In the United Kingdom, muslims have a critical mass and they re forming their own political movements. Is that Canada s future too? We talk to Jack Hadfield about it, and why he thinks it s a good thing.
00:01:51.100Well, I always say I follow the United Kingdom not only because it is the mother country for
00:02:01.400Canada and all of our institutions were modeled on British institutions from our parliament to
00:02:07.140our common law, to our belief in freedom of speech, by the way, but also because just as
00:02:12.760we follow in the footsteps of the United Kingdom historically, I regret to say we're following in0.99
00:02:17.480their footsteps as they hurtle towards ruin, especially through mass immigration. And they1.00
00:02:23.180are several years further down the road than we are. One of the interesting things is that they
00:02:28.540have such a large Islamic population now that in many districts, the Muslim activists no longer
00:02:36.860seek to piggyback or stow away, let's say, in the Labour Party, but rather run in their own name
00:02:43.320And in districts where the Muslim vote is 30, 40, 50 percent, there's no need to borrow the jacket of the Labour Party or even the Green Party.0.67
00:02:53.140And there are half a dozen MPs who ran on a Give Gaza Your Voice ticket.
00:03:36.380Anyhow, you don't need to hear it from me. Let's talk to a man who follows British politics more closely than most. His name is Jack Hadfield. I have the pleasure of watching his citizen journalism either online or in person. Jack Hadfield, great to see you. Thanks for joining us.
00:03:50.320Yeah, thanks so much for having me on again.
00:03:59.500All of the trends that you have been covering and that we have covered for years are really hitting a critical mass, I think.
00:04:08.180Let's start with not just immigration, but the illegal migrants who tend to come across in little small boats.
00:04:15.300I understand that recently it hit the 200,000 mark.0.89
00:04:19.120Is that accurate, that people just get on boats, cross over the English Channel, and they're set for life?
00:04:25.440Yeah, I mean, that is the current system with what we have now.
00:04:31.880Certainly, the Labour government is trying to crack down on illegal migration because they recognize that, obviously, this is one reason why people have turned against them.
00:04:42.280And obviously the conservatives is that, you know, this this this migration wave, you know, really took off in under Tony Blair's leadership in 1997.
00:04:51.680And then obviously, you know, we've seen with the Boris wave as well under the conservatives.
00:04:56.000But so so they're trying to tackle illegal migration.
00:04:59.020So Shabana Mahmood, who's the Home Secretary now, is trying to have to do a number of schemes on this, but none of them are working.
00:05:06.140For example, she tried to do a one in one out swap policy with the boat migrants with France.
00:05:12.280uh taking people in who had links to britain etc um but that didn't even work and it's cost so much
00:05:18.360money um people have been coming in and back over anyway as soon as they've been come back to france
00:05:22.840so i just hop on another boat um and i think overall when it when it was when it was paused
00:05:27.800recently uh britain ended up taking in like net three migrants so we were up three people on this
00:05:33.800scheme that we pay hundreds of millions of pounds the french for um so so the labor is trying to
00:05:38.920to tackle this at the very least, but it's clearly not working at all. You know, you're much closer
00:05:44.900to it than me, but I am skeptical that the Labour government actually wants to tackle it. I think
00:05:49.840they want to certainly tackle the perception that they're weak on migration, but I don't think they
00:05:54.040want to tackle it because it is basically replacing traditional British voters who tend to be more
00:06:00.460conservative with radical voters. It's basically the Zoran Mamdani method. How do you get a
00:06:07.540uh islam oriented communist in power in new york city a jewish capitalist city well you bring in
00:06:15.960millions of people from abroad who lack a connection or a history there so i don't actually
00:06:21.300believe that the labor government wants to do anything about it and and you mentioned legal
00:06:25.760versus illegal migration there's an enormous number of illegal migrants frankly i think those
00:06:31.460are the easier ones to deal with or they could be just kick it out but i think both the labor
00:06:37.000government that and the you mentioned the boris wave that's those are the migrants that came under
00:06:41.900the 14 years previous to the labor win there's just a bigger problem with quote legal migration
00:06:50.360isn't there i mean uh legal illegal it still results in people in the uk who probably shouldn't
00:06:57.200be there yeah i completely agree but i would disagree with you on labor not wanting to tackle1.00
00:07:03.700it because i think it's true overall yes labor did think you know by bringing in these migrants
00:07:09.040you know that they're all going to vote for us but as you mentioned at the top of the show they're
00:07:13.140not voting for labor anymore they're moving over to the greens or a majority i think a polarity at
00:07:18.720least uh i think five pillars which is the uh which is a muslim news site here in uk polled
00:07:24.960their readership uh in terms of who they were voting for in the local elections uh the biggest
00:07:29.520number i think around 46 percent were voting for independent muslim candidates uh down next were
00:07:35.480that they weren't going to vote at all and next just after that uh still with a good chunk would
00:07:40.100be voting for the greens labor was much much further down on this so so one they have the
00:07:45.200electoral incentive now uh to actually you know work work against the coalition that they built
00:07:51.380because they've now been abandoned and then second i think in a personal reason for shibana
00:07:56.440Mahmood for example who is of Pakistani heritage herself as someone that's more to the right of the
00:08:02.900Labour Party I think she sees the issue with the the complete rapid mass migration in that someone
00:08:09.340who's come from a community that's been here for quite a few decades in sort of early multiculturalism
00:08:14.780you know when when you have you know said 95 you know 90 to 95 percent of the population being
00:08:20.100white British and five to ten percent some other ethnic group you know it's it's kind of fine but
00:08:24.120When demographic replacement gets on people's minds, there's going to be more of a turn against this. So I think Siobhan Mahmood and some other people like that in the Labour Party realise perhaps for their own self-preservation to enable themselves to continue to exist and be an accepted part of the British society and community, she thinks we should then get a handle on legal migration because otherwise her community will become under more attacks and more scrutiny from the native population.
00:08:52.360You know, I saw just this morning an interview on radio with Zach Polanski. He's the nominal leader of the Green Party. He's nominally Jewish. I think he's about as Jewish as a ham sandwich. But, you know, he can say that he's descended from Jews and he's extremely anti-Israel to the point of, I think, being anti-Semitic.
00:09:11.680Just the other day, there were some terrorists that attacked some Jews on the street and police subdued them. And he criticized the police for subduing him. It was quite something. And he was on the radio because there's some local elections. So I'm not talking about for members of parliament, but this is for like local town councils.
00:09:28.880and he was asked is give gaza your vote or lend your vote to gaza really the right message for
00:09:39.960the green party in the city council election but look at his answer to that here i'll play the
00:09:44.500clip do you believe that palestine is to coin a phrase on the ballot this thursday uh i think
00:09:50.240lots of people lots of things are on the ballot this thursday but it is palestine on the ballot
00:09:53.740i think it's one of the elements as is the climate crisis as is what does it mean palestine is on
00:09:57.720the ballot? Because the reason I ask you is because your candidate for mayor of Lewisham
00:10:01.520says Palestine is on the ballot this Thursday. Haringey Green Party campaign launch video,
00:10:07.780you might think it'd be about bins. You might think it'd be about schools, hospitals. It might
00:10:12.680be about cleaning up the roads. It is a series of councillors saying as a councillor, I will take
00:10:17.640all appropriate steps to uphold the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. Do you think
00:10:23.600council elections really should be about Palestine I think they can be about all of those things and
00:10:29.420I think what people have seen in this country is a genocide for two and a half years that our
00:10:33.760government are still arming are still sharing intelligence with and I think lots of people
00:10:37.840feel very strongly both about their local services as they should do and feel equally strongly about
00:10:42.920the fact that there's a reprehensible genocide happening and they vote the way they vote in
00:10:48.940local elections should be determined by their views of Israel and Palestine. I wouldn't tell
00:10:54.140anyone how their vote should be determined but I think it's an element for lots of people in how
00:10:57.460they vote. And you think that will contribute to community cohesion do you? I think yes. How?
00:11:01.520Because I think we shouldn't pit Jewish safety against a genocide in Gaza that's conflating
00:11:06.320anti-Semitism and criticism of the Israeli government. That's something Benjamin Netanyahu
00:11:10.460does regularly and as a Jewish person that makes me feel less safe. Sure but there are lots of
00:11:15.060Jewish people who would say to you they feel unsafe if they feel that their councillors
00:11:20.260are motivated first and foremost by Palestine. And if somebody gives that speech, for example,
00:11:27.200about Palestine being on the ballot, they are likely to think that. We looked, for example,
00:11:33.900at Barnet Greens, where one in seven residents identify as Jewish. And it includes in its
00:11:41.020manifesto, the fact that you're standing up for Palestine. Do you think that's going to help?
00:11:46.740Well, I walk regularly on Palestinian marches with hundreds and hundreds, in fact,
00:11:50.740thousands of people, many of whom are Jewish. And there have been rabbis who have spoken out
00:11:54.700on this too. I accept though, there are Jewish people whose views are equally as valid,
00:11:59.340who don't agree with those views. And I think the job of all of us who are in public life right now
00:12:04.700is to deescalate tensions. So, I mean, here you have, he sort of looks Jewish. His name is Zach1.00
00:12:10.880polanski he actually made his name more ethnically sounding he changed his name back to a more
00:12:17.480jewish sounding name because he wanted to get that aura but he's teamed up with a guy named
00:12:23.820mothan ali who dresses in full pakistani garb his wife is in the full ninja outfit like not
00:12:31.260like not even just a little hijab the full face obscuring you know i don't know how this party0.99
00:12:37.340can stay together how can you have a party led by an atheist jew who goes to gay nightclubs0.97
00:12:44.660and also led by a pakistani extremist whose wife is not allowed to show her face in public how is0.97
00:12:53.580this that's called the green party how is that a stable molecule it sounds like it's about to break
00:12:58.960apart no yeah exactly i mean uh it won't um about it sorry it will um but for now as long as they're
00:13:07.260sort of united uh against israel in general which is a lot of people on the left and certainly
00:13:11.740that's that's what unites all a lot of these people uh in the green party now you know uh
00:13:18.240the sort of anti-zionist uh communist leftist uh types you know who have that uh foreign policy
00:13:24.960position along with obviously all the um muslims in the party as well that's probably i'd probably
00:13:30.800say that's the one issue that they're all that is kind of the glue currently now um on this on this
00:13:37.000leftist rainbow coalition but like as you said you know there is obviously a big difference between
00:13:41.920you know radical uh islamist muslims uh and yeah lgbt you know trans supporting lot because yeah
00:13:50.080there's obviously a lot of muslims who don't want you know trans nonsense in schools and you've seen0.82
00:13:53.760this, like in Britain on that debate. So, you know, it's not, it's quite a very fractious1.00
00:13:59.460coalition overall. You know, I just want to play for you a quick clip because a few weeks ago,
00:14:05.280there was a by-election. In fact, GB News' Matt Goodwin ran as the Reform UK candidate. He did a
00:14:10.860good job, but the demographics were just overwhelming. He had no chance. He would have
00:14:15.180had a chance 40 years ago. He would have won in a slam dunk, but the UK of today is very different.
00:14:19.620it's a different country um let me show you the successful candidate who's sort of a party girl0.98
00:14:24.980she she dresses a little bit like the old american pop star cindy lopper like a little bit radical1.00
00:14:30.760and a little bit dissident and she's just all about dancing and love and having a good time
00:14:37.320and let me just show you a clip she and zach polanski had a dance party in trafalgar square
00:14:42.880i want to show that to you and i want to contrast that with like you say the central mobilizing
00:14:48.320issue for the party, is Gaza. Here, take a look at this dance party.
00:15:04.640Who is here for love, unity, solidarity!
00:15:12.200Now that looks like a lot of fun. It was very gay. There were gay male dancers there, and1.00
00:15:17.780very sexual, very libertine. And the winner of the election was a party girl. I think that the0.98
00:15:26.000Islamists who would find that all very haram, I mean, Mothan Ali was not there. I think they're0.99
00:15:31.580absolutely fine with that because that's the Trojan horse. Oh, look, it's just a very pretty
00:15:37.400dancey pop music girl who looks like Ellie Goulding. Lots of fun. Hey, join the Green Party.
00:15:44.000We're cool. We're fun. We have dance parties. And yeah, you're going to get a few percent of people who are sort of like Greta Thunberg and will do that. But really, it's the Trojan horse to smuggle in an enormous Muslim vote. And not just Muslim, Islamist. I think it's actually a trick more than a coalition.
00:16:03.460yeah i mean that's that's definitely true i mean there are definitely people certainly on the
00:16:09.100muslim side of the green party that will have this entire attitude to that um but there's
00:16:14.520definitely a lot of people in the greens who are uh naive as well not necessarily people right at
00:16:19.220the top uh but certainly a lot of green members councillors voters uh will be you know you know
00:16:24.900will think that there is this this rainbow coalition they are true believers uh in this
00:16:29.520policy and and just in terms of the whole uh economic left shift that uh that that uh that
00:16:36.040they promote as well you know massive wealth taxes everything is you know completely anti-business
00:16:40.660you know open the borders you know lgbt everywhere um although one one one interesting um kind of0.92
00:16:47.900point i want to raise is that actually like the green party aren't the actual real fun party
00:16:53.000because i i think i think it's true that they are sort of performatively fun and they have sort of
00:16:59.260this veneer but overall they're very they're controlling you know um sort of primary teacher
00:17:06.200tier behavior on this treating us like little kids because hannah spencer uh as you mentioned
00:17:10.860you know she was complaining about uh mps uh having a pint in parliament um yeah obviously
00:17:16.640and these sessions uh last until like 10 11 p.m some days and it's not like they're uh you know
00:17:22.200driving forklifts uh you know but uh i think you know that there's there's times where you would
00:17:27.620you would go at 6 p.m. after the main work in between votes, have a couple of pints socializing
00:17:33.360and networking and plotting politics with your MPs there. And he said, no, no, no, you can't do that.
00:17:38.120You can't have fun at all. Reform UK is a very much more libertarian, freewheeling,
00:17:43.220actually fun party. The Greens just like to pretend they are. But really, they're just as
00:17:48.640controlling and nanny state as the rest of them. You know, you mentioned before the Labour Party
00:17:54.020that used to be the party of the working class.
00:17:56.900And I think the Greens would like to pretend
00:17:59.860that they speak for the working class,
00:18:01.400but again, they're just sort of rich kids,
00:18:14.520I think the working class voters are with Nigel Farage,
00:18:17.720because he's real, he wants to hold the line
00:18:20.600against mass immigration legal and illegal i think i mean his position has evolved let me show you
00:18:27.080he's he's got a colleague i think he's the chairman of reform uk who's a pakistani british
00:18:32.000man if i'm not mistaken zia yusuf who's pretty hard line i mean i get a kick out of him and he
00:18:38.060says these things and you can't really call him racist because he's a visible minority himself
00:18:42.940and so people actually listen to him rather than just call him names because that doesn't work
00:18:47.720and he had this idea i think it might have been borrowed from uh some of donald trump's moves
00:18:53.560or some of the tech you know in texas you had so many millions of illegal migrants coming across
00:18:58.260the border and you had all these sanctuary cities as they were called in um you know liberal places
00:19:04.740that were very lovely and so texas would fly or bus these illegal migrants into these left-wing
00:19:11.860places martha's vineyard was it was a vacation getaway that the whole town is full of liberals
00:19:17.420and they stopped the buses. But New York City, Texas sent thousands of migrants that immediately
00:19:23.440filled up all of New York City's homeless shelters, and it caused a crisis. And it actually0.94
00:19:27.780made the city come down from its sanctuary city BS. Zia Yusuf, I think that's where he may have1.00
00:19:34.320found some inspiration. He said, all right, Reform UK, if we win, we're going to take these migrants,1.00
00:19:40.760we're not going to release them into the community. We're going to hold them in detention1.00
00:19:43.740centers and here's the kicker in the districts of people who vote green because you want them0.65
00:19:50.500you got them and how are you gonna how you gonna push back on that because hey i mean it's not a
00:19:56.900punishment right i thought that was such a clever move and it's got a sense of humor to what do you
00:20:02.260think about that yeah i think you're absolutely spot on you know it they they they they have to1.00
00:20:08.720admit that actually having migrants in your backyard is not a good thing you know i thought1.00
00:20:14.420we're supposed to enrich and make make our wonderful diverse areas um but yes uh zia now
00:20:19.760is the uh shadow home secretary for reform uh in that uh he he was formerly chairman and now he
00:20:27.320will basically you know if we do get into government uh he will then be given the job
00:20:31.380uh of um handling migration and he's frankly he's he's he's the best person in reform uh the person
00:20:38.820i trust the most to tackle this he's one of the most radical um out of out of everyone uh who's
00:20:44.940been who's been positioned in the shadow cabinet um right now uh and so yes and so i think there
00:20:50.980is a difference as well there's been some people on the right some people have restore supporters
00:20:54.760who are saying oh you know like this this this amounts to um you know threatening rape on uh the
00:21:02.040native population because they didn't vote for you um i think i think that they're getting confused
00:21:07.120over the fact that we have the asylum hotels now uh obviously where and and hmos where the migrants
00:21:12.920are staying and obviously this does lead to um you know rape sexual assault um murder in some0.62
00:21:19.340cases from the asylum seekers uh the difference is that they're allowed to roam about because0.98
00:21:24.140legally they're not prisoners they're not detainees and this is because of the ECHR you know
00:21:29.160you can't treat people this way uh but when it comes to detainees aka if you're about to be
00:21:34.360deported uh you can actually lock them up and that's why you don't see for example uh all of
00:21:39.800these migrant crimes spring up around deportation centers that already exist um in Britain and so I
00:21:45.840think yes you know this is um uh you know these deportation centers have to go somewhere uh this0.66
00:21:51.240is a punishment uh to green voters not because there is going to be you know migrant crime in
00:21:56.260their areas but because you know uh prisons still have to go somewhere um but you know i don't want
00:22:01.580to live next to a prison it's it's it's an eyesore it's ugly uh and so therefore people who support
00:22:07.100reform uk should not have to uh have them in their backyards but uh if you want uh open borders and
00:22:12.840if you're um uh if you're complicit uh in the system that's allowed all these people to be here
00:22:17.760yes i think you should have to have them in your communities instead rather than mine i i think it's
00:22:23.420it's simpler than that i think it's just a one-liner it sort of reminds i remember a few
00:22:27.900years ago we had a reporter who went out on the streets of toronto and said hey um do you think
00:22:32.320we should take more refugees in the can then everyone said yes and she had a guy just like
00:22:38.400sitting 20 feet away who said oh good my friend muhammad is right here can he stay with you
00:22:44.640and every single person said um um um here let me play a clip of that that was our alumna uh
00:22:51.740she did a great job it was very so i think it was just the one-liner showing that all these
00:22:58.600people are empty virtue signalers here's that sketch that we did wasn't a sketch it was a real
00:23:03.360thing that we did on the streets of toronto here take a look and would you ever be willing to house
00:23:07.160refugee well definitely yes because they need a lot of help and also new country new everything
00:23:17.000weather new different from back home and yeah yeah why not why not we have mo here with us
00:23:23.880today mo is new to canada and he is looking nice to meet you so he actually is looking for a new
00:23:32.120home he's new to canada would you guys be willing to house um unfortunately we have only one bedroom
00:23:39.000because we are living in a condo so we have only one better there's no more space for one person
00:23:45.080but there's a lot of opportunity here around for sure he will find something yeah so i don't even
00:23:51.960think it's as thoughtful as as you're presenting it uh jack i i don't think it's well they have to
00:23:56.520go somewhere i think it's just to provoke the reaction we don't want them in our communities
00:24:00.840Oh, hang on. I thought you did. I think it's literally that one liner. Hey, let me ask you a question. Because the thing about politics on the right is everyone is so individualistic and everyone believes in free speech. And everyone, you know, if you're on the right, you've made the conscious decision that perhaps you're not going to be in the corridors of power because you've chosen principle.
00:24:19.660So there's a kind of personality, I think, that is more individualistic.
00:24:26.080And so it's no surprise that of the half dozen or so MPs that Nigel Farage carried with him in the election a year and a half ago, two years ago almost, there's some fractiousness.
00:24:36.660And one of them named Rupert Lowe, who I think is excellent.
00:24:41.100He had a difference of opinion with Nigel Farage, and Nigel Farage is the total boss.
00:24:46.380So Rupert Lowe was booted out, basically.
00:24:49.660And, um, you know, civil wars are always the most acrimonious, but Rupert Lowe has started
00:24:54.880a new party and he's, he's doing good work on the grooming gang inquiry.
00:25:00.040He raised from funds privately and he had an inquiry with our, our, our former staffer,
00:25:05.540uh, Sammy Woodhouse and, um, and he's active on social media and Elon Musk seems to like
00:25:45.380I think the polls there now have them around three to four percent when prompted.
00:25:50.780And in in an election that we're going to have in twenty twenty nine, there'll be so many constituencies which will be extremely tight margins.
00:25:58.680And taking three to four percent away from reform in that way could lead to absolute disaster.
00:26:06.060Either lead to a coalition with the conservatives where they can continue on into the future as still a party and aren't totally destroyed and replaced by reform.
00:26:15.380Or it leads to this leftist rainbow coalition government, in which case they'll open the borders even more.
00:26:22.360And quite frankly, when you get to like demographic changes, it's entirely possible the right can then no longer win again after 2029.
00:26:30.680So it's such a life and death election here.
00:26:33.780And that's why I've been so vocal against Restore, because like the argument is that Restore are to the right of reform significantly.
00:26:44.160But if you look on their policies, they actually aren't. If you look what Rupert Lowe himself says, he is, you know, a civic nationalist Thatcherite, basically exactly the same as Farage.
00:26:54.540You know, there is there's really, frankly, no no distinction between their actual worldviews.
00:27:00.340I think Rupert Lowe has said previously, you know, we want to bring in people who have skills as migrate, you know, as as migrants.
00:27:07.920he wouldn't deport you know whole communities etc but the the attitude online it seems to be that no
00:27:13.780Rupert is and Restore are some kind of like based ethno-nationalist Zoomers who are going to deport
00:27:19.380billions of people you know from this country and certainly like the younger guys and the staff are
00:27:24.300more that way inclined but if you look at their policies of what they're actually saying that
00:27:29.060they're going to do frankly I think they're taking a lot of their more further right supporters for a
00:27:34.280in that um there actually is no difference between uh reform and restore on what they would actually
00:27:39.620do uh in uh in parliament and especially if they if they're asked uh questions you know when it
00:27:45.380comes to english identity like who is english who is british uh they actually have no coherent answer
00:27:50.220uh on this and it's like if that if that is your entire uh raison d'etre is that you're to the right
00:27:55.580of reform on the identity demographics issue and things like that and and you don't have a line
00:28:00.820that you can bring out and say coherently this is what we believe um then what's the point i think
00:28:05.980i think a lot of it is an ego uh driven situation and restore should and could have been a fantastic
00:28:12.040pressure group uh dragging reform to the right a you know a policy uh organization institute but
00:28:17.280um the right in general in britain uh has an issue where uh instead of making you know a pressure
00:28:23.240group a policy organization um you know a a new party crops up again and then people are divided
00:28:29.400because of this and rather than uh working together so i think it's a crying shame uh that
00:28:34.420the the right in this way has now been divided um when we should all be united um well i think
00:28:40.140reform would do a fantastic uh job uh in uh in in in office you know what i because i'm not british
00:28:48.320i don't have skin in the game but maybe it gives me some distance and i just think listen of course
00:28:52.880Nigel Farage has his flaws of course he's not a perfect man he's a politician um but my god he's
00:28:58.680I think the only alternative that is likely to achieve at least a portion of the goals, the funny thing is you and I have been talking for more than 20 minutes now, and we haven't even uttered the word Conservative Party or Kemi Badenoch, their new leader.
00:29:14.140and she recently um i think had a very moral stand against the anti-semitic crime wave in
00:29:21.020the uk which is actually shocking like almost every day another stabbing um arson attack it's
00:29:27.280it's truly terrifying um let me just show you kemi when she was on the hustings i think just
00:29:33.480yesterday the day before and i thought she gave a very passionate uh impassioned speech about how
00:29:40.040you can't just say it's anti-zionism it really is anti-semitism here's kemi i thought this was
00:29:44.640her finest hour here take a look these are these are not rehearsed questions i did a long interview
00:29:48.220on this yesterday you might disagree with my views that's fine but my views are my views
00:29:52.660what i am no no no these are these are views i want people to know it's very important that
00:29:57.320people know what it is that they're voting for with me and what they will have with me is someone
00:30:01.700who is very very determined to stop this climate of intimidation and hatred towards jews i go to
00:30:08.300Jewish primary schools that have security guards outside.
00:30:11.320I don't see that outside any other primary school in this country.
00:30:14.340I go to supermarkets that have security guards.
00:30:16.660I go to businesses, Jewish businesses,
00:30:18.520that are having their windows smashed in.
00:30:21.220Gail's bakery having graffiti sprayed all over it.
00:30:24.540We need to stop pretending that this isn't happening.
00:30:27.000We do not want the 1930s repeated again.
00:30:29.760And what we see are people making excuses for this.
00:33:20.640This is why, again, I'm so in favor of a big, solidly decent reform majority, because if the Tories survive from 2029, if they survive 2029, they will continue.
00:33:36.120If reform don't wipe them out at this next election, they will carry on in a significant way in right wing politics.
00:33:44.280If there's a reformed Tory coalition, for example, the Tories will likely block everything that in many ways that reform would try and do or moderate it well down and therefore nothing good will ever happen.
00:33:57.180And reform will take the hit in public opinion for this. And the Tories will again reposition themselves as as the party of the right.
00:34:04.700But if they are wiped out, they will be relegated to a very small regional party where I can imagine they still cling on to 10 to 15 seats for the rest of time, but will never come back into government.
00:34:18.020So, yes. So the Conservatives are, you know, and I think, you know, when you recognize that how many MPs are, you know, wet liberals within the Conservative Party have done so much damage to this country.0.50
00:34:29.880and institutionally it's just completely rotten uh you know the staffers are some of the worst0.79
00:34:35.380people to exist uh this is why reform has been blocking uh has been reform has been um has been
00:34:41.360more positive bringing in former conservative mps and former conservative councillors because that
00:34:46.720is some of the people who are good people but the people who have worked in in the institutions
00:34:50.860who whisper who direct who write the policy who whisper in the ears the ministers uh these are
00:34:55.940some of the worst sort of Westminster swamp types around. The reform have been blocking them
00:34:59.820joining their HQ team. So yes, the Conservative Party is not dead. It could be in 2029. And I
00:35:07.400really hope it is. We're talking with Jack Hatfield, one of the UK's leading citizen
00:35:12.160journalists, someone who has a tremendous command of history as well, as you can tell.
00:35:17.480Jack, as you know, I'm friends with Tommy Robinson, and he is treated as a social outcast
00:35:23.340in most circles on the right um i mean nigel farage has been very nervous and i can understand
00:35:29.340it again i don't condemn nigel farage for having some distance between them because they would
00:35:33.660love to call nigel farage far right it's racist etc tommy robinson is not those things but that
00:35:40.280the it's stuck to him because he's being accused of it so much and nigel farage is trying to
00:35:44.840protect his brand i i get it i i'm not mad at him for that um but an amazing thing has happened
00:35:51.900over the last years you know i've been close to tommy for a while and i've seen him at his lowest
00:35:56.260lows but in the last year he's been vindicated in court and on several occasions he had a massive
00:36:02.480rally in the uk uh last september um the lowest estimate i saw was 110 000 um i saw estimates
00:36:11.900over a million even if it was quote just half a million people that's an enormous number who are
00:36:18.260no longer afraid to come out and i think most of them frankly are reform uk supporters tommy is
00:36:22.700having another big rally on may 16th i'll be coming over to see what that's like um importantly
00:36:28.820he's had the friendship of elon musk who has boosted him on twitter and spoke at the last
00:36:34.040rally my point is i think tommy hasn't changed but the uk has the facts have gotten worse a lot
00:36:42.640of tommy's predictions have been borne out and when you have someone as powerful wealthy and
00:36:47.800persuasive as elon musk breaking the social taboo of hanging out with tommy i think it moves the
00:36:54.800needle a bit uh what's your take on tommy robinson as a political activist uh is he still treated as
00:37:03.280poison by the establishment or are people saying look he he his prophecies have come true and the
00:37:11.120guy can get hundreds of thousands i mean i don't know if any politician other than maybe maybe
00:37:15.580Nigel Farage himself could get more than 100,000 people at a rally. Over to you, Jack. What do you
00:37:20.440think? Yeah, I think you're right. If you do the shift, for example, for example, like 10 years
00:37:26.500ago, I was so in Britain, I would have been on the far extreme right. Tommy Robinson would have
00:37:31.000been. You probably would have been too if you were here. But now the opening window has shifted so
00:37:36.400much. There is now a much greater space to the right of the positions that we hold. And so Tommy
00:37:42.360is no longer uh you know the most evil nazi bigot racist you know as i'm afraid whatever you want to0.92
00:37:48.540call him uh to the media just because everything has shifted so much and now you know if you look0.86
00:37:53.840at what tommy was saying about radical islam and and other things etc i mean more people even go
00:37:59.780further talking about you know wider demographic stuff and this has now been brought into example
00:38:04.500you know tommy obviously never had this sort of ethno-nationalist even speaker discussion but now
00:38:08.500You have Suela Braverman of Reform MP, obviously Matt Goodwin, he obviously tried to be a Reform MP, talking about English being an ethnicity and you have to have that heritage and ancestry and so on.
00:38:18.300And so that's something that Tommy would never even said about, you know, because obviously he's focused on on on the Islam and the mass and the mass migration issue there.
00:38:28.080I think, again, relating to reform, I remember at a reform conference last year, Zia Youssef was asked by, who we obviously mentioned earlier, was asked by Michael Gove, the Spectator, about Tommy Robinson.
00:38:40.600And what Zia said to him, said about him was, you know, you have to give him props for being the first person to really talk about the Islamization of Britain, you know, getting the attention on the grooming gangs and so forth.
00:38:53.120uh but uh but zia said no we would not let him into uh reform uk i think tommy has definitely
00:38:59.700shredded a lot of the a lot of the biggest toxicity let's say if you are asking people
00:39:04.940uh you know 10 years ago versus now you know saying that you're uh saying that you liked
00:39:09.740tommy robinson or admired him i think 10 years ago you would have got a lot of um majority
00:39:14.840negative responses from uh sort of the general public but now i would say that's probably not
00:39:19.620the case um now he doesn't he still has enough toxicity in that i think in reform wouldn't want
00:39:26.060to bring him in or publicly ally with him uh but the toxicity has moved down enough in that he
00:39:32.720is now sort of part of the overall sort of rightist coalition and that he now has a public
00:39:38.400part to play as you say can can bring you know like i i think from what i saw there probably
00:39:42.940somewhere between 300 to 500 000 people you know uh on the streets of london and that and there is
00:39:47.700no uh there's nothing to be sniffed at at all um so yeah you know it's it's yeah it's been very
00:39:53.020interesting to see everything play out in terms of the general sort of radicalization and over
00:39:57.060the window shift uh that we've seen in britain uh you know where now you know i can go on gb news
00:40:02.540whereas 10 years ago this is this is not somewhere i would have been yeah i would have been not
00:40:06.800touched with a barge pole um so yeah it's definitely but overall it's clearly as you can
00:40:10.560tell a big positive shift uh in terms of who is accepted and now and who and who isn't yeah i
00:40:18.400think that tommy is the most defamed man in the uk and a lot of that sticks let me play you a very
00:40:23.760quick clip i mentioned rupert lowe um a moment ago he was recently interviewed by jacob reese mogg
00:40:30.420who's a tory sort of a fancy pants a little bit on the posh side and he also has a gig at gb news
00:40:35.720It's interesting to me in the UK how sitting politicians also are part of the media.
00:41:53.840And the rape gang issue has been going on for probably 50 years, but accelerating really after the Blairite sort of era and particularly into the early 2000s.
00:42:06.220So and he was talking about it in 2000 to one, two, three.
00:42:10.800And he's been right. He's absolutely right about that issue.
00:42:14.440And I believe if somebody is right about something, you have to give them credit for it.
00:42:19.140But the establishment fears Tommy Robinson for some reason.
00:42:43.660I haven't. I haven't and you haven't, but some haven't.
00:42:45.820But so, look, I don't judge him for that,
00:42:48.680But I he has been right on this issue. So that was just like a week ago. But look at Reese Mogg yesterday saying that he was proud or impressed, rather, that the Oxford Union, which is the debating club at Oxford University, very famous debating club, has invited Tommy Robinson to debate.
00:43:08.320Now, Tommy has spoken there before, but it is interesting. It's a sign, as you say, Jack, of the moving Overton window that Tommy Robinson is part of the debate. Again, he's not beyond the pale. And what I got a kick out of is that Reese Mogg is cheering on the Oxford Union, whereas just a week ago he was repeating the message track to Tommy Robinson. I don't even know what far right means anymore, frankly.
00:43:32.180um i want to add so i mean that maybe the peer pressure is reversing uh i mean i think peer
00:43:40.100pressure is about looking around and seeing what your social group your peer group does
00:43:44.760and and elon musk is really at the top of the pyramid for setting trends so i don't know i
00:43:50.860think i think the people who had the stranglehold on what is polite society and polite company or
00:43:55.880not are changed let me throw one last thing at you i'd love you love your feedback on this
00:43:59.980i'm a fan of tommy's it's clear but i acknowledge that he has had criminal convictions and served
00:44:05.740time not just for political offenses but for other things and so uh including a passport issue
00:44:12.900but he was recently granted a special visa to travel to the united states of america and that
00:44:20.020would have been approved at a very high level perhaps even by the secretary of state himself
00:44:24.180and the sensitivities to granting a visa to tommy robinson and and he went to america and he spoke
00:44:31.100in congress and he met with people of very high backgrounds who hadn't been poisoned against tommy
00:44:37.120who didn't have 10 years of defamation that they had to push aside to see him they just met him on
00:44:42.620like imagine meeting tommy and hearing about him for really the first time he would make a very
00:44:47.280different impression than if he had to meet you after you had heard a hundred negative things
00:44:51.360Anyhow, my point is, what do you think it says that the U.S. State Department approved a visa and various U.S. congressmen met with Tommy, the man that Keir Starmer and the British legal political establishment have demonized to no end?
00:45:14.260Well, I mean, for me, it says that, you know, we finally have, you know, an administration in America that is actually friendly to people who care about mass migration, free speech, all of these issues that we've been fighting about for years.
00:45:30.600finally you know uh big big uncle sam is actually on on the right side for once uh you know an
00:45:37.160example of this i saw um sarah rogers who's fantastic is the under secretary of state for
00:45:42.160public diplomacy in the state department uh the guardian did a hit piece on her where uh she uh
00:45:48.480had because she retweeted a video of me uh once and they had tried to attack her her via attacking
00:45:54.840me you know drinking dredging up old stories uh you know leftist smears about me um you know and
00:46:01.020uh and uh and sarah said i don't know what you're talking about like this is like why is why is this
00:46:06.160an issue and i don't look into you know the history of everyone uh of everyone who's uh who's um who
00:46:11.920i've retweeted um you know you can imagine you know years ago this would not have been you know
00:46:16.420like the the republicans generally the gop or the more moderate side they always get very skittish
00:46:21.260about this um but you know i you can tell that there is a a powerful movement um you know thanks
00:46:26.840to trump and thanks to the you know more like america first agenda uh pushing people there
00:46:32.160who say no i don't care about you know i don't care about the media i don't care about the
00:46:36.920establishment who says you know we have to kowtow to um you know x y and z because somebody has been
00:46:42.460declared far right or racist or whatever at any point in their career no you know these these
00:46:47.800people fight on the side of freedom and we're going to back them uh and that really is fantastic
00:46:52.660to see uh from across the ponds now will it hold until post 2028 that's the entire different
00:46:58.300question uh but certainly for now it does feel very good to to you know to know that there are
00:47:04.720people in the you know most important country in the world in terms of power uh that actually
00:47:09.900you know do uh do have our back from time and i think it's a bit of a rebuke to keir starmer and
00:47:14.540his his leadership as well i mean um that would not have been well received by the british prime
00:47:21.180minister i think and uh i mean keir starmer and donald trump are not really getting along well
00:47:25.720king charles's visit uh did did fairly well and he managed to keep the global warming stuff
00:47:31.780under wraps more or less um let me ask you one last question being very generous with your time
00:47:36.560jack uh i mean you know the uk intimately it's it's your life it's your home it's your background
00:47:42.940it's your history and you study its politics for fun and profit and um if you had to look ahead
00:47:49.940for the next six to 12 months what what are the events or the the um the decision moments that
00:47:57.300you think might be newsy in in canada my answer would be the alberta separatist referendum might
00:48:02.480be important what's the equivalent in the uk what is there i mean you mentioned the general elections
00:48:08.600probably won't be for another three years what should people be looking towards as a decisive
00:48:12.920moment i mean almost certainly will uh obviously we have we have the local elections coming up and
00:48:19.580that's almost immediate you know that that is that is this week um and i think that there is a
00:48:24.660possibility uh that uh if labor are absolutely hammered as we expect them to be that keir starmer
00:48:29.900is finally weakened and goes but i wouldn't say that this is immediate so i could say within the
00:48:34.640next one to two months or so we could have a change in prime minister uh you know it could
00:48:41.420be that he's finally taken off uh his uh his high horse over uh over there um other than that uh
00:48:48.540what i also expect to see is once again a rise in uh the uh asylum seeker rape cases back up again
00:48:57.080because the weather is now improving you know there's a dirt of this over the winter uh simply
00:49:01.780because these people did not go out on the streets and assault their victims but i've heard
00:49:05.460that there are there's with obviously with the more uh boat crossing increases going to be more
00:49:09.500people out and because of the weather there'll be more likely to be outside and attack so i do
00:49:14.080expect that we will once again see for the third year in a row a big summer of protests and that
00:49:19.140will have obviously reset the agenda again talking about illegal migration talking about the boats
00:49:24.100talking about all of this which it throws back to uh which obviously reforms bread and butter
00:49:29.020on that issue. So, yes, certainly a big, big threat to Keir Starmer's leadership imminently.
00:49:35.600Will he survive? Will he not? Well, I hope he survives because, frankly, he's weaker and people
00:49:39.920like him less than almost every other possible Labour leadership candidate. So he's a good
00:49:45.940person to be fighting against. And yes. And then, too, I expect to have another summer of protests
00:49:50.920as well, which will obviously massively change the news agenda. Jack, it's great to catch up
00:49:56.180with you. Thanks for spending so much time with us. What's the best way for people to follow you
00:49:59.960on social media? Yeah, I'm most active on X, so I'm at there, at Jack Hatters. Most other social
00:50:07.340medias are either that handle or a similar one, but you can all find them by going to
00:50:13.300jackhadfield.co.uk, which has all of my links, and you can find me everywhere there. But yeah,
00:50:18.980primarily on X, at Jack Hatters. Well, that's the best place to be. It's the freest place to be,
00:50:24.400and that's certainly my go-to social media platform.