Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Ontario had its election debate, but what was the difference among the candidates？

00:00:00.420 Hello, my Rebels. Today, I'm going to take you through last night's Ontario provincial election debate.

00:00:07.460 It was a terrible debate, but I think it was destined to be that way because the conservative parties were banned from debating and conservative journalists were limited in asking questions.

00:00:21.100 I think it was very broken. I'll take you through it. That's ahead. But before I do, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus.

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00:00:56.040 Tonight, Ontario has its election debate, but really, what was the difference amongst the candidates?

00:01:13.040 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:20.720 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:25.060 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:36.360 Well, I don't know who amongst you watched the live stream last night.

00:01:40.820 Sheila Gunn-Reed and myself co-anchored what was a four-hour broadcast built around the Ontario provincial election and their leaders debate.

00:01:51.500 I tell you, four hours was long to begin with, but it felt more like four days.

00:01:56.240 It was excruciating.

00:01:57.640 I can only imagine what Sheila went through. 0.91

00:01:59.940 She doesn't even live in Ontario.

00:02:01.760 She was helping me cover it, but it must have been twice as awful for her.

00:02:05.740 It was run by two government journalists, so it's what you would expect.

00:02:14.060 Steve Pakin was one of the co-hosts.

00:02:16.580 He's a pretty effective moderator, but it is a fact that he works for Ontario's provincial state broadcaster called TVO or TV Ontario.

00:02:27.640 It's owned by the government, and it shows.

00:02:30.780 Steve was co-hosting, along with Althea Raj, who not only works for the CBC, but she was Justin Trudeau's official biographer.

00:02:41.120 So that sort of tells you what the night was like right there.

00:02:45.360 The rules were rigged from the very beginning in two ways.

00:02:50.160 The rules were rigged to keep out the small conservative parties that have popped up in Ontario.

00:02:56.360 Derek Sloan, the former conservative MP, now runs the Ontario Party, and Jim Carahelios now runs the New Blue Party.

00:03:07.080 They're both running a full slate of candidates, and both of them actually have a sitting member of the legislature.

00:03:14.920 In the case of the New Blue Party, it's Belinda Carahelios.

00:03:20.040 She's a sitting MPP.

00:03:21.220 In the case of the Ontario Party, it's Mr. Nichols, both of whom were at odds with Doug Ford.

00:03:29.780 So over the lockdowns, you would think that the fact that they opposed Doug Ford and left the party would give them even more standing, even more interest.

00:03:40.620 But alas, they were ruled ineligible for this debate.

00:03:45.080 The rules were rigged.

00:03:46.260 You had to run a full slate of candidates and have a member of the legislature, the provincial parliament, but they had to be elected under that party banner.

00:03:57.160 Why that arbitrary rule?

00:03:59.380 And they didn't even keep the rule.

00:04:01.240 The Liberal Party, which is obviously a significant party in Ontario's history and has a number of MPPs that were elected under that party banner, were not running a full slate.

00:04:11.640 When they realized that, they changed the rules to let the Liberals in.

00:04:15.360 It would be absurd not to let them in.

00:04:17.600 But they so obviously cooked the books and rigged the rules so that the small party called the Green Party, with a single MP that got less than 5% in the last election,

00:04:31.840 he was considered a major party candidate, according to the CBC, but two conservative-leaning small parties, the Green Parties of the right, if you wish,

00:04:43.120 who were running full slates like the Green Party, who had a member of the provincial parliament like the Green Party,

00:04:48.740 they were called fringe and not allowed in.

00:04:51.420 If they just had the three big parties, the Conservatives, the Liberals, and the New Democrats, you could understand the thinking of it.

00:04:58.820 If they had those big three and the three small opposition parties, it would make sense.

00:05:04.240 But how can you rig the rules to keep just the conservative little parties out and let in the Green little party?

00:05:11.980 Well, it's pretty obvious.

00:05:13.800 And they did the same on the media side.

00:05:16.360 This was run, as I said, by the state broadcaster of Ontario in partnership with the state broadcaster of Canada.

00:05:25.140 There were a couple of other media party co-producers of the event they called the Consortium.

00:05:31.520 Now, they did let Rebel News in the building.

00:05:34.800 We had two reporters inside.

00:05:36.460 We had two reporters outside.

00:05:37.800 So they did let us in.

00:05:38.960 But they had another made-up rule that they would let their own journalists ask all their questions to their heart's content first.

00:05:48.900 And only once the government journalists were done would they allow questions from independent journalists.

00:05:55.820 So we weren't banned from the event like Trudeau has tried to ban us.

00:05:59.480 But just like they rigged the rules in favor of their parties of the left, they rigged the rules in terms of the journalists of the left.

00:06:09.480 And what this did is it ensured it wasn't really a debate after all.

00:06:15.320 It was just a series of agreements.

00:06:18.520 They were in violent agreement with each other.

00:06:20.960 There really was so little disagreement.

00:06:23.840 For example, what's the largest story of the past two years?

00:06:28.500 Well, obviously, it's the lockdowns, the torching of civil liberties, the way we segregated people in society based on vaccine status.

00:06:38.500 So much of this debate was a review the last two years.

00:06:40.960 That just never came up.

00:06:43.440 Just never.

00:06:44.920 Not from the politicians in the debate, not from the two journalists moderating the debate, and not afterwards with that hand-curated list of media party.

00:06:54.180 There just was nobody in the media or the politicians challenging the lockdowns.

00:07:00.660 There was one mention by Stephen Del Duca, the liberal leader, criticizing Doug Ford for carding people who were just out on the street or on playgrounds.

00:07:11.940 Carding is a term that's used for when police pull people over for no probable cause.

00:07:16.360 Just pull them over.

00:07:17.180 Ask them questions, ask the CID.

00:07:20.400 Its critics often say it's used to racially profile people.

00:07:24.280 If you see a young black man walking down the street, go card him when he's doing nothing wrong. 1.00

00:07:29.120 Doug Ford actually wanted every single citizen in Ontario to be carded by police just for walking on the streets.

00:07:36.740 It was an outrageous idea.

00:07:38.160 And it was actually the only moment during the entire pandemic where police stood for civil liberties.

00:07:43.700 And many police chiefs announced that they would refuse to engage in that police state conduct.

00:07:49.680 Here, watch that clip.

00:07:51.020 There was a criticism there.

00:07:52.060 Look, there's no doubt in my mind the people of Ontario have an exceptional capacity to rise to the occasion of a challenge.

00:07:58.500 But I want to understand better.

00:08:00.220 I think people at home do as well.

00:08:01.480 Why, when the science table told you in February 2021 to not reopen so rapidly, why did you choose to do so?

00:08:08.460 And then, then, why did you tell little kids like my own daughters that they couldn't go to playgrounds and that police should have more power to card, trample on charter rights indiscriminately?

00:08:18.000 Why was that your solution in the midst of that moment of crisis?

00:08:21.060 Why?

00:08:21.720 Why then?

00:08:22.280 You know, Mr. Del Duca, as I said earlier on, folks, was everything perfect?

00:08:27.240 No, it wasn't perfect.

00:08:28.060 But if there was an issue, I'll get it up there.

00:08:30.440 I made the change.

00:08:31.180 I apologize.

00:08:32.040 But let's just talk about that for a minute, Mr. Del Duca.

00:08:36.000 For two and a half years, literally 24-7, I was working on this pandemic.

00:08:41.580 It's easy to sit back from the sidelines when you didn't have to make the tough decisions that I had to make and criticize.

00:08:49.100 You have the easiest job if you just sit there and criticize.

00:08:51.740 Mr. Ford, respectfully, Mr. Ford, respectfully, this is the job that you signed up for four years ago.

00:08:57.860 You asked for people to support you four years ago.

00:09:00.940 You ran to be premier.

00:09:02.020 You must accept responsibility.

00:09:03.740 Very good.

00:09:04.280 You've both made your points.

00:09:06.080 You've both made your points.

00:09:08.600 That was the only mention of civil liberties the entire night.

00:09:12.240 And, of course, it's a bit laughable because that man, Stephen Del Duca, the liberal leader there, during the entire lockdown did not object to any other violations of civil liberties, including much worse violations of civil liberties.

00:09:26.020 The forced vaccines, the lose your job if you don't get jabbed, the banishment from the streets and schools and universities of anyone who's not jabbed, violations of civil liberties and privacy, heretofore unthinkable.

00:09:40.220 The liberals weren't upset with any of those.

00:09:42.200 In fact, they often lobbied to have Rob Ford crack down harder.

00:09:46.220 It's a laugh when Ford said he was working 24-7.

00:09:49.800 We simply know that's not true.

00:09:51.120 In fact, he often got out of Toronto and he went to the family cottage where he could have a more normal life away from the prying cameras.

00:09:59.280 Doug Ford, like every other politician in Canada, worked half as much during the lockdown.

00:10:04.780 They certainly took all their pay.

00:10:06.140 It's laughable, but that is the only moment where civil liberties were mentioned.

00:10:11.540 You would think that one of the journalists would pick that up either during the debate or afterwards, but none did.

00:10:18.000 They simply didn't care.

00:10:19.140 They were far more interested in their own agenda.

00:10:23.280 And I just knew it would come up, and it did.

00:10:26.680 Here's Steve Paikin, the government journalist for TVO, saying that in his mind, the existential question for our country right now is not inflation.

00:10:37.440 It's not housing prices.

00:10:38.920 It's not civil liberties in the age of a pandemic.

00:10:42.180 It's none of that.

00:10:44.120 The existential question, the government broadcaster said, was global warming.

00:10:49.300 Take a look.

00:10:49.780 I'm going to suggest the following question to kick off this five-minute debate period, which is leadership also means leading on the most existential issue of our time, which is climate change.

00:10:59.140 Now, you live a normal life.

00:11:00.900 You talk to normal people.

00:11:01.980 You go around.

00:11:02.740 You travel around.

00:11:03.440 You talk to friends and family.

00:11:04.600 But you probably talk to other people you don't know.

00:11:08.080 Is there anyone in your circle?

00:11:10.780 Is there any shopkeeper, cab driver, shoe shiner, restaurant waiter, waitress?

00:11:15.800 Is there any real human you know outside of the political media industrial complex who talks about global warming?

00:11:23.680 In fact, it's a very cool spring in Canada.

00:11:27.060 I don't think I've heard a single normal person talk about it.

00:11:31.140 Imagine, again, just coming out of the pandemic in atrocious inflation.

00:11:35.760 I mean, it's not a provincial matter, but other issues include Ukraine, supply chains, price of gas, carbon tax.

00:11:42.980 Could you imagine saying that global warming is the existential issue and making that the central question of the debate?

00:11:52.440 No wonder they wanted the Green Party leader.

00:11:54.380 And he would talk about that instead of boring things like civil liberties.

00:11:58.660 Well, the Green Party leader, who I had frankly never heard of before last night, said that not only is green ideas a crisis,

00:12:08.420 we have to get ready for the next society-wide crisis, which he announced in advance very helpfully, would be about climate.

00:12:16.700 Here he is saying, get ready for the next climate crisis.

00:12:20.120 We've had our practice with the COVID crisis.

00:12:23.140 Now let's do it all over again for climate.

00:12:24.860 We need to make sure that we're adequately prepared for the next crisis, whether that crisis is a pandemic, whether it's the climate emergency, whether it's some unknown crisis that's bearing down on us.

00:12:39.100 And that means investing in people, making sure our care providers are adequately and fairly compensated.

00:12:46.960 It's making sure that the most vulnerable are protected.

00:12:50.200 You know what, it made me pine for the conservative party leadership debate of just a week ago, where the questions were too brief, where candidates were interrupted by Tom Clark, where there were weird gimmicks like ping pong paddles and that sad trombone, wah, wah, wah, wah sound.

00:13:06.760 It was a clown show.

00:13:08.040 It was a circus.

00:13:08.680 It was a gimmick with Tom Clark.

00:13:09.760 But frankly, after three hours of listening to the droning on of the think-a-likes, really the differences and the distinctions amongst these candidates was minuscule.

00:13:19.020 I started to pine for that conservative debate.

00:13:23.560 After the two government journalists got done, there was these scrums.

00:13:29.440 And like I say, the rebel news journalists were not allowed to ask questions first.

00:13:34.160 We had to stand back while the government journalists were permitted first questions.

00:13:38.300 We did get a few questions in, and I'm glad we did.

00:13:40.620 But again, it was so odd to me to observe just the chumminess, the allegiances amongst all the government journalists and between the government journalists and the politicians.

00:13:54.600 The first name basis, the casualness of it all, they're all friends.

00:13:59.860 There were no aggressive questions, not even for Doug Ford.

00:14:02.840 There were no aggressive questions.

00:14:04.860 It was all, how do you feel, and just trading softballs back and forth.

00:14:12.240 The first name basis, I think, was these people are a clique.

00:14:17.040 It's them, not versus each other.

00:14:20.040 They're not pitted against each other.

00:14:22.320 It's all of them versus you.

00:14:24.960 It's the club versus those not allowed in the club.

00:14:28.560 The New Blue Party and the Ontario Party are definitely not allowed in the club.

00:14:32.500 Rebel News, they try and keep us out of the club.

00:14:35.040 But really, it's you.

00:14:36.540 This is a clique.

00:14:37.800 This is a circle of friends, the journalists and the politicians.

00:14:41.260 You should just take a look at some of this chummy first name basis.

00:14:44.420 This is the opposite of an accountability moment.

00:14:47.400 Hi, Stephen.

00:14:48.220 Hey.

00:14:49.060 Hey, Colin.

00:14:50.760 Hi, Stephen.

00:14:51.680 Hey, how are you?

00:14:52.420 Good, how are you?

00:14:53.340 Great.

00:14:54.160 Hi, good evening, Ms. Horvath.

00:14:56.840 Hi.

00:14:57.480 Hi, Premier.

00:14:57.760 Well, first of all, before you ask me the question, I think TVO did a great job tonight.

00:15:01.560 So thank you.

00:15:02.360 I'll tell Steve.

00:15:04.200 So chummy, so weird.

00:15:07.520 They are not holding the government to account.

00:15:10.660 How could they?

00:15:12.020 They live off the avails of government.

00:15:14.180 How could Althea Raj and Steve Pakin, who get paid by the government, hold the government

00:15:18.100 to account?

00:15:18.980 And all the rest of them, too.

00:15:20.980 You know, the weirdest thing about the whole night, I have to say, was that Doug Ford,

00:15:26.360 the Premier, had a little briefing book, a little binder on stage, which I don't know what was

00:15:32.120 in it, but I can guess.

00:15:33.140 It was just little talking points, little facts on different issues.

00:15:36.800 He probably had some statistics in there on issues that he thought would come up.

00:15:41.640 But I don't know.

00:15:44.260 I didn't particularly notice him glancing at them.

00:15:46.380 But the idea of a politician having a briefing book is not that interesting.

00:15:50.040 It's how the politician responds to questions.

00:15:54.560 The briefing book might have a detail or a stat or something like that.

00:15:58.160 It's just wholly uninteresting.

00:15:59.440 But the number one question in the post-debate scrum, again, was not about the cost of living,

00:16:06.600 was not about the carbon tax, was not about the price of gas, was not about would we have,

00:16:11.020 I don't know, a lack of baby formula in this country, too.

00:16:16.640 I saw a story last week about that.

00:16:19.100 Is that a problem?

00:16:20.080 Nothing curious like that.

00:16:21.980 The number one question, both for Doug Ford himself and for the other parties, was,

00:16:27.100 hey, how come Doug Ford took a binder in there?

00:16:30.720 What?

00:16:31.460 Here, just take a look for yourself.

00:16:33.180 Not only did they ask Doug Ford it, they asked all the other candidates,

00:16:36.080 why does Doug Ford have a binder?

00:16:37.720 Hi, Mr. Schreiner.

00:16:38.360 I just wanted to get your thoughts on Mr. Ford bringing a binder.

00:16:42.180 Did you notice the frequency of him referring to the binder?

00:16:45.900 Did you feel like it was a crutch, or was it just an aid that he brought to the debate?

00:16:50.260 On the pre-prepared notes, what did you bring with you,

00:16:53.380 and what did you notice during the debate with Mr. Ford?

00:16:57.260 Was he referring to his notes a lot?

00:16:58.920 Were they a crutch, or were they simply just an aid during the debate?

00:17:02.760 In North Bay, after the debate, you did not stay to answer reporter questions.

00:17:08.100 Noticed you had a binder with notes in this debate.

00:17:11.220 The question is, are you afraid of making a mistake?

00:17:14.060 On the binder that you brought up today,

00:17:16.140 I think there were a lot of people who were watching who noticed that,

00:17:18.860 you know, you occasionally had to glance down at the binder to refresh your memory.

00:17:23.240 Why were you so reliant on, you know, pre-written notes in this debate?

00:17:28.720 Why couldn't you speak from the heart or from the mind as the other leaders say that?

00:17:32.280 So you've got the premier of the province there.

00:17:35.380 And this may be your only chance to put a tough question to him.

00:17:39.460 He's had years as the premier during the most controversial era in memory.

00:17:43.400 And you want to ask him about his little binder and what he had, does anything turn on it?

00:17:48.640 Does a single vote turn on it?

00:17:50.320 Do you care?

00:17:50.960 Are you that bored or are you that purposefully uninterested in the issues of the day?

00:17:57.580 Why would you ask about that instead of any possible question you could ask?

00:18:02.220 Well, like I say, controlled opposition, controlled media.

00:18:06.680 They didn't let real journalists ask questions.

00:18:10.240 They didn't let real politicians in. 0.71

00:18:11.900 It was quite something.

00:18:15.600 We had a couple of reporters on the inside.

00:18:17.640 One of them was Lincoln Jay.

00:18:18.680 He was not permitted to ask questions of Doug Ford.

00:18:21.700 All the other journalists ensured that they ragged the puck and took up the time.

00:18:25.420 So Lincoln followed Doug Ford out and hollered to him,

00:18:28.520 why did you break your word on the vaccine mandates?

00:18:31.220 Like so many other so-called conservatives, Doug Ford once said he would never allow a vaccine mandate.

00:18:36.220 Then, of course, he flip-flopped.

00:18:38.740 Our Lincoln Jay tried to put that to Doug Ford.

00:18:41.060 Obviously, he didn't stop to answer.

00:18:42.620 Take a look.

00:18:43.640 Mr. Ford.

00:18:44.460 Mr. Ford.

00:18:45.220 Why did you flip?

00:18:45.980 Mr. Ford.

00:18:48.520 Guys, he's not taking questions.

00:18:50.460 Mr. Ford, why did you flip-flop on the vaccine?

00:18:52.820 Why did you flip-flop on the vaccine passport?

00:19:00.500 Lincoln and our reporter Tamara Ugolini,

00:19:02.860 they showed more get-up-and-go than these mainstream media government journalists.

00:19:07.720 You saw Lincoln hollered at Doug Ford.

00:19:10.180 He walked away.

00:19:11.520 But we had success, Lincoln and Tamara,

00:19:15.760 asking questions of the liberal leader, Del Duca.

00:19:18.760 Here's the first one from Lincoln,

00:19:21.120 where he asked Del Duca to explain this statement.

00:19:24.820 Take a look at this statement by Del Duca,

00:19:26.080 where he says he would bring back forced vaccines for children.

00:19:30.580 This is what he said the other day.

00:19:32.580 Mr. Del Duca, really, really quick.

00:19:34.700 Last one.

00:19:35.180 You pledged to add the COVID-19 vaccine

00:19:37.600 to the list of scheduled vaccines for schoolchildren.

00:19:40.400 The chief medical officer of Ontario, Dr. Kira Moore,

00:19:43.400 has stated that there needs to be more study,

00:19:46.200 that it needs to be looked and do more.

00:19:48.260 With that being said,

00:19:49.140 what's the basis for your decision

00:19:50.360 to add this to the list of scheduled vaccinations?

00:19:52.540 So let's remember that NACI has actually said

00:19:54.460 that kids between the age of 5 and 11,

00:19:56.720 they are strongly urging those kids,

00:19:58.480 like my younger daughter, our younger daughter,

00:20:00.220 to get the vaccine.

00:20:01.480 We think it's important

00:20:02.420 because the numbers are still as low as they are.

00:20:04.380 Roughly 40 to 45% of those kids have gotten both doses.

00:20:08.080 We think it's a way to boost confidence

00:20:09.760 and make sure people understand

00:20:10.860 we want our schools to stay open.

00:20:12.560 We want our kids to be healthy at all times.

00:20:15.220 And frankly, the science is settled.

00:20:17.020 We know that the vaccines work.

00:20:18.320 We know that they keep all of us healthy,

00:20:19.740 not just our kids, but their parents,

00:20:21.760 their grandparents, and frontline education workers.

00:20:24.100 Isn't that funny?

00:20:24.820 You have an interminable like three-hour debate.

00:20:28.380 You have excruciatingly long Q&A sessions

00:20:32.120 where the media party fills it up.

00:20:34.180 And no one even asked about that

00:20:35.920 until our Lincoln Jay grabbed him in the hallway

00:20:38.240 as he was walking away.

00:20:39.440 Good for Lincoln, eh?

00:20:40.800 And Tamara Ugolini was there too.

00:20:43.600 And I have to think that the liberals didn't recognize her

00:20:46.600 because I would be surprised if they would stop

00:20:49.420 and answer her real questions if they knew who she was.

00:20:52.220 Here she is pointing out that Del Duca talks about

00:20:57.300 supporting businesses and choice and things like that,

00:20:59.880 but he was for shutting down small businesses.

00:21:02.640 I'll let this run a little bit.

00:21:04.220 Take a look at our Tamara Ugolini asking more questions

00:21:07.340 as a citizen journalist in two minutes

00:21:10.500 than those government journalists asked in hours.

00:21:14.220 Take a look.

00:21:14.760 You made the affordability pledge

00:21:16.680 and you simultaneously criticized Doug Ford

00:21:19.320 for favoring big box stores.

00:21:20.960 But then in October of 2022, 2021, sorry,

00:21:24.340 you called for the closure of restaurants and gyms.

00:21:28.760 So how do you reconcile those two seemingly indiscrepancies?

00:21:33.580 Well, I don't look at them as a discrepancy.

00:21:35.200 I think it's important in a public health crisis

00:21:36.860 to listen to the best medical advice and science.

00:21:39.660 But I also think it's important to make sure

00:21:41.100 you are there to provide direct and quick

00:21:43.240 and easy to access financial support

00:21:45.260 for small business entrepreneurs,

00:21:46.560 including restaurants, gym owners and others.

00:21:48.240 That's why in the Ontario Liberal Plan,

00:21:50.940 for those businesses, small businesses,

00:21:52.860 hardest hit during this pandemic,

00:21:54.260 many restaurants, many gyms,

00:21:56.020 we will actually get rid of their corporate income tax

00:21:58.060 for two full years to give them a chance to catch up,

00:22:00.460 catch their breath,

00:22:01.640 maybe deal with some of the debt

00:22:02.680 that they have hanging over their heads

00:22:03.980 and stay afloat so they can keep growing.

00:22:06.180 That's one example of how we are favoring

00:22:08.520 small businesses in particular.

00:22:10.820 Doug Ford's abandoned them from day one.

00:22:12.360 Talk's a good game,

00:22:13.100 but favors the giant corporations

00:22:14.880 and big box retail

00:22:15.800 instead of the mom and pop shops.

00:22:17.480 It's got to stop.

00:22:18.700 If the choice was truly theirs,

00:22:20.360 then would you just allow businesses,

00:22:22.040 if the choice was truly theirs,

00:22:24.220 as your platform slogan seems to be,

00:22:26.800 then would you just allow restaurants

00:22:28.080 and gyms to stay open

00:22:29.600 despite any sort of provincial mandate going forward?

00:22:32.680 Well, first of all,

00:22:33.300 we all hope that there will be no future mandates

00:22:35.840 because as a people,

00:22:37.240 we've worked so hard to get to this spot.

00:22:38.880 Nobody wants to go backwards,

00:22:40.040 but I've said this all the way

00:22:41.480 through the pandemic.

00:22:42.920 I'd be guided by the science.

00:22:44.360 I'd make responsible decisions,

00:22:46.020 probably some tougher decisions earlier on,

00:22:48.680 but I would make sure

00:22:49.560 that we didn't just say

00:22:50.580 financial help would be there.

00:22:51.860 We'd actually deliver it.

00:22:52.980 Doug Ford never really delivered it.

00:22:54.260 I tell you,

00:22:55.540 we got more real questions put,

00:22:58.260 and I don't know if we actually got viable answers,

00:23:00.260 but we put the questions

00:23:01.380 in that hallway,

00:23:04.480 impromptu, informally,

00:23:06.660 outside of the rules,

00:23:07.880 than the whole rules system that preceded it.

00:23:11.160 Would you agree with me on that?

00:23:12.780 You know, we didn't ask,

00:23:13.660 well, what color was your binder

00:23:14.800 and how many pages?

00:23:15.900 No one, no human being in Ontario

00:23:18.460 cares about the binder.

00:23:20.320 I mean, do you care

00:23:21.080 about the notepad I have in front of me?

00:23:22.880 Why would you care?

00:23:23.740 It's the words and the ideas that count.

00:23:26.180 While the mainstream media journalists

00:23:27.540 were just killing time

00:23:28.620 asking about non-questions,

00:23:30.580 our citizen journalists,

00:23:31.800 neither of whom went to journalism school

00:23:33.680 and, you know,

00:23:34.460 the CBC way of doing things,

00:23:36.280 they're asking real questions,

00:23:37.500 got better answers

00:23:38.940 than the media party.

00:23:39.920 I think that this debate

00:23:41.080 in its own way

00:23:42.340 is a microcosm

00:23:43.220 of the failure of the entire country,

00:23:45.560 of the failure of the institutions.

00:23:48.120 You saw the failure of journalists

00:23:49.820 and the failure of politicians

00:23:52.300 by rigged rules.

00:23:55.680 The elites love the lockdown.

00:23:58.440 The elites really don't care

00:23:59.660 between Doug Ford

00:24:00.720 and the liberals and the NDP,

00:24:02.440 really how much difference

00:24:03.480 is there amongst them.

00:24:04.440 All the elites care about

00:24:06.800 is that they maintain

00:24:08.160 their position,

00:24:09.100 their status

00:24:09.840 in regards to you,

00:24:12.040 that they're above you,

00:24:13.380 that they can keep out 0.92

00:24:14.360 any competitors to them.

00:24:16.380 I think

00:24:16.880 none of the candidates

00:24:18.620 won yesterday.

00:24:19.480 They're all so indistinguishable.

00:24:21.740 But who lost?

00:24:23.660 I don't know.

00:24:24.220 Ontarians, of course.

00:24:25.280 None of these leaders

00:24:25.880 will make a good premier.

00:24:26.780 But the system

00:24:28.240 showed itself

00:24:29.380 to be completely broken.

00:24:31.440 Stay with us for more.

00:24:44.560 I wouldn't have thought

00:24:45.660 it would be this way

00:24:46.540 two years ago,

00:24:47.420 but Jason Kenney

00:24:48.160 is one of the least

00:24:49.140 popular premiers

00:24:50.260 in Alberta,

00:24:51.840 especially despised

00:24:53.080 by his party's

00:24:54.000 conservative base.

00:24:55.020 Of course,

00:24:55.960 that has not

00:24:56.700 caused the left wing

00:24:59.780 of the province

00:25:00.320 to become enchanted

00:25:01.200 with them.

00:25:02.020 He's lost both

00:25:02.780 the left and the right.

00:25:04.380 The left thinks

00:25:04.920 that Rachel Notley,

00:25:06.220 the former NDP premier,

00:25:07.920 could become premier again.

00:25:09.700 Well, the party

00:25:10.380 is in a pickle.

00:25:11.460 The party that Jason Kenney

00:25:12.600 himself fused together

00:25:13.980 from the former

00:25:14.980 Wild Rose

00:25:15.600 and the progressive

00:25:16.220 conservatives.

00:25:17.380 There is an overt

00:25:18.680 plan within the party,

00:25:20.360 a movement

00:25:20.780 to throw him out.

00:25:22.760 Kenney managed

00:25:23.360 to derail it,

00:25:24.360 insisting on a

00:25:25.140 mailed-in ballot

00:25:26.860 rather than the

00:25:28.160 in-person vote

00:25:29.220 that was scheduled.

00:25:30.780 A lot of people

00:25:31.280 say shenanigans

00:25:32.140 are afoot,

00:25:32.880 and in fact,

00:25:33.460 Elections Alberta

00:25:34.300 is investigating.

00:25:36.180 So will Jason Kenney

00:25:37.580 win,

00:25:38.760 or will he be

00:25:39.580 thrown out?

00:25:40.080 A poll

00:25:40.680 published yesterday

00:25:42.500 in the Edmonton Journal

00:25:43.860 says that

00:25:44.540 most Albertans

00:25:46.320 think

00:25:46.700 the United

00:25:47.680 Conservative Party

00:25:48.420 should

00:25:49.000 drop Jason Kenney,

00:25:50.800 but that's just

00:25:52.060 their opinion.

00:25:53.000 It comes down

00:25:53.560 to those

00:25:53.960 who actually

00:25:54.460 bought a party

00:25:55.740 membership

00:25:56.120 and cast a ballot.

00:25:57.080 Joining us now

00:25:57.540 from Edmonton

00:25:58.440 to talk about this

00:25:59.700 is our friend

00:26:00.300 and chief reporter

00:26:01.700 Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:26:03.000 Sheila,

00:26:03.760 it's interesting

00:26:04.600 to see that

00:26:05.320 most of the province

00:26:06.040 wants Jason Kenney

00:26:07.020 gone.

00:26:08.020 His popularity

00:26:08.760 has been underwater

00:26:09.960 for months,

00:26:11.260 but it really

00:26:12.360 comes down to

00:26:13.260 who cast the ballot

00:26:14.740 and much more

00:26:15.440 importantly,

00:26:16.120 who counts

00:26:17.400 the ballot.

00:26:18.260 Am I right?

00:26:18.680 Yeah,

00:26:19.940 that is true.

00:26:20.880 We saw some

00:26:21.780 controversy,

00:26:23.640 I guess,

00:26:24.640 as so many people

00:26:25.720 flooded into the party

00:26:27.040 buying memberships

00:26:28.200 to become actively

00:26:29.120 engaged in the party

00:26:30.220 that the venue

00:26:32.900 that was originally

00:26:34.600 rented in Red Deer

00:26:36.080 for the leadership

00:26:37.340 review vote,

00:26:39.240 according to the party,

00:26:40.820 and the numbers

00:26:41.500 do say this,

00:26:43.240 that there were

00:26:43.780 more people

00:26:44.500 who wanted to

00:26:45.680 cast a vote

00:26:46.340 than they were able

00:26:47.440 to provide space for.

00:26:49.200 So then they moved

00:26:50.220 to no longer

00:26:51.680 in-person voting,

00:26:53.100 which does shake

00:26:54.720 people's confidence

00:26:55.980 in the validity

00:26:58.100 and the integrity

00:26:59.500 of the vote.

00:27:01.020 And that seems

00:27:02.280 to be playing out

00:27:02.980 in these survey results

00:27:04.900 from Common Ground

00:27:07.420 was the survey pollster.

00:27:09.980 And, you know,

00:27:14.020 only six out of ten

00:27:14.980 of those surveyed

00:27:16.000 said they believe

00:27:16.740 UCP members

00:27:17.740 should vote

00:27:19.100 to remove

00:27:19.840 Jason Kenney

00:27:21.020 as a party leader.

00:27:22.040 Only 21%

00:27:23.200 said he should stay

00:27:24.400 with the remainder

00:27:25.720 saying that they were

00:27:26.640 unsure.

00:27:27.860 And, you know,

00:27:29.040 when asked whether

00:27:30.020 they had confidence

00:27:31.020 that the leadership

00:27:32.460 review would be

00:27:33.440 conducted fairly,

00:27:34.640 only 55.1%

00:27:38.080 of those surveyed

00:27:39.160 said they were

00:27:40.040 either very

00:27:40.820 or somewhat confident.

00:27:43.100 That's not a lot

00:27:44.000 when it's only half

00:27:45.460 of the people

00:27:46.620 that were polled.

00:27:47.900 And this is people

00:27:48.500 across all parties.

00:27:49.780 So this is,

00:27:50.780 you know,

00:27:51.100 just a random sampling

00:27:52.240 of about 2,100 Albertans

00:27:54.140 that were surveyed

00:27:55.200 on this.

00:27:56.020 And, you know,

00:27:57.340 pretty close to half

00:27:58.140 of them think

00:27:58.520 this isn't going

00:27:59.020 to be done fairly.

00:27:59.800 And that's a bad look

00:28:00.680 on the UCP

00:28:01.480 no matter what

00:28:02.260 the results are

00:28:02.920 because people

00:28:03.540 will always question them.

00:28:05.460 Yeah, it was really weird

00:28:06.220 how when Kenny won

00:28:07.280 the leadership of UCP

00:28:08.560 last time

00:28:09.140 against Brian Jean,

00:28:11.500 he engaged in so many

00:28:13.280 questionable tactics.

00:28:15.300 I mean, it seemed to me

00:28:16.000 that was like Mike Tyson

00:28:17.700 fighting, you know,

00:28:19.400 a teenage kid in flyweight.

00:28:21.800 I mean,

00:28:22.920 it was just so overwhelmingly

00:28:25.060 in Kenny's favor.

00:28:26.840 The fact that he engaged

00:28:27.840 in shenanigans

00:28:28.680 seemed unnecessary

00:28:29.860 and too tricky

00:28:31.820 tricksterish by half.

00:28:33.520 Now, I have my doubts

00:28:34.560 about the Alberta

00:28:35.340 elections officials.

00:28:37.480 We ourselves

00:28:38.080 have tangled with them.

00:28:39.420 They've tried to ban

00:28:40.360 your book

00:28:41.480 and our lawn signs

00:28:42.320 so they're highly partisan.

00:28:44.500 That said,

00:28:45.440 it's not some NDPer

00:28:47.340 who's complaining,

00:28:48.160 it's other conservatives.

00:28:49.340 It's Brian Jean

00:28:50.600 who is back.

00:28:52.480 He won his seat

00:28:53.940 as an MLA

00:28:54.640 in a by-election

00:28:55.420 expressly on a platform

00:28:58.080 of giving Jason Kenny

00:28:59.680 the heave-ho.

00:29:00.320 And remember,

00:29:01.380 Kenny's people

00:29:02.000 thought they could

00:29:03.040 stop him from winning that.

00:29:05.100 They couldn't.

00:29:06.260 I think they're outmanned,

00:29:07.740 outgunned,

00:29:08.320 out-hustled,

00:29:09.160 which is why they need

00:29:10.360 the dirty tricks this time,

00:29:11.520 which is why

00:29:12.040 they need to change the rules.

00:29:13.520 I understand that Jason

00:29:14.400 Kenny threatened to quit

00:29:15.560 as premier

00:29:16.700 if they didn't go

00:29:17.640 to the mail-in ballot

00:29:18.780 U.S. Democrat style.

00:29:21.980 You know,

00:29:22.220 that's the first time

00:29:23.520 I've heard that,

00:29:24.320 but it doesn't surprise me.

00:29:25.760 given that

00:29:28.460 the UCP

00:29:29.900 is still under

00:29:31.140 not just investigation

00:29:32.920 by elections officials,

00:29:34.760 but the RCMP

00:29:36.020 are involved

00:29:36.820 regarding

00:29:38.340 the

00:29:39.820 sort of dirty tricks

00:29:41.660 that were alleged

00:29:42.360 during the

00:29:43.160 last leadership

00:29:44.360 election.

00:29:45.700 You think they would

00:29:46.560 have taken a lot

00:29:47.340 more care

00:29:48.040 and control

00:29:48.880 to make sure

00:29:49.560 that this was

00:29:50.860 beyond reproach,

00:29:52.680 that there were no

00:29:53.380 strange smells

00:29:54.600 of anything going on

00:29:56.020 or changing the rules

00:29:57.500 last minute

00:29:58.240 or changing

00:29:59.040 the way

00:30:00.780 by which people

00:30:01.580 could vote

00:30:02.100 last minute,

00:30:02.780 but they did it again

00:30:04.320 and like I said,

00:30:05.600 no matter what

00:30:06.240 the results are,

00:30:07.540 people are not

00:30:08.160 going to trust them

00:30:09.000 and it's going

00:30:10.000 to be conservatives

00:30:10.980 who don't have trust

00:30:12.640 in the leadership

00:30:13.240 of the party

00:30:14.020 and unfortunately

00:30:15.380 that forces conservatives

00:30:16.660 to do two things,

00:30:17.680 either stay home

00:30:18.720 or break away

00:30:20.220 into another party.

00:30:21.220 Those are the two things

00:30:22.180 that conservatives

00:30:22.820 love to do,

00:30:23.740 especially out here

00:30:24.540 in Alberta

00:30:24.980 when they think

00:30:26.260 their conservative party

00:30:27.660 is lying to them.

00:30:29.240 Yeah, it's so strange

00:30:30.340 that Kenny fused

00:30:31.520 the parties

00:30:32.260 and now he's causing

00:30:33.120 quite a division

00:30:34.060 in the parties

00:30:34.620 and it's the same leader

00:30:36.220 he beat last time

00:30:37.360 who's leading

00:30:38.340 the rebellion.

00:30:39.740 I think that

00:30:40.580 if Jason Kenny

00:30:41.620 stays on as leader,

00:30:43.320 I am afraid

00:30:44.100 that the New Democrats

00:30:45.420 simply will win again

00:30:46.900 because obviously

00:30:48.080 the left wing

00:30:48.880 would never vote

00:30:49.900 for Kenny.

00:30:50.760 He relies on

00:30:52.000 conservatives

00:30:52.600 and rural folks

00:30:53.700 but they are so

00:30:54.560 turned off by Kenny

00:30:56.240 for policy reasons,

00:30:57.980 for style reasons.

00:30:59.160 Let me ask you this.

00:31:00.560 There have been

00:31:01.200 a number of

00:31:02.300 party MLAs

00:31:03.560 including some people

00:31:05.240 of some high rank

00:31:06.220 who have basically

00:31:08.160 telegraphed

00:31:09.140 to the public

00:31:09.760 they want Kenny gone.

00:31:11.660 If he wins again,

00:31:12.880 there will obviously

00:31:13.580 be a cloud

00:31:14.420 over his

00:31:15.180 over that.

00:31:17.640 Will they just

00:31:18.560 grumble

00:31:19.440 and be quiet

00:31:20.400 and fall

00:31:21.020 into line

00:31:21.600 or do you think

00:31:22.520 they will do

00:31:23.000 as you suggested,

00:31:24.040 break away?

00:31:25.280 I mean,

00:31:25.420 do you think

00:31:25.760 that Brian Jean

00:31:26.440 will actually

00:31:26.960 be a loyal soldier

00:31:28.040 obedient to Jason

00:31:29.600 Kenny

00:31:29.900 and all the other

00:31:31.100 MLAs

00:31:31.680 who have criticized

00:31:32.800 him,

00:31:33.220 whether it's

00:31:33.520 for his pandemic

00:31:34.720 policies

00:31:36.260 or just his

00:31:37.040 top-down

00:31:38.080 style of governing?

00:31:38.900 Do you think

00:31:39.160 they're going to

00:31:39.440 hold it together

00:31:39.960 or will they

00:31:40.300 break away?

00:31:40.780 I think

00:31:42.280 if Jason

00:31:42.920 Kenny

00:31:43.180 does

00:31:43.740 lose

00:31:45.580 the leadership

00:31:46.120 review,

00:31:46.860 I think

00:31:47.240 the party

00:31:47.880 will be able

00:31:48.480 to stay

00:31:49.000 together.

00:31:49.760 I think

00:31:50.120 if Jason

00:31:51.540 Kenny

00:31:51.820 wins,

00:31:52.380 even by a

00:31:52.980 slim margin,

00:31:54.440 I think

00:31:55.100 you're going

00:31:55.400 to see

00:31:55.800 a fracturing

00:31:56.500 of the party

00:31:57.140 even more

00:31:57.860 so.

00:31:58.300 And some

00:31:58.600 of that,

00:31:59.320 Jason

00:31:59.580 Kenny

00:31:59.920 is directly

00:32:01.040 responsible,

00:32:01.900 for example,

00:32:02.400 throwing Drew

00:32:03.040 Barnes out

00:32:03.680 of the party.

00:32:04.920 He was a

00:32:05.440 loyal,

00:32:06.040 wild roser.

00:32:07.260 The remaining

00:32:08.240 one who did

00:32:09.120 not cross

00:32:09.860 the floor

00:32:10.460 with

00:32:11.500 Smith

00:32:12.360 when she

00:32:12.960 blew up

00:32:13.380 the party

00:32:13.840 and delivered

00:32:14.340 us to

00:32:14.760 the NDP.

00:32:16.020 He was

00:32:16.680 a loyal,

00:32:18.000 beloved

00:32:19.040 MLA

00:32:20.060 in his

00:32:20.600 community,

00:32:21.000 and he

00:32:21.460 was thrown

00:32:21.900 out of the

00:32:22.360 party because

00:32:22.960 he didn't

00:32:23.500 toe the

00:32:23.880 party line,

00:32:25.020 according to

00:32:25.720 Jason

00:32:26.020 Kenny and

00:32:26.600 his pro-lockdown

00:32:27.760 anti-church

00:32:28.680 stance.

00:32:29.900 And there

00:32:30.640 are others

00:32:31.160 who are

00:32:31.460 sort of

00:32:31.740 on the

00:32:32.280 cusp,

00:32:33.240 like Angela

00:32:33.940 Pitt.

00:32:35.420 Again,

00:32:36.360 first elected

00:32:37.120 as a

00:32:37.500 wild roser,

00:32:38.600 very pro-uniting

00:32:39.960 the two

00:32:40.380 parties,

00:32:40.940 getting

00:32:41.100 everybody

00:32:41.540 back to

00:32:42.180 work,

00:32:42.640 but also

00:32:43.720 quite a

00:32:44.520 civil

00:32:44.760 libertarian.

00:32:46.000 I think

00:32:46.360 she was

00:32:47.100 a party

00:32:49.540 whip,

00:32:50.000 if I am

00:32:50.940 remembering

00:32:51.520 correctly,

00:32:52.700 or leader

00:32:53.780 in the

00:32:54.060 House.

00:32:54.900 Anyways,

00:32:55.420 high-profile

00:32:55.940 position within

00:32:56.620 the party,

00:32:57.140 a position of

00:32:58.580 leadership,

00:32:59.520 and she has

00:33:00.400 spoken out

00:33:00.940 against Jason

00:33:01.600 Kenny.

00:33:02.080 The only

00:33:02.520 difference was

00:33:03.180 that she was

00:33:03.660 a little bit

00:33:04.200 closer to the

00:33:05.160 circle of

00:33:05.740 leadership with

00:33:06.840 Jason

00:33:07.100 Kenny to

00:33:07.620 just toss

00:33:08.220 out.

00:33:08.720 It would

00:33:08.980 have caused

00:33:09.380 a lot of

00:33:09.820 controversy.

00:33:10.580 So she

00:33:11.140 got to

00:33:11.520 speak her

00:33:11.920 mind,

00:33:12.600 Drew Barnes

00:33:13.060 got shown

00:33:13.560 the door.

00:33:14.820 And with

00:33:15.460 enough of

00:33:16.100 those former

00:33:16.800 wild rosers

00:33:17.680 sniffing around

00:33:18.900 and saying,

00:33:19.420 okay, we

00:33:19.680 tried unity,

00:33:20.800 it obviously

00:33:21.720 doesn't work

00:33:22.340 because there

00:33:22.740 are too many

00:33:23.200 red Tories

00:33:23.940 in the mix

00:33:24.560 here,

00:33:25.200 and hangers

00:33:25.780 on from

00:33:26.260 the before

00:33:26.780 times that

00:33:27.740 we need to

00:33:28.280 go back to

00:33:28.980 where we

00:33:29.340 were and

00:33:29.900 do a rural

00:33:31.760 party and

00:33:32.300 an urban

00:33:32.780 conservative

00:33:33.380 party.

00:33:34.580 We might

00:33:35.040 see that

00:33:35.480 going forward.

00:33:36.220 The only

00:33:36.860 thing that

00:33:37.260 I think

00:33:37.580 will save

00:33:38.300 Jason

00:33:38.680 Kenny in

00:33:39.160 all of

00:33:39.500 this is

00:33:40.240 that the

00:33:40.540 NDP are

00:33:41.080 really ramping

00:33:41.840 up their

00:33:42.180 advertising.

00:33:43.580 And so

00:33:43.740 they're keeping

00:33:44.340 Rachel Notley

00:33:46.420 top of mind.

00:33:47.600 I know for

00:33:47.960 me, I'm

00:33:48.780 watching Amazon

00:33:49.940 Prime and

00:33:50.480 there's an

00:33:50.860 ad for the

00:33:51.400 NDP and

00:33:52.120 Rachel Notley's

00:33:52.940 mug is on

00:33:53.480 my screen all

00:33:54.320 of a sudden.

00:33:55.340 And that

00:33:55.680 reminds you,

00:33:56.920 things were

00:33:57.460 really bad,

00:33:58.100 really bad

00:33:58.760 when she was

00:33:59.200 around.

00:34:00.140 And maybe

00:34:01.000 Jason Kenny

00:34:01.560 is bad,

00:34:02.740 but not

00:34:03.180 Notley bad.

00:34:04.140 I think that

00:34:04.760 might be his

00:34:05.420 only hope.

00:34:05.920 Isn't that

00:34:06.480 interesting?

00:34:07.360 You know,

00:34:07.580 there's a

00:34:07.840 saying in

00:34:08.200 politics,

00:34:08.840 friends come

00:34:09.360 and go,

00:34:09.720 but enemies

00:34:10.160 accumulate.

00:34:11.500 And it's

00:34:11.780 true because,

00:34:13.180 and you know,

00:34:14.020 it's sort of

00:34:14.320 funny for

00:34:14.840 someone who

00:34:15.760 used to be

00:34:16.080 the head of

00:34:16.380 the Taxpayers

00:34:16.980 Federation and

00:34:18.220 then who was

00:34:18.780 in the

00:34:19.200 grassroots

00:34:19.980 populist

00:34:20.960 reform party.

00:34:22.880 And,

00:34:23.120 you know,

00:34:24.380 he has an

00:34:25.280 imperious way

00:34:26.780 to him,

00:34:27.220 a top-down

00:34:27.740 way.

00:34:28.020 The only way

00:34:28.420 I can make

00:34:28.820 sense of it,

00:34:29.820 and I think

00:34:30.320 this makes

00:34:30.820 everything make

00:34:31.440 sense from

00:34:31.800 his lockdown

00:34:32.320 extremism

00:34:33.100 to his

00:34:34.800 denunciations

00:34:36.280 of conservative

00:34:37.260 party members

00:34:38.360 as yahoos 0.99

00:34:39.140 and racists 0.99

00:34:39.820 and extremists.

00:34:41.540 The only way

00:34:42.240 that makes

00:34:42.580 sense is if

00:34:43.160 you look at

00:34:43.580 his role as

00:34:44.820 premier of

00:34:45.320 Alberta as

00:34:45.980 a stepping

00:34:46.360 stone.

00:34:46.760 Yep.

00:34:47.600 Yep.

00:34:47.980 To going back

00:34:48.580 to Ottawa

00:34:49.100 to seek the

00:34:50.560 prime minister's

00:34:51.340 chair.

00:34:51.700 And I think

00:34:52.180 Pierre Polyev may

00:34:53.600 be successful in

00:34:54.460 that and may

00:34:54.960 short-circuit

00:34:56.020 Jason Kenny's

00:34:56.820 plans.

00:34:57.180 There has

00:34:58.140 been no

00:34:58.600 moment where

00:34:59.820 Kenny has

00:35:00.420 chosen Alberta

00:35:01.340 over Ottawa,

00:35:02.820 whether it's

00:35:03.540 equalization or

00:35:04.800 an Alberta

00:35:05.760 provincial police

00:35:06.680 force or an

00:35:07.600 Alberta pension

00:35:08.240 plan.

00:35:08.960 Anything that

00:35:09.680 could in the

00:35:11.020 future have

00:35:11.560 been held

00:35:11.960 against him

00:35:12.520 by the

00:35:12.860 Ottawa press

00:35:13.420 corps,

00:35:13.880 he simply

00:35:14.460 didn't do.

00:35:15.660 And I think

00:35:16.660 that's one of

00:35:17.060 the reasons

00:35:17.420 why he broke

00:35:18.280 and went so

00:35:19.760 over the top

00:35:20.740 on the lockdown

00:35:21.340 ism and the

00:35:22.180 prosecuting of

00:35:23.440 the Christian

00:35:23.920 churches.

00:35:25.260 If he was

00:35:26.060 an Alberta

00:35:26.440 first guy

00:35:26.900 who said

00:35:27.280 this is

00:35:27.680 my best

00:35:28.660 and final

00:35:29.240 job,

00:35:29.920 I want to

00:35:30.520 be Premier

00:35:31.020 of Alberta

00:35:31.560 as long

00:35:32.400 as I can

00:35:32.840 be,

00:35:33.520 this is

00:35:34.080 where it's

00:35:34.620 at.

00:35:35.000 Instead of

00:35:35.680 always looking

00:35:36.780 around for

00:35:37.260 the better

00:35:37.620 next opportunity.

00:35:39.020 So I think

00:35:39.500 his judgment

00:35:40.140 provincially was

00:35:41.000 always colored

00:35:41.580 by that.

00:35:42.620 And I think

00:35:43.560 it's been a

00:35:44.600 disaster for

00:35:45.280 his premiership.

00:35:46.940 I think that's

00:35:47.360 why he's made

00:35:47.960 bad decisions

00:35:48.780 during the

00:35:49.520 pandemic.

00:35:50.080 And if he

00:35:50.460 loses,

00:35:51.000 and that's

00:35:51.380 his desperate

00:35:51.840 situation,

00:35:52.440 because if he

00:35:53.240 gets thrown

00:35:53.820 out as

00:35:54.920 Premier tomorrow

00:35:55.680 night,

00:35:56.000 I think

00:35:57.240 that's a

00:35:58.080 huge hole

00:35:58.980 in the

00:35:59.260 bottom of

00:35:59.640 his canoe

00:36:00.040 if he was

00:36:00.900 planning to

00:36:01.960 run for

00:36:02.460 some federal

00:36:03.200 party leader

00:36:03.800 in the future,

00:36:04.320 because to be

00:36:05.300 thrown out by

00:36:06.220 your own party

00:36:07.000 in scandal

00:36:08.000 is pretty tough

00:36:09.120 to come back

00:36:09.820 from.

00:36:10.740 I think that

00:36:11.660 he's fighting

00:36:12.520 to save

00:36:13.640 himself as

00:36:14.120 Premier,

00:36:14.460 but again,

00:36:14.840 I think that's

00:36:15.420 just to save

00:36:17.000 himself for a

00:36:17.780 run for

00:36:18.580 PM in six

00:36:20.400 years or

00:36:20.920 whatever.

00:36:21.340 But I don't

00:36:21.660 know,

00:36:21.840 I think maybe

00:36:22.240 he missed

00:36:22.600 his moment.

00:36:23.460 I think

00:36:23.700 Pierre

00:36:23.940 Polyev is

00:36:24.540 grabbing the

00:36:25.440 chance that

00:36:25.980 Jason Kenney

00:36:26.560 would have

00:36:26.860 wanted.

00:36:27.300 Last word

00:36:27.720 to you,

00:36:28.100 Sheila,

00:36:28.260 what do you

00:36:28.500 think is

00:36:28.760 going to

00:36:29.340 happen tomorrow?

00:36:30.080 It's not

00:36:30.520 about the

00:36:30.880 pollsters,

00:36:31.260 it's about

00:36:31.740 actual party

00:36:32.560 members and

00:36:33.620 those who

00:36:33.960 count the

00:36:34.380 votes.

00:36:35.560 Do you think

00:36:35.840 it's going to

00:36:36.100 be a fair

00:36:36.460 count?

00:36:37.180 Do you think

00:36:37.520 Kenney will

00:36:37.920 win?

00:36:39.520 I'm not sure

00:36:40.200 if it's going

00:36:40.540 to be a fair

00:36:40.980 count.

00:36:41.740 I think we'll

00:36:42.700 have the

00:36:43.060 perception of

00:36:43.920 fairness.

00:36:45.400 I think

00:36:46.060 Kenney will

00:36:46.640 win very

00:36:47.660 narrowly,

00:36:49.020 but instead of

00:36:50.120 doing the

00:36:50.520 Ralph Klein

00:36:51.160 thing and

00:36:51.900 saying,

00:36:52.780 well,

00:36:53.140 I did win

00:36:55.020 the leadership

00:36:55.580 review,

00:36:56.300 but it's

00:36:56.840 just not

00:36:57.260 enough for

00:36:57.640 the party

00:36:58.000 to be

00:36:58.300 confident in

00:36:59.000 me,

00:36:59.480 I don't

00:37:00.000 think that's

00:37:00.500 going to

00:37:00.820 be the

00:37:01.240 sort of

00:37:01.620 remarks we're

00:37:02.220 going to

00:37:02.420 hear from

00:37:02.720 Jason Kenney.

00:37:03.520 He's going

00:37:04.060 to say

00:37:04.500 50% plus

00:37:05.440 one means

00:37:06.180 you all

00:37:06.500 love me

00:37:06.920 and let's

00:37:07.340 move on

00:37:07.820 and fight

00:37:08.500 the NDP.

00:37:09.340 The problem

00:37:09.820 is there is

00:37:10.500 a rift in

00:37:10.980 this party

00:37:11.440 that I don't

00:37:12.360 think will

00:37:12.760 heal as

00:37:13.800 long as

00:37:14.300 he's

00:37:14.580 premier.

00:37:15.080 It's not

00:37:15.620 enough to

00:37:16.440 not be

00:37:17.000 Rachel

00:37:17.380 Notley.

00:37:18.060 You have

00:37:18.500 to keep

00:37:20.120 UCP

00:37:20.760 coalition

00:37:21.320 together

00:37:21.860 and there

00:37:23.520 are just

00:37:24.060 too many

00:37:24.780 I think

00:37:25.300 disgruntled

00:37:26.280 high-profile

00:37:27.700 conservatives

00:37:28.660 who are

00:37:29.160 saying you

00:37:29.680 did this

00:37:30.240 wrong.

00:37:31.060 There was

00:37:31.900 another way

00:37:32.600 you refused

00:37:33.600 to take it

00:37:34.180 and I think

00:37:34.620 you're right

00:37:34.980 when you

00:37:35.300 say that

00:37:35.960 Pierre

00:37:36.680 Polyev

00:37:37.200 is sort

00:37:38.060 of the

00:37:38.600 problem

00:37:41.340 in Jason

00:37:41.940 Kenney's

00:37:42.400 plan now

00:37:43.060 as long

00:37:43.340 as there

00:37:43.540 was a

00:37:43.840 mediocre 0.95

00:37:44.440 leader 0.98

00:37:45.640 of the

00:37:46.540 federal

00:37:47.220 conservative

00:37:47.740 party

00:37:48.220 there was

00:37:48.580 a path

00:37:49.100 for him

00:37:49.480 back to

00:37:49.900 Ottawa

00:37:50.260 now I'm

00:37:51.140 not so

00:37:51.500 sure there

00:37:51.880 is and

00:37:52.640 so he's

00:37:53.020 going to

00:37:53.240 hang on

00:37:53.720 for everything

00:37:54.640 he can

00:37:55.240 here in

00:37:55.660 Alberta

00:37:55.940 because this

00:37:56.540 is his

00:37:56.860 one time

00:37:58.200 in charge.

00:37:59.720 Very strange

00:38:00.560 days.

00:38:01.120 Alberta

00:38:01.380 just doesn't

00:38:01.960 seem to

00:38:02.300 catch a

00:38:02.660 break.

00:38:02.960 Sheila

00:38:03.080 great to

00:38:03.460 see you

00:38:03.660 again.

00:38:03.860 Thanks

00:38:04.000 for your

00:38:04.220 time.

00:38:05.140 Thanks

00:38:05.300 for having

00:38:05.560 me on

00:38:05.800 boss.

00:38:06.160 All

00:38:06.340 right.

00:38:06.520 There you

00:38:06.680 have it.

00:38:06.980 Sheila

00:38:07.120 Gunn-Reed

00:38:07.480 our chief

00:38:07.880 reporter

00:38:08.380 and based

00:38:09.900 in the

00:38:10.900 Edmonton

00:38:11.240 area.

00:38:11.660 Stay

00:38:11.760 with us

00:38:12.240 your

00:38:12.740 letters

00:38:13.080 to me

00:38:13.420 next.

00:38:20.460 you

00:38:22.000 have it.

00:38:23.220 see you

00:38:24.720 hid

00:38:25.900 here.

00:38:26.720 Bye.

00:38:27.820 Bye.

00:38:28.180 Bye.

00:38:28.620 Bye.

00:38:29.320 Bye.

00:38:29.480 Bye.

00:38:29.900 Bye.

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00:38:30.880 Bye.

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Rebel News Podcast - May 18, 2022

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Ontario had its election debate, but what was the difference among the candidates？

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