Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Pierre Poilievre gives a speech and a global warming kook heckles him

00:00:00.260 Hello, my friends. Very interesting speech by Pierre Polyev today, and an interesting

00:00:05.480 moment when a heckler stands up. We've got the video. I want you to see the video, so

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00:00:26.240 we don't take any money from Trudeau, and it shows. All right, here's today's podcast.

00:00:35.120 Tonight, Pierre Polyev gives a speech, and a global warming kook heckles him. It's April 11th, 0.54

00:00:41.140 and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:42.480 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:00:56.240 You know, the Canada Strong and Free Conference started today. It looks great. Our reporter,

00:01:04.260 Alexa Lavoie, is out there. It looks healthy. It used to be called the Manning Conference,

00:01:09.220 named after Preston Manning, and it started off great, but during the Harper years, it became more

00:01:17.520 and more, in my mind, about lobbyists trying to get angles to sell things to the conservatives. It felt

00:01:24.280 like it was really a lobbyist convention, not an ideas convention. Of course, Stephen Harper has

00:01:30.380 not been in office in nine years, and so the idea of lobbyists going to a conservative conference to

00:01:36.920 get access to power is moot. So I think the ideas are back, although people, I think, believe that

00:01:43.380 Pierre Polyev will, in fact, be prime minister within a year. Tony Abbott was one of the guest

00:01:49.740 speakers. He's a strong conservative. I was at an event with him earlier this week in Calgary,

00:01:55.380 and he referenced Rebel News. He knows who we are. Of course, Avi Yamini is our Australian star who

00:02:01.340 really covered the lockdown better than anyone else in Australia. I learned from Tony Abbott that he

00:02:07.740 himself, at his personal residence, was visited three times by cops who were investigating him

00:02:15.180 for breaking COVID rules. Isn't that incredible? He's a real freedom-oriented guy. Also at the

00:02:22.600 conference in Ottawa, Boris Johnson, the former British PM. I'm not sure he's really conservative.

00:02:29.380 He was the imposer of lockdowns. I'm not sure I would cheer that hard for him. All he's known for now,

00:02:37.780 though, I think, is Ukraine. And he is famous for being the one who scuppered a peace deal

00:02:44.620 between Russia and Ukraine that was being brokered by Israel. Why would he do that? As they say in

00:02:52.780 Latin, cui bono. Who benefits from that? My visit to the Ukraine pavilion at the World Economic Forum,

00:02:59.760 as you know, twice I've gone to the Ukraine pavilion to really listen to the Ukrainian side of

00:03:04.580 the story. And doing so has utterly convinced me of the horrors of that war and how dearly I wish the

00:03:13.700 war had ended a year and a half ago when that peace deal was being sewn together. How many thousands of

00:03:22.360 people, both soldiers and civilians, have died since then. I note that Chrystia Freeland, the liberal

00:03:29.000 deputy prime minister, who normally has nothing kind to say about conservatives, said this,

00:03:33.920 Welcome to Canada, Boris Johnson. You are a great defender and friend of Ukraine. Last year you told

00:03:41.860 Republicans they should support Ukraine. I hope Pierre Polyev and the conservatives can heed your

00:03:46.040 words and follow your example. It's weird that she's Ukraine-centric, not Canadian-centric. And I don't

00:03:55.240 know how supporting Ukraine manifests itself in 2024. I think finding a peaceful resolution that can

00:04:02.400 preserve Ukrainian territory and stop Ukrainian casualties. If I was dedicated to helping Ukraine, 0.54

00:04:10.340 that would be top of my mind. But even so, even if Chrystia Freeland has a different approach,

00:04:15.640 she can't help herself by turning Ukraine into a political weapon to use against her conservative 1.00

00:04:21.060 opponents. I mentioned before, Alexa Lavoie is there getting half a dozen interviews. I love the fact 0.98

00:04:28.680 that Rebel News is back. Not that we ever went away. I guess the better way to say that is

00:04:34.520 the conservative party is back. Under the timid, cowardly lion, Aaron O'Toole and Andrew Scheer before

00:04:43.180 him, the conservative party didn't like to talk to Rebel News. I think we're the same we've always been.

00:04:48.980 We ask questions in the name of our viewers. We answer to our conservative conscience. I really don't

00:04:54.480 think we've changed. What's changed is that the conservative party is actually conservative

00:05:00.440 again. So they're not afraid of actual conservative questions. It's a delight to hear Alexa having so

00:05:07.060 many interview requests met. There's good panels. I looked at the agenda. There's a panel on censorship,

00:05:16.020 censorship, a panel on global warming from the skeptics' point of view, fighting foreign influence,

00:05:21.980 etc. Looks like a substantive and genuinely right-wing event. I even see that Imperial Tobacco

00:05:30.140 has a hospitality suite. That shows that they're not as politically correct as they might be.

00:05:36.560 I want to show you a video clip that I saw earlier today. It's a heckler heckling Pierre Polyev

00:05:43.860 during his keynote speech at this conference. I want to play it for you, and then I have two

00:05:48.380 observations I'd like to share here. Take a look at the heckler who's then escorted out. I want you

00:05:52.920 to watch this clip. Take a look.

00:05:53.960 You want the wildfire?

00:05:56.540 Look at all these people.

00:05:58.040 Do I have a 40,000 to 400 people? Fight for fire!

00:06:15.560 Just press press press!

00:06:26.280 I think that heckler's pretty boring.

00:06:38.360 Just a non-player character, as the kids say.

00:06:41.960 Just reading the same script as any professional environmental protester.

00:06:46.040 I don't think she was interesting.

00:06:48.100 What was interesting is how young that crowd looked.

00:06:52.140 At first, I thought, what was this, a youth event or a youth meeting at the conference?

00:06:57.680 No, that's the conference.

00:06:59.300 That is the face of conservatives in 2024.

00:07:02.800 I compare that to any time I see a crowd shot for the NDP in particular.

00:07:07.980 The Conservative Party of Canada in 2024 is the party of young people.

00:07:12.720 And did you see that lady at the end eating an apple?

00:07:16.660 What was that all about?

00:07:17.960 Well, remember this amazing viral video from a few months ago?

00:07:22.500 The original apple eating video?

00:07:25.040 Taking the page of Donald Trump's book, but also...

00:07:27.340 What are you talking about?

00:07:28.140 What page?

00:07:28.780 What page?

00:07:29.220 Can you give me a page?

00:07:29.960 Give me the page.

00:07:31.140 You keep saying that.

00:07:32.180 In terms of turning things quite dramatically in terms of Trudeau and the left wing and all of this.

00:07:38.120 I mean, you make quite a, you know, it's quite a play that you make on it.

00:07:42.460 So, I'm just wondering.

00:07:43.940 I don't know what your question is.

00:07:45.700 Then forget that.

00:07:46.600 Why should Canadians trust you with their vote?

00:07:50.260 Common sense.

00:07:51.060 Common sense for a change.

00:07:55.380 We're going to make common sense common in this country.

00:07:58.480 We don't have any common sense in the current government.

00:08:01.920 You know, the guy prints $600 billion, grows our money supply by 32% in three years.

00:08:09.160 That's growing the money eight times faster than the economy.

00:08:13.640 No wonder we have the worst inflation in four decades.

00:08:16.780 I'm going to cap spending, cut waste, so that we can balance the budget and bring down inflation and interest rates.

00:08:22.840 You'll want to be able to pay your mortgage again.

00:08:24.460 You want to be able to afford rent.

00:08:26.060 Then you have to vote for Pierre Polyev because I'm the only one with a common sense plan that will bring back the buying power of your paycheck.

00:08:34.300 Just classic.

00:08:35.480 I sort of wish I was there.

00:08:37.120 Hey, let me leave you with three clips from Polyev's speech because I watched it and it was actually a pretty good speech.

00:08:44.960 First, I want to play a really long cut because it's one big idea woven into three parts.

00:08:53.020 Here is Pierre Polyev taking a battering ram to the snobby, condescending, elitist view that the liberals are better than you,

00:09:04.340 that they know what they're doing and you don't, that they're safe hands for the country,

00:09:08.360 that conservatives are like cowboys that can't be trusted.

00:09:11.960 Listen to this.

00:09:12.920 I think Pierre Polyev demolishes the Liberal Party and all of its enablers.

00:09:17.720 Take a look at this.

00:09:18.620 Don't go away.

00:09:19.160 I'm going to come back.

00:09:19.840 I know this is a long clip, but you've got to watch the whole part.

00:09:21.740 Take a look.

00:09:25.460 Merci beaucoup.

00:09:26.440 Who's ready to axe the tax?

00:09:29.280 Who's ready to build the homes?

00:09:31.560 Who's ready to fix the budget?

00:09:32.960 Who's ready to stop the crime?

00:09:36.900 J'allais commencer mon discours en parlant de mon plan de gros bon sens, de couper taxes, impôts, bâtir des logements, repérer le budget et stopper les crimes.

00:09:46.100 I was going to start my speech today as properly scripted by my team,

00:09:51.840 talking about my common sense plan to axe the tax, build the homes, fix the budget and stop the crime.

00:09:57.740 But I was interrupted by the testimony I just read from our very own Prime Minister just yesterday.

00:10:07.620 He said something incredible, although not so surprising.

00:10:11.740 Of course, what we're investigating is whether a foreign dictatorship interfered in our democracy in multiple elections to help him win.

00:10:22.340 A communist dictatorship seeking to keep in office someone who said he admires that communist dictatorship.

00:10:30.480 But his defense actually speaks for itself.

00:10:36.240 The Prime Minister was asked why he didn't do anything about this interference, even though he was warned in briefing notes,

00:10:45.120 is that he doesn't read briefing notes.

00:10:47.960 Now, we often don't believe the things that this guy says, but I think that most Canadians would believe that defense.

00:10:57.260 I think it's plausible that Justin Trudeau doesn't read documents that come before him.

00:11:04.060 In fact, I think it's likely that he doesn't read things that come before him.

00:11:08.380 And I think that that defense is interesting for three reasons.

00:11:11.800 One, because the ivory tower elites who support him and his ideology of concentrating all the power and money in their hands,

00:11:24.320 they always tell us how wonderfully sophisticated and cosmopolitan they are, how brilliant they are.

00:11:31.920 And that's why they're entitled.

00:11:33.400 They're experts, after all, right?

00:11:35.460 That's why they're entitled to decide for other people.

00:11:38.740 But yet they're prepared to support a guy who says he doesn't read.

00:11:44.540 It's like, he might be a know-nothing, but he's our know-nothing, right?

00:11:49.420 They support a guy who confuses decimals with decibels,

00:11:54.380 who says budgets balance themselves, even when they never do,

00:11:58.720 who says he doesn't think much about monetary policy,

00:12:02.880 admits he's not very good with numbers,

00:12:07.080 advises Canadians to pay for their tuition and their home renovations on their credit card.

00:12:16.800 And this is the bright light, the genius that they believe should be able to run the lives of mechanics

00:12:25.200 who are able to take apart an engine and put it back together with blindfolds on,

00:12:30.100 that the single mom who can balance her budget on a minimum wage salary needs advice on budgeting 0.96

00:12:38.320 from the guy who can't budget for himself.

00:12:41.740 That is the ultimate irony of the elitism,

00:12:45.140 is that these pseudo-intellectuals vest all their faith in this guy of all people.

00:12:52.520 The second thing that's so interesting,

00:12:55.000 And this came up, by the way, in his defense on another scandal,

00:12:59.140 when he had accepted a quarter-million-dollar free vacation

00:13:03.660 from someone who had met with him asking for,

00:13:07.560 and later received, a $15 million grant from his government.

00:13:12.120 The kind of cronyism that would get a small-town mayor put in jail.

00:13:17.040 But the defense the prime minister gave at the time was that in the meeting,

00:13:22.540 he didn't actually, it wasn't substantially important,

00:13:27.920 because he actually doesn't run the government.

00:13:30.540 He's a ceremonial figurehead.

00:13:33.220 And therefore, he didn't have any actual power over the government he heads

00:13:39.020 to give the individual what he was asking for in exchange for that famous free vacation.

00:13:46.040 Even though, in the prime minister's own open and accountability guide,

00:13:51.860 the machinery of government, and that's a quote,

00:13:54.820 is the exclusive responsibility of the prime minister.

00:13:58.380 Which brings me to the second reason why his

00:14:00.300 I-don't-read-my-briefing-notes defense is so interesting.

00:14:05.360 And it is this.

00:14:06.980 He wants all the power and none of the responsibility.

00:14:11.180 He literally wants to control the entire economy.

00:14:14.260 He wants to nationalize large industries with monstrous taxpayer-funded subsidies.

00:14:22.880 And yet he wants to print $600 billion without having any responsibility for the resulting inflation.

00:14:31.080 He wants to increase the cost of government without taking any of the blame

00:14:36.480 for the resulting interest payments that households must pay on their own debt after he drove up the rates.

00:14:43.860 He wants none of the responsibility for the fact that we have the slowest economic growth in the OECD over the next five years

00:14:51.500 and over the next 35 years after he promised all this spending was going to stimulate the contrary.

00:14:58.420 He wants to have total control over what you can see and say online to protect us all from these dangerous forces

00:15:06.540 that might influence our thinking if we are not protected by the angels in the government.

00:15:12.480 And yet, when there is actually a risk of manipulation by hostile and malicious actors,

00:15:21.620 like, say, a communist regime in Beijing, he can't even take the responsibility of reading his briefing notes.

00:15:29.920 This is the irony, the great irony of his leadership.

00:15:33.960 And one of the reasons why I think he's succeeded in doubling housing costs,

00:15:38.100 giving us the worst inflation in 40 years, sending 2 million people to the food banks,

00:15:43.360 8,000 people signing up for a Facebook group called the Dumpster Diving Network

00:15:49.420 because they now have to eat out of a garbage can after he drove food prices rising with his carbon tax.

00:15:56.520 He wants to control every aspect of your life.

00:16:00.300 And then when he ruins your life, he wants to take none of the responsibility for the ruin that he caused.

00:16:06.440 And the third reason why this testimony and this entire scandal is so consequential and indicative

00:16:18.880 is why the hell did a dictatorship, a communist dictatorship, on the other side of the world

00:16:26.340 consider it such a strategic imperative to keep this guy as prime minister?

00:16:32.360 What was their motive?

00:16:33.940 Why did they believe that they would be better off by having him as our prime minister

00:16:39.880 in at least two elections where they intervened to help him win?

00:16:44.280 Why?

00:16:45.200 Because he's good for Canada?

00:16:47.300 Or is it because he admires their basic Chinese communist dictatorship?

00:16:52.200 He admits that he admires Fidel Castro,

00:16:55.100 and his policy agenda would seem to point in that direction.

00:17:00.240 I thought that was actually a really good point.

00:17:02.460 The liberals always say they're better, smarter, professional-er.

00:17:07.420 They're not.

00:17:08.200 They've got a bit of an idiot as a leader.

00:17:10.440 The second point that Polly makes is that Trudeau's actually not even a liberal

00:17:15.780 in the real meaning, the true meaning, the good meaning of that word.

00:17:19.600 Look at this clip.

00:17:20.400 See, the thing is, it's not that Justin Trudeau is too liberal.

00:17:24.320 It's that he's not liberal at all.

00:17:26.620 He is deeply, deeply illiberal.

00:17:29.040 He uses the soft blue eyes and fluffy hair and fancy socks

00:17:41.880 and, more importantly, the historic brand of the Liberal Party built up

00:17:47.000 by such great leaders as Laurier and many more who followed him

00:17:51.960 as a cover for what is a radical departure from the Canadian way.

00:17:59.480 A radical departure that sees in every way that the people are to be made small

00:18:05.100 so that the government can be made big.

00:18:08.920 And we see the consequences of this.

00:18:12.680 You see, even if he were competent, it is not possible for any one person

00:18:18.540 to run 40 million other people.

00:18:22.320 It is simply not possible.

00:18:25.500 Humans are far too complicated.

00:18:27.240 Their interactions are far too numerous for one central authority,

00:18:31.160 no matter how wise and virtuous it claims to be,

00:18:35.200 to make all the decisions for them.

00:18:38.480 It has to leave them to make as many decisions as possible for themselves.

00:18:43.440 Worse yet, the only thing worse than having some all-knowing elite

00:18:49.020 try to control everybody's life

00:18:50.720 is to have someone doing that when he doesn't even read his briefing notes.

00:18:55.820 Just one last clip I want to show you.

00:18:58.600 Here's Polyev talking about rescinding censorship laws.

00:19:03.340 That kind of freedom is what Canadians have always come to expect.

00:19:08.080 It is what has always worked.

00:19:09.980 And so we will repeal the censorship laws, C-11.

00:19:13.280 We will require university campuses implement a respect

00:19:18.200 for Section 2B Charter Rights of Free Expression

00:19:21.960 as a condition of getting federal funding.

00:19:24.320 If you want to...

00:19:26.320 If you want...

00:19:30.820 If you don't like Jordan Peterson, fine.

00:19:32.700 Try debating him for once, because you can't shut him down.

00:19:36.000 You can't shut down people you disagree with.

00:19:38.460 You have to have open and honest debate,

00:19:40.800 which has always been the Canadian way.

00:19:43.400 Well, what do you think?

00:19:45.080 I think that this conference looks great.

00:19:47.700 It looks energetic.

00:19:48.920 It looks big.

00:19:49.940 It looks young.

00:19:50.720 It looks like it's on the march

00:19:52.540 compared to Justin Trudeau,

00:19:54.220 who looks, I don't know,

00:19:56.740 like he's got the cognitive power of Joe Biden,

00:19:59.720 like he's listless,

00:20:01.000 like he's playing old moves

00:20:03.760 that might have worked and been cool in 2015,

00:20:06.520 but don't really work in 2024.

00:20:09.200 You know, the other day,

00:20:10.440 he went to a grade school

00:20:13.220 where the kids were sort of prepped

00:20:15.520 by their pro-liberal teachers

00:20:17.760 and Trudeau was hiding around the corner

00:20:20.000 and he brought them free pizza.

00:20:23.480 Here, just take a look at this clip

00:20:24.880 that Trudeau put online the other day.

00:20:27.840 Okay, everyone,

00:20:29.000 can I have your attention, please?

00:20:31.580 Attention! 0.86

00:20:34.020 So, I know many of you are hungry,

00:20:37.380 and I have a very special friend,

00:20:39.120 the Generation Chosen,

00:20:40.460 who brought pizza today.

00:20:41.500 Yeah, I guess in 2015,

00:21:07.280 that would have been really cool and young,

00:21:09.040 but in 2024, it looks sort of pitiful.

00:21:12.780 Here's the prime minister

00:21:13.760 who anywhere he goes in public

00:21:15.800 is jeered and heckled.

00:21:17.560 The only place he can guarantee

00:21:19.160 that he has a warm reception

00:21:20.500 is grade school kids

00:21:22.280 who have been primed by liberal teachers

00:21:23.860 and he has to bribe them

00:21:24.880 with a slice of pizza.

00:21:26.600 And he still, of course,

00:21:27.640 uses his own camera crew

00:21:29.140 in case any of the kids

00:21:30.120 say anything unscripted.

00:21:32.580 Justin Trudeau,

00:21:33.880 I don't think that he's going to let go

00:21:36.040 of the reins,

00:21:37.340 and in a way, that's good

00:21:38.480 because he's going to drive his party

00:21:40.240 right into the history's dustbin.

00:21:43.040 Stay with us.

00:21:44.220 An interview with Robert Krejcik is next.

00:21:54.440 The province of Alberta

00:21:55.820 is the fourth largest province by population.

00:22:00.120 Ontario, Quebec, and British Columbia

00:22:01.720 are larger.

00:22:02.460 But I think Alberta is outsized 1.00

00:22:05.600 when it comes to political importance.

00:22:08.200 It has a very strong political ambition.

00:22:11.920 I think it is as important that way

00:22:14.160 as Ontario,

00:22:15.860 the industrial and political heartland

00:22:17.920 of the country,

00:22:18.520 and Quebec,

00:22:19.520 with its own particular ambitions.

00:22:21.960 Alberta is where things start,

00:22:24.240 believe it or not,

00:22:25.000 not just the Reform Party,

00:22:27.140 not just Ralph Klein

00:22:28.160 and those kind of ideas,

00:22:29.700 but in so many ways,

00:22:31.340 the NDP,

00:22:32.280 the CCF,

00:22:33.540 they were founded in the prairies,

00:22:35.500 often in Alberta too.

00:22:37.520 And so it's no surprise

00:22:38.800 that on the leading edge

00:22:40.760 of political movements,

00:22:42.240 Alberta is front and center.

00:22:44.160 Although the trucker convoy

00:22:45.760 was most famous

00:22:46.780 for what it did in Ottawa,

00:22:48.780 it emanated from the west.

00:22:50.740 And of course,

00:22:51.360 there was an echo convoy

00:22:53.360 down at the border

00:22:54.440 between Alberta and Montana

00:22:56.980 in the border village

00:22:58.180 called Kootz.

00:22:59.960 I was just in Alberta

00:23:01.060 the other day,

00:23:01.660 as you know,

00:23:02.260 at the carbon tax protest

00:23:05.120 west of the city of Calgary

00:23:07.620 that shows that fervid

00:23:09.820 political mentality

00:23:11.560 in that province.

00:23:13.140 Things are always cooking out there.

00:23:15.260 And so today,

00:23:15.980 we go down to Lethbridge

00:23:17.460 where the trial

00:23:18.560 of the so-called Kootz III

00:23:20.380 is underway.

00:23:22.360 And our reporter,

00:23:23.760 Robert Kraychuk,

00:23:25.000 is on the file.

00:23:25.900 He joins us live via Skype.

00:23:28.400 Robert, great to see you again.

00:23:29.640 Thanks very much for joining us.

00:23:32.040 Great to be with you.

00:23:33.000 You know,

00:23:33.540 I've been down there

00:23:34.380 at that same Lethbridge courthouse

00:23:36.400 a dozen times.

00:23:37.880 That's where so many

00:23:39.220 of these matters

00:23:39.940 are being tried

00:23:40.760 because it's the closest court

00:23:42.280 to that border village.

00:23:44.580 Can you give us an update

00:23:45.780 on the trial

00:23:46.620 of the Kootz III?

00:23:48.740 I was there personally

00:23:49.980 for the first day

00:23:50.820 when there was jury selection.

00:23:53.060 What's it been like

00:23:54.040 in the week or so since then?

00:23:56.760 Well,

00:23:57.280 I'll share with you

00:23:57.800 the most noteworthy

00:23:59.260 appearances that I've observed.

00:24:00.840 So,

00:24:01.520 the first is

00:24:02.360 the centrality

00:24:03.380 of Rebel News

00:24:04.760 to this trial.

00:24:05.860 And I don't just mean

00:24:06.640 the fact that

00:24:07.660 I'm the only one

00:24:08.860 in there day to day.

00:24:09.840 I've seen some other

00:24:10.740 media figures,

00:24:12.000 but they're not in there

00:24:12.940 with any sort of

00:24:13.580 meaningful consistency.

00:24:14.480 But the fact that

00:24:15.380 every single video

00:24:16.380 with maybe the exception

00:24:17.100 of one

00:24:17.620 that's been introduced

00:24:18.920 by either the defense teams

00:24:20.600 or the crowd

00:24:21.460 as either an evidence

00:24:22.860 piece

00:24:23.700 or an exhibit

00:24:24.360 has been a Rebel News

00:24:26.060 produced video.

00:24:27.680 Almost all of them

00:24:28.580 feature the Rebel News

00:24:29.760 watermark and logo.

00:24:30.940 So,

00:24:31.420 admittedly,

00:24:31.920 there's an aspect

00:24:32.400 of professional chauvinism

00:24:33.540 here because it's kind of

00:24:34.320 fun to see that

00:24:34.960 as a Rebel News guy myself.

00:24:36.980 But,

00:24:37.280 one adjacent point to this,

00:24:40.760 and I was just

00:24:41.320 contemplating this

00:24:42.260 this morning,

00:24:42.880 I realized how stunning

00:24:43.960 it was,

00:24:45.360 is that none of the

00:24:46.240 video evidence

00:24:46.900 introduced into the trial

00:24:48.280 or evidentiary exhibits

00:24:50.040 or just exhibits

00:24:50.720 on their own

00:24:51.200 that are still in dispute

00:24:52.040 have been provided

00:24:53.160 by the RCMP.

00:24:54.180 Now,

00:24:54.360 keep in mind

00:24:54.880 that the RCMP

00:24:55.800 had at least

00:24:57.280 four liaisons

00:24:58.500 deployed to the

00:24:59.760 Coutts

00:25:00.120 border blockade protest

00:25:01.860 across almost

00:25:04.000 its entirety.

00:25:04.720 And that was 2022.

00:25:06.660 This is not 100 years ago.

00:25:08.520 You would think

00:25:08.960 that body cams

00:25:09.940 and associated microphones

00:25:10.980 would be ubiquitous,

00:25:12.240 particularly for this thing

00:25:13.460 that was of such

00:25:14.280 high political importance

00:25:16.220 to the RCMP

00:25:17.500 and, of course,

00:25:17.980 the federal government.

00:25:19.140 So, again,

00:25:19.480 just keep that in mind.

00:25:20.320 I'm sitting there

00:25:20.920 in the courtroom

00:25:21.540 and every single video,

00:25:23.180 essentially,

00:25:23.760 that I'm seeing demonstrated

00:25:24.620 has got that Rebel News

00:25:25.700 watermark there.

00:25:27.200 And, again,

00:25:27.540 nothing being provided

00:25:28.660 by the RCMP,

00:25:29.900 which was there spending

00:25:30.940 tons of money

00:25:32.020 to investigate

00:25:32.960 or to observe

00:25:33.700 or to liaise.

00:25:34.720 However you want

00:25:35.140 to look at it.

00:25:36.460 That is very interesting

00:25:37.760 and I take a few

00:25:38.680 lessons from that.

00:25:40.780 One thing that's

00:25:41.640 on my mind

00:25:42.220 is

00:25:43.160 if it weren't

00:25:45.000 for Rebel News,

00:25:45.740 we wouldn't know

00:25:46.380 what really happened.

00:25:47.980 I think it was

00:25:49.160 similar but not

00:25:50.080 quite as dramatic

00:25:50.900 in Ottawa

00:25:51.640 because there were

00:25:52.440 some other

00:25:53.660 citizen journalists

00:25:54.660 on the ground there.

00:25:55.780 But for most of the time

00:25:57.000 in Coutts,

00:25:57.520 it was just

00:25:58.500 Rebel News.

00:25:59.460 There was a guy

00:26:00.360 from Western Standard

00:26:01.340 who was there for a bit,

00:26:02.400 but we were there

00:26:03.640 with the cameras

00:26:04.400 rolling full tilt

00:26:05.780 for more than a week.

00:26:07.360 So if Rebel News

00:26:09.360 had not been there,

00:26:10.580 the official narrative

00:26:11.860 would have been

00:26:12.440 the Trudeau narrative.

00:26:14.120 And so I'm glad

00:26:15.080 we were there.

00:26:16.080 The second thing

00:26:16.920 I take from your comments,

00:26:18.300 Robert,

00:26:18.940 is I'm skeptical

00:26:19.920 because the RCMP,

00:26:22.500 which was the main

00:26:23.400 police force

00:26:24.080 sent out to counter

00:26:25.220 the Coutts protesters,

00:26:26.320 is a high-tech force.

00:26:28.880 They have,

00:26:29.620 as you mentioned,

00:26:30.720 cameras.

00:26:31.480 They have hidden cameras.

00:26:33.100 They have technology

00:26:34.500 that ordinary people

00:26:35.540 don't have access to.

00:26:36.620 They have wiretaps

00:26:38.420 if they want them.

00:26:39.340 They have devices

00:26:40.140 that can scan

00:26:41.400 and hack

00:26:42.360 cell phone conversations.

00:26:44.400 They have their own drones.

00:26:46.260 And as we've learned

00:26:47.100 from Ottawa,

00:26:48.120 they could liaise

00:26:49.240 with the Canadian military

00:26:50.400 and even get military drones,

00:26:52.260 which I'm not sure

00:26:52.940 is even legally appropriate.

00:26:54.520 My point is,

00:26:55.640 they have more technology

00:26:58.380 in the mighty RCMP

00:26:59.920 than Little Rebel News

00:27:01.640 had in our cell phone cameras.

00:27:03.560 So I am skeptical, Robert,

00:27:06.440 that they have actually

00:27:07.720 furnished all of their evidence.

00:27:09.840 And it strikes me

00:27:11.540 as implausible

00:27:12.580 that they would have

00:27:13.620 this massive investigation

00:27:15.060 of the Cooch protest

00:27:16.500 and not record anything,

00:27:18.440 that it would all

00:27:18.860 just be handwritten notes.

00:27:20.360 I got to tell you,

00:27:21.840 I just simply don't believe it.

00:27:24.520 You're reminding me

00:27:27.120 of so many things.

00:27:27.960 Yeah, it's absurd.

00:27:28.620 So in the context

00:27:29.300 of the trial,

00:27:30.020 keep in mind that

00:27:30.780 these officers,

00:27:32.140 two liaison officers

00:27:33.380 that were there

00:27:34.960 in alternating shifts

00:27:36.480 at the protests

00:27:37.440 have to rely

00:27:38.620 on their memories

00:27:39.380 and notes

00:27:40.100 that they've written

00:27:40.860 or dictated.

00:27:41.860 And you cannot capture

00:27:42.920 all that.

00:27:43.880 It's a very fluid,

00:27:45.480 complicated,

00:27:46.380 long-form event

00:27:47.860 with all kinds

00:27:48.720 of happenings

00:27:49.300 and occurrences

00:27:49.880 and goings-on.

00:27:51.340 So to not use

00:27:52.680 inexpensive,

00:27:53.780 conventional,

00:27:54.540 modern technology

00:27:55.380 to facilitate

00:27:56.360 this investigation

00:27:57.400 on the one part

00:27:58.340 or on the other hand

00:27:59.160 and sort of,

00:28:00.400 let's say,

00:28:00.760 crowd control

00:28:01.540 their stated claims

00:28:02.660 that they were there

00:28:03.140 to maintain peaceful assembly

00:28:04.320 cannot be taken seriously.

00:28:06.360 And to your point

00:28:06.980 about the high levels

00:28:08.460 of technology

00:28:09.200 that the RCMP

00:28:10.240 and the federal government

00:28:10.980 more broadly have,

00:28:12.160 remember,

00:28:12.560 I was sent

00:28:13.100 to the first week

00:28:14.020 to report on this

00:28:15.320 report interference.

00:28:16.740 Sorry,

00:28:17.240 I hope the witness

00:28:17.740 busting your dream jobs.

00:28:19.220 And the Foreign

00:28:19.880 Interference Commission

00:28:20.780 had these senior

00:28:23.400 so-called

00:28:24.520 intelligence agency

00:28:26.180 officials,

00:28:27.620 head of CSIS

00:28:29.360 and some others,

00:28:30.240 some former RCMP guy,

00:28:31.800 speaking about

00:28:32.460 how they had

00:28:33.600 these capabilities

00:28:34.280 that you remarked on,

00:28:35.200 the ability to do

00:28:35.840 as you put in wiretaps

00:28:36.800 or interception

00:28:37.720 of digital communications,

00:28:39.160 all sorts of

00:28:39.760 really high-tech stuff.

00:28:40.740 And again,

00:28:41.100 the RCMP doesn't have

00:28:42.200 this sort of technology.

00:28:44.060 I also,

00:28:44.360 I'm with you,

00:28:44.740 I'm totally skeptical

00:28:45.420 that the information

00:28:46.280 or the evidence

00:28:47.420 as they put it

00:28:48.080 was furnished fully

00:28:49.320 that there's a real

00:28:49.960 transparent disclosure

00:28:51.100 here of what

00:28:51.660 they obtained.

00:28:53.000 Okay,

00:28:53.500 so we talked about

00:28:54.460 the nature

00:28:56.040 of the evidence

00:28:57.120 that it's mainly

00:28:57.940 in the form

00:28:58.480 of Rebel News videos.

00:28:59.860 I find that interesting

00:29:00.700 and like you,

00:29:01.460 I take some professional

00:29:02.580 pride from it.

00:29:04.280 I guess both sides

00:29:06.160 are trying to make

00:29:06.840 their case

00:29:07.420 using those same videos.

00:29:09.620 We were just

00:29:10.200 rolling cameras.

00:29:12.780 Tell me

00:29:13.460 how the trial

00:29:15.060 has progressed.

00:29:15.560 I was there

00:29:16.140 when jury selection

00:29:17.000 was made

00:29:17.580 and I thought

00:29:18.240 it was a very

00:29:18.760 interesting process

00:29:19.700 and, you know,

00:29:20.700 from what I recall

00:29:22.000 is there's a couple

00:29:22.740 of people

00:29:23.060 who are so young-looking

00:29:24.240 they might even

00:29:25.240 be in their late teens

00:29:26.560 and it goes all the way

00:29:27.960 up to people

00:29:28.480 who are probably

00:29:29.080 in their late 60s

00:29:30.200 or maybe even early 70s.

00:29:31.620 It is a diversity

00:29:32.860 by age

00:29:34.120 and by background

00:29:35.260 but it really does

00:29:36.400 feel like

00:29:37.020 Southern Alberta

00:29:38.180 and I'm glad

00:29:39.480 that it was a jury pool

00:29:40.680 in Lethbridge

00:29:41.520 because I know

00:29:42.200 that the prosecutor

00:29:43.240 had talked about

00:29:44.120 taking this

00:29:44.660 to a different city

00:29:45.540 like Calgary

00:29:46.820 which would have

00:29:47.620 given a totally

00:29:48.400 different jury pool.

00:29:52.340 It would have

00:29:52.740 not reflected

00:29:53.900 the community

00:29:55.200 in Southern Alberta

00:29:56.280 so I felt good

00:29:57.120 about that.

00:29:58.360 How has

00:29:59.080 the jury

00:29:59.860 seemed attentive

00:30:00.860 so far?

00:30:02.700 Have the lawyers

00:30:03.840 been communicating

00:30:05.240 in a way

00:30:05.820 that a lay person

00:30:06.920 can understand?

00:30:08.100 That's obviously

00:30:09.280 a challenge

00:30:10.420 because lawyers 0.52

00:30:11.000 use jargon,

00:30:12.560 they use technical terms,

00:30:13.900 occasionally they

00:30:14.620 even use

00:30:15.080 a Latin word.

00:30:16.700 Are the lawyers

00:30:17.440 conducting themselves

00:30:19.160 in a manner

00:30:19.800 appropriate

00:30:20.440 for a lay jury?

00:30:23.580 Okay,

00:30:23.900 so on the first part,

00:30:24.860 the first question

00:30:25.420 you asked about

00:30:26.000 the reactions

00:30:26.660 to the jury,

00:30:27.100 you've got to forgive me.

00:30:27.860 I'm sort of all

00:30:28.420 consumed about taking notes

00:30:29.560 and I'm not paying

00:30:30.300 particular attention

00:30:31.140 to whatever body language

00:30:32.560 or expressions

00:30:33.180 that they may be

00:30:34.620 expressing

00:30:35.280 so I can't comment

00:30:36.260 on that too much.

00:30:37.020 What I can say,

00:30:38.120 however,

00:30:38.640 in terms of

00:30:39.940 the second question,

00:30:41.180 yes,

00:30:41.780 the information

00:30:42.400 being presented,

00:30:43.260 the comments,

00:30:44.080 language,

00:30:44.620 remarks from

00:30:45.380 all lawyers,

00:30:46.740 both the Crown prosecutors

00:30:48.080 and the defense

00:30:48.940 counsels,

00:30:49.700 is very understandable.

00:30:51.240 It's very lay person

00:30:52.620 friendly.

00:30:53.080 There's nothing

00:30:53.380 really complicated there.

00:30:54.620 Any sort of legal jargon

00:30:55.800 is restricted

00:30:56.420 to these voir dires

00:30:57.320 where the parties

00:30:58.960 involved,

00:30:59.400 the lawyers and the judge,

00:31:00.300 understand that they've

00:31:01.120 got these legal pedigrees

00:31:02.200 that allow them

00:31:02.720 to understand this.

00:31:03.940 So yeah,

00:31:04.220 very, very accessible

00:31:05.000 information.

00:31:06.060 As far as how

00:31:06.960 the trial is going,

00:31:07.720 this is a sort of question

00:31:08.480 I think you were getting

00:31:09.360 towards.

00:31:11.560 The main bone of contention

00:31:14.000 or one of the primary

00:31:14.860 themes of the ongoing

00:31:16.140 testimony from the witnesses

00:31:17.800 that have been invited thus far

00:31:19.060 and I'll indicate

00:31:19.580 who they are to you.

00:31:21.080 Jim Willett

00:31:21.860 is the former mayor

00:31:22.740 of Cootes

00:31:23.220 and he was the mayor

00:31:23.860 of the town of the protest.

00:31:24.800 He was the first witness

00:31:25.700 and the second two witnesses

00:31:27.980 are two RCMP officers

00:31:30.460 that operated as liaisons,

00:31:32.320 like I was saying earlier,

00:31:33.920 at the protest

00:31:34.640 as two liaises

00:31:35.300 between the RCMP

00:31:36.140 and the protesters.

00:31:37.320 And the fourth one

00:31:38.240 who's in there right now

00:31:39.780 is a guy

00:31:41.220 who's sort of a higher level.

00:31:42.220 I'll say superintendent

00:31:42.900 I think is official title,

00:31:44.480 RCMP guy

00:31:45.040 who is a bit more distant,

00:31:46.040 not as much on the ground.

00:31:47.660 And the theme,

00:31:48.960 one of the central claims

00:31:50.860 of the prosecution

00:31:51.500 is that the three defendants

00:31:54.240 constituted the leadership

00:31:56.180 of the protest

00:31:57.540 and as such

00:31:59.980 had a degree

00:32:00.520 of influence

00:32:01.140 and control

00:32:01.980 and direction

00:32:02.660 over the protesters.

00:32:04.320 So a lot of the questions

00:32:05.380 that you're hearing

00:32:06.920 from either

00:32:07.820 the crown prosecutors

00:32:08.920 or the defense attorneys

00:32:10.500 to the witnesses,

00:32:11.460 and remember,

00:32:11.860 all the witnesses thus far

00:32:12.920 have been crown witnesses,

00:32:14.320 have been towards eliciting

00:32:15.680 whether or not

00:32:16.660 the defendants

00:32:17.740 had a degree of control.

00:32:19.340 And this is the most important part.

00:32:20.900 I'll give you

00:32:21.240 sort of the punchline.

00:32:22.620 There's been a lot of testimony

00:32:23.740 from all the witnesses

00:32:24.920 to the decentralized nature

00:32:27.520 of the protest,

00:32:28.280 which in my view

00:32:29.420 is at odds

00:32:30.360 with the central claim

00:32:31.860 from the prosecution

00:32:32.500 that these three men

00:32:34.160 had control

00:32:35.280 and direction

00:32:35.920 and influence

00:32:36.600 over the protesters.

00:32:37.620 I'll give you specifics.

00:32:38.840 The officers testified

00:32:39.880 to several factions

00:32:41.360 composing the protest

00:32:42.520 and that these different factions

00:32:44.400 within the protest

00:32:45.480 had strong differences

00:32:47.160 of opinion

00:32:47.700 over issues

00:32:49.000 of how to proceed

00:32:50.280 with the protest,

00:32:51.120 how to conduct themselves,

00:32:52.560 how to negotiate

00:32:53.520 with the RCMP

00:32:54.320 if at all,

00:32:55.160 how to conclude

00:32:56.160 the protest

00:32:56.760 if at all.

00:32:57.740 And they also testified

00:32:58.800 to moments

00:33:00.400 of difficulty

00:33:01.340 in, let's say,

00:33:02.580 managing,

00:33:03.100 or I'll use the word,

00:33:04.020 leading the protest.

00:33:05.240 Even Jim Willett,

00:33:06.140 this former mayor,

00:33:07.160 he used this phrase,

00:33:07.960 I think you were there for it.

00:33:09.220 He said that leading the protest

00:33:10.920 was like, quote,

00:33:11.860 herding cats,

00:33:13.280 indicating that, again,

00:33:14.200 it was hard to have

00:33:15.000 this degree of command

00:33:16.200 and control

00:33:16.720 that the prosecution

00:33:17.540 is alleging existed

00:33:18.620 on the part

00:33:19.500 of the defendants.

00:33:22.040 That's very interesting.

00:33:23.300 So it's been

00:33:24.220 a number of days

00:33:25.760 and like you say,

00:33:26.460 it's the Crown's witnesses.

00:33:28.240 So these are the witnesses

00:33:29.160 that the prosecutors

00:33:30.800 are bringing,

00:33:31.640 thinking that they

00:33:32.280 will elicit facts

00:33:33.560 that will condemn

00:33:34.360 the accused.

00:33:35.580 How are the accused

00:33:36.740 lawyers doing

00:33:37.920 in cross-examination?

00:33:39.420 I know two of them

00:33:40.920 quite well,

00:33:42.000 the lawyers,

00:33:42.660 I mean.

00:33:43.400 The other two,

00:33:44.360 I only know

00:33:45.060 from observing them

00:33:45.980 briefly in court

00:33:47.520 there in Lethbridge.

00:33:48.720 Are they aggressive?

00:33:50.380 Are they,

00:33:51.180 are there gotcha moments?

00:33:52.700 How would you describe

00:33:53.620 the defense lawyers?

00:33:55.080 By the way,

00:33:55.880 the Democracy Fund

00:33:57.440 is crowdfunding

00:33:58.500 all of the defense lawyers.

00:34:00.360 There's four lawyers

00:34:01.240 sitting in there.

00:34:02.320 All four of them

00:34:03.140 are being paid

00:34:03.780 by crowdfunding.

00:34:05.100 And by the way,

00:34:05.580 I want to just say

00:34:06.140 to our viewers,

00:34:06.920 if you want to chip

00:34:07.920 into those lawyers,

00:34:08.860 go to coots3.com

00:34:12.040 and your donation

00:34:12.840 will get a charitable

00:34:13.500 tax receipt.

00:34:14.240 I just wanted to throw

00:34:15.020 that plug in there

00:34:15.920 because you see

00:34:17.420 four lawyers.

00:34:18.660 I, in my mind,

00:34:20.060 say, oh,

00:34:20.540 four lawyers

00:34:21.100 billing every hour,

00:34:23.140 but this is an important

00:34:24.340 fight to win.

00:34:25.300 Sorry, let me put

00:34:26.000 that tangent aside.

00:34:27.080 How are the defense

00:34:28.180 lawyers doing?

00:34:30.040 Do they,

00:34:31.240 what's their approach

00:34:32.220 to the crown witnesses?

00:34:33.540 Are they aggressive?

00:34:35.520 Are they argumentative?

00:34:36.660 Are they sneaky?

00:34:39.180 How, how does it feel?

00:34:40.560 I just wish I could see it

00:34:41.800 with my own eyes.

00:34:43.540 Well, first,

00:34:44.500 I just want to continue

00:34:45.260 with your tangent.

00:34:46.500 This is money well spent.

00:34:48.380 And in my estimation,

00:34:49.640 I'm a lay person.

00:34:50.520 What I see in these lawyers

00:34:52.640 is extreme competence.

00:34:55.240 As far as the demeanor,

00:34:56.600 your actual question,

00:34:57.480 how are they conducting themselves?

00:34:58.700 They are very congenial,

00:35:00.700 very professional.

00:35:01.700 They're professional.

00:35:02.520 They're not aggressive.

00:35:03.860 They're very articulate.

00:35:04.860 They're very specific.

00:35:05.840 They're very deliberate

00:35:06.620 and thoughtful.

00:35:07.960 And to what I was saying earlier,

00:35:09.360 I'll just give some examples.

00:35:10.460 It was the questioning

00:35:11.400 of these lawyers

00:35:12.160 that elicited remarks,

00:35:15.240 testimony from these witnesses.

00:35:17.020 Remember,

00:35:17.260 I was mentioning

00:35:17.660 two RCMP officers

00:35:18.880 who were liaisons

00:35:19.680 and former Kutz Mayor Jim Willett.

00:35:22.340 They got them

00:35:23.100 to acknowledge in testimony

00:35:24.660 that, again,

00:35:25.720 there was a decentralized flavor,

00:35:28.300 character, nature

00:35:29.460 to the protest,

00:35:30.380 which, again,

00:35:30.860 is a central contradiction

00:35:32.120 to this claim

00:35:33.220 from the prosecution

00:35:33.880 that there was this

00:35:34.960 degree of command and control.

00:35:36.740 So you wouldn't be able

00:35:37.900 to elicit that testimony

00:35:39.360 if not for extreme

00:35:41.320 competence.

00:35:42.360 But, yeah,

00:35:42.620 just to the basic question

00:35:43.780 of the flavor,

00:35:44.680 again,

00:35:44.980 very congenial,

00:35:45.700 professional.

00:35:46.200 I can't.

00:35:46.700 Very diplomatic.

00:35:48.020 These guys are great.

00:35:49.040 I have nothing

00:35:49.700 but amazing words

00:35:50.940 and praise to share

00:35:51.720 for them

00:35:52.120 based on my observations

00:35:53.160 with them.

00:35:53.480 And just for more

00:35:54.000 disclosure,

00:35:55.000 I don't think this is

00:35:55.420 a violation of privacy,

00:35:56.700 but I've spoken to them

00:35:58.100 outside the courtroom

00:35:58.740 and they're just really,

00:35:59.720 really well put together guys.

00:36:01.380 I'm glad to hear it.

00:36:02.960 I've been following

00:36:03.880 your live tweeting

00:36:05.140 from court,

00:36:05.960 and I would recommend

00:36:06.720 our viewers to do that

00:36:08.000 because you're sort of

00:36:10.100 giving updates

00:36:11.580 every few minutes.

00:36:13.540 One of the things

00:36:14.260 I learned from your

00:36:15.060 live tweeting

00:36:15.660 is that at least

00:36:17.800 one of the police

00:36:18.440 witnesses acknowledged

00:36:19.560 that they did not

00:36:22.340 see the accused

00:36:24.340 men block the highway,

00:36:26.620 but rather

00:36:28.000 they saw the accused

00:36:29.880 men help

00:36:30.940 unblock the highway.

00:36:32.920 I thought that was

00:36:33.820 such a powerful fact.

00:36:37.220 Yeah, so that's

00:36:37.700 more evidence

00:36:38.320 of what I was saying

00:36:38.980 earlier regarding

00:36:40.080 the extreme competence

00:36:41.280 of these lawyers

00:36:42.880 and how this is

00:36:43.580 money well spent

00:36:44.460 for those that

00:36:45.700 were kind enough

00:36:46.400 to donate

00:36:46.880 to the defense fund.

00:36:49.340 So,

00:36:50.460 the two officers,

00:36:52.820 the two liaisons,

00:36:54.300 their names are

00:36:54.980 Mark Wilgosh

00:36:55.920 and Greg Tolok,

00:36:57.800 if anybody cares

00:36:58.620 about those names,

00:36:59.900 testified that

00:37:00.900 when it came to

00:37:02.400 trying to

00:37:03.660 coordinate the protest

00:37:06.040 in a way that would

00:37:06.840 serve the RCMP's

00:37:07.860 interests,

00:37:08.380 specifically they

00:37:08.980 mentioned opening

00:37:09.660 of lanes during

00:37:10.660 intermittent periods

00:37:11.660 of blockade,

00:37:12.800 in other words,

00:37:13.380 to allow for traffic

00:37:14.280 to flow in both

00:37:14.900 directions at this

00:37:16.300 highway,

00:37:16.980 Alberta Highway 4

00:37:18.020 that sort of heads

00:37:18.700 south towards

00:37:19.540 Coutts from

00:37:19.980 Northern Alberta,

00:37:21.300 that Marco

00:37:22.320 Van Hoogenbos

00:37:23.280 and George Jansen,

00:37:24.400 two of the three

00:37:24.960 defendants,

00:37:25.840 were very helpful

00:37:26.580 in doing that.

00:37:27.520 Conversely,

00:37:28.480 when one of the

00:37:29.920 RCMP officers

00:37:31.020 was asked,

00:37:31.860 did you see

00:37:32.760 the defendants

00:37:33.800 coordinate a

00:37:35.080 blockade or

00:37:35.800 coordinate a

00:37:36.440 blockage?

00:37:36.880 He said,

00:37:37.180 no, I did not

00:37:37.720 see that.

00:37:38.540 So, the bottom

00:37:39.200 line here is

00:37:39.920 that the two

00:37:41.120 officers have

00:37:41.820 testified repeatedly

00:37:43.000 in several

00:37:43.620 dimensions to

00:37:44.660 the utility that

00:37:45.960 they attributed

00:37:46.700 to two of the

00:37:47.900 defendants,

00:37:48.440 George Jansen

00:37:49.100 and Michael

00:37:49.440 Hoogenbos,

00:37:50.120 in terms of

00:37:50.760 their desire to

00:37:51.880 liaise with

00:37:52.520 the protests,

00:37:53.280 not conceding

00:37:54.080 leadership,

00:37:54.560 by the way,

00:37:55.220 but to help

00:37:55.900 assist, get the

00:37:57.280 protesters to do

00:37:58.280 certain things

00:37:59.020 that the RCMP

00:37:59.880 wanted at

00:38:00.780 certain times.

00:38:01.780 Further,

00:38:02.040 just as far as

00:38:02.520 to continue with

00:38:03.540 your question

00:38:03.960 about flavor

00:38:04.860 and character

00:38:05.320 you were asking

00:38:05.740 about the

00:38:06.000 lawyers,

00:38:06.960 one of the

00:38:07.620 RCMP officer

00:38:10.260 liaisons said

00:38:11.280 that George

00:38:11.860 Jansen was

00:38:12.460 particularly

00:38:13.000 congenial.

00:38:13.920 He used the

00:38:14.260 word professional,

00:38:15.580 he used the

00:38:15.940 word compassionate,

00:38:17.120 and he used the

00:38:17.620 word polite in

00:38:18.700 describing his

00:38:19.260 exchanges with

00:38:19.820 them.

00:38:19.960 And the reason

00:38:20.240 I mention that

00:38:21.000 is because I

00:38:21.820 think the

00:38:22.340 demeanor, the

00:38:23.780 composure of the

00:38:24.680 defendants, as

00:38:25.380 was captured by

00:38:26.160 the Rebel News

00:38:26.680 video, by the

00:38:27.300 way, all of

00:38:27.940 it, is, in

00:38:29.460 my view, again,

00:38:30.380 I'm offering

00:38:30.740 this sort of

00:38:31.360 amateur legal

00:38:32.020 analysis, sort

00:38:33.400 of exculpatory

00:38:34.440 at a minimum

00:38:35.020 because they

00:38:35.520 were always

00:38:36.100 advising any

00:38:38.120 protesters that

00:38:38.740 they may be

00:38:39.140 speaking to, to

00:38:40.600 maintain peaceable

00:38:41.660 assembly, maintain

00:38:43.060 peaceful

00:38:43.520 demonstration, and

00:38:44.340 so forth.

00:38:44.820 So insofar as

00:38:45.740 they had any

00:38:46.300 influence whatsoever,

00:38:47.720 insofar as they

00:38:48.240 could communicate

00:38:48.800 with their fellow

00:38:49.280 protesters, they

00:38:50.420 were constantly

00:38:51.000 advising peaceful

00:38:52.340 demonstration.

00:38:53.700 You know, that's

00:38:54.020 very interesting, and

00:38:54.900 I think it may be

00:38:55.580 legally important.

00:38:56.380 It reminds me of

00:38:58.020 one of the

00:38:58.420 things that has

00:38:59.380 come through in

00:39:00.520 the Ottawa trial

00:39:01.700 of Tamara

00:39:02.380 Leach, where it

00:39:04.600 has come out

00:39:05.440 through the

00:39:05.940 trial that, far

00:39:08.880 from being at

00:39:10.240 odds with the

00:39:10.780 RCMP, Tamara

00:39:12.260 Leach and the

00:39:13.440 other leaders of

00:39:15.040 the Ottawa

00:39:15.520 convoy had a

00:39:17.320 regular back and

00:39:18.160 forth to manage

00:39:19.040 things, to clear

00:39:20.380 this lane, to move

00:39:21.460 the trucks out of

00:39:22.140 this residential

00:39:22.820 area to that

00:39:23.660 non-residential

00:39:25.220 area, and not

00:39:27.060 only is that

00:39:27.540 interesting that

00:39:28.360 the protests were

00:39:29.320 cooperative, but it

00:39:30.760 suggests that there

00:39:31.760 was a, I think a

00:39:33.280 lawyer might use the

00:39:34.060 word estoppel, namely

00:39:36.160 that the police

00:39:36.880 condoned what was

00:39:37.920 going on.

00:39:38.420 The police, you

00:39:40.000 might even say,

00:39:40.600 instructed the

00:39:42.340 protest to move

00:39:43.160 from here to

00:39:43.820 there, instructed a

00:39:45.100 truck to be here

00:39:45.900 rather than there.

00:39:47.340 So how could

00:39:48.240 someone who was

00:39:48.920 cooperating with the

00:39:50.080 police, who was

00:39:51.320 working with the

00:39:52.060 police to facilitate

00:39:54.420 certain lanes, open

00:39:56.880 or closed, if

00:39:57.980 you're working with

00:39:58.680 the police, cooperating

00:40:01.920 with the police,

00:40:02.820 complying with the

00:40:03.680 police, even you

00:40:04.800 might say obeying

00:40:05.800 the police, how can

00:40:07.460 that then be called

00:40:08.260 mischief?

00:40:09.520 And I think that

00:40:10.580 that cooperative

00:40:12.560 approach, and I

00:40:14.020 think it was very

00:40:14.540 strong in Ottawa.

00:40:15.620 I know that because

00:40:16.860 they had some very

00:40:17.860 clear objectives, get

00:40:19.560 the trucks out of

00:40:20.240 the residential

00:40:20.740 areas, keep a lane

00:40:22.020 free for ambulances,

00:40:23.420 they were very, like

00:40:25.220 a daily basis and

00:40:26.980 very formal basis

00:40:28.220 negotiating with the

00:40:29.560 city and the

00:40:29.960 police.

00:40:30.700 Sounds like there's

00:40:31.640 a bit of that here

00:40:32.600 in the Coutts trial.

00:40:34.720 Yeah, so I think

00:40:35.600 from my understanding

00:40:37.220 of the Coutts trial,

00:40:37.980 now I was not there,

00:40:38.620 I was in Ottawa

00:40:39.160 basically every day, I

00:40:40.140 can remark on that

00:40:40.900 with a bit more

00:40:41.580 confidence based on

00:40:42.320 my own experience,

00:40:43.480 but the Coutts

00:40:44.320 protest was, this is

00:40:46.200 going to sound funny

00:40:46.720 because it was so

00:40:47.240 much smaller, was

00:40:48.040 seemingly more

00:40:48.640 decentralized, was

00:40:50.100 more sort of ad hoc,

00:40:52.620 informal, more chaotic

00:40:54.460 perhaps, and Ottawa

00:40:56.000 eclipsing Coutts in

00:40:57.380 terms of size and

00:40:58.140 volume was actually

00:40:59.040 more controlled in a

00:41:00.040 way.

00:41:00.580 Anyway, to the point

00:41:01.280 of, okay, this is so

00:41:01.980 funny you mention this,

00:41:02.960 Chris Barber is actually

00:41:03.760 here today, and I'm

00:41:05.020 actually going to

00:41:05.380 interview him at the

00:41:06.000 end of proceedings, and

00:41:07.100 I was just thinking

00:41:07.740 about what you were

00:41:08.400 saying, this constant

00:41:10.660 refrain from Chris

00:41:11.700 Barber in these videos

00:41:12.760 that he produced, that

00:41:13.700 he recorded and

00:41:14.460 published to so-called

00:41:15.220 social media to advise

00:41:16.760 supporters and

00:41:17.500 demonstrators to

00:41:18.180 maintain peaceable

00:41:18.960 assembly, to

00:41:19.520 compile police

00:41:20.080 officers, and

00:41:21.040 remember that

00:41:21.720 Tamara Leach and

00:41:22.420 Chris Barber are

00:41:23.160 being charged with

00:41:24.020 counseling others to

00:41:25.320 mischief.

00:41:26.160 In other words, that

00:41:26.760 they're being accused

00:41:28.080 of advising others to

00:41:29.180 commit mischief, but

00:41:30.160 what I saw in all the

00:41:31.420 videos was Chris

00:41:32.600 Barber counseling

00:41:33.660 others to comply and

00:41:35.180 maintain legal

00:41:35.800 assembly.

00:41:36.980 So, like, the very

00:41:38.260 evidence being put

00:41:39.480 forward by the

00:41:40.340 Crown is at odds

00:41:42.380 with their central

00:41:43.040 claim that these two

00:41:44.180 defendants were

00:41:45.500 advising others to

00:41:46.300 break the law.

00:41:46.820 And the same thing

00:41:47.520 is true here, by

00:41:48.180 the way, in that

00:41:48.600 same regard.

00:41:49.580 Isn't that

00:41:49.980 interesting?

00:41:50.760 Well, I tell you, I

00:41:51.600 wish I was there.

00:41:52.340 There's so many

00:41:52.840 stories going on

00:41:53.620 across the country.

00:41:55.320 And thanks, by the

00:41:56.280 way, for going out to

00:41:57.620 that carbon tax

00:41:58.760 protest on highway,

00:42:00.820 on the highway, the

00:42:02.100 Trans-Canada highway

00:42:02.800 on the way to Banff.

00:42:03.840 I popped by there the

00:42:05.080 other day just to

00:42:05.880 check it out.

00:42:06.700 And it has that same

00:42:08.160 spirit of the Freedom

00:42:09.920 Convoy.

00:42:10.520 So, I know you're an

00:42:11.720 Ottawa boy.

00:42:12.600 To have you in,

00:42:13.360 Alberta, I think that's

00:42:14.160 good for your soul.

00:42:15.000 And I think you're

00:42:16.500 sort of marinating in

00:42:17.580 the freedom out there.

00:42:19.580 And I'm glad you're

00:42:21.240 covering that.

00:42:21.760 Thank you for that.

00:42:23.000 There are two ways

00:42:23.960 people can help.

00:42:24.800 We've already mentioned

00:42:25.600 the way to chip into

00:42:26.640 the legal defense.

00:42:27.880 That's at

00:42:28.520 coots3.com.

00:42:30.880 But as I mentioned,

00:42:32.000 Robert's not actually

00:42:32.880 from Lethbridge.

00:42:33.900 So, we put him up in

00:42:35.440 an Airbnb and we rented

00:42:37.340 a car and we're covering

00:42:38.380 his meals and stuff.

00:42:39.520 While he's out there,

00:42:40.300 he's staying economy

00:42:41.120 class.

00:42:41.660 But still, it does

00:42:42.720 add up because he's

00:42:43.440 there for days and

00:42:44.180 days and days.

00:42:45.020 To chip in for his

00:42:46.320 modest costs, feel free

00:42:48.480 to go to

00:42:48.900 truckertrial.ca.

00:42:52.200 Robert, thanks very

00:42:53.120 much for reporting

00:42:53.980 from there.

00:42:54.360 And we look forward to

00:42:55.180 your updates on

00:42:56.520 Twitter and in your

00:42:57.380 videos.

00:42:58.820 My pleasure.

00:42:59.320 I love being with you.

00:43:00.360 Right on.

00:43:01.140 Thanks for your time.

00:43:01.900 There you have it.

00:43:02.420 Robert Krejcik, live

00:43:04.100 from outside the

00:43:05.120 courthouse in Lethbridge.

00:43:06.760 Stay with us.

00:43:07.420 More ahead.

00:43:07.840 Hey, welcome back.

00:43:17.360 Your letters to me,

00:43:18.340 Toaster3822.

00:43:20.220 I'm guessing that's

00:43:21.060 not a real name.

00:43:21.700 It says, Ezra, I hope

00:43:23.220 you are paying David

00:43:24.080 dearly for standing up

00:43:25.180 for all of our rights.

00:43:27.340 I take David's situation

00:43:29.240 incredibly seriously.

00:43:32.460 Whenever he gets

00:43:33.700 arrested, which I hate, 0.71

00:43:35.140 I immediately get in my

00:43:37.660 car and go downtown.

00:43:39.500 I immediately call the

00:43:40.780 lawyer, make sure that

00:43:42.240 we call David's wife.

00:43:44.480 We immediately tell the

00:43:46.240 world what is happening.

00:43:48.740 We're going to defend him

00:43:50.220 against everything, of

00:43:51.580 course, these bogus

00:43:52.680 criminal charges.

00:43:53.880 We're also going to go

00:43:55.000 on the offensive and sue

00:43:56.780 the police forces for

00:43:57.880 violating his rights.

00:43:58.880 We're going to, we've

00:44:01.920 got some plans, I don't

00:44:02.880 want to disclose them to

00:44:03.760 you now, about how we're

00:44:05.500 going to protect him even

00:44:06.600 more.

00:44:08.700 And, yes, I mean, we do

00:44:10.760 take care of David.

00:44:11.640 I think that we pay him

00:44:12.900 reasonably and we try and

00:44:14.020 take care of him

00:44:14.780 financially, but that's

00:44:16.220 not the point.

00:44:16.840 That's not what David

00:44:17.700 does this for.

00:44:19.700 David and none of us are

00:44:21.120 in this for the money.

00:44:22.620 We're in this to fight

00:44:23.700 for a mission.

00:44:24.500 And right now, the most

00:44:27.360 acute part of that

00:44:28.700 mission is freedom of the

00:44:29.780 press and freedom of

00:44:30.540 speech.

00:44:31.580 And so while we do pay

00:44:33.060 David X amount of money,

00:44:35.240 we spend a multiple of

00:44:36.880 that defending his

00:44:38.300 freedoms.

00:44:39.680 I don't think I'm telling

00:44:40.800 you any secrets when I

00:44:42.440 say that a lawsuit

00:44:43.220 against a police

00:44:44.600 department where they

00:44:45.740 have unlimited resources,

00:44:48.340 government lawyers,

00:44:49.680 where the police

00:44:51.000 themselves are on the

00:44:52.640 public payroll as they

00:44:53.740 testify against you.

00:44:56.080 It's an uphill battle.

00:44:57.560 They outgun you five to

00:44:59.280 one, ten to one.

00:45:00.540 And every single lawsuit

00:45:02.100 we sue against the

00:45:03.980 police who harass them,

00:45:05.860 there's no way less.

00:45:07.240 Those will cost less than

00:45:08.280 $100,000 each.

00:45:10.520 Defending David will cost

00:45:12.040 tens of thousands more.

00:45:14.560 But it's not about the

00:45:15.740 money.

00:45:16.020 It's about if we don't do

00:45:16.800 this, who will?

00:45:17.900 We absolutely must fight

00:45:19.680 back.

00:45:21.540 Russell Coe 3926 says,

00:45:23.740 Trudeau must resign.

00:45:25.660 We won't stand for this

00:45:26.600 manipulative narcissist.

00:45:28.780 Well, I saw a new poll out

00:45:30.380 today by Abacus, which is,

00:45:32.200 you know, is a liberal

00:45:33.020 leaning pollster.

00:45:35.300 The largest lead ever

00:45:37.480 recorded by the conservatives

00:45:39.120 over the Trudeau liberals.

00:45:40.800 It was a 20-point lead going

00:45:42.280 from memory.

00:45:42.780 20-point lead.

00:45:44.320 By the way, the liberals don't

00:45:46.160 even have a gender gap anymore.

00:45:47.420 The exact same number of men

00:45:48.780 as women support them

00:45:50.660 proportionately.

00:45:51.880 It's the lowest.

00:45:53.100 It's just shockingly low.

00:45:55.080 To see the conservatives in the

00:45:56.820 lead even in Atlantic Canada

00:45:58.220 is quite something to behold.

00:46:00.740 I just want that election to come

00:46:02.220 sooner rather than later.

00:46:04.180 It's our show for today.

00:46:05.920 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of

00:46:07.300 us here at Rebel World Headquarters,

00:46:08.520 see you at home.

00:46:08.980 Good night.

00:46:10.220 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:46:11.240 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - April 11, 2024

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Pierre Poilievre gives a speech and a global warming kook heckles him

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