Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Joe Biden returns to America to talk about World War Three — and to brag about how brave he is

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Big show today. I want to talk about Joe Biden's atrocious speech yesterday,

00:00:06.040 sort of a State of the Union speech about World War III. I was not consoled. I was not comforted.

00:00:11.820 I was not given confidence by it. I think it was a disaster. Then we'll have a change of pace and

00:00:16.440 talk to Robert Krejcik, a reporter on the scene at Tamara Leach's trial in Ottawa. That, on the

00:00:21.660 other hand, is going well. We'll talk to him. That's ahead. But first, let me invite you to

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00:00:56.080 Tonight, Joe Biden returns to America to talk about World War III and to ask for more money

00:01:03.660 for Ukraine. It's October 20th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:10.920 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:22.940 I'm astonished by Joe Biden's big speech last night. The world is on the brink of a world war.

00:01:28.440 It really feels that way to me. America's role in the world is being challenged in ways it hasn't

00:01:33.300 been in two generations. I saw this tweet today by a thoughtful technology entrepreneur and investor

00:01:40.560 and thinker. I'd even call him a philosopher. Balaji Srinivasan is his name. He loves America

00:01:45.620 very much. He's very successful. And I think he's a thinker. And this hit me hard about the state of

00:01:52.840 the world and America in particular. But doesn't this apply to Canada too? And I think maybe it takes

00:01:57.820 a foreign born guy like him to look at us in a way that we can't see. I'll just read a bit of it.

00:02:05.080 He says, let's be real. U.S. political leaders since the Gulf War are perhaps the worst leaders

00:02:11.480 in the history of the world. In 1991, they had inherited a hyper power that wins everywhere without

00:02:18.360 fighting. But by 2021, they produced a declining power that fights everywhere without winning.

00:02:25.620 Isn't that clever? It's 30 years of unmitigated domestic and international failure from San Francisco

00:02:30.960 to Syria, from financial crisis to coronavirus. With every inherited advantage, U.S. leaders

00:02:37.080 nevertheless produced historical collapses in life expectancy. And you can see he's got footnotes

00:02:41.960 later on. He proves all these things. Life inspections and manufacturing capacity in patriotic

00:02:47.540 loyalty and involvement in community. They also delivered concomitant rises in drug overdoses,

00:02:53.320 out-of-wedlock births, and homeless encampments. And he goes on making the case at length. And I

00:03:01.560 couldn't help but think of the Roman Empire collapsing. And it was probably really fun living in Rome right

00:03:07.860 until those last days. There's some similarities. I mean, there are millions of migrants crossing the

00:03:13.460 border into the U.S. with no impediment. Most are probably just economic migrants, of course. But how many

00:03:19.340 are, I don't know, Iranian agents like Hamas just walking in? I mean, do you doubt that some of them are? 1.00

00:03:26.920 I hope and pray that we don't one day have a violent event in America by people who just walked across 0.64

00:03:33.120 the border. Rome was destroyed from within as much as from without. It feels that way in America now,

00:03:38.560 too. There are times when eloquence from the president helps to give citizens a boost to their

00:03:46.260 spirits, to show them a plan, to help them understand things, to show the way to go. Reagan was famous for

00:03:51.880 that. And remember, he became president during the Cold War, when there were real risks to America. He took

00:03:57.960 over an economy in recession, when gas prices were skyrocketing and stagflation, when the Soviets were 1.00

00:04:04.660 on the march around the world. But he matched philosophy and eloquence with principles and a

00:04:09.720 strategy, and he rebuilt America. He took it to its best decade in memory, really. But words have to

00:04:17.600 have ideas behind them to be meaningful. Can you remember a single Barack Obama speech? He had little

00:04:23.400 turns a phrase, but the ideas underneath, not so much. So what did Joe Biden, Obama's vice president,

00:04:30.100 say yesterday? It was so weak, I've forgotten it already, really. Let me show you a few clips.

00:04:36.200 Take a look at this. More than 1,300 people slaughtered in Israel, including at least 32 American

00:04:42.740 citizens. Scores of innocents, from infants to the elderly grandparents, Israelis, Americans,

00:04:49.660 taken hostage. As I told the families of Americans being held captive by Hamas,

00:04:54.760 we're pursuing every avenue to bring their loved ones home. As president, there is no higher priority

00:05:00.720 for me than the safety of Americans held hostage. Really? Every avenue? The leaders of Hamas are

00:05:08.560 holed up in Qatar, a so-called U.S. ally. There's even a U.S. air base in Qatar. And yet,

00:05:15.500 when Secretary of State Antony Blinken went there, he didn't say hand over the hostages

00:05:20.800 from Gaza and kick out Hamas's leaders, or we'll put, I don't know, a no-fly zone over Qatar,

00:05:26.000 we'll declare you an enemy, we'll ban your banking from America, whatever. He could have pushed Qatar 0.99

00:05:31.820 around in a second if he wanted to, but instead he said, hey guys, we really appreciate you.

00:05:36.140 Thanks so much. What do you think Trump would have done if 32 Americans had been killed

00:05:41.600 and more were held hostage? What do you think that he would have done?

00:05:47.540 And that's it. That's all Biden had to say about that. Here's what he said next.

00:05:52.440 Like so many other, I'm heartbroken by the tragic loss of Palestinian life, including the explosion

00:05:58.480 at the hospital in Gaza, which was not done by the Israelis. We mourn every innocent life lost.

00:06:06.100 We can't ignore the humanity of innocent Palestinians who only want to live in peace

00:06:10.760 and have an opportunity. Okay, but do you know what Biden did?

00:06:16.180 He announced $100 million more for Gaza, which is run by Hamas. There's no other government there.

00:06:22.880 It's Hamas. Let me say that again. Joe Biden just gave another $100 million to the bad guys here. 0.78

00:06:31.160 And he says it's because Hamas promised they won't steal it and use it for more rockets. Seriously,

00:06:36.040 here's Deputy National Security Advisor John Feiner.

00:06:38.760 The president pledged $100 million in an aid package to Palestinian civilians,

00:06:43.580 innocent civilians in Gaza and the West Bank. How is the United States going to ensure

00:06:48.640 that none of that ends up in the hands of Hamas?

00:06:51.680 Well, as you know, this was a primary focus of the president's diplomacy yesterday, both in Israel,

00:06:58.740 where he met with the entire Israeli security establishment, but also in his phone conversations

00:07:03.720 with regional leaders, including President al-Sisi of Egypt. Getting assistance into Gaza

00:07:09.020 is a complicated undertaking. It involves essentially securing an understanding among Hamas fighters

00:07:15.340 who control the checkpoint on the other side of the border, among the government of Israel

00:07:20.040 and among the government of Egypt. And the agreement the president secured will enable these trucks to

00:07:24.680 flow as soon as the roadway can be repaired. But the president was also quite clear that if this

00:07:30.160 assistance goes in, it cannot be misappropriated, cannot be taken by Hamas fighters for their own

00:07:35.580 purposes. And so we're going to be watching that very closely. It has to get to Palestinian 1.00

00:07:38.900 civilians who need it.

00:07:40.160 It has to. But the question is, from what you just said, is the U.S. then essentially in a position

00:07:45.880 where it has to take the word of Hamas that it will not be taken? I mean, what other guarantee can 0.97

00:07:52.560 there be?

00:07:52.960 We believe there is an understanding now among all of the players who control that crossing,

00:07:59.680 the Rafah crossing in Egypt.

00:08:01.420 Oh, we believe there's an understanding. That's not a gap. That's not an error. That's

00:08:05.480 their line. Here's another American spokesman, State Department spokesman, Matt Miller.

00:08:11.200 I think the concern the Israeli government has, and they've said this publicly and they certainly

00:08:15.500 said it privately to us, is that any assistance that goes in will be diverted once it's inside Gaza.

00:08:20.400 That there is not an Israeli military force in Gaza. There's not a UN peacekeeping force in Gaza.

00:08:26.900 The people with guns inside Gaza are Hamas. And so Hamas may try to divert this assistance and keep

00:08:32.520 it from getting to the civilians who it is intended for. We think that's a legitimate concern. We've

00:08:38.540 made clear that this aid needs to go to innocent civilians and not Hamas. We're going to be watching

00:08:42.640 very carefully how it's delivered because we want to be sensitive to those concerns, which we share.

00:08:47.060 So Biden is really, really super mad at Hamas. So mad. Not mad enough to tell Qatar to hand over

00:08:54.720 the terrorist leaders. Not mad enough to send in special forces to extract the Americans.

00:08:59.980 Not mad that he's going to give them a tenth of a billion dollars. He's going to give them a hundred

00:09:05.840 million dollars more because they pinky swear they won't use it to attack Israel or America,

00:09:09.620 which they do and have done. But that's really all Biden had to say about Israel. Then he switched gears

00:09:16.040 and made a pitch for more money for Ukraine. I'm serious. He just came back from a massacre

00:09:21.200 in Israel by Hamas, which was organized in Qatar and directed by Iran. And he's done talking 0.64

00:09:27.760 about all of that pretty much. Here's what he said next.

00:09:29.880 You know, the assault on Israel echoes nearly 20 months of war, tragedy and brutality inflicted on

00:09:36.100 the people of Ukraine. People that were very badly hurt since Putin launched his all out invasion.

00:09:44.400 We've not forgotten the mass graves, the bodies found bearing signs of torture,

00:09:49.680 rape used as a weapon by the Russians and thousands and thousands of Ukrainian children

00:09:54.420 forcibly taken into Russia, stolen from their parents. It's sick.

00:09:59.360 Now, I'm not here to argue degrees of evil if this war is worse or better than that war,

00:10:05.080 if these victims are more victimized than those. Obviously, there's horrific losses in both wars.

00:10:10.540 But I think there is something unique and particular about the evil barbarity of what

00:10:14.420 happened in southern Israel two weeks ago. Live streaming murder and rape and hostage taking

00:10:19.840 acts of torture. Literally, no national army in history that I know of, not since, I suppose,

00:10:26.140 Genghis Khan. Not even the Soviets, not even the Nazis bragged about their cruelty to women and

00:10:33.340 children. I do know this. The White House would never, or at least has never, condemn Ukraine as to

00:10:41.780 how it fights back. When Ukraine sent missiles or drones into civilian areas, such as when they sent an

00:10:46.880 attack into downtown Moscow, which is a civilian area, there is no denunciation by America. There

00:10:53.080 was no call for a ceasefire applied to Ukraine only. In fact, the opposite, the U.S. often tells

00:11:00.340 Ukraine never ceasefire. If, coming out of this meeting, there's some sort of call for a ceasefire,

00:11:05.980 well, that's just going to be unacceptable because all that's going to do, Mike, is ratify

00:11:09.760 Russia's conquest to date. All that's going to do is give Mr. Putin more time to refit, retrain, 0.51

00:11:15.920 reman and try to plan for renewed offensives at a time of his choosing. So Israel has to stop 0.95

00:11:22.380 fighting back, but not Ukraine or really anyone else in history who's been attacked. And here's

00:11:26.740 our own Justin Trudeau on how Israel really has to stop fighting back. The protection of civilian life,

00:11:32.700 whether it's hostages being held by Hamas or civilians in Gaza or elsewhere, needs to be at the

00:11:40.160 forefront of everything we do, not just in the region, but as an international community. And that is

00:11:46.620 what our diplomatic efforts are focused on, whether we're speaking to the leaders of Israel or the

00:11:53.220 Palestinian Authority, whether it's my conversations with President Sisi or the Crown Prince of the Kingdom of

00:12:01.920 Saudi Arabia or any other leaders in the region, the King of Jordan. We are going to continue calling for peace and

00:12:09.560 calling for the protection of all civilian lives. So yeah, there are lots of different perspectives,

00:12:16.020 but there are shared fears and concerns amongst all parliamentarians and a commitment every single day

00:12:26.120 to keep everyone safe here in Canada and everywhere around the world.

00:12:30.840 Got it. So some liberals support Hamas terrorists. Some oppose Hamas terrorists. Some liberals support

00:12:37.920 Jew killing and some don't. And that's all fine. Vive la difference. Diversity makes us stronger. 0.99

00:12:43.960 He's for peace, don't you know? Except for when he isn't really for peace.

00:12:48.300 Canadians know that, yes, it is incredibly hard for Ukraine to continue to stand against a Russian aggression.

00:12:56.440 And let's be honest. It's hard for the democracies around the world who are there to support their citizens,

00:13:03.520 who are investing for the future, who are challenged with a challenging economy around the world to continue

00:13:09.460 to step up as Canada has with close to $9 billion in aid for Ukraine. But we will because the cost on

00:13:17.740 Canadians, on our lives, on our world will be so much greater if Putin wins this war that we will and have to stand,

00:13:26.260 every single day until Ukraine wins this war.

00:13:30.340 So by this point, I mean, the contrast actually between Israel and Ukraine is quite incredible.

00:13:37.380 But by this point in time, Biden in his speech was pretty much done talking about Israel.

00:13:40.340 He wanted to talk more about Ukraine. Russia is very bad, but not a word about Iran.

00:13:46.620 Not a word. There were two references to Iran in passing, but none hanging Hamas around their neck.

00:13:52.820 Here's one reference.

00:13:54.260 Meanwhile, Putin has turned to Iran and North Korea to buy attack drones and ammunition to

00:14:01.060 terrorize Ukrainian cities and people. 0.99

00:14:03.060 So Biden's man and a man at Iran for helping Russia, but not for helping Hamas.

00:14:07.460 Here's the other reference.

00:14:08.660 Iran is supporting Russia in Ukraine and it's supporting Hamas and other terrorist groups in the region

00:14:16.740 and will continue to hold them accountable, I might add.

00:14:19.140 That's it. That's it. That's all you have to say about Iran.

00:14:23.940 Iran is building a nuclear bomb right now that they say will be used against Israel.

00:14:28.980 Iran funds and arms Hamas in the Gaza Strip and Hezbollah in Lebanon.

00:14:34.180 This is all Iran's plan to destabilize the Abraham Accords, the realignment between Israel and the Sunni Arab countries. 0.99

00:14:40.020 This is Iran. Biden doesn't think so. In fact, he literally gave $6 billion to Iran just a few weeks ago

00:14:46.420 and another $100 million just promised to Iran's proxy. And that's it.

00:14:51.700 And then he just used the rest of his speech to ask for money.

00:14:54.420 He's asking for $100 billion, most of which is for Ukraine.

00:14:59.460 I don't think he's even awake, by the way. I don't think he even knows what he's reading off the teleprompter.

00:15:04.500 I mean, here he was just dozing off in front of reporters on Air Force One.

00:15:11.860 Virtually every

00:15:16.500 mass shooting, every

00:15:20.980 circumstance where a large number of people had been victimized and lost, I spoke with them.

00:15:28.180 I learned a long time ago what you've all learned in your life.

00:15:38.980 When someone's going through something that is beyond their comprehension,

00:15:44.020 that they've ever thought they've had to go through.

00:15:45.620 If they see someone who they think understands or maybe they've done something not the same,

00:15:53.700 but similar, it gives them some sense of hope.

00:15:59.220 And I always get criticized sometimes on my staff because when I go to these events,

00:16:02.660 I stay for three to four hours and answer all their questions.

00:16:05.700 But it matters. It matters a lot. And look, I'm talking, some of you have gone through a hell of a lot more than I've gone through.

00:16:16.660 And a lot more than other people have gone through. And you understand.

00:16:20.660 So it's just, it's just,

00:16:24.900 people are looking for just something to grant.

00:16:27.540 something that gives them some sense, sense of hope.

00:16:32.420 And that's, if I can do a little bit of that, then it's, you know, it's worth doing, not for me.

00:16:43.620 Oh my God. And then he had the chutzpah to say this.

00:16:46.980 American leadership is what holds the world together.

00:16:50.740 American alliances are what keep us, America, safe.

00:16:54.180 American values are what make us a partner that other nations want to work with.

00:16:59.300 To put all that at risk, if we walk away from Ukraine, if we turn our backs on Israel, 0.85

00:17:04.660 it's just not worth it.

00:17:06.900 Is that true?

00:17:08.900 Is America really leading the world? Is it really?

00:17:13.460 Economically, I don't, I don't think so. I think China is ascending. It's the largest economy now.

00:17:18.980 Militarily. I'm not sure if America's number one anymore. I don't know.

00:17:24.020 Is America respected around the world? Number one is America feared around the world. I don't think

00:17:30.340 you can say it is with a straight face. And that makes me very sad to report.

00:17:35.860 You know, I saw a funny old tweet from the late Norm Macdonald. You know, that comedian,

00:17:39.140 he passed away a few years ago, but his Twitter feed is still up. He said this seven years ago.

00:17:44.020 It was a joke. It was a joke. He said this. What terrifies me is if ISIS were to detonate 0.99

00:17:49.300 a nuclear device and kill 50 million Americans, imagine the backlash against peaceful Muslims. 0.87

00:17:55.300 That's a joke. That's pretty, pretty dry humor. Well,

00:17:59.060 Joe Biden said as much in his speech, but it wasn't a joke.

00:18:02.260 On October 7th, terror attacks have triggered deep scars and terrible memories in the Jewish community.

00:18:10.740 Today, Jewish families worried about being targeted in school, wearing symbols of their face walking 1.00

00:18:17.140 down the street, or going out about their daily lives. You know, I know many of you in the Muslim

00:18:24.260 American community, the Arab American community, the Palestinian American community, and so many others

00:18:29.540 are outraged and hearty saying to yourselves, here we go again with Islamophobia and distrust we saw

00:18:38.900 after 9-11. Well, I don't distrust my Muslim friends. In fact, I'm sort of counting on them, but I do 0.99

00:18:46.180 distrust thousands of Muslim extremists who are marching, chanting death to the Jews, waving the flags

00:18:52.420 of actual terrorist organizations like the Taliban or the Islamic State, Islamic Jihad. I'm not going to bore you

00:18:58.980 with any more Joe Biden's speech. It was immediately forgettable. It was just really another transactional

00:19:03.300 Washington speech, a budget speech, really. It was noteworthy for what it lacked, not for what it had.

00:19:08.340 No demand that Hamas release the hostages or face annihilation. No demand that Iran abandoned its schemes. 0.85

00:19:13.940 How could Biden say that after giving each of them money just recently? America is the best country that is,

00:19:21.860 the best country that has ever been. But that can be lost. That's not forever.

00:19:29.140 The Roman Empire lasted for centuries, but it fell. Nothing's forever.

00:19:36.660 Biden is presiding over the decline of America. I hate to say it. Balaji Sweeney Vassan is right.

00:19:40.340 And I fear that Biden is presiding over the fall of the wonderful, great, modern, global era of freedom,

00:19:48.020 peace and prosperity. Boy, I hope I'm wrong. But what do you think?

00:19:54.260 Stay with us for more from the trial of Tamara Leach.

00:19:56.900 Well, big show today. And I was really glad to go deep with Robert Krejci because I hadn't had a catch

00:20:08.740 up on the Tamara Leach trial in a while. We've been talking so much about, you know, World War Three,

00:20:14.100 really. And I'm becoming increasingly concerned for the Canadian front of that war. It's just nuts

00:20:20.900 to me that there are now protests in front of Jewish kindergartens in Toronto. Here's a clip from

00:20:30.420 the Miles Nadal JCC, which is not an Israeli embassy. It's nothing to do with Israel. It's like a YMCA,

00:20:37.860 but it's Jewish. You don't have to be Jewish to go there. It's in the heart of Toronto. There's a

00:20:41.140 kindergarten in there. There's exercise and meeting rooms. It's just a place. It's Jewish, but you don't 1.00

00:20:46.580 have to be. It's not like a synagogue. There's a kindergarten in there. There have been religious

00:20:52.180 services in there. Hamas protesters are outside chanting their death to the Jews chants at a

00:21:00.500 Jewish place in Toronto. Not an Israeli place, a Jewish place. Here's some more video.

00:21:08.660 That's what I'm worried about. Israel, I think and I hope, can take care of itself. 0.98

00:21:13.700 But here in Canada, who's taking care of us? On that note, I'll bid you a good weekend.

00:21:20.820 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home,

00:21:24.980 good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:21:31.060 Hello, my friends. Big show today. I want to talk about Joe Biden's atrocious speech yesterday,

00:21:36.900 sort of a State of the Union speech about World War III. I was not consoled. I was not comforted. I was not

00:21:43.140 given confidence by it. I think it was a disaster. Then we'll have a change of pace and talk to Robert

00:21:47.860 Krejcik, our reporter on the scene at Tamara Leach's trial in Ottawa. That, on the other hand,

00:21:52.900 is going well. We'll talk to him. That's ahead. But first, let me invite you to subscribe to what

00:21:57.620 we call Rebel News Plus. It's the video version of this podcast. Just go to rebelnewsplus.com,

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00:22:06.740 adds up for us. So, thanks for helping us out, because that's how we pay the bills,

00:22:10.420 because we don't get any money from Trudeau. I can guarantee you that. All right, here's today's show.

00:22:27.940 Well, we're interested in Israel because that is the center of the world in many ways. It's the bridge

00:22:33.860 between Europe, Asia, and Africa. It's the biblical land. Some people believe that in the book of

00:22:39.220 Revelations, the final battle will happen in Armageddon. There's actually a place called

00:22:44.020 Armageddon, Har Megiddo in Hebrew. You can visit it yourself. And look at this, how all the nations are 1.00

00:22:51.300 converging there. United States, Russia, China, Iran, Israel itself. I certainly hope that the end is not

00:22:58.980 near because I'm not done yet with the different things that I want to do.

00:23:04.660 Putting that aside, the world does go on. In the meantime, here in Canada, we care very much about

00:23:08.580 our civil liberties, and we care about the battle that happened a year and a half ago,

00:23:13.300 a peaceful battle, I must add, in the streets of Canada, where peaceful Canadians peacefully protested

00:23:18.660 against the government that was forcing them to get a jab of an experimental vaccine against their

00:23:23.460 wishes and punishing them if they didn't do so. Not only were they not allowed to fly in planes or

00:23:28.740 get on trains, but truck drivers were told they could no longer cross the border. Truck drivers,

00:23:34.020 I can't think of a more solitary profession than a truck driver, perhaps a lighthouse keeper. Imagine

00:23:39.140 telling them they cannot work without a jab. Well, it was just too much. And so truckers across the

00:23:44.260 country had a convoy, a freedom convoy, converging on Ottawa in a most Canadian manner. They were

00:23:50.580 honking their horns and, well, that's about it. But just their moral courage, and it broke the false

00:23:55.860 consciousness in Canada that everyone was fine with lockdowns and forced vaccines and losing your jobs

00:24:02.180 over it. Those truckers got the world's attention, perhaps for the first time. Canada was the center of

00:24:08.260 the world for a civil disobedience completely peaceful that in the end made Justin Trudeau

00:24:14.500 overplay his hand, invoke a form of martial law, seize bank accounts of his political enemies.

00:24:20.500 And if you look at the polling, that was the inflection point from that point onwards. The spell

00:24:26.660 that Justin Trudeau seemed to cast over Canadians was broken. I see a new poll today saying that amongst

00:24:32.500 millennials, Justin Trudeau is now in third place in the polls, something unthinkable,

00:24:39.300 a couple of years ago. And I believe it was the courage of the truckers. Well,

00:24:42.980 one woman who was a kind of, I call her spiritual leader, more a role model, a mascot is too demeaning

00:24:51.700 a word, a guide, a Sherpa, an encourager, the chief encourager of the convoy was a woman from

00:24:59.300 Medicine Hat Alberta named Tamara Leach, who would take to Facebook and make very heartfelt pleas to

00:25:04.660 them to keep the peace and to stay focused. Well, of course, the regime couldn't stand her. 0.99

00:25:09.940 They arrested her, held her without bail for 49 days. And now she's been on trial,

00:25:16.340 well, it's been about a month now she's been on trial, a trial that is clearly political in its

00:25:22.260 nature. But Rebel News, we cover that news just like we covered the trucker convoy.

00:25:28.180 Not just covering it, we published Tamara Leach's bestselling autobiography called Hold the Line.

00:25:33.700 I recommend it to you if you haven't yet read it. Even if you think you know all there is

00:25:37.700 to know about Tamara Leach, you will learn much more about her. I thought I know her pretty closely. 0.89

00:25:42.180 I learned so much and my admiration for her was deepened by reading the book.

00:25:46.260 And our friends at the Democracy Fund have crowdfunded one of the best criminal lawyers around

00:25:52.340 to represent her in this case. I've had the chance to get to know the lawyer Lawrence Greenspawn a

00:25:58.980 little bit, talking to him one-on-one and visited with him briefly when I was last in Ottawa. I admire

00:26:05.460 his legal brains and his patience and I think he's doing an excellent job. But that's me sitting here

00:26:10.820 in Toronto. The trial is actually happening every day in Ottawa and I'm delighted to say

00:26:15.700 that the newest rebel, Robert Krejcik, is attending this trial every day in person and he is live

00:26:22.900 tweeting the ins and outs of it. And he joins us now live outside the courthouse via Skype to give us

00:26:30.180 the latest. Robert, it's great to see you again. I can't tell you how glad I am that you are there every

00:26:35.140 day covering it, not just with your written stories, but literally minute by minute. So on behalf of

00:26:41.300 rebels across the country, thanks for doing that. Okay, thanks for the kind words. It's a labor of

00:26:46.820 love. Well, that's great. And I know you've really gotten to know the details of the case and every

00:26:52.980 day you talk to the lawyer, Lawrence Greenspawn, I think you've really got a good grasp of the case

00:26:59.140 and how it's going. Can you give us a report? I think today is technically day 20. And of course,

00:27:05.780 that's just counting weekdays. So this thing's been going on for more than a month. How's it going?

00:27:13.140 Day 21, technically. I actually put out a misinformation. I put 20. I get confused with

00:27:16.980 the days sometimes. Oh yeah. But as far as how it's going, it's very similar to what I was

00:27:20.900 saying last time I joined you on your show in that as far as I'm concerned, the prosecution is still

00:27:26.260 really struggling to make its case because they've got this impossible task of saying that

00:27:30.180 two plus two is four. It's very hard to prove these claims of mischief, obstruction of police,

00:27:35.540 intimidation, when there's no real specific instance that they're pointing to where Tamara

00:27:40.340 Leach did this at this time, at this location, let me prove it to you. Or Chris Barber did this

00:27:45.220 obstruction or this intimidation at this time, at this location, and let me prove it to you. It's very

00:27:49.700 difficult for them. Yeah, you know, I was only there for one day and frankly, I didn't have the

00:27:55.300 patience to stay any longer. I had thought I would cover more of this trial. And I salute your

00:27:59.700 patience, Robert. But when I was there, I listened to a witness for the entire day who very early in

00:28:05.540 his testimony admitted he had never met Tamara Leach, never spoke with Tamara Leach, never seen her,

00:28:10.180 emailed, phoned, met nothing, had no first-hand information, which is what a witness is called to

00:28:17.140 do. A witness is called to say, I saw this, I heard this, I read this, I took a photo, I took a video,

00:28:22.420 here's the letter. And I sat there for a whole day as a witness who was some city bureaucrat said,

00:28:28.500 no, I don't have any information, but let me tell you how I felt about the whole thing. And I thought,

00:28:33.460 I don't need to listen to an amateur pundit whine about, you know, horn honking for a day. What's that

00:28:41.220 got to do with the guilt or innocence of Tamara Leach? So that's why I just, I didn't go back. Forgive me,

00:28:46.580 Robert, I was planning on being there with you. How has it been since, for example, tell us who was,

00:28:51.940 who was on the witness stand today? Was there anyone who had first-hand knowledge of anything

00:28:56.340 Tamara Leach did? Okay. Okay. Just before I get to today, you actually had the good fortune of

00:29:01.060 probably having the most unbearable witness. I think it was Serge Arpin. So you took the heaviest

00:29:06.100 load on that day. That guy was, again, if you were to do a Google image search of

00:29:11.380 city bureaucrat drone, that's the guy that would pop up. He is beyond parody. He is

00:29:16.820 beyond caricature, the way he looks, the way he speaks, the things he says. But anyway,

00:29:20.820 here's the theme. As far as you said, he had no direct communication with either of the defendants.

00:29:26.180 That's true for basically all of the witnesses, except the most recent one who had some direct

00:29:32.420 communication via text message with Chris Barber in the capacity of her job as a police liaison

00:29:38.420 officer liaising with Chris Barber. But I'll give you a little breakdown of the past week and a bit.

00:29:43.300 So the most recent slate of witnesses are a bunch of Ottawa residents who are testifying to what they

00:29:49.140 claim are harms that befell them as a function of the convoy. And they're saying that, you know,

00:29:54.500 they had sleepless nights. They couldn't concentrate at work. They were obstructed from enjoying and

00:30:00.100 partaking in their property, couldn't have full access to their vehicles and so forth. So this is

00:30:04.740 basically how the prosecution is seeking to demonstrate how certain people were intimidated

00:30:10.580 by this demonstration and trying to lay it at the feet of Chris Barber and Tamara Leach.

00:30:15.540 I'll share one noteworthy one with you, which I think you remarked on on Twitter,

00:30:19.220 which is this guy. He's a federal worker, like most of the witnesses are. And he was testifying

00:30:25.300 about how he literally said this, that he cried with his partner. That's the word he used,

00:30:29.460 his partner as a function of the sleepless nights, the honking, the horns. And he was basically being

00:30:37.220 traumatic about the harms that befell him. He said he was bullied as a kid. He was intimidated

00:30:40.580 by these protesters who sort of jeered at him or mocked him for wearing a mask outside. And here's

00:30:46.500 one thing that jumped out at me, which was so interesting. And this will relate to the way you

00:30:51.540 and I and many in the audience, I think, would feel, to use that word, whoever joined in the Freedom

00:30:57.620 Convoy. He said that he partook in this counter demonstration where he was engaging in civil

00:31:02.420 disobedience with like-minded people who, in my view, support the COVID-19 enterprise.

00:31:07.380 And he was obstructing traffic. The goal of this counter demonstration was to reduce the flow of

00:31:12.020 people supporting the convoy, to reduce the number of supporters that could participate in the peaceful

00:31:16.900 demonstration in downtown. And he described it, these are quotes, it was a meaningful experience

00:31:21.620 for him amid what he described as a god-awful time, and that he got to sort of commune,

00:31:27.780 I'm using that word, with like-minded people who were sharing stories of how they were victimized

00:31:33.460 by the Freedom Convoy. And that's how a lot of us would describe the Freedom Convoy itself. It was this

00:31:38.020 beacon of light, this inspiring, reinvigorating moment at a time of great despondency, of great despair,

00:31:43.300 because we saw how dark the government could be. So that was a really interesting contrast,

00:31:47.380 despite the fact that this guy is on the side of an issue that we think is awful.

00:31:51.860 You know, there is a place for that kind of testimony, believe it or not, and that's if,

00:31:57.380 God forbid, Tamara Leach is convicted, then there's something called a witness, or sorry, 0.70

00:32:02.100 a victim impact statement. So that's typical across Canada. If a crime is committed,

00:32:09.140 and that's tested, you know, what are the facts? What is the law? Did you commit the crime?

00:32:13.780 And then the judge, right before the sentence, any victim can say, well, I would like to make

00:32:18.900 a statement, your honor, because the guilt is already done. And now the judge is sort of calibrating,

00:32:24.820 well, is this a good guy? Do we have letters of recommendation and letters of reference that he's

00:32:28.820 actually first-time criminal? He's great in the community. And then there's letters of aggravation,

00:32:33.940 you know, he made me feel sad. So there is a place for these kind of therapy sessions that

00:32:39.700 you're talking about. But I don't think that place is before a guilt is found and going on at such

00:32:47.060 length. If someone wants therapy, because they heard some horn honking, I don't think a criminal

00:32:52.500 trial of Tamara Leach is the place for it. But what you described, there was a guy having his own

00:32:58.260 blockade, his own blocking traffic moment. I'm not sure what any of that has to do with Tamara

00:33:03.300 Leach, though. And she's got to be rolling her eyes thinking, why do I have to basically

00:33:08.660 give up a month of my life to sit here listening to people who have nothing to say on my guilt or

00:33:14.420 innocence? Like, put your, I mean, our charter, section 11b, if I'm going from memory, says you

00:33:19.540 have the right to a speedy trial, and it's got to be a fair trial. And having every single political

00:33:25.860 activist in the city coming to say, I hate her! Well, I've never met her, but I hate her because I hate 0.98

00:33:30.980 those horns! I think that's, as Woody Allen would say, a travesty of a mockery of a sham.

00:33:36.340 Like, at what point in time does this judge take control of her courtroom? Or, let me throw this

00:33:41.700 at you, is the judge giving the prosecution a lot of leeway? Because maybe she's going to acquit, 0.89

00:33:50.420 and she doesn't want to give the prosecution anything to hang their coat on for an appeal.

00:33:56.660 Because I think it's clear that the case against Tamara Leach will not be upheld.

00:34:01.300 I think the judge is going to acquit. So I think maybe the reason she's tolerating such BS

00:34:07.780 is so that there's nothing at all the prosecution can point to if they try and appeal an acquittal.

00:34:15.460 That's my speculative theory. What do you think?

00:34:18.500 Entirely sure. Speculation, you're reminding me of so many things. So,

00:34:21.620 Lawrence Greenspawn, again, the defense attorney for Tamara Leach, said basically what you said with

00:34:26.260 respect to these testimonies that we're emoting and a lot of speaking about feelings, rather than

00:34:32.020 testimonies to this happened at this place at this time. That guy that you mentioned that you

00:34:36.820 listened to, that witness, that Serge Arpin guy, former chief of staff, that bureaucrat drone,

00:34:41.700 literally said, this is a quote, I felt uncomfortable walking around the Freedom Convoy demonstration.

00:34:47.380 That's not a statement of fact in the regard of, oh, I saw this thing happen or this happened to me.

00:34:53.700 That's like how I felt about things. And the judge herself said, I think in week two,

00:34:57.940 this is almost an exact quote, that feelings are not substitutes for findings of fact. So,

00:35:03.620 Lawrence Greenspawn also said that these amount to victim impact statements and they're premature

00:35:08.740 because victim impact statements are meant to be delivered at the conclusion of a trial

00:35:13.140 in the event of a determination of guilt to help the judge or jury determine the consequences,

00:35:20.980 whatever the punishment or sentence will be. Now, um, as far as, um,

00:35:28.740 as, um, as far as your speculation of the acquittal and why the judge is being very

00:35:33.780 free in terms of allowing this testimony that is so irrelevant and unspecific,

00:35:37.780 I can't read her mind, but I can tell you objectively through lawyers that I've spoken to

00:35:42.740 have been fortunate enough to coach me up as a lay person as to what the impact of this can be,

00:35:47.140 is that allowing witnesses and evidence to be entered that is irrelevant,

00:35:53.460 removes a potential ground upon which the prosecution can submit an appeal in the event

00:35:59.940 that not guilty verdicts are rendered for the charges against the two defendants. In other words,

00:36:05.140 if the judge is going to come in and say, you know what, this is irrelevant. We don't care about

00:36:09.300 your feelings. We want good, uh, relevant, germane, apropos testimony and evidence.

00:36:15.460 The crown could appeal that decision at the end of the trial and contested. So you're right.

00:36:22.020 Pragmatically, the judge is potentially, the judge is removing that deliberately or otherwise.

00:36:26.980 Yeah. Very interesting. I want to talk about one more witness who was there this week.

00:36:31.540 And, um, I w I might say she's, uh, a famous witness, at least famous in the 2023 definition

00:36:39.140 of that word. She's sort of Instagram famous. She's sort of an Instagram influencer. She's a young

00:36:43.860 woman. Her name is Zexy Lee, if I'm pronouncing that correctly. Uh, she works for the government as 1.00

00:36:50.580 a bureaucrat. She lives downtown and she was one of the very first witnesses at the liberal run 1.00

00:36:57.060 public inquiry into the martial law project. And I, I covered, I was there, uh, for that, uh,

00:37:06.260 for part of that. And she had this very emotive, it felt like she was doing an Instagram video,

00:37:12.980 dear diary. And these people hurt my feelings. And I felt like it was just what you're talking

00:37:17.620 about. A lot of emotion and therapy. And again, there might be a place for that. I don't think

00:37:20.740 a public inquiry is a place. And I definitely don't think a criminal trial is a place. She is also a,

00:37:25.540 uh, an influencer of fortune. She, she sees an opportunity and she's going for it. She is the

00:37:31.620 lead plaintiff in a proposed class action suit for hundreds of millions of dollars against these

00:37:37.380 truckers. Like she wants to get paid as any young influencer dreams that they can leave their boring 1.00

00:37:43.140 job and just be an influencer. So she has this lawsuit against all the truckers for millions of 1.00

00:37:49.140 dollars. And so she is doing this rounds of the media and they ask her softball questions. And she

00:37:55.780 was a very gentle, uh, witness in the public inquiry, but, and I think she made a mistake here, Robert,

00:38:04.980 she went to a real trial and she was cross-examined by a real lawyer, not a liberal, gentle lawyer,

00:38:11.540 not a CBC, you know, those butterfly kisses that they call interviews. Tell us a little bit, because

00:38:18.420 I was following it through Twitter, how Zexy Lee crumbled under cross-examination. And I, I wasn't

00:38:26.660 there. So you can tell me, I presume that Lawrence Greenspan, the lawyer was polite, but firm, not mean,

00:38:33.300 not tough, just really methodical. Cause I understand that at the end of it, she left the

00:38:39.540 courthouse crying. And I have my own theory about that. Tell us about Zexy Lee.

00:38:44.660 Yeah. Well, I described her as a sort of celebrity activist witness in terms of celebrity. She was 0.98

00:38:49.380 receiving fawning news media attention. We saw outlets like the CBC write up these fawning articles

00:38:55.540 about her. Like here's a profile of the woman that got the injunction and her heroic attempts to

00:39:00.500 end this evil anti-vaxxer, anti-science convoy of right wing, you know, supremacists or whatever

00:39:06.340 nonsense terminology they wanted to use to denigrate Canadians that oppose the COVID-19 enterprise.

00:39:12.260 She was also deliberately using terms like occupation. Now, was she coached into doing that? Is she just

00:39:18.340 programmed by CBC to use this sort of martial language to describe the, to describe the convoy? She

00:39:24.180 also used words like intimidation, said that she had been sort of intimidated by protesters that

00:39:28.420 jeered at her for wearing a mask. And you're right. The metaphor that I would use is it's very

00:39:33.140 different to get in the ring against an opponent, as opposed to hitting a punching bag, right?

00:39:37.220 So the, the, uh, this inquiry that she attended or an interview with the outlet, like a CBC is

00:39:43.700 very different from being in a trial where being cross-examined by a lawyer, challenging your

00:39:48.020 premises, challenging the veracity or believability, credibility of your claims. So, you know,

00:39:54.100 without going into boring specifics, some of the things she said were sort of

00:39:57.060 like contradictory. She said that she was hit by a car or, uh, a truck had backed into her

00:40:01.380 maliciously, deliberately, but then conceded that she'd actually gotten out of the way of

00:40:05.300 that vehicle. It didn't really hit her. Um, she didn't produce, uh, video evidence of these things

00:40:10.180 that she had claimed happened to her. I didn't see the crying. I heard that it happened. Um, but yeah,

00:40:15.220 it was a very sort of emotive thing. And again, like in terms of physical attributes, you know,

00:40:19.380 she's young, she's good looking. So she's got that sort of appeal to her in a very superficial way

00:40:24.180 to be this sort of latest news media hype creation. And I'll get on my, uh, commentary

00:40:30.180 soapbox for a moment. We do live in a time where the institutions of power manufacture and fetishize 0.98

00:40:35.780 and commodify victimhood real or imagined, or in this case manufactured. So she sees herself as a

00:40:41.380 beneficiary of that in terms of celebrity status. And as you mentioned it, she's the lead plaintiff in a 0.82

00:40:46.500 class action lawsuit seeking $290 million from Tamara Leach, Chris Barber, and other people 0.74

00:40:53.620 that are going to be defendants in that lawsuit. Yeah. She wants to get paid. I mean, here's an

00:40:58.020 example. And I read this in the CBC story. And the reason I cite the CBC is because they're so

00:41:03.780 anti-trucker and so pro-Zexy Lee. If they're reporting it, I know that that's the best spin from 1.00

00:41:09.780 Lexi, Zexy Lee's point of view. They, they said that one of the exchanges was, Zexy Lee said,

00:41:15.540 oh, and the honking, it never stopped. And I had nightmares and I was bracing for it.

00:41:19.540 But on cross-examination, she admitted it stopped when the, the injunction came in.

00:41:24.260 And I think it was like a 10 day period, not a single horn was honked. And then,

00:41:28.900 you know, one day, 10 days later, like just between her BS spin that the CBC had run uncritically for a

00:41:36.180 year and a half. And finally, when she was pressed for details, when did this happen? Where did this

00:41:40.900 happen? Did you see this for yourself? A lot of things that she said, she witnessed,

00:41:45.140 she admitted, and you correct me if I'm getting this wrong. She admitted under oath. Well,

00:41:49.380 she hadn't seen them. She had just heard about them. And oh yeah, I wasn't hit with the car.

00:41:55.220 I might've been had, had it come from, like just so many things she said turned out not to be true.

00:42:02.980 I got to think that's going to hurt her civil claim for 300 million bucks. But here's what I

00:42:07.540 think made her cry. You tell me if I'm wrong. I mean, a lot of the things that Lawrence Greenspan

00:42:13.460 poked a hole in in cross-examination, but I know from, I used to act as a lawyer. I haven't been in

00:42:19.780 a lawyer for years, a practicing lawyer. When a witness is giving testimony, no one can

00:42:24.740 coach them. They got to give the testimony and not get any input into what they're saying until it's

00:42:31.620 over. Not even from their own lawyer. So if let's say there's a lunch break, let's say someone's on

00:42:35.940 the witness stand all morning and then there's a lunch break. They can't huddle with the lawyers.

00:42:40.580 How's it going? Am I doing okay? You can't because that would, that would alter what you're saying.

00:42:47.140 And Zexy Lee was saying so many awful things. She was blowing it because Lawrence Greenspan was

00:42:52.740 poking holes in it. But the lawyer of fortune who's seeking the $300 million payout, she,

00:42:58.420 he was there. Yeah. And they met and they talked. And Zexy Lee said they talked for 10 minutes.

00:43:07.380 And Lawrence Greenspan objected to that. She said, oh no, no, we were just saying,

00:43:10.340 where would we go for lunch? For 10 minutes. That's a 10 minute conversation, is it? And, and there were

00:43:15.460 questions about would her testimony even be allowed and just her conduct. My theory is she 1.00

00:43:21.300 left crying because she had never had a tough question before. And she realized her antics

00:43:29.220 have seriously jeopardized the chances of success in her $3 million get rich quick scheme. That's my

00:43:37.380 theory from here in Toronto. You're on the ground in Ottawa. What do you think?

00:43:40.020 Well, like you said, Paul Champ, who is the lead attorney representing her class action lawsuit,

00:43:45.060 he was in attendance on that day of her testimony. And clearly he has a vested interest too. I don't

00:43:50.340 know what his cut would be of whatever damages they might procure through that lawsuit, assuming

00:43:55.220 they're somewhat or fully successful, but he's got a lot riding on the line in terms of his ongoing

00:44:00.660 investment in that lawsuit and his desire to see it turn out lucratively. So he was there in attendance.

00:44:06.740 They spoke. Did she cry over that? Let's presume so. Because again, she's got a lot on the line

00:44:11.060 potentially as well. There's actually one thing I want to sort of interject with something that

00:44:16.900 happened today, which I think is very interesting. And you can probably share some insights in given

00:44:21.140 your legal pedigree. Today's actually been a very unusual day. We've mostly been out of the courtroom

00:44:26.100 while the prosecution and defense attorneys sort of informally seek to resolve this ongoing

00:44:31.620 disclosure issue. Now, what is the disclosure issue? There are these emails that came to the

00:44:37.060 attention either through disclosure or some other means to Diane Magus, who is the defense attorney for

00:44:42.260 Chris Barber. And she took a moment today during proceedings to give specific instances of email.

00:44:49.460 So this person emailed that person and this portion, this paragraph was redacted. That's the word

00:44:54.100 she's redacted. And she wants those emails to be fully disclosed. She thinks that the information

00:45:00.260 that was redacted in the emails that she has obtained. And these emails are from the PLT. The

00:45:05.220 PLT is the acronym for police liaison teams. PLTs are the sort of division of the Ottawa police service

00:45:11.620 that liaise with relevant stakeholders in the context of special events. Let's say there's a bunch of

00:45:18.340 foreign officials coming into Ottawa and they've got to organize security and close off certain roads.

00:45:22.900 The PLTs will coordinate with their security staff. Let's say there's a freedom convoy in downtown.

00:45:28.100 The PLT will coordinate with the events organizers to ensure public safety in the interest of

00:45:33.300 the Ottawa police service's stated mission. Okay. So the PLT had a bunch of emails corresponding

00:45:38.980 between themselves and others germane to this trial. And Diane Magus, again, wants those emails 0.98

00:45:45.140 fully disclosed, no redactions. And the witness that was going to testify today, she's a police officer

00:45:51.220 with the PLT. Her name is Nicole Bache. And she didn't testify at all because the defense does

00:45:59.220 not want to proceed with cross-examination until they have full disclosure of these emails. Their

00:46:03.780 position is that they cannot fully prepare or plan or arrange their cross-examination strategy without

00:46:11.380 full awareness of what those emails entail. Now, here's where it gets interesting. The prosecution is

00:46:16.100 contesting those requests to remove the redactions. And there were several grounds provided for their

00:46:24.180 justification to keep those redactions redacted. And one of them was executive privilege. And another

00:46:29.460 one, and this is where I think you can elaborate here as a lawyer, one was solicitor privilege. So

00:46:34.100 to give a specific here, the Ottawa police service has a legal department. They got Ottawa police legal

00:46:40.020 counsel, I think is their title. And Tim Radcliffe, who's the lead prosecutor,

00:46:45.060 at one point during today's proceedings had to say to the judge, look, I can't proceed on this

00:46:49.540 disclosure dispute until I communicate with Ottawa police services legal team. He wanted their green

00:46:55.540 light or red light or whatever before he could decide what to disclose. So what's so interesting is

00:46:59.940 that you've got a defense team, two defendants who want information from the Ottawa police service,

00:47:06.500 but the Ottawa police service refuses to disclose it because their legal team is claiming that this

00:47:12.020 stuff is somehow privileged on an executive level, like reveal sources and methods or compromise

00:47:17.140 existing investigations or reveal stuff to the public that we don't want revealed. So that,

00:47:22.260 I don't know, I found that very interesting.

00:47:23.620 Yeah, that is interesting. And I was reading, I think it was your coverage today,

00:47:28.340 that one of the cops wiped their phone clean and, quote, lost their notes. Well,

00:47:34.900 isn't that convenient how these things just get wiped clean? You know, I've had cell phones for

00:47:39.380 more than a decade. For 20 years, I've had a cell phone. I've never had my cell phone wiped

00:47:44.180 clean. Like that's just, that's just not something that happens. Oh, I dropped it.

00:47:47.780 It was wiped clean. And, and even if your cell phone is lost, it's all backed up to the cloud.

00:47:53.780 Like it's, I've never heard of such an excuse before. You know, one of the, one of the possible

00:47:58.260 outcomes, I'm just daydreaming. I was not there for this. I'm guessing it was called a voir dire where

00:48:03.620 the lawyers were going back and forth with the, I'm, uh, one of the outcomes could be that the

00:48:07.940 judge herself reads these sensitive passages and the judge herself sees them and then decides

00:48:16.100 whether or not they should be, uh, released. Um, but I tell you, the whole idea of disclosure

00:48:24.420 is you're up against the unlimited resources of the state. They have a duty to turn over facts that

00:48:30.340 exculpate you, not just inculpate you. Of course, the police are going to disclose things that make

00:48:36.180 the defendants look bad. That's easy. You don't have to coach them to do that, but they've got to

00:48:41.860 release the things that might make the government look bad. And let me tell you a little anecdote

00:48:46.740 about this judge, Robert. I don't know this judge personally, but I, I was Googling her. And if I recall,

00:48:53.620 she was the judge for the case of vice Admiral Mark Norman, the, uh, really a senior brass in the

00:49:00.900 military who was charged with some trumped up charge by Trudeau because he politically rubbed

00:49:07.060 Trudeau the wrong way. And they put this great patriot on trial for months. But then at the last

00:49:12.740 moment, there was a late disclosure from the, by the government that absolutely nuked their case

00:49:18.900 against him. He was completely vindicated. It was a huge embarrassment for Trudeau. And this was the

00:49:25.380 same judge, Robert. And so I've got to think just as a human, not even as a former lawyer or political

00:49:32.500 person, just as a human, if you're a judge who has this enormously politically charged case, and you see

00:49:40.260 that the prosecutions were playing games with disclosure, and when they finally came clean,

00:49:45.460 it resulted in an immediate acquittal. I think this is the perfect judge for Tamara Leach's case.

00:49:53.140 If you've got the same police playing the same games, refusing to disclose things, all these

00:49:59.220 shenanigans. Look, I don't want to get too far ahead of things, but I have high hopes based on the,

00:50:06.100 the weirdness of the witnesses, the sketchy conduct of the cops and the prosecutors.

00:50:12.820 Boy, I'm getting a good feeling about this trial. I mean, listen, what do I know? What do I know?

00:50:17.940 But it's, it doesn't seem to be going poorly is what I'm saying.

00:50:22.340 I want to share one anecdote from today's proceedings that corroborate your speculation

00:50:26.980 about the nature of this judge. So you mentioned the wiped phone. That was the term used by the police

00:50:32.660 officer in explaining how she lost data on her work phone, that her phone went through this upgrade,

00:50:37.300 update, and that her relevant work details, the so-called PLT logs, were lost in that process. 0.62

00:50:42.900 It's actually worse than that. There was a police officer prior, another lady working with the PLT,

00:50:47.700 and she said the same thing, that her data was lost via this upgrade, update to the phone systems.

00:50:52.340 Now, also, the police officer did acknowledge this was Nicole Bache. Again, she was meant to testify

00:50:57.860 today. She began testifying yesterday. She did acknowledge that it was her duty,

00:51:02.180 her responsibility as a police officer to back up this information, but that she failed to do so.

00:51:06.180 She tried to go through the process. It didn't work. She lost it. So she acknowledged that much

00:51:10.500 without really saying, I'm sorry, or what have you. Now, as far as the judge goes, this is what's

00:51:14.660 so interesting. Okay. It was the judge, her intervention, interjection, I don't know what the

00:51:19.300 right term is, that elicited that revelation that the phone had been wiped. She basically said

00:51:24.660 to the witness yesterday during proceedings about some piece of information that was being sought.

00:51:29.300 Can't you just check your work phone? Can't you check your mobile records? And she's like,

00:51:33.380 well, I wiped it. So it was the judge's own activity. Now, here's what gets a bit more

00:51:36.660 interesting. The prosecution yesterday, actually, that was, yeah, it happened where the prosecution

00:51:43.700 said the word delicate. This is a delicate measure in which the judge is entering into the fray.

00:51:49.860 That's basically an exact quote. So the judge entering the fray was delicate. And Tim Radcliffe also

00:51:55.940 emphasized, this is almost an exact quote, that the prosecution team has years of experience.

00:52:01.060 Now, I can't say this with a lot of authority. I had a lawyer who advised me that he observed those

00:52:06.340 proceedings. And he viewed that as an instance where, in a meta sense, the state is cautioning,

00:52:13.700 chastising the judiciary and saying, don't overstep your bounds. This is what we want to do. And so far,

00:52:19.540 again, remember, it was the judge's questioning that elicited that revelation that the phone had been

00:52:23.780 wiped. And that can be potentially fatal or very damaging to the prosecution's pursuit of guilty

00:52:29.860 verdicts.

00:52:30.580 Isn't that interesting? I tell you, it takes a lot of chutzpah to say to a judge,

00:52:35.540 you back down. We've got a lot of experience here. Don't you get all uppity. Uppity,

00:52:39.780 she's a judge. She has been elevated to the bench. That's the phrase they use, elevated to the bench. 0.98

00:52:46.260 And for a prosecutor to chastise a judge like that, I think that's a sign of desperation. Well,

00:52:52.100 listen, Robert, it's great to catch up with you. I'm so glad you're in there. You're making me think

00:52:56.980 that maybe I should go back and take in a day or two of the trial if it's not as awful. If you say

00:53:01.700 the day I attended was the worst day in the whole trial. Well, I should come back there because it

00:53:06.420 sounds like it's getting exciting. Now, before I let you go, what is the future for this trial?

00:53:13.540 How many more days are expected? How many more weeks or months before we get to the end of it? Because,

00:53:20.340 by the way, this is hanging over to Mary Leach's head. She can't work. She can't be in her home. 1.00

00:53:25.460 She has all these conditions on her still. How much longer is this whole circus going to take?

00:53:32.020 It's unclear. But a wise man once told me that the process is the punishment. So clearly,

00:53:38.260 that's what's going on. The defense, sorry, the defendants are being punished regardless of

00:53:42.820 whether they're found not guilty or not. We will have proceedings next week. I think Wednesday,

00:53:47.380 for sure. I did ask Greenspan yesterday whether he wants to introduce witnesses and things like

00:53:53.380 that. He didn't want to disclose that. He doesn't want to reveal any of his strategy. So I can't say

00:53:57.220 with any confidence or certainty what the time frame would look like for the defense to do its

00:54:03.380 counterarguments in the form of witnesses or testimony if they seek to do so. But we're definitely

00:54:07.380 going to be on for next week for a bit and definitely for some time after that somewhere,

00:54:12.340 maybe in November to be determined. Wow. Well, listen, thanks again for logging all that time

00:54:18.580 in court. And maybe I should go and sit there. Maybe it's not. Maybe I should show a little bit

00:54:23.060 more attention span. But, oh, I could not stand. I just couldn't stand a bureaucrat telling when I went

00:54:30.500 here and then I heard a horn honk and I got scared and I wanted to go for a coffee and I got I just I

00:54:36.180 I just couldn't stand it. I just had to walk out, Robert. So I thank you on behalf of all our viewers

00:54:44.500 for having the tenacity to live through this. I'm grateful to you. And I want to say there's two ways

00:54:52.420 people can help. As you know, the Democracy Fund is crowdfunding the legal fees for Tamara Leach. And

00:54:59.060 I've met the lawyer, Lawrence Greenspan, as you can hear. Robert talks to him every day. I really think

00:55:04.180 very highly of him. And I've gotten to know I probably know 30 lawyers who were involved in

00:55:09.700 things over the course of the pandemic. And I really think that Lawrence Greenspan is truly one

00:55:14.340 of the best. And God forbid, if I ever had a criminal matter, I would go to him. I'm just telling

00:55:19.140 you, I really would. He's the top of his game, top of the profession. To help pay for that, we have a

00:55:26.340 website for the Democracy Fund called, I think it's called HelpTamera.com. And that is a donation,

00:55:34.500 not to Rebel News, but to the Democracy Fund. And to crowdfund the cost of Robert and our cameraman,

00:55:42.420 Lincoln Jay, who's also doing some great reporting while he's in town. That one is TamaraTrial.com,

00:55:48.740 because we incur costs on that side, too. So two different ways you can help. You can help Tamara and

00:55:53.700 her lawyer at HelpTamera.com. You can help Robert Lincoln and Rebel News at TamaraTrial.com.

00:56:00.740 We're operated this way. This is how we do business. That's how we do it. We're not the CBC. We don't

00:56:05.220 get $1.5 billion that way. We've been demonetized by YouTube. We have no big corporate advertisers.

00:56:10.260 So we rely on you. And thank you for helping. Robert, keep up the great work. I really like talking

00:56:14.740 with you. And I feel like you're really there on behalf of all Rebel viewers. And I'm just grateful

00:56:20.420 that you're there. You know what? You're going to have a book inside of you when this is all over

00:56:24.660 to tell the story. God forbid.

00:56:28.020 You really will. Anyways, great to see you. Thanks very much for your time.

00:56:31.140 Cheers, Ezra. Nice to speak with you. Bye.

00:56:32.580 Right on. There you have it. Robert Krejcik on the ground in Ottawa,

00:56:35.940 just doing a great job out there. I feel like I've got a real update on what's going on. Well,

00:56:40.660 there you have it. Stay with us. We have a big show today. And I was really glad to go deep with

00:56:56.500 Robert Krejcik because I hadn't had a catch up on the Tamera Leach trial in a while. We've been

00:57:00.260 talking so much about, you know, World War III really. And I'm becoming increasingly concerned

00:57:07.620 for the Canadian front of that war. It's just nuts to me that there are now protests in front of

00:57:15.380 Jewish kindergartens in Toronto. Here's a clip from the Miles Nadal JCC, which is not an Israeli 0.99

00:57:23.220 embassy. It's nothing to do with Israel. It's like a YMCA, but it's Jewish. You don't have to

00:57:28.820 be Jewish to go there. It's in the heart of Toronto. There's a kindergarten in there. There's

00:57:32.180 exercise and meeting rooms. It's just a place. It's Jewish, but you don't have to be. It's not like 0.99

00:57:36.980 a synagogue. There's a kindergarten in there. There have been religious services in there.

00:57:44.100 Hamas protesters are outside chanting their death to the Jews chants at a Jewish place

00:57:50.900 in Toronto. Not an Israeli place, a Jewish place. Here's some more video. 0.98

00:58:10.740 That's what I'm worried about. Israel, I think and I hope can take care of itself. But here in Canada, 0.96

00:58:16.820 who's taking care of us? On that note, I'll bid you a good weekend. On behalf of all of us here

00:58:24.020 at Rebel World Headquarters to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - October 21, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Joe Biden returns to America to talk about World War Three — and to brag about how brave he is

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