Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Justin Trudeau has introduced the worst censorship law of any western democracy

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. Today, I take you through Bill C-36, which is the second liberal censorship law.

00:00:07.360 It was just sprung on us yesterday. I finally read through it. It brings back censorship of

00:00:13.220 the internet, which is frankly expected, but it does something completely unexpected.

00:00:19.780 It creates a kind of thought crime, pre-crime that I've never seen before in any democracy

00:00:28.100 in the world. I'll take you through it. It's actually quite terrifying. We've got a petition

00:00:33.820 to sign two, by the way. That'll be in today's show. Before we get to that, let me invite you

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00:00:58.100 Tonight, Justin Trudeau has introduced the worst censorship law of any Western democracy.

00:01:13.700 It's June 24th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:18.480 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:21.920 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:26.240 The only thing I have to say to the government of a wire publisher is because it's my bloody

00:01:31.140 right to do so.

00:01:37.300 Yesterday, the Trudeau liberals introduced their second censorship bill called C-36.

00:01:44.120 It's not to be confused with their first censorship bill, C-10. It helps to look at these things

00:01:49.700 in a logical order. C-10, their censorship bill that just passed the House of Commons,

00:01:55.600 allows the liberal government to take over the internet in Canada. It puts things under

00:02:00.100 government jurisdiction. It lets the government regulate websites like rebelnews.com in the same

00:02:06.560 manner they've always regulated big TV broadcasters and radio stations. So Trudeau is now the boss of

00:02:12.760 YouTube in Canada. He's the boss of Facebook. But this next bill that was just introduced yesterday,

00:02:19.680 it had to wait until the first one was through the House of Commons because they didn't want anyone

00:02:24.700 to see the next step in their plan until the first step was already taken. Bill C-36 is called

00:02:32.040 an act to amend the Criminal Code and Canadian Human Rights Act and to make related amendments to

00:02:39.080 another act. Hate propaganda, hate crimes, and hate speech. Okay, well hate propaganda is already in

00:02:46.240 our criminal code. Did you know that? I don't think it should be. I don't think hate propaganda

00:02:52.400 should be a crime. I don't like hate propaganda. I don't like people calling for genocide or things

00:02:58.200 like that. But I just don't think having terrible ideas in itself is a crime. Section 318 of our criminal

00:03:07.020 code makes it a crime to advocate for genocide. Section 319 makes it a crime to incite hatred. I think it should 0.60

00:03:14.840 be a crime to incite violence. But hatred is a feeling. It's a human emotion. I think it's just

00:03:21.680 bizarre to make emotions, even bad emotions, into crimes. It's actions we want to criminalize.

00:03:29.800 Actions that hurt people, not what you think or feel. My point is those are, for better or for worse,

00:03:36.620 already in our criminal law. But this new bill goes much, much further. I have read this bill through

00:03:44.000 twice now. And I have to say, this is the worst law I have ever seen in a Western democracy. And by the

00:03:50.880 way, I'm going to ask you to go to stopc36.com and sign our petition against it. And I'll tell you what

00:03:56.380 we'll do with that later. This law, C36, legislates cancel culture in the worst way. I'll take you through

00:04:05.300 it. Normally, I would just summarize the law. But I think it's important that you see the details for

00:04:09.520 yourself. It's been about 24 hours. And I actually haven't seen much media treatment of certain parts

00:04:15.320 of this bill at all, which is odd. It's not a very long bill. It's 26 pages in total. But six of those

00:04:22.820 pages are blank or just sort of title pages. And half of it is the French version. So there's only

00:04:29.540 about 10 pages of reading involved. It's not that long. So how did the media miss the worst part of it?

00:04:36.860 Here, let's just go through it. Remember, the central purpose of this bill, as you can see from

00:04:43.200 its title, is to ban hate. So obviously, they have to define hate. And they say,

00:04:50.580 hatred means the emotion that involves detestation or vilification, and that is stronger than dislike

00:04:59.240 or disdain. I think it's really weird to pass criminal laws about emotions. I think it's an

00:05:05.020 attempt to play God, to tell people how they're supposed to feel and supposed to think. You can't

00:05:10.460 command someone to feel a certain way. You can't pass a law commanding love or banning hate. And the

00:05:17.300 audacity to think that you can, that arrogance, I'm guessing that will actually create more hate.

00:05:23.700 Hate comes from an underlying sense of a grievance, whether that grievance is justified or not.

00:05:28.520 You may have a very good reason to feel hate, or you might have a terrible reason. It might be

00:05:34.020 based on bigotry or fear. But unless that underlying grievance issue is dealt with,

00:05:41.040 the government coming along and simply saying to stop feel, to stop you from feeling a certain way,

00:05:46.840 it's not going to convince you to stop feeling a certain way. Probably make it worse.

00:05:50.760 So you hear that first part, detestation and vilification, and that is stronger than dislike

00:05:56.380 or disdain. All right. But then they say this, for greater certainty, the communication of a

00:06:02.660 statement does not incite or promote hatred for the purpose of the detection solely because it

00:06:09.520 discredits, humiliates, hurts, or offends. What? So if you humiliate someone, hurt them,

00:06:18.920 and offend them, that doesn't necessarily mean you've committed hate. So it's stronger than

00:06:25.780 dislike or disdain, but maybe not humiliation. Can you imagine entire trials being held about this?

00:06:33.980 I'll tell you what that word salad really means. I think it's designed to be vague on purpose,

00:06:40.060 so that it means whatever the government wants it to mean at any given moment. Justin Trudeau,

00:06:44.220 I'm sorry to say it, he's full of hatred for people he doesn't like, i.e. his political

00:06:49.400 opponents. Trudeau constantly calls his opponents racist and sexist and homophobic. So does the rest 0.59

00:06:56.640 of his cabinet. They even call their enemies Nazis sometimes. But by having such vague and subjective

00:07:02.200 definitions in the law, they can guarantee that they will only prosecute their enemy's hatred,

00:07:08.040 never their own hatred. Trudeau's full of hate, but he'll never be prosecuted under this.

00:07:11.840 Or put another way, we're all guilty of hate. We just have to know who the government's going to

00:07:19.560 choose to prosecute. Every single human hates something and loves something and is sad about

00:07:25.540 something. It's part of our humanity. It's part of our healthy, normal personalities. Part of being

00:07:30.040 a good person is learning how to control your darker emotions, hatred, sorrow, jealousy, etc.,

00:07:36.040 and to express them positively and to work on them. I think some of the best people among us take their

00:07:41.720 darker feelings and transform them into something constructive, whether it's just energy for hard

00:07:48.200 work or even art or positive political change. I think hatred, a sense of injustice or hurt at an

00:07:57.180 underlying grievance, is a major motivation for people to fix the world, to fix that underlying

00:08:03.440 grievance, wouldn't you? The best people take something they hate and are inspired to fix it.

00:08:09.900 So I think we're all guilty of these thought crimes, these emotion crimes. We just are.

00:08:15.960 So now it comes down to who will be prosecuted, since we're all guilty. This is cancel culture turned

00:08:23.280 into law. Now here's the part of the bill everyone expected. Eight years ago, Stephen Harper and the

00:08:29.880 Conservatives repealed the censorship provision in the Human Rights Act. It's being replaced with very

00:08:35.060 similar language. I'll just read it to you. Communication of hate speech. It is a discriminatory

00:08:41.700 practice to communicate or cause to be communicated hate speech by means of the internet or other means

00:08:48.520 of telecommunication in a context in which the hate speech is likely to foment detestation or

00:08:55.380 vilification of an individual or group of individuals on the basis of a prohibitive

00:09:01.060 ground of discrimination. It's a lot of words there. So that's what I was charged with 15 years

00:09:05.800 ago when I published the Danish cartoons of Mohammed. Publishing something likely to, that is maybe it

00:09:12.460 will, maybe it won't, foment detestation or vilification. Back then they used the word hate, same things

00:09:19.200 I think. But who knows if something will foment hate? I mean, that's so subjective. When you watch

00:09:25.620 that old movie Schindler's List, you know, the one about the Holocaust, maybe you come away with,

00:09:30.460 what's that phrase? Detesting or vilifying Germans. I mean, it's also subjective and it's also future tense,

00:09:38.880 likely to foment bad feelings. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. But these days, with a professional

00:09:44.600 class of official offense takers, of people who are perpetually upset with things, perpetually mad,

00:09:50.860 perpetually aggrieved, we're really giving the most thin-skinned person in the room the ability

00:09:56.160 to decide what's legal or not. But look at this innovation. This wasn't here in the law when Harper

00:10:02.380 repealed it. For the purposes of subsection one, a person who communicates or causes to be communicated

00:10:09.780 hate speech continues to do so for as long as the hate speech remains public and the person can remove

00:10:17.900 or block access to it. So if you wrote something dumb on Twitter or Facebook five or ten years ago 0.80

00:10:25.420 and it's still up there, you're still guilty of that hate crime today. Unlike every other kind of 0.94

00:10:35.580 law you can think of, there's no statute of limitations. For most lawsuits, you have two

00:10:40.800 years to go to court. Not for internet thought crimes. If you publish something, I don't know,

00:10:46.640 way back in the day on MySpace or Friendster, decades ago when you were a teenager, you're still breaking

00:10:53.660 the law today. That's what this law says. But look at this. This is officially crazy. Complaints about hate

00:11:01.340 speech can now be made in secret. And the secret complainants can get up to 20 grand in cash from

00:11:10.460 their target for making a complaint. Let me read it. Non-disclosure of identity. The commission may

00:11:16.960 deal with a complaint in relation to a discriminatory practice described in section 13 without disclosing

00:11:22.840 to the person against whom the complaint was filed or to any other person the identity of the

00:11:28.940 alleged victim. The individual or group of individuals who has filed the complaint or

00:11:34.420 any individual who has given evidence or assisted the commission in any way in dealing with the

00:11:40.620 complaint. If the commission considers there is a real and substantial risk that any of those

00:11:45.040 individuals will be subjected to threats, intimidation, or discrimination. And remember,

00:11:50.460 they describe discrimination as hard feelings. So just secret courts now. Secret witnesses,

00:11:56.900 secret complaints made by secret complainants. So who keeps filing complaints against you? Is it your

00:12:04.280 ex-wife or your ex-husband? Is it a disgruntled former employee? Maybe a business partner you had a

00:12:11.180 falling out with? Someone with a grudge? Is it a vexatious litigant? Someone like Richard Worman or

00:12:18.680 Yaniv who just kept filing complaint after complaint as a malicious hobby? Or is it one of the many lobby

00:12:26.600 groups funded by the liberal government who actually go around and stir up trouble and file complaints

00:12:32.860 against conservatives and other enemies of the left? We showed you how a disgraced group with the ironic

00:12:38.800 name Canadian Anti-Hate Network signed a contract for a quarter million dollars with the liberal

00:12:44.320 government specifically to hunt conservatives on the internet and file complaints about them.

00:12:51.180 Secret complaints about you? So much for your ancient right of being able to face your accuser.

00:12:59.840 The law also gives these kangaroo courts the power to order the media not to reveal the identity of the

00:13:05.020 complainers either. One of the reasons our justice system is public is so that there can be no hidden

00:13:11.040 agendas. But here not only is there no disincentive to nasty, woke, professional complainers,

00:13:18.620 but there are actually rewards too. Unlike in a real court, you don't even have to pay for a lawyer

00:13:24.380 with your own money. Trudeau will take care of all that for you, but you will get a huge 20 grand windfall

00:13:29.960 if you win. Here's what you can get if you complain that someone said something hateful about you on the

00:13:36.880 internet. In order to cease the discriminatory practice and take measures in consultation with the

00:13:44.140 commission on the general purposes and measures to redress the practice or to prevent the same

00:13:49.640 or similar practice from reoccurring. Remember, they're talking about just hate speech, right?

00:13:55.900 They're not actually talking about crimes like stabbing someone or robbing something. They're

00:14:00.240 talking about emotion crimes. You said something that caused another person to have hard feelings

00:14:06.400 about a third person. How do you stop that from recurring? Are you going to jail someone? Are you

00:14:12.300 going to literally duct tape their mouths? Actually, yeah, they have jailed people in the past. The very

00:14:18.300 first case of hate speech decades ago under the Human Rights Commission, they sent someone to jail.

00:14:24.780 The very first target, he was a 70-year-old man, some cranky guy who wouldn't unplug his telephone

00:14:34.860 answering machine. This was back before voicemail. This was like in the 90s. He had an old

00:14:39.980 answering machine that had like an outgoing tape and an incoming tape. He put racist messages on his

00:14:45.180 telephone answering machine. He wouldn't delete them. So they threw him in jail. That's what they're going to do.

00:14:53.980 So what else? Well, in order to pay compensation of not more than $20,000 that any victim personally

00:15:00.220 identified in the communication that constituted the discriminatory practice. So 20 grand for being the

00:15:06.180 subject of a mean tweet, eh? And you never have to reveal your identity to complain. Where's the cash?

00:15:11.620 I mean, sign me up. I'm kidding. I'm the subject of hate every day from liberals. But you see,

00:15:16.740 that's the good kind of hate, to hate conservatives. I'll never get to put my enemies on trial in a

00:15:22.820 secret court with a $20,000 payoff to me. But I bet you I'll be targeted by this court, don't you think?

00:15:28.720 $20,000 to the secret complainer. Plus, pay another $50,000 to Trudeau. Let me read.

00:15:37.680 In order to pay a penalty of not more than $50,000 to the receiver general. So it's worse than it even

00:15:43.040 was before Harper repealed the law. The penalties are much higher. The complainant gets to keep his

00:15:48.660 identity secret. Warman and Yaniv will love that. So it's as bad as everyone thought. But that's not

00:15:55.000 really what this law is about. That's the distraction. That's what the media is focused 0.83

00:16:00.960 on. This law has something much, much worse than it. Much, much darker. It's the reason I say this

00:16:08.080 is the worst law I have ever seen in a democracy ever. This law would give anyone the power to go to

00:16:15.180 a provincial court and ask a judge to condemn any other Canadian and punish him in advance

00:16:23.140 for a hate crime, an emotion crime he has not yet committed. Let me say that again. This bill lets

00:16:31.780 you go to court and ask a judge to sentence someone for a crime you think he might commit,

00:16:41.260 but he hasn't done it yet. It's straight out of Tom Cruise's movie, Minority Report.

00:16:47.340 They haven't done anything yet. You're just afraid they will. But really, they're the ones who ought

00:16:52.060 to be afraid of you because you're going to destroy their lives now just by saying they've triggered you.

00:16:58.220 Read this part, which doesn't just amend the Canadian Human Rights Act. This amends the criminal

00:17:02.660 code. This creates a new crime, a pre-crime, or as they call it, fear of hate propaganda offense or hate

00:17:12.660 crime. So not only are feelings crimes banned in Canada, you can't have certain feelings in Canada,

00:17:18.920 but if someone has hatred in their heart, that's a crime. But if you fear that someone may have hatred

00:17:26.320 in their heart, you can prosecute them in court. I'm not even kidding, but I wish I were. Let me

00:17:32.220 read it to you in full. Section 810-0-1-2-1 of the criminal code will be amended to read.

00:17:38.680 A person may, with the attorney general's consent, lay in information before a provincial court judge.

00:17:45.340 If the person fears, on reasonable grounds, that another person will commit A, an offense under

00:17:52.720 section 318 or 319, those are the feelings crimes I read to you before. B, an offense under subsection

00:18:01.700 430, that's mischief under the criminal code. Or C, an offense motivated by bias, prejudice, or hate

00:18:09.760 based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, color, religion, sex, age, mental or physical

00:18:16.020 disability, sexual orientation, gender identity, or expression, or any other similar factor. So no

00:18:23.480 making fun of those transgender athletes at the Olympics, guys, or you'll wind up in jail. 0.65

00:18:30.280 So let's recap. If someone out there who you don't like has not broken the law yet, they haven't done

00:18:40.560 anything to you yet, but you're afraid they might, you have fear that they might, you can go to court and

00:18:48.240 strike first. If you're some leftist who is afraid of conservatives, go to court, and if a judge says

00:18:55.880 your fear is reasonable, he'll lock up the person you're afraid of. Even if that person hasn't done

00:19:02.500 anything, doesn't do anything, won't ever do anything, you can get an order against them. See for

00:19:08.820 yourself. Let me quote. If the provincial court judge before whom the parties appear is satisfied

00:19:14.200 by the evidence adduced that the informant has reasonable grounds for the fear, the judge may

00:19:22.460 order that the defendant enter into a recognizance to keep the peace and be of good behavior for a

00:19:28.160 period of not more than 12 months. So not, the judge isn't determining whether or not that guy is

00:19:35.040 going to commit a crime. That's not what's on trial. It's whether or not your fear is reasonable.

00:19:41.940 You can go to court and say, your honor, I'm really, really afraid. And the judge says, well,

00:19:46.720 is that true? Or is that a reasonable fear? And if you're afraid of someone, if you can convince a

00:19:52.920 court you're afraid of something, if you can convince a court that it was fair that you were triggered,

00:19:57.900 you can cancel someone in real life. If, if that person doesn't comply, he goes straight to jail.

00:20:07.760 The provincial court judge may commit the defendant to prison for a term of not more than 12 months if

00:20:14.220 the defendant fails or refuses to enter into the recognizance. So if you really hate someone and

00:20:18.780 the left is full of hate, say you're an angry Black Lives Matter leftist full of hate, say you're a 0.76

00:20:24.260 hateful environmental extremist, someone Trudeau considers part of his coalition, maybe, maybe his, 0.97

00:20:29.860 I don't know, minister, Stephen Gilbeau, who was actually so full of hate, he became a criminal.

00:20:35.140 You just go to a judge and say, I'm really afraid of that white guy or that oil man or that

00:20:40.380 conservative. I'm really afraid of Rex Murphy. I'm really afraid of Conrad. I'm really afraid of

00:20:45.260 Ezra Levan or Rebel News. I'm afraid of Maxime Bernier or Derek Sloan or even Aaron O'Toole.

00:20:49.700 I'm really afraid of them, Your Honor. No, they haven't done anything yet. No, they haven't committed

00:20:54.380 any crime. No, but I'm afraid that they hate me and I want you, judge, to strike first against them

00:21:00.560 and a judge now can. And here's what a judge can do to the official enemies list because you know

00:21:07.080 this will only be implemented against the enemies of the state. I rarely meet anyone more hate-filled

00:21:12.800 than a woke college leftist. But they will never be charged. They'll be the ones doing the

00:21:19.700 complaining. I mean, all the cancel culture on campus, that's terrible. But what's the worst

00:21:26.380 that can happen? You embarrass someone, all right. You get them kicked out of university

00:21:30.360 or you get them fired. I mean, that's not great. But look at the weaponization of cancel culture that

00:21:36.300 Trudeau just proposed in Bill C-36. This is the list of things in Bill C-36 that the government can

00:21:42.600 do if they think you might, in the future, commit one of these emotion crimes. So if you're convicted

00:21:51.000 of a pre-crime, these are the conditions and recognizance they can order you to do.

00:21:57.260 The provincial court judge may add any reasonable conditions to the recognizance that the judge

00:22:03.100 considers desirable to secure the good conduct of the defendant, including conditions that

00:22:07.360 A, require the defendant to wear an electronic monitoring device if the attorney general makes

00:22:14.460 that request. Because you know that hateful feelings can be tracked on a GPS. B, require the defendant to

00:22:22.640 return to and remain at their place of residence at specified times. So that's a curfew. Because you

00:22:28.580 know that hateful feelings come out at night. C, require the defendant to abstain from the consumption

00:22:34.820 of drugs, except in accordance with the medical prescription of alcohol or any other intoxicating

00:22:40.720 substance. Seriously, you can get your enemy banned from drinking if you say you're really afraid of

00:22:47.120 them. D, require the defendant to provide for the purpose of analysis a sample of a bodily substance

00:22:53.060 prescribed by regulation on the demand of a peace officer. So you have to give a sample,

00:22:59.380 including a blood sample I presume, on demand because you're such a hater, we need a sample of

00:23:05.700 your blood. And this, to prohibit the defendant from communicating directly or indirectly with any

00:23:11.940 person identified in the recognizance, or refrain from going to any place specified in the recognizance,

00:23:18.500 except in accordance with the conditions specified in the recognizance that the judge considers

00:23:22.660 necessary. So you can be banned from talking to friends, or family, or political colleagues,

00:23:27.700 or employees, or whomever. Literally, because some political activist claims he's afraid of you,

00:23:34.380 he can get the government to ban you from talking to anyone or going anywhere. Have you even heard

00:23:40.400 of this before? Have you ever heard of this anywhere? Obviously, they'll seize your otherwise lawful

00:23:45.680 guns. The provincial court judge shall consider whether it is desirable in the interest of the

00:23:51.340 defendant's safety, or that of any other person, to prohibit the defendant from possessing any firearm,

00:23:56.740 crossbow, prohibited weapon, restricted weapon, prohibited device, or ammunition. What is all this?

00:24:04.280 Is that an anti-hate law? No, it isn't. It will not reduce hate. I think it will increase hate.

00:24:12.640 It will certainly not convince anyone that their opinions are wrong,

00:24:16.360 let alone that their emotions are wrong. But I'm pretty sure it will cause hurt feelings.

00:24:22.520 It'll cause hard feelings. It'll cause feelings of grievance, which are the source of so much hate.

00:24:29.640 But you know, I think that's actually what Trudeau wants. That's part of the political strategy

00:24:34.620 behind cancel culture and wokeness and extreme critical race theory and all this racial and gender

00:24:41.660 identity these days. It's to pit us against each other perpetually, to divide us, to plant strife,

00:24:47.340 not harmony. I actually think Canada works pretty well. I think it's a pretty harmonious place.

00:24:54.440 I live in Toronto, a majority-minority city. I think there are problems in Toronto, but I 0.98

00:24:59.940 really don't think there are systemic barriers for minorities to get ahead in business or politics or

00:25:06.400 sports or entertainment or policing or in law. I just don't see it. I see an attempt by the

00:25:13.460 Liberal Party to mimic the racial identity politics of the U.S., even though we don't have their same

00:25:18.600 history of slavery and Jim Crow laws. We just don't. We're where the Underground Railroad went to.

00:25:27.540 I see an attempt to force people into thinking of themselves as anything but Canadians. I think Trudeau

00:25:34.840 is trying to destroy our Canadian identity, including our Canadian history and icons. I see a lot of

00:25:40.820 hate in Trudeau, honestly. A hate for our country's history, including a hatred for our founder, Sir

00:25:47.300 Johnny MacDonald himself. I think Trudeau hates his opponents, obviously. He hates his critics.

00:25:53.140 He hates Alberta. To be honest, he hates anyone who tells him no. We know who he loves, though.

00:26:00.180 We know who he admires. There's a level of admiration

00:26:06.160 I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing them to actually turn 0.90

00:26:16.260 their economy around on a dime. Yeah, it shows. Trudeau's always loved tyrannies. He loved Castro.

00:26:22.540 He loves China, just like his dad, Pierre Trudeau, loved the Soviet Union. This bill, C-36, it's not a law

00:26:29.840 that any democracy could have. It criminalizes feelings. It admits that it does. It allows secret

00:26:37.220 trials and secret informants. It's a censorship law, but more than any of that, this law allows Trudeau's

00:26:44.260 attack dogs, including his paid race hustlers like the Canadian Anti-Hate Network and hucksters like 0.62

00:26:51.640 Yaniv or anyone with a grudge or a grievance to milk the system, to secretly seek vengeance against 1.00

00:26:57.500 their enemies and to team up with Trudeau to destroy what little political opposition remains in this

00:27:02.760 country. This is the worst bill I've ever seen. And I'm 100% certain it's going to become law if we

00:27:11.840 don't stop it. I'm sure it'll get the unanimous support of the NDP, the bloc, and 90% of the media

00:27:18.540 and the lawyers in this country. We'll do our best to stop it, though. In the weeks ahead, I'll outline

00:27:25.440 my plans. I'd like you to start by signing our petition at stopc36.com. At that link, we'll have

00:27:36.200 the entire law. You can read it for yourself. This fight began yesterday. It's going to be many

00:27:43.420 months. They'll probably have to reintroduce the law in the fall. So it's not a done deal yet.

00:27:49.840 It's a terrible law, but I give you my word, we'll do our best here to fight it. Stay with us for more.

00:28:06.200 Well, for months, we've been talking about Stephen Gilboa's bill called Bill C-10. A lot of other

00:28:14.120 people in the mainstream media have been talking about it, too. It would put the internet under

00:28:19.260 the regulation of the government regulator called the CRTC. And it would regulate things like YouTube

00:28:26.060 broadcasts, including from us. Now, it would politicize the internet. It would put it under the

00:28:32.780 thumb of the government. And rightfully, a lot of people are concerned. But there's companion

00:28:38.060 legislation that Stephen Gilboa and other liberal cabinet ministers have been threatening, for which

00:28:44.280 C-10 just sets the table, sets the regulatory framework that allows the government to do other

00:28:51.280 things later. So when C-10 says the government is going to tell the tech companies they have to show

00:28:58.660 certain amount of Canadiana, or they must show this or can't show that, that's just the enabling law

00:29:05.480 that will then get fleshed out later, including by this bizarre and outrageous bill tabled just

00:29:12.660 yesterday by Trudeau's justice minister from Montreal named Lametti, the one brought in to be more

00:29:19.680 compliant to Trudeau's wishes than the previous justice minister, Jody Wilson-Raybould. Bill C-36

00:29:25.260 is bringing back internet censorship that is the heart of the bill. C-10 regulates the internet.

00:29:36.000 C-36 says what the regulation is for, to crack down on what the liberals call hate speech, which I

00:29:43.380 like to say is really speech that they hate. But there's other terrifying things in it too. Joining us

00:29:49.620 now to talk about it is our friend Spencer Fernando, who joins us via Skype. Great to see you again, Spencer.

00:29:54.040 Good to see you.

00:29:55.940 You know what? For eight years, Canada has not had this censorship provision of the Human Rights Act.

00:30:02.800 It was taken out in the late years of Stephen Harper's administration in response to some

00:30:07.820 abusive prosecutions, including against me. Why do you think the political motivation is there? Do you

00:30:13.960 think there's a demand by Canadians to have this censorship back? Or do you think it's the Liberal

00:30:19.000 Party's own agenda to silence voices like, I don't know, ours or maybe even yours?

00:30:25.560 Well, I think there's a demand on the far left, certainly for that. I don't think the average

00:30:29.900 Canadian is saying they want this. But again, the Liberals, I think they see it as a politically

00:30:35.160 opportune moment. You know, unfortunately, because of what happened in, you know, the tragedy in London,

00:30:39.600 Ontario, I think they see that as something they can twist politically and use that as a

00:30:44.800 supposed justification for bringing this in. But of course, it's just justifying in their thinking

00:30:50.980 what they wanted to do all along. As you say, with C-10, you know, they lay the framework for this.

00:30:55.860 And then with C-36, they're going even further. So I think they're, you know, they see it both as a

00:31:02.460 way to control people, you know, to kind of chill free speech and shut down their opponents,

00:31:06.560 but also to put the Conservatives in a tough situation. I think you can see, I mean, they

00:31:12.220 don't expect it's going to be passed quickly, right? I mean, the Parliament, the session's ending.

00:31:17.380 But I think what they see is they see an opportunity to go and campaign against the

00:31:21.380 Conservatives and say, oh, well, how come you guys don't oppose hate speech, right? I mean,

00:31:25.940 that's the kind of simple narrative they want to push with an election coming up. So I think it's

00:31:30.680 a big part of it is politics, of course.

00:31:32.300 Yeah, I think you're right. I mean, C-10 did get through the House of Commons. I'm not sure if

00:31:37.600 it'll make it through the Senate. I don't, I mean, falling closely enough. I can imagine

00:31:41.540 the Liberals, if they want to pass, they'll get it passed. C-36, that's the new one. No chance of

00:31:46.520 it getting passed. I think they just want it there because they want the country to be talking about

00:31:50.600 that because they think it's a big winner. When he rolled it out yesterday, David Lamedi specifically

00:31:56.740 made mention of that London family that was killed, the Absal family that were

00:32:02.240 hit by the speeding truck on the road. Now, I haven't seen the latest on that, but as far as

00:32:08.660 I know, we don't have evidence yet, maybe it'll come, that the driver of that car, who was a young

00:32:15.020 man who had psychological problems, who was estranged from his own family, who had incidences

00:32:19.400 of aberrant behavior before him. I don't think we have evidence yet, correct me if I'm wrong,

00:32:26.040 Spencer, that he was motivated by some online hatred or something like that. Despite that lack

00:32:34.220 of evidence, David Lamedi made specific reference to that killing in his pitch for this internet

00:32:41.400 censorship. I think they're trying to blame everything bad on their internet enemies so

00:32:48.180 they can silence their internet enemies. I think you're spot on with that.

00:32:52.140 Yeah, I mean, it's the fear narrative, right? If we don't silence these people, then more people

00:32:58.440 are going to die. That's the message that they want to push. But of course, you notice how they

00:33:01.880 respond to different tragedies, right? I mean, the shooting in Toronto, you had, I think, a few

00:33:06.020 children who were shot there. Somehow that doesn't become an issue for all of society to change and a

00:33:11.340 chance for all of us to reflect and learn and grow. And all Canada's totally wrong and our history is

00:33:16.680 terrible. So it's interesting how certain things are exploited and certain things are not, right?

00:33:22.060 It's not the actual factual basis of what took place, but it's the narrative that politicians

00:33:26.340 think they can spin it with. So I think with C-36, of course, you're going to see them. They're going

00:33:31.600 to use whatever justification they think will work politically for them, and they're going to try

00:33:35.780 to put their opponents on the defensive. So I think we'll see how much willpower and strength the

00:33:40.960 conservatives have to push back against that because they're going to be attacked by the liberals

00:33:45.360 pretty harshly. And we'll see if they have the toughness to push back on them.

00:33:49.200 You know, I remember when this section of the Human Rights Act was repealed by Harper in 2013,

00:33:55.920 there was a lone liberal MP named Scott Sims, who actually used to be a journalist before,

00:34:01.420 who voted to repeal it. I believe he's still an MP. I wonder what he'll do now. I wonder if he'll show

00:34:10.080 that courage to stand for free speech now. I wonder if any MPs other than the conservative will,

00:34:15.360 and also wouldn't surprise me, Spencer, if one or two conservatives, the Woker conservatives said,

00:34:21.740 what a great chance for me to show I'm ahead of the curve, for me to win kudos from the fancy people.

00:34:28.020 I'm going to come out in favor of this anti-hate bill, just so people don't think I'm a hater.

00:34:33.280 I think things have moved so much in the last decade that not only will Scott Sims and all the

00:34:38.440 block and all the NDP be for censorship too, I think you might even see some conservative MPs say,

00:34:44.300 well, it's not that bad. And one day we'll win government and we'll want to censor the internet

00:34:49.780 too. I don't know. Maybe I'm too pessimistic. But I think our politicians are worse than ever.

00:34:56.760 Yeah, I mean, it's been concerning a few statements lately from some conservative MPs that seem like

00:35:01.320 they're kind of buckling psychologically under the pressure from the woke crowd or, you know,

00:35:06.060 the neocoms or neocommunists, as you could call them, because that's really what a lot of this is,

00:35:10.340 right? It's, you know, kind of, you know, people who are communists, but they're dressing it up as

00:35:14.960 being woke now, just a better name for it. But I think some conservatives are starting to buckle

00:35:20.580 psychologically. You know, they don't have, you know, the strength to push back or it's just

00:35:24.880 political. You know, they think, oh, we'll win some votes by being woke. Of course, if you're a conservative,

00:35:29.260 you're never going to be even close to woke enough for the woke crowd. I mean, the whole strategy is

00:35:33.020 to constantly shift the goalposts farther to the left. So if you move to where they are now,

00:35:37.680 well, they'll move again so that you have to keep chasing them, right? But I think, yeah,

00:35:42.120 you could be right. We may see some of them vote for this or, you know, propose, you know,

00:35:46.140 something similar just so they don't get attacked as being hateful. And unfortunately, they don't,

00:35:50.760 they really seem to struggle to push back with, you know, opposite narratives to those things.

00:35:54.280 Yeah. I'm worried about a little poison pill. Poison pill is the wrong word because that

00:36:01.760 implies it'll kill it. I think it's the real, it's a stowaway in this bill that I haven't seen

00:36:07.140 discussed. Actually, I haven't even seen it discussed anywhere yet. Maybe I haven't read all

00:36:12.920 the coverage, but let me read a little bit from Bill C-36. That's the bill, the one to bring back

00:36:19.960 the hate crimes provision, the censorship provision. I'm, I think a lot of Canadians are familiar with

00:36:25.180 that because that was what was repealed eight years ago. But look at this. Spencer, did you ever

00:36:30.220 see that movie with Tom Cruise called Minority Report, where you had these three psychics and they

00:36:38.220 would predict, yeah, pre-crime, exactly. Department of Pre-crime and they would imagine it and then

00:36:46.200 they would send the police to arrest someone right before they committed the crime. And they never

00:36:52.320 quite committed the crime, the people they hunted down, but they were about to. And it was a very

00:36:57.220 exciting movie. And in many cases, the people were like just about to pull the trigger. But the whole

00:37:02.240 title, the Minority Report suggests that sometimes the psychics, there was three of them, would disagree

00:37:08.200 with each other. It would be like two against one. And one of the psychics would say, no, no, no,

00:37:13.340 there's nothing wrong there. It was a great movie, a sci-fi movie, one of those, you know, dystopian

00:37:19.120 future movies. Well, let me read to you from this bill, because this is straight out of Tom Cruise's

00:37:27.280 Minority Report. It's called Fear of Hate Propaganda Offense or Hate Crime. And this is, this is going to be

00:37:37.120 new in law if this bill passes. A person may, with the Attorney General's consent, lay an information

00:37:44.360 before a provincial court judge if the person fears on reasonable grounds that another person

00:37:50.480 will commit an offense under this section or that section or an offense motivated by bias,

00:37:57.100 prejudice, or hate based on race, etc., or any similar factor. So you go to court and say,

00:38:02.320 judge, judge, I'm afraid of that guy because I think he's really biased and I think he's going to do

00:38:08.360 something, commit an offense, a hate offense. Can you order him? And then there's this huge list of things

00:38:19.520 a judge can do. Put an electronic monitoring device on his ankle. Require him to have a curfew in his

00:38:29.700 house. Require him not to have drugs or alcohol. Require him to give a DNA sample. Prohibit him from

00:38:40.420 communicating directly or indirectly with any person identified. Give up his firearms, etc. So the person

00:38:51.000 in question has not committed any crime yet. But if you go to a judge and say, judge, I really,

00:38:58.540 really think he's going to do something. He can have an ankle monitor. He can have a curfew. He can

00:39:04.880 be told not to talk to other people. I've never seen a law like this anywhere other than science

00:39:11.920 fiction, Spencer. Yeah, it's quite disturbing. And, you know, you wouldn't see politicians want that

00:39:17.540 applied to themselves. You know, judge, I'm very afraid that this politician's about to commit a

00:39:21.520 corruption offense. Maybe you can go detain them, you know, until we figure out what's happening,

00:39:25.520 right? They wouldn't want that happening. So it's quite disturbing. But, you know, it's

00:39:29.320 this is all about and it's not just about the power the government will use, right? It's about

00:39:34.680 how that power will be perceived by the public. And I think that's really their real goal is

00:39:39.040 it's not simply to just arrest a bunch of people, but it's to scare people, right? It's to have someone

00:39:43.280 think, oh, maybe maybe I won't share my opinions, right? Even if it's not offensive at all, or it's not

00:39:48.020 dangerous, right? Yeah. Oh, maybe I won't share my opinion. I'm not sure, you know, what the law is.

00:39:53.480 You know, it sounds kind of scary. I hear the government can throw people in jail or do something

00:39:57.100 terrible to them if they say the wrong thing. And that's really what they're looking for,

00:40:00.600 right? They want people to censor themselves in their own minds. And then the government can say,

00:40:04.400 oh, we're still free. You can, you're free to speak your mind, but everyone will just be terrified,

00:40:07.660 right? So I think that's really the motive behind a lot of this. Yeah. You know, I read every Section 13

00:40:15.480 case that was ever prosecuted in Canada. There weren't that many. There was only a couple dozen.

00:40:20.680 Um, this was before the law was repealed nine, eight years ago. And there were no cases of

00:40:28.980 extremists like a radical Muslim preaching the jihad. We know that there are hundreds 1.00

00:40:35.560 of Canadians who went to fight with ISIS. No one like that has ever been charged under the hate speech

00:40:42.380 complaint. There are other radical groups in Canada, um, who may be fighting some old war from

00:40:50.440 some other place. No one like that has ever been charged. It was almost uniformly lower class, blue 1.00

00:40:58.620 collar, uh, low education, white guys who said something offensive about immigrants. In almost every

00:41:07.260 case, that's what it was. And I'm not saying that that's lovable speech. That's wonderful speech.

00:41:12.540 These are wonderful people. I'm just pointing out in our country, there's a lot of strong feelings,

00:41:17.640 hard feelings, detestation, whatever. But the only people who were ever prosecuted under Section 13 of

00:41:25.400 the Canadian Human Rights Act were poor working class white guys. Um, and the reason I point that out 1.00

00:41:31.300 is because it was an obvious political choice in every instance. And so if you have this massive

00:41:36.540 catch-all law that you can punish anyone who you think hates you, and in this crazy case I just

00:41:45.180 mentioned, get the courts to actually put an ankle bracelet on your enemies, who do you think that's

00:41:51.980 going to be used against? Because it's such a wishy-washy rule, it could theoretically be used against

00:41:57.300 anyone and everyone. I think it's going to be used by the woke left against their enemies.

00:42:04.420 Some of the worst hate I've ever seen is from the woke left. Some of the most racist things I've ever

00:42:08.880 heard has come from Black Lives Matter types, but I don't think they will ever be prosecuted, 1.00

00:42:14.360 let alone have a minority report pre-crime ankle put on them. What do you think?

00:42:20.600 Yeah, well, I mean, it was interesting. There was, I think, an Angus Reid poll that came out a few

00:42:24.500 days ago, and they asked people about, you know, issues of diversity and all that stuff in Canada,

00:42:30.320 and views on, you know, different groups, how racist is in the country, you know, and it's

00:42:34.660 interesting, you know, Jagmeet Singh got a lot of attention for saying how racist Canada supposedly

00:42:38.360 is, but the majority of people disagreed with him, you know, you didn't see that covered too much.

00:42:42.820 But they asked people, and they broke it down by race into Caucasian, Indigenous, and then

00:42:48.140 visible minority, and they asked people, do you think some races are superior to others, right?

00:42:54.500 And the vast majority of people, of course, said they don't think so. But the highest proportion

00:42:58.960 of people who said that they felt some races were superior happened to be visible minorities,

00:43:03.580 right? And so, you know, as you say, the kind of people who were, you know, punished under Section

00:43:08.360 13 is, you know, there's kind of this perception, politically correct perception, that somehow only

00:43:15.460 white people can be racist, when of course that's absurd, right? I mean, the most racist countries in

00:43:19.260 the world right now, it's not North America, it's not in Europe, right? So that's something

00:43:23.660 interesting to note. And so, but you're not going to see that applied, right? You know,

00:43:28.160 someone, you know, visible minority says something racist, very rarely do you ever see that even become

00:43:33.220 political news, it gets, you know, wished away. Or, you know, most absurdities, you see people

00:43:38.240 say, you know, if a brown person says something racist, it's, oh, let's internalize white supremacy, 0.86

00:43:43.840 or somehow it's always white supremacy blamed for whatever anyone says, which ironically is quite

00:43:48.780 racist itself, because it denies agency to people of color, as if they couldn't have any

00:43:53.220 opinions, if, you know, a white supremacist didn't put it in their mind or something, or manipulate

00:43:57.240 them. But, you know, yeah, I mean, it's totally political. I mean, and the problem with how vague

00:44:02.680 it's worded is, okay, well, detestation against a identifiable group. Well, I mean, so if a politician

00:44:09.240 demonizes conservatives, then are you saying that they're inviting violence and detestation against

00:44:13.560 conservatives, so they should be punished? I mean, you know, there's a reason we have laws that are

00:44:17.920 about actual, you know, taking action or threats, right? You threaten to kill or hurt someone from

00:44:23.220 any group, then that's a crime, right? Because it's a threat of violence, and that's already in

00:44:28.060 the criminal code. So the idea that we need new laws is we don't need them, obviously. Yeah. You

00:44:33.260 know, I mean, emotions are a naturally occurring thing. I mean, you can't just ban a feeling, and hate

00:44:40.060 and love are feelings. Let me just read one last thing, and I appreciate you staying so long, but let me

00:44:44.460 just throw this at you. They try and define hate, but also not too much hate. Here, let me read to

00:44:50.360 you. So they say that hatred means the emotion. So they're talking about an emotion. They're just

00:44:56.080 admitting they're regulating emotions. Hatred means the emotion that involves detestation

00:45:02.780 or vilification, and that is stronger than dislike or disdain. And then they say, for greater

00:45:12.520 certainty, the communication of a statement does not incite or promote hatred for the purposes of

00:45:19.080 this section solely because it discredits, humiliates, hurts, or offends. Hang on. So I thought you just

00:45:28.440 said it was more than dislike or disdain. Now you're saying if it humiliates and hurts someone

00:45:34.500 that's not necessarily hate. This is the dumbest word game I've ever seen. This is not real law. 1.00

00:45:40.800 Like, I know what an assault is. I know what a murder is. I know what a robbery is. Those are

00:45:45.200 pretty, you know, did he steal the money from the bank or not? There's not wiggle room there. This is

00:45:53.300 nothing but word games and political wiggle room. This is the criminalization of, this is turning

00:46:00.940 cancel culture into a crime. This is legislating cancel culture with all its stupid vagueness. 0.99

00:46:07.380 What do you think? Yeah, well, I mean, imagine if people start to try to, you know, exploit that 0.99

00:46:12.740 loophole. And okay, so, you know, I give a speech. These are the list of racial groups that I disdain. 0.99

00:46:18.300 Now, let me be very clear. I do not detest or hate these groups, but I disdain them. I disdain

00:46:24.560 these people from these countries. I totally disdain them. I don't hate them, but I disdain 1.00

00:46:29.500 everyone from these countries. And I want to hurt them and discredit them, but don't ever accuse me 1.00

00:46:35.120 of hating them because I don't. Oh, my God. Maybe that's almost what people should do. Maybe you

00:46:40.960 almost need to make a joke of laws like this so people see how absurd it is. But again, you know,

00:46:45.780 that's why they keep it vague, right? They want to be able to, you know, catch whoever they want,

00:46:50.180 whenever they want, and let their own people go, right? Yeah, you're so right. Wow. I really, 0.97

00:46:54.920 I mean, I've only been looking at this for a few hours now, but I got to tell you,

00:46:58.800 I cannot think of any law. I mean, I don't know all the laws in the world, but I just have never

00:47:03.900 heard of something like this in the free world. I mean, I'd have to check. Germany has some quirky 1.00

00:47:08.500 laws about Nazism left over from, you know, the trauma of what that country became and what it 0.61

00:47:14.780 did. But even in Germany, I don't know if even like, I don't, I just don't think there's a place

00:47:20.840 in the free world that does this. Well, just look at the, you know, sorry to interrupt, but look at

00:47:25.100 the contrast in the States, right? They just ruled, I think it was eight to one in the U.S. Supreme

00:47:29.920 Court that a high school couldn't punish somebody, couldn't punish a cheerleader who had, you know,

00:47:35.080 ripped into the school, I think on a TikTok or Snapchat post because they said, well, and look,

00:47:39.660 she didn't say it at school. You know, you have no regulation or control over that. So you can't

00:47:43.480 punish her for it. So you've got the United States protecting the right of, you know, teenagers to say

00:47:47.940 terrible things about their school. Whereas in Canada, we're saying, yeah, we're going to put a

00:47:51.820 bunch of vague laws that can, you know, we can throw ankle bracelets on you and, you know, arrest you

00:47:55.620 for things or punish you for things you haven't even done. So it's quite a, quite a disturbing

00:47:59.720 contrast. Well, I tell you, this is just a bill. It's not a law yet. It won't actually work its way

00:48:06.900 through parliaments before the summer break. The summer break is upon us. It'll probably be

00:48:12.720 reintroduced in the fall. I'm terrified if Trudeau has a majority that this will sail through.

00:48:17.460 But frankly, even if he didn't have a majority, I'm sure that the block and the NDP would join with

00:48:22.380 it. I really am worried, Spencer, because this is further than anything we've ever seen before.

00:48:27.460 And it has real teeth, not just fines. There's fines in there for 50 grand,

00:48:32.240 punishment to 20 grand. So you might get $70,000 for a bad tweet that could crush someone.

00:48:37.880 But, but the jail term, the 12 month jail term, the ankle bracelet, the curfew, I've never seen

00:48:45.480 anything like that before. And believe me, I'm, I'm hunting for these things. I've never seen it

00:48:50.940 like this. Spencer, you're one of the good guys. I know you'll keep fighting for freedom.

00:48:54.400 Boy, I wish they were a hundred of you. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's a disturbing time,

00:48:59.940 but we have to keep pushing back. I mean, where they don't have a choice, right? If we,

00:49:02.880 if we give in, then they'll just do even worse things. So yeah. Thanks for coming on the show.

00:49:07.380 Thanks for fighting the fight. I'm sure most of our viewers are already very familiar,

00:49:11.100 but folks, if you're not, please visit spencerfernando.com. And I think you'll,

00:49:17.180 you'll find an outstanding source of commentary, but also, as I'd like to point out,

00:49:21.180 Spencer's one of the quickest guys out there. If there's breaking news, you'll probably read it

00:49:26.420 on his site first. Great to see you, my friend. All right. Take care. All right. There you have

00:49:30.360 it. Spencer Fernando. Stay with us more ahead. Hello, welcome back on my show last night. Andrew

00:49:45.740 Patriot writes, World Health Organization equals China. Yeah. Well, it's one of the five UM commissions

00:49:52.780 that they control. Daryl writes, this was released as an emergency measure only. This thing has not

00:49:59.340 been studied long enough and thoroughly enough to take the gamble on a child's wellbeing, especially

00:50:05.020 when children that do contract COVID-19 will recover with little to no deaths. Yeah. That's what

00:50:10.920 I don't understand. I mean, if this thing were like Ebola or leprosy that just had such a terrible

00:50:17.560 mortality rate, I'd say it's worth the risk. You got to try something. You got to go full

00:50:21.800 experimental, but we're more than a year into this thing. We realize it has a very low mortality rate

00:50:26.820 for kids. Whereas these vaccines are what's risky and not tried. I think, I think we have to go to the

00:50:34.120 normal FDA rules for approving vaccines. I'm not anti-vax by nature. It's just rushing a new genetic

00:50:44.020 therapy vaccine for a disease that we now know doesn't really hurt kids. Why are we doing that

00:50:50.660 other than to benefit the pharmaceutical companies? That's our show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf

00:50:57.160 of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

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Rebel News Podcast - June 25, 2021

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Justin Trudeau has introduced the worst censorship law of any western democracy

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