Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Ottawa vs. Rebel News： Our Battle for Election Debate Access

00:00:00.200 Hello, my friends. A new report from Mark Carney's Debates Commission, that's the government

00:00:05.280 bureaucrats that run the leaders' debates, has paragraph after paragraph about Rebel News.

00:00:10.780 I'm going to read some of it to you because it's sort of appalling and it's sort of funny

00:00:15.220 and sad at the same time. I'll let you be the judge of it. But first, let me invite you

00:00:19.120 to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus. That's the video version of this podcast.

00:00:23.280 Just go to rebelnewsplus.com and click subscribe. Eight bucks a month, and we use that money

00:00:28.440 to keep the show strong so we don't have to take any government money. We never have.

00:00:32.660 We never will. And your subscription helps make that possible. Tonight, the government

00:00:37.780 says it can't block Rebel News from the election debates anymore, so the entire press conference

00:00:43.460 should be canceled. I kid you not. It's October 28th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:48.600 You buddies of freedom! Shame on you, you censorious bug!

00:00:58.440 I want to read to you something just amazing from Mark Carney's Government Election Debates

00:01:10.020 Commission. It's actually Trudeau's Debates Commission, but Carney hasn't changed it, so

00:01:14.060 it's his now. They wrote a report a few weeks ago, and they're just obsessed with Rebel News.

00:01:20.080 It's sort of amazing. I want to take you through it, but first, please let me give you five minutes

00:01:24.900 of history just as a refresher of the background here, but you'll want to stick around to actually

00:01:29.720 look at their report. There is no reason why the government should run the election debates of a

00:01:36.120 country. Strike that. There is a reason. There's just no good reason for it. For a century and a half,

00:01:42.400 Canadians managed quite well with our own election debates, even as technology changed from the

00:01:48.760 newspaper and leaflet days, to the days of radio, to TV, to the internet. I literally cannot remember

00:01:55.940 anyone ever in my whole life saying, hey, these election debates have a problem, and that problem

00:02:01.420 can be solved by putting them in the hands of the government. I'm not saying that debates are perfect.

00:02:06.040 Sometimes the format is better than others. Sometimes the hosts are better than others.

00:02:10.060 But what's that got to do with who owns and controls the debates? Imagine giving it to government. 0.74

00:02:14.980 The big media companies typically work together to host a few marquee debates that they'd all

00:02:19.940 spend some money on producing as nicely as possible. Other organizations were free to host their own

00:02:25.080 debates, too. I think, for example, in 2015, the Globe and Mail had a debate on the economy. Here's just a few seconds of that.

00:02:37.800 Live from Calgary, welcome to the Globe and Mail Leaders Debate 2015.

00:02:42.500 Please welcome tonight's co-host, Globe and Mail political reporter, Jane Tabor.

00:02:53.060 Welcome to the Globe and Mail Leaders Debate on the Economy, and welcome to Calgary in the Palomino

00:02:58.000 Room at the BMO Centre in Stampede Park for a very special and exciting debate, one that's focused

00:03:04.040 on only one topic, the most important issue of election 2015, the economy. And there's no better

00:03:10.220 place for this debate than where we are tonight in Alberta.

00:03:13.720 So the Globe and Mail made a few decisions. They weren't going to include the leader of the Bloc

00:03:17.520 Québécois in their English language debate. Makes sense. And they weren't going to invite the fringe

00:03:22.400 candidate from the Green Party. You could say that's unfair, but the Liberals, Tories, and NDP all thought

00:03:27.980 it was fair enough to participate. And if you don't like it, well, have your own debate and convince

00:03:32.160 people to attend yours and watch yours. That's how it used to be.

00:03:35.620 But while it's obviously not in the public interest to have politicians take over an important feature

00:03:42.040 of democracy like the debates, it could be in the private interest of the incumbent who could then

00:03:48.020 appoint the debate commission with his friends and set it to his advantage. And so it was that Justin

00:03:53.600 Trudeau simply nationalized the debates commission and took it over. I mean, he created it and he put

00:04:01.020 his handpick people to run it, including bizarrely personal friends like Craig Kielberger from the corrupt

00:04:07.920 Kielberger family. Remember them? There was also a far left environmental activist, a lobbyist named Megan

00:04:15.200 Leslie. He used to be an NDP politician. They put her on the commission. And the whole thing was run by

00:04:20.520 longtime Trudeau family friend David Johnston. In other words, it was packed with activists with an axe to grind or

00:04:28.140 just plain old Trudeau family friends. Again, a multimillion dollar government solution to a problem

00:04:34.060 that simply didn't exist. And the whole point of it immediately became obvious. The debates commission

00:04:39.300 didn't do a better job than the media did at staffing the debate or organizing the debate or scheduling the

00:04:45.020 debate or producing the debate. No, there was nothing better about it. In fact, there was little that was

00:04:50.780 different about it. Although with a global warming lobbyist on the commission, you knew in advance it would be

00:04:55.940 obsessed with global warming. No, the main difference, maybe the only difference, was that the debates

00:05:00.360 commission used its government power to ban journalists that Trudeau didn't like. It's that simple.

00:05:07.240 So in 2019, that's the first election after the debates commission was in force. They banned a small

00:05:13.060 number of independent media, including Rebel News and our friends at True North. And they were really

00:05:17.920 sneaky about it. They let us know at the last minute possible. I think it was on like a Friday and the

00:05:24.160 debate was, I think, on a Monday afternoon, if memory serves. So no notice, a surprise, ambush, and they

00:05:31.140 gave no reasons. So it was pretty obvious why. Well, you know what happened next? I've told you this story

00:05:37.120 before. It's one of my favorite stories. We lawyered up and so did True North. And it was a miracle. We

00:05:42.580 actually found a judge who was free on the Monday morning and a courtroom that was open and available

00:05:47.560 and stabbed. It was really a lot of things that went right. And the case was heard very early Monday

00:05:53.140 morning, if I recall, going from memory here, and mirabile dictu. Wouldn't you know there's a miracle?

00:05:58.860 The judge agreed with us that it was unfair. And that thing about being unfair is that if you are a 0.53

00:06:04.580 government, you have to be fair, especially if you're taking away freedom in the press. There's that

00:06:09.580 whole charter of rights thing. If this had been the Globe and Mail's private party, the charter would

00:06:15.400 likely not have applied. But it was the government's event. And the government has to follow the

00:06:20.180 charter of rights and you can't just ban journalists because you don't like them. So we won. And the

00:06:27.920 federal court ordered Trudeau's commission to accredit us immediately. Amongst the court's

00:06:32.720 findings were that the government didn't have clear rules. They didn't give us any good reasons for

00:06:36.840 banning us. The ruling from the debates commission was sent to us by just some guy, some rival reporter,

00:06:43.480 not even the debates commission itself. There was a lot of weirdness that the court didn't like.

00:06:46.980 So we got in. And it was glorious. Here's some of the questions we asked in the scrum back then.

00:06:53.720 Hi, Mr. Trudeau. Since your multiple use of blackface became an international scandal,

00:06:59.000 Canada's international reputation has been irreparably harmed. Have you reached out to

00:07:04.760 any African leaders or any leaders from the Middle East to apologize for your conduct?

00:07:09.280 Canada will continue to engage in a positive, constructive way around the world, standing up

00:07:14.320 for human rights, engaging with leaders right around the world? Because we know that promoting

00:07:20.600 our values and prosperity for everyone around the world is good for Canadians and creates better

00:07:27.500 opportunities for everyone. So that didn't answer the question at all. Have you spoken to any African

00:07:32.120 leaders or leaders from the Middle East to apologize for your personal conduct?

00:07:36.200 I have continued to engage with leaders around the world in a responsible way during an election

00:07:42.440 campaign. My focus is connecting with Canadians, as I was able to tonight. And I was very pleased

00:07:47.360 to see so many of the questions turned to the environment. In all sections, there was a clear

00:07:52.500 contrast between those on stage who don't think we should be fighting climate change and those

00:07:57.460 of us who do. And again, we are the only party with a clear plan to fight climate change.

00:08:02.680 So that was 2019. Well, the government hated that. Trudeau hated that. So instead of following the law,

00:08:10.540 he instructed his friends on the debate commission to reverse engineer an excuse for banning us. So

00:08:16.540 instead of waiting until the last minute to ban us, they did what the judge said and gave us plenty

00:08:21.700 of notice. Instead of having no rules, they had long and complex rules. Instead of giving us a one-line

00:08:27.780 reason, I think it was an 11-page reason we were banned. And a government official, not some random

00:08:33.540 guy, told us the bad news. So they took their 2019 court case, they read it carefully, and they said,

00:08:38.480 okay, so we did four things wrong. Let's fix all those so we can ban rebel news and not have a problem.

00:08:43.940 They must have spent hundreds of thousands on lawyers trying to patch up all the holes in their 0.97

00:08:48.640 2019 case for 2021, for the next election. And it looked pretty bleak. I remember our lawyer in 2021

00:08:55.000 told me we had no real chance, but of course, we fight anyways. And again, it was a miracle, just amazing.

00:09:01.580 The judge from the Federal Court of Canada, again, ordered the government to accredit us. It was like a

00:09:06.880 thunderclap. Trudeau himself was outraged.

00:09:09.340 The only reason that I'm allowed to ask you this question is because today the federal court ruled that the

00:09:15.200 government doesn't have the right to determine who is or is not a journalist. This is the second election in a row

00:09:21.660 that the court had to overturn your government. Do you still insist on being able to make that decision and why?

00:09:30.060 First of all, questions around accreditation were handled by the press gallery and the consortium of

00:09:37.480 networks who have strong perspectives on quality journalism and the important information that is shared with Canadians.

00:09:45.540 The reality is organizations like yours that continue to spread misinformation and disinformation on the science around vaccines,

00:10:01.460 around how we're going to actually get through this pandemic and be there for each other and keep our kids safe,

00:10:08.140 is part of why we're seeing such unfortunate anger and lack of understanding of basic science.

00:10:18.040 And quite frankly, your, I won't call it a media organization, your group of individuals need to take

00:10:26.960 accountability for some of the polarization that we're seeing in this country. And I think Canadians

00:10:34.060 are cluing into the fact that there is a really important decision we take about the kind of country

00:10:41.100 we want to see. And I salute all extraordinary, hardworking journalists that put science and facts

00:10:48.440 at the heart of what they do and ask me tough questions every day, but make sure that they are educating

00:10:56.120 and informing Canadians from a broad range of perspectives, which is the last thing that you guys do.

00:11:02.520 Oh well. And then the next election came around 2025, a few months ago, and we applied again for accreditation

00:11:11.060 and another miracle, three miracles in a row. The Debates Commission didn't actually try to stop us.

00:11:16.180 They knew that if they dared to stop us, they would be defying the courts once, twice, a third time.

00:11:23.900 Imagine banning us in the face of two court rulings. The judges would be furious with them. So they just

00:11:32.340 surrendered to us and allowed us to have our journalists. And it was wonderful. And the other

00:11:37.480 media were outraged. Oh my God, they were so mad, but tough noogies. I mean, once every four years, we get

00:11:43.760 to ask the prime minister a question. It's good for him. But boy, did the liberal media howl. Literally, they

00:11:49.360 shouted. They shouted at our reporters when we asked the question. The microphones didn't really pick it

00:11:54.180 up. But when Drea Humphrey asked this question, other reporters started shouting at her. The 1.00

00:11:59.400 atrocious liberal hack, Justin Ling, trying to shout down a woman. Here's Drea's question. 0.93

00:12:05.920 Hello, Mr. Singh. Drea Humphrey with Rebel News. Your party takes great pride in standing against hate,

00:12:12.220 such as white supremacy, Islamophobia, and all that. Sorry, I didn't get your outlet.

00:12:16.140 Drea Humphrey with Rebel News. Okay. You know where I'm going to go with this, though, right?

00:12:22.260 Can I speak? Yeah, you can. I'm just going to say you know where I'm going to go with it, though.

00:12:25.200 Wow. Your party takes pride in standing against hate, such as white supremacy, Islamophobia,

00:12:30.560 and online hate speech. Yet you stay silent about ongoing attacks against Christians,

00:12:36.520 even after conservative MP Jamil Javani's order paper question revealed that over 200 churches

00:12:42.440 have been targeted by arson and vandalism since claims of remains being discovered at former

00:12:48.400 residential schools swept the nation in 2021. These claims have been disproven by bans that

00:12:54.940 excavated and remain unproven by those that have not. Will you condemn the rise in acts of hate

00:13:02.280 against Christians today and explain what your party will do moving forward to keep Christians safe

00:13:08.860 from hate in Canada? Again, thank you, but I'm not going to respond to an organization that

00:13:14.020 promotes misinformation and disinformation like Rebel News, so no, I'm not going to respond to your

00:13:18.640 question. Wow. What she said had no misinformation in it. Perhaps you didn't hear me. Over 200 Christian

00:13:27.200 places of worship have been attacked in Canada since 2021. Many served First Nations communities,

00:13:33.360 many were historic, and they diverted police and resources and put others at risk. What do you say

00:13:41.960 to Canadians who see your refusal to answer, especially from one of the few media outlets here

00:13:47.120 that are not funded by the state as proof that a vote for you is a vote for a dangerous radical party

00:13:53.880 that gaslights the public into thinking it stands against hate when its silence is instead emboldening

00:13:59.700 Christophobia? Your question is another example of why I don't respond to agencies like Rebel News

00:14:06.080 that promote misinformation and disinformation. And later on, that wicked liar at the CBC, 0.91

00:14:11.800 Rosemary Barton, just couldn't stand the fact that Drea gets to ask one question every four years. 1.00

00:14:18.160 And in this case, it was that loser, Jagmeet Singh. You won't even, I mean, that loser, who cares? 0.99

00:14:22.800 I mean, he was, he's so unimportant, but oh my God, Rosemary Barton didn't want poor Jagmeet Singh to have 0.88

00:14:28.720 to answer a question from Drea. I think we have to sort of address the elephant in the room.

00:14:33.620 How are these people chosen to answer these questions? And I don't know if either one of

00:14:38.120 you have an answer for that, but I think there will be people at home saying, some of these seem

00:14:41.940 like odd questions. Some of them aren't getting answered. How come we've heard so often from this one

00:14:46.920 particular outlet? Any idea what's going on there? There's three right-wing, very right-wing

00:14:52.760 media, we can call them media, websites that are present in there. They get in line to ask a

00:14:58.480 question like anybody else. Their accreditation has been approved by the Commission of Debates,

00:15:03.340 and so they get the right to stand in line and ask a question that they choose to ask. In this case,

00:15:09.420 you saw Mr. Singh, and this has been his position for some time, to refuse to answer questions.

00:15:14.080 Rebel news in particular, traffics in misinformation, facts, lack of facts, and as you heard in that 0.94

00:15:21.180 question, which was woven with some truth and some things that weren't true. Yes, there have been

00:15:26.660 burnings of Christian Catholic churches. Yes, there have been remains of Indigenous children found

00:15:33.200 in various places around the country, which she misrepresented. We'll see if Mr. Poiliev gets

00:15:38.260 any questions from right-wing organizations. I would suspect no. Okay.

00:15:41.480 Holy moly, does the regime media ever act like they own the place? And by the place,

00:15:46.640 I mean Canada. They shouted, they stomped their feet, and I mean that literally. It was sort of

00:15:52.000 amazing, but most of the rage from the regime media was not towards us. It was towards the

00:15:57.180 debate commission for not fighting us in court a third time. They kept saying, look, the debates

00:16:04.260 commission kept saying, look, the courts agree with Rebel News. We're going to lose if we fight them

00:16:09.680 again. What could they do? Indeed, and this guy, Michel Cormier, who sort of runs the debate

00:16:15.180 commission, he went from interview to interview just being pummeled by the regime media. I actually

00:16:19.560 felt a little bad for him. So time passes. The debate's over. Here we are. It's fall.

00:16:25.860 And this government debates commission releases their annual report, something that probably three

00:16:31.300 people in the whole country have read. But I'm one of those three people, and I want to read to

00:16:35.900 you a couple of fascinating parts of their report because it shows how awful these government

00:16:40.940 bureaucrats are. So this is the report. You can find it online. Can I read about a couple minutes

00:16:46.320 of it to you just to show you their thinking? So it's called 2025 Media Accreditation Policy. That's

00:16:53.800 what I'm reading from. It's halfway through the report. Given the judicial decisions in both 2019 and

00:16:58.520 2021, the commission determined that media representatives seeking accreditation for the leaders' debates in

00:17:03.800 2025 would be accredited based on their assignment by a media organization. For this purpose, the

00:17:09.340 commission's policy defined a, quote, media organization broadly as one that either produces

00:17:13.840 original news content related to coverage of Canadian or international political news or covers

00:17:18.600 political, social, and policy issues. The commission's media accreditation policy was published

00:17:24.220 in August 2024 to ensure that organizations had ample time to review it in advance of applying for

00:17:29.360 accreditation. The policy also stated that participation in the post-debate press conferences

00:17:35.400 would be limited to one reporter and one still photographer per media organization in order to

00:17:40.500 allow participation by as many different media organizations as possible. Now it gets fun. Rebel News took

00:17:47.580 the position that each of its five stated divisions, you know the five Rebel News divisions, don't you?

00:17:52.600 Rebel News Canada, Rebel News French division, that's Alexa Levine-Guillaume-Groix. Rebel News' Ontario division,

00:17:59.800 that's our buddy David Menzies. Rebel News' Prairie division, that's our friend Sheila Gunn-Reed. And Rebel News'

00:18:04.660 West Coast division, well that's Drea Humphrey, don't you know, was a separate media organization and 0.84

00:18:10.160 threatened legal action to obtain urgent injunctive relief if one reporter from each of these divisions was not

00:18:16.360 allowed to participate in the press conferences. Well of course we did, for the same reason that the CBC

00:18:25.080 had their English division and had their French division and all of their dozens of staff there. Do you

00:18:30.600 really think we're going to restrict ourselves to just one reporter and let the CBC state broadcaster

00:18:36.840 have like a dozen people there? No thank you, we're on par with them and the Debate Commission obviously

00:18:43.320 agreed since they approved it. Here let me keep reading. Given the previous cases and rather than

00:18:48.840 devote resources to responding to an urgent injunction especially on a compressed timeline,

00:18:54.040 the Commission agreed to provide five reporters from Rebel News with passes for the press conference

00:18:58.840 to ensure an equivalent level of fairness to all media organizations. The Commission then provided

00:19:03.160 additional press conference access to other organizations based on the number of platforms or

00:19:07.320 outlets within their organization. For example, for the CBC this meant that rather than one reporter,

00:19:12.040 four reporters would have access to the press conferences, one each to represent CBC News,

00:19:16.040 its main network news programming, CBC News Network, CBC Radio and CBC.ca. So you see,

00:19:21.800 we had the same status at the CBC. Fair is fair. They hated that. They normally get, there's so many CBC

00:19:29.000 staff there, it's so gross. So we just want to be treated equally and they agreed. So here's where they

00:19:34.120 start to whine because our people got in line to ask questions sooner than the other media who I might say

00:19:40.200 are just a teeny tiny bit lazy. So here's what they said about the fact that we got in line.

00:19:46.520 The 2025 debates generated heightened media interest. Just over 200 applicants from 60 organizations were

00:19:52.520 accredited, representing a 30 percent increase from 2021. During the French debate, the first of the two

00:19:57.720 debates, representatives from one media organization asked four of the 16 questions that time permitted,

00:20:03.400 limiting the opportunity for other media organizations to ask questions. Yeah, so did the CBC. What's your

00:20:11.160 point? Get in line. I mean, just stop lazing about. Frustration over this imbalance. Frustration by whom,

00:20:19.160 buddy? Combined with the difference of opinion about who should and should not have received

00:20:23.960 accreditation. Well, who cares about? Who cares? Escalated the following night of the English debate.

00:20:30.360 The ensuing disruption in the press room ultimately resulted in the commission's decision to cancel the

00:20:35.320 leaders press conferences following the English debate over concerns that a respectful and functional

00:20:40.840 environment for the leaders could not be guaranteed. Translation, other media started to shout at us.

00:20:46.200 So instead of letting us ask more questions along with the rest of the media, they just shut the whole thing

00:20:50.520 down. They came up with a lame excuse, a respectful and functional environment. What does that even

00:20:55.160 mean? Our questions were perfectly respectful. It was the regime journalists who were condemning us,

00:21:00.440 heckling us, shouting at us. And it was that loser Jagmeet Singh who was so disrespectful to Drea. But it was 0.95

00:21:06.200 the debate commission's only way to stop us from asking more great questions was to ban everyone, shut the whole

00:21:12.680 thing down. Now, I think you know all this because we told you about it while it was happening. It was

00:21:18.200 extremely exciting. But here's the news part. Here's the go forward. Here's how the debate commission

00:21:24.440 handled the fact that they're just not allowed to block us. The courts won't let them block us.

00:21:29.720 They know the courts would shred them. So here's here's the summary of the whole thing going forward.

00:21:36.360 This is the news in their report. Options for the next debates. Media coverage of the debates, both

00:21:42.360 immediate and in the days following, amplifies their impact and extends their reach. However,

00:21:47.240 if reporting focuses on events in the media room, Canadians are less likely to focus on what the

00:21:52.200 leaders said during the debate itself. Controversy which overshadows the debates themselves is not in

00:21:57.800 the public interest. The commission is committed to keeping the focus and intention centered on the

00:22:01.880 debates. That's just some made up thing. Oh, Canadians can't handle learning that regime journalists 0.93

00:22:10.920 shouted down the rebels. So, hey, keep your focus over here. That's what? I mean, even if that were

00:22:17.160 true, so what? If politicians say something strange or powerful or interesting, or if they get an

00:22:22.760 interesting question to them in the scrum, why should that not be the news? Why is it the commission's job,

00:22:27.800 government bureaucrats, to make sure people focus only on what the government wants them to focus on? 0.67

00:22:32.920 They're sure that better not be a controversy in the election. Oh my gosh, we can't have a controversy in the

00:22:38.520 election. That's the last thing we want in the election. Anyways, let me get back to their report.

00:22:44.600 Following the 2025 debates, the commission faced a number of fundamental questions. Should the commission

00:22:50.120 continue to manage media accreditation? Should the commission continue to manage the post-debate press

00:22:55.400 conferences for the media to engage in the leaders following each debate? Should the commission be

00:23:01.320 involved in trying to define journalism? Now, I'm going to skip ahead a bit. There was no consensus on

00:23:07.800 any of the issues related to media accreditation and the press conferences of party leaders,

00:23:12.040 nor was there a consensus on what constitutes a media organization, what defines journalism,

00:23:16.280 or what is a journalist. Some stakeholders noted that journalism is not a regulated profession like

00:23:21.160 law or medicine, and that there is no legal definition for journalism that can be upheld in court.

00:23:25.800 That's true. In fact, that may have been us who said that. Now, you'd think this is where the

00:23:30.920 government bureaucrat might have a little bit of self-awareness and say,

00:23:34.040 so what are we doing here again? Why are we in this position? What possible benefit has there been

00:23:41.160 to the public by putting us in charge? The one thing we were hired to do? Censored journalists on

00:23:47.080 behalf of Trudeau and now Carney has been found to be illegal. Let's just shut her down. Are you kidding?

00:23:52.360 These are bureaucrats. Let me read what they decided. Commission's recommendation, after carefully

00:23:58.280 considering the feedback received, the commission recommends that it should continue to accredit the media

00:24:03.320 and provide them with working spaces and facilities for live broadcasts. However, the commission should

00:24:10.600 not provide facilities for on-site press conferences by party leaders. Parties may organize their own

00:24:16.520 press conferences at another location if they wish. As in, the government is now going to shut it all

00:24:23.480 down, all the questions, because they can't handle the criticism of Rebel News by the regime journalists.

00:24:29.320 Because Rebel News has four questions, apparently, instead of three, or whatever they think is the

00:24:34.440 right number. Because other journalists shouted at Drea. So they're panicking. They're simply going

00:24:39.800 to eliminate journalistic scrums afterwards altogether. They can't do their job. They don't know how to

00:24:45.400 handle it. They hate the mean girls of the media party. They're just going to abandon their work, but 1.00

00:24:51.720 still get paid, of course. The whole public rationale of this Debates Commission, if you believe it,

00:24:57.400 which I don't. It was all about censoring Rebel News. The whole public rationale was to have maximum

00:25:02.840 exposure, maximum transparency, maximum participation, maximum viewership. You'd think they'd therefore

00:25:09.000 accredit maximum journalists. But too many people at the CBC and the rest of the regime just hate us so

00:25:15.800 much and bullied the commission's boss so much. Seriously, he was abused by every other journalist

00:25:21.000 there for daring to accredit us, even though he had no choice in the matter. So they're just nuking 0.92

00:25:25.640 the whole thing. As in, they would rather burn the whole village down. They would rather destroy the

00:25:31.400 entire scrum, the entire part where journalists get involved, rather than let us ask questions of Rebel

00:25:36.520 News. They pretty much put it that way. They note that the other journalists shouted at us, were

00:25:41.960 ill-behaved. They reject us. And we saw that, how they just swarmed the Debates Manager for daring to

00:25:49.320 let us in. So they pretty much say it out loud, quote, while the commission could seek to organize

00:25:56.920 and manage press conferences with clear and enforceable rules, for example, limiting the number

00:26:01.640 of questions per media organization, a system for who gets to ask questions, and a code of conduct to

00:26:07.480 manage these rules, rules alone may not be sufficient to guarantee a respectful

00:26:11.720 and functional environment, and could lead to contention and litigation over their imposition.

00:26:17.240 Now, I'm not exactly sure what that means, other than the obvious, because they or the regime media

00:26:24.600 can't handle Rebel News being allowed in there. They're just deleting it. They're just, they're just,

00:26:30.760 they're just stopping that. They have a monopoly in debates. It's not like there's anyone else that's

00:26:35.400 going to have a debate. So we gave the monopoly, and it's too tough for them. It's too hard. So they're

00:26:41.240 just going to cut it in half. The fun part was asking the questions of the leaders afterwards.

00:26:48.520 But this all suits Mark Carney just fine, doesn't it? I've always said there will soon only be two

00:26:54.440 kinds of journalists in Canada, those paid by the government and those banned by the government.

00:26:59.480 We're getting closer to that every day, aren't we? Stay with us for more.

00:27:14.200 Well, it's just days away from the election of a new mayor in New York City, and normally

00:27:19.880 city mayors are not the substance of Rebel News diatribes. I mean, really, a mayor is very limited in

00:27:27.480 power, isn't it? But the mayor of New York City is different. Of course, New York City is an enormous

00:27:32.520 place. Their police force alone is a major counter-terrorism unit when you think about it.

00:27:38.600 But more than that, the city is so symbolic. It's a symbol of freedom, of capitalism, and ever since 2001,

00:27:46.200 the symbol of resisting Islamism. But it looks like the next mayor of New York City will be an Islamic, 0.99

00:27:54.200 I'm not going to say fundamentalist, because I don't think he practices the Islamist lifestyle,

00:27:59.240 but he is a combination of an alienist, Islamist, and a communist. And we'll see if my characterizations

00:28:08.280 are accurate in the weeks ahead. But I would say that he is in the mold of Sadiq Khan of London,

00:28:14.840 maybe even of Olivia Chow in Toronto. I think more than anything, he wants to erode the American-ness

00:28:23.400 of New York. And that is why it's of interest not just to all Americans, but to people around the

00:28:27.880 world who love New York City and America. I've heard him called the leading figure in the Democratic

00:28:34.600 Party, and perhaps a portent of what's to come. Joining us now to talk about this in the United

00:28:39.240 States is our friend Will Chamberlain, who is Senior Counsel for the Article 3 Project. Will,

00:28:44.360 I don't want to be too dramatic, and I don't want to overstate things, because I don't need to,

00:28:47.720 because I think the facts are strong enough. I don't think Zoran Mamdani is a deeply observant

00:28:54.680 Muslim on his own. But I think he sees Islam as a battering ram against America the same way he sees

00:29:01.240 socialism as a battering ram against America. And I think he's basically will take a coalition of

00:29:06.680 everyone who's against America, and it just happens that he's Muslim. I don't think that actually colors 0.98

00:29:13.240 his attack. I think it's just another tool in his quiver. What do you think of Zoran Mamdani?

00:29:18.280 I think that's the right way to look at it. I think he's a third-world leftist,

00:29:21.320 is the way to understand it. And if he were a third-world leftist who was any different religion,

00:29:26.440 his politics wouldn't really be that different. Maybe they'd have less overt sympathy for Hamas,

00:29:32.360 but I don't think that's the driving force of his politics. I think the leftism is the driving

00:29:36.360 force of his politics. And you can see that in terms of what is he animated by. And even today's

00:29:45.400 statement, I think the one that came out that was super viral today, the one this morning where

00:29:48.760 he's talking about if the boot on your throat is that of the NYPD that's laced up by the IDF,

00:29:54.280 that fits into the broader third-worldist leftism that we see all over the world at this point.

00:29:58.520 This anti-police, anti-authority politics that also finds resonance in the struggle or the resistance

00:30:07.800 of Hamas. Yeah, if you look at the two opponents to Mamdani in this election, there used to be a

00:30:13.640 third one, the incumbent mayor. But there's Mario, sorry, no, I was going to say Mario Cuomo. The son

00:30:20.520 of Mario Cuomo, an old-time Paul, Paul used to be the governor of the state, is running. But he feels

00:30:27.000 old and he feels a little bit corrupt, the charges against him. And then you have Curtis Sliwa,

00:30:31.240 who's sort of a radical cram fighter. He was the founder of the Guardian Angels, I think,

00:30:35.880 if I got the name right, that would sort of ride the subway. So I think the split on the vote on the

00:30:41.240 right is certainly going to help. But I keep looking at the attacks mounted against Mamdani and I keep

00:30:49.000 thinking those are not going to work. Like making fun of him for being a socialist, making fun of him for

00:30:54.280 being a silver spoon socialist, for fibbing, for being a bit of a con man and a bit of an actor.

00:31:01.400 I think those arguments would work on people like you and me. But I think so much of his base just

00:31:06.440 says whatever it takes, just be a wrecking ball. If you have to lie, if you have to be a dramatic actor,

00:31:12.520 if you have to be different people in different moments, like his accent changes. Sometimes he's black,

00:31:18.600 sometimes he's East Indian, sometimes he's good old American, like I things that would normally make 1.00

00:31:24.760 you and I say, Oh, this guy's this guy's a slippery fish. It seems to me that those will not work on his

00:31:30.520 base, because they know who he is. And they say whatever it takes, man, just just get the job done

00:31:37.000 and detonate this place. They're sort of nihilistic in that way. That's how it looks to me. I'm up here in

00:31:42.520 Canada, though. What does it look down there in the States? I mean, he's going to perform about as

00:31:47.880 poorly as any Democratic Party candidate for mayor has in the last 25 years. I mean, you can go back

00:31:52.600 to Eric Adams, Eric Adams won 67% of the vote in the general election. Mandani is probably not going

00:31:57.400 to get a plurality, even if he does win. And so there's and Cuomo having lost a primary is still

00:32:03.560 going to come in and pull 40 for 30 to 40% of the votes. That's still, that's a remarkable lack of

00:32:08.600 confidence in the guy. I mean, New York is such a heavily Democratic city. And for in a general

00:32:12.760 election, a guy to win the Democratic candidate, the Democratic Party candidate to win with less

00:32:17.320 than 50% is a pretty significant blow to his general appeal. But I think that of that 50%, yeah,

00:32:24.920 there's just a lot of people who are always going to vote for the socialist, there's a huge contingent

00:32:28.440 of socialists in New York City, it's a remarkable percentage. And I think a big part of the problem,

00:32:33.960 if you will, is, is that a lot of the sort of moderate Democratic voters who might have voted

00:32:39.960 for a Cuomo or fought harder against Mandani in the primary, they left, they left in COVID,

00:32:44.360 they left for Florida, they left for North Carolina. So what you end up having left in New York is is

00:32:49.000 kind of a more hardcore Democrat. And so I think that the city is somewhat doomed to be run by the hard

00:32:55.880 left for for the foreseeable future, which is not good for New York City, it's not good for the United

00:32:59.800 States. Yeah, I mean, it's he really has radical positions, like he's a big defund the police kind

00:33:06.520 of guy. There's a social media post by him where he gives the finger to Christopher Columbus's statue,

00:33:14.200 like so all these things sort of make people say right on. And so I think they forgive this policy

00:33:20.200 or that policy. One of the attacks Andrew Cuomo made on him is that Mamdani really hasn't actually

00:33:25.480 done anything. He's just he's been in political life. He's been a talker. He's never run anything.

00:33:31.720 And again, I think that's true. But I think his base does not care. I mean, they're not they're not

00:33:37.320 voting for a doer. They're voting for a symbolic smashing of the status quo. Am I too simplistic?

00:33:45.000 No, I think you're I think you're right. And I really don't believe that they've fully thought

00:33:48.280 through what the consequences of this will be. And it's not as simple as oh, we'll just we'll just tax

00:33:53.400 everybody in New York City a lot more. Well, then they'll leave. That's really easy. It's a city.

00:33:57.480 They can move. If we get the Republican to win in New Jersey, they can just literally move across

00:34:01.240 the river and go live in Newark or, you know, in Jersey City or in any of the New Jersey suburbs,

00:34:06.520 or they can move to Florida and North Carolina, which many of these businesses already did. A huge

00:34:10.440 amount of finance in New York City has already moved either to Charlotte, North Carolina, or down to

00:34:16.280 Miami and Palm Beach. So I expect that trend will continue. And it doesn't take too many of the wealthiest

00:34:22.040 people in New York City to move for there to be a massive gaping hole in the New York City budget.

00:34:27.000 I think the budget of New York City is something like double the entire budget for the state of

00:34:31.240 Florida. It's an enormous, enormous budget. And that's already being allocated to any number of

00:34:38.120 different social programs. Mumdani's ideas of universal childcare for everybody, that only works

00:34:42.360 if you keep the billionaires in your city. If they leave, you don't have the money for it.

00:34:46.840 Yeah. I don't know if you know this, because I'm sure it's specific to New York, but what

00:34:51.720 powers does the mayor have? I know there are other city councilors who are vehemently against

00:34:57.240 Mamdani. And we've seen Trump himself say, a lot of money goes through the White House,

00:35:02.360 and I'm going to turn off the taps. I mean, remember, Trump in many ways is actually still

00:35:06.680 a New Yorker. Most of his real estate is there. Icons around the city are named after him. He lived there for

00:35:12.200 a long time. Between domestic opponents, like civic opponents, and Trump's aggressive executive orders,

00:35:24.040 and maybe the Department of Justice trying to thwart some of the racial favoritism that Mamdani

00:35:31.240 proposes, do you think he's going to be able to do some of the dramatic things he poses? Does he have

00:35:37.720 the power to do a lot of the things he's promising? Or does that get watered down in Tammany Hall politics?

00:35:45.080 I don't know, actually. This is where my lack of familiarity with New York City's specific laws is

00:35:50.040 going to hurt me. I don't really know the answer to the exact division of power between the city

00:35:53.960 council and the mayor in that city. I would suspect that the city council will do what the mayor wants.

00:35:58.680 I don't think they want the DSA marching outside their houses, so I suspect that he won't face a lot

00:36:03.240 of internal resistance in New York City proper from the other politicians there. I will say,

00:36:08.760 I think he'll get a lot of resistance from the federal government. Remember, Donald Trump is a

00:36:12.920 New Yorker. He's not going to be happy about seeing the city where he spent most of his adult life

00:36:17.400 turned into some communist hellhole. I think that there's going to be real resistance from the Trump

00:36:22.200 administration to continuing to fund what New York City is doing if they're going to act like idiot 1.00

00:36:27.720 socialists. I think that might be the ultimate constraint, that there's just a fundamental financial 0.99

00:36:32.040 constraint imposed by the government saying, if you don't behave normally, then what's going to

00:36:37.560 happen is we're going to cut off your funding. You said DSA. That stands for Democratic Socialist

00:36:43.160 Alliance. Is that right? Democratic Socialists of America. It's, I think, the soft communist political

00:36:49.720 party, political party, political faction of the Democrats. So they're the more radical left-wing

00:36:54.280 part of the Democrats. I don't know what the equivalent would be in the Republican Party, but this is

00:37:00.840 basically the vanguard pulling everything to the left. These would be the Bernie Sanders people,

00:37:06.440 am I right, or even further left than him? Yeah, as far left as Bernie Sanders and further,

00:37:11.960 there's no right-wing equivalent, honestly. There's no right-wing institution designed to

00:37:17.000 infiltrate the Republican Party, get its own candidates nominated in hard-right cities. There's

00:37:22.680 nothing resembling the DSA. The DSA resembles, if anything, the sort of American Communist Party of the

00:37:28.680 1940s and 1950s. You know, it's an infiltrating party and infiltrating force. They call themselves

00:37:33.880 socialists, but their politics are communist. Now, in other cities, Palestineism is a really 0.94

00:37:40.360 driving force. I spent some time in Ireland. I'm shocked by how many Palestinian flags I see there, 1.00

00:37:45.400 including draped on major buildings. Ireland couldn't be further away from Gaza. There are no 1.00

00:37:49.960 Jews in Ireland. It's just a very strange observation. Now, London is a little bit different. It's an enormous 0.98

00:37:55.560 number of Muslims. And I point out that in the last UK election, there were five or six seats

00:38:00.520 where independent candidates, not Labor Party, but independent candidates ran on a pro-Gaza platform

00:38:07.160 and won. They said, lend your vote to Gaza. And there were enough, in combination, Muslim activists 0.99

00:38:15.080 and woke anti-Brits to win, to punch through. Is that a factor in New York, or is it not

00:38:22.680 Islamified so much? I'm just trying to understand the factor of ethnicity as a cohesive voting block.

00:38:32.840 That's certainly a factor in certain parts of the UK. Is it a factor in New York?

00:38:37.800 Not yet. I don't think there's enough Islamists in the United States in anywhere except Dearborn, 1.00

00:38:42.840 Michigan, to really do that. And I think, I mean, that's a function of distance. It's a lot farther

00:38:47.240 away from the Middle East. We just don't have as many Muslim immigrants as a portion of our population.

00:38:51.800 I mean, I think it's 1% total of the United States. Now, what we are seeing in England is

00:38:57.560 very terrifying and a reason to restrict Muslim migration dramatically, for sure. 1.00

00:39:06.840 Last time I checked, the percentage of New Yorkers born in a foreign country,

00:39:11.240 correct me if I'm wrong, I think it was about 36%, which it sounds like quite a large number. And if you,

00:39:16.920 according to the polls, the foreign born ones who are now American citizens are much more likely to

00:39:22.760 vote for Mamdani. And that could be he's living the same experience as us. He'll be a deflector of 0.86

00:39:30.120 racism. Although I don't think credibly any of the candidates could be called anything close to racist

00:39:35.800 in New York. I just think that maybe there's a sense of affiliation where he knows what we're about.

00:39:41.560 I don't know. But I know that Canada, we have a number of cities where the number of foreign born

00:39:48.200 citizens is over 50%. There's one city near Toronto called Brampton that is 59%. What does it mean

00:39:58.040 to be a country, a nation? The root word is to be born, natal. Can a nation have a cohesive identity

00:40:07.480 and a culture and a patriot patriotic unity if a third or a half of its members are new arrivals?

00:40:17.320 Can that work? Has it ever worked before?

00:40:21.720 No, not as far as I know. I don't see how it could conceivably work. I think that you need some sort of

00:40:26.600 strong anchor in the center of a society that people are expected to assimilate into to make immigration work

00:40:32.040 properly. And immigration on that scale is devastating to a nation's cohesion, to patriotism, to the ability 1.00

00:40:40.200 of unity internally. It leads to massive sectarianism. I mean, we're already seeing that sectarian politics.

00:40:46.360 You know, for all the talk about dual loyalty for people who are supportive of Israel, you have people,

00:40:52.440 as you described, running on single-issue camp platforms, and the single issue being a conflict

00:40:59.960 a few thousand miles away from them, right? Lend your vote to Gaza. This is in Blackburn, England. 0.70

00:41:05.480 What does Gaza have to do with anything? Yeah. Yeah, it's very interesting to me. Now,

00:41:10.520 I don't know how the constitution treats where you were born, but I'm guessing that Zoran Mamdani

00:41:16.600 cannot run for president under the U.S. Constitution. You correct me if I'm wrong, because he's an immigrant 1.00

00:41:21.960 to America. That's correct. He's not a natural-born citizen. He was born in Uganda. He can't run for 0.99

00:41:25.960 president now. But putting that aside, he seems to be the most energetic force in the Democrats right

00:41:33.000 now. AOC, again, I'm in Canada, so I'm not consuming as much American content as you are.

00:41:38.840 It looks like AOC, she's not the rocket she was a few years ago. Gavin Newsom, he's trying a series of

00:41:47.560 things to become a national figure, but if I had to say who has the energy, the momentum, the money,

00:41:53.720 the narrative, the style, who's got the youth, the vigor, I disagree with him on just about everything,

00:42:00.520 but you can't deny Zoran Mamdani's got it. He's a hell of an actor, at least.

00:42:07.160 Yeah, so I quote that line from the big Lebowski, at least it's an ethos. The Democrats, as a party,

00:42:14.440 don't have much to run on, because if you think about it, they ran on Obama's presidency for a

00:42:19.800 long time, and most of that is overtaken by events or obviously a bad idea. I mean, Obamacare,

00:42:26.120 the health insurance market has failed. That's why we have this huge fight now over extending some

00:42:30.200 Obamacare subsidies. The Iran deal imploded and was proven unnecessary by Trump's strikes on Iran.

00:42:36.120 You name any part of Obama's legacy, and it's all dissipated. And so the mainstream Democrats don't

00:42:41.480 even really have a platform right now, and so they don't really know what they're for except

00:42:44.840 being against Trump. Whereas then you have somebody like Mamdani, a democratic socialist,

00:42:48.520 who knows what he wants. He wants communism. He has a platform. He has a program he wants to see

00:42:53.080 implemented. And that naturally, I think, draws energy out of their party away from the people who 0.84

00:42:58.920 are just kind of trying to perpetuate a legacy that no one really likes and even Democrats don't

00:43:04.680 really like very much. You know, Mamdani's family is interesting. His dad is a really radical left

00:43:11.000 wing professor, hates America, says so bluntly. His mom is actually a filmmaker. I think affiliated

00:43:17.720 with Disney, if I'm not mistaken. So he grew up in a radical household, but also a successful household

00:43:25.240 and a household where acting and reading roles and being dramatic. And he was a rapper,

00:43:30.840 for heaven's sakes. Like, he tried showbiz. And I think more than anything, he's a communist,

00:43:38.120 he's an anti-Americanist, he is Muslim, he is an immigrant, but I think his core is like Trudeau.

00:43:45.720 Trudeau was a dramatic actor who could memorize lines, who could fake empathy, who had a high,

00:43:52.040 you know, emotional EQ, as they would say. I don't even know if that's a thing,

00:43:57.080 but he could connect with people. I see that in Mamdani. And when people finally fell out of love

00:44:03.480 with Trudeau, they didn't just move from I like him to I dislike him. They moved from I like him to

00:44:09.080 I hate him because I now see what a charlatan he is. It was all the polling in Justin Trudeau's later

00:44:16.120 months was, do you like him or do you hate him? Not do you dislike him? I see the same trickiness,

00:44:24.360 the same obvious BS, like the male feminist BS or the I'm fine with the Jews BS. I just, 0.86

00:44:32.120 I think he's tricking a lot of young people, especially a lot of young women who find him

00:44:37.000 dreamy, just like Trudeau. And I think that if Mamdani wins, it's going to be because the vote is 0.70

00:44:45.000 split by the moderates and he's getting a lot of media attention and money. But I think it's because

00:44:49.640 he's bamboozled a lot of people. He's just a kind of, I don't know, grifter is the wrong word.

00:44:56.360 I think he's a dramatic actor who's bullshitting his way into power. What do you think?

00:45:00.280 Yeah, I think it's government by theater kid. You know, there's, there's a lot of that on the

00:45:05.080 democratic side of the aisle. And I mean, you know, you can get into office and then you got

00:45:09.960 to run the city of New York. And as he's never had experience running any kind of enterprise of

00:45:15.640 any sort, the biggest enterprise he's ever run is his campaign. That's it. He's a, he's, you know,

00:45:20.280 mid thirties has, has, I don't know that he's had a real job in his entire life and he's going to run

00:45:24.600 the city of New York. He doesn't understand the first thing about the city of New York. He became a citizen

00:45:28.920 seven years ago. That's it. I mean, he's no business running, running us even like a small

00:45:35.320 city. I think there's something to the, the way the ego involved in thinking he, he ought be the

00:45:42.440 mayor of New York. It's a, it's a remarkably egotistical position for him to hold.

00:45:46.040 Yeah. Well, they said a lot of those things about Sadiq Khan and he remains the mayor of London and

00:45:52.280 certainly he is putting a stamp on it. And again, is he Islamist? In some ways he is. It's more what 0.79

00:45:58.760 he tolerates than what he does. And of course he has his fanaticisms, whether it's environmental

00:46:05.000 extremism or softer on crime. I, I fear that what has happened to London, God forbid, may happen to

00:46:11.160 New York. Last question to you. You talked about how the ultra rich are mobile. Of course they are.

00:46:18.680 New York is, it's an enormous inertia, enormous center of gravity. It's been down before. I think

00:46:23.160 of the seventies, the bad old days before Rudy Giuliani helped turn it around. So New York has

00:46:28.600 some resilience, even though people might move away. Is that, you know, you know, that phrase,

00:46:36.600 an immovable object and an irresistible force. There's a lot of things in New York that will not

00:46:42.040 go easily. I mean, it's a city full of fighters. It's a, it's a high politics, high stakes city has

00:46:48.760 been for 400 years almost. Can it resist Zoran Mamdani and eject him? Or can he break New York 0.97

00:46:57.560 and make it mold to him? If you had to bet on it, will he be successful in transforming that city?

00:47:03.960 Because he wants to transform it. Yeah, I think so. I think I, I don't think the,

00:47:10.040 the same inertia is there. I think a lot more people will exit. I feel like it's a different world

00:47:14.360 than it was in the 1990s in terms of there being alternative cities and places to live. I think

00:47:19.560 the move to a lot of work being remote, being done over zoom, being done on the internet. I think it's

00:47:24.120 just the, the, the stickiness of New York, I think is, is, has gone down dramatically. I don't think

00:47:29.160 it's as important for people to stay there to do their work. And as a result, you know, if Mamdani really

00:47:34.440 does succeed in implementing his program, I think people will sit, sit and stand up and say, you know

00:47:39.160 what? The weather's better in Miami anyway. Yeah. Wow. You know, never forget that Detroit was once

00:47:46.440 the city in America with the highest industrial wage. It's hard to believe that, that Detroit

00:47:51.080 was the city everyone wanted to go to, to get rich. And it was politics that undid it. Will,

00:47:56.920 great to catch up with you. We've been talking to Will Chamberlain, the Senior Counsel of the Article

00:48:00.120 3 Project. You can follow their work at a3paction.com. Great to see you. Keep in touch. Let's talk after the

00:48:07.080 election. Absolutely. Happy to do it. Thank you very much. Well, there you have it.

00:48:12.040 Didn't mean to depress anyone. Stay with us. Your letters to me next.

00:48:24.360 Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me, by the way, uh, we like to pick our letters from

00:48:28.440 your comments under the show. Of course, only rebel news plus subscribers can make those comments.

00:48:33.080 So it's great to see familiar names. I see that, um, uh, Michael Guillory has a question. He says,

00:48:38.520 rather than using the powers entrusted to them for the benefit of Canada, you're talking about

00:48:43.240 the AC and trade talks, they've turned us into hostages of their agenda. Is there any way Canadians

00:48:48.920 can be set free to enjoy the wealth of natural resources, which can benefit many countries who've

00:48:54.680 asked to trade with us? That's the thing is I see Carney was in Singapore today. Singapore is a very

00:49:00.280 energetic place. It's sort of like Hong Kong, but not under the thumb of communist China.

00:49:04.920 They don't have a lot of natural resources there. They surely could benefit from our LNG natural gas,

00:49:11.400 probably from our oil as well. But Mark Carney is against those things because of carbon.

00:49:17.800 Don Harachek says, no oil and gas man speaks again. Yeah. Did you think that Mark Carney,

00:49:23.400 after spending 20 years going to war against oil and gas, and by the way, his wife is even more radical

00:49:28.440 than him? Did you, did you really think that maybe that suddenly he believes in oil and gas? Yeah,

00:49:35.000 not, not really. Um, on my interview with Sheila Gunn-Reed last night, Bruce Atchison says the large

00:49:41.080 crowd versus the naysayers proves that autonomy is possible in Alberta. It certainly is possible.

00:49:47.240 Now, whether or not there's enough momentum there to have a kind of Brexit is yet to be known. Brexit,

00:49:53.160 that's when the UK left the European Union. They had a few things going for them. First of all,

00:49:58.680 they had Nigel Farage, who was an eloquent speaker, well known, who campaigned full tilt. And he was,

00:50:05.080 he was a force of nature. I don't think the movement in Alberta has that. Second of all,

00:50:11.320 it was a very grand moment. People realized that this was do or die. The whole nation of the UK was

00:50:18.120 talking about it. Um, so, so there was a strong turnout and it was a very motivated turnout. I'm

00:50:24.760 not sure if that's the case on the ground yet. And, um, I don't know. It's, it was, it was an

00:50:31.240 impressive turnout. Will that turn into 51% of people voting in a referendum? Well, we'll see.

00:50:38.520 I tell you one thing. If Mark Carney blocks Alberta's oil pipelines, you might just see an independence vote

00:50:45.880 in Alberta. Well, that's our show for today until tomorrow on behalf of all of us here at rebel

00:50:51.720 world headquarters to you at home. Good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - October 28, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Ottawa vs. Rebel News： Our Battle for Election Debate Access

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