EZRA LEVANT ｜ ＂Making a Killing＂： A Documentary Challenging the Kamloops Residential School Narrative
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A panel of experts reviews the trailer for a new documentary produced by 1BC, a political party, to talk about a very controversial subject. In fact, if you talk about it, odds are you just might lose your job.
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hello everybody an incredible show today the full length of it a conversation about a new
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documentary produced by one bc that's a political party we've got a dream panel to talk about a very
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controversial subject in fact if you talk about it odds are you just might lose your job that's
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tonight an explosive new documentary about the alleged 215 graves in canloops it's october 13th
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this is the ezra levant show we begin tonight with the horrific discovery at the former kamloops
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indian residential school in british columbia they would shave our heads and beat the hell out of you
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these are crime scenes the residential schools was a genocide of our people
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215 children were found in unmarked graves because of your white privilege you can't take our truth
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the federal government is ready to dispense 10 million dollars 8 million dollars 27 million dollars
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to find unidentified burial sites we will follow the evidence we will follow the science we are here
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for truth telling neo-tribal elites are pretending that it's been found that there's 215 children
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there's a difference between murders and children dying in the building there's no list of names of
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missing children at any of these schools that's been my battle for four years there wasn't murder there
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wasn't genocide why do you think they are holding to this mass grave story there have been all kinds of
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political gains as a result of this story this week the senate passed bill c-15 aimed at aligning
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canadian law with the united nations declaration on the rights of indigenous people that law was a
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surrender of the province they have a right to the land they own it all of it so is that what we're
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saying could someone be benefiting from land being handed away willy-nilly they're worried about
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property rights and how it could possibly affect them with the durable legislation you're not getting the
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truth it feels like there is an incredible desire to keep this down the reaction from those with various
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kinds of interests will be fierce this member's incoherent and consistently racist posturing in this
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house against indigenous and first nations denialism is hate is there an end are we ever done
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reconciling why haven't you dug in the ground yet with the millions of dollars you receive all these
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millions that are revenue that going through my ban it's not empowering aboriginal people at all because
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we have no idea where all this money's going the journey of reconciliation is a long one but it is a
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journey we are on wow absolutely riveting chilling in fact what a bold deviation from the official
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narrative an official narrative you heard the phrase denialism politicians actually proposing to make it a
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crime to disagree a crime to seek more facts before concluding that indeed 215 children were killed
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there let alone at other places this is the trailer for a new documentary scheduled to be released
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imminently produced by 1bc 1bc being the british columbia political party and joining us now is an incredible
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panel of experts if i had to choose any three people to review this film i could do no better than the
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assembled group herein dallas brody and mla for 1bc professor francis widdowson an expert in these
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matters who has been de-platformed or at least they've tried to de-platform her for her views
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and rebel news's own drea humphrey who has done her own documentary work in this subject herself
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what an incredible trailer and three incredible women to talk about it dallas let's start with you
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you are with the political party 1bc just for our viewers outside of british columbia can you introduce
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yourself and your party who are you and who is 1bc and why did you make this movie thank you ezra uh so
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okay so 1bc is a brand new party in british columbia it's only been around for about
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three months now and uh we uh formed as a result of me being expelled from the conservative party of
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british columbia back in march when i pointed out that there were zero bodies at the kamloops indian
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residential school in a tweet in a subsequent video that i did where i talked about this further
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and what we did and a couple of other people left the party at that time and one of the other
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people who left decided to form this party with me and it's been excellent since we've been going we
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have gotten all new uh we've got a purpose now to basically do what the conservative
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party of british columbia had promised it was going to do when it first formed uh unfortunately
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the conservative party of british columbia really moved away from its original mandate and so i feel
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like 1bc is now doing what i was hired to do back when i got elected in the fall of 2024.
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now it's very difficult to say some of the things that this documentary says you can see
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you're going to be called racist you're going to be called a denialist which sort of rings
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like the phrase holocaust denier they're trying to make it a grave sin uh are you ready for the blast
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of political correctness that's going to come your way uh yes i am because i've already been through
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this i was called terrible things back in march when i was expelled from the party and at first
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yes it was unpleasant but i've told many people that once you've walked through the fire of this
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you basically get used to it and you understand that it goes with the territory when you are speaking
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truth you get called names and there are huge vested interests that want to keep this truth down
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down and do not want voices like mine drea's francis's anybody's to be heard and they will
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stop at nothing they will call you every name in the book but you know what i know when they're calling
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me names that they can't make the argument with me politically let's get past the name calling and
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let's talk about the issues and that's what i'm trying to get to and so no i'm i'm ready for it and
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it's going to come it comes all the time at us but more and more people are listening and they're not
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being deterred by these silly names that they're calling people i'd like to go to professor francis
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widdowson next professor uh you have a compassion for indigenous people i've heard you talk about
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the social dysfunction and the the needs of the community yet because you refuse to acknowledge
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false facts the false accusation of the 215 quote bodies that have you know all we know is that they
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are anomalies by ground penetrating radar uh you have been hounded out of university and they've tried
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to make you persona non-grata they've tried to practically ban you from even talking about it tell us
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a little bit about what you went through simply for taking an academics scholarship approach to the
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truth as opposed to a political spin doctor's approach to the truth so i in terms of my own
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employment at mount royal university which i am demanding to be reinstated because of the fact that
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it was a mob it was an academic mobbing because of my views on indigenization uh critic critical views on
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indigenization and one aspect of that is the residential schools and by extension the claim of
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the remains of 215 children but then i started to do documentaries with simon harrogott on the claim
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the kamloops claim and i'm currently actually doing another one with him and then do the street
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epistemology at a number of universities across canada spectrum street epistemology where we would examine
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claims such as the remains of 215 children have been confirmed at the kamloops city residential school
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and you can either strongly agree or strongly disagree and i thought this was going to be my way around
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the cancellation which was happening because you don't need space to be allocated by the universities
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but now after going to university of winnipeg uh we were my cameraman and i were surrounded by an angry mob
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um my cameraman feared for his life that day on september 26th um i was assaulted roughed up
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and had you know a soft drink part of my head and my uh mats my street epistemology strongly agree
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strongly disagree mats stolen and vandalized and my my uh sound system had water poured all over it so
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things are escalating into a very nasty uh direction and this is not an aberration this is what happens
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when you demonize people and prevent them from examining the evidence which is associated with
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these claims and i think it is correct that the kamloops case is the card in the house of cards and if
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you start to pull on that card you are going to see um a collapse of the existing infrastructure with
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respect to all the aboriginal industry or what uh brody's team calls the reconciliation industry which is
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an extension of the aboriginal industry before we go any further let me just ask about that assault on you
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uh were were police called were any arrests made did uh what happened there i mean did uh do you know who
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the the attackers were were they part of a organized mob like antifa or something
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uh so the police were called by several people we have the names of about five people called the police
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the police did not come uh that is a big question as to why that occurred the uh president of the
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faculty association sent out an email at 10 o'clock in the morning four hours before i was assaulted
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saying that residential school denialists would be spreading lies on the university of winnipeg
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campus and this needed to be combated and a whole bunch of indigenous gangsters showed up
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in combat fatigues and uh so we have our the justice center for constitutional freedoms
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is at work now i am talking i have filed a police report daniel page my videographer has filed a
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police report and we are constantly we are currently getting all our documents to the police to have a
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reckoning on what took place on september 26 at the university of winnipeg that's just shocking and i
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think there's a straight line from the university administration saying combat stop this hate and
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people doing what they're told by authority it's uh it's far worse than mere name calling it i mean it's
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violence and i and i do say if the shoe were on the other foot if it was an indigenous activist
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who was mobbed by let's say white uh like the proud boys and not i mean like a that's a demon that the
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left i think imagines i think the police would be all over and it would be a top news story in the
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country um let me ask you one more thing about the role of the cbc state broadcaster uh professor
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widdison i i i had the pleasure it was an absolute pleasure of listening to a recording you made when
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you were interviewed by a cbc reporter and there's just one place the part i want to play briefly
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where you were asked why you insist on being skeptical to this central claim the 215 dead bodies
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uh other politicians have said mass grave which is even more dramatic and less supported by the
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facts um and the cbc reporter said basically can't you just accept it as a as a political favor can't
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you just suspend disbelief and go along with this socially accepted statistic let me play the clip of
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the cbc practically pleading with you to stop asking questions here it is i'm i'm wondering why
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it's so important to you to discredit this uh i i believe in the truth i think the truth is important
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do you think the truth is important i'm gonna ask um do you
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you should read grave error uh i think you really need to read that book because you do not have an
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understanding at all ma'am i don't need that from you thank you well you are a seriously incompetent
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journalist and this is what the cbc has sunk to these days i don't think that you accusing me or
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shouting at me is very helpful to your case well i don't really think i'm shouting at you i'm just
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telling you for someone who is here doing an interview on this case please stop please stop that's
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enough this interview is now over thank you for your time well you're gonna hear more about this
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professor widdowson what do you make of the cbc i think right there they basically admitted
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that what you said is true but can you please just stop being inconvenient with your truth
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and this is the big problem is that the pursuit of truth has been destroyed in universities in journalism
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and so on and interestingly the cbc office is right across the street from the university of winnipeg
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the cbc just took it upon itself that it was not going to cover that horrible sequence of events that
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took place that day because they are trying to support the activism of the aboriginal industry
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which benefits a very small group of lawyers consultants and neo-tribal elites but leaves the
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marginalized aboriginal population without any assistance to help them overcome the terrible
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problems that they are currently facing you know one of the things that came through in your interview
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with the cbc by the way in my mind was your compassion for actual problems on indian reserves and in the
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community and it seems to me that so many progressive activists would rather debate you know abstract ideas
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or emotions rather than actually fixing the problem on reserves i know that's something that you and
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professor tom flanagan have talked about before but let me move on to rebel news's drea humphrey who was
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a very early uh reporter on this subject drea uh your documentary film the buried truth why don't you tell
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us a little bit about that and how you physically tried to find the truth on the ground by driving
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to kamloops tell us a little bit about your experience in trying to be a detective on the ground
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you know the crazy thing is as a citizen journalist it was so confusing to look around at my peers in
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media and say why is no one asking the obvious questions how on earth did the kamloops ban come up with the
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precise 215 children's remains some as young as three years old with gpr i'm going to backtrack
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before the documentary on the one year anniversary to my first report i went out there believing um
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something must have been discovered who on earth could make something up and as i got there and i'm
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researching along the way um as my cameraman is driving like gpr is you're not able to make a claim
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like this what am i missing here so i remember my first report on this unlike any other person i saw
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in media was you know many questions still remain about what lies beneath the soil and then i just
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kept following it over a year and it kept becoming more and more unbelievable especially in july of 2021
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where we're waiting for that report which is going to explain it all coming from dr sarah boulier or
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and uh she gets up there and starts rewording what the world believes to be true she's no longer
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referring to them as children's remains and her report when it came out said probable graves um
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anomalies words like that and of course that didn't catch like wildfire that good news that they had not
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found the bodies did not sweep across the nation so a year around a year after we went to kind of just
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prove that to date no bodies have been found that was now three years ago we offer that for free because
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sadly still so many people don't know that simple truth you can find that at cam loops documentary.com
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and to you know piggyback on what dr widdison said it is escalating the closer we actually get to truth on
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this issue despite the the phrase truth and reconciliation the more hostile it gets i've had
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my you know some of my speaking engagements being targeted in victoria i had someone literally go to
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the city and saying you're letting a residential school denier in i've had protesters thankfully i
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didn't experience what dr widdison experienced although rebel did have a security by my side
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um but you know a swarm of people uh the marxist mix of trans activists and i guess residential
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school deniler asked activists calling me that but really i'll say it again it's good news that not
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just at kamloops but also at the over 100 bands that have made similar claims of these nefarious graves
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not a single body has been discovered to date you know uh one of the interesting scenes in your
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documentary documentary cam loops the buried truth was when you accidentally i think bumped into the
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chief i think it was an unscripted unexpected moment and holy smokes did she quickly uh once she realized
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that you were from the news did she shut that down quickly here's an excerpt from uh drea's documentary
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published by rebel news the buried truth take a quick look at this
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there's a sign right here that says you can't go over there right yeah
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where she's gonna go which way is she gonna go down there i'd imagine that's the office
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do you know why the crosses are no longer there along with the missing women and children um yes i do
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um they are so i've done a few reports on it and i think the main uh question most people ask is what is
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the timeline for excavation to find out you know what happened in this grave site well for myself again
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we didn't have a scheduled interview okay and two uh we are still working out and we have just been
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assigned an intern officer that has been you know as a board of the press release with uh with minister
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meddy and with minister um uh art miller okay i said that a couple days ago so that's also on the
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website oh so it is going to happen there's going to be yes i'm not saying there's going to be excavation
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but we are going to work for steps to determine what's going to take place and that's why the
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intern officer the special intern officer has been identified and working through those steps awesome
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that's great i just you know i work for the people yeah i speak the truth yeah and i'm upholding our
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elders our survivors i'm upholding the of my graves with dignity and with honor and with utmost respect
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well that was sticky but at least we got some more answers for the public after a year of trying to do
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so drea i would think that if someone had jurisdiction over a crime scene and and the
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chief of an indian band has a lot of power i would say even more than a mayor would in a city that i
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would leave no stone unturned to find the truth to excavate extremely carefully and with great
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sensitivity if it were indeed a crime scene with bodies there you would want to be careful but it's
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been the opposite not just no investigation but no answering questions what did you make of that
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and have you seen the chief or anyone else from the band or anyone else from the police have you seen them
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provide any information like it just doesn't look like they want the truth to come out yeah as soon
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as i started asking where what's going on with this money will you be excavating it was shut down
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and that was after a year of trying to get a hold of the chief or the media they any if you asked any
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questions that didn't go along with the narrative it was shut down um and that's the same thing that
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the latest narrative as far as anybody asking a question they don't like is that those questions
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are founded in white supremacy that's exactly what that band came out and said it's not just residential
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school denialism which no one's actually doing now it's white supremacy if you ask these things clearly i'm not
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a white supremacist um and it's it's similar with the more recent claims from the seashell band
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just in august saying oh look we found uh you know 41 i believe more graves with gpr again and you know
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getting their installment of funds in again and saying but we're not going to take any questions we're
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going to do this very sensational uh you know piece for the world to share and let you know as well no
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questions right now you know i should note and it's not important to me i i like to think i judge
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people by the content of their character not the color of their skin but not only are you black you
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are indigenous yourself i i don't think that that stops you from wanting the truth in fact if anything
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it might motivate you more to find the truth so i'm grateful for your journalism in dallas um this
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we've just played the trailer to your film and it's coming out shortly tell me how you plan to
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distribute this because i am just going to guess that the same mainstream media or regime media as i
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sometimes say that has blacklisted you and demonized you i'm going to think that they're either not going
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to mention this film at all or if they do they're going to condemn it as racist etc but i think they're
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they're going to just ignore it completely to try and cut off all oxygen what are your plans to
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distribute your documentary well we are planning to have a private screening in advance and then after
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that it will be uh on it will be on making a killing.ca it will also be released on my x account
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it'll be released on youtube and if if youtube shuts it down we'll probably pursue rumble and my yeah we've
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already making a killing.ca already has 500 000 views oh really yep the trailer already has 500 000
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views so this is it's already out there people know about it we're getting a lot of requests to
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find out when when when and i don't think they're going to be able to put this back in the bottle
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people want to know and we are we are pursuing this on the on the basis that when i kicked the hornet's
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nest of this i really didn't know the magnitude of what was behind all of this when i first
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did that one single post about what was going on at the law society of bc with a lawyer named
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jim heller and him being labeled a racist for bringing to light the fact that there were in
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incorrect things in the mandatory program at the law society that lawyers have to take about indigenous
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culture this is where he ended up suing the law society for defamation and as the attorney general
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critic i posted something saying at the law society we have to have truth and this is outrageous there
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are zero bodies found at kamloops indian residential school and what is going on over here and that's
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what started this whole thing so this is really a journey for me to go around the province we spent
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the first half of july traveling the province in a van we we had our videographer we were all traveling
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together and we went around and talked to people about how drippa undrip all of these these acronyms
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that a lot of people still don't understand what they are how they are really impacting british columbia
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and canada but our focus in this was mainly what is starting in bc because we've realized that a lot
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of people don't understand the magnitude of what's happened here i mean this documentary is about the
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residential that the reconciliation industry and how it has used kamloops and other false narratives to
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basically trigger the surrender of canada when you say drippa and undrip that's refers to the u.n
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declaration of the rights of indigenous persons which if it's adopted as a legal framework could
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put in jeopardy any claims that non-indigenous people have to land it's literally taking a land
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acknowledgement and turning it into uh a kinetic form of law so i think there's more at stake here
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than just a narrative i think there's billions of dollars of land and resources and we know as
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we know since the ndp took power in 2017 in bc our team alone we've been doing the digging into the
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numbers we found it's up to 8.5 billion dollars in just voluntary cash that's just cash cash payments
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have been made since 2017 and it's been going up and up and up and this is this is where we're headed
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um and under undrip there are three very important pieces in undrip that people need to be aware of
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the first one is that article 26 requires that we give all land back to aboriginal groups all that
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there's no qualifier there the other one it says articles 19 and 32 give a veto over all decisions made
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by the governments that are here the elected governments the third piece is that all of these
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endeavors get funded indefinitely by the non-indigenous governments yeah well that's where
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we're at that that's quite an extreme world and some might think it's unthinkable but the overton window
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is certainly shifting professor widdowson you have uh been at the center of a storm and you've not just
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at your university but the assault we just described would you say that the mania that you were subjected
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to to be de-platformed and then assaulted has it receded at all is the pendulum swinging back are
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people maybe taking a step back from the hysteria i mean i just think of jagmeet singh using the phrase
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mass grave is that still does that still have the momentum or is the truth finally getting its shoes
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laced after the lies run around the world already like has has things swung back or is it still as
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crazy as ever well it depends on where you're looking in terms of the public there is evidence that the
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public initially in a survey uh i believe it was 60 percent thought that there was a mass grave
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at kamloops more recently a survey was done which said two-thirds of the public think that more evidence
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is required to before they come to conclusions about kamloops now the survey was worded differently in
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both so it's not quite clear how much the public opinion has moved so that's one that's one promising
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area the problem is with the aboriginal industry and the allies of the aboriginal industry
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they are still as determined as ever and probably more determined with the attempts to criminalize
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what they call residential school denialism and when i was in winnipeg i discovered i talked to a
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number of elders about this and people believe that 215 children are buried in the kamloops apple orchard
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and if you deny that if you raise questions about that challenge that you are seen as someone who is
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disseminating hate and this is a very strong belief that exists in uh amongst the associates of the
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aboriginal industry um because what it is about is is destroying the truth the idea of truth so truth
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is a universal which we are all trying to work towards and weigh evidence to see whether something is
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true or false the aboriginal industry has put in place this idea of relative truth which is whatever
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the knowledge keepers what's called knowledge keepers believe to be true and that is a very destructive
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idea and if this is continuing we won't be able to have any conversations anymore because challenging
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the knowledge keepers is seen as a hateful act and we cannot move forward in terms of trying to create
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a better world for both aboriginal and non-aboriginal people unless we are firmly grounded in a sense of
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common reality you know i would go so far as to say the allegation that there are 215 bodies there is a
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conspiracy theory it's disinformation and even if it is eventually scientifically debunked
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it has been propagated so forcefully with so many resources by so many pundits and so many reporters
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that i think that even if it is debunked some people will believe it for all time they'll think
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and i and i think that that is part of it it's sort of like uh in a massive sense sort of jury
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tampering like can you get a fair trial if everyone in the town thinks you did it uh can you get a jury
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pool that is neutral i think the cbc and other media are engaged in a kind of mass jury tampering they
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want everyone to believe it just based on their insistence and to heck with what the facts say later
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dray i want to ask you one last question because uh lindsey shepard who came to fame a few years ago
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for fighting against uh woke political correctness uh at her university wilfrid laurier she's moved to
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british columbia and she was recently fired for i suppose a second time uh over this same issue tell
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us a little bit about lindsey lindsey shepard because i suppose that goes to my earlier question
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is the mania still out there and i suppose the answer is yes fill us in on the latest raya
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well absolutely it's much like dallas brody's situation where she was booted out of caucus for
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standing on this very important truth that really impacts british columbia and canadians alike the same
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thing just happened to lindsey shepard who was serving as the communications officer i believe and
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she people don't realize this both dallas brody and lindsey shepard are kind of the og as far as
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being a part of the beginning stages of the bc conservatives finding its new success politically
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almost actually winning in the last election now they've lost two for standing on truth lindsey
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shepard put out a statement a tweet not a statement just a tweet on her personal page
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on truth and reconciliation day pointing out you know how it's all basically just a sham we're
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raising the the flag on that day even though that day was birthed out of this false claim this 215 claim
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and all of the stuff that's been associated with that propaganda the understanding of the church's
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burning and so she got the boot just like dallas brody did john rustad decided she was too much
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of a liability for standing on that truth accused her of causing a provincial wide rift uh to which
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in my interview with lindsey shepard she points out it's basically just you know two two councils
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kind of like what dr widdowson was just saying about where the force is coming to shut this down
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immediately when anybody challenges the reconciliation industry so she was pregnant
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just about to go on maternity leave and kick to the curb for speaking to this issue that shows how
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explosive it is what an interesting conversation i'd like to thank drea humphrey our bc bureau chief
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who's coming to us live on location at the ostrich farm thanks for taking the time to talk to us from
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there professor francis widdowson who has been at the center of a battle both of academic freedom
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and simply finding the truth and dallas brody in mla in british columbia who has focused on this issue
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despite the political cost to herself you can find this trailer and it sounds like the documentary
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itself will be released at making a killing dot ca thank you so much each of our panelists this was a
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really a dream team to talk about this thanks for being here today thanks for having us all right
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well that's our show for today until tomorrow on behalf of all of us here at rebel world headquarters
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to you at home good night and keep fighting for freedom