah.

00:46:11.980 Yeah.

00:46:12.200 And I mean, that's, that's the thing.

00:46:14.300 And all that is left in their case right now is that maybe I've hurt some people's feelings

00:46:18.800 essentially because I don't, I refuse to play along with their language games.

00:46:24.120 I agree with you, um, in terms of using someone's preferred pronouns in a professional setting

00:46:30.640 as a matter of respect.

00:46:32.080 Um, of course there are times when I do that, but for the most part, I'm just going to refer

00:46:36.680 to a human as male or female.

00:46:40.020 Yeah.

00:46:41.300 These are very strange days.

00:46:43.200 Uh, I want to tell you on a personal note that I admire your strength and your courage

00:46:49.940 and your resilience.

00:46:50.760 It is not easy to stand up to institutional power, especially one that controls your ability

00:46:58.480 to earn a livelihood.

00:46:59.860 It's not easy to stand up to every official person and to not lose your mind when the world

00:47:06.660 around you goes mad.

00:47:08.260 And I've been in that position myself and I won't bore the viewers with my stories.

00:47:12.600 I think they probably know them.

00:47:13.720 Um, I, I feel like I'm, I was built for conflict and I think you were built to be a nurse.

00:47:21.160 I mean, you seem like a caring person who, uh, you know, I, I don't know you that well,

00:47:27.960 but, um, I don't think you were meant for, I don't think you chose to have a life of conflict

00:47:33.960 and yet you were thrust into it.

00:47:35.980 And I admire the fact that you didn't simply say to heck with it.

00:47:40.520 I don't need this.

00:47:41.320 Just apologize and retract and get on with my life and, and slink away.

00:47:44.880 I have to say that I'm impressed with your, um, decision to stand.

00:47:50.940 Thank you so much.

00:47:52.020 I did.

00:47:52.340 And I did have the option.

00:47:53.820 When they, the college tried to get me to sign a consent agreement, um, I would have

00:47:58.900 had a temporary suspension on my license and had to have signed the statement of facts

00:48:04.040 about having said transphobic things.

00:48:06.200 So to me, it was, it was never, and there's just no way that I will ever do that.

00:48:11.720 So I don't know how far this case will go now that it looks like it's falling apart for

00:48:17.000 them now that they have dropped some charges.

00:48:19.680 Um, but I definitely will take it as far as I have to take it.

00:48:23.880 And even if that is the Supreme Court of Canada, I don't care.

00:48:26.520 I will, I'm not taking any punishment when I haven't done anything wrong.

00:48:30.800 Well, I, I, uh, deeply admire what you're saying and what you're doing.

00:48:36.040 And I couldn't be happier that you're with the JCCF.

00:48:39.780 And, um, it sounds like you had that win when they abandoned the spreading medically inaccurate

00:48:45.720 information.

00:48:46.300 And I think that's an acknowledgement that they knew that was a stretch.

00:48:49.680 And I, and I'm sure that you'll be victorious on the derogatory statements thing.

00:48:54.160 My God, uh, if our chart of rights for freedom of speech means anything, um, just absurd.

00:48:59.900 Amy, please keep us posted.

00:49:01.540 And I expect that you will in time win bullies often expect an easy, short fight.

00:49:08.320 The fact that you're digging in your heels and you have allies, maybe they bit off more

00:49:13.260 than they can chew.

00:49:14.020 And will you let us know when the next milestone in is when there's a hearing or a final result

00:49:20.280 here?

00:49:20.560 Because if it's a victory, why don't we want to celebrate with you?

00:49:23.260 And if it's a setback, we want to encourage you to appeal.

00:49:27.300 And we want to tell our friends to support the JCCF to help pay your bills.

00:49:31.800 Yeah, absolutely.

00:49:32.760 Thank you so much.

00:49:33.460 And I'll keep you posted for sure.

00:49:35.420 All right.

00:49:35.800 Well, great to spend some time with you and we wish you all the best.

00:49:38.200 That's our friend, Amy Hamm, a registered nurse in New Westminster, BC.

00:49:42.800 What an incredible story.

00:49:44.040 Stay with us.

00:49:44.620 More ahead.

00:49:56.960 Hey, welcome back.

00:49:57.840 Your Letters to Me.

00:49:58.600 Caroline Cavalcante says, it's incredible.

00:50:01.800 Everything this guy says makes sense.

00:50:03.600 Even if you are not part of the Conservative Party, you still have got to respect your money

00:50:08.600 and spending and everything Pierre says makes sense, financially speaking.

00:50:12.920 You're talking about Pierre Polyev and his little video about inflation.

00:50:17.180 I thought he had a good command of the subject.

00:50:20.060 I thought he told it in an engaging way.

00:50:23.080 I thought throwing those items in his air was great.

00:50:26.180 Like, he's got a sense of humor there, but he's not silly.

00:50:29.400 And I don't.

00:50:30.180 And most importantly, he didn't talk down to people.

00:50:33.240 Justin Trudeau has this thing where he talks to you like you're a grade three-er.

00:50:36.400 And it's very condescending.

00:50:39.540 And I think people are a little tired of it.

00:50:42.900 Wifferstee says, fantastic coverage.

00:50:45.200 And there's virtually none in the legacy media on the story in Canada.

00:50:48.180 The only item I could find was a quick blurb on CTV about police firing at a tractor.

00:50:53.680 But if things get ugly, stay safe, Lewis and Lincoln.

00:50:59.660 You're talking about our team in the Netherlands.

00:51:03.160 I'm really glad they're over there.

00:51:04.960 It was a little expensive to get them over there.

00:51:07.620 Let me tell you one thing I think I might have mentioned to you.

00:51:10.660 You can't get into Netherlands unless you're vaccinated.

00:51:14.260 They only, unless you're in the European Union.

00:51:16.540 So neither the United Kingdom nor Canada are, you are allowed to come from those places into Holland without a vaccine.

00:51:26.200 Except they have a specific exemption for journalists.

00:51:30.740 Did I tell you that?

00:51:31.880 So we applied to the embassy in both countries under their journalistic exemption.

00:51:38.460 And it's actually sort of beautiful.

00:51:41.460 It's written right on their embassy website.

00:51:44.120 They value freedom of the press and freedom of speech enough that they will put aside their COVID rules to allow unvaxxed journalists in the country.

00:51:52.680 It's a special exemption.

00:51:53.740 It's not a conscientious exemption.

00:51:55.680 It's not a medical exemption.

00:51:57.020 It's none of that.

00:51:58.480 It's not a religious exemption.

00:52:00.040 It's if you're a journalist coming here to do journalism, we will let you in even if you're not jabbed.

00:52:05.340 Isn't that amazing?

00:52:06.200 I think that's very open-minded and liberal.

00:52:10.180 Compare that to us here in Canada under Trudeau.

00:52:13.720 Derek Ryan says, we also breathe around 70% nitrogen in our air with 21% oxygen and the rest noble gases.

00:52:21.000 The nitrogen excuse is quite frankly ridiculous.

00:52:23.600 People are the power, not the people in power.

00:52:26.500 Yeah, I mean, I've just never heard of nitrogen as the problem before.

00:52:30.420 I mean, it really is the majority of air.

00:52:32.960 And even if there were some pollution, I mean, there are some nitrous oxides or noxin, soxin, as they're called.

00:52:41.880 Yeah.

00:52:42.420 Is Holland really the world's largest polluter?

00:52:45.560 Or is this not like everything else where you can literally destroy your entire industry and in about six hours, China's dirty economic growth overtakes it?

00:52:56.220 I mean, what are they building, 700 coal-fired power plants in China right now and you want to shut down your one to save the world?

00:53:03.040 It ain't going to happen.

00:53:03.780 And it's not about saving the world.

00:53:05.900 If you're destroying just Holland's farmers and leaving the rest of the world, it's not about saving the world.

00:53:11.440 It's about destroying Holland's farmers.

00:53:13.100 And there's no good reason for that, but many bad ones.

00:53:17.380 That's our show for today.

00:53:18.440 What do you think about ethicaloil.org?

00:53:20.080 Bringing it back, eh?

00:53:21.360 Let's see how it goes.

00:53:22.940 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, you at home.

00:53:26.000 Good night.

00:53:27.000 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:53:27.980 Hi, Prime Minister, just a first question.

00:53:31.380 You know me.

00:53:32.780 Yes, yes, yes.

00:53:33.840 We spoke in the past in the summer.

00:53:35.920 Remember me.

00:53:37.180 I said, I said, I said, I said, Prime Minister, a first question on Tamara Lynch.

00:53:43.860 You preached, you preached, you preached the whole wild world about freedoms.

00:53:48.980 How come freedom fighters for the convoy are still in jail?

00:53:52.900 Why?

00:53:53.420 Prime Minister, any answers for disrupting the lives of so many Canadians for the last 20 years?

00:54:02.800 Prime Minister, any answers?

00:54:04.800 Please, answer the people of Canada.

00:54:07.280 The captain.

00:54:07.840 Isn't it a private time?

00:54:08.880 Wow, that's very coward.

00:54:11.640 Oh, they are pushing the plan to hide Mr. Trudeau.

00:54:18.000 They are pushing the plans for it.

00:54:21.640 Can you believe that?

00:54:22.560 Non, ne me touchez pas.

00:54:24.160 Ben, à ce moment-là, traversez.

00:54:24.960 Je fais mon travail de journaliste, monsieur.

00:54:27.260 Je ne vous toucherai pas.

00:54:27.900 Traversez l'autre côté.

00:54:29.000 Sur quelle raison?

00:54:30.300 Celle que c'est un ordre.

00:54:31.580 Un ordre?

00:54:31.940 La police vous donne un ordre, vous obéissez.

00:54:33.240 Ça finit.

00:54:33.900 Écoutez, ne me poussez pas.

00:54:35.520 Non, mais vous allez traverser.

00:54:37.260 So now, the police are giving me an order to cross the other side.

00:54:43.820 Hey, vous n'avez pas le droit de me toucher, monsieur.

00:54:46.540 Je veux juste vous rappeler qu'on a déjà une poursuite contre la SPV.

00:54:50.340 Votre nom, votre back number?

00:54:51.360 Krukovski, c'est marqué là.

00:54:52.380 C'est 084.

00:54:53.080 Bye-bye.

00:54:53.320 So here, Alexa, for Ruben News, and I'm currently in Montreal, and tonight we received a tip

00:55:02.420 that Mr. Trudeau was in Outremont for having a dinner with maybe co-worker or friend.

00:55:08.600 So we ran on the scene to see what is happening and what you can see behind me.

00:55:15.060 Police is there, all around the restaurant.

00:55:17.820 They have a lot of citizens who are asking questions.

00:55:21.320 I'm going to take the chance to ask as well my question to them.

00:55:25.160 Let's check it out.

00:55:25.840 M. Trudeau, est-ce que vous vous rappelez de moi? On s'est déjà parlé au combat des chefs. J'espère que oui. Je m'intéressais à savoir, M. Trudeau, votre avril Fcan, est-ce que ça en fait la nouvelle version du Non-Digital Traveller Identity que vous avez signée avec le World Economic Forum en 2018, M. Trudeau?

00:55:48.340 Tamara Leach est une manifestante pacifique qui est en ce moment en prison parce qu'elle a juste pris un selfie avec un autre manifestant. Est-ce que vous trouvez ça normal ici?

00:56:02.580 Son avocat était là.

00:56:03.500 Oui.

00:56:03.840 On s'était déjà rencontré d'autres événements. Tout ce que je vous demande, c'est que, un, c'est un événement privé. Deux, il y a d'autres clients du restaurant aussi. Je vous demanderais de respecter.

00:56:13.680 Bon, bien, je vais parler moins fort, mais M. Trudeau aurait l'éligence peut-être de venir parler aux gens qui ont des questions pour lui.

00:56:19.680 C'est possible de respecter la quiétude des autres gens autour aussi.

00:56:23.600 M. Trudeau, est-ce que vous supportez les nouvelles régulations au niveau de l'émission de nitrogène, d'azote et de carbone que Marc Routet est en train d'implémenter en Hollande?

00:56:37.980 Est-ce que vous supportez les régulations, M. Trudeau?

00:56:41.080 Ah, mais c'est le premier ministre qui se promène en jet, qui se promène en jet.

00:56:45.700 On dérange le reste de nos clients.

00:56:47.500 Si on peut juste me laisser travailler, ça sera...

00:56:49.620 Alors, pourquoi ils ont pris une table à l'extérieur?

00:56:52.440 Si ils voulaient la privacité.

00:56:53.840 Moi, je suis juste dans le trottoir.

00:56:56.740 M. Trudeau, pourquoi vous n'écoutez pas une partie de votre peuple qui a des questions pour vous?

00:57:01.080 Do you support the new regulation on nitrogen and carbon emissions that Marc Routet are doing right now?

00:57:11.080 In Néthalien?

00:57:18.420 M. Trudeau ne veut pas répondre à des questions.

00:57:21.740 Je t'ai essayé de poser des questions en français et en anglais juste pour voir si il faudrait répondre.

00:57:26.700 Obviamente, il n'est pas fait.

00:57:27.960 Je t'ai essayé de poser des questions que M. Trudeau est probablement sur notre taxe.

00:57:36.300 M. Trudeau, quel autre accord avez-vous signé avec le World Economic Forum?

00:57:53.580 M. Trudeau, je vais répéter encore une fois, Tamara Leach, qui est une manifestante pacifique,

00:58:19.420 qui est retenue en prison pour avoir pris un selfie avec un autre manifestant.

00:58:24.220 Est-ce que les libéraux ne soutiennent plus maintenant les libertés civiles?

00:58:31.760 M. Trudeau, quel autre accord avez-vous signé avec le World Economic Forum,

00:58:38.760 autre que le Non-Gedital Traveller Identity?

00:58:41.440 M. Trudeau, comment pouvez-vous manger en ce moment, M. Trudeau,

00:58:47.700 quand vos aéroports sont en chaos et que votre peuple est en train de vous poser des questions et vous observe?

00:58:54.780 M. Trudeau, quand on fait les mises à jour de la Rifkan et tout ça, tous ces communiqués,

00:58:58.420 on ne parle même plus de non-vaccinés.

00:59:00.680 Ma mère, elle a 72 ans.

00:59:02.320 Elle ne peut pas aller voir ma grand-mère qui a 91 ans au Nicaragua parce qu'elle ne peut pas sortir.

00:59:06.860 Elle ne peut pas prendre le vaccin.

00:59:07.900 Puis voilà, monsieur, il vit sa vie normalement.

00:59:11.120 Et ma mère, qui était une Canadienne, qui est arrivée ici, qui croyait dans la liberté de ce pays,

00:59:16.120 qui était une prisonnière politique, qui a été une exilée politique.

00:59:19.680 On est arrivés ici à Dorval avec une valise de 200 $ dans les mains au mois de novembre,

00:59:24.420 sans manteau, sans rien.

00:59:26.120 OK, ma mère qui a fait une vie.

00:59:28.080 Ce monsieur-là, voilà, ce Trust Fund Baby, lui dit,

00:59:31.300 « Tu n'es plus une Canadienne à 100 %.

00:59:33.020 Tu n'as plus tous les droits que les autres Canadiens.

00:59:35.920 Puis on doit vivre avec ça.

00:59:37.900 OK, je dois vivre avec ça.

00:59:39.880 Puis pendant que lui, il mange à sa guise et tout ça,

00:59:42.720 mais ma mère, sa pension, elle achète moins de choses à tous les jours.

00:59:46.340 Ça, c'est comme ça que monsieur Trudeau, vous traitez vos citoyens en poussant une plante pour essayer de vous cacher à l'arrière?

01:00:12.520 Oh, il a poussé la plante.

01:00:14.420 Mais il est une plante.

01:00:16.180 Il est une plante.

01:00:17.620 Il est une plante.

01:00:19.800 Il est une plante.

01:00:19.900 Il est une plante.

01:00:20.900 Mr. Trudeau, combien d'agréments vous avez fait avec le World Economic Forum quand vous visez à Davos?

01:00:27.080 Mr. Trudeau, do you support what Mark Rutte is doing in Netherlands on the new regulation of the nitrogen and carbon emission?

01:00:38.980 Do you support it?

01:00:41.040 Are you going to do the same here in Canada?

01:00:50.940 Are you willing to trade your beautiful meal tonight for bugs, Mr. Trudeau?

01:00:55.880 He's always ignored, you know, common citizens.

01:01:01.580 That doesn't disturb me too much.

01:01:03.680 You know, it happens with a lot of politicians.

01:01:05.760 What disturbs me is that he has deprived us of freedom for years

01:01:10.420 and he's funding neo-Nazis in the Ukraine, sending our tax money to the Ukraine.

01:01:17.620 And he doesn't care.

01:01:18.800 He probably doesn't even know what Azov is.

01:01:20.860 So, to me, this is a dictator, a dictator who is funding neo-Nazi units in the Ukraine

01:01:31.360 who are openly anti-Jewish and he does this in Outre-Mont, which is a Jewish neighborhood.

01:01:38.520 This is just unbelievable.

01:01:40.880 So, we have the presence of the police now.

01:01:43.720 So, we see that the police are there for, I don't know, the protection of Mr. Justin Trudeau,

01:01:51.680 but it seems that most of the people here, it's children.

01:01:55.720 Est-ce qu'on ne peut pas juste parner dans la rue comme ça?

01:01:57.820 Ah oui? C'est qui?

01:01:59.140 Oui, c'est par l'honneur municipal.

01:02:00.520 Ah, c'est à l'honneur municipal.

01:02:01.520 Bonjour, ma'am.

01:02:02.220 Bonjour.

01:02:02.420 Juste... attention.

01:02:02.920 Juste... attention.

01:02:03.620 Juste...

01:02:04.420 Avez-vous dit qu'elle n'était pas permise de rester dans la rue?

01:02:07.920 C'est pas ça que j'ai dit.

01:02:08.920 C'est pas ça que j'ai dit.

01:02:09.920 Qu'est-ce que vous avez dit?

01:02:10.920 Vous pouvez vous répéter pour moi, s'il vous plaît, je vous le demande.

01:02:13.920 Pardon, qu'est-ce que... qu'est-ce que la police vous a demandé?

01:02:16.420 Il dit que j'ai pas le droit de rester là.

01:02:18.420 Moi, j'ai dit que j'ai commencé à faire mon workout,

01:02:20.420 puis ils m'ont dit qu'ils veulent pas me donner un ticket.

01:02:22.420 Puis là, j'ai dit, je fais mon workout.

01:02:23.920 Tu sais, dans la rue, je circule, mais apparemment qu'on n'a pas le droit de rester.

01:02:26.920 Juste figé.

01:02:27.920 C'est un trottoir.

01:02:29.420 Monsieur, c'est un endroit public ici.

01:02:33.420 Apparemment, c'est un règlement municipal.

01:02:34.420 Il n'y a aucun règlement qui m'empêche de ne pas rester dans la rue en ce moment.

01:02:38.420 Il y a participé à Ottawa, alors.

01:02:40.420 En ce moment, c'est un milieu qui est public.

01:02:44.420 Vous ne pouvez pas me donner un ticket par rapport à ça, monsieur.

01:02:48.420 Sous quelle raison vous me donneriez un ticket ici?

01:02:51.420 Je vous donne l'ordre de circuler.

01:02:53.420 Si vous refusez l'ordre de circuler sur un trottoir, je peux vous écrire un constat pour ça.

01:02:59.420 Et sous quelle protection?

01:03:00.420 Je vous demanderai de ne pas m'enregistrer en ce moment.

01:03:03.420 Bien oui, j'ai le droit. Je suis dans un milieu public.

01:03:06.420 Maintenant, vous circulez.

01:03:08.420 Je vais appeler mon avocat avant.

01:03:10.420 Appelez-le.

01:03:11.420 On va voir si c'est qui qui a raison.

01:03:12.420 Vous allez circuler quand même.

01:03:14.420 Appelez avant mon avocat.

01:03:18.420 Parce qu'il y a un règlement municipal.

01:03:25.420 On vous donne l'ordre de circuler.

01:03:28.420 J'ai le droit de l'arrivée, monsieur, c'est dans mon doigt.

01:03:31.420 Je vais me mettre devant vous d'abord.

01:03:33.420 You're saying something. I have to believe you. I don't believe you.

01:03:37.420 Stop it.

01:03:39.420 Hey!

01:03:40.420 Vous n'allez pas m'intimiser, monsieur.

01:03:42.420 C'est mon boss.

01:03:43.420 Je te demande de pas le vu.

01:03:44.420 Mettre ça dans la face.

01:03:46.420 C'est une question de sécurité.

01:03:48.420 Si vous ne comprenez pas, ça va venir avec une entrave.

01:03:51.420 Entrave sur un lieu public, impossible.

01:03:54.420 You can give a ticket without telling me which law.

01:03:57.420 Tell me the regulation number.

01:03:58.420 Okay, that's it.

01:03:59.420 What?

01:04:00.420 What do you want?

01:04:01.420 You just want to stand there.

01:04:02.420 Okay.

01:04:03.420 You will not stay there.

01:04:04.420 What are you going to do to me?

01:04:05.420 You're going to arrest me for that.

01:04:06.420 I'm going to give you a ticket for that.

01:04:07.420 Okay.

01:04:08.420 No problem.

01:04:09.420 Okay.

01:04:10.420 When are you doing your question?

01:04:11.420 Continue.

01:04:12.420 You're going to be booked.

01:04:13.420 Book me?

01:04:14.420 No problem.

01:04:15.420 For what?

01:04:16.420 For standing on the corner?

01:04:17.420 You don't have to give you my ID.

01:04:18.420 I'm not driving a car.

01:04:19.420 You're an infraction, sir.

01:04:20.420 But I don't have to give you an ID.

01:04:21.420 I'm not driving a car.

01:04:22.420 Okay.

01:04:23.420 Okay.

01:04:24.420 What is your name?

01:04:25.420 I don't have to tell you my name.

01:04:27.420 You can stand on the sidewalk.

01:04:30.420 You shouldn't stand on the street.

01:04:31.420 That's jaywalking.

01:04:32.420 No, it's the sidewalk place.

01:04:34.420 You have the right to be on the sidewalk.

01:04:37.420 And we're already suing the SPVM.

01:04:40.420 Yeah.

01:04:41.420 And we'll sue them again.

01:04:43.420 I'm happy to talk to them.

01:04:44.420 Unfortunately, I don't speak French.

01:04:46.420 They speak English, actually, to me.

01:04:48.420 Yeah.

01:04:49.420 So I reject their demand that we get off the sidewalk.

01:04:53.420 And I'll sue them if they touch you.

01:04:56.420 They want to give me a ticket if I'm staying.

01:04:58.420 Oh, well, take your ticket.

01:04:59.420 I mean, who cares?

01:05:00.420 Take your ticket and we'll fight it in court.

01:05:02.420 But if they touch you or arrest you or push you, we'll sue them.

01:05:06.420 Because you're allowed to be on the sidewalk.

01:05:09.420 Just film everything, please.

01:05:11.420 Film all your interactions with the police.

01:05:13.420 And even remind them that we're already suing them.

01:05:16.420 And I'm happy to sue again.

01:05:17.420 And I'm happy to talk to the police if you think that'll help.

01:05:20.420 Yeah.

01:05:21.420 You're allowed.

01:05:22.420 You can talk to them.

01:05:23.420 I don't want to talk to them.

01:05:24.420 I won't.

01:05:25.420 Remove that from my face.

01:05:27.420 Just make sure you get the names of the police, Alexa,

01:05:30.420 because we'll be suing them their names and badge numbers.

01:05:33.420 Okay.

01:05:34.420 We will take all their badge numbers and their names

01:05:37.420 because what they are asking is, like,

01:05:40.420 I'm not allowed by a municipal law to stand on the sidewalk

01:05:46.420 where I'm allowed because it's a public space.

01:05:50.420 So what they are asking right now is not legal.

01:05:54.420 So we'll take all their names and I will make them remember

01:05:59.420 that we have already a lawsuit against the SPVM.

01:06:06.420 So, your badge number, Monsieur?

01:06:08.420 Monsieur, l'agent Santana, 5793.

01:06:11.420 5793.

01:06:12.420 Monsieur, badge number?

01:06:14.420 Je viens de travailler.

01:06:15.420 Non.

01:06:16.420 I have to do it.

01:06:17.420 Vous écoutez, vous travaillez pas?

01:06:18.420 Enlève ça de mon âge, moi.

01:06:19.420 Enlève ça de mon âge, moi.

01:06:20.420 Enlève ça de mon âge, moi.

01:06:21.420 Monsieur, je vous demande votre badge.

01:06:23.420 Pour ma sécurité, j'aimerais ça que tu recules

01:06:25.420 puis tu enlèves ça de ma face, s'il te plaît.

01:06:26.420 Je vous demande puis je me recule, mais j'ai besoin

01:06:29.420 de votre badge number.

01:06:30.420 Votre numéro de badge, Monsieur.

01:06:32.420 Bien avec moi, tu vas là.

01:06:33.420 Monsieur, j'ai besoin de votre numéro de badge

01:06:35.420 et votre nom.

01:06:36.420 Je veux pas d'affaires à vous, madame.

01:06:37.420 Oui, bien, j'ai besoin d'avoir...

01:06:38.420 Moi, j'ai pas d'affaires à vous.

01:06:39.420 Mais je vous demande de vous identifier, Monsieur.

01:06:40.420 Tu as dit positivement.

01:06:41.420 Let's go.

01:06:42.420 C'est vrai.

01:06:43.420 Oui.

01:06:44.420 Est-ce que tu l'as pris, mon nom?

01:06:47.420 C'est chauvet.

01:06:48.420 J'ai chauvet.

01:06:49.420 Là-haut.

01:06:50.420 Wow!

01:06:51.420 Right.

01:06:52.420 Now, you can see, they are arrest,

01:06:54.420 like, giving a ticket to this man

01:06:56.420 because he didn't comply to move from the sidewalk.

01:07:00.420 You can see it.

01:07:01.420 This is a sidewalk.

01:07:02.420 This is not the street.

01:07:03.420 This is a public space.

01:07:04.420 We are allowed, as a citizen, to stand up in a public space.

01:07:08.420 Because you have no reason.

01:07:10.420 We are not a threat.

01:07:11.420 We are not doing anything bad.

01:07:14.420 So, one, I've been taking away for probably receive a ticket

01:07:18.420 and we'll continue to ask our questions

01:07:21.420 because we are therefore asking questions to Mr. Trudeau

01:07:24.420 because Mr. Trudeau doesn't give any answer

01:07:27.420 to all the other part of the citizens that are asking for answer.

01:07:31.420 Mr. Trudeau, do you agree with Mark Rutte about the new regulation

01:07:44.420 on nitrogen and carbon emissions?

01:07:48.420 Do you support it?

01:07:50.420 I'm doing my job.

01:07:52.420 I've been asking for questions.

01:07:54.420 What's the question we've been asking?

01:07:55.420 To circulate?

01:07:56.420 Yes, but...

01:07:57.420 This is my right to be on the sidewalk.

01:07:58.420 If you're working on the sidewalk.

01:07:59.420 If you're looking at the sidewalk,

01:08:00.420 you'll be able to stay there.

01:08:01.420 But why can I not stand here?

01:08:02.420 I've been telling you.

01:08:03.420 I've already explained it,

01:08:04.420 why I'm not here.

01:08:05.420 I've been telling you.

01:08:06.420 It's a government municipal.

01:08:07.420 There's no government municipal.

01:08:08.420 Yes, sir.

01:08:09.420 You're in trying to flammer.

01:08:10.420 You're staying here for a while.

01:08:11.420 Because we don't have the right to flammer.

01:08:12.420 No, in fact,

01:08:13.420 we don't touch me.

01:08:15.420 You don't touch me, first of all.

01:08:17.420 You almost touched me.

01:08:19.420 You're not trying to flammer.

01:08:21.420 I'm working, I'm doing my report.

01:08:23.420 I'm a reporter, I'm a journalist.

01:08:25.420 I'm doing my job right now.

01:08:27.420 I'm not just doing anything.

01:08:29.420 I feel like you're not far from here.

01:08:31.420 Because I'm here.

01:08:33.420 I'm not far from here.

01:08:35.420 You said I can't stand, so I'm walking.

01:08:37.420 OK, but not here, on the other side.

01:08:39.420 Hey, man!

01:08:41.420 Mr Trudeau...

01:08:43.420 I'm here for doing my job.

01:08:47.420 Parfait. On va vous demander de traverser l'autre côté, s'il vous plaît.

01:08:49.420 Non, sur quelle...

01:08:51.420 C'est un ordre.

01:08:52.420 Un ordre de pour?

01:08:53.420 Traversez, madame, s'il vous plaît.

01:08:54.420 Mais sous quelle raison?

01:08:55.420 Madame, je vous la demande. Traversez l'autre côté.

01:08:57.420 Parce qu'un ordre vient nécessairement avec quelque chose.

01:08:59.420 Madame, s'il vous plaît?

01:09:00.420 Non, ne me touchez pas.

01:09:01.420 Bien, à ce moment-là, traversez.

01:09:02.420 Je fais mon travail de journaliste, monsieur.

01:09:04.420 Je ne vous toucherai pas. Traversez l'autre côté.

01:09:06.420 Sous quelle raison?

01:09:07.420 Celle que c'est un ordre.

01:09:08.420 Un ordre?

01:09:09.420 La police vous donne un ordre, vous obéissez.

01:09:11.420 Écoutez, ne me poussez pas.

01:09:13.420 Non, mais vous allez rentrer à traverser l'autre côté?

01:09:15.420 So now, the police are giving me an order to cross the other side...

01:09:21.420 Hé! Vous n'avez pas le droit de me toucher, monsieur.

01:09:24.420 Je veux juste vous rappeler qu'on a déjà une poursuite contre la SPV.

01:09:27.420 Votre nom, votre batte number?

01:09:29.420 Koukowski, c'est marqué là. 6084, bye-bye.

01:09:31.420 Comment?

01:09:32.420 6084. Traversez, attention, madame.

01:09:34.420 Et votre nom, complet?

01:09:35.420 Merci, c'est marqué là.

01:09:36.420 Koukowski.

01:09:37.420 Moi, j'ai besoin de la loi.

01:09:38.420 C'est bon.

01:09:39.420 Monsieur m'a poussé.

01:09:40.420 Monsieur a eu une interaction physique avec moi.

01:09:44.420 The police did push me.

01:09:46.420 So we had an interaction.

01:09:48.420 I did nothing.

01:09:49.420 I was just doing my job as a reporter to ask questions.

01:09:53.420 They are pushing away everybody.

01:09:55.420 But if it would be the President of the United States, they would block up three blocks.

01:09:59.420 You know?

01:10:00.420 This is not security.

01:10:01.420 Yeah.

01:10:02.420 No, it's not security.

01:10:03.420 Anybody can come with a gun and start shooting, you know?

01:10:04.420 With their so-called SPV, I'm standing around...

01:10:06.420 There's no security.

01:10:07.420 This is not enough security.

01:10:08.420 Right.

01:10:09.420 But...

01:10:10.420 Especially what's going on in this crazy world, you know?

01:10:12.420 You have shootings all over the place, you know?

01:10:14.420 So what do you...

01:10:15.420 What is your thought of the fact that probably his meal that is eating right now is the money of the taxpayer?

01:10:21.420 And he's not going to answer any of your questions as citizen of...

01:10:27.420 It's not a fancy restaurant.

01:10:28.420 No.

01:10:29.420 It's not eating in the, you know, a cheap restaurant.

01:10:33.420 It's eating what the people eat, you know?

01:10:35.420 Mm-hmm.

01:10:36.420 What do you think about the fact that the police came, they give a ticket to someone that was just standing on the street?

01:10:44.420 They gave a ticket?

01:10:45.420 Yes.

01:10:46.420 You need security, you know?

01:10:47.420 This is not security.

01:10:48.420 It's not security, but...

01:10:50.420 This is empty.

01:10:51.420 This is...

01:10:52.420 Bags of meat, empty.

01:10:53.420 This is a joke.

01:10:54.420 It's not security.

01:10:55.420 Bastards with meat in it.

01:10:56.420 That's it.

01:10:57.420 I'm just wondering, you're the security of Mr. Trudeau?

01:11:01.420 Yeah.

01:11:02.420 Hold on.

01:11:03.420 Don't ask if you know.

01:11:05.420 No, but why...

01:11:06.420 Why the police is doing your job instead of you pushing away the people?

01:11:11.420 No comment on this.

01:11:13.420 No comment?

01:11:14.420 Because now you have no security around, but the police came, so the taxpayer money is using for having more security instead of you maybe standing there to protect the Prime Minister, no?

01:11:29.420 That's your point of view.

01:11:31.420 But why are you standing just in the street and not doing anything?

01:11:36.420 Not supposed to be paid for being like the security?

01:11:40.420 No.

01:11:41.420 Well, maybe not.

01:11:42.420 I don't know.

01:11:43.420 He seems to know better than me, so...

01:11:47.420 I don't know.

01:11:48.420 It's why I'm asking you the question.

01:11:50.420 Why are you so many?

01:11:53.420 I'm good.

01:11:54.420 I'm good.

01:11:55.420 No answer.

01:11:58.420 No explanation why you cannot stand on the street.

01:12:01.420 They said it's a regulation of a municipality or something.

01:12:06.420 I don't know exactly what, but I asked them to give me a regulation number.

01:12:10.420 They couldn't give it to me.

01:12:11.420 That's it.

01:12:12.420 And what do you think about all of that?

01:12:14.420 I told them that I think that they're bullies and that's it.

01:12:17.420 Yeah.

01:12:18.420 And especially because we know that during the curfew, the acidic place was the most targeted.

01:12:25.420 That's what I told them.

01:12:26.420 What do you think about all of that and Mr. Trudeau doesn't answer any questions?

01:12:30.420 I don't... Mr. Trudeau, you can't talk to him.

01:12:33.420 Look, I can't talk because I'll be singled out afterwards as an acidic Jew saying my own personal opinion.

01:12:40.420 This is not... I'm not talking on behalf of anybody, but this is my personal opinion about Mr. Trudeau.

01:12:46.420 I think that what he's doing is really not right and it's not right to the people and he's not listening to the people.

01:12:51.420 So, but this is my personal opinion and I don't want people to start scapegoating the whole community because I said something.

01:12:58.420 So that's about it.

01:12:59.420 That's my personal opinion.

01:13:01.420 So, no ticket.

01:13:02.420 It was not fine.

01:13:04.420 They just say that they can give it to him, a ticket, but they didn't do it.

01:13:11.420 They say that it's a municipal law to not stand in the street and not doing anything.

01:13:17.420 This is again untrue because on public space, you're allowed to stand as a free citizen in the street, not in the middle of the street, but on the sidewalk.

01:13:30.420 The police is there asking people.

01:13:32.420 I'm really far away from you and...

01:13:34.420 Good, good, good.

01:13:35.420 You are, but I stayed...

01:13:36.420 I asked you to stand outside.

01:13:37.420 Yeah, but you have like a lot of people on this side.

01:13:39.420 Yes.

01:13:40.420 What is the difference?

01:13:41.420 I'm about to make the move.

01:13:42.420 Alright, so is you.

01:13:43.420 Alright, please move.

01:13:44.420 Thank you.

01:13:45.420 Move again, actually for the 10th time.

01:13:48.420 Thank you.

01:13:49.420 Oh, still, you see, they are pushing away the people that are just trying to stand somewhere and redirecting them the other side of the street.

01:14:03.420 So, this is kind of incredible.

01:14:07.420 So, Justin Trudeau just left the restaurant as usual, he did ignore everybody, took some selfies with some people who were in the restaurant,

01:14:16.420 and afterwards, the police did block the street for him to enter in the car.

01:14:22.420 So, as usual, Mr. Trudeau doesn't want to be confronted on real question.

01:14:28.420 So, if you like, please like and share that video.

01:14:32.420 Thanks, guys.

01:14:36.420 You see, we left right away when we received the tip that Mr. Trudeau was in Montreal.

01:14:42.420 And so, if you want to help us with our coverage, please go to rebelfieldreport.com.

01:14:49.420 And on this website, you can donate generously for our honest journalism.

01:14:54.420 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - July 13, 2022

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