Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Liberal rot stinks up controversial leadership vote

00:00:00.360 Hello, my friends. I want to take a deep dive into the leadership contest vote results for the Liberal Party.

00:00:07.440 And you might say, Ezra, that's boring. We already know the winner.

00:00:10.100 We already know that almost 90% of the vote went to Mark Carney.

00:00:14.320 Okay, and if that's all I knew, I wouldn't dispute it.

00:00:17.660 But I started going through, riding by riding, and the vote is almost identical in every single riding in the country.

00:00:24.960 And I thought, that just can't be right.

00:00:27.600 Let me take you through it, and I think I'm going to blow your mind.

00:00:32.200 Before I do, let me invite you to get the visual version of this podcast.

00:00:35.660 I want to show you the statistics I'm reading from.

00:00:38.360 This is from the Liberal Party's own page.

00:00:40.520 You've got to see this with your own eyes to believe it.

00:00:42.380 Just go to rebelnewsplus.com, click subscribe, and there you go.

00:00:57.600 Tonight, Mark Carney is selected as the new Liberal Party leader, and the person who will be your Prime Minister, whether you like it or not.

00:01:10.040 It's March 10th, and this is the Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:12.340 You're fighting for freedom!

00:01:15.640 Shame on you, you censorious bug! 0.97

00:01:18.780 What a weekend! 0.96

00:01:29.440 I'm not going to say it was a spectacle.

00:01:31.240 I'm not going to say it was spectacular.

00:01:32.840 It was actually sort of the opposite.

00:01:35.220 400,000 people had registered to vote for the Liberal Party leadership, but only 150,000 did vote or were allowed to vote.

00:01:46.320 The phrase that the Liberal Party uses is, they were verified.

00:01:50.040 So if you have 400,000 who registered, but only, let's say, approximately a third of them were permitted to vote, a lot of explaining is necessary.

00:01:59.860 I mean, if you had a vote for your local mayor, and there were, let's say you were in a small town, and there were 4,000 people who were registered to vote, and in the end, only 1,500 people were allowed to vote, or the rest were spoiled ballots or in some way disqualified, so more were disqualified than were qualified, you would have a lot of questions.

00:02:22.700 If it was 1% or 2%, no problem.

00:02:24.620 So, such a strange factoid, and then to learn that the proportion in every district was almost identical, too much there.

00:02:34.240 I want to show you my analysis in real time today on our live stream as I discovered some of these anomalies.

00:02:41.900 I'm going to talk a bit about that, and then I'm going to interview my old friend, Stephen LeDrew.

00:02:45.600 He was the president of the Liberal Party of Canada when it transitioned from Jean Chrétien as the leader to Paul Martin.

00:02:51.960 There were very rancorous times back then, but as you'll hear him tell me, even back then, things were more orderly and more serious than they are under Justin Trudeau and Mark Carney.

00:03:01.800 Let me speak candidly to you.

00:03:04.740 I do not trust the Liberal vote.

00:03:07.380 I don't know if there was foreign meddling or if it was just an inside deal.

00:03:11.680 I remember watching the leaders' debates between Frank Bayliss, Karina Gould, Christophe Freeland, and Mark Carney, and I thought, this isn't a debate.

00:03:20.440 This is already a done deal.

00:03:22.100 They're collaborating.

00:03:23.440 They're not competing.

00:03:25.380 They weren't always trying to shoot at the front runner.

00:03:27.420 In fact, one of the most astonishing moments was when Mark Carney misspoke in French and said, we all support Hamas. 0.87

00:03:34.480 Obviously, he didn't mean that.

00:03:36.580 Christophe Freeland corrected his French form and saved him from that instead of going in for the kill.

00:03:41.140 My point is, this was not a real election contest.

00:03:44.600 It was fake.

00:03:45.180 It was a selection.

00:03:46.820 It's the kind of thing that a World Economic Forum board member like Mark Carney is expecting in his life.

00:03:53.340 Things made easy for him, even easier than was made for Justin Trudeau.

00:03:58.020 Here, watch this extended excerpt from the live stream today as I take you through it, and you tell me if I'm wrong.

00:04:03.880 And then on the other side, I'll introduce my friend Stephen LaDruy.

00:04:06.600 Take a look.

00:04:11.140 268 abstained.

00:04:15.220 Hey, let's go through writing by writing.

00:04:16.900 I didn't see that.

00:04:17.920 Just scroll down a little bit.

00:04:21.000 Were there any districts?

00:04:23.860 Okay, so it looks like we're in Newfoundland there.

00:04:26.040 Scroll down.

00:04:26.880 Let's go to, what's Christophe Freeland's own district?

00:04:29.780 Is it universities?

00:04:31.100 Is that what they call it?

00:04:32.300 There it is.

00:04:33.060 So scroll up to the very top.

00:04:36.120 I just want to see which category is which person.

00:04:39.600 So the very first name is Frank Bayliss.

00:04:43.920 So it's Frank Bayliss, then Mark Carney, then Chrystia Freeland, then Karina Gould.

00:04:48.700 So it is in alphabetical order.

00:04:51.900 Do you see that?

00:04:52.660 So the column on the left is Bayliss, Carney, Freeland.

00:04:55.340 And so let's put up University Rosedale again.

00:05:00.620 So show that on the screen and just highlight that line.

00:05:05.500 So remember, the first number is Frank Bayliss.

00:05:08.920 He got 32.

00:05:09.880 The next number is Mark Carney, 1,322.

00:05:17.280 The next number is Chrystia Freeland, 188.

00:05:21.400 And then the last number is Karina Gould, 51.

00:05:31.660 Do you mean to say, are you seriously saying

00:05:37.480 that in University Rosedale, Chrystia Freeland's own district,

00:05:44.280 are you saying that Mark Carney walloped her by, like, what's that, sixfold?

00:05:54.240 Like, by six times as many?

00:05:55.840 Let me do some quick math here.

00:05:59.680 You have 32 for Bayliss.

00:06:02.540 Forgive me, I'm just doing, I just can't believe this number.

00:06:04.760 1322 for Carney, what's that, 188 for Freeland, and 51 for Gould.

00:06:14.520 That's a total of 1,593 in University Rosedale.

00:06:21.260 I find that credible.

00:06:24.460 So our hero, am I doing this wrong?

00:06:27.680 Jump in if I'm doing this wrong.

00:06:29.940 Bayliss, Carney, Freeland, Gould.

00:06:33.600 So, 188 divided by 1593.

00:06:40.380 Are you saying that Chrystia Freeland only got 11.8% of the vote in her own riding?

00:06:49.760 Only 188 people?

00:06:52.480 I'm sorry I don't believe it.

00:06:53.980 I mean, I find Chrystia Freeland as unlikable as the rest of you do. 0.99

00:06:56.820 I don't believe it.

00:07:02.480 What's the, what's the, let's check Karina Gould. 1.00

00:07:05.900 I think she's, Karina Gould.

00:07:14.820 She's in the district of, oh, I just forgot.

00:07:18.140 I'm just looking it up here.

00:07:20.960 Burlington, that's right.

00:07:22.160 Can you find the Burlington numbers?

00:07:24.560 And put it on the big screen and we'll look for everybody.

00:07:27.820 So remember how it goes.

00:07:29.520 The first, this is alphabetical.

00:07:31.180 And Olivia, I'm counting on you to stop me if I'm doing it wrong.

00:07:34.220 So 22 for Bayliss.

00:07:36.840 818 for Kearney, 47 for Freeland, and, well, 190, it looks like, for Gould in her own district.

00:07:52.180 So, again, are you saying that four times as many people voted for Mark Kearney as voted for Karina Gould,

00:08:00.020 and a politician and a cabinet minister in her own district can only muster 190?

00:08:07.180 In fact, can you scroll through this right now?

00:08:09.760 Is there a single district where Kearney didn't come in first?

00:08:13.940 I'm just looking here.

00:08:16.720 Go to Brampton.

00:08:17.860 Let's see if this held in ethnically diverse, very diverse places like Brampton.

00:08:25.280 Yeah.

00:08:26.400 Okay, yeah.

00:08:27.560 Let's do Brampton.

00:08:29.180 Yeah, either one.

00:08:29.700 Let's do Brampton West there.

00:08:30.780 Let's take a look.

00:08:35.280 So Brampton, for those of you who don't know, is sort of west of Toronto.

00:08:38.980 And it's about 80 or 90 percent new Canadians.

00:08:44.440 A lot of Sikh community there.

00:08:47.400 So in Brampton West, and I'm just picking a district in Brampton.

00:08:51.680 So they have six votes for Frank Bayless, I believe it, 228 for Kearney, 12, like almost single digits for Freeland,

00:09:05.660 and just four for Gould.

00:09:08.720 So you're saying that in Brampton, that's all the votes there were.

00:09:20.800 Normally, the nominations there have thousands of people.

00:09:25.960 Scroll up to the very, very top.

00:09:27.320 I want to make sure I'm looking at the numbers right and that I understand what we're showing here.

00:09:31.360 Scroll up to the very top of the document.

00:09:33.160 Yeah, votes, and then they break down the votes into points, which is basically, they turn it into a percentage.

00:09:48.380 What's the lowest place for Kearney in the whole country?

00:09:50.960 Scroll down.

00:09:51.400 Let's just look at this together.

00:09:53.240 Look, he's getting high 80s and 90s in Newfoundland.

00:09:57.120 Keep scrolling.

00:09:57.680 And now we're in, yeah, Acadie Bathurst.

00:10:03.440 So now we're in New Brunswick, high 80s and 90s.

00:10:09.300 Abitibi Bay, that's, I think that's in Quebec.

00:10:13.460 Stop there for a second.

00:10:14.600 Go up just a touch.

00:10:16.660 So Abitibi Bay James, Nineveh. 0.51

00:10:19.880 I think that's in the far north of Quebec.

00:10:24.420 Abitibi Bay James.

00:10:28.680 Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's really in the far north.

00:10:37.380 Hold with me for one second.

00:10:42.560 Yeah, that's the huge, huge district that is so large.

00:10:48.020 It's this vast, vast northern place.

00:10:53.600 But do you see what I'm seeing there, Olivia?

00:10:55.740 In Australia, 16 people voted.

00:11:00.740 16, right?

00:11:03.320 12 for Kearney, 3 for Freeland, and 1 for Gould.

00:11:07.720 You're saying only 16 people in that entire, now it's a very sparse place, but only 16?

00:11:18.720 I don't even know what to make of that.

00:11:25.180 Go to Calgary.

00:11:26.160 Can you type in Calgary?

00:11:27.980 I know we're spending a little bit of time on this.

00:11:29.720 Yeah, let's look at Calgary heritage.

00:11:34.540 That's sort of a very conservative place in Calgary.

00:11:38.100 Yeah, the votes here are very similar.

00:11:42.500 Look at the percentage on the right there.

00:11:44.940 Yeah, he's just getting in the mid-80s here.

00:11:48.240 It's all so uniform.

00:11:50.180 Would you agree with me that it's all extremely uniform?

00:11:52.320 Like, is it really possible that in every single district, how can you have so little variation?

00:12:05.560 I'm just looking at that.

00:12:07.060 I'm just, now I'm looking at the column, the third from the right, because I'm just, oh, pause for a second.

00:12:11.600 So let me explain to you what these columns are.

00:12:14.960 The four columns on the left, put it back up for a sec.

00:12:18.120 Yeah, perfect.

00:12:18.900 The four columns on the left are the raw vote count, right?

00:12:23.520 So in Avalon, which is a beautiful part of Newfoundland, eight for Kearney, 252, sorry, eight for Bayless, 252 for Kearney, 24 for Freeland, four for Karina Gould.

00:12:32.980 That's the raw votes.

00:12:34.280 Do you see it says that there, votes?

00:12:36.380 And then the next four lines, they've converted that into a percentage.

00:12:40.660 They call that points, which is just what it sounds like.

00:12:45.840 So if you want to quickly see the percentage of any candidate, you don't have to figure it.

00:12:54.060 I foolishly did the calculations there a minute ago.

00:12:57.440 I didn't need to do the calculation because they sort of do the calculation for you, right?

00:13:03.200 So scroll down and tell me if this, you know, it's so weird.

00:13:07.540 But the statistical likelihood of Mark Kearney getting between 85 and 95, like, yeah, put that up and just scroll it.

00:13:21.540 Let's just scroll through it.

00:13:23.580 Like there's no, yeah, put it up on the screen.

00:13:25.940 And just scroll.

00:13:30.280 I'm looking at the Kearney percentage.

00:13:32.940 90, 79, 82, 82, 84, 86, 83, 87, 88, 87, 88, 87, 88.

00:13:41.160 Oh, 92, big deviation.

00:13:43.120 87, 96, 90, 91, 85, 84.

00:13:46.740 Okay, there's a low one, 76.

00:13:48.320 88, 88, 87, 88, 87, 87, 86, 88, 89.

00:13:54.500 You're telling me this is random?

00:13:58.480 87, 82, 80.

00:14:00.060 Are you telling me that in every single district from the west to the east, from the north to the south, that it's all within this tiny bandwidth?

00:14:07.160 86, 87, 86, 87, 86, 87, 86.

00:14:11.520 I'm sorry, I'm sorry I don't believe it.

00:14:13.100 Are you telling me that there was a grand total of, and no matter what the numbers are, like we showed you how few people voted.

00:14:22.620 Stop for a second there.

00:14:23.940 Look at that line.

00:14:24.460 I'm just picking a line at random.

00:14:25.800 Scroll up a tiny bit.

00:14:27.600 Scarborough North.

00:14:30.100 So few people voting there.

00:14:33.120 Do you see that line?

00:14:34.180 Five for Bayless, 174 for Kearney, 13 for Freeland, and four for Gould.

00:14:40.880 And wouldn't you know, so that's such a small number of, if you know anything about Scarborough, that is a political place, especially for the liberals.

00:14:48.180 What's the total vote there?

00:14:50.580 179, 189, 194.

00:14:53.080 Like less than 200 people.

00:14:54.220 Are you seeing that less than 200 people in Scarborough voted?

00:14:57.540 I know Scarborough a little bit.

00:14:59.020 I don't live there, but I know it a little bit.

00:15:02.420 And wow, what are the odds?

00:15:04.640 Mark Carney gets 88.78% there.

00:15:08.180 Keep scrolling.

00:15:12.320 Scroll down.

00:15:13.220 Let's just take a look.

00:15:14.860 No matter the city, no matter the town, rural, urban, north, south, francophone.

00:15:21.480 Like, I just can't believe it.

00:15:24.300 I do not believe it.

00:15:26.280 And it's so, what are the odds?

00:15:28.460 I don't think this is statistically possible.

00:15:31.560 This is a one in a billion.

00:15:32.860 Like, I'm looking at that number of Carney votes as a percentage of points.

00:15:37.900 There's the odd one.

00:15:39.160 Like, stop right there.

00:15:40.000 Battleford's Lloydminster Meadowlake.

00:15:41.740 I know that place.

00:15:42.900 That's sort of central western Saskatchewan.

00:15:48.060 So, it does not surprise me that the grand total of voters was 64, 73, 78.

00:15:55.320 You see that?

00:15:56.660 Battleford's Lloydminster Meadowlake.

00:15:58.880 Five people voted for Bayless.

00:16:00.840 Who are they?

00:16:02.120 59 for Carney, nine for Freeland, and five for Karina Gould.

00:16:07.440 This is, this is impossible.

00:16:15.520 Olivia, this is not real.

00:16:19.080 Those are not real numbers.

00:16:21.680 It is, I do not believe that out of, I think it is 338 districts right now.

00:16:29.060 Let me check how many electoral districts in Canada.

00:16:35.000 I think there's 338.

00:16:37.440 That's expanding to 343, but I don't think that's what's in here.

00:16:47.600 Either way, let's say 340 districts, whatever it is.

00:16:53.300 We just scrolled through them all.

00:16:58.060 What is the statistical likelihood of every single riding, rural or urban,

00:17:05.380 northern or southern, eastern or western, English or French, new Canadian or old stock,

00:17:10.780 that every single one is within this tiny bandwidth on every, and the only places that

00:17:20.140 are a tiny bit off are when the numbers are so small, they really couldn't be broken down

00:17:24.220 differently.

00:17:24.680 That is, I call BS.

00:17:32.080 I haven't taken a statistics class since college.

00:17:34.680 I really enjoyed it, by the way.

00:17:40.300 What we witnessed there is, in my lay judgment, statistically impossible.

00:17:44.560 I'd like you to play a couple of minutes of the opening of one of the quirkiest movies I've ever seen.

00:17:53.300 It's called Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead.

00:17:59.120 Who are they?

00:18:00.480 Those are not Jewish names, even though they sound that way.

00:18:02.900 They're Danish names, I think.

00:18:09.480 And they're two minor characters in the play, Hamlet.

00:18:15.560 And so it was a fun Hollywood movie where they made the whole movie.

00:18:21.320 Who are these two characters in this Shakespeare play?

00:18:24.260 It was a very quirky movie.

00:18:25.400 And it was about 30, 35 years ago.

00:18:33.960 You'll recognize Gary Oldman and Tim Roth, who have gone on to a great success in the theater.

00:18:42.560 Can I play for you this opening scene?

00:18:47.380 And you'll understand fairly quickly why I'm showing it to you.

00:18:49.900 Go ahead and play it.

00:18:55.400 It's a strange start to a movie, but it gets stranger.

00:19:00.520 Take a look.

00:19:03.480 This is Tim Roth, Gary Oldman.

00:19:07.560 Um, uh...

00:19:08.560 It's a coin.

00:19:28.980 Whoa.

00:19:30.100 They found a coin.

00:19:32.800 Is it a lucky coin?

00:19:34.000 What would happen if Mark Carney picked up that coin and tossed it?

00:19:44.660 Would it be heads or tails, do you think?

00:19:49.520 Hmm.

00:19:49.920 Hmm.

00:20:04.000 Heads.

00:20:04.320 Heads.

00:20:04.960 Heads.

00:20:05.340 Heads.

00:20:05.380 Heads.

00:20:05.540 Okay.

00:20:08.360 Heads.

00:20:08.920 Oh, okay.

00:20:12.860 Heads.

00:20:13.420 Again.

00:20:14.040 Huh.

00:20:17.340 Heads.

00:20:17.800 Really?

00:20:18.220 Four times in a row.

00:20:21.760 Heads.

00:20:22.240 Oh, five times.

00:20:25.760 Heads.

00:20:26.580 Really?

00:20:28.240 That's quirky.

00:20:29.260 Heads.

00:20:29.620 Heads.

00:20:36.720 Heads.

00:20:37.660 Mark Carney, 86%.

00:20:39.000 Heads.

00:20:41.180 Mark Carney, 85%.

00:20:43.400 Heads.

00:20:47.020 Mark Carney, 87%.

00:20:48.440 Heads.

00:20:51.900 Mark Carney, 90%.

00:20:53.360 Heads.

00:20:55.860 Mark Carney, 84%.

00:20:57.680 Heads.

00:20:58.200 Mark Carney, 85%.

00:21:00.200 Heads.

00:21:02.320 Mark Carney, 85.9%.

00:21:04.200 Heads.

00:21:07.880 Mark Carney, 86%.

00:21:09.200 Mark Carney, 82%.

00:21:12.740 Mark Carney, every time.

00:21:15.460 Heads.

00:21:16.460 Mark Carney.

00:21:17.900 What are the odds of a coin toss being heads 100 times in a row?

00:21:28.200 The answer to that is 1 over 2 to the power of 100, which is an incredibly small number.

00:21:33.520 But what are the odds, by the way, of the next one?

00:21:37.020 Let's say you had heads 100 times in a row.

00:21:39.340 What are the odds of the next one going heads?

00:21:41.420 The answer is actually still 50-50.

00:21:45.460 Now, I just said 2 to the 100th power.

00:21:47.600 What if you flip a coin 100 times and you get heads 100 times in a row?

00:21:54.660 The number wouldn't even fit on a calculator.

00:21:57.180 It would be so small.

00:21:58.200 But what if you did 338 districts?

00:22:03.680 And every single one, Mark Carney won, by almost exactly the same margin, plus or minus a couple

00:22:14.240 of points, what are the odds of that?

00:22:18.740 Well, what are the odds of getting heads in a coin toss 100 times in a row?

00:22:24.220 So small, I can't even calculate them.

00:22:27.300 I'm going to calculate them to make my point here.

00:22:29.520 2 to the power of 100, and then inverse that.

00:22:40.120 My calculator can't even help that, can't even work on that.

00:22:43.000 But I think it's 1 over, it doesn't even fit on my calculator.

00:22:47.720 The number is so big, it takes up the whole screen of my calculator.

00:22:53.980 It's impossible.

00:22:57.260 It would be like not finding a needle in the haystack.

00:22:59.460 It would be like finding a needle in the galaxy, 1 over 2 to 100.

00:23:03.700 The odds of getting heads 100 times in a row are a grain of sand on our planet, finding

00:23:12.080 one grain of sand.

00:23:14.300 What are the odds of Mark Carney getting 85% plus or minus 5 in 338 districts?

00:23:23.780 Even in Chrystia Freeland's hometown, even in Karina Gould's hometown, are you telling

00:23:30.760 me that Chrystia Freeland could only muster 188 friends in University of Roseland, her board 0.85

00:23:39.920 alone is 30 people, her personal staff, her family.

00:23:44.720 Are you telling me that there were only 188 people in her riding where she's been working

00:23:52.140 tirelessly for a decade?

00:23:54.600 Are you telling me that?

00:23:55.800 I'm sorry I don't believe it.

00:23:57.540 Go flip a coin 100 times in a row and I'll believe that more than I believe this.

00:24:01.640 Or Karina Gould in Burlington.

00:24:04.340 Has Mark Carney ever been to Burlington?

00:24:06.680 Can he find it on a map?

00:24:07.920 Mark Carney lives in Ireland or New York or London.

00:24:10.760 I don't know where he lives.

00:24:11.660 I don't think he's ever been to Burlington in his life.

00:24:14.740 And are you telling me that he crushed Karina Gould in her hometown where her friends are,

00:24:22.580 where her family is, where her neighbors are, where her staff are?

00:24:27.340 Are you telling me?

00:24:28.440 And with the same percentage.

00:24:31.700 Are you telling me Mark Carney's percentage is the same everywhere in the country, including

00:24:37.460 in Chrystia Freeland's district and Karina Gould's district?

00:24:40.720 Oh, and I'm also supposed to believe, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

00:24:45.280 But by the way, we've disqualified two-thirds of the votes.

00:24:48.760 And by the way, we're not telling you who disqualified them or how.

00:24:52.500 And by the way, we do acknowledge that foreign nationals are allowed to participate and children

00:24:57.880 as young as 14.

00:24:59.180 But trust us, this is a secure and robust process.

00:25:02.620 And you know that because we just sent out an email about that.

00:25:05.580 Not that we're a little worried about you thinking, but we're just going to lead with that.

00:25:10.000 Hey, everybody, we had an election last night and it was really secure.

00:25:14.100 Have you ever heard anyone say that in your life?

00:25:16.440 Hey, how did the election go last night?

00:25:17.840 What happened in the election last night?

00:25:19.000 Well, it was really secure, guys.

00:25:22.000 Really?

00:25:22.740 Hey, welcome to Canada.

00:25:24.040 Do you have anything to declare at the border stop?

00:25:26.240 Yeah, officer, I'm definitely not smuggling drugs.

00:25:29.480 Well, we didn't say you did, brother.

00:25:31.900 Hey, last night, the Liberal Party had a very secure and robust election.

00:25:35.900 You did, did you?

00:25:37.520 For Mark Carney, a globalist man no one's ever heard of until 10 minutes ago,

00:25:41.260 who has three different passports, who works closely with China.

00:25:44.740 And when he was the chair of Brookfield, had a lot of dealings in China.

00:25:49.740 And do you think China and their cyber force, do you think they had the ability to crack 0.96

00:25:57.480 the Liberal Party of Canada's top-notch security?

00:26:00.300 Or just maybe. 0.99

00:26:01.580 But look at how dumb they did it. 0.98

00:26:03.680 Like, not a single riding did Mark Carney do poorly in. 0.98

00:26:07.540 Well, I've been doing TV for a while.

00:26:20.800 Before Rebel News, there was the Sun News Network.

00:26:23.920 And one of the fun things I did, even before that, was I was on a debate panel,

00:26:29.760 sometimes on CTV, later on Global News, with a counterpart on the more progressive end

00:26:35.780 of the spectrum, Stephen LaDrew was the party president of the Liberal Party of Canada.

00:26:41.040 And back then, a scruffy right-winger like me was still allowed in polite company.

00:26:46.940 So they let me go on TV, and it turned into a bit of a thing.

00:26:50.480 In fact, Global Sunday, as the show was, we had weekly debates.

00:26:54.680 I loved it.

00:26:55.880 That was before cancel culture kicked in.

00:26:58.200 That's before the internet fragmented everything.

00:27:00.760 Those were the days.

00:27:01.720 I was thinner, and I had more hair.

00:27:03.920 Well, what a delight to be joined by my sparring partner.

00:27:09.480 You might know him by his other work on the internet.

00:27:11.920 He's a bit of an internet guy, too.

00:27:13.380 He has something called the LaDrew three-minute interview, which is a great way to do it,

00:27:20.440 especially for people like me with short attention spans.

00:27:23.180 And he just started a new show on the news forum called, very creatively,

00:27:29.140 The Stephen LaDrew Show.

00:27:29.940 Joining me now is my old friend, Stephen LaDrew.

00:27:32.000 Great to see you, my friend.

00:27:32.920 It's been far too long.

00:27:34.880 It has been far too long, but you mentioned to your audience that you and I were sparring partners.

00:27:38.580 Ezra, it's taken me this many years just to recover from being beaten up by you.

00:27:43.800 Every Sunday night, I would go home to my family, and they'd say,

00:27:47.840 Why do you do this?

00:27:49.360 To come home completely beaten up, dejected?

00:27:52.580 That Ezra guy got you again.

00:27:54.300 Oh, come on. 0.87

00:27:56.280 Someday, someday, someday I may beat them up.

00:28:00.660 But we had some great shows and great distinctions of differences of opinion, and it was a lot of fun.

00:28:09.340 And those were the days when you could have differences of opinion on network TV, which is disallowed now.

00:28:17.840 If you have an opinion that's not, as you well know, Ezra, that is not followed by the president or the vice president of communications, whether it be CTV, Global, or CBC, you're not on TV anymore.

00:28:31.280 So I'm glad to be on your station.

00:28:32.720 Well, thank you very much, and you're so right about that.

00:28:35.540 Now, I remember when you were the president of the Liberal Party, it was going through an interesting metamorphosis.

00:28:43.260 Jean Chrétien wanted to stick around, and there was the rivalry with Paul Martin, and then the final transition was quite a bumpy ride.

00:28:50.280 It was pretty bumpy this time, too.

00:28:52.040 I mean, when Christian Freeland quit on the day of the budget update and sort of detonated things in Justin Trudeau's lap,

00:29:00.200 I mean, he was having a tough go of it, but that was a very dramatic moment.

00:29:04.900 What did you think, as a former Liberal Party president, what went through your mind as you saw those final machinations of Freeland and Trudeau, and now in comes Carney?

00:29:14.700 I mean, that was a heck of a moment.

00:29:17.080 Very much a very dramatic moment, as you put it, Ezra, but it's very, very different circumstances.

00:29:21.300 When Chrétien was leaving, I had the great benefit of a Liberal Party that was a party, that was Liberal, and there was a constitution,

00:29:34.560 and I'd been a lawyer for years and years and years, and I simply followed the constitution.

00:29:39.420 And some advisers for both Chrétien and Mr. Martin did not like that.

00:29:45.420 They wanted to go their way, so it was difficult, but I had the law of the party in front of me.

00:29:53.720 That law has now been changed.

00:29:56.160 In fact, it was changed by Mr. Martin's people, because they didn't want anybody to do to him what he did to Chrétien

00:30:04.560 with that constitution and the rules as to leaderships and what had to happen after an election.

00:30:13.500 So this is very, very different.

00:30:15.960 Some people say, they look at my show and they say, well, you're no longer a Liberal.

00:30:20.260 I am a Liberal.

00:30:22.300 The Liberal Party, as is formed right now, is more the Justin Party.

00:30:27.840 The executive is not what it used to be.

00:30:31.300 The rules are not what they used to be.

00:30:32.940 Everything has to change.

00:30:33.780 I'm in total agreement with that.

00:30:35.960 The president of the party works, is paid for by a cabinet minister, and you look at the cabinet.

00:30:42.360 You look at cabinet, you know, we are going through a huge change in this country, Ezra.

00:30:47.080 We used to have government, parliamentary government, by cabinet.

00:30:51.000 There were cabinet ministers who were solid and competent, and they knew their business.

00:30:57.400 There's nobody in this cabinet, of Trudeau's cabinet, who knows their business or who their business.

00:31:02.580 One or two were okay, but not like with Harper's cabinet or Mulroney's cabinet or Gretchen's cabinet.

00:31:09.300 We have had a one-man ban in Ottawa for the last number of years, and let me correct that.

00:31:17.140 A one-man ban, as far as the public is concerned, and there's a few people who run the government.

00:31:22.100 You know them as well as I do.

00:31:23.480 Katie Telford, Gerald Butts.

00:31:25.560 And now that expanded in the last few years to include Mr. Carney and Mr. Carney's wife, who is, by all accounts, a very smart woman.

00:31:37.000 And she works for Eurasia in New York City, which is a company that Mr. Butts runs.

00:31:43.980 And they receive big, lucrative contracts from the Canadian government. 0.88

00:31:48.700 So instead of having a broad-based party run by a 52-person executive with rioting associations across the country, and quite frankly, sometimes those were rioting associations and all those thousands of liberals card-carrying paid members of the party were a pain in the butt to the government.

00:32:11.080 And that's what they were supposed to be.

00:32:14.380 That doesn't happen anymore.

00:32:16.160 Ottawa running the show.

00:32:17.640 They want to continue running the show.

00:32:20.180 And they engineered the voting so that, I mean, look, you and I have seen, your audience has seen, more people voting for a college student president council than voted for the prime minister of Canada this past weekend.

00:32:35.760 This was a very, very in-house shop.

00:32:38.840 They've got their guy.

00:32:41.300 And if he is elected in a general election, we will have another government, like we've had for the last 10 years, run by the same people.

00:32:54.420 They have their views.

00:32:55.820 They have their ways of dealing with it.

00:32:57.240 I don't know if you want to go into all the policy things, Ezra, but, I mean, they want to run Canada the same way they've run Canada for the last 10 years.

00:33:03.960 It's the same people.

00:33:04.840 You're so right.

00:33:05.380 Let me bring to your attention one specific district, because over the weekend I saw that the liberals had 400,000 people register to vote.

00:33:14.840 Now, you didn't have to pay.

00:33:15.880 You just had to register.

00:33:16.740 And only 150,000 were verified and qualified.

00:33:23.400 So almost two-thirds of the voters were not allowed to vote.

00:33:27.920 But I just, I started today to go, the Liberal Party has published the district-by-district results.

00:33:33.680 There's something very quirky about it, and I want to run it by you.

00:33:37.280 In every single district, all 338, Mark Carney had 89.6% of the vote, plus or minus five.

00:33:48.560 French Canada, English Canada, the North, the South, rural, urban, Indigenous, like rural, or like really the statistical deviations were minimal.

00:34:01.660 And it's a start, like they're not a, let me read you one particular district, maybe you've heard of it.

00:34:07.840 It's called University Rosedale.

00:34:10.480 It's a riding that for many years, Chrystia Freeland has called home.

00:34:15.000 I think her family is there, her friends are there, her staff are there.

00:34:19.160 Let me give you the result from University Rosedale, okay?

00:34:21.560 I'll start by giving it to you statistically, the percentage.

00:34:26.600 Chrystia Freeland, in her home turf, got 11.8%, and Mark Carney in University Rosedale got 82.99%,

00:34:38.500 which is just a few points different than he got in every single other district.

00:34:44.580 But now let me turn that into raw numbers, okay, because I just gave you the percentage.

00:34:49.180 But in University Rosedale, where this woman lived, like just her friends and her family and her personal staff,

00:34:58.500 is it believable, Stephen, that a grand total of 188 people voted for Chrystia Freeland?

00:35:09.080 And by the way, I can do the same thing in the district called Burlington.

00:35:13.060 That's where Karina Gould, another cabinet minister who came in third or fourth. 0.96

00:35:17.580 And let me give you the stats there.

00:35:20.720 Is it believable that she only got 190 votes?

00:35:25.680 Just too different from Chrystia Freeland. 0.80

00:35:28.120 And there's Mark Carney with 76% of the votes.

00:35:31.080 So again, statistically, a couple points more, a couple points less.

00:35:34.300 Do you believe, I mean, I don't particularly like Karina Gould or Chrystia Freeland.

00:35:38.320 That's not my point.

00:35:39.000 And my point is, is it true, is it credible, that 10 years of work and friendships and community relations,

00:35:46.740 that neither of these young women can even get 200 votes in their district of 100,000 each? 1.00

00:35:51.500 Every riding is like this.

00:35:53.140 Every single one is like this.

00:35:56.340 And I call BS.

00:35:57.640 It's strange credulity that that would be the case.

00:36:02.780 But you pointed out the facts.

00:36:04.800 And to think that that was just by happenstance.

00:36:08.380 I saw it in one of the mainstream papers this morning that they're starting to get onto this,

00:36:13.580 as you have so accurately pointed out.

00:36:17.700 Hard to believe that Chrystia Freeland would lose so badly in her own riding.

00:36:22.080 Well, it's more than hard to believe.

00:36:24.580 It just doesn't happen.

00:36:25.540 You don't have a cabinet minister in a riding for 10 years and have her lose her own support in the riding.

00:36:34.740 There are, and at the outset of this, Ezra, you were talking about the numbers who were registered to vote.

00:36:42.180 When the prime minister announced that he was going to retire, there were 100,000 members of the Liberal Party.

00:36:50.400 When they cut off, there were 400,000 members of the Liberal Party.

00:36:58.100 So somebody had been out there doing some pretty fast work in four weeks, getting 300,000 members of the party.

00:37:05.000 You don't have to sign anything.

00:37:06.920 You don't have to pay.

00:37:08.520 They were just there as a party.

00:37:09.980 And then there are problems as to whether, in fact, these were actual people, citizens, dogs or cats or hamsters, and how many were going to vote.

00:37:19.780 Well, we know now the total of the vote.

00:37:22.240 But we also know that there are people in Ottawa, Canada 2020, these wonderful think tanks that the prime minister Trudeau has fostered, has benefited from.

00:37:34.440 And I don't know how they would do it.

00:37:38.640 I'm not a computer expert, as your assistant just found out when we were trying to set up this Zoom call.

00:37:45.740 But these are not people who came out and stuck a ballot in, and that there's some similarity across the country leaves a problem.

00:37:54.100 But you know what?

00:37:55.020 Listen, Ezra, he is going to be the prime minister.

00:37:58.680 Mr. Carney is, and we've already seen that he is not going to run on the record of the last 10 years, because they don't want – if they run on the record of the last 10 years, it's certain defeat.

00:38:10.840 You know that.

00:38:11.460 I know that.

00:38:12.460 1984, John Turner, fresh person.

00:38:16.260 He lost horribly because people didn't want – they didn't want that liberal government.

00:38:21.560 1993, keep careful.

00:38:24.160 Again, fresh face, new leadership.

00:38:26.000 She lost horribly.

00:38:29.260 They didn't want that conservative government in the last few years.

00:38:32.280 People, unless they have rocks in their head, Ezra, they don't want the same kind of liberal government that has strangled Canada, that has tortured Canada economically, that has left Canada in its wake in the world.

00:38:45.360 They don't want that same government.

00:38:47.040 So this government right now, with Carney in there, Ezra, is saying, oh, the real big issue of the next election is going to be who can handle Trump.

00:38:55.620 Yeah.

00:38:56.540 Yeah.

00:38:57.020 And Trump has made it easy for them.

00:38:59.040 Let me just say – you know, I was just thinking – like, I appreciate the wisdom when you said it strains credulity, because you're not saying – because neither of us know for a fact what happened.

00:39:08.000 But, I mean, I remember when I was just 20, in Alberta, there was the Ralph Klein revolution, and there was a primary, there was a leadership vote, and in the first ballot – I don't know if you remember this, Stephen – there was a woman named Nancy Betkowski who got 16,393 votes.

00:39:27.300 And Ralph Klein got 16,392 votes.

00:39:33.080 He lost in the first round by a single vote.

00:39:37.240 What are the odds of that?

00:39:39.220 Well, it was just the first ballot, so every guy with a pickup truck and a ball cap said, oh, my gosh, that was me because I didn't go and vote.

00:39:48.140 And the best thing that ever happened to Ralph Klein was losing by one vote in the first round.

00:39:55.220 So all his guys came out, and he smoked it in the second round.

00:39:58.800 It's a little bit of political trivia from the age before the internet.

00:40:03.560 So is it –

00:40:04.140 Would you have to vote?

00:40:04.920 Yeah.

00:40:06.540 Is it possible in 2025 that you have this almost perfect, you know, distribution of Mark Carney votes?

00:40:16.500 I mean, it's possible.

00:40:19.160 But, boy, I think we need an audit.

00:40:21.920 And the reason I say that is this person is immediately being installed as prime minister.

00:40:26.240 I just – I hear what you're saying about him wanting to run against Trump.

00:40:29.920 Who would like him – I mean, is it possible that this was hacked?

00:40:34.620 Yes, it was possible.

00:40:35.920 Neither you nor I know if that happened.

00:40:38.020 Who were the two-thirds that were disqualified?

00:40:40.080 Neither you nor I know.

00:40:41.760 But I just – and I don't think it's being a conspiracy theorist to say, whoa, we need to – like, we always check votes.

00:40:48.640 We always have scrutineers.

00:40:50.320 We always have a certification.

00:40:52.120 That's not being conspiratorial.

00:40:53.760 It's just you have checks and balances because it's such an important thing.

00:40:56.960 I just want to see the backup.

00:40:59.500 I just want to see – you know, I want to see their work, so to speak.

00:41:05.700 I don't know.

00:41:06.140 You know, I'm just more and more alarmed by these results the more I look at it.

00:41:09.640 I do not believe that Chrystia Freeland only has 187 friends plus herself after 10 years of political work.

00:41:17.400 I don't believe it.

00:41:18.620 I'm sorry, Stephen, I'm rambling a bit, but I just – all I can think about is how unlikely this is.

00:41:23.520 And it terrifies me because that suggests something awful is happening.

00:41:28.920 Well, you're articulating it very thoroughly, Ezra, and over the next days, more of this will come out.

00:41:36.300 You're on the forefront of it right now.

00:41:38.120 But when you talk about scrutineers, whether you are in a general election and you have liberal, conservative, NDP scrutineers,

00:41:45.520 they're always looking at what's going on with the other guy's vote to make sure that the vote is honest.

00:41:49.800 This has been the most bizarre leadership.

00:41:53.860 You look at those debates.

00:41:55.220 There are four people up there.

00:41:56.880 Did they try to cut each other a new breathing hole?

00:42:01.260 Did they try to destroy the other candidates?

00:42:04.080 No, not at all.

00:42:05.040 No, it was a love-in.

00:42:05.980 This was a happy gang.

00:42:07.220 This was a love-in.

00:42:08.140 You're absolutely right.

00:42:09.020 So in a – and also in a proper leadership, in the leadership of battles, you know,

00:42:16.340 Gretchen, Turner, Gretchen, Martin, there were scads of people, living people on either side saying they were watching.

00:42:25.060 They were watching to make sure there were no shenanigans, make sure there's no funny things going on.

00:42:29.420 I don't know, but I doubt very much whether the three candidates who did not win the liberal leadership had a whole bunch of scrutineers out there.

00:42:41.340 And how do you have a scrutineer on a computer vote?

00:42:44.280 Like, what is scrutinizing the integrated circuit, like on the semiconductor?

00:42:49.440 How do you scrutinize a computer vote?

00:42:50.800 I don't even know.

00:42:51.420 I don't know either, but I'm sure that some computer people would know that.

00:42:57.220 But the point is, I don't even think the attempt was made.

00:43:00.300 So this was a coronation.

00:43:03.280 It may have been a coronation that was entirely illegal. 0.90

00:43:10.000 And the evidence that you've just brought out, Ezra, would make one think, holy cow, there's something stinky about this.

00:43:16.700 Because you can have one coincidence, but to have 300 coincidences across the country, that's bigger.

00:43:28.220 That's more than a coincidence.

00:43:29.240 That could be a conspiracy.

00:43:30.920 Boy, and I don't want to get too far out here because, you know, there could be an excellent explanation.

00:43:38.520 There could be an explanation of some sort.

00:43:41.420 We just haven't heard it yet.

00:43:42.700 I don't want to get too far out there.

00:43:44.760 I don't want to be, you know, I quote, a denier.

00:43:49.000 But I feel like I'm the opposite.

00:43:50.520 I want proof.

00:43:52.280 And I think given that no Canadian citizens, I mean, this was an internal Liberal Party vote that allowed people as young as 14 to vote.

00:44:01.500 I wasn't asked to vote, but I'm getting a new prime minister that no one in the country has ever voted for.

00:44:07.100 I think we deserve to get some answers on this.

00:44:09.760 That's why we set up a website at auditcarney.com.

00:44:12.800 I think we need it.

00:44:13.720 My friend, it's great to catch up with you.

00:44:15.380 Give me one final word.

00:44:16.460 What are you going to be looking for in the weeks ahead?

00:44:18.420 Do you think he's going to go to an election quickly?

00:44:20.500 Or do you think he's going to try and have as many months in office as he can to build up a reputation as a prime minister before he goes to the polls?

00:44:29.180 What do you think?

00:44:29.680 I think he is vulnerable as a retail politician.

00:44:34.160 We saw that a little bit throughout the campaign.

00:44:37.860 Well, you know, he doesn't answer questions, honestly.

00:44:40.280 The whole thing about whether he knew about Brookfield.

00:44:42.900 He said, I didn't know about Brookfield being to New York.

00:44:44.800 And then a day later, somebody says, well, yeah, you signed the letter, you know, about the computer chips.

00:44:52.540 Well, that great business in Canada, the computer chip.

00:44:54.520 Well, we don't have a business in Canada, the computer chip.

00:44:56.360 There were many, many times when he showed that he is a bureaucrat.

00:45:01.460 He is not a retail politician.

00:45:03.200 So my betting is that they're going to go to the polls as quickly as possible so that if he was prime minister for six months, wait until next fall, he's going to have all kinds of luggage.

00:45:15.500 And it's not going to be nice luggage.

00:45:17.040 So they want to get out there quickly and have him established as this genius, world class, as he himself said to a British interviewer, I am an elitist who knows how things run with the world.

00:45:30.440 They want to get that out there.

00:45:33.820 And they also want out there quickly, I think, Ezra, while Trump is out there.

00:45:37.800 We don't know what Trump's going to be doing, much less tomorrow, as in four months.

00:45:44.260 So they want Trump to be able to run Carney against Trump so that they don't have to worry about the record of the last 10 years.

00:45:52.060 Because if somehow Canadians smarten up and say, you know, we didn't like that, and notwithstanding that you're telling us a new tale right now, we still aren't going to vote for you, then that's not what the Liberals want.

00:46:06.620 They want a whole fresh page.

00:46:08.520 So I think sooner rather than later, and maybe you'll invite me back on, we'll have some predictions, because the NDP are in very rough shape, too, and the Greens are nowhere.

00:46:20.620 Right.

00:46:21.140 So it's going to be the two.

00:46:22.980 Wow.

00:46:23.580 Well, it's great to catch up with you, my friend.

00:46:24.960 It's always nice to see you.

00:46:26.280 The show is called The LeDrew Three-Minute Interview.

00:46:28.980 I love it.

00:46:30.040 And you're also now on the News Forum, which is a TV channel, and the show there is called The Stephen LeDrew Show.

00:46:35.860 Thanks for catching up with me.

00:46:37.120 It's really nice to see you.

00:46:38.100 Thanks for being so friendly.

00:46:39.600 And we'll talk to you again soon.

00:46:41.180 And I'm also on the Rebel News as of now.

00:46:43.480 That's right.

00:46:44.100 There you go.

00:46:45.100 There he is.

00:46:45.400 Good to see you.

00:46:45.980 Bye, Ezra.

00:46:46.380 You too.

00:46:47.480 Well, stay with us.

00:46:48.260 Your letters to me next.

00:46:56.600 Well, that's my friend Stephen LeDrew.

00:46:58.340 He's great.

00:46:59.220 Hey, I have a few letters from you.

00:47:00.400 Let me read them to you.

00:47:01.220 The first is from Abby Normalbrain, who writes about our interview with Joel Pollack about the tariff war.

00:47:07.780 And says, still wondering what is being done about China's latest tariffs.

00:47:11.700 Nothing mentioned about Chinese products being removed from the shelves.

00:47:14.400 Oh, that is such a good point.

00:47:15.980 Donald Trump puts on 25% tariffs, and the whole world is up in arms.

00:47:20.420 And with some reason.

00:47:22.180 But 100% tariffs from China, especially targeting the canola industry and not even a tweet from our prime minister, let alone bans or boycotts.

00:47:31.960 It sort of tells you who really is the boss up here, doesn't it?

00:47:35.140 Another letter, this one from Edward Farkas, who says, can you imagine if Trump had a news briefing and starts crying?

00:47:41.580 Of course not.

00:47:42.400 That's the difference between a man and a drab and queen manchild. 0.87

00:47:45.920 Trudeau is nothing more than history.

00:47:48.220 What makes Canadians happy is his legacy around the world is nothing more than a failure.

00:47:52.220 That's your legacy, Trudeau.

00:47:53.420 Great job.

00:47:54.020 Well, he did do a lot of damage to Canada.

00:47:57.600 Now, some damage is reparable, but I think he's let in so many people who do not belong in our country who hate Canada in many cases.

00:48:05.500 And that's a bell that's a little harder to unring.

00:48:08.600 In the United States, they're engaging in deportations.

00:48:11.520 I don't even know if that's enough.

00:48:12.960 The U.K. is getting worse than ever.

00:48:14.860 And I think that Mark Carney would be on that same path.

00:48:17.520 Final letter today is from Robert Tuss, who says, excellent interview.

00:48:22.940 I think he's talking about my chat with Joel Pollack.

00:48:25.280 I don't know of anyone here in the U.S. that feels any real animosity towards Canada.

00:48:28.740 I'm from Boston.

00:48:29.560 And before I retired, I worked with many Canadians that would come to Boston to work in construction business, mostly iron workers and carpenters.

00:48:36.580 All good guys.

00:48:37.700 Well, I happen to know that in Halifax, with the terrible explosion, that World War II gunpowder ship basically exploding, killing countless people in Halifax, one of the largest non-nuclear explosions in history, it was Boston that sent help.

00:48:56.880 Boston that heard about the blast and sent men and equipment and material.

00:49:02.020 That was over a century ago.

00:49:03.420 So the bonds between Halifax and Boston are deep.

00:49:07.020 And, of course, every Canadian city has a counterpart in the U.S.

00:49:11.380 It's just as friendly.

00:49:12.800 Hopefully, we can get past this.

00:49:14.000 My book, dealofthesensorybook.com, I talk about a way that hopefully we can bridge the gap.

00:49:21.020 We'll see if that catches on.

00:49:22.440 I did some interviews today in the U.S.

00:49:24.000 Hopefully, some people will start being positive now that Trudeau is out of the way.

00:49:28.220 That's our show for today.

00:49:29.200 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:49:34.480 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:49:35.460 Thank you.

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Rebel News Podcast - March 10, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Liberal rot stinks up controversial leadership vote

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