Rebel News Podcast - July 15, 2025


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Mark Carney's portfolio reveals major conflicts of interest — so why won't he sell？


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36 minutes

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Mark Carney's list of his conflict of interests are out, and there's 600
00:00:06.120 of them. The guy, I don't know if he's a billionaire, but he owns hundreds and hundreds
00:00:12.060 of different companies' stocks, and he refuses to get rid of them, even though that means he's
00:00:17.180 going to have to recuse himself from so many government decisions. I don't understand it.
00:00:21.420 I'll take you through it. I'll try and make sense of it. But first, I want to invite you to become
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00:00:55.940 Tonight, is Mark Carney planning some other career after being our prime minister? If not,
00:01:06.800 why does he refuse to sell all of his stocks? It's July 14th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:12.080 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:01:25.940 Mark Carney's list of conflicts of interest has been published by the government. It is 16 pages,
00:01:36.280 single-spaced. Here it is, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of companies in which he holds significant
00:01:45.440 shareholdings. He filled out this form months ago, but it was only released now after the election.
00:01:52.760 It shows you how little we know about the man who was installed as our prime minister. That's why the
00:01:58.680 media party tried so hard to get us and other independent journalists kicked out of the leaders
00:02:02.700 debates, where we put a few questions to the party leaders. They didn't want questions like,
00:02:08.460 why do you have three passports? Which country did you say you were resident in, in your last tax return?
00:02:16.720 Are you holding any assets in offshore accounts like you set up for Brookfield when you were its chair?
00:02:24.880 Do you have any tax avoidance strategies you're using personally?
00:02:29.340 When was the last time you spoke with anyone at Brookfield?
00:02:33.060 And so, obviously, why won't you sell your millions, or is it tens of millions, or is it hundreds of millions of dollars
00:02:41.420 worth of stocks? Keep scrolling through the list. He owns shares in hundreds of companies, and when you own a stock,
00:02:49.840 unless you're like a child or doing it as a game or something, you don't just own one share.
00:02:54.960 You typically own in groups of a board lot, a hundred shares or more. A man of carny's seniority and seriousness
00:03:02.560 wouldn't mess around with a few hundred bucks here or there. I can't believe he would go to the trouble of adding
00:03:07.260 stocks to his portfolio for less than a hundred grand per investment. But again, we're not allowed
00:03:13.920 to know the facts, and our morally superior journalists had more important questions to ask,
00:03:20.700 like this one that they took up time in the leaders' debate for.
00:03:24.220 And from four months, all of the achievements that we talked about,
00:03:27.960 I believe it was a very rare factor for others.
00:03:30.040 But you should always buy both Americans from the United States,
00:03:30.800 have to use them?
00:03:32.320 Yes.
00:03:33.720 Mr. oceans China andbs are used to sell
00:03:36.660 So I want you to give us a ,
00:03:39.640 I want you to give us a huge answer,
00:03:41.340 in a sense of a weird answer, because in that...
00:03:46.540 being Prime Minister, I never buy pictures
00:03:51.740 That's what the media party thought would be a good question for a limited time to put to the leaders, what are you boycotting?
00:04:02.700 But only boycotting for American products, not boycotting Chinese products, even though they have a huge punitive tariff on our canola farmers.
00:04:11.400 But the real answer is, of course, you can't really separate yourself from the U.S. economy or the Chinese economy in a meaningful way.
00:04:19.600 From on the U.S. side, from high tech products like a smartphone to online products like social media to fruits and vegetables to most of our cars, etc.
00:04:29.620 It's all either American or largely American. Try buying anything at Walmart that's not from China.
00:04:35.580 So it was sort of a dumb question. My point is, from an informational point of view, that question didn't lift any load.
00:04:43.560 As opposed to something like, why do you insist on keeping hundreds of stocks, each of which puts you in a conflict of interest about that particular company?
00:04:53.180 Why are you hanging on to them? Are you still looking around for a better gig?
00:04:56.200 I mean, that's what Carney has done before. He was at the Bank of Canada and that wasn't enough for him.
00:05:01.620 So he went to the Bank of England and that wasn't enough for him.
00:05:05.520 So he went to the United Nations and the World Economic Forum. And at the same time, he became the chairman of Brookfield.
00:05:10.560 So you can imagine how he used that. Imagine being a boss at the World Economic Forum in the U.N. while running Brookfield.
00:05:18.860 Imagine how he feathered his own nest. But even that wasn't enough.
00:05:22.940 So now he's come to Canada. And in a few months, he's been installed as prime minister.
00:05:27.800 First in a party vote, a party nomination conducted 100% online, which you can read is vulnerable to hacking, where literally the majority of votes were disqualified.
00:05:39.960 So he becomes prime minister in a murky deal. And weeks later, it's confirmed in a national election with 43% support.
00:05:48.960 And we don't know a thing about him, do we? And even now we don't. Now that he's been in office for a while, he doesn't really like spending time in Ottawa.
00:05:59.620 Why does he own all those stocks, though? Why does he refuse to sell them?
00:06:03.040 If we know what they are, surely he knows what they are. And everyone in his staff and all his MPs know what they are.
00:06:09.520 And he's not going to forget that he was the chairman of Brookfield.
00:06:12.840 So why does he give it up? Everyone in his whole team, all the MPs, all his staff, know what they're supposed to do.
00:06:22.360 Do not offend the boss. Do not financially harm the boss.
00:06:27.560 He is a walking conflict of interest times 600.
00:06:31.080 You know, I'm not naturally against billionaires. I'm not a communist.
00:06:35.000 Sometimes billionaires become rich because they've actually done something valuable for an enormous amount of people who happily pay them.
00:06:42.020 And Elon Musk would be an example of that. He's just done so many things that people like.
00:06:46.280 They're happy to pay. There's a billionaire named David Sachs who helped start PayPal with Elon Musk and other super smart guys like Peter Thiel.
00:06:55.360 David Sachs has since invested in other winners like SpaceX.
00:06:59.180 He's more than a billionaire.
00:07:00.300 And Trump asked this guy, David Sachs, to be his cryptocurrency czar to help modernize U.S. policy towards high-tech finance and things like that to make sure that China didn't get too far ahead, to make sure prosperity and growth and freedom would continue, not regulation, which was sort of the Democrat way.
00:07:19.940 And so Sachs agreed to serve the government.
00:07:23.620 And he did something that I just think is amazing.
00:07:26.020 Maybe it's obvious.
00:07:28.280 But he sold all of his own crypto before he took the job.
00:07:32.760 More than $200 million worth of cryptocurrency.
00:07:36.580 Just in the past few months alone, that would have made him tens of millions of dollars of lost growth.
00:07:42.260 But he sold it all before he took the job.
00:07:44.480 And that's not all.
00:07:45.660 He went further.
00:07:46.360 He sold all of his shares in what were related at all to artificial intelligence or AI.
00:07:53.160 Why would he do that?
00:07:55.440 Because he decided that he had made a lot of money in his life, probably more than he'd ever need.
00:08:00.160 And it was time to serve his country.
00:08:02.980 And he had really strong views about how that should be done and how to improve cryptocurrency and how to improve America and improve the world.
00:08:11.320 At least how he thinks that should be done.
00:08:14.020 He thought it was a higher calling, I think.
00:08:16.300 I mean, maybe I'm naive.
00:08:17.720 But a guy who sells hundreds of millions of dollars worth of stock and crypto, so he has no conflict of interest, that sort of sounds noble.
00:08:27.480 And he didn't want anyone to be able to say that his advice or decisions were for his own personal benefit.
00:08:32.440 So he just sold it.
00:08:33.340 And he goes in with clean hands.
00:08:35.260 I think that's incredible leadership right there.
00:08:37.560 I mean, even if you disagree with what David Sachs does, and I really don't have a strong understanding of what he's going to do, would you agree with me that he is morally trustworthy, even if his judgment is wrong in the end?
00:08:50.380 So back to Mark Carney, why would he do the exact opposite?
00:08:55.260 Why would he keep literally hundreds of different companies' stocks?
00:09:00.180 And don't tell me that there's a blind trust or a screen.
00:09:03.640 We all know what he owned and what his company, Brookfield, owned that he chaired.
00:09:09.780 It's not even the point.
00:09:10.500 The point is, why, why, why is he doing this?
00:09:12.300 Why is he insisting on this?
00:09:14.800 And remember the one time the CBC actually asked him about this, my weight loss challenge competitor, Rose McBartney, Martin Carney attacked her personally when she asked about this stuff.
00:09:25.720 Remember that?
00:09:26.260 The rules say that those assets should be publicly disclosed within 120 days, which means you'll campaign in a coming federal election, most likely within the next 120 days,
00:09:36.300 and are serving as prime minister now, with Canadians not being aware of what potential conflicts of interest you saw.
00:09:42.220 What possible conflict would you have, Stephanie?
00:09:44.300 Stephanie, I'm complying with the rules.
00:09:46.180 I'm complying with the rules in advance.
00:09:49.100 Point for you now.
00:09:50.400 Are you saying you are not open to any conflict of interest?
00:09:53.660 Yes.
00:09:54.140 You're not going to spend both of the time, like in the private sector.
00:09:56.760 There's no possible conflict of interest in your assets.
00:10:00.280 It's very difficult to believe.
00:10:03.660 Look inside yourself, Rosemary.
00:10:05.200 I mean, you start from a prior of conflict and ill will.
00:10:16.760 I have served in the private sector.
00:10:19.540 I have stood up for Canada.
00:10:21.360 I have left my roles in the private sector at a time of crisis for our country.
00:10:28.940 I'm complying with all the rules.
00:10:30.780 Your line of questioning is trying to invent new rules.
00:10:35.340 I'm complying with the rules that Parliament has laid out and the responsibilities of the ethics commissioner.
00:10:41.540 And I will continue to comply with those rules.
00:10:47.000 I'll give her credit.
00:10:47.700 That was the one time she actually asked a critical question.
00:10:50.400 Now, the liberals have set up what they call an ethics screen.
00:10:53.520 What a joke that is.
00:10:54.620 What is an ethics screen, you ask?
00:10:56.500 So there's supposed to be a senior staffer that whenever an issue arises that Carney has a stake in, because he refuses to sell his stocks, that staffer is supposed to take him out of any meetings and make sure he doesn't engage in the decisions about them.
00:11:14.040 Really?
00:11:14.340 He's got hundreds of companies in every possible walk of life.
00:11:20.880 It's actually shocking.
00:11:22.720 In fact, going through the list, the most surprising thing, actually, it's not surprising at all, is how few Canadian companies are in there.
00:11:28.880 I found a few.
00:11:30.660 He simply doesn't believe in investing in Canada.
00:11:33.400 Personally, that is.
00:11:34.840 As you know, his last corporate act as chairman of Brookfield was to move their head office from Toronto to New York City.
00:11:41.120 Is Mark Carney by any chance planning to move to New York in four years or eight years?
00:11:47.700 And if not, why on earth is he keeping those stocks?
00:11:50.280 Why is he doing it anyways?
00:11:52.460 Why doesn't he do the ethical thing like David Sachs did and sell his stocks?
00:11:57.220 And even put aside the ethics, which you have to do with liberals.
00:12:01.100 How on earth can he possibly run a country if he is conflicted on pretty much every single industry there is?
00:12:10.020 Tech companies, social media companies, Altria, the tobacco company, Amazon, Airbnb, American Airlines, American Express, Amgen, Aon.
00:12:20.820 These are huge companies.
00:12:22.200 And boy, he sure loves the United States.
00:12:24.280 No elbows up for him in his private life.
00:12:26.360 Apple, Archer Daniel Midlands, that's a GMO company.
00:12:29.780 AT&T, that's the phone company.
00:12:31.480 You don't think he's going to have some rulings that affect telephone or cable competition in Canada?
00:12:39.180 BAE, Baker Hughes, weapons manufacturers.
00:12:42.520 Same thing.
00:12:43.260 You don't think he's going to deal with something like acquiring a new fighter jet for Canada that touches on these companies?
00:12:50.520 Why won't he just sell them?
00:12:52.680 Bank of America.
00:12:53.600 He has a bunch of American banks.
00:12:54.920 Why won't he sell them?
00:12:57.060 Donald Trump has specifically said giving access to American banks to sell mortgages in Canada is something he demands.
00:13:03.560 How can Mark Carney make a decision when he owns stock in those banks?
00:13:07.800 Why is he putting himself in a conflict?
00:13:10.440 Berkshire Hathaway, but of course.
00:13:12.160 I'm roughly going alphabetically.
00:13:14.460 BlackRock, Boeing, Booz Allen, another military staffer, staffing company, works for the CIA.
00:13:20.200 That's actually where Edward Snowden was.
00:13:22.460 Drug companies like Bristol-Myers Squibb.
00:13:25.020 Now, there are some oil companies in there.
00:13:27.020 I saw one of them, Canadian Natural.
00:13:30.140 The American company, Chevron.
00:13:31.800 Chemical company, Celanese.
00:13:34.340 It's sort of hard for me to understand how he can be such a big green activist for us, but personally, he loves oil companies.
00:13:42.540 I don't quite get that.
00:13:44.420 He's even got Chipotle in there.
00:13:46.180 Banks, insurance companies, Cigna, Citigroup.
00:13:48.640 I'm just reading out a few of the ones that I recognize, and I'm only in the Cs.
00:13:53.080 He's got 600 of these.
00:13:54.880 Tech companies like Coinbase and Comcast.
00:13:57.900 ConocoPhillips, another big American oil company.
00:14:00.020 Costco.
00:14:01.320 You name it, it's on there.
00:14:02.660 If it's an American company.
00:14:04.520 He owns Meta.
00:14:05.860 That's the company that owns Facebook and Instagram.
00:14:08.720 He owns Alphabet.
00:14:10.020 That's the mother company that owns Google and YouTube.
00:14:12.960 You know, the liberals went out of their way to really go after both of these in their Online Harms Act,
00:14:18.400 which he says he's going to bring back in.
00:14:20.580 The liberals want to tax these companies with an internet tax.
00:14:23.880 They've talked about that.
00:14:24.960 They're already shaking down Google for $100 million a year for favored journalists.
00:14:29.500 Facebook refused to go along with that.
00:14:31.180 How can a prime minister that has holdings in each of those companies be a part of the decision?
00:14:37.560 And don't we need the prime minister to be the decider?
00:14:40.880 Are you going to let Stephen Gilbeau, the heritage minister, be the decider?
00:14:43.800 But really, why won't he just sell them?
00:14:46.540 What on earth is wrong with him?
00:14:48.860 Why doesn't he put Canada first?
00:14:50.940 He's rich enough.
00:14:52.320 He'll get super rich in cash the day he sells it.
00:14:56.120 Why won't he sell his stocks?
00:15:00.380 Is it vanity?
00:15:01.600 Is it greed?
00:15:02.300 Is it some sense that he's above criticism?
00:15:04.660 He really has taken so little in his life, so little criticism, so little sparring, so little, you know, questioning.
00:15:16.280 You don't get questioned when you're at the World Economic Forum or the UN or the Chair of Brookfield.
00:15:21.320 The C's part before you.
00:15:22.900 Everyone says, yes, sir.
00:15:24.100 I don't think he's used to being challenged on things.
00:15:26.520 Is he above all this, like Leona Helmsley said, that laws are just for the little people?
00:15:35.720 Astonishingly, Donald Trump slapped Canada with a 35% tariff the other day, and Mark Carney refused to cut short his vacation.
00:15:42.920 Is that the same thing going on?
00:15:44.680 I mean, he's above all this.
00:15:46.380 He's not going to change his lifestyle to accommodate us.
00:15:49.940 I mean, he's worked so very hard to be prime minister.
00:15:52.900 What, have they even had 10 days of parliamentary sittings this year?
00:15:55.780 I mean, his majesty hasn't come back yet.
00:16:00.040 I guess we'll be learning about Mark Carney the hard way, won't we?
00:16:04.840 Stay with us.
00:16:05.640 More ahead.
00:16:17.580 Hey, look at this.
00:16:18.520 It looks like a meme, the kind of thing that you find on Facebook or Twitter or TikTok.
00:16:22.700 It's actually a proposed billboard for public transit in the Ontario city of Hamilton.
00:16:29.000 It couldn't be plainer.
00:16:30.340 In fact, if I were a critic, I'd say it's boring.
00:16:33.500 It's a picture of a woman with a word that says woman, an adult female.
00:16:37.900 And then the tagline of the proposed advertiser, bringing respect for life and truth to Canadian
00:16:44.160 politics, CHP Canada.
00:16:46.920 That stands for the Christian Heritage Party of Canada.
00:16:51.120 But really, the operative words, there's only four of them.
00:16:56.120 A woman, colon, an adult female couldn't be more basic.
00:17:00.080 It's dictionary definition.
00:17:01.740 In fact, it was asked of Mark Carney in the French language leaders debate.
00:17:06.320 And he answered it, obviously.
00:17:08.560 Even though one of his own kids is trans, he says a woman.
00:17:12.000 There are only two sexes.
00:17:13.800 Not only has the city of Hamilton banned this ad, but a court upheld the ban.
00:17:20.620 The matter is now moving forward to the Court of Appeal.
00:17:23.200 But today, we are delighted to talk to Leah Malousis, one of the lawyers acting for the
00:17:28.060 Christian Heritage Party.
00:17:29.380 She joins me now in studio.
00:17:30.480 Leah, great to meet you.
00:17:31.780 Great to meet you, too.
00:17:32.540 Thank you for having me.
00:17:33.200 It's my pleasure.
00:17:33.840 It's such a simple ad.
00:17:35.440 I mean, you really couldn't even take a single word out of it.
00:17:37.800 There's only four words in it and a picture of someone who's obviously a woman.
00:17:41.980 And the Christian Heritage Party, they just went through the normal route and said,
00:17:47.580 we'd like to buy a billboard or this is on a bus, I presume.
00:17:51.860 Tell me what happened.
00:17:53.320 Yeah.
00:17:53.580 So originally, they were working with the city of Hamilton's agent, Outfront Media.
00:17:58.140 And Outfront engaged in the standard conversation.
00:18:01.780 They discussed pricing.
00:18:02.840 And then CHP sent in the image.
00:18:05.740 And all that Outfront said was that this violated ad standards code,
00:18:10.140 the Canadian Code of Advertising Standards, which doesn't apply to political advertising.
00:18:15.040 So from the very beginning, the premise of the rejection was the application of this code
00:18:20.000 that is not applicable to political parties and political advertisement.
00:18:24.000 But when CHP pushed it further, they didn't get any further response.
00:18:28.100 So it was only at that point, it was then escalated to the city directly.
00:18:32.160 And the city then undertook a review.
00:18:34.480 They didn't engage in consultation with CHP.
00:18:36.820 But after the decision, when the decision was released, we found out that they did engage
00:18:40.660 in consultation, but on a selective, exclusive basis, only with the LGBTQ community.
00:18:46.600 And so they then changed the basis for the rejection.
00:18:49.860 It was no longer about alleged violations of the Advertising Standards Code.
00:18:53.980 Now, suddenly, it was about lack of safety.
00:18:57.020 Lack of safety.
00:18:57.760 Yes.
00:18:58.280 Yes.
00:18:58.600 This idea that it would create an unwelcoming transit system.
00:19:02.240 You know, that's incredible.
00:19:03.260 Well, a lot of things will be done in the name of safety.
00:19:05.180 We don't have to look at any further back than COVID.
00:19:07.120 Of course, if I recall the French Revolution, they called it the Committee for Public Safety.
00:19:12.300 That's the way it would lop off people's heads with guillotine.
00:19:15.400 Now, you said that they consulted with the LGBTQ plus community.
00:19:20.680 I think they only would have consulted with the activists, because I really don't think
00:19:24.460 that most gay people in Canada would object to this.
00:19:27.320 I really don't think that the weaponized transgenderism is reflective of most gay people in Canada.
00:19:34.380 It sounds like they've actually been colonized by radical activists.
00:19:40.240 And you, your client, the Christian Heritage Party, really, you made the application.
00:19:46.320 They had this whole system in which your party was not involved.
00:19:50.180 And then they sort of said to you, this risks safety.
00:19:53.560 Yes.
00:19:54.040 Like you really were kept out of the whole process.
00:19:56.360 Yeah, so we didn't find out that there was a consultation until the final decision had
00:20:00.720 already been made.
00:20:01.980 The city consulted with its own advice.
00:20:04.100 How long did this whole consultation over four words take, by the way?
00:20:07.480 Well, it's unclear.
00:20:08.620 We don't have any information about what questions were asked, what the feedback was.
00:20:13.360 We only have the city summary.
00:20:14.900 But you're right.
00:20:15.740 The ad just says woman, an adult, female.
00:20:18.500 It doesn't say biological.
00:20:19.740 It doesn't say genetic.
00:20:20.940 It is rather vague and subject to interpretation.
00:20:23.840 Theoretically, it could even include trans.
00:20:26.600 I mean, it's just such a simple thing.
00:20:30.720 Was this during the election itself?
00:20:33.060 This was just prior to the election.
00:20:34.900 So this was taking place in 2023.
00:20:37.080 But because of this decision, it meant that this advertisement could not be put up in time
00:20:41.080 for the election.
00:20:41.680 So how did this get into the court?
00:20:45.340 So the Christian Heritage Party, upon receiving the decision, brought a judicial review to the
00:20:50.500 divisional court.
00:20:51.480 And that process, the hearing took place at the end of October 2024.
00:20:56.020 And we got a decision in about 15 days.
00:20:58.040 And the divisional court upheld the decision.
00:21:01.420 It just deferred to the city, essentially.
00:21:03.920 It said that the decision was reasonable, that the city had weighed the various competing
00:21:08.600 interests.
00:21:09.120 It had considered the rights of transgender individuals versus freedom of expression for
00:21:13.740 CHP.
00:21:14.300 Do we know that they weighed freedom of expression?
00:21:16.280 Was that proven in the hearing?
00:21:18.060 So the decision itself references freedom of expression.
00:21:21.400 But I think one of the comments that we've made in our submissions now to the Ontario Court
00:21:26.400 of Appeal is just because the city referenced it doesn't actually show that there was a depth
00:21:30.580 of engagement.
00:21:31.820 The protection for political speech, in particular in Canada, is very, very robust.
00:21:37.260 You know, we've lost a few battles in judicial reviews as well.
00:21:40.380 And for the same reason, which is that the judges just defer to the local experts.
00:21:45.500 And I think that there's a trend in Canadian law not to overturn expert bodies, but there's
00:21:54.020 so many of these agencies and boards and commissions, and they're not really expert.
00:21:58.760 They're just, in fact, they're very susceptible to being infiltrated by activists.
00:22:03.580 And I don't say that in a nefarious way.
00:22:05.620 It's just who's going to be involved in reviewing ads on a bus shelter.
00:22:11.260 Obviously, it's going to be activists.
00:22:12.740 And to defer to them on constitutional matters is insane.
00:22:19.160 I mean, that ad is so plain.
00:22:20.720 There's no safety issues there.
00:22:23.000 And for a judge to say, well, it might be sketchy to me, but the experts at Hamilton Bus
00:22:29.700 Company say it's a safety threat.
00:22:32.700 So I'm really worried about that deference.
00:22:36.180 So you've filed an appeal to that ruling.
00:22:39.740 And do we know how long it takes to get before the Court of Appeal?
00:22:43.960 So first, you need permission from the Ontario Court of Appeal.
00:22:46.680 They don't have to take every appeal just on spec.
00:22:49.120 They don't.
00:22:49.840 And so you need to show, essentially, that you have a case.
00:22:52.980 And in this instance, they have granted permission.
00:22:55.600 I would hope so.
00:22:56.660 And so that is not itself conclusive.
00:22:59.160 But it does suggest that the Ontario Court of Appeal looks at the divisional court's decision,
00:23:03.680 has some concerns.
00:23:04.580 And we raised a number of them in our written materials, which were just filed last week.
00:23:08.740 I think everyone should have the same freedom of expression, freedom of the press.
00:23:13.840 And I don't believe that political parties should have a higher standing.
00:23:17.960 I'm frustrated by some of the censorship in this country and some of the limits imposed
00:23:22.200 by Elections Canada.
00:23:23.440 But that said, a political party should have tremendous freedom of expression.
00:23:28.860 I should, too, as a regular guy.
00:23:30.900 But to tell a political party, you may not run this ad.
00:23:35.940 There's nothing obscene about the ad.
00:23:37.940 There's nothing, you know, criminal about the ad.
00:23:41.580 You're paying for the ad.
00:23:43.080 You are a registered party.
00:23:44.560 You're not some banned terrorist group.
00:23:46.260 But we had an expert who doesn't like it.
00:23:49.000 Like that is it.
00:23:50.360 And I think what's important here is it's a public institution.
00:23:53.740 You know, if it were a private newspaper, I wouldn't be so fussed by it.
00:23:57.760 People can do with their own property what they wish.
00:24:00.720 But for the city of Hamilton, which is a large city, to ban a party.
00:24:06.040 Now, the Christian Heritage Party doesn't win any seats, but it's a forum.
00:24:09.160 It's as legitimate a political party as the Green Party, as the People's Party.
00:24:14.940 Well, and if the city of Hamilton can do this to the Christian Heritage Party,
00:24:19.420 then it raises questions about which other political parties it can do this to.
00:24:23.320 And the important fact here is that they didn't raise an issue with the image and they didn't
00:24:29.160 raise an issue with any of the words, which they actually acknowledged were a basic dictionary
00:24:33.040 definition.
00:24:34.080 What they said was they actually went to CHP's website and took issues with CHP's views explicitly.
00:24:40.580 And so the issue here is that they don't want these ideas to be shared at all.
00:24:45.760 And it really, I think, is very patronizing and dictatorial for a state body to decide what views
00:24:54.720 its voters can and cannot be exposed to.
00:24:57.560 You know, and we all know which way political correctness is going in this country.
00:25:02.420 I don't know if an ad promoting, if it was a Muslim Heritage Party, if they would be as corrected
00:25:08.800 by the LGBT lobby as the Christian Heritage Party.
00:25:12.240 But you raised a good point.
00:25:15.000 I mean, if liberal or radical or Marxist busybodies can censor conservative views, can conservative
00:25:22.520 censor left-wing views.
00:25:24.540 And I don't think, I think by definition, conservatives generally are not as censorious.
00:25:30.160 I think this is an important case.
00:25:32.880 I'm glad the Ontario Court of Appeal is hearing it.
00:25:34.920 I'm actually, I don't, I mean, all courts in Canada, I think are moving away from freedom
00:25:40.820 of speech, but I have a tiny bit of hope because this is, the facts are so clear here.
00:25:47.320 The message was not radical.
00:25:49.160 It was not hateful.
00:25:50.560 It was not complex.
00:25:52.140 Four words and a simple image.
00:25:54.920 By a political party, it's like there's no complicating factors.
00:26:00.660 There's no disqualifying factor.
00:26:03.960 Some of the, one of the things about free speech cases in Canada is you're often dealing
00:26:08.600 with a real troublemaker who's really hard to stomach, who says things that are so offensive
00:26:15.380 but legal.
00:26:16.900 Like that's often the front line is so far down the road.
00:26:20.700 Like do, I don't know if you know the famous case out of, I refer to it all the time.
00:26:25.300 Uh, in the sixties and seventies, of course, the draft in the United States, military draft
00:26:30.000 conscription was very controversial.
00:26:31.860 And someone went into a courthouse in California with F U C K, the draft right on his shirt.
00:26:39.600 And he was arrested and charged and went all the way up to the Supreme court of the United
00:26:43.320 States who ruled in his favor and said that using those particular words was essential
00:26:51.000 for him to express himself.
00:26:52.220 If he said, uh, excuse me, sir, I disagree with the draft.
00:26:55.240 It would not be the same as saying F the draft.
00:26:57.660 And like, that's a hard case.
00:27:00.100 Like to say someone should be able to sit in a court with an F the draft shirt on.
00:27:05.500 Whoa, that's your first amendment home.
00:27:07.880 You know, that that's, I think the high watermark of freedom of expression in America.
00:27:12.200 But this is nowhere near that.
00:27:13.860 No, not at all.
00:27:14.660 But it's important for viewers to understand that in Canada, there are actually robust protections
00:27:20.720 for not just freedom of expression generally, but political expression in particular.
00:27:24.900 And we've had some incredible cases recently from the Ontario court of appeal and the Supreme
00:27:29.260 court, uh, one back in 2021 called the ward decision from the Supreme court, where they
00:27:33.740 specifically said there isn't a right not to be offended.
00:27:36.340 And in that case, it was speech that was directly.
00:27:39.760 Is that the comedian out there?
00:27:40.780 Yes.
00:27:41.740 Targeting someone on the basis of disability.
00:27:43.600 Very painful.
00:27:44.560 I know that case.
00:27:45.340 So that was, that was just one vote.
00:27:47.940 That was, I think four to five.
00:27:49.460 It was a five, four decision.
00:27:50.560 Yes.
00:27:50.720 Just for our viewers, we've talked about this before.
00:27:52.560 It's a comedian in Quebec who does comedy in English and in French.
00:27:57.240 And he made fun of this severely disabled kid who sings and he mocked him.
00:28:02.740 And like, it was rough.
00:28:04.340 It was really, really rough comedy.
00:28:07.160 And he won, but it was five, four.
00:28:11.000 And the way society is going, I know that in about five minutes from now, it'd be four
00:28:17.100 to five the other way.
00:28:18.620 Wouldn't you agree?
00:28:19.500 I think it is, it is difficult to know sometimes.
00:28:24.040 Another case.
00:28:24.700 The Ward case was a good one.
00:28:25.760 Is there another one you know of?
00:28:26.760 So the, one of the points we've made in our materials is that the divisional court and
00:28:31.200 the city didn't engage with any of the binding precedent.
00:28:33.700 So the Harper case is one that was specifically about political expression.
00:28:37.440 I think that was a 2004.
00:28:38.720 Stephen Harper.
00:28:39.960 C.C. case.
00:28:40.140 Go ahead.
00:28:41.160 Then there's the Ward case.
00:28:42.800 There, there's the recent Bracken decisions from the Ontario Court of Appeal where actually
00:28:47.900 drawing on the, the American case.
00:28:50.280 This was an individual who had F-U-C-K, Mexico on a sign and was holding it.
00:28:55.700 And I think also China as well.
00:28:57.340 And he was holding this in a public park.
00:28:59.020 So, you know, there are young children who are seeing this language.
00:29:01.620 It was very offensive, but we had some incredible decisions from the Ontario Court of Appeal saying
00:29:06.420 that these are public forum.
00:29:08.100 We expect individuals to have a degree of, of, uh, tolerance, uh, there, there should be
00:29:14.180 a threshold of, of difficult speech that they are able to tolerate in a free and democratic
00:29:20.100 society.
00:29:20.680 And, and I think ultimately this comes down to in these facts, I, I would respectfully
00:29:26.620 submit that it is not, it is never okay for a state body with its own political bias to
00:29:34.100 censor the political ad of a political party on a policy discussion.
00:29:39.120 That is a vibrant and, and fraught discussion these days.
00:29:42.080 And so I think regardless of what people might think about the Christian heritage party or
00:29:46.840 about this issue, we need to trust that in a free and a democratic society, people are
00:29:51.600 capable of hearing views, engaging with them respectfully, and then voting according to
00:29:56.680 their beliefs.
00:29:57.560 Yeah.
00:29:57.700 You know, Canada is an international laggard in this issue.
00:30:01.720 Um, the tyranny of the LGBTQ2SL plus, have I got it all?
00:30:08.680 The, the tyranny of, of that political reign of terror continues.
00:30:12.740 In America, it's been burst.
00:30:15.060 I mean, Trump's executive orders.
00:30:16.860 I see the University of Pennsylvania is now apologizing to all the women who were denied
00:30:21.700 their trophies because some man entered in their sport.
00:30:24.460 They're stripping the awards from the men.
00:30:26.700 Uh, in the United Kingdom, their highest court ruled, there are only two sexes, um, which
00:30:33.080 is sort of astonishing given how far down the road the UK was.
00:30:36.600 They've like, there's been a lot of countries around the world that have pulled back from
00:30:41.040 the trans insanity.
00:30:42.880 Um, not just rhetorically speaking, but also in terms of policy.
00:30:47.660 And Canada alone continues to hurtle down the bizarre path.
00:30:52.640 And, um, I wonder what Mark Carney will do.
00:30:54.980 I mean, his own child is trans.
00:30:58.540 And, uh, I don't know.
00:31:00.000 I don't know if that weighs on his own politics.
00:31:03.440 I don't know how it couldn't.
00:31:05.060 I think this court of appeal case that you are now destined to have will be a very important
00:31:11.640 one and it'll be a test to see if Canada has flipped from that, um, Mike Ward, was that
00:31:18.820 his name?
00:31:19.600 The comedian?
00:31:20.880 Um, I'm, I'm pessimistic, but, uh, I'm glad you're in there fighting.
00:31:25.660 How do we find out more?
00:31:27.580 And we like to crowdfund things.
00:31:29.380 I understand the Christian Heritage Party is crowdfunding, uh, the legals here.
00:31:32.960 How do people do that?
00:31:34.360 Yeah.
00:31:34.600 So the, they can go to chp.ca and they'll be able to donate.
00:31:38.460 There are the standard rules that apply to political parties, but I would encourage people
00:31:42.540 to get engaged.
00:31:43.320 This is an issue that affects everyone, regardless of our views.
00:31:47.120 What's on the line here is the ability for people, regardless of their location, to hear
00:31:52.960 all political views and vote accordingly.
00:31:55.760 And I think the decision of the city in this case has created a fragmented landscape whereby
00:32:00.240 the freedom of expression that you receive and benefit from changes depending on your location.
00:32:05.320 That's a problem.
00:32:06.120 And I, I'm hoping that the Ontario Court of Appeal will hear that concern and, and will,
00:32:11.140 will make a decision that creates some clarity.
00:32:13.180 I understand that, uh, the liberal, uh, LGBT, uh, shock troops called EGAL.
00:32:19.100 It used to be, they used to, I don't know if you can believe this, but 20 years ago, EGAL,
00:32:23.500 which is the gay rights lobby, actually supported freedom of speech.
00:32:26.680 Maybe because they remembered that, uh, the gay community itself was censored.
00:32:30.900 In fact, some of the key Supreme Court cases from 40 years ago were the Little Sisters bookshop,
00:32:37.240 which had gay books and they were seized at the border.
00:32:40.840 And Canada Post was seizing their gay stuff and banning it.
00:32:44.660 So there was actually a moment in time.
00:32:46.840 It's hard to believe where the, there wasn't a lot of T back then, but there was LG and B
00:32:51.860 and they were against censorship.
00:32:54.220 If you can believe that as recently as 20 years ago, now they are amongst the worst bullies around
00:32:59.760 and they are funded, absolutely funded.
00:33:02.460 You can look it up online to see all their anti-homophobia, anti-transphobia.
00:33:07.020 They receive literally millions of dollars from the liberal government to be shock troops.
00:33:12.160 Uh, it, it would not surprise me if they interview, intervene in your case.
00:33:17.020 Um, they're funding a lawsuit against us here at Rebel News as well.
00:33:21.120 They are absolute bullies.
00:33:23.620 So I wish you good luck in court.
00:33:25.320 You'll need it.
00:33:26.080 Thank you.
00:33:26.580 I appreciate that.
00:33:27.540 Thank you very much.
00:33:28.140 It's good to have you here.
00:33:28.880 Leah Malousis is a lawyer representing the Christian Heritage Party in this battle in Hamilton.
00:33:34.240 And we'll keep you posted how it goes.
00:33:36.340 Stay with us.
00:33:37.020 More ahead.
00:33:37.460 Your letters to me on the Amish report.
00:33:51.860 Kevin Smith said the feds would love to see the end of the Amish way of life because they
00:33:55.860 are self-sufficient.
00:33:57.280 Yeah.
00:33:57.800 I also actually think that there's a bit of an anti-Christian sentiment there too.
00:34:03.620 I, I said this during the lockdowns.
00:34:06.000 I saw a lot of churches prosecuted an attack for staying open.
00:34:10.300 Didn't see any other religious, uh, temple or synagogue or mosque, um, condemned.
00:34:16.560 Did you?
00:34:17.420 And I think the fact that the Amish are that way because they're following their faith.
00:34:22.280 I mean, I don't really think it's a leap of logic to say, oh, the government's bullying
00:34:26.980 them because they're Christian.
00:34:28.000 I just think that's sort of obvious.
00:34:29.720 Uh, moon shadow forest farm says the RCMP just said that the people with traditional values
00:34:35.860 are extremist.
00:34:36.840 I love how extremely awesome the Amish communities are.
00:34:42.120 All tradition.
00:34:43.040 No BS.
00:34:44.060 You know what?
00:34:44.680 There you go.
00:34:45.460 Doesn't that say it all?
00:34:46.560 I can't think of anyone more traditional than the Amish.
00:34:49.200 They just don't even use technology.
00:34:50.740 Patricia Riley says Salvation Army does exemplary work in the criminal justice world, court
00:34:57.220 supports, et cetera.
00:34:58.180 And the Amish are exemplar citizens.
00:35:01.120 What a great story on government overreach.
00:35:03.240 Well, it was a bit of a trek.
00:35:04.520 It took us almost three hours to get out there.
00:35:06.820 Um, and it was, you know what?
00:35:08.540 It was, the food looks so delicious.
00:35:10.920 I didn't want to say the wrong thing because obviously it's going to people who are having
00:35:15.380 tough times in the food bank, but I have to say they got, whoever got that food, got a
00:35:19.980 real gourmet farm to fork experience.
00:35:23.340 I've, I've bought some of those same items from the Amish before and they're pretty delicious.
00:35:27.880 If you like natural foods, I don't know if you're near the Amish, they live in parts of
00:35:31.940 Ontario.
00:35:33.000 Um, but, uh, they really do believe in sort of natural ways of growing things.
00:35:38.100 And, and, um, if you're ever in Amish country, stop by one of their little fruit stands or
00:35:43.480 whatever.
00:35:43.800 Typically they just work from their own homes.
00:35:45.720 It's worth it.
00:35:46.900 Well, this is our show for today until tomorrow on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World
00:35:51.100 Headquarters to you at home.
00:35:52.180 Good night and keep fighting for freedom.
00:36:08.100 Good night and keep fighting for freedom.