Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Is wokeness a cult？ The alarming rise of the culture of death： An interview with Dr James Lindsay

00:00:00.080 Hello, my Rebels. A very special one-hour conversation with Dr. James Lindsay.

00:00:06.480 I'll be honest with you, I do a lot of brainstorming here. I throw a lot of ideas in the air and just

00:00:10.860 ask for him to help me sort through them. I'm trying to figure out why. Why is wokeness on

00:00:17.480 the march? Why the push for transgenderism? What is going on? I'm trying to make sense of it and 0.99

00:00:22.880 he's the man to help guide through his knowledge of philosophy and history. I hope you enjoy this

00:00:28.880 conversation as much as I did. I'm not sure if you will because I think I talked too much but boy

00:00:33.560 did he give great answers and I'm really glad to have access to his smarts. That's today's show.

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00:01:21.080 Tonight is wokeness a cult and is the obsession with transgenderism, 1.00

00:01:26.900 a relapse into pre-civilization morality. We'll try and figure these and other complicated

00:01:33.800 questions out. It's April 5th and you're watching the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:37.900 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:43.600 If you saw my interview a couple of weeks ago with Barbara Kay, you'll have heard me try and string

00:01:57.200 together a group of ideas as I was flailing my way to an understanding of why Canada has now jumped

00:02:04.700 in feet first in what they're calling cryptically made, MAID, Medical Assistance in Dying, which is

00:02:11.180 just another euphemism for doctor-assisted suicide. And it is happening so quickly in Canada.

00:02:17.240 One in 30 deaths in this country is by doctor-assisted suicide. And you can see

00:02:23.120 the attempt to cover that up guidance by the Ontario College of Physicians and Surgeons that is proposed

00:02:29.460 for MAID says that doctors should report these deaths not as the result of medically-assisted

00:02:35.920 suicide, but rather as the result of the underlying condition, depression, cancer, that they should

00:02:44.020 hide what they're doing because they know how abominable it is. And I started to feel, and I

00:02:50.780 bounced this off Barbara, that we were reverting to a pre-Christian, pre-Jewish, pre-historic almost,

00:02:59.880 moral code of violence, of the culture of death, not the culture of life. And I felt like we were

00:03:07.640 going back in time to a darker era. And just today I thought of that incredible film

00:03:15.120 by Mel Gibson, who makes beautiful movies and unusual movies. He made a movie that I recommend to you

00:03:23.980 called Apocalypto. And it's a dead language movie set in Central America right before the conquistadors

00:03:33.980 arrived. So it could be 1491. And it was about the human sacrifice on those giant pyramids. And it was

00:03:43.460 gorgeous and beautiful. And it was an exciting movie of drama and action and love and family love. And it

00:03:49.100 was wonderful personal stories, all done in dead languages, which is, was amazing. The costumes,

00:03:54.500 the scenery. But I think the entire point of the movie was in the final seconds where the two

00:04:02.140 antagonists are chasing each other in the jungle in a brutal battle to the death. And then suddenly

00:04:08.140 the Christian boats arrive with crosses on their sails. Take a look at this beautiful ending. I'm sorry 1.00

00:04:14.400 to spoil the movie for you, but you really should watch it nonetheless. Take a look.

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00:04:49.080 Thank you.

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00:07:49.060 I'm sure that's the reason why Mel Gibson, who is a deeply Christian, deeply religious, almost evangelical man, made the movie.

00:07:58.960 I think it was his way of saying, you don't like Christianity, you have a problem with our morality.

00:08:04.360 Well, wait till you see what preceded it.

00:08:07.760 So I'm talking about the culture of death.

00:08:13.160 The culture of the culture of the culture of the culture of the culture of the culture of death, but it also brings to mind the cult of transgenderism, where for the first time in millennia, adults are sacrificing children. 0.98

00:08:26.880 For millennia, it was the opposite. Adults would do anything to protect their children.

00:08:31.320 Now, adults are serving up their children, either to drag queen story hours, sexualizing children of tender years, or even abominably putting them on hormones, puberty blockers, and even engaging in body defiling surgeries, irrevocable steps.

00:08:52.200 What is going on?

00:09:22.180 He joins us now.

00:09:24.180 He joins us now via Skype.

00:09:27.180 Dr. Lindsay, pleasure to have you back.

00:09:29.180 Dr. Lindsay, pleasure to have you back.

00:09:30.180 I am flailing my way to an understanding here, but I do find some similarity.

00:09:35.180 The culture of death, suicide, even for children now they're proposing it, suicide for people who just have some depression, suicide for people who want to, suicide for veterans.

00:09:48.180 And then for those who live to be carved up, to feast on our children as some pagan demon might do. 1.00

00:09:57.180 What the hell is going on?

00:10:00.180 Well, I think your understanding you're filing to would be best described under the concept of tacit knowledge.

00:10:06.180 I don't know if you've heard of this concept, tacit knowledge.

00:10:09.180 It's a very formal term that roughly means intuition.

00:10:13.180 So what you're seeing is a set of things that are happening that are creating connections in your mind that are not incorrect, that you don't have a vocabulary to understand or to articulate clearly.

00:10:27.180 And so it rests in the realm of tacit knowledge.

00:10:30.180 But I think your hypothesis or your hunch here is uncomfortably correct.

00:10:35.180 I think that we're seeing with the woke in particular a complete rejection of Western culture and kind of at the center of Western culture is the Judeo-Christian ethic.

00:10:45.180 And by having a complete rejection of that, by throwing often its tenants back in its own face in our societies, we're seeing things that do look very much like child sacrifice, that do look very much like pagan, even ritual.

00:11:05.180 And, of course, we're seeing that celebrated, you know, whether it was the Oscars or the Grammys or whatever else, we're seeing these kinds of very overt displays of, I guess, a pagan kind of basis underneath this way of thinking.

00:11:21.060 I don't think you're wrong in that suspicion.

00:11:23.360 That's incredible.

00:11:24.360 That's incredible.

00:11:25.360 And you're so right.

00:11:26.360 I forgot about, was that the Emmys or the Grammys or some award show where they had a full satanic ritual unironically.

00:11:36.360 And why?

00:11:38.360 What's the market for that?

00:11:40.360 Or is it just those ancient ideas that are reasserting themselves?

00:11:46.360 You called it tacit knowledge.

00:11:50.360 Isn't that the truth?

00:11:51.360 When I was talking to my friend, Barbara Kay, who thinks about these things, I couldn't help but think of some ancient laws, the Ten Commandments.

00:12:00.360 Thou shalt not steal.

00:12:02.360 Thou shalt not murder.

00:12:04.360 There is only one God.

00:12:06.360 I mean, these are essential pillars of our consciousness, our imagination, our culture.

00:12:12.360 But obviously, they replaced something before them.

00:12:15.360 Obviously, they corrected something.

00:12:16.360 You don't bring in a law for no reason.

00:12:20.360 You bring in a law to correct something.

00:12:21.360 So obviously, murder was rife beforehand.

00:12:24.360 Obviously, people did not honor their mother and father.

00:12:27.360 Why would you make a law if they were?

00:12:29.360 Were they killing them in an assisted suicide?

00:12:34.360 What gods did they have that there needed to be command to have only one?

00:12:38.360 The Jews believe in another set of laws, Dr. Lindsay. 0.97

00:12:41.360 I don't know if you know this.

00:12:42.360 The laws of Noah that the Jews believe apply to all people, not just Jews.

00:12:46.360 They're basic laws for any human.

00:12:48.360 One of them that sticks in my mind because it's so unusual is that you're not to eat the flesh of any animal that's not killed.

00:12:57.360 Like you're not allowed to eat a live animal.

00:13:00.360 That sounds so unusual.

00:13:01.360 But obviously, that law was brought in because people were doing it.

00:13:05.360 And that level of cruelty, I mean, on the one hand, what do you care if the animal is alive or dead?

00:13:09.360 You're going to kill it to eat it anyways.

00:13:10.360 But on the other hand, it speaks to the immorality of the human that you would do something so abusive and cruel.

00:13:15.360 I think of, I think it was Kipling's, the gods of the copybook headings, all these ancient aphorisms.

00:13:22.360 They're not even Christian. 0.98

00:13:23.360 They're not even religious.

00:13:24.360 I think they're pre-Christian, but they're just codes of right and wrong. 1.00

00:13:30.360 I think of Jeffrey Epstein and the trafficking of children and how high society covers it up.

00:13:37.360 I think of Bohemian Grove and Alex Jones stumbling upon bizarre things.

00:13:42.360 And I have to say, I think my worldview is being shattered.

00:13:47.360 I think that the world is a lot darker than I ever thought it was.

00:13:51.360 And I think that the demons are coming out of the dark and manifesting themselves in the light now,

00:13:57.360 whether it's Disney or the Grammys or in our school curriculums or on the street.

00:14:03.360 And I'm going to stop rambling now.

00:14:05.360 And I'm going to rely on you to help me figure out what is going on,

00:14:10.360 what you call a tacit knowledge or an intuition.

00:14:13.360 Help me put some structure to it.

00:14:14.360 Help me with the vocabulary.

00:14:16.360 Help me with naming things because something's going on and it's deeply troubling me.

00:14:21.360 And I need your help to name what's going on.

00:14:24.360 Well, if we read the literature, and I always like to turn to the literature,

00:14:27.360 to the Marxist literature in particular that has been published,

00:14:31.360 especially the stuff that was published from the Frankfurt School guys in the United States following World War II.

00:14:38.360 If we read through that, we have, for example,

00:14:40.360 Eros and Civilization being written in 1955 by Herbert Marcuse.

00:14:45.360 And he's very clear, actually.

00:14:47.360 As I often do, I remember the page number for a strange reason.

00:14:51.360 It turns out on page 211, he's explaining, at least in the kind of standard copy, page 211 of my copy at any rate,

00:14:58.360 he's explaining that he calls it in the Greek, he puts it in the Greek, orthos pederastine,

00:15:05.360 which I'm sure I mispronounced, but it translates as correct pederasty is, in fact, the road to higher culture.

00:15:12.360 What you see, actually, is in these kind of pre-Christian cults, where you see these laws that were being laid down, 0.57

00:15:18.360 and you wonder what was going on, is what you had was this obsession with obtaining power,

00:15:24.360 the obsession with finding a God who would give you a shortcut to power and might and the ability to rule over others.

00:15:30.360 And you had the Jewish religion come in and eventually the Christian religion come in and say,

00:15:36.360 no, that's not right. You're going to be humble before God.

00:15:38.360 You're not going to rule because God is sovereign.

00:15:40.360 I mean, you have a completely new ethic come in at that place.

00:15:43.360 But in these earlier religions, these power-driven religions, what you have is very frequently rituals.

00:15:52.360 Those rituals are supposed to confer power.

00:15:55.360 And what Herbert Marcuse is writing about in that book is, in fact, that in pre-Socratic Greece,

00:16:05.360 that these rituals were done very much so with kind of a sexual intent.

00:16:11.360 And the goal is, in fact, to initiate children into sex while simultaneously initiating adults into a cult,

00:16:22.360 which more or less can be regulated by blackmail, which I think makes the tie to Jeffrey Epstein and his island very clear,

00:16:29.360 who are the stakeholders in our so-called stakeholder capitalism that we have.

00:16:33.360 Well, I don't know, but I have a feeling that the way you become one is you go to Jeffrey's island or the equivalent,

00:16:40.360 so that they can have blackmail and control you.

00:16:42.360 The goal of this was supposed to be sexual liberation from Marcuse.

00:16:47.360 The goal was to release the sexual energy, the libido, in order to become a creative force outside of the productive forces of capitalism

00:16:57.360 or outside the productive forces of the society that we live in.

00:17:01.360 And so you see this kind of return to those power-driven religions.

00:17:07.360 You see this return to the rituals that are supposed to release the libido and that requires sexual initiation, especially of young people.

00:17:17.360 Now, of course, what that does is deranges them.

00:17:20.360 It's very unhealthy for children to be sexualized, and they develop personality disorders, and then they can be driven to act quite wildly.

00:17:32.360 And we see this, for example, in Nashville yesterday.

00:17:35.360 There were these marches, thousands of children abandoning the schools, allegedly to, I don't remember, they were saying that we have to fight guns.

00:17:46.360 You know, we have to fight.

00:17:47.360 We have to have gun control because there was a shooting, of course, with a trans shooter. 0.97

00:17:54.360 And my feeling, of course, is that they're trying to hide the fact that the shooter was trans by talking only about the guns so vigorously and vociferously. 0.72

00:18:03.360 But what you see is this derangement in the young people who are not aware of what's going on in the world but are willing to go take political action to raise what they call good trouble, which is a communist phrase.

00:18:15.360 It means direct action under a communist activism.

00:18:20.360 And this is happening kind of all over the country yet again.

00:18:24.360 It happened in 2020.

00:18:25.360 We were all very aware of that.

00:18:27.360 And the goal, I think, of these cultic religions is to release that, to pent up the energy in the children, the young people, and release it.

00:18:35.360 This is what Mao Zedong did in China, not so much necessarily through transgender or anything like this, but through identity politics. 0.61

00:18:42.360 He created identity categories and he worked up the children.

00:18:45.360 And what did they do?

00:18:46.360 They went out and they attacked their parents.

00:18:48.360 They went out and attacked the teachers.

00:18:49.360 They went out and destroyed the existing society.

00:18:52.360 And I think we're seeing the exact same thing.

00:18:54.360 We're tapping into children's desire for power and deranging them with it.

00:19:01.360 And the Judeo-Christian ethic of the West, whether someone is Christian or Jewish or not, is kind of irrelevant, is a target because it encourages humility.

00:19:13.360 It encourages turning the other cheek.

00:19:15.360 It encourages a number of virtues, the meek shall inherit the earth and so on, that are being perverted. 1.00

00:19:23.360 I mean, again, I just think that you're not wrong to suspect that this is a turn toward whether you want to call them Babylonian pagan cults or whether you want to call it pre-Christian and point to the South American human sacrifice cults.

00:19:40.360 I think that woke has this inside of it.

00:19:43.360 You know, I was just reading your article on New Discourses dot com called Wokeness and the Structure of Cults.

00:19:53.360 And you ask a great question.

00:19:56.360 How can so many people be initiates into a cult without even knowing the cult is a cult?

00:20:03.360 And I think if you were to ask most woke people, I think they would know the word woke and they would say, yes, I'm woke because they think that's a good word and you have to be woke.

00:20:14.360 But and they would say, OK, they would have sort of message tracks like they would have a few lines that they've heard other people say a lot.

00:20:22.360 And then maybe they had to do a call and response in some way in school.

00:20:27.360 I don't think they would have thought deeply about it, but they would they would have their OK, someone talked about global warming.

00:20:32.360 Here's a message track on that.

00:20:34.360 Someone talked about gender. 1.00

00:20:35.360 I have a message track on that on reparations on in Canada.

00:20:39.360 You can see the woke cult working up land acknowledgements.

00:20:45.360 We are on land stolen from the first people like you. 1.00

00:20:48.360 They have their talking points down pat.

00:20:51.360 And they would feel like they're in good company and socially compliant, but they would never say I'm part of a cult.

00:20:58.360 They would never say that they would always say they came to that conclusion thoughtfully on their own.

00:21:03.360 I think some of them would say they never heard the other side of the story as well, that they would be truly shocked that anyone didn't believe these things.

00:21:11.360 It would be like, you know, saying to someone, oh, it's OK to litter.

00:21:15.360 What? That's insane. Everyone knows don't litter.

00:21:19.360 They like it's just obvious, like cover your nose when you sneeze.

00:21:23.360 That's not even political. We just do it.

00:21:25.360 How do you answer a cult whose cult members don't even know they're in it?

00:21:31.360 I mean, you have to show them that what they're participating in is is operating in that way.

00:21:37.360 Unfortunately, with the woke cult, it's actually a bit obvious.

00:21:40.360 They're rather vicious to people who disagree with the doctrine.

00:21:46.360 And in fact, maybe the most obvious sign that will reach a lot of people is, in fact, that the level of with which it divides even families, not just friends, but families.

00:21:58.360 That's something you don't see anywhere short of religious or cult conviction.

00:22:03.360 And I think that that's the way that you can get their attention.

00:22:07.360 And we see that the way that people get pulled into this cult, though, is through through moral and kind of social requirement.

00:22:14.360 I saw a meme the other day and it said it was some leftist meme and it said it showed some guy and it said, is this criticism of Joe Biden, a Republican criticism or a cool criticism?

00:22:26.360 And it's kind of indicative of what I'm talking about.

00:22:29.360 And then, you know, I saw a coloring book that's used there in Ontario.

00:22:33.360 Somebody sent me today with children, this coloring book that's paid for by the Canadian government.

00:22:39.360 And it's, of course, just horrific.

00:22:42.360 And the last letter, Z or Z, maybe I don't know how you guys say it up there, is for Z's or pronouns with Z, Z, E, R or something made up.

00:22:54.360 And it talks about the importance of initiating people through their pronouns.

00:22:58.360 And so what you do is you get these children thinking this is what's socially acceptable to do.

00:23:04.360 This is what it means to be a good person.

00:23:06.360 This is not just children, adults as well.

00:23:08.360 This is what it means to fit in and kind of this new program.

00:23:12.360 And when they're morally and socially committed, they have very deep ties, even though they don't know what they're participating in.

00:23:19.360 They have no idea that they're participating in a kind of very organized program.

00:23:24.360 But there is an opportunity to show them that they're being they're being brought into a very organized program.

00:23:31.360 I have a friend quite famous now, especially also in Canada.

00:23:35.360 He goes by Billboard Chris.

00:23:37.360 His name is Chris Elston.

00:23:38.360 And he told me that at one point that he had a run in with Scientology and he started to flirt with Scientology in the 1990s.

00:23:45.360 And he said, if there was the Internet, I never would have got in because I would have been able to see deeper into what it was than what they were telling me as they brought me in.

00:23:56.360 And so there's an opportunity to show people.

00:23:58.360 And this is kind of what I do.

00:24:00.360 Look, this is what the literature says.

00:24:01.360 This is what they're going to how they're going to treat you.

00:24:04.360 You know, right now it's all affirmation.

00:24:06.360 But the next step is ruthless criticism of yourself and teaching you to self criticize its guilt and shame spirals so that you'll become emotionally and morally locked into this.

00:24:17.360 And that's why I wrote these essays that you're referring to on new discourses was to try to show people that there's a structure to cults.

00:24:24.360 There's a, you know, an outer layer where the people are just kind of committed because they think it's the right thing to do and an inner layer where they've studied the doctrine and they know it and they push it.

00:24:33.360 And then there's the inner circle, which is kind of the leaders.

00:24:36.360 And those are the people who I think have been through these rituals we were discussing previously.

00:24:41.360 The Jeffrey Epstein story was shocking in that it had always been a conspiracy theory, a rumor, a flight of fancy, a wildness and a lack of believability.

00:24:56.360 A couple of things I think really were key moments there when that reporter in an open mic mistake said, oh, yeah, we had the Epstein stuff, but we weren't allowed to run with it.

00:25:13.360 Here, let me just refresh your memory about that clip. Take a look at this.

00:25:18.360 I've had the story for three years. I've had this interview with Virginia Roberts.

00:25:21.360 We would not put it on the air.

00:25:23.360 First of all, I was told, who's Jeffrey Epstein? No one knows who that is. This is a stupid story.

00:25:27.360 Then the palace found out that we had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways.

00:25:35.360 We were so afraid we wouldn't be able to interview Kate and Will that we, that also quashed the story.

00:25:43.360 And then, and then Alan Dershowitz was also implicated in it because of the planes.

00:25:48.360 She told me everything. She had pictures. She had everything. She was in hiding for 12 years.

00:25:53.360 We convinced her to come out. We convinced her to talk to us.

00:25:56.360 It was unbelievable what we had Clinton. We had everything.

00:26:00.360 I, I tried for three years to get it on to no avail. And now it's all coming out and it's like these new revelations.

00:26:09.360 And I freaking had all of it. I, I, I'm so pissed right now.

00:26:13.360 Like every day I get more and more pissed. Cause I'm just like, Oh my God, we, it was what we had was unreal.

00:26:20.360 Other women backing it up. Hey, yep. Brad Edwards, the attorney three years ago saying like, like we, there will come a day, but we will realize Jeffrey Epstein was the most prolific pedophile this country has ever known.

00:26:34.360 I had it all three years ago.

00:26:36.360 But that was astonishing. And then when Melinda Gates, wife of one of the richest, most powerful men in the world, divorced Bill Gates and explicitly said his refusal to stop going to meet Jeffrey Epstein and credible reports say it was literally dozens of times.

00:26:58.360 And to publicly say, that's why she was divorcing. And you can imagine she would have objected many times before that ultimate move of like, imagine how many times she said, stop, don't.

00:27:08.360 And imagine how many times he refused. Here's a reminder of Melinda Gates describing that.

00:27:13.360 You know, it was also widely reported that Bill had a friendship or business or some kind of contact with Jeffrey Epstein and that you were not, that that was very upsetting to you.

00:27:24.360 Did that play a role in the, in the divorce at all in this process?

00:27:28.360 Yeah. As I said, it's not one thing. It was many things, but I did not like, uh, that he'd had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein. No.

00:27:36.360 And you made that clear to him.

00:27:39.360 I made that clear to him.

00:27:41.360 I also met Jeffrey Epstein exactly one time.

00:27:44.360 Did you?

00:27:45.360 Yes. Because I wanted to see who this man was.

00:27:48.360 And, um, I regretted it from the second I stepped in the door.

00:27:53.360 He was abhorrent.

00:27:54.360 He was evil personified.

00:27:57.360 I had nightmares about it afterwards.

00:27:59.360 So, you know, my heart breaks for these young women because that's how I felt.

00:28:03.360 And here I'm an older woman.

00:28:05.360 My God, I feel terrible for those young women.

00:28:07.360 It's awful.

00:28:08.360 You felt that the moment you walked in.

00:28:10.360 I didn't realize that.

00:28:11.360 Yeah.

00:28:12.360 And you shared that with Bill and he still continued to spend time with him.

00:28:16.360 Any of the questions remaining about what Bill's relationship there was, those are for Bill to answer.

00:28:22.360 Okay.

00:28:23.360 But I made it very clear how I felt about him.

00:28:25.360 Mm-hmm.

00:28:26.360 And then, of course, the insanity of him hanging himself, killing himself in jail and the security cameras weren't working and the guards were sleeping.

00:28:36.360 I think, I think right or left, rich or poor, black or white, I think people realized, oh my God, that is a true story.

00:28:44.360 Not just the stuff of, you know, Hollywood rumors or the movie Eyes Wide Shut.

00:28:52.360 And so let me ask you about these masters of the universe.

00:28:57.360 I think some people said, well, it was all about extortion and blackmail.

00:29:01.360 So it was a, it was like a CIA or Mossad operation where every powerful person was compromised and then they could be part of a establishment agenda.

00:29:12.360 Okay, that there's some, that rings true. 0.98

00:29:15.360 But are these people in the center of, of a cult?

00:29:19.360 Do they have a quasi religion or do they, do they have some belief system other than power and, and blackmail?

00:29:27.360 Like who would, and again, I'm not looking to, I'm not looking for conspiracy theories.

00:29:32.360 I'm just looking to understand who would promote this and who would, who would revive the predation of children? 0.97

00:29:41.360 Who would do that?

00:29:44.360 Well, that's a difficult question without being too speculative.

00:29:48.360 But what is less difficult is to see that, uh, what is going on with this, this ideology, the woke ideology, for example, or even communism earlier is actually a revival of these ancient, uh, religions that are decried as heresies, uh, and, and evil in the Bible.

00:30:07.360 These are religions known as hermeticism and Gnosticism.

00:30:10.360 And it is very likely that people that have been initiated at the highest levels are very aware that they are being given very powerful tools, allegedly tools of transformation, which is of course a word that we see everywhere.

00:30:23.360 Now transform this, transform that, the sustainable development goals or 17 goals to transform our world, uh, kind of see this everywhere.

00:30:33.360 And the hermetic religion is actually the easiest way to kind of make sense, honestly, of the trans phenomenon as well.

00:30:40.360 And so when you see it in that context, who would revive this kind of practice?

00:30:45.360 Well, the answer might be hermeticists.

00:30:47.360 Hermeticism was an ancient alchemical religion.

00:30:50.360 Uh, it's credited to Northern Egypt, uh, in roughly the same time as Socrates or Plato.

00:30:58.360 But it must be somewhat earlier because Plato refers to it in the Phaedrus, uh, quite, uh, explicitly.

00:31:05.360 So it must predate, uh, Plato by some years.

00:31:09.360 And, uh, it's allegedly a religion of, of, of magic, of, uh, of, of magical powers.

00:31:16.360 And the goal is, in fact, to realize that you are, in fact, a part of God and that God can't actualize himself as the deity until human beings realize that they, in fact, are God.

00:31:31.360 And that, in fact, God will come to know himself through them coming to know themselves.

00:31:37.360 And so it has these principles that seem very familiar to the kind of woke behavior.

00:31:44.360 Uh, the principle of, uh, polarity.

00:31:47.360 There are no true opposites.

00:31:49.360 Opposites are the same in kind, but different in degree.

00:31:51.360 So you see the blurring of boundaries and the mixture of, of concepts to where they are, uh, seen as, as, as, I mean, the technical word is the dialectical opposites.

00:32:02.360 Hegel reinvented this religion for the Western context in, in the early 1800s.

00:32:07.360 Marx picked up the tools and ran with them.

00:32:10.360 And everything, I think, follows from there.

00:32:12.360 But there's also this desire to, the, the, the goal with the Hermetic religion is that you are, uh, as a human being, that you are to ascend yourself spiritually and leave your body behind and become a self-begotten being in the, in other words, become your own Christ.

00:32:29.360 And you are to become self-begotten at which point, uh, you will be able to re-merge with the, with the one, the total, the all.

00:32:37.360 And so we see this kind of, uh, I know it sounds a little bit crazy to say, but with the trans phenomenon, it's very obvious that the goal is in fact to realize that you are other than the way that society has told you that you are. 0.96

00:32:51.360 And then to make yourself into that image and then make society where they all accept you as you now see yourself.

00:33:00.800 And that's in fact exactly how the trans phenomenon works.

00:33:04.280 And so there are good reasons to believe that the people who are kind of in the secret halls of power behind this are probably likely aware that they are using kind of Hermetic principles.

00:33:16.700 George Soros talks about the alchemy of finance, the alchemy of this, the alchemy of that.

00:33:21.800 He says he's an alchemist, but that's Hermetic.

00:33:25.640 He very likely knows what he's talking about.

00:33:28.140 When we see the trans phenomenon, we see the desire to transcend the body, to leave behind all of its, its, its restrictions and to become a self-begetting entity.

00:33:38.140 Uh, another principle is very infamous or famous.

00:33:41.960 I, a lot of Westerners believe it's satanic, uh, which is called the principle of correspondence.

00:33:46.880 It's as above, so below, and as below, so above.

00:33:50.400 And this is actually the model of activism throughout all of Marxism as below.

00:33:55.020 So above means that if you go do your praxis and you try to transform the world as a person down in the bottom part of society as below, then you can actually be a historical change agent and transform the society, which is the thing that's above you.

00:34:07.620 And so that's praxis, but when the society changes, it will condition everybody and social, socialize everybody into the new view of the world.

00:34:14.600 And that's what Marx called the inversion of praxis.

00:34:17.340 And so you get that cyclical as above, so below, as below, so above principle of correspondence applied to the activity of praxis and inversion of praxis and Marxism.

00:34:27.440 Um, but this is just being applied to the body within the trans cult. 0.94

00:34:30.760 So I think that it's very likely that the people who've been at the highest levels of initiation in this know that they are organizing a religious cult based on secret knowledge of how to transform reality to be what they want it to be.

00:34:46.840 Um, and at least make sense of these otherwise inexplicable sets of behaviors.

00:34:53.120 You know, I think you're right about destroying reality, remaking reality, transforming reality, the alchemy.

00:35:00.500 There's this enormous push on right now, and it's almost too hard to believe.

00:35:04.760 It's straight out of Orwell, by the way.

00:35:07.580 You know, Orwell would hold up two fingers and say how many fingers in 1984.

00:35:12.620 And the answer was two, but you had to say three.

00:35:15.080 You had to force someone to say three.

00:35:16.640 And right now in, in woke, uh, education, two plus two equals four is literally being called white supremacist.

00:35:28.140 Two plus two equals five.

00:35:30.600 And they'll have all sorts of proofs to show that this is true.

00:35:34.660 You must acknowledge that two plus two equals five, or you are a racist.

00:35:39.580 And I know a lot of viewers will say I'm making that up and that's not the case, but it is.

00:35:44.840 And I think it goes, if you can dynamite, uh, your understanding of physics and biology to say,

00:35:53.080 I don't know what a woman is. 1.00

00:35:54.180 A man can be a woman. 0.99

00:35:56.020 If you can say a man can be a woman, of course you can say two plus two equals five. 0.99

00:36:00.780 Uh, you, you probably don't know what two plus two equals five until you're three or four years old.

00:36:06.160 Whereas, uh, even before we can remember or know language, we know what a mother is.

00:36:12.780 We know what a woman is. 1.00

00:36:13.800 If you can say you don't know what a woman is, you can say the two plus two is five. 0.95

00:36:17.380 You can destroy everything.

00:36:18.600 I mean, I remember the old saying, you join the army, they'll break you down and then build you back up into the, into the man they wanted.

00:36:25.600 And that, that's a kind of conformity that you want in the military.

00:36:28.280 And, and probably it improves your strength and your discipline and your ability to take orders and your skills.

00:36:33.720 And we want that in the military.

00:36:35.100 You want order and you want conformity.

00:36:38.640 And that's what they're doing here.

00:36:40.020 They're just, they're breaking you down and rebuilding you.

00:36:43.280 And I, maybe that's why they have trouble with Christians because Christians have something that doesn't want to be broken down.

00:36:48.600 I don't know of any truly Christian people who are woke. 0.99

00:36:51.600 Like, I don't think it's going to be a Christian or a Muslim or a Jew who's really Bible or Koran believing. 0.63

00:36:57.300 And woke because there's certain essential truths.

00:37:00.420 If you believe the Torah or the Koran is the perfect word of God, you will not believe that two plus two equals five. 0.64

00:37:08.460 You can't.

00:37:09.260 And you see attempts to, to alter reality like that as diabolical.

00:37:14.560 I don't know.

00:37:15.980 Do you know of any true believing Jew, Christian, or Muslim who's woke? 0.93

00:37:21.600 No.

00:37:22.220 And for the reasons that you have just explained, they have a commitment to something and a humility before that commitment.

00:37:28.960 And that thing is, is truth, whether they call it God, whether they call it the logos, as you see in, in, in, in John chapter one.

00:37:37.840 And so what a lot of people have missed about what is a woman is that when the Supreme Court justice that was being, being vetted by the Senate, 0.72

00:37:51.200 Kentaji Brown Jackson got asked by Marsha Blackburn, Senator Blackburn.

00:37:54.600 And I'm proud to say, as my senator, when, when she was asked, what is a woman?

00:37:59.840 And she couldn't answer, but she said, I'm, I don't know.

00:38:02.880 I'm not a biologist.

00:38:04.000 She picked the wrong kind of expert.

00:38:06.400 It shouldn't depend on biology.

00:38:07.880 But the fact of the matter is that what she said is you have to ask an expert.

00:38:11.560 You have to ask somebody who has access to the complicated secret knowledge.

00:38:16.160 And that's what they're doing with children.

00:38:17.540 And that's part and parcel with these kinds of cults.

00:38:20.040 That's why there's two plus two equals five or three or whatever, as long as it's that we don't admit that it's always four.

00:38:28.700 And the reason is because that they, they, they make it so that you cannot understand reality for yourself.

00:38:38.760 The only way you can understand reality is through the so-called experts in the cult who will tell you what the answers of reality are.

00:38:44.760 In other words, these people therefore have complete power over you.

00:38:47.440 Um, but this is, again, this, the same thing that you would see in this hermetic religion.

00:38:52.660 I didn't, you know, most people don't know what it is.

00:38:54.740 So it's hard to break into this and just a dialogue in a few minutes.

00:38:58.300 But the point of, of the hermetic religion is in fact that all distinctions are illusions.

00:39:03.980 There are no true distinctions.

00:39:05.840 And so if you say two plus two equals four, well, that's a distinction.

00:39:09.460 That's a true statement.

00:39:10.620 And it is not a false statement as a distinction.

00:39:12.760 It's two plus two equals four, not five or three or 17 or any other number.

00:39:17.840 And that's a distinction.

00:39:19.460 Uh, there is man and there is woman, and that's a distinction. 1.00

00:39:21.820 There is good and there is evil, and that's a distinction.

00:39:23.720 There is man and there is God, and that's a distinction.

00:39:25.600 And in fact, those are all the kinds of distinctions that they want to obliterate.

00:39:29.040 Because the belief is that distinctions are an illusion.

00:39:31.480 So when you have a distinction, that's the principle of polarity I mentioned earlier.

00:39:34.980 The idea is that there's, the distinction is false.

00:39:39.420 Things that are opposite are in fact the same in kind, but different in degree is the way

00:39:44.500 that it's phrased.

00:39:45.300 And the, what you need in order to see how they are the same in kind, but different in

00:39:49.740 degree is an expert who tells you, or a cult guru who tells you how the, you know, the

00:39:56.940 information bringing, being brought in by your senses or through evidence or through logic

00:40:01.560 is not correct.

00:40:02.980 It's not complete as a matter of fact, because what it does is it establishes distinctions

00:40:06.880 that have to be obliterated.

00:40:08.520 And so what you're doing is creating a cult-like circumstance where you are conditioning the

00:40:15.200 people, and I reiterate children, to not know how to answer questions about the world

00:40:20.560 for themselves, to not be able to apprehend the reality that they live in for themselves,

00:40:24.420 and to have to ask the guru, have to be told what the right answer is, what you're

00:40:30.240 supposed to do in this situation, is that a man, is that a woman? 1.00

00:40:33.280 And if they can break your mind that way, and this is sort of the point of the scene

00:40:37.880 in 1984, where he's being forced to acquiesce to two plus two equals five, then at the end

00:40:48.880 of the book comes true, you know, it was Winston had conquered himself at the end, he came to

00:40:55.580 love big brother.

00:40:57.180 And in other words, you can be, you can enter into a state of total dependency and a state

00:41:02.260 of total dependency has one mind with no distinctions, which is the re-actualization

00:41:08.820 of what the Hermetic religion believes is God.

00:41:10.840 One mind with no distinctions.

00:41:13.660 You know, everything you say makes me have five more questions or observations.

00:41:17.860 Um, you made me think of the four olds, which was a concept that the Red Guards, the cultural

00:41:25.140 revolution, uh, communists, the Maoists in China came up with the four olds, old ideas,

00:41:31.160 old culture, old customs, old habits had to be thrown out.

00:41:34.460 And by the way, China, you know, Trudeau once said China is the country he most admires.

00:41:39.800 And then he immediately said for its basic dictatorship that allows it to move quickly on the environment.

00:41:45.900 That's actually how he ended that quote.

00:41:48.200 There are many things to mind about China.

00:41:51.180 It's history, it's civilization, it's culture, it's language.

00:41:53.540 It's, there's, there's many amazing things, very admirable, admirable things.

00:41:58.400 And those four, those were the four things that Mao wanted to stamp out.

00:42:02.580 I do old ideas, old culture, old customs, old habits.

00:42:05.880 Not all of them were perfect.

00:42:07.120 There were, there were atrocious things in every country in the world.

00:42:09.840 But imagine destroying the history of an ancient civilization like China because Mao wanted to

00:42:17.060 raise things down.

00:42:18.000 He wanted to renumber the years.

00:42:19.980 In fact, he wanted to give people numbers instead of names.

00:42:22.800 He, he, he wanted to give human being numbers instead of names.

00:42:28.240 Can I, you made me think of that poem again, um, the gods of the copybook headings.

00:42:35.160 And can I read one paragraph to it?

00:42:38.220 And I, I, I did this with Barbara Kaye the other day, and I think she was surprised by

00:42:41.800 this.

00:42:42.220 This is Rudyard Kipling in 1919.

00:42:44.420 His poem is the gods of the copybook headings, which were the proverbs that children were taught

00:42:49.320 to, to their handwriting.

00:42:51.200 They would write again and again and again, little proverbs just by rote, just to practice

00:42:56.120 doing their, their, their writing, their penmanship.

00:42:59.880 And you may as well write thoughtful proverbs, you know, to drum it into the mind by rote

00:43:06.060 repetition.

00:43:07.400 And, and so Kipling called those the gods of the copybook headings.

00:43:12.200 Those were the things at the top.

00:43:13.840 And I was thinking about two plus two is four.

00:43:16.740 That's referenced in this poem in 1919.

00:43:20.840 Let me quote to you.

00:43:21.740 It's a long poem.

00:43:22.420 I'm just going to read one paragraph of it.

00:43:23.820 In the carboniferous epoch, we were promised abundance for all by robbing selective Peter

00:43:29.700 to pay for collective Paul.

00:43:31.260 But though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy.

00:43:34.260 And the gods of the copybook headings said, if you don't work, you die.

00:43:38.420 But here's the next one.

00:43:39.840 Listen to this one.

00:43:41.360 Then the gods of the market tumbled and their smooth tongue wizards withdrew.

00:43:45.860 And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true that all is

00:43:51.380 not gold that glitters and two and two make four.

00:43:55.140 And the gods of the copybook headings limped up to explain it once more.

00:44:00.660 And as it will be in the future, it was at the birth of man.

00:44:04.580 There are only four things certain since social progress began.

00:44:09.180 I won't read any more, but even a hundred years ago, these, and this was written right

00:44:13.680 after the great war in 1919 when all sorts of eternal truths were smashed.

00:44:20.240 I think the first world war smashed a lot of people's views about what the world was like.

00:44:25.400 And I think this was Kipling's way of saying two plus two equals four.

00:44:29.480 It's incredible that he said that a hundred and four years ago, because that is the front 0.97

00:44:34.600 line today in woke education.

00:44:37.240 And I don't know.

00:44:41.520 I think, I think they smash everything just to dislodge us and make us long for some sort

00:44:49.300 of home and some sort of safe place.

00:44:50.880 They, they have to smash everything that we believe in to free us up for them to capture.

00:44:55.700 I think that's why they go after institutions like Christianity and frankly, like the NFL,

00:45:00.920 like the military, like everything masculine, everything strong, everything certain, they

00:45:06.080 have to smash.

00:45:06.900 That's why that's the whole take a knee thing. 0.78

00:45:08.920 They're trying to wokeify everything to unmoor people that they can then recapture and reprogram.

00:45:15.040 Yeah.

00:45:15.620 Well, you mentioned Mao and I'll point out that Mao made it very clear.

00:45:19.640 There was a formula he used to transform the population of China, which he articulated first

00:45:25.460 in 1942.

00:45:26.200 And that formula was unity, criticism, unity.

00:45:29.060 So it's a three stage.

00:45:30.360 This is at the heart of cults, by the way, unity, criticism, unity.

00:45:34.680 So he says that the first part, you begin by creating a desire for unity.

00:45:39.680 And what does that look like in the modern era?

00:45:42.100 Well, we just want to have an inclusive environment.

00:45:45.060 We want to make sure it's a place where everybody feels like they belong.

00:45:47.700 Don't you want unity in our country?

00:45:49.280 And then when you desire to fit in, then they start to point out why you are the problem.

00:45:57.300 Well, you've got these bourgeois attitudes.

00:45:59.480 Your family comes from money.

00:46:01.280 You have racist beliefs.

00:46:03.680 You subscribe to this masculine, you know, whether it's the NFL or whatever else.

00:46:08.700 And this makes other people feel uncomfortable.

00:46:10.400 So we can't have unity until you stop doing that.

00:46:13.700 And so you have to be criticized for all of the things you like, for your adherence to

00:46:18.920 the old culture.

00:46:19.980 And that has to be destroyed.

00:46:21.300 And for anything outside of the cult, you have to be criticized.

00:46:24.540 And then you have to adopt that criticism to the point of self-criticism.

00:46:29.100 You have to criticize yourself.

00:46:30.440 You have to feel guilty.

00:46:31.540 You have to feel shame.

00:46:32.800 You have to confess.

00:46:33.680 And when you start that process of guilt and shame and confession, there's all kinds of

00:46:38.300 psychological things that happen to transform your commitments to this cult.

00:46:42.740 So you start with a desire for unity.

00:46:44.280 And then this criticism cycle that they called struggle, struggle sessions, kicks in.

00:46:50.160 And then on the other hand, he says, so that we can have unity, the third part of the formula,

00:46:55.360 we can have unity according to a new standard.

00:46:57.400 So they have to make sure that there's no unity of people in, say, their freedom or their

00:47:03.440 ability to think.

00:47:04.320 But there will be a new standard.

00:47:06.580 And the new standard he called in China in the 1940s and 1950s and 1960s, he called it

00:47:12.760 socialist discipline.

00:47:15.080 We call it inclusion.

00:47:17.080 We call it sustainability.

00:47:19.080 There's a new standard.

00:47:20.140 And if you don't sign up for the standard, you're the problem.

00:47:23.320 You are the reason that we can't have unity.

00:47:25.100 We would all be in union if we would all work together.

00:47:27.760 There would be complete national unity.

00:47:29.300 There would be unity between people if we could just get rid of these these things.

00:47:33.780 And so we have like racism and sexism and unsustainable practices.

00:47:38.520 And so if we can just get people to commit to that, if we can just get people to completely

00:47:43.020 abandon their old culture, which is filled with all these points where unity under a new

00:47:48.000 standard is impossible, then we can move forward into a new world and that new world will

00:47:52.860 be completely unified, but under socialist discipline managed by what he called democratic

00:47:57.980 centralism, which is a neat way to say stakeholder capitalism, I think.

00:48:03.140 And so you see that the formula that's being played out is on the one hand, Maoist.

00:48:08.060 And on the other hand, if you study Mao, it's very obvious.

00:48:11.340 It's not actually that controversial that Mao was running a gigantic personality cult around

00:48:15.920 himself.

00:48:16.680 I've talked to Chinese immigrants who were there under Mao, who were completely committed,

00:48:23.400 some of whom were red guards as children.

00:48:25.660 And they're now American and they now, you know, are freedom loving.

00:48:30.520 And they say that when Mao died, they were lost souls for years.

00:48:34.080 How could God die?

00:48:35.320 How is that possible?

00:48:36.260 They were completely brainwashed into a cult of believing in Mao's deity.

00:48:40.080 And so I think it becomes very clear that what we're dealing with is, is Western Maoism and

00:48:46.420 that what it's doing is creating a, just like we saw in China in the 1940s and fifties and

00:48:51.800 sixties, creating a national cult underneath the woke ideology.

00:48:56.360 Now, I, again, remind you that the brand names have different, have changed the different words

00:49:01.940 that they use unity, belonging.

00:49:04.100 I mean, Joe Biden pushed for unity after he got elected and American conservatives were

00:49:09.440 savvy enough to realize that unity only meant, would only be possible under, you know, some

00:49:15.460 new standard and we rejected it.

00:49:17.000 And now he doesn't talk about that anymore.

00:49:18.920 So you can push these things back, but, you know, diversity, equity, inclusion, belonging,

00:49:25.100 these words of a very welcoming space.

00:49:27.180 These are the same, these are the same idea in new clothes for Mao's formula to transform

00:49:35.900 society into a gigantic Maoist cult.

00:49:38.640 And like I said, I think that the, the new standard, the socialist discipline is what Klaus

00:49:42.940 Schwab refers to as, this is a sustainable and inclusive future that he refers to all the

00:49:48.540 time.

00:49:48.980 I mean, he just said, in fact, that we were, there was an interview I saw that went around

00:49:52.520 on, on the social media with him just the other day.

00:49:55.840 And he's there saying that we're going to move away from an economy of production and

00:49:59.600 consumption into one of sharing and caring.

00:50:02.060 And according to what, according to sharing, according to their socialist discipline standards

00:50:08.760 and caring, according to what they say you have to care about under, again, their standards.

00:50:13.060 So I think it becomes very obvious what, what's actually occurring, um, when we take a step

00:50:19.240 back and start to think of this as a, a, a, you know, large international scale at this

00:50:24.880 point, cult, uh, that's, that's forcing people to, uh, feel like horrible people if they don't

00:50:31.460 participate in the cult.

00:50:33.500 You know, the word mind virus, uh, Elon Musk uses that word a lot.

00:50:38.420 And I, I believe in that, by the way.

00:50:40.240 Um, you know, just like laughing is contagious.

00:50:45.220 Yawning is contagious.

00:50:46.740 You see when someone yawn, you want to yawn.

00:50:48.860 The whole way laugh tracks work is you hear someone else laughing.

00:50:51.900 You think, oh, it's a funny joke.

00:50:53.140 I'd better laugh along.

00:50:54.220 There's all these deep things within us.

00:50:57.560 Suicide, they happen in clusters because people say, oh, that's, that's something that my peers

00:51:02.740 contemplate.

00:51:03.780 There's so many ideas that transmit socially.

00:51:07.440 I think, I think the real virus during the last few years of the lockdown were mind viruses.

00:51:16.060 They were assisted by, you know, the destruction of the four olds.

00:51:20.580 All of a sudden we had to wear masks.

00:51:21.860 All of a sudden we couldn't, uh, visit our families.

00:51:24.580 All of a sudden we couldn't have rituals that involved dinner tables, churches, funerals,

00:51:29.520 weddings.

00:51:30.420 You know, they were destroying the four olds ideas.

00:51:32.520 You can't believe in natural immunity.

00:51:34.720 You can't, culture, customs, habits.

00:51:37.240 They, I, I, I, there's so many terrifying and eerie things here.

00:51:43.580 And the mind virus, these, the vocabulary, putting words into children's minds and drumming

00:51:50.200 it into their minds a thousand times.

00:51:52.100 They really are transforming people.

00:51:54.140 It really is what I think you called magic before.

00:51:57.700 It is a kind of magic.

00:51:59.960 There is nothing more powerful than a, than a person.

00:52:03.360 It's the ultimate resource.

00:52:05.740 And I think for all the greed of the socialists and the communists, they were greedy, sure,

00:52:12.600 for money, for land, for factories, for bread.

00:52:16.280 Yes, yes, yes.

00:52:17.300 But really what they wanted is the hearts and minds of people.

00:52:20.860 That's what they knew was the most valuable.

00:52:22.400 And I think they're right on that.

00:52:24.300 We've had you here for almost an hour and I feel guilty whenever I keep you so long.

00:52:28.460 And I feel bad that I do so much talking, but really I'm just trying to find my way to

00:52:32.780 an answer here.

00:52:33.480 These are subjects that, frankly, I didn't contemplate in the first half of my life.

00:52:39.460 I just didn't feel like they were live issues.

00:52:42.020 I think that, that I was just thinking about the movie Tootsie, which is the first time I

00:52:47.420 really, it was from the early eighties.

00:52:49.540 Dustin Hoffman dressed up as a woman.

00:52:51.200 And the joke was, it wasn't a sexual thing.

00:52:53.320 He was just trying to get a job he couldn't as a male actor.

00:52:55.880 And that was, I think, the experience for the vast majority of people for what transgender

00:53:01.820 is or trans, like it was a quirky oddity, almost something funny. 1.00

00:53:07.380 But we live in a world where that madness is the norm.

00:53:11.720 And if you're not trans, you're the absurdity. 1.00

00:53:15.540 We'll have to keep talking about this.

00:53:17.180 Listen, I hope you don't mind if I call on you from time to time.

00:53:19.900 I know I should listen more than I talk, but I want, I want to see your reactions to some

00:53:23.820 of my ideas and some of my thoughts.

00:53:25.800 And, and it makes me think of things in real time, like, like the ancient laws and what

00:53:31.020 they were enacted to replace.

00:53:33.240 I don't think we think, but we throw away.

00:53:35.580 If you throw away our four olds, well, what will, what will fill that void?

00:53:41.260 And I think the answer is almost always something worse.

00:53:44.400 Dr. James, let me give you the last word, because if you had to sum up the state of

00:53:48.980 things, what would you say?

00:53:51.000 Well, I mean, what I would like to actually say at the moment is, is something very close

00:53:56.080 to what you were just saying a second ago.

00:53:57.720 And I think people don't understand this well enough.

00:54:01.120 We don't understand Marxism and Marxist thought well enough.

00:54:04.580 And this is ultimately, you know, again, that Gnostic and Hermetic ancient religion coming 1.00

00:54:10.900 up in the modern era.

00:54:12.080 But what that is, is when we hear that, you know, we all know with Marx that what he wanted

00:54:15.940 to do was seize the means of production.

00:54:17.840 That's the saying, right?

00:54:18.760 We're going to seize the means of production.

00:54:20.860 And everybody just assumes the surface level answer, the means of production of what?

00:54:26.000 And we think, obviously, well, the factories, somebody with their hammer and somebody with their

00:54:32.200 sickle, so the factories and the farms are going to seize the means of production of steel

00:54:35.680 and grain as Mao had it right before the Great Leap Forward that killed 55 million people

00:54:41.100 because it was so disastrous.

00:54:43.240 But no, in fact, this is not correct.

00:54:45.540 The goal in Marxism was never to seize the means of production of material goods.

00:54:53.320 Those are merely the proxy.

00:54:54.920 Marx believed that material goods shape your reality, shape who you are as a human being.

00:54:59.560 Material production defines who you are and your access to material goods and your standing

00:55:06.560 in society defines who you are as a human being.

00:55:09.280 So what they were actually seeking to seize the means of production of is man.

00:55:14.360 They wanted to seize the means of the production of man, to make man into social man or socialist

00:55:19.420 man.

00:55:20.480 The Soviets called it new Soviet man.

00:55:22.920 The goal was always to seize power over the minds and hearts of human beings so that you

00:55:29.120 could transform them in society, in the world to conform to Marxist ideology, to Marxist theory,

00:55:35.920 which is a cult religion.

00:55:37.980 And so when you realize that this is in, you know, grand scale eugenics program, if you're 0.81

00:55:45.620 talking about controlling for the benefit, the greater good, the benefit of mankind, the production

00:55:50.640 of man, you're talking about a eugenics program, you can see why it's so horrible. 0.95

00:55:54.740 But you can also understand that what woke is doing is trying to see it no longer believes

00:55:59.260 that economic conditions are what produces man.

00:56:02.580 It's cultural conditions produce man.

00:56:04.260 And so if you can seize the cultural conditions and the production of culture, then you can actually

00:56:11.020 produce new kinds of human beings.

00:56:12.860 And this, I think, reifies, it becomes quite physically real, manifest with the transgender 1.00

00:56:19.480 phenomenon.

00:56:20.920 But this goes all the way back to the same hermetic concept, that if you can seize production of

00:56:27.780 humankind, then you can bring humankind back to his spiritual fulfillment.

00:56:33.360 And I think that this is why this Marxist thought has always been a religion and a cult religion,

00:56:38.960 as a matter of fact, and that I don't think it's comprehensible unless we understand it

00:56:43.120 this way.

00:56:44.280 But, you know, as a final thought, as since that's what you asked for, I would I would

00:56:48.720 like people to look around the world at what's happening around them, whether it's with the

00:56:53.180 transition, whether it's with the critical race theory, whether it's Marxism, it doesn't

00:56:57.660 matter.

00:56:58.000 But it's sustainability with the with the environmental stuff and ask themselves, in what

00:57:03.020 way does this look like they are seizing the production of man, that they are transforming

00:57:08.060 how human beings understand themselves and their role in the world.

00:57:12.180 And if we start to think about it that way, it actually starts to make sense in a very perverse

00:57:17.280 and dark way.

00:57:18.100 And we start to understand that it is these ancient dark religions, which is kind of where 1.00

00:57:22.780 we started this conversation.

00:57:26.700 Where's the state of the world?

00:57:28.180 It's that human beings in the West are waking up to this very quickly.

00:57:31.920 I just returned from the from from Brussels.

00:57:34.900 I was invited to speak at the EU Parliament about this.

00:57:38.380 Europe is trying to figure out how to stop the woke before it takes over Europe as well.

00:57:44.400 And so I was invited to speak there.

00:57:46.900 Americans, they admitted, and I see as well, have woken up very quickly.

00:57:51.500 Canadians are a bit lost, unfortunately.

00:57:54.200 But at the same time, people are becoming quite aghast with with what they're seeing.

00:57:58.800 They're seeing Chris Elston get assaulted in Vancouver with the police laughing at him while

00:58:03.540 he's literally being punched in the face by a transgender activist.

00:58:07.680 There are people who still agree with this and think he had it coming, which is horrific.

00:58:14.000 But at the same time, these are the kinds of things that wake people up.

00:58:17.020 So I'm I think the state of the world is that we are we are actually approaching a pivot

00:58:21.240 in the West where people, I don't think, believe these people anymore.

00:58:28.520 And I think the number of people who don't believe them is increasing very rapidly,

00:58:32.060 which will create a very interesting to put it mildly next 12 to 18 months.

00:58:37.880 I expect that they will the left will respond by becoming increasingly dangerous and overt

00:58:43.800 because for them, this is religion.

00:58:47.060 This is this is everything the only way to achieve the true and right end of history in

00:58:54.180 which utopia descends upon us.

00:58:56.060 The kingdom of God arrives on Earth is for them to get 100 percent of their way all the 0.98

00:59:01.180 time.

00:59:01.700 But at the same time, they've lost their very rapidly losing the grip over larger and larger

00:59:07.180 numbers of people who are increasingly horrified by what they're seeing happen around them.

00:59:13.600 Well, I hope you're right.

00:59:15.620 I don't think I'm as optimistic as you, but maybe that's because I'm in Canada and you're

00:59:20.060 in the United States.

00:59:21.560 What a pleasure to spend the last hour with you.

00:59:23.480 Thank you very much.

00:59:24.200 And thanks for listening to me brainstorm in real time.

00:59:27.460 But it is helping me clarify certain things.

00:59:31.200 And I look forward to our next conversation.

00:59:33.440 Our guest has been Dr. James Lindsay.

00:59:35.680 You can see his writing at NewDiscourses.com.

00:59:38.380 Great to have you with us.

00:59:39.700 Thanks very much.

00:59:41.200 Yeah, my pleasure.

00:59:42.640 All right.

00:59:43.120 There you have it.

00:59:44.040 Well, that's our show for today.

00:59:45.620 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,

00:59:49.640 good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:59:52.060 Well, thank you.

00:59:56.080 We'll be right back.

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Rebel News Podcast - April 05, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Is wokeness a cult？ The alarming rise of the culture of death： An interview with Dr James Lindsay

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