Rebel News Podcast - June 03, 2026


EZRA LEVANT ｜ More committees won’t solve Canada’s antisemitism crisis, despite what Mark Carney wants you to believe


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After a speech at a Jewish synagogue, Prime Minister Mark Carney invited two anti-Semites to join his panel. I'm here to show you the proof. Ezra Levant's Ezra Levant Show is on all of the social medias.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I watched Mark Carney's speech at a Jewish synagogue yesterday where he announced
00:00:06.080 the most astonishing thing. Two anti-Semites will join his Jewish panel. I couldn't believe it. I'll
00:00:13.000 give you the proof. But first let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus. Today's
00:00:18.240 a good day to do it because I got some crazy video to show you of these folks who inexplicably
00:00:24.700 Mark Carney put on this panel. Go to rebelnewsplus.com and click subscribe.
00:00:44.840 Mark Carney agrees anti-Semitism is terrible, but he won't say who's causing it. His only
00:00:51.540 solution is a committee and you won't believe who's on it. It's June 2nd and this is the Ezra
00:00:56.840 Levant Show. Shame on you, you censorious bug. Last night, Mark Carney gave a speech in a left-wing
00:01:17.460 jewish synagogue he was narrow casting his message it wasn't carried live in full not
00:01:24.340 in parliament as it would be recorded it wasn't carried live on the cbc he went into a left-wing
00:01:30.840 synagogue and he kept out reporters and others like rebels or conservatives who might not agree
00:01:37.400 with him here take a look at how that was with so many reporters kept out of the synagogue sir
00:01:43.440 What do you think of Carney saying, Muslim values are Canadian values?
00:01:46.760 No, you're going to have to come and leave the property. 0.65
00:01:49.320 The motorcade is going to stop all along here.
00:01:51.100 Oh, well, that'd be our reason for being here.
00:01:53.000 We want to ask Prime Minister Carney a question, officer.
00:01:55.440 So Mark Carney did give a speech, and he described the problem.
00:01:59.500 Thanks, we already know the problem.
00:02:01.480 But here, I'll show you how he described it.
00:02:03.540 Across our country, anti-Semitism has surged to levels not seen in the post-war period.
00:02:09.420 Last year, over two-thirds of all religion-motivated hate crimes were directed at Jewish Canadians who make up only 1% of the population.
00:02:22.580 I'm afraid this room knows what I'm about to say all too well. You've lived it.
00:02:27.660 But I want everyone to hear it. 0.89
00:02:30.560 Anti-Semites in Canada have fired bullets at Jewish schools.
00:02:34.040 They have thrown firebombs at synagogues. 0.50
00:02:36.300 They've attacked community centers.
00:02:38.060 They've targeted Jewish-owned businesses, harassed Jewish patients at hospitals, drove Jewish students from common spaces on our university campuses.
00:02:49.360 They have desecrated our Holocaust memorials.
00:02:52.980 Now keep those last two points in your mind, university encampments designed to humiliate and terrify Jews and Holocaust desecration.
00:03:02.380 So just keep those in the back of your mind for a moment. 0.60
00:03:04.620 Now, I honestly thought, I'm still naive at my age of 54, I genuinely thought he was going to do something.
00:03:14.420 I am so naive and so wrong.
00:03:17.180 The only thing he's done is the math. 0.99
00:03:20.560 He's ready to trade 400,000 Jews for 2 million Muslims. 0.95
00:03:24.840 That's really the bargain, isn't it? 0.97
00:03:26.160 I mean, that's what the Europeans did. 0.89
00:03:28.040 They traded 6 million Jews for 30 million Muslims. 0.92
00:03:31.280 That's the numbers.
00:03:33.620 By the way, one of those Jews who has decided to leave, according to the Montreal Gazette,
00:03:38.120 is the top cardiac surgeon in Montreal is leaving for the United States.
00:03:43.280 He just is sick of the anti-Semitism in Montreal.
00:03:46.600 So yeah, I mean, you've got some more migrants from Somalia and Afghanistan happy to replace
00:03:52.280 them. 1.00
00:03:52.440 They're probably not world-class cardiac surgeons, but that's okay.
00:03:56.600 Now, the liberals aren't just observers of anti-Semitism, though. 0.69
00:04:00.540 They're a cause of the problems.
00:04:01.820 I mean, they, for example, magnify hoaxes and slurs against Israel.
00:04:05.980 I remember early when Israel and Hamas were fighting in Gaza, there was a rocket that
00:04:12.140 allegedly struck a hospital and our foreign minister immediately tweeted that it was the
00:04:18.580 truth, whereas it was quickly debunked.
00:04:20.900 It was actually a Palestinian rocket that hit the hospital.
00:04:24.200 That tweet got millions of views and it is still up to this day.
00:04:27.920 Of course, Canada does more than just repeat Hamas propaganda.
00:04:32.760 It's a major funder of a UN group called UNRWA, which has thousands of staff,
00:04:38.760 1,300 of whom have been credibly accused of participating in the October 7th pogrom against Jews.
00:04:47.480 Of course, Mark Carney went further than even Justin Trudeau
00:04:50.820 and announced his unilateral support for a state of Palestine.
00:04:54.940 He said he would arrest Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:04:57.920 He has some sanctions on Israel.
00:05:00.000 He engages in constant demonization of Israel, not just in general, but in marked contrast with his tone and frequency of criticisms of any other country in the world, including those who have atrocious atrocities.
00:05:16.560 Israel is his number one target.
00:05:19.360 Mark Carney, though, says he's done a lot since becoming prime minister.
00:05:23.240 Here, take a listen to him boast.
00:05:24.540 Since being elected a little over a year ago, our government has been acting, first and foremost, on the most fundamental responsibility of government, protecting our citizens.
00:05:37.080 We've introduced six new pieces of legislation to bolster public safety and to combat anti-Semitism specifically, as well as other forms of hatred.
00:05:48.360 foremost amongst these six bills bill c9 the combating hate act addresses directly the rise
00:05:58.460 in anti-semitism hate motivated violence and the targeting of communities it significantly
00:06:04.860 strengthens the civil code the criminal code sorry it significantly strengthens
00:06:10.140 the criminal code, by creating new offenses for intimidation, obstruction at places of worship,
00:06:18.940 schools, community centers, and other institutions used by identifiable communities.
00:06:25.420 Hey guys, he's introducing lots of legislation. He's not doing anything in the real world. He's
00:06:30.580 not doing anything to stop the terrorist-style shootings of Jewish schools or the vandalism
00:06:36.980 or the uttering of the threats.
00:06:38.100 He's not doing anything there,
00:06:39.180 but he's got some bills in Parliament.
00:06:41.520 And will you not be,
00:06:43.060 is that not enough for you?
00:06:44.320 Now, none of the laws are actually necessary.
00:06:47.080 None of them will actually work.
00:06:49.080 What we need to do is implement the laws we have.
00:06:51.520 Laws about violence, gunfire, vandalism,
00:06:53.600 harassment, trespass, stalking, uttering threats,
00:06:56.340 even special laws like 176.2 of the Criminal Code,
00:06:59.860 which makes it a crime to disturb houses of worship.
00:07:03.220 None of the new laws that he's proposing will work,
00:07:06.460 they'll actually be used against critics of Islam. That's what hate will be defined as.
00:07:13.540 It's not like they haven't been asked. I sometimes visit the scene of the crime here in Toronto,
00:07:20.220 and I bump into a local Italian-Canadian, Mike Cole, who is a local counselor. And every time
00:07:26.220 I meet him, he says he begs the federal government and the provincial government for help in fighting
00:07:30.960 what he says is a foreign-funded, professional-level criminal and harassment gang.
00:07:39.120 So basically, he's saying, how can the Toronto police, with their modest budget, fight against an arm of the Iranian military?
00:07:47.740 He's asking for help, and Carney won't give it. Here's Mike Cole.
00:07:51.000 Can I ask you a quick question about your speech?
00:07:52.960 First of all, I thought it was the best speech of the day, because you actually called for something tangible.
00:07:57.800 actual police deployment why isn't it happening it's happening because everybody's passing the
00:08:05.600 buck uh the feds saying uh this is a local issue the province is saying you know local issue like
00:08:12.260 james and i from the fire bombing of the uh jewish supermarket three years ago we said we need
00:08:19.540 this to be treated like an act of terror and the rcmp said no no no it's not us it's not us
00:08:24.920 It's police matter. We've had the Jewish day school shot at twice.
00:08:29.960 Three times, yeah.
00:08:30.700 Three times. We've had these synagogue shootings.
00:08:34.660 We've had a Jewish career college, an illness shot at the other day.
00:08:42.580 We've had Jewish businesses shot at.
00:08:45.500 So we're saying this is not just a local thing. 0.59
00:08:49.040 It's so obvious it's happening at the synagogues in New York region.
00:08:52.220 And here, synagogues in Counselor Chernus Lin's area, this is not just random stuff. 0.53
00:08:59.120 When are the people going to wake up and realize we're dealing with an orchestrated attempt to terrorize the Jewish community that comes from those Iranian agents? 0.88
00:09:09.820 That's where it's coming from.
00:09:11.100 So what is Mark Carney's solution?
00:09:12.800 He was in this left-wing synagogue.
00:09:14.620 He kept out any critics.
00:09:16.520 His big solution is a committee to study things.
00:09:21.580 He's here. He heard from him himself.
00:09:23.700 And to that end, I'm pleased to announce today
00:09:28.080 the launch and the membership of Canada's new
00:09:31.140 Ministerial Advisory Council on Rights, Equality, and Inclusion.
00:09:36.020 It will be chaired by the Minister of Canadian Identity and Culture, Mark Miller.
00:09:42.300 Hang on, so Mark Miller is your anti-Semitism guy?
00:09:45.840 The same Mark Miller, the guy who hired that insane, 0.98
00:09:50.360 crazy Jew hater, Leith Marouf, a while back paid him a huge amount of money, paid him for 0.98
00:09:56.800 anti-racism sessions. The guy is the biggest Jew hater around. In fact, he moved to Lebanon so he 0.99
00:10:03.280 could be with his Hezbollah brethren. He tried to cover this up after the fact. Just a crazy, 0.98
00:10:09.180 crazy story. You put this guy in charge of the council again? Oh, you bet. Here,
00:10:15.500 Here's Mark Carney talking about it.
00:10:17.300 The Council has a clear mission to combat racism and hate in all their forms,
00:10:22.500 and to guide the Government of Canada as part of our efforts to build a fairer, more just, more inclusive society.
00:10:29.500 Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on.
00:10:31.500 So it's not about anti-Semitism. It's about other things too, like Islamophobia and transphobia and whatever else you want to make it.
00:10:40.500 Well, exactly. And by the way, in his entire speech, he never once uses the word Zionism, because that's the trick if you haven't noticed it yet.
00:10:48.820 No one is against Jews. They don't hate Jews.
00:10:54.760 They're not for anti-Semitism, but they're fine with being against Zionism, as if there's a distinction.
00:11:00.480 Zionism is nothing less and nothing more than the belief that the Jews, like any other people, can have a national homeland. 0.81
00:11:07.160 Ninety percent of Jews are Zionists. It's sort of the fulfillment of the biblical prophecy. 0.95
00:11:12.640 It's in the Bible, a country called Israel, the Holy Land. But Mark Carney is strategic.
00:11:17.880 Like I say, he's done the trade. He'll give up 400,000 Jews for two million Muslim votes. 0.85
00:11:22.760 But here, let me let him tell you in his own words what he's going to do about this violent crime wave. 0.85
00:11:29.040 Take a listen. 0.86
00:11:29.480 And I am directing that the first responsibility of that council is to address anti-Semitism.
00:11:37.160 from four different directions.
00:11:40.860 First, the Council will assess the nature,
00:11:45.860 the scale and the drivers of anti-Semitism in Canada,
00:11:49.560 including across our public institutions,
00:11:52.800 our workplaces, our campuses, our public services,
00:11:56.640 our professional bodies, our online spaces.
00:12:00.400 Because these are the places
00:12:02.040 where the habits of civic life are formed
00:12:05.520 and where, if those habits fracture, the fracture quickly spreads.
00:12:10.960 So he's going to study it.
00:12:12.640 We've been all studying it for two and a half years.
00:12:15.080 He just needs more studying.
00:12:17.180 Okay, what's he going to do with the study?
00:12:18.980 Secondly, the Council will coordinate a whole-of-government approach to anti-Semitism 0.52
00:12:23.960 because combating anti-Semitism is the responsibility we all share.
00:12:29.160 It will ensure that federal workplaces, federal policies, federal public safety programs, and community initiatives are aligned in protecting Jewish Canadians, confronting hate, and promoting inclusion.
00:12:43.280 Do you even know what that means?
00:12:46.140 They're going to be aligned in confronting hate and promoting inclusion.
00:12:49.980 What does that mean?
00:12:51.460 I'm going to show you in two minutes.
00:12:53.540 Just stay with me.
00:12:54.440 In two minutes from now, I'll show you why none of that is actually going to happen.
00:12:57.820 them. I'll let them continue. Third, the council will improve research in the collection
00:13:02.620 of data on hate incidents. It will build stronger data sharing systems. So all orders of government,
00:13:10.480 all police services are working from the same facts and with the same alignment.
00:13:15.700 Okay, thanks for more studying, boss. That's not really going to stop the bullets from flying.
00:13:20.400 And finally, the council will measure clearly the impact of our efforts so that we can reinforce investments in education, in prevention, training, and community safety.
00:13:32.660 Those particular investments that are actually delivering real results and are helping to build a safer, more inclusive Canada.
00:13:43.260 Got it. So more studying. So basically a lot of studying. But what will it actually do? I'll tell you what it's going to do.
00:13:49.500 You know, there's an old saying, personnel is policy, right?
00:13:53.000 So who were the Jews that Mark Carney put on this anti-Semitism panel?
00:13:57.600 Well, there's actually just one, Mark Gold, a very obedient liberal senator.
00:14:04.700 But no one else is Jewish.
00:14:06.840 No one else knows anything about anti-Semitism.
00:14:08.820 They're not involved in the battle at all. 1.00
00:14:11.560 There are two people, though, on his committee who know a lot about anti-Semitism because they commit it. 0.99
00:14:19.500 They literally do it. 0.96
00:14:22.220 They literally put a pro-Hamas activist named Omar Al-Ghabra on the anti-Semitism committee.
00:14:29.120 Here's a flashback to a video I did.
00:14:31.040 It's about a 10-minute long video.
00:14:32.260 I won't show it all.
00:14:33.540 Here's a video I did about him when Trudeau appointed him to cabinet. 0.53
00:14:36.880 He literally lobbied the Canadian government to decriminalize Hamas and Hezbollah.
00:14:42.640 So he's going on this panel to fight anti-Semitism when he is on the side of the anti-Semitic terrorists.
00:14:50.420 Take a listen to my report on him 11 years ago.
00:14:54.000 Omar al-Jabra was born in Saudi Arabia to Syrian parents.
00:14:56.940 So basically the two most fascist pro-terrorist places in the world.
00:15:01.320 Now it's possible that he couldn't wait to get out of there and come to Canada and embrace our values of liberty,
00:15:06.940 equality of men and women, separation of mosque and state, things like that.
00:15:10.980 but no. Once in Canada, he ran the Canadian Arab Federation, a group that is so anti-Semitic
00:15:18.020 it had its government funding cut off. They sued, but the courts ruled that, in fact,
00:15:23.840 it was reasonable to call them anti-Semitic. Here, let me quote the Federal Court of Appeal.
00:15:28.660 Quote,
00:15:28.920 There are mixed views about what constitutes anti-Semitism and whether the Federation's
00:15:34.440 conduct could be perceived to be anti-Semitic. The Federal Court found the record was replete
00:15:40.460 with articles and statements that supported the minister's characterization of the Federation.
00:15:46.460 Yeah, you think? I said he doesn't think terrorist groups should be illegal. Here's proof. Here's
00:15:52.380 Omar al-Jabra's press release opposing the criminalization of terrorist groups like Hamas
00:15:57.600 and Hezbollah. This is the man Justin Trudeau thinks will protect us. I said al-Jabra doesn't
00:16:03.380 think journalists should even be able to call terrorist groups terrorist groups. Here's proof
00:16:08.380 that here's his announcement declaring that he was taking a canadian newspaper chain to the press
00:16:14.220 council for the newspaper daring to add the word terrorist into wire stories to describe terrorists
00:16:21.580 yeah algebra isn't on canada's side a few years ago ontario police chiefs wanted to go to israel
00:16:27.660 to study counter-terrorism from the people who do it every day omar al-jabra wanted to stop this
00:16:33.980 Seriously, here's what he wrote
00:16:35.540 Sending the heads of Ontario police chiefs
00:16:38.920 to benefit from Israeli security experience
00:16:41.760 is like sending a Canadian parliamentarian delegation 0.75
00:16:44.560 to learn from Saddam Hussein about democracy
00:16:47.540 Uh, what? 0.71
00:16:49.700 He's equating the only Western liberal democracy in the region 0.99
00:16:53.520 with a Muslim dictator and war criminal? 0.75
00:16:56.600 That's bizarre 1.00
00:16:57.300 But the goal was the same 0.86
00:16:59.800 Demonize Israel 0.51
00:17:01.380 and stop our police from learning how to combat terrorism.
00:17:05.920 But Al Jaber didn't even like it when police went to a Jewish community event in Toronto
00:17:10.560 called Walk With Israel.
00:17:12.980 I've been to that one before.
00:17:14.480 It's like a community party, a walk with a bit of a festival at the end,
00:17:18.360 sort of like the St. Patrick's Day parade, but for Jews and people who like Israel,
00:17:22.340 like a party in Little Italy or like Chinese New Year.
00:17:25.420 It's something that happens in Toronto.
00:17:27.920 Omar Al Jaber was against that.
00:17:30.280 Here's what this little bigot wrote about that.
00:17:33.180 He called this family march, quote,
00:17:36.240 a show of solidarity for a foreign state
00:17:38.380 currently in the midst of an unresolved conflict, 0.65
00:17:41.140 a country that is conducting a brutal
00:17:42.920 and the longest contemporary military occupation in the world.
00:17:47.280 So he wanted Toronto officials like the police chief
00:17:49.600 to boycott the Jewish march. 0.97
00:17:51.960 What a little anti-Semite. 0.94
00:17:53.720 And he's now the junior foreign minister. 1.00
00:17:55.800 Yeah, I feel safe. 0.99
00:17:57.120 He loves calling Israel brutal 1.00
00:17:59.420 while he defends Muslim terrorist groups. 0.95
00:18:02.400 This isn't just stuff he said when he was the leader
00:18:04.840 of the anti-Semitic Canadian Arab Federation way back when.
00:18:08.220 I mean, just last year,
00:18:09.880 when Israel finally struck back at the Hamas terrorists
00:18:12.520 in the Gaza Strip,
00:18:14.040 who had been raining rockets down on Israeli civilians,
00:18:16.980 Al-Jabra wrote a Facebook post calling Israel,
00:18:19.940 once again, blind and cruel. 0.72
00:18:23.440 But not a word against the Hamas attacks 0.88
00:18:25.680 on Israeli civilians that started it.
00:18:28.220 In fact, when the arch-terrorist Yasser Arafat died,
00:18:32.780 Omar al-Jabr announced that he was in mourning.
00:18:36.840 Seriously, he was grieving.
00:18:38.960 Now, by the way, he kept at it as an MP.
00:18:41.560 He would socialize with notorious Holocaust deniers.
00:18:45.640 He would hang out with terrorism supporters.
00:18:48.160 It's outrageous that he was an MP, let alone a liberal minister.
00:18:51.800 But to be put on the Jewish file, the anti-Semitism file,
00:18:56.540 This is so outrageous.
00:18:58.540 He is literally a defender of Hamas, and he has been put on the anti-Semitism committee.
00:19:03.060 Well, not just him, an anti-Semite from Edmonton named Avnish Nanda, whose specialty is representing
00:19:09.020 Islamist extremists.
00:19:10.800 He actually represented some pro-terror Islamist who sued me before he got tired and abandoned
00:19:18.020 the lawsuit. 0.63
00:19:19.060 This guy's specialty is suing Jews and suing to promote terrorism.
00:19:24.360 I mean, take a look here.
00:19:25.280 This is a CBC story. Charter challenge launched against U of A for removal of pro-Palestine encampment in 2024. So at this pro-Hamas encampment at U of A, it was like all universities, anti-Semitic propaganda designed to humiliate and embarrass and alienate Jewish students and staff and professors. And Nanda went to court to stop the university from clearing it out, even though most of the propagandists weren't even students.
00:19:50.540 So remember I told you to remember those things a few moments ago?
00:19:54.260 Because Mark Carney said this is specifically going to deal with Holocaust deniers and those university encampments.
00:20:01.140 He put on the panel the lawyer for the anti-Semitic encampments and the MP who loves to hang out with Holocaust deniers.
00:20:09.620 That's who Carney is putting on the anti-Semitism panel.
00:20:13.160 People who practice anti-Semitism promote it.
00:20:17.120 Here's a Globe story.
00:20:18.240 Minister and MPs attend parliamentary reception with Holocaust deniers.
00:20:21.620 So gross.
00:20:22.640 Let me play just one more moment from Carney's speech.
00:20:24.880 We welcome the peoples of the world and all their diversity and all that splendor.
00:20:30.440 We don't welcome the world's hatreds.
00:20:33.000 When you come to Canada, you bring your faith, your tradition, your language, your story.
00:20:37.340 You leave behind your animosities.
00:20:39.900 Who is he talking about?
00:20:42.040 Who needs to leave their animosities overseas? 1.00
00:20:45.480 Is it the Jews? 1.00
00:20:47.380 Who is doing all this bad stuff?
00:20:49.600 Why won't he say?
00:20:50.900 Who's going after the Jews of Canada?
00:20:52.500 Who's marching in the streets?
00:20:55.560 Listen to this.
00:20:56.420 The covenant runs in every direction.
00:21:00.140 Anti-Semitism breaks it.
00:21:01.500 Islamophobia breaks it. 0.85
00:21:03.000 Burning churches breaks it. 0.61
00:21:04.300 Transphobia breaks it.
00:21:05.920 The targeting of any Canadian for their faith, their origin, their identity breaks it.
00:21:11.160 Has any mosque been targeted in the same way synagogues have? 1.00
00:21:15.320 I mean, there's atrocious things done by Muslim countries every day. 1.00
00:21:19.960 Has any mosque in Canada been targeted by people who are mad at Muslims in Canada for the actions of governments overseas?
00:21:27.200 That's what anti-Zionism is.
00:21:29.620 You're going after Jews in Canada because of something that Israel may or may not have done.
00:21:33.880 Does that happen to Muslims or Sikhs or anyone else?
00:21:36.820 Of course not.
00:21:38.700 So why did he shoehorn this into his anti-Semitism speech?
00:21:42.140 What does transphobia have to do with any of this?
00:21:44.240 Have any transgender places, whatever those might be, being targeted by gunfire or picketing or something?
00:21:54.160 Why is he bringing in all of those things, transphobia, Islamophobia, that aren't happening?
00:21:59.340 There's no terrorism against Muslims or transgender.
00:22:03.200 He's pretending to talk to Jews in a synagogue about what's happening to Jews, but he just can't help himself.
00:22:09.700 It's the same reason he doesn't say the word Zionism.
00:22:12.420 For the same reason he doesn't actually call for any action here, other than lots of studying.
00:22:17.200 For the same reason he puts two Islamist activists on the committee, and just one liberal Jew. 0.68
00:22:22.900 For the same reason he wants more third world immigration than ever.
00:22:26.520 Mark Carney is completely fine, presiding over the slow ethnic cleansing of Jews from Canada.
00:22:34.300 Once in a while he'll give a speech like this, once in a while he'll go to a left-wing synagogue, 1.00
00:22:38.300 and he'll pose for photos with his few remaining Jewish MPs 0.62
00:22:42.820 and he'll hope his Jewish donors are the last to leave.
00:22:46.040 But he'll never actually name the threat to Jews,
00:22:48.960 name the source of anti-Semitism.
00:22:50.380 He'll never actually side with the Jews.
00:22:52.540 Even Justin Trudeau said, I'm a Zionist.
00:22:56.540 No one in Canada should ever be afraid to call themselves a Zionist.
00:23:02.400 I am a Zionist.
00:23:04.800 carney would never say that because he's not a zionist he's for whatever it takes to get the
00:23:12.020 two million muslim votes and that means making sure this anti-semitism committee is actually
00:23:16.600 stacked with anti-semites and they can't do anything anyways other than some research and
00:23:21.720 looking into more hate speech laws that will be used against jews or others who commit islamophobia
00:23:28.400 stay with us more ahead 0.98
00:23:34.800 When I was growing up, there weren't a lot of civil liberties groups in Canada, but they
00:23:44.680 did care.
00:23:45.520 I remember meeting Alan Borevoy, one of the early civil libertarians in Canada.
00:23:51.080 He was the boss of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association, and he was the kind of guy who
00:23:57.020 loved freedom of speech, especially in the hard cases.
00:24:01.060 It would be like my old friend John O'Sullivan used to say, it's easier to fight in the first
00:24:04.700 ditch than in the last ditch. And Alan Borevoy took that to heart as in he would take cases that
00:24:10.500 other people found odious because he knew that if you give an inch, well, you've lost that inch
00:24:15.520 forever. And now you have a new front line and on and on. Well, Alan Borevoy is gone. And I regret
00:24:20.480 that the Canadian Civil Liberties Association is not what it once was. In fact, so many of the
00:24:25.420 civil liberties groups in Canada simply turned off the lights during COVID. They were so caught up
00:24:30.420 in conformity and obedience that they didn't realize the civil liberties bonfire we had,
00:24:37.500 which I think was the worst in Canadian history, by the way. But the good news is, as the old line
00:24:44.940 liberal civil liberties groups have faded, a new crop of civil liberties organizations has come
00:24:50.400 forward. You know that one of our favorites is the Democracy Fund, which Rebel News participated
00:24:56.400 with during the COVID times to defend more than 3,000 people. There's also a very new group headed
00:25:02.200 up by our friend Lisa Bildy called the Free Speech Union of Canada. And one of my favorite groups
00:25:08.880 that's been around, I'd say it's the granddaddy of them all because it's been around for more than a
00:25:12.560 decade, is the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms, headed up by our friend John Carpe and
00:25:18.960 working with lawyers from charter advocates. My point is that all three of these groups, it was
00:25:24.680 It was like a crossover where you had Batman and Superman and Spider-Man together.
00:25:31.220 These three great groups, Democracy Fund, Lisa Buildies, Free Speech Union, and the Justice Center,
00:25:36.960 all sitting beside each other in the Senate, fighting for freedom.
00:25:42.760 Oh, boy.
00:25:44.060 Isn't that a great innovation?
00:25:45.480 Joining us now by Skype is James Manson from the Justice Center.
00:25:49.700 James, great to see you again.
00:25:51.560 Thanks very much.
00:25:52.380 It's great to be here.
00:25:53.120 You know, what do you think of my observation that the three years, you, Lisa Bildy and Mark Joseph of the Democracy Fund, you know, you're the new generation of civil libertarians who have filled the void left by the decline of the old liberal civil libertarians.
00:26:10.260 Well, that's very kind. Thank you very much. I will take that as a badge of honor, Ezra. Certainly, I got involved five or six years ago during the height of COVID because I couldn't sit idly by and watch what was happening to our country in the sense of our restrictions on all of our constitutional freedoms. So I take your compliment, Ezra. Thanks very much.
00:26:32.160 Well, you're very welcome. It's a compliment, but it's also an observation of how there is a freedom movement that's growing. And to see the three of you invited to the Senate, not just everyone gets an invitation to the Senate. Can you set the scene a little bit for us? This was a Senate committee, so they were having hearings on C9. Can you remind our viewers what C9 is and why you, Lisa, and Mark would have been called in to give your side of the story?
00:26:57.500 sure Ezra bill c9 is not a very big bill it's not a very large bill but it is a very important bill
00:27:05.660 from our perspective um what it was what it was there for what it's trying to do is it's trying
00:27:11.940 to amend the criminal code and it's trying to add a few new criminal offenses a few new crimes if
00:27:20.000 you will and all of these crimes are revolving around what the liberal government considers to
00:27:25.600 be hate crime. So there are a number of offenses that the Liberal government would have us,
00:27:32.480 you know, amend the criminal code and set up in the criminal code as new crimes.
00:27:37.180 And essentially, we were asked, we were invited by the Senate to come and give our views on the
00:27:43.500 bill. What do we think of the bill? What do we think of each of the provisions of the bill?
00:27:48.140 There's a few different ones. And of course, we all focused on different things, you know,
00:27:51.880 in the hearing. But we all were able to go to the committee hearing and tell the senators in the
00:27:56.940 committee, this was the Human Rights Committee, by the way, and we were able to tell the senators
00:28:02.220 what we thought of the bill and how we thought things would play out if the bill was passed.
00:28:08.600 Now, the Senate is overwhelmingly liberal. Stephen Harper refused on principle to appoint
00:28:14.280 senators during his tenure as prime minister. So were there all these vacancies that normally
00:28:19.760 would have been filled with conservative senators. When Harper stepped down, Trudeau just had a
00:28:24.820 festival, a frenzy of appointments. Now, some of those senators claim they're independent-minded,
00:28:30.840 but of course, you dance with the one that brung you, and they were all appointed by Trudeau.
00:28:35.860 What was it like? Were they generally non-partisan? I saw some of the questions that were put to our
00:28:42.340 friend Mark Joseph, and they actually were, you know, it was clear they were written by some
00:28:46.280 staff or not by the senators themselves but they were not as sharp attacks as i had thought given
00:28:51.720 that they were from liberal centers what was your experience yeah i would agree with that ezra they
00:28:56.600 weren't as pointed as i was expecting i was kind of expecting a uh you know to be kind of in the
00:29:02.300 belly of the beast if you will when i was in that committee hearing room but it wasn't it wasn't that
00:29:07.340 experience uh the senators did have some you know some good questions for us in terms of you know
00:29:13.720 what would happen if we took away the religious defense that a lot of people are talking about?
00:29:19.360 What would happen, you know, if we outlawed these symbols and not those symbols, these kinds of
00:29:26.300 questions? So, you know, I think there was some attempt at a sober second thought, which is what
00:29:31.760 the Senate is supposed to provide. Yeah. You know, we've all heard the phrase a thankless task.
00:29:36.400 I think it might have been Ernest Manning who came up with the phrase for the Senate,
00:29:39.760 a taskless thanks and which i think he himself was appointed to um in the end of his career
00:29:46.340 hey we have a clip of your appearance and it's about a two minute clip i'd like to play it and
00:29:51.760 you can see the three amigos mark joseph lisa bildi and james manson i love that picture and
00:29:56.700 i just i'm so proud to see the three of you there the new generation of freedom advocates
00:30:02.220 because i know that you know not too recently none of these three organizations were around
00:30:08.500 And so I'm just getting a lot of pride in seeing it.
00:30:12.180 Here, let's play a two-minute exchange with you and the senators.
00:30:16.100 I'm so glad you were there.
00:30:17.180 Here, take a look.
00:30:17.660 My sense of it is that if the defense, the religious defense, as I define it in the brief here, if that's removed from the 319 sub-3 defenses, we now have a different legal regime, a different, potentially a different constitutional regime.
00:30:34.420 It's no longer certain that Section 319 Sub 2 is constitutional anymore.
00:30:42.220 Now, I think that we can all agree that that would be counterproductive.
00:30:45.540 I think it's a good idea. 0.92
00:30:47.520 My organization believes it's a good idea to have hate legislation like 319 Sub 2.
00:30:53.700 So why would we want to call that back into question?
00:30:58.100 Why would we want to risk having another charter challenge, like in Keegstra,
00:31:02.640 where somebody wants to come and say, hey, what I said wasn't hateful or whatever,
00:31:06.860 and the section itself is unconstitutional.
00:31:09.960 That is a massive amount of judicial resources that would be required,
00:31:13.540 probably go back to the Supreme Court of Canada,
00:31:15.740 for another go-around when really that would be counterproductive.
00:31:20.180 And to build on what I said in my opening remarks, Senator,
00:31:23.760 we're also considering a defence here that has never been successfully used.
00:31:29.320 It's there.
00:31:29.960 It was part of the constitutional balance that was struck by the court.
00:31:34.300 However, there are other cases.
00:31:36.400 Harding is one of them, which I put into my brief, where in Harding, the accused, in fact, was intermingling some hateful remarks against, I think it was Muslim people, with religious texts.
00:31:49.940 And he tried to use this defense to exonerate himself.
00:31:53.740 And the court said, no, we're not going to have it, because when you intermingle religious texts or quotes with hateful remarks, that is not the intent of the section.
00:32:04.060 So it's a high bar, senators, to actually avail yourself of this defence at all.
00:32:10.760 So why remove it anyway?
00:32:12.220 If it's too high to get to in most cases, where's the need to remove it?
00:32:18.060 particularly when I go back again, Senator, to my suggestion that we will be maybe undermining
00:32:25.580 the constitutionality of the section of 319 sub 2 at all, which then throws us back into
00:32:32.000 constitutional uncertainty. And as I'm sure, Senators, you're aware, as lawmakers, we want
00:32:38.940 certainty in Canada. We want uniformity. We want certainty. We don't want people to know
00:32:43.600 when they can and can't say what they want to say.
00:32:45.940 That's a little bit of dense legalese, but let me see if I can explain that. 319 is a promoting hatred section of the criminal code, and 319 sub 2 is a defense that says if you genuinely have a religious belief, that's exempted.
00:33:01.780 And I think what was going on there, and James, you correct me if I'm wrong, is that you're saying if we remove the religious defense, that might throw the whole constitutional legality of this law out the door.
00:33:14.920 Because when this was written, you had that safety valve, you had that protection.
00:33:19.460 If you're removing that now, that might make the whole hate speech law, hate crime law illegal.
00:33:24.980 I think that's what was going on there.
00:33:26.820 It was pretty dense stuff.
00:33:28.180 Am I right?
00:33:28.680 basically yes ezra you're right what this all goes back to is a very important case from the
00:33:35.740 supreme court back in 1990 called rv keegstra and i don't need to go into that case at all but
00:33:41.660 basically mr keegstra was challenging the constitutionality of the hate of the hateful
00:33:47.780 promotion uh offense there and what happened was he had made some very vile remarks of i think it
00:33:54.800 was about jewish people and he was suggesting that the that he had freedom of speech and that
00:34:00.320 the hate crime their provision was unconstitutional because it violated his freedom of speech
00:34:05.600 and what the court said was no it doesn't and one of the reasons why it doesn't violate freedom of
00:34:12.540 expression is because there were some defenses that were set up by so you take those defenses
00:34:17.980 away and you remove and by the way i i don't i personally don't agree with this law uh i i think
00:34:24.760 this law has made things worse not better and and i i i think that getting in the hate speech
00:34:30.220 business is the wrong thing but what you're saying is you were there in the senate to argue
00:34:35.080 that don't take away that free speech defense of religious belief because a it's good in its own
00:34:42.220 right and b if you take it away that that might cause a future court to say this law is no longer
00:34:49.380 balanced for freedom you took away the freedom of religion defense you've made it an untenable
00:34:55.540 overreach so what you're actually saying hey if you believe in hate speech laws you want this
00:35:00.500 defense to keep it balanced is that what you're saying that's exactly what i'm saying as or and
00:35:05.280 of course to your point removing this religious defense now it's no longer clear whether a minister
00:35:11.480 in in a pulpit on sunday morning is able to quote religious texts from the bible for example
00:35:18.120 without getting into trouble and and and that is a problem and i remember mark miller the the
00:35:23.760 minister saying you're darn right that's exactly right i mean he was sort of boasting about it
00:35:28.440 here's a clip of mark miller saying that if someone were literally invoking a passage from
00:35:33.580 in this case the bible but there are other religious texts that say the same thing
00:35:37.120 and somehow say that this is good faith.
00:35:40.920 I mean, clearly there are situations in these texts
00:35:43.160 where these statements are hateful,
00:35:44.840 they should not be used to invoke or be a defense,
00:35:49.760 and there should perhaps be discretion for prosecutors to press charges.
00:35:53.840 I just want to understand what your notion of good faith is in this context
00:35:56.620 where there are clearly passages in religious texts that are clearly hateful.
00:36:01.160 Well, James, that was a little heavy duty on the legalese there,
00:36:03.960 but I think you and I managed to unpack it a bit for our viewers.
00:36:07.120 I'm not sure if it went over the heads of the senators.
00:36:09.540 I mean, Trudeau, some of his appointments are sharper knives than others.
00:36:14.600 Listen, it's a delight to have you on.
00:36:16.480 I guess really I'm just enjoying the moment that you, Lisa, and Mark,
00:36:21.900 three freedom-oriented lawyers sitting next to each other like a phalanx of soldiers fighting for freedom.
00:36:28.900 It's a little bit technical, yes, but so what?
00:36:31.900 That's how the law is.
00:36:32.980 And to have you in the heart of the upper chamber of our parliament, I think everyone who's ever donated to those three civil liberties groups should feel a moment of pride because I think it's a landmark.
00:36:47.020 I don't think the three of you have ever been together, the three organizations like that in parliament.
00:36:51.840 I think it's something to be remarked on.
00:36:55.320 And I'd like to just speak to our viewers for a moment
00:36:58.900 because so much of the funding for the Democracy Fund,
00:37:02.360 LeasAbilities, Free Speech Union, and the Justice Center
00:37:04.820 is crowdfunding.
00:37:06.320 There is some foundation support,
00:37:08.480 but the bread and butter is ordinary people,
00:37:10.580 including viewers of Rebel News.
00:37:12.540 So the feelings I have of pride should be shared by viewers
00:37:16.920 who have chipped in over the years.
00:37:18.940 James, last word to you.
00:37:20.020 um nothing to say ezra other than thank you so much for doing what you do we appreciate the
00:37:27.160 amplification uh you know through your channels and it's always a pleasure to be here and i i
00:37:32.200 agree with you it's excellent that all three of us were invited into the belly of the beast last
00:37:37.260 week and hopefully we'll be there again you know in short order right on james manson a lawyer with
00:37:43.540 charter advocates working with the justice center stay with us your letters to me next
00:37:48.540 hey welcome back your letters to me kromonsky says if there was a province that needed its
00:38:04.900 independence back it's newfoundland and labrador ottawa and the liberals are holding you back
00:38:09.100 you now have a huge ability to expand your oil and gas you can do this yeah you know um really
00:38:14.620 Newfoundland, I'm not an expert, but from what I've read, they really were entering Canada
00:38:20.680 from a position of strength in so many ways. And I think they were diminished in some ways by
00:38:27.840 joining Canada. I mean, obviously other opportunities open to them as well, but I don't
00:38:31.560 think they fared as well in Confederation as some of the advocates thought they might. Remember,
00:38:36.000 they had a referendum on that question. Ladwig said, if Alberta had to pay 400,000 to leave
00:38:42.480 canada we would take that debt for the start of our independence from ottawa and pay it off over
00:38:48.040 a few years with the money we would send to them you know i don't understand exactly what you're
00:38:52.020 getting at but when you send 20 billion dollars a year net from alberta to ottawa you can cover
00:38:58.620 just about everything they're doing for what are they doing for alberta there's not much of a
00:39:03.860 military left i mean uh they they do some stamps and coins it's not hard to to do um passport
00:39:11.920 printing. Like it's very, very few things they do. And a lot of things I think would be negotiated
00:39:17.720 because everyone's reasonable. And if Alberta was gone, I don't think there would be a,
00:39:22.660 we're going to get them in revenge. That just wouldn't work. I mean, if you want
00:39:26.800 the Trans-Canada pipeline and the CP rail to cross Alberta, you'd probably
00:39:32.340 be willing to allow that pipeline to cross BC. I mean, it's just, it's just normal,
00:39:38.140 rational things. Alberta has to put up 0.99
00:39:40.280 with a lot of abuse because it's sort of part of the 1.00
00:39:42.220 family. I don't think it would
00:39:44.320 have to as a foreign country. Just an idea.
00:39:47.380 Wade Agoss says,
00:39:48.320 Being a Newfoundlander in Alberta, I have to
00:39:50.280 say Newfoundlanders have been screwed by government since 0.93
00:39:52.240 Confederation. Look at Churchill Falls.
00:39:54.880 Also, our fisheries were taken away
00:39:56.300 and used as a political pond since the 90s.
00:39:58.460 I'm in Alberta because of that very reason.
00:40:00.540 An entire generation had to leave Newfoundland
00:40:02.320 or stay on the pogey in government dole. 0.71
00:40:04.240 They basically forced Newfoundland into poverty.
00:40:05.960 You know, I've certainly heard that, and Ottawa completely mismanaged the fishery, which was such an important part of Newfoundland's economy and life.
00:40:16.120 I agree with you there.
00:40:17.540 And Churchill Falls, for those who don't know, is a power deal that, as the falls suggests, it's Newfoundland where the power comes from.
00:40:26.380 But Quebec gets the dough before they resell it to America.
00:40:29.420 It's sort of a crazy deal.
00:40:31.320 Anyway, that's our show for today.
00:40:33.400 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here,
00:40:36.020 the Ripple World Headquarters,
00:40:37.080 to you at home, wherever you are,
00:40:38.420 good night, and keep fighting for freedom.