Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Muslims reach critical mass in UK politics … is Canada next？

00:00:00.000 Oh, hi everybody. You know I like the UK. It's for historical reasons, but it's also for future

00:00:05.100 reasons. I feel that's our destiny if we don't change our course. We're going to have a heavy

00:00:09.540 duty talk with our friend Jack Hadfield today. He follows things very closely. One of the things he

00:00:14.640 follows is the rise of Islamic politics. First it was within the Labour Party, now it's in the Green

00:00:19.900 Party, but it's such a critical mass that there are Muslim parties and Muslim candidates on their

00:00:25.100 own winning on a Gaza ticket, winning in city councils and local MP writings. Very interesting

00:00:31.640 stuff. We'll go through it with Jack. But first, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel

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00:01:21.100 tonight in the united kingdom muslims have a critical mass and they're forming their own

00:01:32.740 political movements is that canada's future too a feature conversation with our friend

00:01:37.520 jack hadfield it's may 7th and this is the ezra levant show

00:01:41.280 shame on you you sensorism bug

00:01:51.100 Well, I always say I follow the United Kingdom not only because it is the mother country for

00:02:01.400 Canada and all of our institutions were modeled on British institutions from our parliament to

00:02:07.140 our common law, to our belief in freedom of speech, by the way, but also because just as

00:02:12.760 we follow in the footsteps of the United Kingdom historically, I regret to say we're following in 0.99

00:02:17.480 their footsteps as they hurtle towards ruin, especially through mass immigration. And they 1.00

00:02:23.180 are several years further down the road than we are. One of the interesting things is that they

00:02:28.540 have such a large Islamic population now that in many districts, the Muslim activists no longer

00:02:36.860 seek to piggyback or stow away, let's say, in the Labour Party, but rather run in their own name

00:02:43.320 And in districts where the Muslim vote is 30, 40, 50 percent, there's no need to borrow the jacket of the Labour Party or even the Green Party. 0.67

00:02:53.140 And there are half a dozen MPs who ran on a Give Gaza Your Voice ticket.

00:02:58.520 Very interesting stuff. 0.92

00:02:59.860 So many things going on, including, I think, the best organized rebuttal to that hurtling ideology.

00:03:07.460 Um, Nigel Farage, now the leader of something called Reform UK, the founder of the UKIP

00:03:13.340 party that successfully, um, her, uh, herded the Brexit vote through a referendum.

00:03:20.380 He has been leading the polls for more than a year, actually.

00:03:24.100 And the insurgents have not been the labor or traditional conservative party, but rather 0.75

00:03:28.400 a radical green party on the left, co led by a Jew and an Islamic extremist. 0.75

00:03:35.320 It's quite a bizarre thing.

00:03:36.380 Anyhow, you don't need to hear it from me. Let's talk to a man who follows British politics more closely than most. His name is Jack Hadfield. I have the pleasure of watching his citizen journalism either online or in person. Jack Hadfield, great to see you. Thanks for joining us.

00:03:50.320 Yeah, thanks so much for having me on again.

00:03:52.320 It's our pleasure.

00:03:53.400 I don't think I did a good job of summing up things in the UK because it's frothing.

00:03:57.400 There's so much going on at once.

00:03:59.500 All of the trends that you have been covering and that we have covered for years are really hitting a critical mass, I think.

00:04:08.180 Let's start with not just immigration, but the illegal migrants who tend to come across in little small boats.

00:04:15.300 I understand that recently it hit the 200,000 mark. 0.89

00:04:19.120 Is that accurate, that people just get on boats, cross over the English Channel, and they're set for life?

00:04:25.440 Yeah, I mean, that is the current system with what we have now.

00:04:31.880 Certainly, the Labour government is trying to crack down on illegal migration because they recognize that, obviously, this is one reason why people have turned against them.

00:04:42.280 And obviously the conservatives is that, you know, this this this migration wave, you know, really took off in under Tony Blair's leadership in 1997.

00:04:51.680 And then obviously, you know, we've seen with the Boris wave as well under the conservatives.

00:04:56.000 But so so they're trying to tackle illegal migration.

00:04:59.020 So Shabana Mahmood, who's the Home Secretary now, is trying to have to do a number of schemes on this, but none of them are working.

00:05:06.140 For example, she tried to do a one in one out swap policy with the boat migrants with France.

00:05:12.280 uh taking people in who had links to britain etc um but that didn't even work and it's cost so much

00:05:18.360 money um people have been coming in and back over anyway as soon as they've been come back to france

00:05:22.840 so i just hop on another boat um and i think overall when it when it was when it was paused

00:05:27.800 recently uh britain ended up taking in like net three migrants so we were up three people on this

00:05:33.800 scheme that we pay hundreds of millions of pounds the french for um so so the labor is trying to

00:05:38.920 to tackle this at the very least, but it's clearly not working at all. You know, you're much closer

00:05:44.900 to it than me, but I am skeptical that the Labour government actually wants to tackle it. I think

00:05:49.840 they want to certainly tackle the perception that they're weak on migration, but I don't think they

00:05:54.040 want to tackle it because it is basically replacing traditional British voters who tend to be more

00:06:00.460 conservative with radical voters. It's basically the Zoran Mamdani method. How do you get a

00:06:07.540 uh islam oriented communist in power in new york city a jewish capitalist city well you bring in

00:06:15.960 millions of people from abroad who lack a connection or a history there so i don't actually

00:06:21.300 believe that the labor government wants to do anything about it and and you mentioned legal

00:06:25.760 versus illegal migration there's an enormous number of illegal migrants frankly i think those

00:06:31.460 are the easier ones to deal with or they could be just kick it out but i think both the labor

00:06:37.000 government that and the you mentioned the boris wave that's those are the migrants that came under

00:06:41.900 the 14 years previous to the labor win there's just a bigger problem with quote legal migration

00:06:50.360 isn't there i mean uh legal illegal it still results in people in the uk who probably shouldn't

00:06:57.200 be there yeah i completely agree but i would disagree with you on labor not wanting to tackle 1.00

00:07:03.700 it because i think it's true overall yes labor did think you know by bringing in these migrants

00:07:09.040 you know that they're all going to vote for us but as you mentioned at the top of the show they're

00:07:13.140 not voting for labor anymore they're moving over to the greens or a majority i think a polarity at

00:07:18.720 least uh i think five pillars which is the uh which is a muslim news site here in uk polled

00:07:24.960 their readership uh in terms of who they were voting for in the local elections uh the biggest

00:07:29.520 number i think around 46 percent were voting for independent muslim candidates uh down next were

00:07:35.480 that they weren't going to vote at all and next just after that uh still with a good chunk would

00:07:40.100 be voting for the greens labor was much much further down on this so so one they have the

00:07:45.200 electoral incentive now uh to actually you know work work against the coalition that they built

00:07:51.380 because they've now been abandoned and then second i think in a personal reason for shibana

00:07:56.440 Mahmood for example who is of Pakistani heritage herself as someone that's more to the right of the

00:08:02.900 Labour Party I think she sees the issue with the the complete rapid mass migration in that someone

00:08:09.340 who's come from a community that's been here for quite a few decades in sort of early multiculturalism

00:08:14.780 you know when when you have you know said 95 you know 90 to 95 percent of the population being

00:08:20.100 white British and five to ten percent some other ethnic group you know it's it's kind of fine but

00:08:24.120 When demographic replacement gets on people's minds, there's going to be more of a turn against this. So I think Siobhan Mahmood and some other people like that in the Labour Party realise perhaps for their own self-preservation to enable themselves to continue to exist and be an accepted part of the British society and community, she thinks we should then get a handle on legal migration because otherwise her community will become under more attacks and more scrutiny from the native population.

00:08:52.360 You know, I saw just this morning an interview on radio with Zach Polanski. He's the nominal leader of the Green Party. He's nominally Jewish. I think he's about as Jewish as a ham sandwich. But, you know, he can say that he's descended from Jews and he's extremely anti-Israel to the point of, I think, being anti-Semitic.

00:09:11.680 Just the other day, there were some terrorists that attacked some Jews on the street and police subdued them. And he criticized the police for subduing him. It was quite something. And he was on the radio because there's some local elections. So I'm not talking about for members of parliament, but this is for like local town councils.

00:09:28.880 and he was asked is give gaza your vote or lend your vote to gaza really the right message for

00:09:39.960 the green party in the city council election but look at his answer to that here i'll play the

00:09:44.500 clip do you believe that palestine is to coin a phrase on the ballot this thursday uh i think

00:09:50.240 lots of people lots of things are on the ballot this thursday but it is palestine on the ballot

00:09:53.740 i think it's one of the elements as is the climate crisis as is what does it mean palestine is on

00:09:57.720 the ballot? Because the reason I ask you is because your candidate for mayor of Lewisham

00:10:01.520 says Palestine is on the ballot this Thursday. Haringey Green Party campaign launch video,

00:10:07.780 you might think it'd be about bins. You might think it'd be about schools, hospitals. It might

00:10:12.680 be about cleaning up the roads. It is a series of councillors saying as a councillor, I will take

00:10:17.640 all appropriate steps to uphold the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. Do you think

00:10:23.600 council elections really should be about Palestine I think they can be about all of those things and

00:10:29.420 I think what people have seen in this country is a genocide for two and a half years that our

00:10:33.760 government are still arming are still sharing intelligence with and I think lots of people

00:10:37.840 feel very strongly both about their local services as they should do and feel equally strongly about

00:10:42.920 the fact that there's a reprehensible genocide happening and they vote the way they vote in

00:10:48.940 local elections should be determined by their views of Israel and Palestine. I wouldn't tell

00:10:54.140 anyone how their vote should be determined but I think it's an element for lots of people in how

00:10:57.460 they vote. And you think that will contribute to community cohesion do you? I think yes. How?

00:11:01.520 Because I think we shouldn't pit Jewish safety against a genocide in Gaza that's conflating

00:11:06.320 anti-Semitism and criticism of the Israeli government. That's something Benjamin Netanyahu

00:11:10.460 does regularly and as a Jewish person that makes me feel less safe. Sure but there are lots of

00:11:15.060 Jewish people who would say to you they feel unsafe if they feel that their councillors

00:11:20.260 are motivated first and foremost by Palestine. And if somebody gives that speech, for example,

00:11:27.200 about Palestine being on the ballot, they are likely to think that. We looked, for example,

00:11:33.900 at Barnet Greens, where one in seven residents identify as Jewish. And it includes in its

00:11:41.020 manifesto, the fact that you're standing up for Palestine. Do you think that's going to help?

00:11:46.740 Well, I walk regularly on Palestinian marches with hundreds and hundreds, in fact,

00:11:50.740 thousands of people, many of whom are Jewish. And there have been rabbis who have spoken out

00:11:54.700 on this too. I accept though, there are Jewish people whose views are equally as valid,

00:11:59.340 who don't agree with those views. And I think the job of all of us who are in public life right now

00:12:04.700 is to deescalate tensions. So, I mean, here you have, he sort of looks Jewish. His name is Zach 1.00

00:12:10.880 polanski he actually made his name more ethnically sounding he changed his name back to a more

00:12:17.480 jewish sounding name because he wanted to get that aura but he's teamed up with a guy named

00:12:23.820 mothan ali who dresses in full pakistani garb his wife is in the full ninja outfit like not

00:12:31.260 like not even just a little hijab the full face obscuring you know i don't know how this party 0.99

00:12:37.340 can stay together how can you have a party led by an atheist jew who goes to gay nightclubs 0.97

00:12:44.660 and also led by a pakistani extremist whose wife is not allowed to show her face in public how is 0.97

00:12:53.580 this that's called the green party how is that a stable molecule it sounds like it's about to break

00:12:58.960 apart no yeah exactly i mean uh it won't um about it sorry it will um but for now as long as they're

00:13:07.260 sort of united uh against israel in general which is a lot of people on the left and certainly

00:13:11.740 that's that's what unites all a lot of these people uh in the green party now you know uh

00:13:18.240 the sort of anti-zionist uh communist leftist uh types you know who have that uh foreign policy

00:13:24.960 position along with obviously all the um muslims in the party as well that's probably i'd probably

00:13:30.800 say that's the one issue that they're all that is kind of the glue currently now um on this on this

00:13:37.000 leftist rainbow coalition but like as you said you know there is obviously a big difference between

00:13:41.920 you know radical uh islamist muslims uh and yeah lgbt you know trans supporting lot because yeah

00:13:50.080 there's obviously a lot of muslims who don't want you know trans nonsense in schools and you've seen 0.82

00:13:53.760 this, like in Britain on that debate. So, you know, it's not, it's quite a very fractious 1.00

00:13:59.460 coalition overall. You know, I just want to play for you a quick clip because a few weeks ago,

00:14:05.280 there was a by-election. In fact, GB News' Matt Goodwin ran as the Reform UK candidate. He did a

00:14:10.860 good job, but the demographics were just overwhelming. He had no chance. He would have

00:14:15.180 had a chance 40 years ago. He would have won in a slam dunk, but the UK of today is very different.

00:14:19.620 it's a different country um let me show you the successful candidate who's sort of a party girl 0.98

00:14:24.980 she she dresses a little bit like the old american pop star cindy lopper like a little bit radical 1.00

00:14:30.760 and a little bit dissident and she's just all about dancing and love and having a good time

00:14:37.320 and let me just show you a clip she and zach polanski had a dance party in trafalgar square

00:14:42.880 i want to show that to you and i want to contrast that with like you say the central mobilizing

00:14:48.320 issue for the party, is Gaza. Here, take a look at this dance party.

00:14:52.200 Get down this world!

00:14:58.140 He's ready to make home stable again!

00:15:04.640 Who is here for love, unity, solidarity!

00:15:12.200 Now that looks like a lot of fun. It was very gay. There were gay male dancers there, and 1.00

00:15:17.780 very sexual, very libertine. And the winner of the election was a party girl. I think that the 0.98

00:15:26.000 Islamists who would find that all very haram, I mean, Mothan Ali was not there. I think they're 0.99

00:15:31.580 absolutely fine with that because that's the Trojan horse. Oh, look, it's just a very pretty

00:15:37.400 dancey pop music girl who looks like Ellie Goulding. Lots of fun. Hey, join the Green Party.

00:15:44.000 We're cool. We're fun. We have dance parties. And yeah, you're going to get a few percent of people who are sort of like Greta Thunberg and will do that. But really, it's the Trojan horse to smuggle in an enormous Muslim vote. And not just Muslim, Islamist. I think it's actually a trick more than a coalition.

00:16:03.460 yeah i mean that's that's definitely true i mean there are definitely people certainly on the

00:16:09.100 muslim side of the green party that will have this entire attitude to that um but there's

00:16:14.520 definitely a lot of people in the greens who are uh naive as well not necessarily people right at

00:16:19.220 the top uh but certainly a lot of green members councillors voters uh will be you know you know

00:16:24.900 will think that there is this this rainbow coalition they are true believers uh in this

00:16:29.520 policy and and just in terms of the whole uh economic left shift that uh that that uh that

00:16:36.040 they promote as well you know massive wealth taxes everything is you know completely anti-business

00:16:40.660 you know open the borders you know lgbt everywhere um although one one one interesting um kind of 0.92

00:16:47.900 point i want to raise is that actually like the green party aren't the actual real fun party

00:16:53.000 because i i think i think it's true that they are sort of performatively fun and they have sort of

00:16:59.260 this veneer but overall they're very they're controlling you know um sort of primary teacher

00:17:06.200 tier behavior on this treating us like little kids because hannah spencer uh as you mentioned

00:17:10.860 you know she was complaining about uh mps uh having a pint in parliament um yeah obviously

00:17:16.640 and these sessions uh last until like 10 11 p.m some days and it's not like they're uh you know

00:17:22.200 driving forklifts uh you know but uh i think you know that there's there's times where you would

00:17:27.620 you would go at 6 p.m. after the main work in between votes, have a couple of pints socializing

00:17:33.360 and networking and plotting politics with your MPs there. And he said, no, no, no, you can't do that.

00:17:38.120 You can't have fun at all. Reform UK is a very much more libertarian, freewheeling,

00:17:43.220 actually fun party. The Greens just like to pretend they are. But really, they're just as

00:17:48.640 controlling and nanny state as the rest of them. You know, you mentioned before the Labour Party

00:17:54.020 that used to be the party of the working class.

00:17:56.900 And I think the Greens would like to pretend

00:17:59.860 that they speak for the working class,

00:18:01.400 but again, they're just sort of rich kids,

00:18:03.000 like Zoran Mamdani.

00:18:04.700 He's sort of performing a theatrical presentation

00:18:08.240 of what he thinks a working class person, 1.00

00:18:10.380 he couldn't be further, 0.70

00:18:11.960 and I think it's the same in the UK.

00:18:14.520 I think the working class voters are with Nigel Farage,

00:18:17.720 because he's real, he wants to hold the line

00:18:20.600 against mass immigration legal and illegal i think i mean his position has evolved let me show you

00:18:27.080 he's he's got a colleague i think he's the chairman of reform uk who's a pakistani british

00:18:32.000 man if i'm not mistaken zia yusuf who's pretty hard line i mean i get a kick out of him and he

00:18:38.060 says these things and you can't really call him racist because he's a visible minority himself

00:18:42.940 and so people actually listen to him rather than just call him names because that doesn't work

00:18:47.720 and he had this idea i think it might have been borrowed from uh some of donald trump's moves

00:18:53.560 or some of the tech you know in texas you had so many millions of illegal migrants coming across

00:18:58.260 the border and you had all these sanctuary cities as they were called in um you know liberal places

00:19:04.740 that were very lovely and so texas would fly or bus these illegal migrants into these left-wing

00:19:11.860 places martha's vineyard was it was a vacation getaway that the whole town is full of liberals

00:19:17.420 and they stopped the buses. But New York City, Texas sent thousands of migrants that immediately

00:19:23.440 filled up all of New York City's homeless shelters, and it caused a crisis. And it actually 0.94

00:19:27.780 made the city come down from its sanctuary city BS. Zia Yusuf, I think that's where he may have 1.00

00:19:34.320 found some inspiration. He said, all right, Reform UK, if we win, we're going to take these migrants, 1.00

00:19:40.760 we're not going to release them into the community. We're going to hold them in detention 1.00

00:19:43.740 centers and here's the kicker in the districts of people who vote green because you want them 0.65

00:19:50.500 you got them and how are you gonna how you gonna push back on that because hey i mean it's not a

00:19:56.900 punishment right i thought that was such a clever move and it's got a sense of humor to what do you

00:20:02.260 think about that yeah i think you're absolutely spot on you know it they they they they have to 1.00

00:20:08.720 admit that actually having migrants in your backyard is not a good thing you know i thought 1.00

00:20:14.420 we're supposed to enrich and make make our wonderful diverse areas um but yes uh zia now

00:20:19.760 is the uh shadow home secretary for reform uh in that uh he he was formerly chairman and now he

00:20:27.320 will basically you know if we do get into government uh he will then be given the job

00:20:31.380 uh of um handling migration and he's frankly he's he's he's the best person in reform uh the person

00:20:38.820 i trust the most to tackle this he's one of the most radical um out of out of everyone uh who's

00:20:44.940 been who's been positioned in the shadow cabinet um right now uh and so yes and so i think there

00:20:50.980 is a difference as well there's been some people on the right some people have restore supporters

00:20:54.760 who are saying oh you know like this this this amounts to um you know threatening rape on uh the

00:21:02.040 native population because they didn't vote for you um i think i think that they're getting confused

00:21:07.120 over the fact that we have the asylum hotels now uh obviously where and and hmos where the migrants

00:21:12.920 are staying and obviously this does lead to um you know rape sexual assault um murder in some 0.62

00:21:19.340 cases from the asylum seekers uh the difference is that they're allowed to roam about because 0.98

00:21:24.140 legally they're not prisoners they're not detainees and this is because of the ECHR you know

00:21:29.160 you can't treat people this way uh but when it comes to detainees aka if you're about to be

00:21:34.360 deported uh you can actually lock them up and that's why you don't see for example uh all of

00:21:39.800 these migrant crimes spring up around deportation centers that already exist um in Britain and so I

00:21:45.840 think yes you know this is um uh you know these deportation centers have to go somewhere uh this 0.66

00:21:51.240 is a punishment uh to green voters not because there is going to be you know migrant crime in

00:21:56.260 their areas but because you know uh prisons still have to go somewhere um but you know i don't want

00:22:01.580 to live next to a prison it's it's it's an eyesore it's ugly uh and so therefore people who support

00:22:07.100 reform uk should not have to uh have them in their backyards but uh if you want uh open borders and

00:22:12.840 if you're um uh if you're complicit uh in the system that's allowed all these people to be here

00:22:17.760 yes i think you should have to have them in your communities instead rather than mine i i think it's

00:22:23.420 it's simpler than that i think it's just a one-liner it sort of reminds i remember a few

00:22:27.900 years ago we had a reporter who went out on the streets of toronto and said hey um do you think

00:22:32.320 we should take more refugees in the can then everyone said yes and she had a guy just like

00:22:38.400 sitting 20 feet away who said oh good my friend muhammad is right here can he stay with you

00:22:44.640 and every single person said um um um here let me play a clip of that that was our alumna uh

00:22:51.740 she did a great job it was very so i think it was just the one-liner showing that all these

00:22:58.600 people are empty virtue signalers here's that sketch that we did wasn't a sketch it was a real

00:23:03.360 thing that we did on the streets of toronto here take a look and would you ever be willing to house

00:23:07.160 refugee well definitely yes because they need a lot of help and also new country new everything

00:23:17.000 weather new different from back home and yeah yeah why not why not we have mo here with us

00:23:23.880 today mo is new to canada and he is looking nice to meet you so he actually is looking for a new

00:23:32.120 home he's new to canada would you guys be willing to house um unfortunately we have only one bedroom

00:23:39.000 because we are living in a condo so we have only one better there's no more space for one person

00:23:45.080 but there's a lot of opportunity here around for sure he will find something yeah so i don't even

00:23:51.960 think it's as thoughtful as as you're presenting it uh jack i i don't think it's well they have to

00:23:56.520 go somewhere i think it's just to provoke the reaction we don't want them in our communities

00:24:00.840 Oh, hang on. I thought you did. I think it's literally that one liner. Hey, let me ask you a question. Because the thing about politics on the right is everyone is so individualistic and everyone believes in free speech. And everyone, you know, if you're on the right, you've made the conscious decision that perhaps you're not going to be in the corridors of power because you've chosen principle.

00:24:19.660 So there's a kind of personality, I think, that is more individualistic.

00:24:26.080 And so it's no surprise that of the half dozen or so MPs that Nigel Farage carried with him in the election a year and a half ago, two years ago almost, there's some fractiousness.

00:24:36.660 And one of them named Rupert Lowe, who I think is excellent.

00:24:41.100 He had a difference of opinion with Nigel Farage, and Nigel Farage is the total boss.

00:24:46.380 So Rupert Lowe was booted out, basically.

00:24:49.660 And, um, you know, civil wars are always the most acrimonious, but Rupert Lowe has started

00:24:54.880 a new party and he's, he's doing good work on the grooming gang inquiry.

00:25:00.040 He raised from funds privately and he had an inquiry with our, our, our former staffer,

00:25:05.540 uh, Sammy Woodhouse and, um, and he's active on social media and Elon Musk seems to like

00:25:11.100 him.

00:25:11.400 So you've got this guy named Rupert Lowe.

00:25:13.060 He's sort of a one man, one man army, but he's disproportionate to one guy.

00:25:18.560 He gets quite a lot of publicity.

00:25:21.800 And I saw a recent poll that showed that his, I think it's called Restore UK, if I'm not mistaken, was doing fairly well in the polls. 0.63

00:25:30.200 I'm a little worried that this splittism will deny, you know, Reform UK or any other parties on the right to vote.

00:25:41.060 What do you think of Rupert Lowe?

00:25:43.700 Yeah, I completely agree.

00:25:45.380 I think the polls there now have them around three to four percent when prompted.

00:25:50.780 And in in an election that we're going to have in twenty twenty nine, there'll be so many constituencies which will be extremely tight margins.

00:25:58.680 And taking three to four percent away from reform in that way could lead to absolute disaster.

00:26:06.060 Either lead to a coalition with the conservatives where they can continue on into the future as still a party and aren't totally destroyed and replaced by reform.

00:26:15.380 Or it leads to this leftist rainbow coalition government, in which case they'll open the borders even more.

00:26:22.360 And quite frankly, when you get to like demographic changes, it's entirely possible the right can then no longer win again after 2029.

00:26:30.680 So it's such a life and death election here.

00:26:33.780 And that's why I've been so vocal against Restore, because like the argument is that Restore are to the right of reform significantly.

00:26:44.160 But if you look on their policies, they actually aren't. If you look what Rupert Lowe himself says, he is, you know, a civic nationalist Thatcherite, basically exactly the same as Farage.

00:26:54.540 You know, there is there's really, frankly, no no distinction between their actual worldviews.

00:27:00.340 I think Rupert Lowe has said previously, you know, we want to bring in people who have skills as migrate, you know, as as migrants.

00:27:07.920 he wouldn't deport you know whole communities etc but the the attitude online it seems to be that no

00:27:13.780 Rupert is and Restore are some kind of like based ethno-nationalist Zoomers who are going to deport

00:27:19.380 billions of people you know from this country and certainly like the younger guys and the staff are

00:27:24.300 more that way inclined but if you look at their policies of what they're actually saying that

00:27:29.060 they're going to do frankly I think they're taking a lot of their more further right supporters for a

00:27:34.280 in that um there actually is no difference between uh reform and restore on what they would actually

00:27:39.620 do uh in uh in parliament and especially if they if they're asked uh questions you know when it

00:27:45.380 comes to english identity like who is english who is british uh they actually have no coherent answer

00:27:50.220 uh on this and it's like if that if that is your entire uh raison d'etre is that you're to the right

00:27:55.580 of reform on the identity demographics issue and things like that and and you don't have a line

00:28:00.820 that you can bring out and say coherently this is what we believe um then what's the point i think

00:28:05.980 i think a lot of it is an ego uh driven situation and restore should and could have been a fantastic

00:28:12.040 pressure group uh dragging reform to the right a you know a policy uh organization institute but

00:28:17.280 um the right in general in britain uh has an issue where uh instead of making you know a pressure

00:28:23.240 group a policy organization um you know a a new party crops up again and then people are divided

00:28:29.400 because of this and rather than uh working together so i think it's a crying shame uh that

00:28:34.420 the the right in this way has now been divided um when we should all be united um well i think

00:28:40.140 reform would do a fantastic uh job uh in uh in in in office you know what i because i'm not british

00:28:48.320 i don't have skin in the game but maybe it gives me some distance and i just think listen of course

00:28:52.880 Nigel Farage has his flaws of course he's not a perfect man he's a politician um but my god he's

00:28:58.680 I think the only alternative that is likely to achieve at least a portion of the goals, the funny thing is you and I have been talking for more than 20 minutes now, and we haven't even uttered the word Conservative Party or Kemi Badenoch, their new leader.

00:29:14.140 and she recently um i think had a very moral stand against the anti-semitic crime wave in

00:29:21.020 the uk which is actually shocking like almost every day another stabbing um arson attack it's

00:29:27.280 it's truly terrifying um let me just show you kemi when she was on the hustings i think just

00:29:33.480 yesterday the day before and i thought she gave a very passionate uh impassioned speech about how

00:29:40.040 you can't just say it's anti-zionism it really is anti-semitism here's kemi i thought this was

00:29:44.640 her finest hour here take a look these are these are not rehearsed questions i did a long interview

00:29:48.220 on this yesterday you might disagree with my views that's fine but my views are my views

00:29:52.660 what i am no no no these are these are views i want people to know it's very important that

00:29:57.320 people know what it is that they're voting for with me and what they will have with me is someone

00:30:01.700 who is very very determined to stop this climate of intimidation and hatred towards jews i go to

00:30:08.300 Jewish primary schools that have security guards outside.

00:30:11.320 I don't see that outside any other primary school in this country.

00:30:14.340 I go to supermarkets that have security guards.

00:30:16.660 I go to businesses, Jewish businesses,

00:30:18.520 that are having their windows smashed in.

00:30:21.220 Gail's bakery having graffiti sprayed all over it.

00:30:24.540 We need to stop pretending that this isn't happening.

00:30:27.000 We do not want the 1930s repeated again.

00:30:29.760 And what we see are people making excuses for this.

00:30:32.240 You will never get excuses from me.

00:30:33.960 We need to protect Jewish people. 0.56

00:30:35.680 What about the Muslims and the razz of attacks from the Muslim people though? 1.00

00:30:38.680 Fantastic. 1.00

00:30:39.680 Are they not worth protecting?

00:30:41.680 Thank you. The people who've died and who've been killed were Jewish people in synagogues. 1.00

00:30:44.680 Let's stop pretending that something else is happening. 0.96

00:30:47.680 But this isn't about...

00:30:48.680 No, it is, it is. It very much is. It very much is. It very much is about Jewish people.

00:30:53.680 And you can say all that you like, but this is how the 1930s started,

00:30:59.680 with people pretending not to see what was happening in front of them.

00:31:02.680 I am not blind. I can see. No, no, no. I'm telling people. I'm telling people the truth.

00:31:08.460 And they will always know that I stand behind Jewish people and I stand for them.

00:31:12.840 I'm sorry, but I disagree with you. You just have to accept that.

00:31:15.800 It goes on a little bit. I mean, and she gave some very strong media interviews as well.

00:31:19.580 I think it is a terrible situation in the UK. And I think it's Jews today and Christians tomorrow. 1.00

00:31:28.500 I mean, that's how it's been for 1400 years around the world.

00:31:32.680 And it's just that it's demographically difficult to say that because you have places like Birmingham, there are 35, 40 percent Muslim.

00:31:40.680 You have this new political force that we've been talking about.

00:31:43.620 Kemi Badenoch has made the decision that she's going to eschew the radical Muslim vote.

00:31:49.160 I mean, there are still some moderate Muslims. 0.55

00:31:52.820 And just to be ideologically and politically different than the incumbent Keir Starmer or the Greens. 0.57

00:31:58.360 and I think that Nigel Farage has done similar math and he has allied himself on the Jewish

00:32:04.440 or anti-terrorism side. I like Kemi but I don't think that there's a chance to put Humpty Dumpty

00:32:11.660 back together. After 14 years the Conservative Party was thrashed in the last election and

00:32:17.340 Nigel Farage is there to pick up the pieces. You've had defections from the Conservatives to

00:32:21.280 Reform UK. I like Kemi but I just don't think the Conservative Party of the UK is coming back which

00:32:26.460 is a crazy thing to say that's such an old institution it's such an amazing history i mean

00:32:32.020 just margaret thatcher being just the first name that jumps to mind is the conservative party of

00:32:37.140 the uk is it done for it's not done for yet uh but i will say as well uh on cammy that uh like

00:32:46.260 most tory politicians you know she talks a good talk but will never actually walk the walk yeah

00:32:51.200 if you look at their record in government they all said constantly we're going to get migration down

00:32:55.140 We're going to lower taxes. We're going to do this, that and the other.

00:32:58.340 And they always put in the most woke policies when it comes to schools.

00:33:02.340 They open the borders. They raise taxes. They do exactly the opposite of what they're going to say.

00:33:07.680 So it doesn't matter how good Kemi's rhetoric is on this.

00:33:12.040 The record of the Conservative Party is that they will never do anything that they promise.

00:33:17.460 Now, as I said, it's not dead yet.

00:33:20.640 This is why, again, I'm so in favor of a big, solidly decent reform majority, because if the Tories survive from 2029, if they survive 2029, they will continue.

00:33:36.120 If reform don't wipe them out at this next election, they will carry on in a significant way in right wing politics.

00:33:44.280 If there's a reformed Tory coalition, for example, the Tories will likely block everything that in many ways that reform would try and do or moderate it well down and therefore nothing good will ever happen.

00:33:57.180 And reform will take the hit in public opinion for this. And the Tories will again reposition themselves as as the party of the right.

00:34:04.700 But if they are wiped out, they will be relegated to a very small regional party where I can imagine they still cling on to 10 to 15 seats for the rest of time, but will never come back into government.

00:34:18.020 So, yes. So the Conservatives are, you know, and I think, you know, when you recognize that how many MPs are, you know, wet liberals within the Conservative Party have done so much damage to this country. 0.50

00:34:29.880 and institutionally it's just completely rotten uh you know the staffers are some of the worst 0.79

00:34:35.380 people to exist uh this is why reform has been blocking uh has been reform has been um has been

00:34:41.360 more positive bringing in former conservative mps and former conservative councillors because that

00:34:46.720 is some of the people who are good people but the people who have worked in in the institutions

00:34:50.860 who whisper who direct who write the policy who whisper in the ears the ministers uh these are

00:34:55.940 some of the worst sort of Westminster swamp types around. The reform have been blocking them

00:34:59.820 joining their HQ team. So yes, the Conservative Party is not dead. It could be in 2029. And I

00:35:07.400 really hope it is. We're talking with Jack Hatfield, one of the UK's leading citizen

00:35:12.160 journalists, someone who has a tremendous command of history as well, as you can tell.

00:35:17.480 Jack, as you know, I'm friends with Tommy Robinson, and he is treated as a social outcast

00:35:23.340 in most circles on the right um i mean nigel farage has been very nervous and i can understand

00:35:29.340 it again i don't condemn nigel farage for having some distance between them because they would

00:35:33.660 love to call nigel farage far right it's racist etc tommy robinson is not those things but that

00:35:40.280 the it's stuck to him because he's being accused of it so much and nigel farage is trying to

00:35:44.840 protect his brand i i get it i i'm not mad at him for that um but an amazing thing has happened

00:35:51.900 over the last years you know i've been close to tommy for a while and i've seen him at his lowest

00:35:56.260 lows but in the last year he's been vindicated in court and on several occasions he had a massive

00:36:02.480 rally in the uk uh last september um the lowest estimate i saw was 110 000 um i saw estimates

00:36:11.900 over a million even if it was quote just half a million people that's an enormous number who are

00:36:18.260 no longer afraid to come out and i think most of them frankly are reform uk supporters tommy is

00:36:22.700 having another big rally on may 16th i'll be coming over to see what that's like um importantly

00:36:28.820 he's had the friendship of elon musk who has boosted him on twitter and spoke at the last

00:36:34.040 rally my point is i think tommy hasn't changed but the uk has the facts have gotten worse a lot

00:36:42.640 of tommy's predictions have been borne out and when you have someone as powerful wealthy and

00:36:47.800 persuasive as elon musk breaking the social taboo of hanging out with tommy i think it moves the

00:36:54.800 needle a bit uh what's your take on tommy robinson as a political activist uh is he still treated as

00:37:03.280 poison by the establishment or are people saying look he he his prophecies have come true and the

00:37:11.120 guy can get hundreds of thousands i mean i don't know if any politician other than maybe maybe

00:37:15.580 Nigel Farage himself could get more than 100,000 people at a rally. Over to you, Jack. What do you

00:37:20.440 think? Yeah, I think you're right. If you do the shift, for example, for example, like 10 years

00:37:26.500 ago, I was so in Britain, I would have been on the far extreme right. Tommy Robinson would have

00:37:31.000 been. You probably would have been too if you were here. But now the opening window has shifted so

00:37:36.400 much. There is now a much greater space to the right of the positions that we hold. And so Tommy

00:37:42.360 is no longer uh you know the most evil nazi bigot racist you know as i'm afraid whatever you want to 0.92

00:37:48.540 call him uh to the media just because everything has shifted so much and now you know if you look 0.86

00:37:53.840 at what tommy was saying about radical islam and and other things etc i mean more people even go

00:37:59.780 further talking about you know wider demographic stuff and this has now been brought into example

00:38:04.500 you know tommy obviously never had this sort of ethno-nationalist even speaker discussion but now

00:38:08.500 You have Suela Braverman of Reform MP, obviously Matt Goodwin, he obviously tried to be a Reform MP, talking about English being an ethnicity and you have to have that heritage and ancestry and so on.

00:38:18.300 And so that's something that Tommy would never even said about, you know, because obviously he's focused on on on the Islam and the mass and the mass migration issue there.

00:38:28.080 I think, again, relating to reform, I remember at a reform conference last year, Zia Youssef was asked by, who we obviously mentioned earlier, was asked by Michael Gove, the Spectator, about Tommy Robinson.

00:38:40.600 And what Zia said to him, said about him was, you know, you have to give him props for being the first person to really talk about the Islamization of Britain, you know, getting the attention on the grooming gangs and so forth.

00:38:53.120 uh but uh but zia said no we would not let him into uh reform uk i think tommy has definitely

00:38:59.700 shredded a lot of the a lot of the biggest toxicity let's say if you are asking people

00:39:04.940 uh you know 10 years ago versus now you know saying that you're uh saying that you liked

00:39:09.740 tommy robinson or admired him i think 10 years ago you would have got a lot of um majority

00:39:14.840 negative responses from uh sort of the general public but now i would say that's probably not

00:39:19.620 the case um now he doesn't he still has enough toxicity in that i think in reform wouldn't want

00:39:26.060 to bring him in or publicly ally with him uh but the toxicity has moved down enough in that he

00:39:32.720 is now sort of part of the overall sort of rightist coalition and that he now has a public

00:39:38.400 part to play as you say can can bring you know like i i think from what i saw there probably

00:39:42.940 somewhere between 300 to 500 000 people you know uh on the streets of london and that and there is

00:39:47.700 no uh there's nothing to be sniffed at at all um so yeah you know it's it's yeah it's been very

00:39:53.020 interesting to see everything play out in terms of the general sort of radicalization and over

00:39:57.060 the window shift uh that we've seen in britain uh you know where now you know i can go on gb news

00:40:02.540 whereas 10 years ago this is this is not somewhere i would have been yeah i would have been not

00:40:06.800 touched with a barge pole um so yeah it's definitely but overall it's clearly as you can

00:40:10.560 tell a big positive shift uh in terms of who is accepted and now and who and who isn't yeah i

00:40:18.400 think that tommy is the most defamed man in the uk and a lot of that sticks let me play you a very

00:40:23.760 quick clip i mentioned rupert lowe um a moment ago he was recently interviewed by jacob reese mogg

00:40:30.420 who's a tory sort of a fancy pants a little bit on the posh side and he also has a gig at gb news

00:40:35.720 It's interesting to me in the UK how sitting politicians also are part of the media.

00:40:41.060 I like it, by the way.

00:40:42.580 It's just different than what we do here in Canada.

00:40:44.860 And Reece Maug sort of chided Rupert Lowe a little bit for hanging out with Tommy Robinson, called him an extremist and far right.

00:40:53.420 This is just about 10 days ago on GB News.

00:40:55.640 Let me play a clip of it because I want to show you an interesting thing.

00:40:59.360 So here's a conservative, as in the Conservative Party,

00:41:04.760 poking at Rupert Lowe gently,

00:41:06.380 but mainly saying that Tommy Robinson is far-right extremist.

00:41:10.060 One person who does seem to me to be far-right is Tommy Robinson.

00:41:13.760 I assume you wouldn't want to be associated with him

00:41:16.400 and his somewhat extreme statements.

00:41:20.320 Well, I'm not associated with Tommy.

00:41:22.460 I think, as I've said in the past,

00:41:25.680 Tommy has been right about the rape gangs,

00:41:29.800 and we haven't talked about our rape gang inquiry,

00:41:32.020 which, again, I think we should possibly touch.

00:41:33.400 Which is a very important issue, yes.

00:41:36.600 GB News, actually, has done lots of work.

00:41:38.880 I've given him credit, and the establishment, for some reason,

00:41:42.600 I think, fears Tommy Robinson,

00:41:44.440 because he is somebody who's been prepared.

00:41:49.220 You've brought up in Luton, as you know.

00:41:51.300 He saw firsthand what was happening.

00:41:53.840 And the rape gang issue has been going on for probably 50 years, but accelerating really after the Blairite sort of era and particularly into the early 2000s.

00:42:06.220 So and he was talking about it in 2000 to one, two, three.

00:42:10.800 And he's been right. He's absolutely right about that issue.

00:42:14.440 And I believe if somebody is right about something, you have to give them credit for it.

00:42:19.140 But the establishment fears Tommy Robinson for some reason.

00:42:23.140 I'm not quite sure why.

00:42:24.460 I think they, I don't know what he has or hasn't done wrong.

00:42:29.620 I give him credit for being right on this issue.

00:42:31.720 He's got a criminal record for fraud, which is quite serious.

00:42:35.200 But so have quite a lot of people.

00:42:36.820 Well, not that many.

00:42:39.300 Quite a lot of people have got a criminal record.

00:42:41.720 Well, not in the circles I'd move in.

00:42:43.660 I haven't. I haven't and you haven't, but some haven't.

00:42:45.820 But so, look, I don't judge him for that,

00:42:48.680 But I he has been right on this issue. So that was just like a week ago. But look at Reese Mogg yesterday saying that he was proud or impressed, rather, that the Oxford Union, which is the debating club at Oxford University, very famous debating club, has invited Tommy Robinson to debate.

00:43:08.320 Now, Tommy has spoken there before, but it is interesting. It's a sign, as you say, Jack, of the moving Overton window that Tommy Robinson is part of the debate. Again, he's not beyond the pale. And what I got a kick out of is that Reese Mogg is cheering on the Oxford Union, whereas just a week ago he was repeating the message track to Tommy Robinson. I don't even know what far right means anymore, frankly.

00:43:32.180 um i want to add so i mean that maybe the peer pressure is reversing uh i mean i think peer

00:43:40.100 pressure is about looking around and seeing what your social group your peer group does

00:43:44.760 and and elon musk is really at the top of the pyramid for setting trends so i don't know i

00:43:50.860 think i think the people who had the stranglehold on what is polite society and polite company or

00:43:55.880 not are changed let me throw one last thing at you i'd love you love your feedback on this

00:43:59.980 i'm a fan of tommy's it's clear but i acknowledge that he has had criminal convictions and served

00:44:05.740 time not just for political offenses but for other things and so uh including a passport issue

00:44:12.900 but he was recently granted a special visa to travel to the united states of america and that

00:44:20.020 would have been approved at a very high level perhaps even by the secretary of state himself

00:44:24.180 and the sensitivities to granting a visa to tommy robinson and and he went to america and he spoke

00:44:31.100 in congress and he met with people of very high backgrounds who hadn't been poisoned against tommy

00:44:37.120 who didn't have 10 years of defamation that they had to push aside to see him they just met him on

00:44:42.620 like imagine meeting tommy and hearing about him for really the first time he would make a very

00:44:47.280 different impression than if he had to meet you after you had heard a hundred negative things

00:44:51.360 Anyhow, my point is, what do you think it says that the U.S. State Department approved a visa and various U.S. congressmen met with Tommy, the man that Keir Starmer and the British legal political establishment have demonized to no end?

00:45:13.340 What do you think that says?

00:45:14.260 Well, I mean, for me, it says that, you know, we finally have, you know, an administration in America that is actually friendly to people who care about mass migration, free speech, all of these issues that we've been fighting about for years.

00:45:30.600 finally you know uh big big uncle sam is actually on on the right side for once uh you know an

00:45:37.160 example of this i saw um sarah rogers who's fantastic is the under secretary of state for

00:45:42.160 public diplomacy in the state department uh the guardian did a hit piece on her where uh she uh

00:45:48.480 had because she retweeted a video of me uh once and they had tried to attack her her via attacking

00:45:54.840 me you know drinking dredging up old stories uh you know leftist smears about me um you know and

00:46:01.020 uh and uh and sarah said i don't know what you're talking about like this is like why is why is this

00:46:06.160 an issue and i don't look into you know the history of everyone uh of everyone who's uh who's um who

00:46:11.920 i've retweeted um you know you can imagine you know years ago this would not have been you know

00:46:16.420 like the the republicans generally the gop or the more moderate side they always get very skittish

00:46:21.260 about this um but you know i you can tell that there is a a powerful movement um you know thanks

00:46:26.840 to trump and thanks to the you know more like america first agenda uh pushing people there

00:46:32.160 who say no i don't care about you know i don't care about the media i don't care about the

00:46:36.920 establishment who says you know we have to kowtow to um you know x y and z because somebody has been

00:46:42.460 declared far right or racist or whatever at any point in their career no you know these these

00:46:47.800 people fight on the side of freedom and we're going to back them uh and that really is fantastic

00:46:52.660 to see uh from across the ponds now will it hold until post 2028 that's the entire different

00:46:58.300 question uh but certainly for now it does feel very good to to you know to know that there are

00:47:04.720 people in the you know most important country in the world in terms of power uh that actually

00:47:09.900 you know do uh do have our back from time and i think it's a bit of a rebuke to keir starmer and

00:47:14.540 his his leadership as well i mean um that would not have been well received by the british prime

00:47:21.180 minister i think and uh i mean keir starmer and donald trump are not really getting along well

00:47:25.720 king charles's visit uh did did fairly well and he managed to keep the global warming stuff

00:47:31.780 under wraps more or less um let me ask you one last question being very generous with your time

00:47:36.560 jack uh i mean you know the uk intimately it's it's your life it's your home it's your background

00:47:42.940 it's your history and you study its politics for fun and profit and um if you had to look ahead

00:47:49.940 for the next six to 12 months what what are the events or the the um the decision moments that

00:47:57.300 you think might be newsy in in canada my answer would be the alberta separatist referendum might

00:48:02.480 be important what's the equivalent in the uk what is there i mean you mentioned the general elections

00:48:08.600 probably won't be for another three years what should people be looking towards as a decisive

00:48:12.920 moment i mean almost certainly will uh obviously we have we have the local elections coming up and

00:48:19.580 that's almost immediate you know that that is that is this week um and i think that there is a

00:48:24.660 possibility uh that uh if labor are absolutely hammered as we expect them to be that keir starmer

00:48:29.900 is finally weakened and goes but i wouldn't say that this is immediate so i could say within the

00:48:34.640 next one to two months or so we could have a change in prime minister uh you know it could

00:48:41.420 be that he's finally taken off uh his uh his high horse over uh over there um other than that uh

00:48:48.540 what i also expect to see is once again a rise in uh the uh asylum seeker rape cases back up again

00:48:57.080 because the weather is now improving you know there's a dirt of this over the winter uh simply

00:49:01.780 because these people did not go out on the streets and assault their victims but i've heard

00:49:05.460 that there are there's with obviously with the more uh boat crossing increases going to be more

00:49:09.500 people out and because of the weather there'll be more likely to be outside and attack so i do

00:49:14.080 expect that we will once again see for the third year in a row a big summer of protests and that

00:49:19.140 will have obviously reset the agenda again talking about illegal migration talking about the boats

00:49:24.100 talking about all of this which it throws back to uh which obviously reforms bread and butter

00:49:29.020 on that issue. So, yes, certainly a big, big threat to Keir Starmer's leadership imminently.

00:49:35.600 Will he survive? Will he not? Well, I hope he survives because, frankly, he's weaker and people

00:49:39.920 like him less than almost every other possible Labour leadership candidate. So he's a good

00:49:45.940 person to be fighting against. And yes. And then, too, I expect to have another summer of protests

00:49:50.920 as well, which will obviously massively change the news agenda. Jack, it's great to catch up

00:49:56.180 with you. Thanks for spending so much time with us. What's the best way for people to follow you

00:49:59.960 on social media? Yeah, I'm most active on X, so I'm at there, at Jack Hatters. Most other social

00:50:07.340 medias are either that handle or a similar one, but you can all find them by going to

00:50:13.300 jackhadfield.co.uk, which has all of my links, and you can find me everywhere there. But yeah,

00:50:18.980 primarily on X, at Jack Hatters. Well, that's the best place to be. It's the freest place to be,

00:50:24.400 and that's certainly my go-to social media platform.

00:50:29.440 Jack, great to catch up with you.

00:50:30.820 Maybe we'll see you in the UK on May 16th.

00:50:33.520 Hopefully so.

00:50:34.660 All right, there he is, Jack Hatfield.

00:50:36.200 What a great catch-up on the UK.

00:50:38.360 I think every Canadian can find it interesting

00:50:40.760 as a map of where we will go

00:50:43.820 if we don't change course.

00:50:45.380 The trends that they're going through now,

00:50:46.860 we will likely go through them ourselves soon.

00:50:49.900 Well, that's our show for the day.

00:50:51.700 Until tomorrow,

00:50:52.600 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters

00:50:55.020 to you at home.

00:50:56.360 Good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - May 07, 2026

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Muslims reach critical mass in UK politics … is Canada next？

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