Rebel News Podcast - November 06, 2025


EZRA LEVANT ｜ New York has fallen： Voters elect Communist mayor


Episode Stats

Length

42 minutes

Words per Minute

153.26086

Word Count

6,533

Sentence Count

472

Misogynist Sentences

8

Hate Speech Sentences

17


Summary

Zoran Mabdani has been elected New York City's next mayor. He's a Muslim, a communist, a socialist, a liberal, a leftist, a Muslim. And he's running for mayor of the Big Apple.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Tonight, less than 25 years after 9-11, New York City votes in a communist Muslim mayor.
00:00:06.660 It's November 5th and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
00:00:12.400 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:00:24.520 Oh, hi everybody. You can see I'm still in London. I'm here for a special mission tomorrow.
00:00:28.820 I can't tell you the details now for security reasons, but I'll give you more info tomorrow.
00:00:34.640 By the way, look at how they do their Remembrance Day poppies over here in the UK.
00:00:39.660 Homemade, knitted. It's sort of beautiful.
00:00:43.260 A fella saw me yesterday without mine on and he gave me this. I'm very grateful to him.
00:00:47.660 Anyway, I want to talk about what happened halfway across the world in New York City today.
00:00:51.460 It actually happened last night.
00:00:54.040 Namely, Zoran Mandani was elected the mayor of New York City.
00:00:58.820 Born in Uganda, the son of two Marxist radicals, his father, an anti-American extremist professor.
00:01:06.240 Here's a few words from dad.
00:01:08.480 America is the genesis of what we call settler colonialism.
00:01:13.800 And the American model was exported all around the world.
00:01:20.640 Abraham Lincoln generalized the solution of reservations.
00:01:25.960 They herded American Indians into separate territories.
00:01:31.620 For the Nazis, for the Nazis, this was the inspiration.
00:01:39.980 Hitler realized two things.
00:01:42.340 One, that genocide was doable.
00:01:46.380 It is possible to do genocide.
00:01:49.540 That's what Hitler realized.
00:01:51.140 Second thing Hitler realized is that you don't have to have a common citizenship.
00:01:59.560 You can differentiate between people.
00:02:02.600 The Nuremberg laws were patterned after American laws.
00:02:06.460 Anyway, the U.S. put Indians in reservations.
00:02:12.100 The U.S. invented the model.
00:02:15.460 And his mom, a movie producer, and in fact, Zoran himself was a bit of a theater kid.
00:02:21.620 Here he is doing some rap.
00:02:23.700 That was his first choice of the career.
00:02:26.480 But alas, mom's connections couldn't make up for a lack of talent.
00:02:29.940 Here he is.
00:02:30.480 Well, he bounced around from theater kid job to theater kid job until he came up with the
00:02:54.260 ultimate part to play, which was a local counselor.
00:02:58.000 Well, he's the mayor of New York now.
00:02:59.420 He didn't get 50% of the vote, but he beat Andrew Cuomo, who was his chief counterpart.
00:03:07.200 Cuomo used to be the governor of New York until he was felled by a U2 scandal.
00:03:14.460 And if you add up the votes from Andrew Cuomo and could have sleep the creator of the guardian
00:03:21.860 angels or the street safety movement, pretty much a dead heap.
00:03:26.460 But that's not how politics works.
00:03:28.880 What's real is what happens.
00:03:30.320 And although the votes split was almost perfectly even, the votes split did happen.
00:03:34.340 I think it's going to be a new chapter for New York, much like the election of Sadiq Khan was for London.
00:03:43.960 Here's just an excerpt from Zoran Mabdani's election night acceptance speech.
00:03:49.900 He didn't really reference America or any founding fathers.
00:03:52.920 In fact, he started off by referencing a communist.
00:03:56.700 The sun may have set over our city this evening, but as Eugene Debs once said,
00:04:05.940 I can see the dawn of a better day for humanity.
00:04:12.080 For as long as we can remember, the working people of New York have been told by the wealthy
00:04:23.720 and the well-connected that power does not belong in their hands.
00:04:27.340 Fingers bruised from lifting boxes on the warehouse floor, palms calloused from delivery bike handlebars,
00:04:38.660 knuckles scarred with kitchen burns.
00:04:41.580 These are not hands that have been allowed to hold power.
00:04:44.760 Mabdani praised every ethnicity except for America.
00:04:49.180 You take a look at that.
00:04:50.160 Thank you to those so often forgotten by the politics of our city who made this movement their own.
00:05:01.860 I speak of Yemeni bodega owners and Mexican abuelas.
00:05:09.540 Senegalese taxi drivers and Uzbek nurses.
00:05:15.780 Trinidadian line cooks and Ethiopian aunties.
00:05:20.160 Yes, aunties.
00:05:27.460 To every New Yorker in Kensington and Midwood and Huns Paul.
00:05:32.320 That's who he said he was courting.
00:05:34.800 And in fact, his campaign ads were in several languages other than English.
00:05:39.440 He's speaking Arabic.
00:05:40.700 Hello, my name is Zohran Mabdani.
00:05:43.720 I'm going to be working for the new Yorke in New York.
00:05:47.660 I know how to think about it.
00:05:48.780 It's a very good thing.
00:05:49.660 It's a very good thing.
00:05:50.660 But the Arabian people want to work a little bit.
00:05:52.860 With this, I would like to ask you a little bit more than 4 November.
00:05:57.620 The New Yorker is a good thing for everyone.
00:05:59.780 How does it live?
00:06:01.180 It's okay?
00:06:02.080 Everything iyi?
00:06:02.760 And it's easy to live with each other and repay indigenous kids.
00:06:05.500 I have an indicative of livre arabs for more than
00:06:17.600 The crazy thing is, and this may sound hard to believe,
00:06:46.600 that while he did draw a vote from the Muslim community and other new immigrants,
00:06:51.600 his support was overwhelming amongst white liberals, especially white liberal single women,
00:07:00.600 who voted for him at more than 80%.
00:07:03.600 I say again, he only got about 49% of the vote in total.
00:07:08.600 Women were 80% plus.
00:07:11.600 They just voted for him, I don't know, to hell with you, dad, or I'll show you, or with some fantasy,
00:07:18.600 I don't know what, but the idea of liberal being an opponent for someone who is a communist,
00:07:24.600 and in some ways, let's say he's a religious fanatic, his old wife is not covered,
00:07:30.600 she doesn't wear a niqab or anything, but it's just an astonishing moment by young liberals.
00:07:37.600 There's a lot of conversations these days about how young men are becoming more right-wing,
00:07:42.600 but I think that that is a modest turn of events compared to how left-wing women are,
00:07:47.600 not just in the United States, but in Canada too, and even abroad, I understand in South Korea,
00:07:52.600 it's particularly apparent.
00:07:54.600 Anyways, I think that New York City has a problem now, I'm not sure which problem it is.
00:08:00.600 On the one hand, Zoran Mamdani, if he does use the tools at his disposal,
00:08:07.600 he really could make New York more communist and less American.
00:08:11.600 He's on record despising the police, he's on record denigrating America itself,
00:08:17.600 let alone his views on Jews and anti-Semitism.
00:08:22.600 It's also quite possible that someone who's really his first job is to be the mayor of New York,
00:08:29.600 which is like being the prime minister of a small country,
00:08:32.600 there's a real chance that he may just completely fail,
00:08:35.600 but he'll be able to do a lot of damage in the meantime.
00:08:38.600 New York is resilient.
00:08:39.600 It was in dire straits in the 1970s before Rudy Giuliani brought it back,
00:08:44.600 mainly through a tough-on-crime approach,
00:08:47.600 but Zoran Mamdani's the anti-Giuliani in just about every single way.
00:08:53.600 The thing is, the difference now versus when Giuliani put New York back together,
00:08:58.600 is it's a lot easier for wealthy people, for mobile people to work from home,
00:09:04.600 if they want to move across the river into New Jersey,
00:09:08.600 or more likely, move down to Florida.
00:09:11.600 Ever since COVID, people have gotten used to not working in big offices,
00:09:16.600 and to this day, the vacancy rates in New York City have not recovered to pre-COVID levels.
00:09:21.600 I think you could just see people leaving New York.
00:09:24.600 A combination of anti-Semitism that is already on the rise there,
00:09:28.600 plus a certain rise in crime,
00:09:30.600 plus the war on wealth that is on the side suggests,
00:09:35.600 because I think a lot of people will leave New York.
00:09:38.600 It's funny about the left though, they rail against billionaires,
00:09:41.600 but it was interesting that Zoran Mamdani waited until today
00:09:46.600 to publish this photo with Alex Soros, the son of George Soros, a billionaire donor.
00:09:52.600 I guess there's the good billionaires who donate to him,
00:09:55.600 and then the bad wealthy people who is everyone else.
00:09:58.600 Donald Trump weighed in on the elections,
00:10:01.600 not just in New York City, which I think everyone saw coming,
00:10:04.600 but also in elections in Virginia and New Jersey.
00:10:08.600 And they were disappointments for the Republicans.
00:10:11.600 I was excited by the candidate for governor in Virginia,
00:10:15.600 an immigrant, black, female Marine.
00:10:20.600 And I know those are just identity politics moves,
00:10:23.600 but she was a genuine right winger.
00:10:25.600 And I was sort of excited by that she was the lieutenant and lieutenant governor
00:10:29.600 in the fire administration, but she lost to a trans activist.
00:10:36.600 And not only did she lose, but every single county in Virginia
00:10:41.600 trended towards the Democrats.
00:10:43.600 That is, every single place moved more to the left.
00:10:47.600 And Trump had a few ideas for what that was.
00:10:51.600 He didn't even get into it deeply, but here's some of his thoughts on that.
00:10:55.600 So he's talking about the government shutdown, which is a bit of an issue.
00:10:58.600 But I have to think that part of it is the spectacle for the last six months
00:11:03.600 of anti-Semitism trying to inject itself in the Republican Party.
00:11:08.600 One of the claims made by the left, made by the Democrats,
00:11:11.600 is that you can't trust Republicans if you're tolerant.
00:11:14.600 You can't trust Republicans, especially if you're an immigrant or a minority,
00:11:18.600 because they hate you and hurt you.
00:11:21.600 And it's as if people like you, the Anazoans, the Nicoletas, the Tucker Carlson,
00:11:27.600 have worked hard these last six months trying to prove those caricatures true.
00:11:32.600 Like I say, in New York City, it was white women who voted for Danny as much as anything.
00:11:38.600 But I think that the ugly racism that has reared its head in the Republicans in the last six months
00:11:44.600 has really scared some people off.
00:11:46.600 But it's not real Republicans.
00:11:48.600 I mean, Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson in particular have large online audiences,
00:11:55.600 but neither of them bothered to interview Andrew Cuomo,
00:12:00.600 the leading candidate, although he's a Democrat,
00:12:02.600 the leading candidate for mayor other than Mandela,
00:12:04.600 and what his problem would be him,
00:12:06.600 let alone the Republican candidates in Virginia or New Jersey.
00:12:11.600 My point is they were too busy indulging in conspiracy theories
00:12:15.600 or platforming crazy people.
00:12:18.600 I mean, Tucker Carlson was interviewed with the Prime Minister of Qatar.
00:12:23.600 He interviewed people who say that Churchill was the enemy in the Second World War
00:12:27.600 and Hitler wasn't that bad.
00:12:29.600 He actually said Mamdani had a tick to his heart
00:12:34.600 because Mamdani didn't say he was pro-Israel.
00:12:37.600 Here's Tucker talking about that.
00:12:40.600 Yeah, I don't think Tucker is a Republican anymore.
00:12:43.600 I don't think he's pro-American anymore.
00:12:45.600 I know that's crazy to say because for a decade he was the best.
00:12:49.600 Candace Owens tweeted today she'll never vote Republican
00:12:53.600 until the true killers of Charlie Pirka revealed she's had every conspiracy theory possible.
00:12:58.600 Obviously, she's got two conspiracy theories about it being the Jews.
00:13:03.600 My point is that these people, Candace Owens, Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson,
00:13:11.600 they're not actually for Trump.
00:13:13.600 They're not actually for winning elections.
00:13:15.600 And I don't think they're actually conservatives.
00:13:17.600 So when people say don't have a quarrel within the right,
00:13:21.600 don't have a civil war within the right, I would say they're not in the right.
00:13:25.600 I mean, Nick Fuentes is a racist and anti-Semite, anti-Black, anti-a lot of things.
00:13:31.600 But even if you put that odious bigotry aside, he's absolutely not either for Donald Trump or Trump's policies,
00:13:39.600 let alone the idea of him supporting a black female gubernatorial candidate.
00:13:44.600 So I think that it was an upsetting day for people who support Donald Trump and his conservative policies.
00:13:53.600 But it was a warning city.
00:13:56.600 It was not a disaster.
00:13:58.600 Losing New York, hopefully it can be won again,
00:14:01.600 but New York is such a left-wing city and it's about 40% foreign born.
00:14:05.600 What are you going to do? The demographics there are just so you move.
00:14:08.600 By the way, Toronto, Vancouver are all more foreign born than New York.
00:14:13.600 And that's a factor.
00:14:15.600 Other than the metric of are you a single liberal woman,
00:14:18.600 if you are a very recent arrival in New York City,
00:14:21.600 that was actually the number one indicator that you would go for a pandemic.
00:14:25.600 So immigration, you see the fruits of it in those places.
00:14:29.600 But I think that this is enough lead time for Trump and Republicans
00:14:33.600 to figure out how to go forward and that they have some problems.
00:14:39.600 I'm not saying that there aren't other issues afoot,
00:14:42.600 but the civil war within the party and the blemish on the party's reputation
00:14:48.600 by platforming and allowing outright Nazis like Nick Fuentes to steal the brand identity party,
00:14:57.600 I think that should not be underestimated as one of the problems.
00:15:01.600 I'll be back in a minute with another little monologue I have to you from the streets of London.
00:15:06.600 I'll be back in a minute.
00:15:16.600 Hey, I'm back. Thanks for letting me do these little on the street monologues.
00:15:21.600 I don't have a teleprompter in front of me, so I don't have some of the precise facts and figures at my fingertips.
00:15:27.600 But I wanted to share with you some thoughts that I have.
00:15:30.600 Even though I'm away from the studio, I have a project tomorrow.
00:15:34.600 You'll see what I'm doing.
00:15:35.600 But I want to share with you some ideas now.
00:15:37.600 In fact, something very interesting caught my eye.
00:15:39.600 We talked about Trump, one of my favorite people.
00:15:41.600 But Elon Musk, another amazing guy.
00:15:44.600 In fact, the person who bankrolled Tommy Robinson's legal defense in this latest Trump.
00:15:50.600 As you may know, he is in renegotiations of his contract with Tesla.
00:15:55.600 Now, Elon Musk is the boss of a number of companies.
00:15:58.600 Some of them are more obscure.
00:15:59.600 He's the boss of The Boring Company, which is sort of a pun.
00:16:03.600 It is a tunnel-making company that has a project underneath Las Vegas.
00:16:09.600 And the idea is to have emissions-free cars move in these tunnels to stop traffic jams on the top.
00:16:16.600 Well, that's one of his companies.
00:16:18.600 You're probably much more familiar with these companies.
00:16:20.600 Starlink.
00:16:21.600 Obviously, no X or Twitter, as it used to be known.
00:16:24.600 Starlink is an incredibly important company responsible for more than 90% of all payloads being delivered to space.
00:16:32.600 The second place, by the way, is the government of China.
00:16:36.600 But you can see my point that I'm coming to.
00:16:39.600 Tesla, Neuralink, Boring Company, X, Starlink.
00:16:43.600 And he has a military equivalent to Starlink called Starshield.
00:16:47.600 And then there's SpaceX.
00:16:49.600 What's that?
00:16:50.600 I just listed six different companies.
00:16:52.600 So you can imagine the problem of Tesla when they want to renew a contract with the world's busiest man,
00:16:59.600 the world's most productive man.
00:17:02.600 How do you get his time, attention, and ingenuity on making cars when he's, you know, an incredible polymath?
00:17:11.600 He does a little bit of everything, including sometimes campaigning for politics, including supporting Tommy Robinson in court.
00:17:19.600 Well, the answer that Tesla's board has come up with is a performance-based contract that has such incredible milestones that if Musk were to truly achieve them,
00:17:33.600 Tesla would be worth close to $10 trillion.
00:17:36.600 They have these milestones and they have a little presentation you can see of how much the market capitalization,
00:17:43.600 that is the share price, is worth, how many cars are produced, how many cars are sold,
00:17:48.600 how many autopilot cars, like self-driving autonomous cars.
00:17:53.600 I think the target he has to reach is a million taxis, a million autopilot taxis.
00:18:00.600 There's so many, and they're all such astounding targets, like they're almost fanciful, almost impossible to achieve.
00:18:08.600 He has to sell a certain number of robots.
00:18:11.600 I don't know if you know that, but Tesla's making robots.
00:18:15.600 Anyways, the milestones are almost laughably huge.
00:18:21.600 I mean, the world's largest companies, their market capitalization is $3 or $4 trillion.
00:18:27.600 This would require Elon Musk to more than double that, to triple that on a certain schedule.
00:18:34.600 Oh, and by the way, he gets paid zero salary.
00:18:38.600 His only reward is meeting these milestones.
00:18:41.600 The only way he gets paid is if he makes everyone else extremely rich first.
00:18:47.600 But in the end, if he does these miracles, if he proves that he is the world's most economically valuable man,
00:18:55.600 he will earn about a trillion dollars himself.
00:18:59.600 By the way, his wealth right now is about half a trillion.
00:19:02.600 I'm not sure at what point money even motivates a man at all.
00:19:06.600 I mean, if you're making, if you have half a trillion already,
00:19:10.600 I'm sure you want another half a trillion to say you're the first trillionaire.
00:19:15.600 But at a certain point, I've got to think money itself is not motivating.
00:19:21.600 You just have so much of it.
00:19:23.600 I don't know. I could be wrong.
00:19:24.600 Luckily, I don't have those problems to deal with.
00:19:26.600 Anyway, so this is going before the shareholders of Tesla in a vote.
00:19:31.600 Now, just a little bit of history.
00:19:33.600 A few years ago, Elon Musk had a similar contract that he just hit out of the park.
00:19:38.600 And Tesla became an extremely, more valuable than every other American car company.
00:19:44.600 And some activist shareholders sued, saying it was an illegal contract,
00:19:51.600 even though this man had just turned Tesla into this mighty global force.
00:19:56.600 And a judge in Delaware agreed this was a shock to the system.
00:20:00.600 Would Elon Musk just abandon Tesla and go and do these other very remunerative things?
00:20:06.600 So it was a legal battle.
00:20:08.600 But this is sort of round two of that.
00:20:11.600 The board is saying we need Elon Musk.
00:20:14.600 It's almost impossible to imagine Tesla without Elon Musk.
00:20:17.600 Of course, it would have a future.
00:20:18.600 But I think it's reasonable to say it would lose half its value immediately.
00:20:23.600 Just having access to his vision and his brains and his team building ability and his management style.
00:20:29.600 I mean, he really is one of a kind.
00:20:32.600 So there's a vote on this.
00:20:35.600 And I see that one after another, wealthy institutional investors are saying we need Elon.
00:20:41.600 We love how this is set up.
00:20:43.600 It's performance based, very transparent.
00:20:46.600 He doesn't get rich until we get rich, like one after another.
00:20:49.600 But I see that the world's largest sovereign wealth fund has come out against this package for Elon Musk.
00:20:57.600 Now, when I read that headline, I thought, oh, are the Saudis pouting about it?
00:21:01.600 No, the world's largest sovereign wealth fund, that means money held by a government,
00:21:06.600 not an institutional investor, not a pension fund, not a wealthy person.
00:21:10.600 The world's largest sovereign wealth fund, I didn't know this, is Norwegian.
00:21:14.600 It's where they're putting all their North Sea oil money.
00:21:18.600 It's got about $1.8 trillion in it.
00:21:20.600 And they are one of the top ten owners of Tesla stock.
00:21:25.600 In terms of percentage, it's only one or two percent.
00:21:29.600 But that is large, given how big Tesla is.
00:21:33.600 And they have come out against this.
00:21:35.600 And I was sort of shocked by that, until it sort of clicked in my mind.
00:21:39.600 Okay, this is a political fund.
00:21:41.600 This is a government fund.
00:21:43.600 And they are guided by politics, not just by money.
00:21:48.600 I did a little research into this Norwegian government fund called EnBib.
00:21:56.600 I don't know how to pronounce it in Norwegian, but it's their investment management fund.
00:22:03.600 And they, I told you they have about $1.8 trillion in investments.
00:22:09.600 Tesla is not their biggest investment.
00:22:11.600 They have about three times as much money invested in communist China in over 800 companies, including four automakers.
00:22:21.600 So, apparently, EnBib, I'm going to call it that.
00:22:26.600 That's its acronym.
00:22:27.600 I can't pronounce an allusion.
00:22:28.600 EnBib is outraged by what Tesla would be doing with Elon Musk.
00:22:34.600 And it's wrong.
00:22:35.600 And they don't want it.
00:22:37.600 And they're repulsed by it morally.
00:22:39.600 But they're fine pouring money into 850 different Chinese companies, excuse me,
00:22:46.600 including some that have credibly been accused of doing business with suppliers that use slave labor in the Chinese province of Xinjiang.
00:22:57.600 That's the majority Muslim province with concentration camps of slave labor.
00:23:02.600 EnBib has no problem investing in funds in companies in China that are accused of using slave labor.
00:23:11.600 You know, because they're Norwegian, because they're Scandinavian, they've got that do-gooderism.
00:23:16.600 And they have all these ideas.
00:23:19.600 DEI, of course, stands for diversity, equity, inclusion.
00:23:22.600 That's what it's called sort of with people.
00:23:24.600 But with corporate investors, they call it ESG, environmental, social, and governance.
00:23:29.600 You would think that Tesla would be a slam dunk for the climate because it doesn't have a combustion engine in it.
00:23:36.600 But they're also for race quotas and gender quotas.
00:23:40.600 So it's sort of laughable that a company like that would invest in China at all,
00:23:46.600 let alone investing in China while condemning Elon Musk.
00:23:50.600 It's rather outrageous, but I have this sneaky feeling that maybe they're, I don't know, running errands for Tesla's Chinese competitors.
00:23:59.600 If you own stocks in four different Chinese automakers, maybe it's in your interest to have Elon Musk leave Tesla
00:24:07.600 and have someone less stellar take their place.
00:24:11.600 I don't know.
00:24:12.600 When this vote is over, I'm quite sure that Elon Musk will get this offer.
00:24:16.600 And I say again, he's getting no salary.
00:24:18.600 He's getting no cash.
00:24:20.600 And the only way he gets paid is if he makes his company the most wealthy, valuable company in the history of the planet.
00:24:27.600 So, you know, good for him.
00:24:29.600 And I hope they get them.
00:24:30.600 But if they do or if they don't, I think they should, instead of getting rid of Elon Musk,
00:24:34.600 I think they should get rid of this Norwegian company.
00:24:36.600 What do you think?
00:24:38.600 Anyways, that's it from the streets of London.
00:24:41.600 And I'm sorry I'm not in the studio.
00:24:43.600 I will be back in Canada soon.
00:24:45.600 I have one more day out here and then I'll be back home.
00:24:48.600 Thanks for your patience.
00:24:49.600 Keep fighting for freedom at home.
00:24:51.600 Drea Humphrey here with Rebel News and I am preparing to head back to Universal Ostrich Farms.
00:25:09.600 In case you missed it, the Supreme Court of Canada notified the public late last week that this week, November 6th, on Thursday morning,
00:25:19.600 they will be handing down their ruling on the farm's application for a leave.
00:25:26.600 That is to pursue a hearing in the Supreme Court to further challenge the Canadian Food Inspection Agency's cull order on their healthy flock of hundreds of ostriches.
00:25:38.600 I will, of course, be your eyes and ears on the ground at the farm on 301 Langdale Road.
00:25:45.600 And the farmers continue to invite anybody who wants to come in peace and stand with them to camp out during the moment when they'll find out whether or not they're getting another miracle,
00:25:57.600 which would cause the birds to live months, I'd say, into the next year if they're about to have a hearing to appeal the lower court's decision on this matter.
00:26:06.600 Or if they're going to get that horrific news that despite all of their efforts and all of the logic and all of the science to support that these birds should survive, it wasn't enough.
00:26:19.600 These animals are suffering under the care of Canadian Food Inspection Agency and there is no reason for the suffering.
00:26:26.600 We are asking for everybody in Canada to rise up.
00:26:29.600 This is the perfect weekend to take to your town or your city with your family and support change.
00:26:36.600 And the CFIA who's been camped out on their property for nearly 40 days will be free to slaughter their healthy flock of ostriches.
00:26:46.600 You can support our costs, our journalism to go back there yet again, camp there at SaveTheOstriches.com.
00:26:54.600 But for now, I bring you an interview with Katie Positney about the latest with how the farm is feeling,
00:27:01.600 some of their concerns about the CFIA's care of the animals, including the count of animals,
00:27:08.600 as well as the tragic loss of one of their faithful supporters named Tom.
00:27:14.600 All right, Katie, fill us in.
00:27:17.600 How are you, the other farmers and the supporters feeling now that you know that Thursday is a big day?
00:27:24.600 Well, it's been emotional.
00:27:27.600 We knew that this was coming, but it's a very important day for all Canadians, not just for us.
00:27:33.600 Because, you know, in the news and everything that we're listening to, I mean, since September 2020, or since September this year, 4 million birds have been killed.
00:27:45.600 And then I believe the dates were since 44 million birds were killed from January to May 2025.
00:27:55.600 So what this shows is that also mass killings are not working.
00:28:00.600 You know, they keep saying that there's horrific methods being used like ventilation shutoff, the suffocation from foam, and barbaric tactics that are really dressed up as humane actions.
00:28:13.600 And they're not.
00:28:15.600 We're fighting for a resolution or for a solution to mitigate the, you know, this pandemic that they're saying.
00:28:23.600 And that could be the next pandemic.
00:28:25.600 The truth is, is that this is an endemic, because avian influenza has been around since 2004.
00:28:30.600 And we're seeing an increase of it.
00:28:33.600 And what they say is an increase of it.
00:28:35.600 But I think it's time that we start to bring new opportunity to the table.
00:28:39.600 And that's all we've been trying to do since, since December of last year is say, hey, we have opportunity here to use antibodies and to help heal.
00:28:48.600 And we've just been met with resistance, which is really kind of never made sense.
00:28:54.600 Herd immunity exists.
00:28:56.600 And that's what we're fighting for with that decision looming.
00:28:59.600 We need to keep this in mind as Canadians.
00:29:01.600 Herd immunity.
00:29:03.600 Canadian Food Inspection Agency from some cattle that just got killed and other animals that are being killed.
00:29:10.600 Other farm owners are saying it's like Canadian Food Inspection Agency thinks that we can just go get new ones.
00:29:16.600 And we're losing decades of genetic building, healthy genetics, and we're going back to ground zero.
00:29:24.600 And ground zero for natural immunity is very scary, because if we don't have natural immunity and antibodies, we will become reliant on vaccinations,
00:29:33.600 which the pharmaceutical company is very happy about, because then that's who we make the money for.
00:29:38.600 But we are fighting for Canadians.
00:29:40.600 And if we can't use our voices in this calm, peaceful way of a demonstration like we've done here, to stand up for voices, a better way, new protocols, new policy.
00:29:53.600 We are, we're really, this isn't a left issue and this isn't a right issue.
00:29:59.600 This is an issue that is up or down.
00:30:01.600 Do we choose to go up from here?
00:30:03.600 Or do we choose to go down?
00:30:05.600 And that's, it's a political neutral, and I wish more leaders and more politicians would see that, that this is a neutral political situation.
00:30:14.600 We have to do the right thing for our agricultural sector, for humanity, and we got to start looking at how can we work together to mitigate this issue.
00:30:24.600 You're right, it's definitely nonpartisan, and I too wish more had spoken out, but to be honest, a lot have.
00:30:31.600 I know your MP, Scott Anderson, with the Conservatives, has gone to bat with you.
00:30:36.600 That last letter he put out was really telling.
00:30:39.600 And you're right, a lot of this doesn't make sense.
00:30:42.600 With the international pushback, some domestic pushback, the stuff behind it, and the fact that, although rare, the CFIA has granted, you know, sort of exemptions and allowed some things to slide.
00:30:58.600 You would think that your flock, considering it's not poultry and its purpose in science, would have been one of those exemptions, but here we are.
00:31:07.600 Now, in this time of something else that also doesn't make sense, whereas we've waited, you know, September 22nd was when the CFIA and the officers descended on your farm.
00:31:19.600 Since then, they've been there.
00:31:21.600 The CFIA has seized much of your property, your neighbor's property, and the herd, instead of just letting you care for them while we awaited this decision that's to come on Thursday.
00:31:32.600 You know what's really interesting there, Dorea, is September 22nd, we've received an email from Canadian Food Inspection Agency.
00:31:39.600 And it stated in there that they requested us to feed and water the animals to help them.
00:31:44.600 Now, when my mom and I got arrested, which they're trying to criminally charge us for, we were just doing that.
00:31:51.600 We were not impeding the officers, we were not blockading gates, we were not doing anything besides asking them to maintain feeding the animals, to keep them in a routine of calmness while their whole environment was about to change.
00:32:05.600 And then we got told we could feed, and then we were arrested.
00:32:09.600 What kind of Canada and what kind of country do we live in?
00:32:12.600 There was nothing wrong by us just wanting to maintain comfort and routine with our animals while their life was about to change.
00:32:20.600 And then we have to remember that that interim state order states very clearly that the Canadian Food Inspection Agency was to maintain custody.
00:32:27.600 Maintain custody is important because that remains status quo.
00:32:32.600 It didn't mean barbarically push all of our injured animals out of their injured pen into the general population, putting them under stress.
00:32:40.600 It didn't mean to change their environment.
00:32:42.600 It didn't mean to change their diet.
00:32:44.600 It didn't mean to not work with the farmers, us as the owners, while in custody of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency, the animals, to not listen to us about what they needed to be eating.
00:32:56.600 Our animals' health condition has been deteriorating ever since the 39 days or 40 days that they've had them.
00:33:04.600 And the only way we can contact and have contact with them is by email.
00:33:09.600 And you can imagine how frustrating that would be as a farm owner when there's decades of animals that have trusted you to care for them and protect them.
00:33:19.600 And they are not, you can't help them anymore.
00:33:23.600 All while we're just trying to go through the proper legal channels, we are doing everything right.
00:33:29.600 And again, we are mass killing is not working.
00:33:33.600 We need to stop, I think, reevaluate and discover new opportunities in which what we've been trying to offer here.
00:33:41.600 And that is just new opportunity to mitigate the risk of avian influenza.
00:33:45.600 Migratory birds are the ones that are passing it along and flying around.
00:33:51.600 It's not our ostriches.
00:33:53.600 Please remember, world, our ostriches, not one of those ostriches that are surviving out there, have ever been tested.
00:34:02.600 So, but then we heard from Canadian Food Inspection Agency that even if they all got tested, that, and they were negative, they have to be destroyed.
00:34:13.600 Nothing makes sense.
00:34:15.600 They have, they have, we're not on our farm from February 26 to September 22.
00:34:21.600 Yet they say we have the most virulent threat of avian influenza.
00:34:25.600 Again, doesn't make sense.
00:34:27.600 I've done a full interview with Dr. Pellick about that claim and why he believes scientifically it makes no sense.
00:34:33.600 We'll link that below as well.
00:34:35.600 It's on our website, safetyostriches.com.
00:34:37.600 But let's talk about during this time of separation.
00:34:40.600 One of the questions I get all the time is, Drea, the cow, they're disappearing.
00:34:44.600 They're killing them that night.
00:34:46.600 I've made it clear that I personally have not been able to really get my hands on anything beyond the photos that we see.
00:34:55.600 And, you know, that works as some sort of evidence, but it's not everything one would need to be able to do a count.
00:35:02.600 So I haven't really been able to give an answer to the public about that.
00:35:06.600 But why don't you tell us what your concerns are in that area?
00:35:10.600 The concerns are, is that we've spent decades with these animals and we know how many are out there.
00:35:17.600 You cannot, the visual number out there is diminished.
00:35:22.600 They are, you go out, they're not at the fences.
00:35:26.600 They're not there.
00:35:27.600 When Mike Rood, who's an amazing veteran who's been a supporter here, goes up the mountains and he takes great images from up high.
00:35:35.600 And we cannot count to even their number.
00:35:39.600 We can't count and get to their number.
00:35:41.600 And so you ask yourself, where are they going?
00:35:45.600 Why are Canadian Food Inspection Agency workers working at 2.30 to 4.30 in the morning at the back?
00:35:51.600 What are they doing besides what they should be doing?
00:35:55.600 Maintain custody, food, water, shelter and humane care, which we have seen visually by photographs and all that from supporters.
00:36:05.600 The humane care is not there.
00:36:07.600 They are neglecting the animals.
00:36:09.600 They are not caring for them like they should be.
00:36:12.600 And it is just not right.
00:36:14.600 And then what do you do when you can't call 9-1-1?
00:36:17.600 You know, they're already there.
00:36:19.600 They're there.
00:36:20.600 They're there.
00:36:21.600 Your head.
00:36:22.600 Yeah, it's definitely a tough situation that could be completely mitigated if you were allowed to care for your flock while we waited.
00:36:29.600 That's it.
00:36:31.600 Exactly.
00:36:32.600 Now, there was I should say the CFIA, of course, is disputing these claims.
00:36:36.600 They've come up with not one, but two counts where they keep saying the animals are between 3 and 3.30.
00:36:43.600 Of course, they claim they're taking care of the animals.
00:36:46.600 But we do know that at least one more hen appears to be injured.
00:36:51.600 And it seems not getting the care that that hen needs.
00:36:55.600 Tell us about that.
00:36:56.600 Just preface that.
00:36:57.600 One more hen in addition to Spirit, in case anybody doesn't know.
00:37:01.600 And Spirit, there was quite damning evidence that she was neglected to death and ended up dying of dehydration,
00:37:08.600 although the CFIA disputes that as well.
00:37:11.600 So tell us about this other hen who appeared to be injured.
00:37:14.600 Yeah, she is.
00:37:15.600 They were poking her with a long prod and they were pushing her and poking her so she would continue walking, but she could barely walk.
00:37:23.600 You know, we would have been out there treating her.
00:37:25.600 We would have been out there caring for her, making sure she was an enclosed barn and had hay and water.
00:37:30.600 And she would have, she'd be getting better by now.
00:37:34.600 We can't have a visual on her.
00:37:36.600 They won't answer us about her.
00:37:38.600 And we again, why can't we just be allowed in, even if we're not allowed our phone, just allow us in to assess her, care for her and come out.
00:37:50.600 That's all we're asking for while in their custody.
00:37:54.600 And again, that is part of the established humane care.
00:37:57.600 None of this makes sense and the world is watching.
00:38:02.600 I don't understand where we live in a world where there's cameras everywhere and RCMP have cameras, body cams to help be held accountable for their actions.
00:38:13.600 The Canadian food inspection agency operating with so much power and so life in their hands.
00:38:21.600 Why do they not have to do the same?
00:38:23.600 There should have, they should have some sort of level of protection to protect them on the way they handle people's animals, but they don't because they operate with excessive freedom and no accountability.
00:38:35.600 You're right.
00:38:36.600 There is no accountability.
00:38:37.600 I'm reminded of them blocking your cameras.
00:38:40.600 And when you said, you know, why can't you guys just go in and care for this bird?
00:38:44.600 I'm reminded of the last time where they did let Dave come in for a few minutes to look at the spirit before she died.
00:38:50.600 And it exposed their incompetence.
00:38:53.600 So there's been no other treatment to her.
00:38:56.600 Like she has access to water.
00:38:59.600 She has been drinking and she's had access to food and hay.
00:39:02.600 And where was she this morning?
00:39:03.600 The same spot.
00:39:04.600 She's been in this area moving around.
00:39:05.600 Yesterday she was here.
00:39:06.600 Yes.
00:39:07.600 Okay.
00:39:08.600 But if she was fed today, access to food and water.
00:39:09.600 She's got water there.
00:39:10.600 Zero food.
00:39:11.600 Right?
00:39:12.600 Dave, she just said that she was here when we were feeding.
00:39:13.600 And she's going to move over there since we've been fed her this morning.
00:39:14.600 Okay.
00:39:15.600 She was over there this morning.
00:39:16.600 Over there this morning.
00:39:17.600 Over there this morning.
00:39:18.600 So much to unpack there.
00:39:19.600 I'm preparing to come back down to expose what I hope is another miracle.
00:39:23.600 And if not to expose what the CFIA has been trying to get away with.
00:39:29.600 But why don't we end on some other things?
00:39:32.600 I'm preparing to come back down to expose what I hope is another miracle.
00:39:37.600 And if not to expose what the CFIA has been trying to get away with.
00:39:42.600 But why don't we end on some other heartbreaking news that you experienced today, I believe,
00:39:51.600 as we're filming this, which is Monday.
00:39:53.600 Yeah.
00:39:54.600 And that is the loss of a supporter who's been there a long time during the fight named Tom.
00:39:59.600 Yeah.
00:40:00.600 We lost a family member today.
00:40:03.600 And that's what's happened here, is in 11 months we've gained family.
00:40:09.600 Everybody who just wants a better Canada and wants to see life win.
00:40:15.600 And Tom was that.
00:40:17.600 He was courageous.
00:40:18.600 He was positive.
00:40:20.600 He was loving.
00:40:22.600 And he wanted to see these animals survive.
00:40:24.600 And he was here and he died on the farm.
00:40:28.600 And he was surrounded by his family because we were all there.
00:40:31.600 And that's what we're fighting for.
00:40:34.600 We're fighting for life versus death.
00:40:35.600 This is a spiritual war.
00:40:37.600 It's good versus evil.
00:40:39.600 And prayer.
00:40:40.600 We need the world to pray right now.
00:40:43.600 This is, I think, some of the most preyed upon land right now in the world.
00:40:48.600 And we need to continue to do that because when we pray, we bring hope.
00:40:52.600 And when we bring hope, we bring God.
00:40:54.600 And these animals need all the love and prayer that we can give them.
00:40:58.600 And we can try to set the stage right.
00:41:01.600 Because right now, Canadian Food Inspection Agency has eroded the trust in Canadians.
00:41:07.600 And they're actually putting humanity at risk right now more than ever.
00:41:11.600 Because if there was a true violent threat and farmers don't want to call it in because they are nervous about losing everything they have, then what happens if there is a real threat?
00:41:23.600 And we're not calling it in because there's an agency that's gone rogue with too much power.
00:41:28.600 So it was a hard day, but we're going to keep fighting for Tom.
00:41:32.600 And we know we gained another angel warrior up there.
00:41:35.600 And he's going to be fighting for those ostriches, I know, from another beautiful place.
00:41:40.600 So it was a hard day, but it reminded all of us how fragile life is.
00:41:45.600 And it also reminded us how lucky we are to have one another here fighting for something that we love.
00:41:51.600 Well, I had the pleasure of interacting with Tom a few times while I was there.
00:41:56.600 He was always a staple there.
00:41:58.600 We'll end this report, of course, in memory of him and a little bit of a clip of him dancing with the birds.
00:42:06.600 Thank you very much, Katie.
00:42:07.600 I'll be seeing you soon.
00:42:08.600 Thanks, Drea.
00:42:09.600 Thanks, Drea.
00:42:21.600 Let me know in the comments what you're thinking, how you're feeling about this decision coming down this Thursday.
00:42:27.600 And I will tell you mine when I get there on the ground.
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