EZRA LEVANT ｜ Mark Carney champions 'net zero wokeness' over profits
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The Free Speech Union of Canada is a full-time organization dedicated to freedom of speech. In this episode, we talk to Lisa Bilder, their new boss, about a civil liberties case she has taken at the Justice Centre, and I give a teaser about my investigative report into Mark Carney and his role in extorting companies to go green and leave the carbon in the ground.
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Hello, my friends. I've got good news for you. Canada now has a free speech union.
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It's a full-time operation dedicated to freedom of speech. We've got the Justice Center. We've
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got the Democracy Fund. What a pleasure to have a new NGO. We'll talk to Lisa Bildy,
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their new boss. We'll also talk to her about a civil liberties case she has taken at the Justice
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Center. And I'm going to give you a teaser about my investigative report into Mark Carney and his
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role of pretty much extorting companies to go green and leave the carbon in the ground.
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Tonight, a feature interview with the head of a new free speech organization in Canada. But first,
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is Mark Carney in trouble for trying to extort banks? I'll give you some details. It's March 25th,
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Oh, hi, everybody. We've got a big show today. We're going to talk to Lisa Bildy in a bit about
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two things. She's been defending nurse Amy Hamm out of British Columbia, who's been put through a
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five-year ordeal because she put up a billboard that said, I heart J.K. Rowling. Well, she was put
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through the grinder, including a 22-day hearing by the nursing profession because Amy's a nurse.
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This had nothing to do with her nursing. This wasn't in a hospital or anything. It was just on
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the street. But you're not allowed to have views like that. So a little bit like Jordan Peterson's
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case. We'll talk to Lisa about that and about the fact that she, Lisa Bildy, is the new leader of the
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Free Speech Union of Canada. Holy moly, do we ever need that. But let me, before I get to that,
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it's a great interview. Lisa's one of my favorite people. Let me talk to you about a little bit of
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an investigative report I'm working on right now. And I'm going to take one more day to do it right.
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So I'm going to give you a little bit of a teaser here, but I'm going to really unpack it tomorrow.
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There's this funny word, and I honestly hadn't heard of it or bothered to look it up until about
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a week ago. You know, it's acronyms. And sometimes elites use acronyms and fancy phrases to keep things
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not understandable. Like that. One of the purposes of jargon is to have like a small society that
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insiders know what's going on, but outsiders don't. It's one of the reasons why lawyers love
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using Latin phrases is just a, you know, there's an elite guild and you're not in it. The UN is awful
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for that. They, they use all sorts of acronyms and short forms and weird terms. One of them
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is G fans. What G fans. And I heard that Mark Carney was the co-chair of G fans. And I just was bored
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right away. And it's just so weird, but I Googled in the sense for Glasgow financial and not alliance
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for net zero. And that's just as boring and as eye glazing. But if you, if you dig a little deeper,
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it's actually shocking. Let me go to the homepage of G fans. Um, the Glasgow financial Alliance for net
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zero G fans is an independent. No, it's not private sector led. No, it's not initiative focused on
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mobilizing capital. That's a euphemism and removing barriers to investment in the global transition.
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Do you understand what it is that's designed to hide meaning, not to share meaning, but let me tell
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you what it means. These are people who are shaking down big banks to get them to stop lending money or
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investing in oil and gas or carbon. When they say transition, they're not talking about transgender
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transitioning from being a boy to a girl or something. They're talking about transition
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off the carbon economy, transition to shut down the oil sands. So this is a global group of elite VIPs.
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When they say it's private sector, well, that's part of it. But of course, this was a United Nations
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project. It was hatched in Glasgow at one of these UN, uh, anti global warming conferences.
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This is to kill the world's oil and gas, natural gas fracking oil sands, energy systems. And Mark Carney
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was the co chair of this for years. His purpose was to pressure companies to leave it in the ground
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while he of course, jetted around in private jets. And we all know about this. We know about ESG.
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That's the corporate version of DEI diversity, equity, and inclusion in a corporate setting.
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They say ESG environmental, social, and governance. What does that mean? Well, environmental means only
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one thing. Are you shutting down carbon? So they detest oil and gas industries. And what they do is they
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pressure companies to divest, not based on financial reasons, which is the fiduciary duty of officers and
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directors of a company, but based on ideology. Exxon Mobil, for example, is one of the most profitable
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companies in the world has been for years, it's involved in oil and gas. If you're doing your fiduciary duty to
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your shareholders, you think how can we maximize profits? Not so with ESG, they're trying to graft force into
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these companies, a new measurement, which is how woke are you? How environmentalist are you? Do you please not the
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shareholders, but Greta Thunberg? We know that Mark Carney admires Greta Thunberg. And it's one thing
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to pressure a company from the outside, to have a little protest outside their annual meeting, or to
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have a scene in, you know, some spectacle like Greenpeace does. But what these environmentalists
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have done is go in through the investors. So for example, BlackRock, which is the most famous asset
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management company, Larry Fink, the head of BlackRock, is a woke, I mean, he's obsessed with
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wokeness. And what he does is he invests his clients' money, it's not his own money, and puts it in this
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company or that company and buys an enormous number of shares. Larry Fink is, I don't know, around $20
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trillion worth of assets under management. It's not Larry Fink's money. He's investing it for his
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customers. But he says to the companies in which he invests, I demand that you decarbonize. I demand
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that you have, I mean, it would be the reason why, for example, Bud Light went fully trans. That's one
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of the ESG values, is how sensible or sensitive are you, rather, to the rainbow agenda? Where's your
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transgenderism? If you're wondering why a company suddenly goes woke, odds are it's because Larry Fink
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or other huge asset managers have demanded that the recipients of their investment do so.
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When I was in Davos this year, I bumped into Larry Fink, and one of my first questions to him was,
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why are you putting your ideology ahead of your fiduciary duty as shareholders? Remember this?
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Mr. Fink, are you going to follow Donald Trump's plan and get rid of DEI and ESG in your companies?
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BlackRock really is the opposite of Donald Trump in so many ways. You're authoritarian,
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you're anti-populist, you're top-down. Are you going to change it all in light of the U.S. presidency?
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How has Donald Trump, have you talked to Donald Trump since he was elected?
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Is the World Economic Forum a counterpoint to Donald Trump?
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Why are you running away from simple questions? Just answer a question. Have you talked to President
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Trump yet? Why are your bodyguards pushing away journalists, Mr. Fink?
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Funny enough, a couple of years ago, I was in Davos and I bumped into the boss of State Street,
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which is a huge asset management company just like BlackRock. And their boss stopped and answered
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my question. He was sort of mad at me that I dared suggest that he was doing anything other than
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following the fiduciary duty of his investors. Take a look.
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Can I ask you a little bit about State Street and ESG? Are you pulling back from it the same way
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BlackRock is? No. And why don't we just set this up formally? But no, we're not pulling back from it.
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Well, what about critics like Elon Musk who say it's a kind of reverse racism?
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Elon's got his opinion. What about shareholders who say you're putting other goals ahead of
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your fiduciary duties? You're putting cultural Marxism or affirmative action. Those may be
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political values, but they're not designed to get a maximum rate of return. If there's firms that
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are doing that, I don't know that. That's not how we do it. We have one focus, which is shareholder value,
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period. Well, then how, you just told me though, you're sticking with ESG.
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We're sticking with value. It's about value, not values. Can I ask you about state governments
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that are pulling their funds out of ESG firms, like the state of Florida, for example? Are they
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do, are you worried that the state street will be hit by divestment from companies that are rejecting
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ESG? So we only focus on creating value for our shareholders. And if you look at our track record,
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that's all that we've ever done. And what we focus on is what's, what are long-term investors need to
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be thinking about? What are the kinds of risks they need to be thinking about? And they need to make
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the decision. That's what we've always done. What were your goals? What are your goals here?
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Okay. Yeah. Why was the state street boss so worried, but the BlackRock boss, well, he wouldn't
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engage. I think one of the things that's happened over the last few years is that especially Republicans
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have woken up to the way the G fans, extortionists, I call them, operate. That they basically say,
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follow our political biases, do our political errands, or we will divest, which is not what they're
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supposed to do. They're supposed to follow their shareholders' interests. You know, they blackmail,
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they blacklist. And that could be seen as a crime, a cartel. In the United States, they have a RICO
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statute, the Racketeer Influence Corrupt Organizations. I think that's what RICO says. I'll have to look it up.
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It's usually used against gangs. But what happens if you're not trying to extort some shopkeeper,
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like the mafia, which is what RICO laws were used for? What if you're trying to shake down companies
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for billions of dollars? Mark Carney was the co-chair of G fans. And he went around the world
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by private jet, meeting with companies and demanding that they divest from oil and gas and coal. And if
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they didn't, he threatened them. This isn't my theory. This is what the United States Congress has
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concluded based on their research and their interrogation of Mark Carney. Did you know that
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Mark Carney was interrogated by the U.S. Congress about whether or not he was part of an extortionate
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cartel? Did you know that? I didn't know that because the mainstream media doesn't talk about it.
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G fans is boring to me. It's going to be double boring to them. I was going to have a big presentation
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today, but I'm going to save it till tomorrow so I can do a proper job of it. I will have that for
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you tomorrow. But for now, enjoy my interview with our friend Lisa Bildi. But come back tomorrow for the
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Well, I remember it very clearly in March of 2020, when the world went mad and all sorts of senseless, crazy,
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insane policies became law. And not just law, they became enforced as polite society, wear a mask, six
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feet of separation, don't meet for Christmas dinner, don't go to your own parents' funeral, don't have a
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wedding, don't go to school. All these insane rules with no scientific basis. In fact, some of them, as the
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former head of the FDA said, no one simply knows where the six feet of separation rules came from. It
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was madness. And the government, of course, is always at the vanguard of madness. They love an
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emergency. It gives them liberties to go beyond what they normally can do. One of the problems with that
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is it was so difficult to find lawyers to stand up to. There are some lawyers who are built as
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dissidents. I think you quite often find them in the criminal law side of things. I mean, think about
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it. If someone is an accused rapist, an accused murderer, even an accused terrorist, it is very
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socially unacceptable to be seen in their company, let alone to defend them. I mean, would you want to
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be known as the lawyer who defended Carla Hamalka or Paul Bernardo? So there are some lawyers who are
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built not to care about public fashion. And we need them because even atrocious monsters like Hamalka
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and Bernardo need a lawyer. The system requires a lawyer for it to work properly. And even monsters
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are guilty until proven innocent. Excuse me, innocent until proven guilty. My point is, it was so difficult
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to find lawyers who were willing to dissent in the mania, the moral panic of our time. I made so many
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phone calls to otherwise courageous lawyers who simply did not want to be seen, not just as taking
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controversial, but taking antisocial and unpolite points of view. I tell you, in March and April of 2020,
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it was nearly impossible to find a lawyer to stand up for civil liberties in the face
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of COVID mania. But one of the lawyers who did, one of the first lawyers who answered the call of
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the Democracy Fund to fight back is our guest today. She's our friend, Lisa Bildy is her name. And she
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joins us now via Skype from London, Ontario. Lisa, great to see you. Nice to see you too, Ezra.
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It's very hard to be unfashionable. We're social creatures. We want to fit in. We want to be polite
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company. We don't want people to like us. We want to get invited to Christmas parties. We don't want
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people to look at us funny. To be a dissenter on things often means you're going to be at best
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identified with your client, but at worst called, well, just shunned from society yourself. I think
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it's very difficult. You were a key lawyer fighting for freedom during the lockdowns, weren't you?
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Yes. I was at the justice center at the time and the whole organization just got geared up to fight
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those restrictions. So, and I had had, I guess, a taste of it before when I battled our law society
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as well. So over the statement of principles. So I guess I'm, I'm used to, to being on the so-called
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wrong side of issues. And, and once you kind of go through that experience and live through it,
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you realize that it doesn't kill you. And then in fact, it probably makes you stronger.
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Well, it certainly makes you resourceful. That's a long way of introducing you, but what I want to
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talk about today is one of your most recent clients, a friend of ours, Amy Hamm. She's a nurse
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in the Vancouver area who a few years ago did something a little bit social media influencer-y,
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but it wasn't a particularly heavy duty thing. She rolled out a billboard in Vancouver that just
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simply said, I, and then the heart symbol, J.K. Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter series.
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It's such an innocuous thing. I mean, there are quite scandalous billboards everywhere.
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Um, this just had a message that could be interpreted as standing by J.K. Rowling's
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stance, opposing transgender colonization of women's spaces, swimming pools, changing rooms,
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things like that. And she was prosecuted for five years. Tell us the story of Amy Hamm.
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Well, she, yes, it was almost, it was over four years. She put up that billboard and it immediately
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attracted the attention of activists who of course don't like you to be critical of anything to do
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with, with transgender ideology. And so complaints were made to her college. I guess she'd been
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identified by the reporter in one of the articles following the billboard as a nurse. And so that put,
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uh, that put the word out that there was a way to get at her. And that was to file complaints with
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her regulator. And a couple of people did do that. One of them was a self-described social justice
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warrior and Marxist. And, uh, he basically advised the college that they should ensure that she never
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works as a nurse again. The other one was anonymous. So, uh, so the college took it upon
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themselves to do a complete investigation of pretty much everything that Amy Hamm said, uh, on social
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media, on podcasts, in various articles that she'd written on, on gender ideology. She'd become a bit
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of a, um, well, it's fair to say quite a critic of, of gender ideology and its impact on women's rights.
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That was her focus. So there was a lot out there. And in fact, they pulled together a dossier of about
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330 pages of things that she'd said and written online. So, uh, you know, not content to, I guess,
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shut up as is maybe what was expected of her. She, uh, decided to fight it. And with the justice
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center's help, uh, she was able to do that. And it turned into a marathon hearing. We, we had 22 days
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of hearings. That's insane. I mean, I spread out over a year and a half. That's more than most
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murder trials to be candid. Yeah. And it was as stressful as, as one probably too, to be in the
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hot seat like that. And we had people from all over the world watching this case, because of course
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it's, it's a very, um, timely issue right now. There are a number of people around the world,
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especially in the UK and the United States and Canada, the Anglosphere, basically where,
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you know, women who are standing up to gender ideology are being raked over the coals and
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fighting legal battles. And some of them are successful and many are not. So, so, uh, there
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was a lot of interest in her case. Yeah. 22 days of hearing is just insane. Now, let me just
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confirm with you something I believe to be true, that there was never a single piece of evidence
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adduced in these hearings that suggested that Amy was any way inappropriate in her conduct
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of nursing. So in her actual profession on the job, dealing with patients, dealing with
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others in hospitals or clinics or other health settings, there was never any accusation that
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she actually harmed or discriminated or anything like that. This was purely an assessment of her
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external political views set on the street with a billboard and on Twitter. Is that accurate?
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That's absolutely accurate. There was not a single workplace complaint. And her evidence was that
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she had, uh, she had actually dealt with transgender patients before and shown them the utmost respect.
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She told the story of working on the downtown East side as a younger nurse and having a transgender
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patient who she was quite fond of. And, you know, there was never any suggestion that she misgendered
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anyone. She always made, made it a point to use preferred pronouns. Uh, she took all courses on DEI
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related things and, and on gender ideology or gender, gender identity in order to ensure she was fully
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informed. She read from all angles and her, her workplace conduct was respectful. So, uh, yeah, this was
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purely off duty conduct, uh, targeted by activists. Hmm. Now, 22 days of hearings. I've been through a lengthy
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process before the human rights commission. So what I'm talking about, I observe the extraordinarily long
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trial of Tamara Leach for mischief, which is the lowest species of crime in the book. And the phrase
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that comes to my mind is the process is the punishment. First of all, can you even afford a
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lawyer to stand with you for 22 days? Luckily the justice center for constitutional freedoms assisted
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with that. Second of all, who's got 22 days they can take off from work, from family. And it's a
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stressful 22 days. It's not a vacation. You have to intensely follow the proceedings. You have to
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withstand cross-examination. It's not a part, like a 22 day trial is exhausting mentally. And I'm sure
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physically too. Even if she had been acquitted, I mean, I can't even believe a 22 day hearing about, about a gal's
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tweets and her billboard sign. How many lawyers, bureaucrats, activists, complainants do you think were on the
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other side? Was it one of those typical swarms? Was it like, uh, you know, did the other side through, I mean, what kind of
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resources did they deploy against Amy? Oh, uh, you know, they had, uh, three lawyers on it, including in-house
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counsel and two external counsel that they hired. I'm sure it wasn't cheap. Um, they had a couple of
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expect, I don't know what they paid for their experts. They did have a couple of experts as well. Um, you
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know, I, and, and it was a time consuming affair for, for that organization as well. I'm sure they spent a lot
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of money prosecuting her for this. And the justice center to its great credit allowed her to have not one,
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but two lawyers for most of it, uh, bringing in Karen Bastow is, uh, another lawyer who, uh, the
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justice center put on the case. And, um, you know, she was able to fight and she was able to put up a
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strong defense. We had some excellent experts as well, who were very generous with their time. And,
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and, uh, I thought they did a fantastic job on her behalf, but, you know, it wasn't enough in this
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environment where we're fighting a very, very entrenched worldview that, um, gosh, you know,
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I, one of the things about being one of these rebel lawyers, as you say, the hard part is that
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you can do the best job possible, uh, or at least you can certainly try and you still end up losing
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a lot of these cases, probably more than, you know, than the average. I, I, I joke sometimes that
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I'm on, I walk this earth to give opposing counsel the thrill of victory because it just feels like
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it's, they're, they're all uphill battles these days.
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Yeah. You know, we have the same experience at the democracy fund. We were actually very successful
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with the tickets and the COVID, uh, uh, the app that the, uh, the arrive can app. Most of those
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have been thrown out. Um, but on the major case, so on, on the minor cases, we've actually been
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extremely successful over 90%, I would say, but on those major strategic cases that set precedents,
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absolutely we lose most of the time. And I think of the case that Maxine Bernier and Brian
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Peckford filed about being banned from traveling on airplanes during the election. I think of the
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case that we did with Kian Bextie when he flew through a airport, uh, the sort of, uh, detention
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where you had to stay in the hotel as a quarantine hotel and pay over a thousand bucks. We challenged
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that we lost all those strategic cases. The only strategic case that I think was one over the last
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half decade was challenging the emergencies act itself. It was a bit of a miracle that the federal
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court ruled that illegal, but those were about COVID matters. We're talking about Amy Hamm and
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transgenderism. Tell me what, tell me, first of all, who were the deciders? If this was within the
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nursing profession, these would not have been judges. And I imagine they were not even lawyers,
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were they, were they sort of senior nurses? Who made the decision here?
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So it was a panel comprised of two nurses, one of whom is a retired nurse, I believe,
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and one active plus a member of the public. So like many of these bodies, they have lay appointments
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to their, to their disciplinary bodies. And I don't know what her background was. I don't recall.
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But they had a lawyer who advised them along the way and very likely, you know, helped write the
00:26:13.180
decision and work and walk through the analysis of the charter and so on. But yeah, I mean, these are,
00:26:19.860
these are not people whose job it is to decide free speech issues. There are people who are there to
00:26:25.180
decide if nurses are competent, ethical, you know, are, are not, you know, stealing drugs on the side or
00:26:33.600
sexually assaulting other people. I mean, that's the normal kind of work that they would do. So
00:26:38.800
it's very weird. I went through the same thing when I was a lawyer. I mean, I, I'd never had a
00:26:42.660
complaint from a client, not once ever. I mean, I didn't do law for a long time, but you know, I had
00:26:47.140
no disciplinary history at all. All the complaints against me, and there were more than 20, were about
00:26:53.060
my politics. You know, my newspaper columns, my videos would be shown to the law society and they
00:26:59.100
would have hearings about that. Now, I mean, in the end, none of them stuck, but it was the process
00:27:05.340
that was the punishment. And I would trust a panel of a retired nurse and an active nurse. If like you
00:27:14.160
say, how is the nursing? How is the, you know, the, the scientific medical nursing? Was there an
00:27:20.400
ethical question violating the privacy of a patient? Absolutely. I would trust a nurse more than I
00:27:26.320
would trust a lawyer, but to weigh the freedom of Amy Hamm outside the nurse's station, who the hell
00:27:34.780
do they think they are? I think it's outrageous. I know for a fact that wouldn't live a day in America
00:27:39.660
under their first amendment, but alas, in Canada, we're not as free. What did these two nurses and
00:27:45.680
a lay member of the public in the end, what did they say? Well, it was interesting. I mean, of that
00:27:51.640
330 page dossier, they actually found that most of it, they would not, they would not declare it to
00:27:58.640
be professional misconduct because she didn't attribute her name or her, sorry, her profession
00:28:03.300
to it. Whereas there were three articles that she had written and a podcast, I think with Megan
00:28:08.480
Murphy that she had been on, where she did specifically identify herself as a nurse. So they
00:28:13.040
drew that, that distinction. They didn't like everything that she said on Twitter. And there were some,
00:28:18.180
some comments in the appendix to the very lengthy decision where they, where they talked about that.
00:28:23.140
But they did not use those as a basis for the finding of professional misconduct. They really
00:28:28.500
wanted to tie it to the fact that she had identified herself as a nurse, which is kind of funny because,
00:28:33.960
you know, it's pretty hard to have, just imagine like LinkedIn, people have almost their entire
00:28:38.080
resume on their page. Does that mean that every professional would have to not identify themselves
00:28:43.740
as being a professional in order to have a conversation in the public square on matters of
00:28:48.240
social policy? I mean, it's- But this is obviously one-sided. I can guarantee you that if I were to go on
00:28:53.500
LinkedIn or Twitter or any other social media platform, I could find countless examples of nurses
00:28:59.760
in support of transgenderism, of doctors in support of transgenderism. So you have a live political issue
00:29:08.280
that's basically being created from whole cloth in the last 20 years. 20 years ago, this wasn't a
00:29:13.980
thing. Now, I would say it's a debate with two sides. In fact, I would say that the, that the
00:29:22.420
Amy Hamm side has 80% public support. But even if you say, well, it's 50-50, why should only one side of
00:29:30.500
this debate be censored? I can guarantee you that the nurses of British Columbia have never
00:29:35.420
prosecuted a nurse for being pro-transgenderism. I think that they are doing what was done to
00:29:43.760
Jordan Peterson, the Ontario College of Psychologists. They're injecting politics right in the bloodstream
00:29:49.440
in the profession and essentially expelling anyone who is not politically correct. Tell me what the
00:29:56.100
ruling said. Well, that was essentially it. I mean, they, they found that she, um, she was discriminatory
00:30:02.760
and derogatory against transgender people. But let me pause right there. Discriminatory.
00:30:07.760
Discriminatory suggests you've done something differently. I'm discriminating. I didn't hire you.
00:30:12.520
I didn't give you the nursing care you, I didn't do something that, you know, having an opinion,
00:30:19.180
how's that even discriminating? Well, I argued that point. I said, you know, that you're importing
00:30:24.300
a concept here into a human rights concept into this that isn't, isn't appropriate here. There is no
00:30:30.720
suggestion that she denied anyone service, that she, that there's not even a complainant except for
00:30:36.940
people from, you know, the public who aren't transgender. So, so where's this discrimination?
00:30:42.600
Uh, but it, it didn't matter. Um, that, that was the language that, that was imported from an old case
00:30:47.440
called Kempling and they used it here. And, you know, actually the BC human rights legislation, just,
00:30:52.660
just, uh, to, to point this out, actually does have a, a prohibition against publication,
00:30:57.720
a discriminatory publication. So, you know, it's, it's kind of out there that it isn't just a denial
00:31:03.600
of service anymore, but, but, uh, anyway, that, that's what they found, um, that she was discriminatory
00:31:08.600
and derogatory because she insisted on there only being two sexes. And they felt that, and that was
00:31:14.400
one of the things. Two sexes or two genders? Two sexes. Well, now don't tell me they're saying
00:31:20.560
there's more than two sexes now. They are saying that they bought the, they, they preferred,
00:31:26.060
let's just put it that way. They preferred the evidence of the college's expert, Dr. Greta
00:31:29.900
Bauer, whose testimony was that sex is multidimensional, multidimensional. That is the new way to look
00:31:37.860
at sex. Um, I don't think that this is scientifically, you know, um, uh, uh, unimpeachable. I mean,
00:31:44.780
I'm sure that if we really had a debate about this, which we really not have been allowed to have,
00:31:48.820
uh, to date, that the vast majority of professionals would not agree that it's multidimensional,
00:31:54.060
but, but that was what they found. And as a result, saying that there are only two sexes
00:31:58.780
is exclusionary and erases transgender women or transgender. But those, you know what? I think
00:32:05.620
the word gender is BS. And as Billboard Chris always says, please defend, please define gender. And
00:32:12.620
people have a tough time with that. Gender is sort of a made up word that I think refers to how people
00:32:17.420
express themselves. I think it's another way of saying your personality, uh, in, in, on, in terms
00:32:23.100
of sexual issues. But there is no doubt that there's an X chromosome and a Y chromosome.
00:32:30.220
And we're talking about sex. I thought that was why the, the left moved away from sex to gender.
00:32:35.500
So they could get to all these blurry things like they, them, she, sure. And that's all gender gobbledygook.
00:32:43.020
That's, I thought that's why they moved away from the word sex because sex is obviously boy or girl,
00:32:48.940
male or female. I didn't know that in British Columbia, I mean, if a nurse cannot determine
00:32:55.420
what's a boy or a girl, but nurse doesn't know what a boy or girl is, maybe, maybe this goes to a core,
00:33:03.020
you know, a core competency of being a nurse. If you're delivering a baby, what do you say?
00:33:09.100
It's a baby, they, them. Like, I, I don't know. I, I, it's sort of crazy. Um, what, what was the
00:33:16.780
penalty? What was the punishment they gave to Amy for not agreeing that sex is multi-dimensional?
00:33:24.460
Well, they haven't yet. So it's a, it's a bifurcated proceeding. We have a finding now that she
00:33:29.740
is, that she, the panel has determined that some of her posts, uh, were, um, professional
00:33:36.300
misconduct. So now we have to go back for a hearing on penalties. And now, um, Amy is intending
00:33:42.140
to appeal this and the justice center is going to continue to support that. I have to work out
00:33:47.100
what the grounds are. I think there'll be some, and, and we have, you know, another couple of weeks
00:33:51.100
to get that filed. So, um, but I expect that we will be proceeding with an appeal and then we'll
00:33:56.060
have an argument about whether we can have to stay the, um, the penalty part of it until we get a,
00:34:01.500
uh, an appellate court ruling on the finding of professional misconduct.
00:34:05.980
Sounds to me like the BC nurses are spending hundreds of thousands. They may be in fact into
00:34:12.300
the millions now going after Amy Hamm for a billboard. It's sort of gross. I'm glad to hear
00:34:17.980
you're considering appealing. First of all, the misconduct side, and I'm sure the penalty side.
00:34:23.100
Um, I'm impressed that Amy Hamm, I mean, she's a, I I've, I've met her a couple of times and she's a
00:34:28.380
really normal person by that. I mean, she's like, she's not someone who is a conflict oriented.
00:34:36.060
Um, you know, she, like, she's as normal as you get. I mean, she's got opinions, but she's not.
00:34:43.980
I mean, I'm sort of impressed that she didn't collapse under the weight of the whole
00:34:50.540
system. And I'm so glad you were there and the justice center was there to give her support.
00:34:56.220
I just want to say that is around that point I have found, and I've found this a lot through
00:35:00.380
COVID too. There, there is a certain kind of person who has an extremely strong conscience
00:35:07.100
and they cannot act against it. It is painful to them to act against their conscience. And I
00:35:11.820
would say Amy is that kind of person. She cannot just speak something that she does not believe to
00:35:17.580
be true. And, um, and, and she'll suffer. I mean, it's hard, but she will suffer the consequences
00:35:23.260
in order to, to abide by her conscience. And we need people like that, but boy,
00:35:27.900
we don't make it easy for, for people like that. Yeah. Well, that's our kind of girl over here.
00:35:31.980
I mean, boy, that's, that's what we admire about her. Well, listen, I hope you keep it. So when,
00:35:36.780
so, so the next step is like you say, the penalty portion, you're going to appeal the misconduct
00:35:43.420
finding. And I presume you would appeal the penalty portion if it's anything significant as well.
00:35:49.100
And what's the rough timing on those two things? Yeah. I'm not really sure actually. Um, you know,
00:35:55.260
we're going to be entering into the court system now to, uh, to appeal the finding we're going to
00:36:00.540
the BC Supreme court. Now, fortunately it's a statutory appeal, which means that we do have
00:36:04.780
a standard of review. That's a little bit, uh, more robust. We, um, you know, the, on legal issues,
00:36:10.700
the panel has to be correct and not just reasonable. Right. So unlike say the Jordan Peterson
00:36:15.740
case where the standard was pretty deferential to what the panel had decided, we do have a little
00:36:20.940
bit more of an argument here. So, um, I don't know how long the, I don't know what the court system is
00:36:25.660
like in BC at the moment in terms of backlog, but I suspect, you know, it'll be another year or so
00:36:30.060
down the road before we have all of this ironed out. Yeah. Like I say, the process is the punishment.
00:36:34.380
Well, listen, give our best regards to Amy. We're fans of hers and, um, I'm glad you were there to
00:36:39.340
fight for it. I want to shift gears for a second while I've got you here. Uh, for a few years now,
00:36:43.740
I've been a member of something in the United Kingdom called the free speech union. And in my
00:36:49.180
view, it is the world's leading free speech organization. It's run by Toby Young, who was
00:36:55.020
recently knighted. He served Toby Young, which is sort of cool. I was sort of amazed that he was
00:37:01.260
given that standing, given that he's such a troublemaker, um, fighting for free speech for
00:37:06.860
quite a number, like for thousands of people. And the free speech union in the UK has grown quite a bit.
00:37:12.780
And, uh, and I'm really glad that they're there. I really think they're one of the most important
00:37:19.340
civil rights groups in the UK. I don't really think we have something so dedicated free speech
00:37:25.180
in Canada. The justice center does touch on free speech. Of course, the democracy fund does too,
00:37:30.220
but we don't have anything called the free speech union. I mean, I say again, there are
00:37:37.020
dabblers in that, but I was delighted when Toby said he was gonna set up versions of the free
00:37:47.020
speech union in New Zealand, in Australia, in South Africa, and in Canada. And I am delighted
00:37:55.180
to learn that you are the founding executive director, or what's your title? President of the
00:38:02.060
free speech union Canada. Tell us a little bit about it. Yeah. So, I mean, Toby sort of put out
00:38:06.940
the call for anybody in Canada who was concerned about this and wanting to, to set up an organization.
00:38:11.660
And a number of people responded, including myself and, and we met over a number of times and,
00:38:17.020
you know, people had various skills. This is an area where I'm, I'm, you know, I've been obviously
00:38:21.100
working quite a lot and I felt it was really important that we continue and add more organizations
00:38:27.580
that can help fight these cases. Because as you, as you said earlier, Ezra, there, the cost of
00:38:33.100
fighting these battles is massive. And the average person, even like the well-off person can't afford
00:38:38.780
to have a 20 day hearing. It's just, you know, I did this, you know, at a reduced rate and, and
00:38:44.300
justice center was very generous in covering it. And, but even then most people can't swing it. And,
00:38:49.420
and so then what happens? Well, they, they end up, you know, probably if they're a professional
00:38:54.060
signing some undertaking with their regulator, that they'll, they'll take their account private,
00:38:58.220
they'll be more discreet. They won't say the bad thing, whatever it is they're being called out for.
00:39:03.340
And, and we never hear their opinions again. And I just don't think that's right. And so I like the
00:39:08.780
idea of there being another way to help crowdfund. And this, so this is a mass membership organization.
00:39:14.780
That means that when people join as members, they're helping to fight these battles themselves.
00:39:18.780
They're taking an actual role in it themselves as members. And, and they'll help their fellow
00:39:23.820
Canadians stand up against this because the problem is, is if, if, if we just all kind of
00:39:28.700
let it wash over us like a steamroller, mixing my metaphors, but you know, it just, the, the
00:39:34.700
censorship beast just continues to grow and grow and grow. So even if we don't win all the cases,
00:39:40.220
we have to stand up and fight where it's appropriate to do so. And so I'm really excited
00:39:44.460
that the free speech union has, has launched now. It's a lot of work for me right now,
00:39:48.620
just trying to balance, wear two hats, but I think eventually I'll move more into just the free
00:39:53.900
speech union role. And we're, we're going to be building up a network of lawyers that will help
00:39:59.180
us with cases. We have our first case already, which I'm excited to, I'll probably come back
00:40:03.260
sometime and tell you about it. And yeah, we're going, we're going to do some great things.
00:40:07.740
And because it is just free speech that we're focused on, I think we'll fill some gaps that
00:40:12.380
the other groups as great as they are, are, are maybe not focused on. We're not a charity. We're
00:40:17.340
going to be able to work in employment situations and universities and places where the charter
00:40:21.900
doesn't necessarily apply and, and try to help people navigate cancel culture, you know, censorship
00:40:28.780
and, and regulatory proceedings like, like poor Amy's gone through. Well, I'm really glad to hear it.
00:40:33.500
And I'm proud that the democracy fund has chipped in a little bit to help get things going. And we
00:40:38.780
would love to talk to you about that first case when you're ready to talk about it. What's the
00:40:42.860
website where people can connect with you? It's fsucanada.ca. Well, there you have it,
00:40:49.180
fsucanada.ca. Lisa, it's great to hear your battles. I'm so glad you're there with Amy Ham.
00:40:54.140
I'm disappointed, um, but not surprised that, um, the wokeness won. I mean,
00:40:59.420
it is British Columbia after all, but hopefully the courts will help sort it out.
00:41:02.860
Thanks for spending so much time with us today. My pleasure. Thanks for having me on,
00:41:06.220
Ezra. Oh, our pleasure. There you have it. Lisa Bildy. Stay with us. More ahead.
00:41:22.860
Well, it's great to catch up with Lisa Bildy. I got some letters here. O'Neill Creighton says,
00:41:28.540
drive your truck around to pee in all day, every day. You're talking about our beautiful
00:41:33.820
billboard truck. That truck is given her. I'm so excited about that. I never thought
00:41:39.740
that I would set up a, it's basically a Canadian version of a super pack. I'm talking about for
00:41:44.860
Canada.ca, our third party campaign group. I never thought of it. I've been out of politics for 20 plus
00:41:52.620
years. You may know when I was a kid, uh, when I was 29 or something, I ran for parliament. That
00:41:56.860
was really fun, but that's long ago. I would, did not want to register as a political group,
00:42:01.740
but if I didn't, I know in my bones, they would have charged me for that billboard truck. And they
00:42:06.940
probably would have hit me with a six figure fine because they, they only find me, I think,
00:42:11.660
3000 bucks for the Libranos book, if I recall, but absolutely they would come at me. So I'm
00:42:18.460
registering, but that's, has opened up this whole new world to me of fun stuff we can do
00:42:23.740
in the campaign. Anyways, uh, we're just going to keep the accounting separate. We're very careful
00:42:28.460
about that. Um, but we're going to have a lot of fun. If you haven't checked it out,
00:42:32.220
go to 4Canada.ca. Not a lot to see there now, but more to come. I can promise you.
00:42:38.940
Add Salo says, Mark Carney's role as a high profile advocate for net zero commitments
00:42:44.460
is undermined by Brookfield asset management's heavily fossil fuel inclined investment strategy.
00:42:50.060
Carney stepped down from Brookfield in January. After four and a half years, he's allowed to enrich
00:42:54.540
himself though through fossil fuel investments, but not Canada or Canadians. Got it. You're so right. I
00:43:01.180
mean, that's the thing about ESG. It never applies to China or the developing world.
00:43:06.540
John Anderson 1245 says a hundred million immigrants policy would draw nobody, but the poor unskilled
00:43:14.460
undereducated and impoverished who would do nothing but consume resources, both natural and economic.
00:43:20.940
That's just plain nuts. It is, it makes no sense other than, you know, if you're in certain industries,
00:43:28.940
it's going to lower wages, drive up housing. I suppose if you're a bank, it's more customers.
00:43:35.500
If you're a cell phone company, it's more customers. There are certain businesses that would be doing
00:43:41.260
super duper if we had a hundred million people in this country, because everyone's got to have a phone.
00:43:47.260
Everyone's got to have a home, but it's at the expense of the rest of it. You simply cannot,
00:43:52.940
you cannot save the third world by putting 40 million people in Canada or a hundred million
00:43:59.420
in the United States. You can't do that. You'll wreck, you're not going to wind up saving their home
00:44:04.380
countries and you're going to absolutely economically and culturally destroy the target countries,
00:44:10.140
the sacrifice zones. Well, that's our show for today. Come back tomorrow. I'm going to have more
00:44:16.140
on this G-Fan stuff. Until then, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters to you at home,