Rebel News Podcast - October 07, 2023


EZRA LEVANT ｜ Now Justin Trudeau wants to control censorship through Artificial Intelligence

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censorship regulations Francois-Francois-Philippe Champagne AI mortgage censorship through AI laws firearm rights advocacy
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Justin Trudeau Michael Geist Tracy Wilson Bill C-63 Kane Francois-Philippe Champagne Ezra Levant Sheila Gunn-Reed Champagne Broke Natalie Provo Heidi Rathjen Danielle Smith Tamara Leach Helen Colgan Mohammed Danforth Pauliev Skylink Trump
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This week on The Ezra LeVant Show, host Ezra Levenant visits his alma mater, The Western Standard, to talk about censorship in Canada. He's joined by the editor of the now-defunct Western Standard and a former editor-in-chief of the magazine.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Today, I talk about a terrifying new prospect, Justin Trudeau,
00:00:03.720 wanting to use artificial intelligence to automatically censor comments on social media
00:00:09.800 and affect search rankings to hide things he doesn't like. I'll give you the facts as they
00:00:15.520 come out. Tonight, Justin Trudeau wants to control censorship through AI, artificial
00:00:25.300 intelligence. It's October 6th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:00:30.000 Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:00:44.300 I'm in Calgary today. I'm here to talk to, I suppose, my alma mater, the Western Standard, 0.54
00:00:50.900 a magazine I founded more than a decade ago. It was a print magazine. It shut down because,
00:00:56.580 you know, sending magazines by snail mail after printing them on paper, it just doesn't make
00:01:02.100 sense in 2023. It barely made sense when we did it. But of course, Western Standard is being reborn
00:01:08.120 online. I'm coming to speak to their staff with some sort of old war stories. I brought with me
00:01:13.200 some of the old paper versions. This doesn't look that exciting on the outside. The headline is
00:01:18.060 The Secret Lives of Lobbyists. But let me open it up and show you that on page 15 of this magazine
00:01:24.080 is the Danish cartoons of the Muslim prophet Mohammed drawing the line. Why are those who 0.99
00:01:30.620 claim to stand for press freedom sitting at the battle between the cartoonists and theocrats?
00:01:36.040 And as you can see, there's two, four, six, eight cartoons that were published in Denmark and led to
00:01:43.060 a cataclysm events, including riots in Nigeria that claimed over 200 lives a few months after these
00:01:50.180 were published. We also had a story here. I don't know if you can see it. An illustration from Persia
00:01:56.720 that depicts the Muslim prophet Mohammed. We included that to show that not all Muslims hold
00:02:02.440 that you can't depict their prophet. So we published that on the inside of this magazine,
00:02:07.960 just a two-page spread, nothing more. And my God, did that cause a conflagration? We were hauled before
00:02:14.860 the Alberta Human Rights Commission. That was a 900-day prosecution. I also recorded part of my
00:02:22.320 interrogation at the hands of the Alberta Human Rights Commission. I guess that was my foray into
00:02:26.420 video. Here's a video of how that looked when I was interrogated. I look a little
00:02:32.400 bit younger, a little bit thinner, and my hair was a little bit more lush. Take a look at an excerpt
00:02:37.620 of my interrogation at the hands of the Human Rights Commission.
00:02:43.440 And I always, in an investigation interview, I always ask people, even though they've been as
00:02:49.100 thorough as you have, in summary fashion, what was your intent and purpose of your article
00:02:54.960 with the cartoon illustrations published on February 27, 2006?
00:02:58.880 Why is that a relevant question?
00:03:05.100 Under section 3.1a, it talks about intention, purpose. We like to get some background as well.
00:03:15.100 Is it, you'd like to get some background, or does this determine anything? If, we publish what we
00:03:21.980 publish, the words in the picture speak for themselves, are you saying that one answer
00:03:27.200 is wrong and one answer is right?
00:03:30.200 No.
00:03:31.200 Will, if, will, will a certain answer, is a certain answer contrary to law?
00:03:35.600 No.
00:03:36.560 So, if I were to say, hypothetically, that the purpose was to, uh, instill hatred, incite hatred,
00:03:43.620 and, uh, cause offense, are you saying that's an acceptable answer?
00:03:48.840 I'd have to look at it in the context of all the information and determine if it was indeed.
00:03:53.880 I think you're playing silly-bundry here. I think you know that the answer here, uh, that
00:03:59.600 that answer would be illegal.
00:04:01.320 Anything is possible, I guess, but, again, I look at it, this kind of section 3 case takes a lot of analysis,
00:04:11.800 so there's a lot of things I have to look at. That piece of information is just one.
00:04:16.220 My answer to your question is as follows.
00:04:18.640 We published those cartoons for the intention and purpose of exercising our inalienable rights
00:04:32.060 as free-born Albertans to publish whatever the hell we want, no matter what the hell you think.
00:04:39.280 I've probably given 200 interviews with people other than the state
00:04:44.480 where I give a very thoughtful and nuanced expression of my intent.
00:04:48.960 But the only thing I have to say to the government about why I published it
00:04:52.740 is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:04:55.440 And it's my right to do so for reasonable intentions,
00:04:59.040 and it's my right to do so for extremely unreasonable purposes.
00:05:03.800 I refuse to concede to you that what my political thoughts in my mind are, or my heart are,
00:05:11.360 will determine whether or not an artifact is legal or illegal.
00:05:16.980 We publish that magazine. It speaks for itself.
00:05:21.220 The fact that you dare to ask a publisher in Canada,
00:05:25.160 in the name of the government, to ask a publisher in Canada what his political thoughts were,
00:05:30.900 is obvious that you're hunting for a thought crime.
00:05:34.380 And I am not going to answer you in a minimal way.
00:05:36.960 I'm not going to say, please, master, I was most reasonable, let me off the hook.
00:05:41.360 I publish those cartoons to use the maximum freedom allowed.
00:05:46.780 And so I state to you, I published it without reservation.
00:05:54.580 I published it in the most unreasonable manner.
00:05:57.980 Well, that was a lengthy battle and a difficult one.
00:06:00.900 And it was also the first time I started using various online tools like YouTube,
00:06:06.080 which was very new, and PayPal to help crowdfund my legal defense.
00:06:11.720 These were all new concepts back when it happens.
00:06:14.680 We did a follow-up story, which was much lengthier.
00:06:17.700 What were we thinking?
00:06:19.180 The story behind Canada's cartoon controversy. 0.98
00:06:21.560 And you can see a pamphlet there, a placard, exterminate those who slander Islam.
00:06:28.160 It was very challenging around the world for free speech.
00:06:31.360 And so many of the free speech champions on the left cowered or even became part of the censorship.
00:06:38.040 So I'm going to be telling that story to the Alberta report, sorry, the Western Standard folks here tonight.
00:06:44.280 That's just explaining why I'm on the street outside the bar where the staff are going to be having their dinner.
00:06:50.440 I'm the keynote speaker, I guess.
00:06:52.460 But I want to talk to you about censorship in 2023, not just censorship in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008.
00:07:00.020 I saw this today.
00:07:02.620 There's a news story by Michael Geist.
00:07:04.280 I mean, it's incredible to me the problems that Canada has right now.
00:07:08.660 Inflation, housing prices, the war in Ukraine is an important issue for some.
00:07:15.540 Trudeau cutting a billion dollars from our own defense, a related issue.
00:07:20.280 Not a day goes by where there isn't some actual problem that needs fixing.
00:07:24.740 And yet Trudeau has four bills that he has either passed or has introduced or is about to introduce on censorship.
00:07:32.780 Four, more than on any other subject, I can assure you.
00:07:35.620 I mean, things are falling apart between Canada and India, just as one huge crisis example.
00:07:42.960 But I saw this from Professor Michael Geist today, who's a very well-respected professor.
00:07:48.380 He's at the University of Ottawa, very nonpartisan.
00:07:50.960 And he's regarded as sort of an online legal expert.
00:07:54.960 He's a law professor.
00:07:56.420 And he had this terrifying story today about a form of censorship that Trudeau is looking to get into.
00:08:05.000 Let me read the headline.
00:08:06.680 Canada plans to regulate search and social media use of artificial intelligence for content moderation and discoverability.
00:08:16.900 That's the headline.
00:08:19.240 I'm terrified already, but let me read a little bit to you.
00:08:22.900 The Canadian government plans to regulate the use of artificial intelligence in search results and when used to prioritize the display of content on search engines and social media services.
00:08:33.240 So, the Canadian government is going to get involved with what news gets boosted and what news gets hidden when you do searches.
00:08:43.240 Trudeau is going to get involved and regulate that.
00:08:46.660 Gee, what do you think he's going to do?
00:08:48.500 Let me read a little bit more from Michael Geist's article.
00:08:50.640 The regulation plans are revealed in a letter from ISED Minister François-Philippe Champagne to the Industry Committee studying Bill C-27, the Privacy Reform and AI Regulation Bill.
00:09:04.660 The government is refusing to disclose the actual text of planned amendments to the bill.
00:09:08.880 What?
00:09:10.080 They're refusing to tell people what's going to be in the bill, that they might do it later?
00:09:15.360 I mean, I guess they would have to eventually, but they're keeping it a secret?
00:09:20.140 Does that build your confidence in what's going on?
00:09:23.080 This is terrifying.
00:09:23.780 It's a privacy bill that's designed to respect your rights, but they're keeping it a secret from you.
00:09:29.300 I should remind you that François-Philippe Champagne was a member of Trudeau's Inner Circle who got a mortgage from what bank?
00:09:38.540 There's so many banks in Canada.
00:09:39.800 There's not just the big banks, Royal Bank, TD Bank, Scotiabank, CIBC, but there's other smaller lenders.
00:09:45.820 Who did François-Philippe Champagne, the Liberal Cabinet Minister, who gave him his mortgage?
00:09:51.580 Do you remember that story?
00:09:53.600 The government bank from the People's Republic of China.
00:09:57.300 Who would go to the Communist Party's bank and borrow money from a foreign government for a mortgage and keep it when you become an MP and keep it when you become a cabinet minister?
00:10:12.680 Now I think I know where François-Philippe Champagne is getting his ideas for AI spying on people.
00:10:20.360 He is hand in glove with the Chinese Communist Party.
00:10:23.580 Anyhow, so let me get back to the article.
00:10:25.260 Well, Michael Geist outlines seven different things that AI will do that is being regulated.
00:10:31.940 Okay, some of the regulations are being modeled after the European Union.
00:10:35.960 Okay, I suppose, although they don't seem to love liberty as much over there.
00:10:40.180 But some are just terrifying.
00:10:41.620 Look at number six.
00:10:42.660 So imagine courts, instead of having juries and judges using AI to determine if you're guilty or innocent.
00:11:04.980 That's terrifying, and I don't want it to happen.
00:11:07.720 I don't know if Trudeau wants it to happen or not, but that is a terrifying possible use of AI.
00:11:14.680 But here's the part that Michael Geist is worried about.
00:11:17.640 And here's the part that Michael Geist, who knows these things, says is different from the European Union.
00:11:23.280 What I'm about to read is not being done in Europe, which is a pretty sensory kind of place.
00:11:28.860 It's certainly not being done in America.
00:11:31.280 According to Michael Geist, it's what's going on in China.
00:11:34.060 Let me read point four.
00:11:35.420 The use of an artificial intelligence system in matters relating to, A, the moderation of content that is found on an online communications platform, including a search engine and a social media service.
00:11:50.260 Or, B, the prioritization of presentation of such content.
00:11:56.620 So the first one is moderating comments.
00:11:58.940 Can you imagine an artificial intelligence system that searches maybe for words like Trump or Pauliev or Daniel Smith or Alberta or Freedom or Trucker Convoy or Tamara Leach or Rebel News?
00:12:13.420 Can you imagine an AI system, a hunter-killer system, not run by humans, run basically by Skylink or whatever it was called in the Terminator?
00:12:22.460 Can you imagine unleashing that on comments, on Facebook, on Twitter?
00:12:26.300 You wouldn't even know the censorship.
00:12:28.420 It would be done by AI.
00:12:30.600 But the second part is just as scary to me.
00:12:33.860 Search results.
00:12:35.160 If you typed in, give me the news on the Trucker Convoy, Rebel News would be hidden and the CBC News would be boosted.
00:12:41.980 That's what discoverability, the prioritization of the presentation of such content.
00:12:47.900 When you type in something in Google or Facebook, the algorithm chooses what's first, second, third, fourth, whatever.
00:12:53.900 There's already political bias in those systems.
00:12:56.360 Trudeau wants to be able to regulate that through AI.
00:13:00.640 Now, that's something I've warned about before.
00:13:03.260 In C11, Section 9.11E, as you recall, gives Trudeau the power through the CRTC to alter the discoverability algorithm for YouTube and other broadcasters.
00:13:15.300 But this would be for everything, AI for everything.
00:13:20.140 Here's Michael Geist on this bill.
00:13:22.280 It's called C27.
00:13:23.280 I want to read you.
00:13:24.660 I was not aware of this bill.
00:13:26.620 I mean, there's so many things going on.
00:13:27.900 There's only so much you can be aware of.
00:13:29.480 But this bill was introduced about a year ago.
00:13:31.320 It's called Bill C27.
00:13:33.240 Geist talked about it about a week ago before this AI stuff was cleared to me.
00:13:38.300 Let me just show you how Francois-Philippe Champagne introduced this bill to Parliament because, again, this is how they do it in China's fake Parliament. 0.99
00:13:48.400 Well, that's how Trudeau and his cabinet do it in Canada's Parliament.
00:13:52.500 The headline Geist gives it is,
00:13:54.440 Why Industry Minister Champagne Broke the C27 Hearings on Privacy and AI Regulation in Only 12 Minutes.
00:14:00.840 Okay, I'm going to read actually a long paragraph here, but you've just got to hear it.
00:14:06.160 It's just classic.
00:14:06.980 And, again, Michael Geist is not a conservative.
00:14:09.220 He's not a rebel.
00:14:10.340 He's not a radical.
00:14:11.680 He is the most establishment law professor expert around, but he just can't believe what he's seeing.
00:14:16.820 Let me read.
00:14:18.780 More than a year after Bill C27 was first introduced,
00:14:21.720 the Standing Committee on Industry, Science, and Technology finally launched its review of the bill yesterday
00:14:26.040 with an opening appearance from Minister Francois-Philippe Champagne.
00:14:29.800 Okay, the delays in Bill C27 reflect significant concern with both the effectiveness of the privacy provisions
00:14:38.000 and the inclusion of an AI bill that is widely viewed as inadequate.
00:14:43.600 Okay, so we don't really know where this is going yet, but I'll keep going.
00:14:46.980 Champagne started with a 12-minute opening statement in which he assured committee members that he had heard the criticisms
00:14:51.800 and that the government had a wide range of amendments planned to address the concerns.
00:14:56.100 Okay, sounds good.
00:14:57.380 While many of the potential amendments sound quite positive, once MP questions commenced,
00:15:03.480 it became clear that the department had yet to actually draft them
00:15:07.500 and has no plans to provide the actual text until the committee starts clause-by-clause review of the bill.
00:15:14.160 In other words, the government has decided how it wants to change Bill C27
00:15:18.980 before a single external witness appears before committee,
00:15:22.620 but it will only release the actual amendments after the witness portion of the committee study is over.
00:15:28.300 The end result is that Champagne broke the hearings before they had really begun,
00:15:32.840 with dozens of witnesses ready to testify about a bill that the government plans to change
00:15:37.120 but won't provide legislative language.
00:15:40.260 That's secret changes to a privacy and AI bill.
00:15:44.300 That does sound exactly like China.
00:15:48.280 Let me end as I began.
00:15:49.900 Well, I suppose I began talking about censorship of the Danish cartoons back in 2005, 2006.
00:15:57.280 That seems like an eternity ago.
00:15:59.260 We didn't even have smartphones.
00:16:01.000 They weren't even around back then.
00:16:02.080 Like I say, Facebook, I don't even think Facebook or Twitter were around.
00:16:06.380 YouTube was just barely.
00:16:08.640 Well, we're so far down that road,
00:16:10.180 and now censorship isn't done through riots in the streets or threats to cartoonists
00:16:14.360 or even by governments through human rights commissions.
00:16:17.800 Why would they do that where I could film a goofy interrogator and embarrass a government agent?
00:16:24.120 Why would they have humans involved at all?
00:16:26.900 Why not just train up the artificial intelligence to silence people immediately?
00:16:31.400 And by the way, you wouldn't even know if you're being silenced.
00:16:34.660 As the last owners of Twitter said, freedom of speech, not freedom of reach.
00:16:38.780 That was their goofy way of saying, sure, you can say whatever you want in Twitter,
00:16:42.760 but we will simply make it that no one will be able to find your tweets.
00:16:46.300 So yeah, tweet away.
00:16:47.880 Get it all out of your system.
00:16:49.320 Vent.
00:16:49.940 But it will not be seen by anyone.
00:16:51.580 That is the approach that it sounds like Trudeau and Champagne want to take with AI.
00:16:56.260 They want to have censorship built in, hardwired into every computer system in Canada.
00:17:04.760 So if you say anything that is too rebellious, too conservative, too anti-Trudeau, too freedom-oriented,
00:17:11.620 it'll be censored automatically by machines.
00:17:14.340 There won't be a hearing.
00:17:15.800 There won't be a complaint.
00:17:16.940 There won't be an interrogation.
00:17:18.320 It'll just happen in real time.
00:17:21.040 And when the cabinet minister has asked questions about it, he says any amendments will be secret.
00:17:27.920 By my count, that is five laws that Trudeau has introduced or is about to introduce that are designed to censor you and me.
00:17:36.840 Trudeau doesn't have five laws on any other subject in the world.
00:17:41.100 He truly is an authoritarian.
00:17:43.720 I promise you we'll keep an eye on this.
00:17:46.120 They'll be keeping an eye on all of us.
00:17:48.600 But we'll fight back if we can.
00:17:50.040 Stay with us.
00:17:51.940 More ahead.
00:17:56.700 I bet you were expecting to see Ezra Levant coming out of the break, but no.
00:18:04.760 It's me, Sheila Gunn-Reed.
00:18:06.180 Ezra's on special assignment today.
00:18:07.720 And I thought that I would take the lead on the guest segment of the show because it is a cause that is very near and dear to my heart.
00:18:15.720 And that is gun rights, which are human rights and women's rights. 0.94
00:18:20.740 And I thought I would be joined by my friend Tracy Wilson of the Canadian Coalition for Firearms Rights.
00:18:27.780 Tracy, I wanted to have, by the way, thanks for coming on the show.
00:18:31.080 Hey, thanks for having me.
00:18:32.140 I wanted to have you on the show because of this wild article I read in the National Post.
00:18:37.780 And it confirms a lot of things that I think we all know about Justin Trudeau and that he will just legislate. 0.96
00:18:46.280 And because he panicked because some people said some critical things of him on social media and evidence be damned, outcome be damned, human rights be damned. 0.89
00:18:59.360 He'll just change things because his friends complained at him. 0.88
00:19:03.080 And that seems to be the case with this wild story about a disinvitation from the headline is from Ecole Polytechnic Group, which sent Trudeau government into damage control mode.
00:19:19.080 And these are exclusive emails obtained.
00:19:21.280 And the Trudeau government adjusted its gun buyback policy so that it's involuntary gun buyback.
00:19:28.520 And I hate that phrase because you're not buying back anything.
00:19:32.400 You're confiscating something and maybe compensating me for it.
00:19:36.040 It became mandatory because Polly Souviant demanded that it be mandatory. 0.98
00:19:45.680 And so hundreds of thousands of Canadian gun owners who have done nothing wrong, minding their own business, followed all the rules, jumped through all the hoops.
00:19:54.520 All these people had to do was complain at Justin Trudeau.
00:19:58.340 And all of a sudden, the buyback buyback program became mandatory.
00:20:04.260 Yeah, well, this is interesting.
00:20:05.780 And this is something I remember when this happened.
00:20:07.940 And as you know, and I'm sure most people listening know, 33 years ago, there was a horrific attack on women at the Ecole Polytechnique.
00:20:19.400 14 women were slaughtered.
00:20:21.060 And it's one of Canada's darkest days, without doubt.
00:20:24.460 And I don't think anybody disagrees with that.
00:20:26.680 And there was a group that was born out of that, Polly Souviant, whose mission since then has been to eradicate civilian firearm ownership.
00:20:36.600 So they have a memorial every year, and it's like been going over three decades, right?
00:20:42.620 So they have a big memorial every year, and it's televised, you know, full red carpet, full press by the mainstream media.
00:20:50.780 You know, it's the red carpet is rolled out on this event.
00:20:55.660 And Justin Trudeau takes this opportunity to play up to his audience, you know, that he's the feminist prime minister and whatever.
00:21:04.060 It plays really well to the cameras, right?
00:21:05.580 So every year he goes to this memorial, and of course, it's a great photo op for him.
00:21:12.620 That's exactly what it is.
00:21:14.280 It's politicking.
00:21:15.620 So they were unhappy that his attacks on law-abiding gun owners weren't going quite far enough.
00:21:21.960 You know, it's not enough to ban our guns.
00:21:23.760 It's not enough to prevent us from purchasing new ones.
00:21:26.780 It's not enough to destroy our community.
00:21:29.120 They also want our doors kicked in and our property confiscated.
00:21:32.080 So they did, it was like a public, like a publicity stunt is what I would call it, where they disinvited him.
00:21:41.940 And they said, you are no longer welcome to attend our memorial unless you go all the way with these gun owners and have their doors kicked in and have their stuff confiscated from them by force.
00:21:52.580 So, sure enough, the, you know, the policy was very easily altered to fix this.
00:22:00.140 And I think this is, speaks to the way they govern.
00:22:03.660 They govern by polling.
00:22:04.800 They govern, you know, it doesn't matter about evidence or outcomes or what's fair or what's right or just in this country.
00:22:11.460 It matters how he looks and what he can use for political expediency.
00:22:16.400 And unfortunately, gun owners have felt the brunt of that for eight long years.
00:22:19.880 Now, I want to ask you, how big is Polly? 1.00
00:22:25.320 Like, where is it in the grand scheme of things as a lobby group?
00:22:29.200 Because you speak for hundreds of thousands of Canadian gun owners.
00:22:37.000 By the numbers, sports shooting, hunting, the shooting sports is our national sport.
00:22:43.100 More people are engaged in that than they are in organized hockey.
00:22:47.460 It just is.
00:22:48.180 We're quiet about it.
00:22:49.900 Why?
00:22:50.440 Because they come along and confiscate our guns.
00:22:54.360 But so how big is Polly, this group that with one cranky tantrum can, you know, basically cause Justin Trudeau to do reactionary legislation?
00:23:08.140 How big are they?
00:23:09.480 Well, they're not very big, actually.
00:23:11.640 In fact, they, you know, consist of some survivors.
00:23:17.560 Natalie Provost is part of that group.
00:23:19.160 She's one of the spokespeople.
00:23:20.820 And, you know, she's a legitimate victim of that horrific crime on that awful day.
00:23:26.860 She was shot four times and survived.
00:23:28.520 So, and then you've got Heidi Rathjen is another spokesperson. 0.99
00:23:33.040 She was on campus that day, but nowhere near what happened.
00:23:36.280 So she's not considered a victim or a survivor of this.
00:23:39.620 I guess you would consider her maybe some sort of witness or whatever.
00:23:43.640 But what happens is they are very coordinated and very organized.
00:23:49.160 They work very closely with the Coalition for Gun Control.
00:23:52.960 And then, of course, out of, you know, there hasn't been a lot of big shootings in Canada, but there have been a few.
00:23:59.280 And every time there is one, whether it was committed by a licensed gun owner or not, they recruit them into their group.
00:24:05.700 So you've got the Danforth Families for Safe Communities, which, of course, was born out of the Danforth shooting, a crime committed by a madman with an illegal gun sourced through his gang-affiliated brother.
00:24:20.180 You know, you've got the mosque shooting.
00:24:22.540 So they've sort of all collected under one umbrella.
00:24:24.840 But the reason why they're so particularly powerful is because it's got that feminist aspect to it, because this horrific shooting targeted women in particular. 0.99
00:24:38.900 And so that's sort of been, you know, December 6th has been sort of memorialized as this day, you know, to fight against violence against women, which I support.
00:24:49.920 I also want safer communities for women everywhere, right? 0.97
00:24:54.840 Yeah, we just have a different solution.
00:24:57.640 Well, yeah.
00:24:58.760 Yeah.
00:24:59.200 And they don't, interestingly enough, there was a CBC article about, oh, I don't know, maybe 15 years ago.
00:25:05.820 And they spoke to the family member of Helen Colgan.
00:25:10.360 She was one of the 14 women who were massacred that day.
00:25:14.200 And she herself was quite a gunny. 0.98
00:25:16.400 In fact, her brother was a former director for one of the other national Canadian firearm advocacy organizations.
00:25:23.400 So, you know, it's interesting because he had an interview with CBC and he said, my sister would be rolling in her grave knowing that they are using her legacy to push for attacks on the very people that were part of her community.
00:25:38.240 But, you know, you don't get airtime on things like that.
00:25:41.920 So, unfortunately, it's taken what was a horrific tragedy and something that we can learn from and move forward from, you know, and try to protect women and turned it into this political football where, you know, both sides, I think, are disingenuous.
00:25:59.060 You know, he'll do anything to get his invite to go to the memorial and they will use that memorial and the memory of those women to force him to do political things.
00:26:09.120 So, yeah, it's not something I would be capable of doing, but we're not the same.
00:26:15.860 We're not the same, but it's Justin Trudeau.
00:26:18.500 And, you know, he wants to be the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral.
00:26:23.240 You see him, you know, turn up at, you know, residential schools and take a knee and then he goes surfing on Truth and Reconciliation Day.
00:26:33.180 Everything is a photo op.
00:26:35.300 And I think Pauly knew how important a photo op is to Justin Trudeau.
00:26:41.520 And that's how they were able to manipulate one of the most feeble-minded, powerful men in the Western world. 0.98
00:26:49.160 I wanted to ask you, going forward, where are we at on the latest gun grabs?
00:26:56.740 Where are we at on the so-called buyback?
00:27:00.120 Well, funny enough that you mentioned that.
00:27:01.960 So the gun ban that this whole thing is referring to is, of course, the May 2020 Ordering Council gun ban that's happened three and a half years ago.
00:27:13.460 However, not a single gun has been confiscated by this government.
00:27:18.280 There is no buyback program.
00:27:19.760 There is no confiscation program, even with a willing participant in the retailers.
00:27:26.340 So gun stores who are stuck with unsellable inventory through no fault of their own are willing to participate.
00:27:32.260 Like, yes, we've paid for this inventory three and a half years ago or further back.
00:27:36.940 We're not able to sell it.
00:27:38.460 We're paying for storage.
00:27:39.660 We're paying for insurance.
00:27:41.340 We just want to move on and try and salvage our businesses, right?
00:27:45.060 Willing participants don't even have a program with a lobby group that has signed an agreement with the government to perform that.
00:27:52.420 So we, as you know, we filed a federal court challenge very quickly after this ban was announced back in 2020.
00:28:01.320 It's been moving up the speed of justice.
00:28:04.640 And we did have an eight-day hearing in the federal court here in Ottawa back in April.
00:28:10.520 And Justice Kane actually came forward at a recent case management conference and said she will have her decision on that by the end of the month, which is interesting timing because there's an amnesty right now that protects gun owners who own these firearms, who bought them in good faith and bought them legally, have used them for decades without issue and use them safely.
00:28:32.480 are protected from criminality, which the charge would be possession of a prohibited device, which carries with it a 10-year minimum mandatory prison sentence, right?
00:28:43.640 So you and I are protected from that amnesty, but it runs out at the end of the month.
00:28:48.920 The government has already once before extended that amnesty.
00:28:52.640 The new public safety minister has made no indication that he intends to do so.
00:28:58.700 And of course, we're not so silly as to put the freedom and future of Canadian gun owners in the hands of the Liberals.
00:29:05.480 So we filed an injunction application in the federal court to force them to extend that amnesty.
00:29:12.540 Now everything's, you know, we've got a bunch of dates to file affidavits and cross-examinations and memorandums of fact.
00:29:19.340 We will have a hearing on that injunction application to extend the amnesty on the 25th of October.
00:29:27.100 So it's cutting it pretty close, you know, should the government not voluntarily do it by then.
00:29:33.260 But, you know, at the end of the day, we should have a decision out of Justice Kane by the end of the month.
00:29:38.560 So I guess we will find out where we stand for the CCFR, regardless of whether we win or not.
00:29:46.220 If we don't win, we'll be appealing.
00:29:47.860 And if we do win, I'm sure the government will be appealing.
00:29:51.260 However, it would give them the perfect doubt.
00:29:53.080 It is an impossible task that they've committed to doing.
00:29:57.180 And I think, you know, it would be very Justin Trudeau for him to say, look, we tried to ban these guns.
00:30:04.960 We lost in court.
00:30:06.200 If you re-elect us again, we'll do it right this time and do it through legislation and just reuse it, like recycle it as yet another election promise, right?
00:30:16.260 It's all political anyways.
00:30:17.700 So, yeah.
00:30:19.340 So that's kind of where we stand.
00:30:20.720 By the end of October, there's all kinds of things will be happening.
00:30:24.160 We will either win an injunction to extend that amnesty and protect gun owners or it will run out and we will all be exposed to criminality.
00:30:32.920 And hopefully, Justice Kane does come through with that decision by the end of the month.
00:30:37.520 And maybe we won't need that injunction because maybe we'll win and the OIC will be nullified and we'll head to the range.
00:30:45.400 So, very exciting month.
00:30:46.820 A lot will be.
00:30:48.740 Yes, please.
00:30:49.800 But we'll see.
00:30:50.940 Either way, it doesn't matter.
00:30:52.480 If we lose, we have no intention of stopping now.
00:30:55.120 So, we're committed to taking it all the way.
00:30:58.280 And at the end of the day, my message to gun owners out there everywhere is you've done nothing to deserve this and this government won't be in power forever. 0.53
00:31:06.480 So, you know, either way, there will be a shinier day coming, but it just may not be yet.
00:31:12.840 Now, Tracy, how do people help the CCFR as they fight for gun owners like me, like you've done absolutely nothing wrong, who just want to hang on to their family heirlooms, in my case, and in the case of so many people across the country?
00:31:29.840 How do people support the work that you do at the CCFR?
00:31:33.800 Yeah.
00:31:34.540 So, you can find us at firearmrights.ca or ccfr.ca.
00:31:39.140 Either one will take you to the same place.
00:31:40.780 There's all kinds of good information there.
00:31:43.020 You can get a membership.
00:31:44.440 You can donate.
00:31:45.080 All of those things help.
00:31:46.720 But to be perfectly honest, the very best thing people can do right now is to write to your senators.
00:31:52.320 We've got Bill C-21 being studied at committee in the Senate.
00:31:57.580 Follow us on social media and sign up for our newsletter.
00:32:00.640 We put out instructions on how to work on that.
00:32:03.080 But just stay involved and never think that your voice doesn't matter because it does.
00:32:09.520 And I know we're sick of writing letters and sick of doing all this stuff.
00:32:13.320 But your silence is looked at as, you know, that you agree.
00:32:18.700 So, you have to oppose it in every way possible.
00:32:21.620 So, yeah, visit us at firearmrights.ca.
00:32:24.460 Everything you need to stand up for yourself is there.
00:32:28.020 And we're here to support you.
00:32:29.920 And some of the best merch in all of firearms rights.
00:32:35.000 I love it.
00:32:35.660 It's great.
00:32:36.080 Yeah, I've got a whole new line coming out, actually, November 1st.
00:32:39.100 So, you'll get first crack at it because I'm going to send you a box.
00:32:44.860 Perfect.
00:32:45.460 And just in time for Christmas.
00:32:47.140 Yes, exactly.
00:32:48.140 Look at you, you marketing wizard.
00:32:51.540 Tracy, thanks so much.
00:32:52.580 Got to fund the fight, right?
00:32:54.180 That's right.
00:32:55.080 And you got to wear your colors with pride.
00:32:57.820 I love seeing those little CCFR stickers on the pickup trucks on the highway.
00:33:02.180 Me too.
00:33:02.540 I love it.
00:33:03.000 It's like a little secret wink.
00:33:04.220 Like, we're all in the same club.
00:33:05.900 Yeah.
00:33:06.000 Yeah, we are in the same club.
00:33:07.720 That's right.
00:33:08.680 Tracy, thanks so much for coming on the show.
00:33:10.440 Thanks so much for the advocacy you do for law-abiding Canadians to take the government to task for their bad decisions.
00:33:17.880 And we'll have you back on again very soon.
00:33:20.820 Awesome.
00:33:21.240 We'll keep at it.
00:33:22.000 And thanks for the opportunity.
00:33:23.120 Great to see you.
00:33:32.680 Well, that's our show for the day.
00:33:34.060 Now I'm going to go in and talk cartoons with the old Western Standard Gang.
00:33:37.420 Until next time, on behalf of all of us at Rebel World Headquarters, we're actually on the streets in Calgary, to you at home, good night.
00:33:44.460 And keep fighting for freedom while you still can.
00:33:53.800 That's our show.
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