Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Poilievre stands up for young people with latest housing announcement

00:00:00.480 Tonight, I got a tricky question for Pierre Polyev. I'll show you how he answers.

00:00:04.980 It's September 9th, and this is the Ezra LeMant Show.

00:00:11.020 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:00:22.640 Well, hi there. You know, Pierre Polyev is in the Toronto area a lot these days,

00:00:27.020 or at least in the greater Toronto area, so I can drive and meet him with an hour or so each way.

00:00:34.200 And I've had a chance to put a few questions to him, and I generally want to stay on the topic of his press conference

00:00:40.660 because I want him to keep asking me, and I suppose if I threw things at him from curveballs, he might not call on me.

00:00:47.460 I'm not going easy on the guy. I just want to continue to have this access to him.

00:00:51.780 My questions are not easy. I try and ask questions that I don't think others will ask.

00:00:58.060 I don't know if you saw, I asked him about the Castle Law Doctrine the other day,

00:01:02.560 and couldn't provinces go ahead and do it?

00:01:06.020 So today, he was in Brampton, and he was talking about getting the cost of housing down.

00:01:12.920 Okay, everyone wants that to happen. Or do they?

00:01:16.660 Young people want that to happen. People trying to buy their first house want that to happen. 0.55

00:01:20.980 People trying to move out of their parents' house and start their life want that to happen.

00:01:25.140 But what if you're 60 or 70 or 80, and your life savings is tied up in your house,

00:01:30.520 and the capital gains, like maybe you bought your home in 1975 for $50,000,

00:01:37.840 and maybe it's worth, well, in Toronto, $1.5 million.

00:01:41.180 I know that sounds crazy, but the average home in Toronto and Vancouver is over $1 million now.

00:01:47.340 So if you were going to cut the price of the average home, let's just say to half a million dollars,

00:01:51.740 which is where it was 10 years ago, that would be good news for young people who could maybe afford to buy a home,

00:01:57.540 but it would cut the savings for boomers and seniors in half.

00:02:01.200 How do you square that circle?

00:02:03.980 How do you appeal to young people trying to start in life without panicking older people? 0.89

00:02:08.640 That is a difficult question that requires King Solomon-type knowledge and wisdom.

00:02:15.820 Here's how that went today when I was in Brampton, a suburb of Toronto.

00:02:20.640 Let me play for you a few highlights of his announcement moments ago.

00:02:24.300 After a decade of liberal taxes, liberal spending, out-of-control liberal immigration,

00:02:31.200 reckless crime policies, the Canadian promise is really broken.

00:02:36.900 We see an entire generation priced out of home ownership.

00:02:41.980 We see rampaging crime in our streets.

00:02:44.540 We see overcrowded communities as a result of immigration adding people three times faster than we add homes and jobs. 0.78

00:02:54.240 We see job losses.

00:02:55.960 We see the worst economy in the G7.

00:02:58.140 That's the promise of Canada broken after a decade of liberals.

00:03:03.700 Now, Mark Carney promised to be different.

00:03:06.700 Instead, he's worse than Justin Trudeau.

00:03:10.060 He said he would spend less, but his first estimates bill has the government spending 8% more,

00:03:20.100 with the lion's share going to high-priced consultants and bureaucracy.

00:03:25.660 But here in the GTA, year over year, it is down 49%.

00:03:31.300 In Kelowna, it's down 36%.

00:03:34.640 Pre-sales are down 48%, and they are 82% below the 10-year average.

00:03:43.220 You talk to homebuilders in the GTA today, and they will tell you this is the worst they have ever seen it in generations.

00:03:53.140 I've talked to homebuilders that have been in this business for 50 years,

00:03:57.280 and they say they have never witnessed this kind of carnage in the housing sector.

00:04:02.820 What does this mean?

00:04:04.260 It means that not only will there be a shortage of homes because they're not getting built,

00:04:08.480 but soon there will be mass layoffs, and we're already seeing it.

00:04:13.080 The Canadian Homebuilders Association say that 35% of their members are already laying people off.

00:04:23.400 The Residential Construction Council says that the sector is already laying off thousands of people,

00:04:29.860 and that's happening mostly in the greater Toronto area,

00:04:33.780 where unemployment is already facing near-record highs.

00:04:36.880 We see nationwide 86,000 fewer people working today than when Mr. Carney took office.

00:04:44.160 And in the summer alone, July and August, we lost 106,000 jobs,

00:04:50.440 a staggering number to give us the second highest unemployment rate in the G7.

00:04:56.060 Here's the crisis that is going to unfold.

00:04:59.320 If these trades workers lose their jobs, we may never get them back.

00:05:04.020 They will have to move to find work.

00:05:07.680 They may leave the housing sector altogether.

00:05:10.800 And then, three years from now, the housing shortage will be even worse than it is right now.

00:05:17.860 Mr. Carney has accomplished the impossible.

00:05:21.500 It is a triple crisis,

00:05:23.300 with prices too high for buyers to buy,

00:05:27.120 too low for sellers to sell,

00:05:29.660 and inadequate for builders to build.

00:05:33.040 How can all those things be true?

00:05:34.860 How is it that it's too high to buy,

00:05:36.740 but too low to build?

00:05:38.300 Well, the answer is that most of the money

00:05:39.900 is going to government.

00:05:42.040 And so, today, I join with my shadow minister of housing,

00:05:45.940 Scott Aikison,

00:05:47.320 to call for the Liberals

00:05:49.540 to immediately reverse

00:05:51.140 the policies that have caused

00:05:53.540 this new housing crisis

00:05:56.320 with a four-point plan.

00:05:58.420 One,

00:05:59.260 axe the federal sales tax

00:06:01.060 for all homebuyers.

00:06:03.860 I hear someone over here

00:06:05.120 giving a round of applause.

00:06:06.360 She might be buying a home soon.

00:06:08.720 For all homebuyers,

00:06:10.180 not just first-time homebuyers,

00:06:11.680 and for homes up to $1.3 million.

00:06:15.800 Two,

00:06:17.200 axe the capital gains tax

00:06:19.380 on any monies reinvested in homebuilding.

00:06:22.960 So, if a business or an individual

00:06:24.780 sells an asset,

00:06:26.140 they enjoy a capital gain,

00:06:27.540 but they reinvest it in homebuilding,

00:06:29.520 there should be no capital gains tax.

00:06:31.940 This will cause a building boom

00:06:34.440 right across the country.

00:06:36.760 Three,

00:06:38.360 incentivize municipalities

00:06:40.020 to free up land,

00:06:41.820 speed up permits,

00:06:42.880 and cut their own development charges.

00:06:45.080 The prime minister claimed

00:06:46.820 that he was going to cut development charges

00:06:48.620 nationwide by half.

00:06:50.340 Since he took office,

00:06:51.340 those charges have actually gone up.

00:06:53.600 I'm calling for the prime minister

00:06:55.620 to put the resources in the budget

00:06:58.620 so that we can incentivize municipalities

00:07:01.280 to cut the taxes they charge

00:07:05.000 on building new homes.

00:07:06.920 And fourth,

00:07:08.040 get immigration under control. 0.75

00:07:10.300 We can no longer add people

00:07:12.200 three times faster than we add homes.

00:07:14.960 We're going to continue to have shortages.

00:07:16.660 These four steps will reverse

00:07:19.020 the liberal housing hell,

00:07:21.080 the disaster that has destroyed

00:07:23.120 the dream of homeownership

00:07:25.540 over the last 10 years.

00:07:27.560 We are prepared to work with any party

00:07:29.640 that will adopt these common-sense ideas

00:07:32.220 so that we can unleash

00:07:34.540 a real building boom in this country

00:07:36.220 that will mean bigger paychecks

00:07:37.720 for our trades workers,

00:07:39.660 our realtors, mortgage brokers,

00:07:42.300 suppliers.

00:07:42.940 All of them will benefit.

00:07:44.720 The much-suffering logging industry

00:07:48.140 will have new demand for its products.

00:07:50.140 So will the steel and aluminum producers

00:07:52.300 have a new market right here at home.

00:07:54.780 You know the great thing about home building?

00:07:56.680 It's Trump-proof.

00:07:58.520 You can't claim that Donald Trump

00:08:00.200 is to blame for housing that happens here

00:08:03.000 because he cannot put tariffs

00:08:04.760 on housing that we keep in our own country.

00:08:06.780 It is, by definition,

00:08:09.000 a home-grown industry.

00:08:11.600 So when we're facing a losing trade war

00:08:15.740 with China, with the United States,

00:08:18.260 and with others,

00:08:19.280 why not build more here at home?

00:08:21.560 Most of the materials that go in these homes

00:08:23.860 are Canadian materials.

00:08:25.920 We have the land, the labor, and the lumber.

00:08:28.680 And there's no foreign government

00:08:30.120 that can tariff the construction

00:08:31.700 of a Canadian home.

00:08:33.020 This should be the number one priority.

00:08:35.800 Get building here.

00:08:37.500 Nobody can stop us from doing it.

00:08:39.840 And that's why we're calling on the government

00:08:41.820 to adopt our plan

00:08:42.980 for a new home building boom

00:08:45.120 right across this country

00:08:46.320 by removing the taxes,

00:08:48.060 the red tape,

00:08:48.940 making this the fastest and easiest place

00:08:51.220 to get approved,

00:08:52.240 to build a home

00:08:52.980 that will be a wonderful refuge

00:08:55.140 for young families starting out,

00:08:57.220 and that will give big, powerful paychecks

00:08:59.220 for our trades workers across this country.

00:09:01.400 Those are a variation of a theme.

00:09:04.560 Some of those points were similar

00:09:05.580 to ones announced earlier by Polyev.

00:09:07.780 A CBC reporter asked what the difference was,

00:09:10.160 and here's what Polyev said.

00:09:11.920 Michelle Song, CBC News.

00:09:13.440 Mr. Polyev,

00:09:14.160 how is what you are saying today

00:09:16.080 different from the legislation

00:09:17.220 you proposed before the last election?

00:09:21.300 It has a lot in common.

00:09:23.280 I put forward a bill in the House of Commons

00:09:25.980 called the Build Homes and Not Bureaucracy Act,

00:09:28.500 which would incentivize municipalities

00:09:31.580 to speed up permits,

00:09:32.840 free up land,

00:09:33.440 and cut development charges.

00:09:35.140 But in addition to that,

00:09:37.480 today I'm proposing

00:09:38.480 to axe the sales tax

00:09:40.780 for all homebuyers,

00:09:42.980 not just first-time homebuyers.

00:09:44.880 Second, to increase the limit

00:09:46.760 to $1.3 million,

00:09:48.220 because unfortunately,

00:09:49.920 in the GTA today,

00:09:51.300 as amazing as it sounds,

00:09:53.360 you can't get the average house

00:09:55.140 for a million dollars.

00:09:57.020 I mean, if I had said that to you

00:09:58.360 10 years ago,

00:09:59.160 you would have laughed me out of the room.

00:10:01.600 You would have said

00:10:02.300 it would be so ridiculous

00:10:03.380 to spend a million dollars

00:10:04.620 on a middle-class home,

00:10:05.720 but after a decade

00:10:07.000 of liberal housing inflation,

00:10:08.440 that's the reality we face.

00:10:09.860 And then we're also calling

00:10:11.740 for axing the federal capital gains tax

00:10:15.400 for anyone who reinvests

00:10:17.840 in homebuilding

00:10:18.640 or any other reinvestment in Canada.

00:10:21.420 This will cause an incredible boom.

00:10:23.080 It will be like economic rocket fuel.

00:10:26.100 You imagine the number of investors

00:10:27.420 who will sell a dormant asset

00:10:30.120 knowing they won't have to pay tax on it

00:10:32.480 as long as they put it to work

00:10:33.960 building houses in communities

00:10:35.580 like this one.

00:10:36.740 That would mean jobs.

00:10:38.100 And by the way,

00:10:39.180 this will help a lot of people.

00:10:40.440 You might be surprised.

00:10:41.300 It's not just big corporations

00:10:43.320 and extremely wealthy investors.

00:10:44.880 A lot of our tradespeople,

00:10:46.740 they buy houses,

00:10:48.780 fix them up,

00:10:49.840 and then resell them

00:10:51.240 as an improved product.

00:10:52.800 They would be able to get out 0.65

00:10:53.920 zero capital gains tax

00:10:55.600 as long as they reinvest

00:10:57.320 in another home

00:10:58.140 to add even more supply.

00:11:00.420 So that is the difference

00:11:02.320 between my original proposal

00:11:04.160 and this new enhanced proposal

00:11:06.220 because the crisis is much bigger now

00:11:08.660 under Mark Carney

00:11:09.560 than it was under Justin Trudeau.

00:11:11.880 And we as conservatives

00:11:13.280 are here to provide solutions

00:11:15.020 to fix that.

00:11:16.120 Thank you.

00:11:16.900 It's true.

00:11:17.780 Housing in Toronto and Vancouver

00:11:20.440 is insane.

00:11:21.420 The average house

00:11:22.940 is a million dollars.

00:11:24.500 There's no way

00:11:25.340 that someone out of high school,

00:11:27.180 out of university,

00:11:28.080 can scrape together

00:11:29.160 the down payment

00:11:30.100 unless they have

00:11:30.860 serious financial help

00:11:32.420 from a parent or a relative.

00:11:34.160 There's just no way to do it.

00:11:35.360 So what happens is

00:11:36.120 young people,

00:11:37.360 it's not a failure to launch.

00:11:39.040 They can't launch.

00:11:40.080 They can't get started

00:11:41.160 with their lives.

00:11:42.200 If you're living at home,

00:11:43.060 how are you going to get married?

00:11:44.020 How are you going to have kids?

00:11:44.920 How are you going to start things?

00:11:46.340 And it's really delayed marriage

00:11:48.080 and thus delayed childbearing.

00:11:50.720 And, you know,

00:11:51.320 I think it's really taken an attack

00:11:53.000 at the family unit.

00:11:54.260 I mean, you cannot have a family

00:11:56.500 if you do not have a home.

00:11:57.840 And that goes straight to pricing.

00:12:00.880 Now, one of the things

00:12:01.900 that Paulie have talked about

00:12:03.020 was immigration.

00:12:04.420 He said that's one of his

00:12:05.280 four ways of tackling the problem

00:12:07.460 was to reducing immigration numbers.

00:12:09.520 And that's obviously true.

00:12:10.680 Simple supply and demand

00:12:12.440 tells us that when you bring

00:12:14.000 one or two million people a year

00:12:16.080 into a country

00:12:17.320 and only have a fraction of that

00:12:18.600 in terms of new housing built,

00:12:20.100 of course, housing is going

00:12:21.380 to go up in price.

00:12:22.560 Not just that,

00:12:23.640 but what was traditionally

00:12:24.840 a one family home

00:12:26.000 will now have seven mattresses

00:12:28.940 for different international students.

00:12:31.100 Like, it's really

00:12:31.800 the third worldification 0.97

00:12:33.000 of Canadian housing.

00:12:36.200 But I had a question for Paulie.

00:12:39.280 I was trying to ask something

00:12:40.380 on the subject of home building.

00:12:42.760 I have another question

00:12:43.520 I want to ask him another day

00:12:44.700 about immigration.

00:12:45.760 But I thought,

00:12:46.340 let's ask him about housing.

00:12:47.700 Here's the question I put to him.

00:12:49.180 And here's his answer.

00:12:50.160 Hi there.

00:12:50.580 Ezra Levant from Rebel News.

00:12:52.240 Thanks for having me.

00:12:53.360 Thank you.

00:12:54.380 Back in May,

00:12:56.040 Gregor Robertson,

00:12:57.440 Mark Carney's housing minister,

00:12:58.780 was asked if he wanted

00:13:00.360 the price of housing

00:13:01.600 to come down.

00:13:02.980 And he said no.

00:13:05.140 How do you balance

00:13:06.480 reducing the cost of housing

00:13:08.480 for young families

00:13:10.300 but also protecting

00:13:11.980 what may be the only nest egg

00:13:14.720 for some seniors and boomers?

00:13:17.320 Where do you draw the balance?

00:13:19.100 How would you like to see pricing

00:13:21.280 actually look for the average home

00:13:23.420 in Toronto or Vancouver?

00:13:24.980 So, first of all,

00:13:28.800 I just think we need to acknowledge

00:13:30.100 that it is incredible

00:13:31.280 that Mark Carney would pick

00:13:32.440 Gregor Robertson

00:13:33.400 as his housing minister

00:13:34.900 after that,

00:13:37.080 when he was the mayor,

00:13:38.740 Vancouver's housing costs

00:13:40.060 went up by 150%,

00:13:42.180 driven almost entirely

00:13:44.600 by municipal taxes.

00:13:46.340 So the guy who created

00:13:47.320 the worst housing market

00:13:48.620 in North America,

00:13:49.740 forget Canada,

00:13:50.300 by far the most expensive

00:13:51.900 housing market

00:13:52.580 in North America,

00:13:53.940 more expensive than

00:13:55.080 New York City,

00:13:56.200 Los Angeles,

00:13:57.160 Chicago.

00:13:58.660 Carney says that's exactly

00:14:00.160 who we need

00:14:00.840 in charge of housing.

00:14:02.520 Like, talk about failing up.

00:14:04.720 So the first thing

00:14:05.680 that would be different

00:14:06.260 is I would have

00:14:07.300 never named someone

00:14:08.900 like Gregor Robertson.

00:14:10.380 He is the exact epitome

00:14:12.540 of everything wrong

00:14:13.940 with housing in Canada today.

00:14:15.780 As for your question

00:14:17.980 about balancing

00:14:18.640 keeping home prices up

00:14:20.900 versus them coming down,

00:14:23.600 look, the money

00:14:25.100 from a home today

00:14:26.340 does not go to the buyer

00:14:27.680 or the seller

00:14:28.220 or the builder.

00:14:29.240 It goes to the government.

00:14:31.700 We have to, you know,

00:14:32.940 it's like today,

00:14:34.180 right now,

00:14:35.420 the housing costs

00:14:36.360 are too low

00:14:37.520 for builders to build

00:14:38.680 and too high

00:14:39.860 for buyers to buy.

00:14:41.320 And you would say,

00:14:41.840 well, how could it be

00:14:42.360 both of those things?

00:14:43.860 Well, because the lion's share 0.95

00:14:45.600 is going to the government.

00:14:48.740 It doesn't go to these guys.

00:14:50.140 The guys who swing

00:14:50.840 the hammers back here,

00:14:51.760 they're not getting the money.

00:14:53.320 The money is going

00:14:54.280 to government bureaucrats,

00:14:56.560 municipally, provincially,

00:14:57.740 and federally.

00:14:58.860 And what I'm saying is

00:14:59.740 let's cut the government cost

00:15:01.280 out of housing.

00:15:02.640 Get rid of the sales tax,

00:15:04.420 cut the development charges

00:15:05.580 in half,

00:15:06.460 speed up the permits,

00:15:08.600 zero tax on reinvested gains.

00:15:11.580 If you get the government cost

00:15:13.640 out of building homes,

00:15:14.580 then the buyer,

00:15:16.720 the seller,

00:15:17.800 and the builder

00:15:18.460 will all be winners

00:15:19.720 at the same time.

00:15:20.660 It's true.

00:15:21.380 Gregor Robertson

00:15:22.160 is just atrocious.

00:15:23.460 And if you missed it,

00:15:24.660 here's his April statement

00:15:26.440 where he just said,

00:15:28.040 no, I don't want

00:15:29.240 the prices to go down.

00:15:30.580 Here's what he said.

00:15:31.720 Affordable housing.

00:15:32.280 You think the prices

00:15:33.040 need to go down?

00:15:34.520 No, I think that we need

00:15:35.680 to deliver more supply,

00:15:37.080 make sure the market

00:15:38.000 is stable.

00:15:39.060 It's a huge part

00:15:39.920 of our economy.

00:15:40.680 We need to be delivering

00:15:41.820 more affordable housing.

00:15:42.840 The government of Canada

00:15:44.180 has not been building

00:15:45.280 affordable housing

00:15:46.120 since the 90s,

00:15:47.900 and we've created

00:15:49.060 a huge shortage

00:15:50.260 across Canada.

00:15:51.320 That's where the big need

00:15:52.800 is right now,

00:15:53.560 and I'm very encouraged

00:15:56.560 that the prime minister

00:15:57.440 and our commitment

00:15:58.660 right now in government

00:15:59.580 is the double construction

00:16:01.400 and focus on the affordable side.

00:16:03.820 Now, fair enough.

00:16:05.060 It turns out that he has

00:16:06.300 millions of dollars

00:16:07.320 worth of homes

00:16:08.040 as his personal investment.

00:16:09.600 He's no dummy.

00:16:10.360 He's a liberal.

00:16:11.540 He doesn't want the value

00:16:12.480 of his investments

00:16:13.240 to go down,

00:16:13.980 but it's a striking thing

00:16:15.360 for the minister of housing

00:16:16.560 who has said

00:16:17.820 that increasing housing supply

00:16:19.280 and affordability

00:16:20.280 is his top priority.

00:16:21.800 It's shocking

00:16:22.840 to hear him say

00:16:24.360 he does not want

00:16:25.120 the prices of housing

00:16:26.440 to come down,

00:16:27.100 and I don't really understand

00:16:28.380 what he meant there

00:16:29.180 about more affordable housing

00:16:32.000 but keeping that price up.

00:16:34.040 I don't even know

00:16:34.840 what that means

00:16:35.460 unless he's thinking

00:16:36.600 of having millions

00:16:37.900 of government homes

00:16:39.860 or something

00:16:40.460 that only poor people

00:16:42.160 can live in,

00:16:42.920 but if you're just

00:16:43.780 a struggling middle-class person,

00:16:45.680 you're not poor enough.

00:16:46.820 He just didn't explain that.

00:16:48.040 It was so bizarre,

00:16:48.960 but it hit me.

00:16:50.900 Who voted for Mark Carney

00:16:52.900 and the liberals?

00:16:53.520 Well, the boomers did. 0.96

00:16:54.940 I mean, every poll

00:16:55.940 shows that young people,

00:16:57.460 especially young men,

00:16:58.440 are worried about life

00:16:59.780 in Canada economically.

00:17:01.580 They're worried

00:17:02.260 they can't get a job.

00:17:03.500 They don't like

00:17:04.520 the foreign competitors

00:17:05.440 with temporary foreign workers

00:17:06.560 and international students.

00:17:08.900 Young people are the most open

00:17:10.820 to conservatives,

00:17:11.780 and I remember some polling

00:17:13.120 that young people

00:17:13.800 were actually the most open

00:17:14.960 to Donald Trump's

00:17:16.220 audacious invitation

00:17:17.280 to join America,

00:17:18.260 and that's got to be

00:17:19.400 for economic reasons,

00:17:20.740 whereas if you are 60

00:17:22.220 or 70 or 80 years old,

00:17:24.320 maybe you've got

00:17:24.920 a bit of a pension,

00:17:26.020 but your real pension

00:17:27.240 is your home.

00:17:27.980 You bought the home

00:17:28.740 in the 50s or the 60s

00:17:30.160 or the 70s

00:17:30.860 when you could do it

00:17:31.860 on a one-income family

00:17:35.380 where one parent stayed home.

00:17:37.540 It was a traditional family.

00:17:38.560 A guy gets a job

00:17:39.660 at a factory.

00:17:40.400 It's his job for 30 years.

00:17:41.620 He retires with a pension.

00:17:43.420 His mortgage paid off,

00:17:44.520 and that's his nest egg,

00:17:45.780 and so there are millions

00:17:46.760 of Canadians that,

00:17:48.320 and I'm not criticizing.

00:17:49.400 I'm just saying

00:17:49.840 that's their wealth,

00:17:51.220 and so on the one hand,

00:17:52.720 I can understand

00:17:53.560 why Gregor Robertson

00:17:54.660 doesn't want to spook

00:17:55.620 the liberal voting base,

00:17:57.120 which is boomers 0.68

00:17:57.740 and seniors,

00:17:58.320 and say,

00:17:58.640 yeah, we want the value

00:18:00.040 of your home to come down

00:18:01.120 because that would put

00:18:01.920 a number of people

00:18:02.880 in a pickle,

00:18:03.280 and let's say

00:18:03.600 you just bought a home

00:18:04.460 at the peak of the market

00:18:05.920 and got the maximum mortgage,

00:18:07.700 and now prices

00:18:08.480 are starting to come down.

00:18:09.520 You're underwater,

00:18:11.640 but at the same time,

00:18:12.640 how can you keep

00:18:13.260 your promise

00:18:13.700 to young Canadians

00:18:14.600 to make life affordable

00:18:16.360 if you're not

00:18:17.060 going to bring it down?

00:18:18.520 Now, Paliap's answer 0.81

00:18:19.420 to me was interesting,

00:18:20.800 and it took me a while

00:18:21.540 to think about it.

00:18:22.360 He's basically saying

00:18:23.180 it's possible

00:18:23.900 for both homebuyers

00:18:25.340 and homesellers

00:18:26.240 to win

00:18:26.680 if you take up

00:18:27.700 the massive cost

00:18:28.560 that is government.

00:18:29.600 He asserted

00:18:30.380 several times today

00:18:31.360 that actually

00:18:32.480 the largest part

00:18:33.700 of a home price

00:18:34.720 is not the construction,

00:18:36.120 it's not the land,

00:18:37.100 it's the paperwork,

00:18:38.240 it's the red tape,

00:18:38.880 it's the government,

00:18:39.420 it's the bureaucracy,

00:18:40.360 it's the taxes.

00:18:41.860 I actually find that

00:18:43.040 a little hard to believe,

00:18:44.380 and I'm not denying it.

00:18:45.800 I just,

00:18:46.380 I want to look

00:18:47.220 at those numbers.

00:18:47.960 How could it be?

00:18:49.120 Like, I mean,

00:18:49.500 these are nice homes,

00:18:51.120 but they're somewhat modest.

00:18:52.660 They're not grand,

00:18:53.560 they're not huge.

00:18:54.420 They have two-car garages,

00:18:55.860 and they're very pretty,

00:18:57.420 but, you know,

00:18:59.100 I don't know

00:19:00.000 what these cost,

00:19:00.680 but if it's the average price

00:19:02.220 in the greater Toronto area,

00:19:03.780 these are more

00:19:04.400 than a million bucks.

00:19:05.560 And I put it to you,

00:19:06.500 if you go on a website

00:19:07.640 like realtor.com

00:19:09.060 and go to some place

00:19:10.940 in Texas

00:19:11.460 like Fort Worth

00:19:12.340 and see what you can get

00:19:13.840 for a million bucks,

00:19:15.080 you will get

00:19:15.860 an enormous acreage

00:19:17.060 with a 5,000 square foot home

00:19:19.120 with, you know,

00:19:20.040 all the luxuries.

00:19:21.160 I mean,

00:19:21.880 I know a lot of politicians

00:19:23.880 do this.

00:19:24.420 They can compare

00:19:25.120 what you get

00:19:25.600 for a million bucks,

00:19:26.580 or I don't even think

00:19:27.520 you can buy something

00:19:28.280 for a quarter million bucks

00:19:29.240 in Toronto.

00:19:29.740 It would be like a shoebox.

00:19:31.160 So,

00:19:31.560 is it true

00:19:32.940 that this building,

00:19:33.900 if it's for sale

00:19:34.540 for a million dollars,

00:19:36.000 that half of that

00:19:36.880 is taxes and lawyers

00:19:38.040 and red tape?

00:19:39.660 It's so staggering,

00:19:41.140 I have to confirm it

00:19:43.480 before I believe it,

00:19:44.280 but if we take

00:19:44.960 Pierre Paulyev's answer

00:19:46.520 at face value,

00:19:48.300 if you can remove

00:19:49.820 that cost from it,

00:19:50.800 it is true

00:19:51.520 that the price

00:19:52.500 would come down

00:19:53.400 for the buyer,

00:19:54.240 but there would be enough

00:19:55.240 there for the seller

00:19:56.040 to do well.

00:19:56.640 But I think

00:19:58.140 that only happens

00:19:58.800 go forward.

00:19:59.900 If you're a senior today

00:20:01.640 and your house

00:20:02.680 is worth a million dollars today,

00:20:05.020 removing taxes

00:20:05.940 and red tape

00:20:06.760 on the construction

00:20:08.040 of your home

00:20:09.220 is not going to help you now

00:20:10.240 because that happened

00:20:11.200 years ago.

00:20:12.660 I think the only answer

00:20:14.200 is to have a slow deflation

00:20:16.600 in housing prices,

00:20:18.120 slow enough

00:20:18.740 that you're not massacring

00:20:20.120 seniors

00:20:20.660 and they're only nest egg,

00:20:22.220 but fast enough

00:20:23.640 that young people

00:20:24.920 can actually find some hope

00:20:26.340 and if I had to choose

00:20:28.120 between those two,

00:20:28.900 I would choose

00:20:29.320 the young people.

00:20:30.240 The whole point of society

00:20:31.560 is to provide for children,

00:20:33.380 to have children

00:20:34.020 have a better life

00:20:35.140 than their generation 0.87

00:20:36.500 before them

00:20:37.160 and I fear

00:20:38.040 that our generation

00:20:38.860 may be the first

00:20:39.640 where that's no longer true.

00:20:41.640 Every generation

00:20:42.400 had more hope

00:20:43.060 for the future,

00:20:43.760 that their kids

00:20:44.240 would be wealthier,

00:20:45.500 better educated,

00:20:46.520 happier

00:20:46.900 and that really was

00:20:48.980 the case for generations.

00:20:50.220 I mean,

00:20:51.460 if you look at

00:20:53.100 a typical house,

00:20:54.220 the size of a house

00:20:55.280 that was built

00:20:56.120 in the 30s or 40s

00:20:57.220 compared to the size

00:20:58.080 of a house

00:20:58.480 built in the 60s and 70s,

00:21:00.140 there's no comparison.

00:21:01.520 Our wealth has shot up

00:21:02.600 but I think that it's stagnated

00:21:04.480 and as we've mentioned

00:21:05.640 on our show before,

00:21:06.580 we're actually in a recession

00:21:08.420 on an individual basis.

00:21:10.580 I don't know,

00:21:11.220 I found today's press conference

00:21:14.080 not as powerful

00:21:15.960 because I think a lot of the ideas

00:21:17.440 were introduced by Polly before 0.96

00:21:19.180 the striking thing

00:21:21.600 I heard was Polly

00:21:22.440 I was assertion

00:21:23.240 that half of the price

00:21:24.780 of each of these

00:21:25.540 like hundreds of thousands

00:21:27.180 of dollars

00:21:27.740 is taxes and red tape.

00:21:29.260 Could be.

00:21:30.400 I don't know

00:21:31.120 if his answer

00:21:31.720 is enough though

00:21:32.760 because I don't know

00:21:33.520 how a senior

00:21:35.020 can sell their home today

00:21:36.760 and still get ahead

00:21:40.440 if the price is going down

00:21:41.920 and it's got to go down

00:21:43.700 for young people to get in.

00:21:44.920 I think the changes

00:21:45.700 he's talking about

00:21:46.680 will take years

00:21:48.200 to take effect

00:21:49.100 and they're not all

00:21:49.980 at the federal level.

00:21:51.020 A lot of the levers

00:21:51.740 he wants to pull

00:21:52.980 are at the municipal level.

00:21:54.800 I think the only way

00:21:56.080 to solve this problem

00:21:57.120 is what an economist

00:21:58.460 would say.

00:21:59.480 Supply and demand.

00:22:00.600 If you really want housing

00:22:01.800 to become more affordable,

00:22:03.200 don't bring in 0.93

00:22:03.940 two million strangers

00:22:04.860 to your country.

00:22:05.720 Even if they're staying

00:22:06.660 seven to a house

00:22:07.720 on mattresses,

00:22:08.640 it's going to make

00:22:09.940 everything more expensive.

00:22:11.200 Are you concerned

00:22:12.320 that the consensus

00:22:14.060 in Canada on immigration

00:22:15.340 is slipping?

00:22:16.660 And what would you do

00:22:17.620 as a position leader

00:22:20.020 to address this issue?

00:22:21.700 Thank you.

00:22:22.180 Very good question.

00:22:24.560 It is really sad

00:22:25.960 what has happened

00:22:27.680 to the immigration system

00:22:29.640 over the last decade.

00:22:31.280 Before this liberal government,

00:22:32.820 there was a consensus.

00:22:35.160 Canadians welcomed immigrants

00:22:37.200 in generous numbers,

00:22:40.200 but in numbers

00:22:40.700 that we could absorb.

00:22:42.060 We had enough housing,

00:22:43.900 health care,

00:22:44.960 and jobs for people

00:22:46.220 who came in.

00:22:47.420 Everyone integrated well,

00:22:49.540 lived in beautiful neighborhoods

00:22:50.860 side by side,

00:22:52.260 all different faces

00:22:54.020 from different places

00:22:55.360 and races getting along

00:22:57.100 in harmony.

00:22:58.000 It was, we had,

00:22:58.820 it's incredible to think,

00:23:00.420 we had the system

00:23:02.100 of immigration

00:23:02.640 that was the envy

00:23:04.000 of the world.

00:23:05.020 Literally, other countries

00:23:06.080 from all around the world

00:23:06.800 said, how did Canada do it?

00:23:09.000 Ten years of liberal government,

00:23:11.340 the rest of the world

00:23:12.480 is looking at us

00:23:13.360 and saying,

00:23:13.800 how did the liberals

00:23:15.200 screw this up so badly?

00:23:17.440 They've been adding people

00:23:18.800 three times faster

00:23:20.140 than homes and jobs,

00:23:21.840 which has created shortages.

00:23:24.180 They brought in 1.00

00:23:25.220 too many too fast.

00:23:27.020 They've allowed massive abuses

00:23:28.660 of the international student,

00:23:30.760 temporary foreign worker,

00:23:31.980 and asylum claim system

00:23:33.320 with rampant fraud

00:23:35.800 that happened right

00:23:36.760 that happened right

00:23:36.780 under their nose.

00:23:38.540 And as a result,

00:23:40.000 our youth can't find jobs

00:23:41.400 or homes.

00:23:43.140 And so it is very sad

00:23:45.160 that the liberals

00:23:46.400 have been able

00:23:46.920 to destroy the system

00:23:48.100 so badly

00:23:49.340 in such a short time.

00:23:51.280 Mark Carney promised

00:23:52.160 to be different.

00:23:52.960 Instead, he's worse.

00:23:54.580 He's kept Justin Trudeau's

00:23:56.060 immigration numbers.

00:23:56.960 He's allowing corporations

00:23:59.860 to bring in

00:24:00.780 a record number

00:24:01.860 of temporary foreign workers

00:24:03.200 this year

00:24:03.800 at a time

00:24:04.660 when youth employment numbers

00:24:06.620 are their worst

00:24:07.480 in three decades.

00:24:10.320 So while our young people

00:24:11.960 can't find jobs,

00:24:13.160 employers are able

00:24:14.020 to exploit

00:24:14.900 temporary foreign workers

00:24:17.960 by giving them lower wages

00:24:20.940 and terrible working conditions.

00:24:23.160 Let me be clear.

00:24:23.860 Immigrants are not to blame

00:24:26.960 for this mess.

00:24:29.240 They simply followed

00:24:30.380 the rules

00:24:30.980 that the liberals created

00:24:32.560 or the lack of rules.

00:24:34.980 They just want

00:24:35.740 to have a better life.

00:24:36.740 And in many cases,

00:24:37.600 they are the victims

00:24:38.460 of a system

00:24:40.000 that abuses

00:24:42.200 and rips them off

00:24:43.260 at the same time

00:24:44.120 as destabilizing

00:24:45.540 our housing,

00:24:47.760 job market,

00:24:48.800 and social services.

00:24:50.420 So the blame

00:24:51.320 does not rest

00:24:52.140 with immigrants

00:24:52.800 or with the broader

00:24:53.720 Canadian population

00:24:54.720 is 100% the result

00:24:56.580 of reckless

00:24:58.180 and irresponsible

00:24:59.460 liberal decisions.

00:25:00.940 Our approach

00:25:01.620 will be to end

00:25:02.600 the temporary

00:25:03.120 foreign worker program

00:25:04.400 so that Canadian jobs

00:25:05.800 go to Canadian workers 1.00

00:25:07.000 to bring the numbers down,

00:25:08.800 bring in the right numbers

00:25:09.900 and the right people

00:25:11.720 to fill jobs

00:25:13.240 we actually need

00:25:14.380 to have filled

00:25:15.120 for which there are

00:25:15.960 no Canadians,

00:25:16.840 to keep criminals

00:25:17.880 out of this country

00:25:18.640 by having stronger

00:25:19.720 security standards

00:25:20.940 at our borders

00:25:21.800 and always

00:25:23.100 and everywhere

00:25:23.700 to put Canada first

00:25:25.080 in all of our

00:25:26.220 immigration decisions.

00:25:27.600 Anyways,

00:25:28.040 I was glad to be here

00:25:28.920 and I like the fact

00:25:29.980 that I'm having a chance

00:25:31.200 to put a question.

00:25:31.940 I'm trying to stay on topic.

00:25:33.900 There was a question

00:25:34.760 by Canadian press

00:25:35.640 about immigration

00:25:36.360 and how the immigration

00:25:37.500 consensus

00:25:38.180 is being destroyed

00:25:39.360 by the liberals

00:25:39.920 and I thought

00:25:40.360 that was a good question.

00:25:42.080 But I thought

00:25:45.160 I would focus

00:25:45.880 on the issue

00:25:46.600 of the day

00:25:46.920 which was home building.

00:25:47.760 Anyways,

00:25:48.480 I'll keep you posted.

00:25:50.000 I appreciate

00:25:50.540 coming to these

00:25:51.300 press conferences

00:25:52.000 and I also know

00:25:53.860 that Mark Carney

00:25:54.480 refuses to allow

00:25:55.580 conservative leaning

00:25:57.120 or independent journalists

00:25:58.300 at his press conferences

00:25:59.340 despite making a promise

00:26:00.800 to that effect

00:26:01.520 to our alumnus

00:26:03.040 Kian Bexty

00:26:03.780 who's with Juno News.

00:26:05.280 You might recall

00:26:05.820 at the leaders debate

00:26:06.940 Bexty asked a question

00:26:09.580 or him

00:26:10.400 or another person

00:26:11.640 from Juno News

00:26:12.300 I can't remember

00:26:12.860 asked Mark Carney

00:26:14.100 about the independent press

00:26:15.880 and do you remember

00:26:16.760 Mark Carney said

00:26:17.480 oh you can come

00:26:18.780 to my next press conference

00:26:19.900 remember that?

00:26:21.060 Your entire campaign

00:26:21.820 does seem to be predicated

00:26:23.000 on putting you

00:26:23.680 in the front

00:26:24.320 and hiding the people

00:26:25.220 that stood in lockstep

00:26:26.800 with Justin Trudeau

00:26:27.800 for the last 10 years.

00:26:29.400 You're kind of hoping

00:26:30.340 that Canadians

00:26:30.720 won't connect the dots

00:26:31.620 that the people

00:26:32.140 standing behind you

00:26:33.040 in your caucus

00:26:33.920 walked in lockstep

00:26:35.160 with them.

00:26:35.580 Regardless of what

00:26:36.120 you say right now

00:26:36.740 Stephen Gobeau

00:26:37.420 made the carbon taxes

00:26:38.780 life work.

00:26:39.840 The man that moved

00:26:40.900 Paul Bernardo

00:26:41.560 from a maximum security prison

00:26:43.080 is now your chief of staff.

00:26:44.940 I'm wondering

00:26:45.180 how you reconcile this

00:26:46.220 and how you can trust

00:26:46.860 their judgment

00:26:47.360 when they thought

00:26:48.220 those ideas

00:26:48.760 were good ideas.

00:26:49.700 I'll say a couple

00:26:50.500 things to that

00:26:51.180 rather odd question.

00:26:53.240 First is that

00:26:54.400 the candidates

00:26:56.500 in this election

00:26:57.560 for the Liberal Party

00:26:58.300 I mean you go

00:26:59.120 and see when I

00:27:00.220 make an announcement

00:27:01.260 I don't think

00:27:01.940 I've seen you

00:27:02.360 at any of them

00:27:02.860 but next time

00:27:03.900 you can come.

00:27:04.400 you know spoiler alert

00:27:07.080 that was a lie

00:27:07.960 Mark Carney

00:27:08.800 does not allow

00:27:09.680 independent journalists

00:27:11.360 to attend.

00:27:12.660 We can only ask him

00:27:13.520 questions like

00:27:14.660 Hallie's comment

00:27:15.320 once every four years

00:27:16.700 when we get into

00:27:17.280 those leaders debates.

00:27:18.600 I get the feeling

00:27:19.160 though they'll find a way

00:27:19.920 to block us

00:27:20.440 before the next time.

00:27:21.780 For Rebel News

00:27:22.260 in Brampton, Ontario

00:27:23.220 I'm Ezra Levant.

00:27:25.120 Well what do you think?

00:27:26.440 I have other questions

00:27:29.000 I want to put to

00:27:30.060 Pierre Paglia

00:27:31.360 but I want to stay

00:27:32.860 generally on the themes

00:27:34.480 that he's talking about

00:27:35.560 because I want him

00:27:36.080 to go to me every time.

00:27:37.300 I should tell you

00:27:37.740 at some of these

00:27:38.080 press conferences

00:27:38.680 he declines to take

00:27:40.380 questions from

00:27:41.180 some of the regime media

00:27:42.700 and I have a secret delight.

00:27:44.220 Not that I want

00:27:44.900 other journalists

00:27:45.620 to be cut off

00:27:46.200 but it's nice

00:27:46.860 for Rebel News

00:27:47.760 to get some questions in.

00:27:49.460 I say again

00:27:49.960 I'm not going easy

00:27:50.820 on the fella.

00:27:52.300 I just want to have

00:27:53.200 my own spin

00:27:54.560 my own take

00:27:55.860 on questions

00:27:56.520 and I think I did that today

00:27:57.460 you can let me know

00:27:58.060 what you think.

00:27:59.120 Alright enough from me.

00:28:00.020 Up next

00:28:00.500 an interview with

00:28:01.480 The Food Professor.

00:28:11.360 Well I learned so much

00:28:12.560 from Twitter

00:28:13.060 or as it's now known

00:28:14.620 X.

00:28:15.240 All of a sudden

00:28:16.000 I have access to experts

00:28:17.380 all around the world.

00:28:18.600 Now part of the job

00:28:19.260 is knowing who is

00:28:20.020 a real expert

00:28:20.620 and who is not

00:28:21.680 a real expert

00:28:22.260 but I believe

00:28:23.100 that our next guest

00:28:24.540 truly is an expert

00:28:25.840 in the matter of food

00:28:27.360 and the economics of food

00:28:28.620 and the security of food

00:28:29.960 and the politics of food

00:28:31.540 which is much bigger

00:28:32.360 than you might think.

00:28:33.300 His name is

00:28:34.260 Professor Sylvain Charlebois

00:28:36.020 he is a professor

00:28:37.780 at Dalhousie

00:28:38.620 and he is also

00:28:39.860 a visiting scholar

00:28:41.320 at McGill University.

00:28:43.080 He joins us now

00:28:44.140 via Zoom.

00:28:44.720 Professor, welcome back.

00:28:45.920 It's great to see you again.

00:28:46.720 Thanks for taking the time.

00:28:48.180 Well thank you

00:28:48.620 for having me again.

00:28:49.640 You know I think

00:28:50.640 you're also a master

00:28:51.840 of the format

00:28:53.760 of Twitter

00:28:54.660 which requires you

00:28:55.740 to be concise

00:28:57.640 which is not

00:28:58.520 not every professor

00:28:59.820 has the skill

00:29:01.020 to be concise

00:29:01.860 so I congratulate you

00:29:03.480 for that.

00:29:04.220 I'd like to draw

00:29:05.100 our viewers attention

00:29:06.020 to a tweet you made

00:29:07.000 the other day

00:29:07.580 on September 6th

00:29:09.300 where you compared

00:29:10.200 unemployment rates

00:29:11.560 in the G7

00:29:12.460 and it was a very simple tweet

00:29:13.880 but it was quite dramatic.

00:29:16.160 You ranked

00:29:17.140 unemployment rates

00:29:18.840 in the G7

00:29:19.600 starting with Japan

00:29:20.520 with an unbelievable

00:29:21.940 2.3% unemployment.

00:29:24.340 Like that's as close

00:29:25.040 to full employment

00:29:26.540 as you could possibly get

00:29:27.820 I would think.

00:29:28.740 The U.S.

00:29:29.340 is pretty low

00:29:30.000 at 4.3.

00:29:31.020 UK is around that.

00:29:32.720 But Canada

00:29:33.420 is 7.1%

00:29:35.400 and headed

00:29:35.780 in the wrong direction.

00:29:37.440 Only France 0.93

00:29:38.600 at 7.5%

00:29:40.460 has a higher

00:29:41.080 unemployment rate

00:29:41.720 and that

00:29:42.140 is a

00:29:42.940 that may be

00:29:43.740 an outdated statistic

00:29:44.900 because I noticed

00:29:45.560 that it was

00:29:46.080 the second quarter

00:29:47.840 of 2025.

00:29:49.340 How is it

00:29:50.240 that Canada

00:29:51.500 with all our resources

00:29:52.900 and all our markets

00:29:53.800 and even though

00:29:54.320 we're in a trade battle

00:29:55.040 with the states

00:29:55.700 we still have

00:29:56.500 an excellent access there.

00:29:58.260 How is it

00:29:59.260 that we have

00:30:00.040 7.1%

00:30:01.280 unemployment

00:30:01.820 almost the highest

00:30:02.720 in the G7?

00:30:04.260 Yeah, that's a good question.

00:30:05.600 So first of all

00:30:06.520 of course

00:30:07.100 I had fun

00:30:09.340 with these numbers

00:30:10.240 because it's hard

00:30:11.420 to compare countries

00:30:12.640 and as you know

00:30:13.680 each country

00:30:14.760 will have a different way

00:30:15.700 of measuring

00:30:16.620 unemployment.

00:30:18.260 So you have to look

00:30:19.300 at trends

00:30:19.820 but I thought

00:30:20.660 it was really

00:30:21.400 a telling picture

00:30:22.480 showing exactly

00:30:24.180 where Canada

00:30:24.880 is heading

00:30:25.780 and of course

00:30:26.420 the other part

00:30:27.820 that you may have

00:30:28.980 missed

00:30:29.340 after posting

00:30:31.180 the first one

00:30:31.800 I did post

00:30:32.380 a second tweet

00:30:34.020 saying that

00:30:34.760 of all the G7 countries

00:30:36.580 it is our rate

00:30:37.800 it has gone up

00:30:38.540 the most

00:30:39.300 in the last 12 months

00:30:40.640 and that's significant

00:30:42.300 it means that

00:30:43.040 really our economy

00:30:43.920 is going in the wrong

00:30:44.760 direction

00:30:45.160 especially youth

00:30:46.320 employment

00:30:46.860 of course

00:30:47.720 and frankly

00:30:49.820 I mean

00:30:50.720 we've had

00:30:51.720 several years

00:30:52.940 of just bad

00:30:55.540 management

00:30:55.960 in Ottawa

00:30:56.460 the focus

00:30:57.180 was very much

00:30:58.900 on other things

00:31:00.060 than the economy

00:31:01.080 of course

00:31:02.380 I don't think

00:31:03.520 the liberals

00:31:03.880 would argue that

00:31:04.840 and of course

00:31:06.600 a lot of liberals

00:31:07.780 did react

00:31:08.500 to my tweet

00:31:09.100 because

00:31:09.360 I think it was

00:31:10.360 viewed by

00:31:11.100 almost 200,000

00:31:13.020 maybe more than

00:31:13.600 200,000 people

00:31:14.560 so when it reaches

00:31:16.000 that threshold

00:31:16.840 typically liberals

00:31:18.140 will react

00:31:19.160 will post

00:31:19.900 a community note

00:31:22.120 of some sort

00:31:22.880 to basically

00:31:23.980 downgrade the message

00:31:25.260 but the message

00:31:25.820 was pretty clear

00:31:26.740 our economy

00:31:27.860 is struggling

00:31:29.220 deeply

00:31:30.180 and we

00:31:31.380 I think we fail

00:31:32.700 many people

00:31:33.600 are failing

00:31:34.300 to see any

00:31:35.120 really strong

00:31:36.380 solution

00:31:36.920 for our economy

00:31:37.940 moving forward

00:31:38.760 you point out

00:31:40.680 youth unemployment

00:31:42.060 and

00:31:42.540 those jobs 0.65

00:31:44.040 aren't just

00:31:44.400 important financially

00:31:45.500 I think back

00:31:46.540 to my first

00:31:47.480 real job

00:31:48.380 besides

00:31:48.900 mowing lawns

00:31:50.140 it was a job

00:31:50.920 at the local

00:31:51.380 amusement park

00:31:52.180 I still remember

00:31:53.160 I'm old enough

00:31:53.720 the minimum wage

00:31:54.640 was $4.35

00:31:56.340 it wasn't the money

00:31:58.520 that made that job

00:31:59.640 so useful to me

00:32:00.740 it was

00:32:01.580 learning how to work

00:32:03.120 show up on time

00:32:04.420 15 minutes early

00:32:05.680 show up with a clean uniform

00:32:07.420 how do you handle a boss

00:32:09.040 how do you handle a customer

00:32:10.480 that's rude

00:32:11.040 those are all lessons

00:32:12.420 far more valuable

00:32:13.480 than the $4.35 an hour

00:32:15.820 and by the way

00:32:16.920 you can't get to a second job

00:32:18.840 until you've had the first job

00:32:20.040 and so it's like

00:32:21.120 if you can't get that first job

00:32:23.160 it's like the first rung

00:32:24.160 on a ladder

00:32:24.820 and so

00:32:25.680 here's something

00:32:27.380 I've heard a lot

00:32:28.200 in the debate

00:32:28.780 about temporary

00:32:29.500 foreign workers

00:32:30.320 professor

00:32:30.820 is

00:32:31.880 I've heard

00:32:32.840 in fact just the other day

00:32:33.960 we had

00:32:34.340 an advocate

00:32:35.600 from the Canadian

00:32:36.320 Federation of Independent

00:32:37.440 Business

00:32:37.800 saying

00:32:38.260 no one wants

00:32:39.740 those jobs 0.65

00:32:40.440 no Canadians 1.00

00:32:41.160 want those jobs 1.00

00:32:42.060 no one wants

00:32:42.680 the crummy jobs

00:32:44.120 the late night jobs

00:32:45.800 and I thought

00:32:46.680 hang on

00:32:47.400 how do you say that

00:32:48.460 because when I was young

00:32:49.800 when you were young

00:32:50.760 actually young people

00:32:52.560 were sort of excited

00:32:53.360 about their first job

00:32:54.800 and maybe they make friends

00:32:55.640 I made friends

00:32:56.440 because I was working

00:32:57.240 with other 14

00:32:58.140 I was 14

00:32:58.760 I was working

00:32:59.700 with other 14 year olds

00:33:00.680 it was sort of exciting

00:33:01.560 and nerve wracking

00:33:02.520 how

00:33:05.000 I want to talk

00:33:06.680 about your essay

00:33:07.280 about temporary

00:33:07.860 foreign workers

00:33:08.440 in a minute

00:33:08.880 because you make

00:33:09.560 some interesting points

00:33:10.400 about agriculture

00:33:11.120 but for retail jobs

00:33:13.160 and this is where

00:33:13.760 the CFIB

00:33:14.580 advocate

00:33:15.600 was really going to bat

00:33:16.540 she was saying

00:33:17.080 no one wants

00:33:17.860 to work

00:33:18.380 the midnight shift

00:33:19.660 at the McDonald's

00:33:20.440 drive-thru in Canada

00:33:21.400 and I just don't think

00:33:22.420 that's right

00:33:23.000 I don't think

00:33:23.760 she's accurate

00:33:24.340 what do you think

00:33:26.240 are Canadians

00:33:26.860 too snobby

00:33:27.980 to take those jobs

00:33:29.480 or is it just

00:33:30.040 that there's this

00:33:30.780 underclass

00:33:31.680 of indentured workers

00:33:33.920 who are undercutting

00:33:35.320 Canadians

00:33:35.800 what's your view

00:33:36.680 where do you stand

00:33:37.380 on that one

00:33:37.960 no absolutely

00:33:39.540 I mean

00:33:40.120 again

00:33:41.460 a lot of people

00:33:42.660 were mentioning

00:33:44.320 well you're the food professor

00:33:45.640 why would you care

00:33:46.400 about unemployment

00:33:47.220 well

00:33:47.740 if you're not employed

00:33:48.980 it's hard to

00:33:49.860 feed yourself

00:33:50.820 that's why

00:33:51.780 it matters a lot

00:33:52.880 and to your point

00:33:54.000 about the industry

00:33:54.840 I mean

00:33:55.460 youth is

00:33:56.700 is a big deal

00:33:57.720 of course

00:33:59.220 you

00:33:59.440 you learn

00:34:00.220 the basics

00:34:01.300 of

00:34:01.840 of the

00:34:02.440 of the labor force

00:34:03.980 when you start

00:34:04.980 at the age of 15

00:34:06.140 16

00:34:06.540 17

00:34:06.960 and

00:34:07.500 I

00:34:08.540 I do

00:34:09.120 I do agree

00:34:10.560 with you

00:34:11.160 that

00:34:12.160 context

00:34:13.560 matters a whole lot

00:34:14.860 perhaps a decade ago

00:34:16.200 where things were

00:34:16.840 really easy

00:34:17.560 and our unemployment

00:34:18.420 rate was very low

00:34:19.680 probably kids

00:34:21.780 young adults

00:34:23.160 weren't all that

00:34:23.980 interested in

00:34:24.820 in jobs

00:34:26.100 working at midnight

00:34:27.220 in a fast food

00:34:28.620 restaurant

00:34:29.020 but

00:34:29.860 now

00:34:31.140 the job market

00:34:32.380 is very different

00:34:33.320 the economy

00:34:34.120 is very different

00:34:34.960 and I can tell you

00:34:37.140 that many

00:34:37.840 of our

00:34:38.500 university students

00:34:39.440 have actually

00:34:39.940 struggled to find

00:34:40.820 jobs over the summer

00:34:41.840 just because

00:34:42.800 there's just

00:34:43.700 no opportunities

00:34:45.160 out there

00:34:45.840 and you want

00:34:46.560 those opportunities

00:34:47.220 to be

00:34:48.060 basically

00:34:48.580 not only

00:34:49.320 not only

00:34:50.740 to learn

00:34:51.220 how to have a boss

00:34:52.200 to learn

00:34:52.500 how to show up

00:34:53.060 on time

00:34:53.500 but you want

00:34:54.080 a line

00:34:54.480 on your resume

00:34:55.180 to get to the next

00:34:56.140 step

00:34:56.520 and get experience

00:34:58.420 and so

00:34:58.980 right now

00:34:59.740 we're seeing

00:35:00.360 this small

00:35:01.280 generation

00:35:01.980 this mini

00:35:02.820 generation

00:35:03.440 being robbed

00:35:04.820 of some

00:35:05.360 of these

00:35:05.700 opportunities

00:35:06.180 and

00:35:06.540 and by the way

00:35:07.620 a decade ago

00:35:08.640 25%

00:35:10.360 of Canadians

00:35:11.820 their first job

00:35:12.980 was either

00:35:13.740 in food service

00:35:14.800 or hospitality

00:35:15.860 right

00:35:16.460 25

00:35:17.380 so one

00:35:18.100 came out of four

00:35:19.060 their first job

00:35:19.880 was in the food industry

00:35:21.240 but my guess

00:35:23.100 now

00:35:23.760 10 years later

00:35:24.680 that percentage

00:35:25.440 has gone

00:35:25.900 way down

00:35:26.640 because there are

00:35:27.400 few opportunities

00:35:28.500 out there

00:35:29.460 right

00:35:29.760 we'll talk more

00:35:30.640 about that

00:35:30.980 in a second 0.78

00:35:31.400 I just want to quote

00:35:32.340 a very shocking

00:35:34.000 line

00:35:34.660 from your essay

00:35:35.680 in the National Post

00:35:37.080 and I

00:35:37.440 you know

00:35:38.400 I'll just read it

00:35:39.520 you said

00:35:40.480 as of July

00:35:41.480 2025

00:35:42.300 youth

00:35:43.840 unemployment

00:35:44.560 ages

00:35:45.200 15 to 24

00:35:46.580 sat at

00:35:47.660 14.6%

00:35:49.440 the highest level

00:35:50.660 since 2010

00:35:51.400 outside the pandemic

00:35:52.560 but then here's the part

00:35:53.820 that actually really scared me

00:35:55.020 and maybe professor

00:35:56.000 you could expand on this

00:35:57.040 the youth

00:35:58.320 employment rate

00:35:59.940 and I think

00:36:00.940 some of our viewers

00:36:01.580 might need help

00:36:02.100 to define that

00:36:02.800 not the unemployment rate

00:36:04.500 but the youth

00:36:05.000 employment rate

00:36:06.220 fell to

00:36:07.300 53.6%

00:36:08.720 the lowest

00:36:09.680 since 1998

00:36:10.940 in non-pandemic years

00:36:12.440 so that

00:36:13.100 so

00:36:13.680 that means

00:36:14.720 46.4%

00:36:17.480 of young people

00:36:18.280 are not even

00:36:19.820 out there

00:36:20.520 trying to get a job

00:36:22.160 unemployment

00:36:23.180 if I'm not

00:36:23.780 professor correct me

00:36:24.820 if I'm wrong

00:36:25.220 those are people

00:36:26.020 who are trying

00:36:26.560 to find a job

00:36:27.360 who can't

00:36:28.040 but the employment

00:36:29.880 rate is basically

00:36:30.800 okay who's even looking

00:36:32.100 that's right

00:36:33.240 exactly

00:36:34.220 so it's the whole

00:36:35.220 it's the whole market

00:36:36.540 basically

00:36:37.180 and so it means

00:36:38.400 that one out of two

00:36:40.100 youth are working

00:36:41.440 basically

00:36:41.940 so we have

00:36:42.540 we have a lot of talent

00:36:43.620 that may have actually

00:36:44.980 given up

00:36:45.640 on the market

00:36:46.360 basically

00:36:47.120 and standing on the sideline

00:36:48.900 and then they're waiting

00:36:50.300 for things to get better

00:36:51.500 and they're staying at home

00:36:52.800 perhaps with their parents

00:36:54.180 while we're actually

00:36:55.780 going through this storm

00:36:56.900 so that's

00:36:57.620 and that's really

00:36:58.580 just awful

00:36:59.640 for the economy

00:37:00.440 you know

00:37:01.680 I hear a lot

00:37:02.920 of anecdotes

00:37:03.820 about people

00:37:04.540 applying for a job

00:37:05.700 and 200 other people

00:37:08.300 applying for that job

00:37:09.480 now I was talking

00:37:10.980 again I'm referring

00:37:12.140 to this debate

00:37:12.720 our lab

00:37:13.620 just two months ago

00:37:15.260 we had one RA

00:37:16.640 position open

00:37:18.580 we posted on LinkedIn

00:37:20.260 I received 334 applicants

00:37:24.040 oh my gosh

00:37:25.200 for a job

00:37:25.820 that really

00:37:26.420 it was for 250 hours

00:37:28.900 that's it

00:37:29.560 it was a contract

00:37:30.460 yeah

00:37:30.780 you imagine

00:37:31.720 yeah

00:37:32.480 now I'm sure

00:37:33.720 some of those

00:37:34.300 were not serious

00:37:35.420 applications

00:37:36.500 but I'm sure

00:37:37.520 out of those 300 plus

00:37:38.640 there were probably

00:37:39.300 I don't know

00:37:40.180 probably 50

00:37:40.980 very serious contenders

00:37:42.640 right

00:37:43.260 I mean

00:37:43.440 I don't know

00:37:44.000 how LinkedIn works

00:37:44.700 I think it's easy

00:37:45.380 for people just to click

00:37:46.420 apply apply

00:37:46.940 but

00:37:47.200 but if you

00:37:48.540 I mean

00:37:49.020 and that's

00:37:49.840 actually

00:37:50.300 when you go on LinkedIn

00:37:51.860 you basically can program

00:37:53.680 who can apply

00:37:55.180 oh

00:37:55.880 so

00:37:56.500 of course

00:37:57.460 some of them

00:37:58.200 are very good

00:37:59.440 at going around

00:38:00.660 some of these rules

00:38:01.680 but generally speaking

00:38:03.200 you're not wasting your time

00:38:04.460 when you're reviewing

00:38:05.260 a resume on LinkedIn

00:38:06.460 so it was

00:38:07.360 it was a lot of work

00:38:08.400 and I was able to interview

00:38:09.700 about six or seven people

00:38:11.480 and they were incredibly qualified

00:38:13.620 wow

00:38:14.200 wow

00:38:14.860 okay well I've learned something from you

00:38:16.560 thank you for

00:38:17.240 for that

00:38:17.860 here's what I learned

00:38:19.780 in my

00:38:20.220 I was debating

00:38:21.040 the national policy director

00:38:23.260 the CFIB

00:38:24.040 and I

00:38:24.500 I invited her on saying

00:38:25.680 look I'm a skeptic

00:38:26.520 of the temporary foreign workers

00:38:27.540 and she's representing

00:38:28.740 her clients

00:38:29.300 which are employers

00:38:30.120 and obviously

00:38:31.000 it's in the employer's interest

00:38:32.620 to have lower wages

00:38:33.480 and she said something

00:38:35.020 that that hit me

00:38:35.980 like a two by four

00:38:36.940 she said

00:38:37.340 Ezra

00:38:37.680 just because you see

00:38:39.160 a foreign national

00:38:40.520 working at a retail shop

00:38:42.720 at a drive-thru

00:38:43.720 at a

00:38:44.200 at a hospitality industry

00:38:46.080 doesn't mean

00:38:47.100 they're a temporary

00:38:47.820 foreign worker

00:38:48.600 in fact

00:38:49.660 she said

00:38:50.400 they could well be

00:38:52.080 an international student

00:38:53.620 because they're allowed

00:38:55.020 to work

00:38:55.420 I think it's 24 hours a week

00:38:56.800 which is like

00:38:57.280 sort of half time

00:38:58.080 so she said

00:38:59.400 don't blame

00:39:00.000 the temporary

00:39:00.440 foreign workers program

00:39:01.700 when I think

00:39:02.660 there's actually

00:39:03.260 more

00:39:04.040 foreign students

00:39:06.060 working

00:39:06.740 than

00:39:07.120 TFWs 0.65

00:39:08.360 and I

00:39:09.040 I have a lot to learn

00:39:10.520 but that

00:39:10.900 that doesn't make me

00:39:11.840 feel any better

00:39:12.460 by the way

00:39:13.000 makes me feel worse

00:39:14.220 but it's true

00:39:16.580 it's true

00:39:17.460 and of course

00:39:18.420 I'm of the mind

00:39:19.960 that international students

00:39:21.000 should be able to earn

00:39:24.460 because before

00:39:25.320 many years ago

00:39:26.640 international students

00:39:27.760 were only allowed

00:39:28.440 to work on campus

00:39:29.940 that changed

00:39:31.300 a few years ago

00:39:32.260 they're allowed now

00:39:33.340 to work off campus

00:39:34.800 and I'll be honest with you

00:39:36.460 I did see a lot of

00:39:37.520 international students

00:39:37.980 that were incredibly poor

00:39:39.380 and couldn't feed themselves

00:39:40.840 because they were sent

00:39:42.640 overseas

00:39:43.300 by their parents

00:39:44.360 and they were too proud

00:39:45.720 to ask for money

00:39:46.860 and so

00:39:47.720 that's the reality

00:39:49.400 for students

00:39:50.240 international students

00:39:50.720 I think it's actually

00:39:51.420 a good thing

00:39:52.080 and of course

00:39:53.020 you want them

00:39:54.020 to stay in Canada

00:39:55.060 and so

00:39:55.860 universities and colleges

00:39:57.200 are great

00:39:58.100 great agencies

00:39:59.560 to recruit talent

00:40:00.860 from abroad

00:40:01.560 and

00:40:02.520 what we saw

00:40:03.580 before the change

00:40:04.880 in policy

00:40:05.440 were students

00:40:06.300 coming in

00:40:07.040 they got their degrees

00:40:08.440 and then they left

00:40:09.440 and now

00:40:10.960 we're seeing more

00:40:11.800 international students

00:40:12.540 staying in Canada

00:40:13.520 now the problem

00:40:14.540 with the program

00:40:15.240 is that they're

00:40:15.960 they're working

00:40:16.920 for Tim Hortons

00:40:17.620 and Burger King

00:40:18.420 you want them

00:40:19.300 to actually carry on

00:40:20.680 and work

00:40:21.220 in other jobs

00:40:22.140 qualifying jobs

00:40:23.240 or better qualifying jobs

00:40:25.100 but it's not necessarily

00:40:26.740 always happening

00:40:28.020 that's a big problem there

00:40:29.440 well

00:40:30.320 I know

00:40:31.200 that some

00:40:32.260 international students

00:40:33.380 especially in the past

00:40:34.760 traditionally

00:40:35.340 they've been the best

00:40:36.700 and the brightest

00:40:37.200 of their home countries

00:40:38.320 in fact

00:40:38.760 sometimes people

00:40:39.780 criticize it

00:40:40.680 when the Harvards

00:40:41.960 and the Yales

00:40:42.580 and the University of Toronto

00:40:43.720 and the McGills

00:40:44.380 skim the cream

00:40:46.080 off these third world countries

00:40:47.760 and take away

00:40:48.420 the top talent

00:40:49.120 sometimes people

00:40:50.480 have said

00:40:50.780 hey you're taking

00:40:51.500 our best and brightest

00:40:52.240 away

00:40:52.760 we need that person

00:40:54.800 in Rwanda

00:40:55.660 or Uganda

00:40:56.500 to help build up

00:40:57.420 but I don't know

00:40:58.580 if that's the case anymore

00:40:59.720 I think there's so many

00:41:01.100 foreign international students

00:41:03.400 they're not all

00:41:04.500 cream of the crop

00:41:05.400 and so many

00:41:06.660 of these so-called

00:41:07.380 diploma bills

00:41:08.220 have popped up

00:41:09.040 that are basically

00:41:10.060 I think

00:41:10.780 shell companies

00:41:12.460 for immigration consultants

00:41:13.800 where you pay

00:41:14.780 tuition

00:41:15.980 but there's really

00:41:17.220 no school

00:41:17.880 there's no physical school

00:41:18.980 it's not like

00:41:19.760 someone's coming to McGill

00:41:21.280 and sitting in your class

00:41:22.620 like a scholar

00:41:23.780 I think it's a bit

00:41:24.940 of an immigration trick

00:41:26.100 and that's

00:41:27.580 they're working

00:41:28.080 at you know

00:41:29.300 Tim Hortons

00:41:30.360 because that's

00:41:31.540 their skill level

00:41:32.320 these are not

00:41:33.200 budding doctors

00:41:34.480 engineers

00:41:34.980 accountants

00:41:35.560 scientists

00:41:35.980 they're people

00:41:36.900 who spent 20 grand

00:41:38.160 on a college

00:41:39.720 to get their footprint

00:41:40.880 into Canada

00:41:41.500 it's sort of

00:41:42.000 an immigration trick 0.97

00:41:42.900 am I being too harsh

00:41:44.060 professor

00:41:44.600 no

00:41:45.720 no

00:41:46.200 I think your

00:41:47.180 your portrayal

00:41:48.360 of these diploma

00:41:50.020 mills

00:41:51.760 as they are known

00:41:53.220 is accurate

00:41:54.360 now

00:41:54.900 my

00:41:55.760 my concern

00:41:56.820 about Canada

00:41:58.080 with

00:41:59.420 with the change

00:42:00.240 in policy

00:42:00.760 around international

00:42:01.800 students

00:42:02.320 in the last few years

00:42:03.200 there's been

00:42:03.600 a lot of changes

00:42:04.920 and frankly

00:42:05.800 some inconsistencies

00:42:07.240 with the liberal

00:42:08.520 government

00:42:09.120 if you talk

00:42:10.520 to recruiters

00:42:11.360 abroad

00:42:11.780 that

00:42:12.600 that their job

00:42:13.720 is to actually

00:42:14.260 recruit the best

00:42:15.220 the cream of the crop

00:42:16.480 internationally

00:42:17.540 to get them

00:42:18.300 into our schools

00:42:19.000 in Canada

00:42:19.560 because of

00:42:21.400 of the liberals

00:42:22.600 approach

00:42:24.280 to international

00:42:25.820 students

00:42:26.440 you know

00:42:28.180 a few years ago

00:42:29.240 and I did travel

00:42:30.220 internationally

00:42:30.740 to develop

00:42:32.020 new partnerships

00:42:32.800 with schools

00:42:33.540 in China

00:42:34.340 in Thailand

00:42:35.460 in Europe

00:42:36.480 in the United States

00:42:38.240 in Brazil

00:42:38.920 I was just in Brazil

00:42:39.780 in June

00:42:40.340 and Canada

00:42:41.520 used to have

00:42:42.380 a very good name

00:42:43.820 students wanted

00:42:45.140 to come

00:42:46.040 to Canada

00:42:46.660 so we were

00:42:47.360 basically

00:42:47.840 at the top

00:42:49.440 of the list

00:42:51.140 of countries

00:42:51.880 that

00:42:52.220 well students

00:42:53.260 wanted to go

00:42:54.120 and they aspired

00:42:55.400 to go to Canada

00:42:56.100 not anymore

00:42:56.780 because of the

00:42:58.200 inconsistencies

00:42:58.960 that we saw

00:42:59.700 coming from Ottawa

00:43:01.360 and now

00:43:02.240 Canada

00:43:03.580 would say

00:43:04.160 is barely

00:43:05.540 in the top 10

00:43:06.380 maybe below

00:43:07.260 the top 10

00:43:08.100 and other countries

00:43:09.660 are now being preferred

00:43:10.780 and that's going

00:43:11.340 to make things

00:43:12.000 this is

00:43:12.660 this is going

00:43:13.360 to last

00:43:13.840 for years

00:43:14.500 and years

00:43:15.020 and years

00:43:15.400 so to recruit

00:43:16.300 good talented

00:43:17.760 students

00:43:18.440 international students

00:43:19.120 it's going

00:43:19.820 to become

00:43:20.180 more and more

00:43:20.960 difficult

00:43:21.340 for colleges

00:43:22.220 and universities

00:43:23.260 in Canada

00:43:23.900 you know what

00:43:27.180 it'll be interesting

00:43:27.740 to see what happens

00:43:28.560 because I

00:43:29.100 I think

00:43:29.960 something's going

00:43:31.080 to break

00:43:31.360 the numbers

00:43:31.720 are so high

00:43:32.420 and we've had

00:43:32.920 unemployment

00:43:33.820 increasing a few

00:43:35.040 months in a row

00:43:35.700 I feel like

00:43:36.860 the system

00:43:37.380 it's been quick

00:43:38.660 it's been quick

00:43:39.960 oh yeah

00:43:40.460 very quick

00:43:41.160 and I'm not sure

00:43:43.360 if people understand

00:43:44.780 what's happening

00:43:45.520 right now

00:43:46.100 I do feel

00:43:47.160 that a lot of

00:43:47.860 Canadians

00:43:48.080 are in denial

00:43:49.020 they're saying

00:43:50.220 well eventually

00:43:51.200 the US

00:43:52.140 will suffer

00:43:52.960 Canada

00:43:54.400 will come back

00:43:55.680 well

00:43:56.400 let's face it

00:43:57.700 we're still

00:43:58.240 we still have

00:43:58.840 a highly

00:43:59.220 integrated

00:43:59.680 economy

00:44:00.300 and right

00:44:01.280 now

00:44:01.600 when you

00:44:01.960 look at

00:44:02.340 numbers

00:44:02.780 coming out

00:44:03.220 of the US

00:44:03.680 they're much

00:44:04.140 stronger

00:44:04.640 than in Canada

00:44:05.400 the economic

00:44:07.220 foundations

00:44:07.900 in the US

00:44:08.680 are much

00:44:09.700 much stronger

00:44:10.420 than in Canada

00:44:11.080 and that's

00:44:12.080 why we're

00:44:12.520 bleeding

00:44:13.100 jaws

00:44:13.740 right now

00:44:14.220 and I don't

00:44:14.720 think it's

00:44:15.140 going to

00:44:15.520 stop

00:44:15.980 unfortunately

00:44:16.760 and that's

00:44:18.600 why the

00:44:18.840 Bank of

00:44:19.160 Canada

00:44:19.360 is thinking

00:44:19.740 of reducing

00:44:20.540 its

00:44:21.380 benchmark

00:44:22.220 rate now

00:44:23.060 and we

00:44:23.440 weren't

00:44:24.020 hearing that

00:44:24.740 just a few

00:44:25.300 months ago

00:44:26.080 isn't that

00:44:27.480 interesting

00:44:27.920 now you

00:44:28.860 do

00:44:29.300 I'll say

00:44:30.100 a word

00:44:30.380 for Mark

00:44:30.940 Carney

00:44:31.200 your essay

00:44:32.120 is entitled

00:44:32.600 on food

00:44:33.520 security

00:44:34.080 liberals

00:44:35.140 temp

00:44:35.700 foreign worker

00:44:36.460 plan

00:44:36.820 is better

00:44:37.320 the liberal

00:44:38.060 plan led

00:44:38.580 by Mark

00:44:38.960 Carney

00:44:39.220 opts for

00:44:40.000 reform

00:44:40.600 rather than

00:44:41.220 elimination

00:44:41.840 and of course

00:44:42.560 you're coming

00:44:42.940 from the food

00:44:43.520 perspective

00:44:44.040 let me tell

00:44:44.620 you my

00:44:44.840 anecdote

00:44:45.200 that I

00:44:45.500 told the

00:44:45.820 CFIB

00:44:46.260 when I

00:44:46.580 was growing

00:44:46.920 up in

00:44:47.260 Calgary

00:44:47.660 there was

00:44:48.360 a Saskatoon

00:44:49.160 farm

00:44:49.700 in southern

00:44:50.740 south of

00:44:51.780 Calgary

00:44:52.120 where it

00:44:53.400 was really

00:44:53.760 a family

00:44:54.320 but then

00:44:54.760 once a

00:44:55.240 year

00:44:55.400 they had

00:44:55.700 to pick

00:44:56.320 all these

00:44:56.800 Saskatoon

00:44:57.260 berries

00:44:57.600 extremely

00:44:58.280 quickly

00:44:58.760 just for

00:44:59.840 a set

00:45:00.200 period of

00:45:00.620 time

00:45:00.820 and they

00:45:01.040 just

00:45:01.200 didn't

00:45:01.420 have

00:45:01.600 the

00:45:01.800 manpower

00:45:02.320 so they

00:45:03.040 would

00:45:03.180 bring

00:45:03.380 in a

00:45:03.680 team

00:45:04.140 of Mexican

00:45:04.660 workers

00:45:05.060 that they

00:45:05.920 knew

00:45:06.140 and this

00:45:06.780 owner

00:45:06.980 spoke

00:45:07.300 Spanish

00:45:08.000 and they

00:45:08.780 had brought

00:45:09.060 the same

00:45:11.840 it was only

00:45:12.400 for a period

00:45:12.920 of time

00:45:13.260 let's call

00:45:13.580 it a month

00:45:14.020 I don't

00:45:14.320 know

00:45:14.560 and it

00:45:15.260 was a

00:45:15.720 burst

00:45:16.040 like he

00:45:16.420 needed to

00:45:17.000 quintuple

00:45:17.580 his

00:45:17.880 workforce

00:45:18.520 just for

00:45:19.360 a month

00:45:19.780 though

00:45:20.060 and that

00:45:20.900 didn't seem

00:45:21.700 unfair

00:45:22.560 that didn't

00:45:23.060 seem

00:45:23.380 like he

00:45:24.200 was taking

00:45:24.640 advantage

00:45:25.000 of either

00:45:25.540 Canadians

00:45:26.460 or Mexicans 0.99

00:45:27.180 and I

00:45:29.180 compare that

00:45:29.920 to where

00:45:30.420 I see

00:45:31.280 foreign

00:45:32.060 workers

00:45:32.360 now

00:45:32.780 and I'll

00:45:33.900 just say

00:45:34.580 Tim Hortons

00:45:35.100 again

00:45:35.320 because it's

00:45:35.680 I think

00:45:35.940 the experience

00:45:36.440 most people

00:45:36.860 know

00:45:37.020 that's not

00:45:37.500 a specialty

00:45:38.020 job

00:45:38.500 that's not

00:45:39.240 a quick

00:45:39.720 season

00:45:40.180 that's over

00:45:40.860 that's not

00:45:41.880 in a

00:45:42.460 rural setting

00:45:43.620 where maybe

00:45:44.080 it's hard

00:45:44.460 to find

00:45:45.000 young people

00:45:45.880 because they're

00:45:46.240 all working

00:45:46.600 on their

00:45:46.880 family farms

00:45:47.560 that's right

00:45:48.080 I think

00:45:48.920 that if you

00:45:49.440 and by the

00:45:50.340 way you need

00:45:51.220 some certain

00:45:51.940 skills and

00:45:52.720 physical strength

00:45:53.440 to work

00:45:53.840 in a farm

00:45:54.400 that I don't

00:45:55.220 think you need

00:45:55.720 to work

00:45:56.080 at Tim Hortons

00:45:56.720 Tim Hortons

00:45:57.800 is the ultimate

00:45:58.600 entry-level job

00:46:00.280 for a teenager

00:46:01.400 in any city

00:46:02.580 and that's

00:46:03.940 what I think

00:46:04.840 people start

00:46:05.820 to feel like

00:46:06.400 these have

00:46:07.160 really moved

00:46:08.460 away from

00:46:08.900 their original

00:46:09.360 purpose

00:46:09.800 talk to me

00:46:10.960 a little bit

00:46:11.400 more about

00:46:11.820 your thinking

00:46:12.500 because obviously

00:46:13.220 you want to

00:46:13.740 preserve

00:46:14.180 the farm

00:46:15.480 aspect

00:46:15.920 the food

00:46:16.520 aspect

00:46:16.880 here

00:46:17.220 at the

00:46:18.220 farm

00:46:18.940 level

00:46:19.260 take it

00:46:19.780 away

00:46:19.960 tell me

00:46:20.280 tell me

00:46:20.680 your thesis

00:46:21.220 yeah

00:46:22.140 no absolutely

00:46:22.720 and so

00:46:24.020 the reality

00:46:25.600 of farming

00:46:26.660 really gets

00:46:28.200 farmers to

00:46:29.700 hire

00:46:30.240 international

00:46:31.680 workers

00:46:32.300 I think

00:46:33.120 both parties

00:46:34.840 both the

00:46:35.300 conservatives

00:46:35.640 and liberals

00:46:36.180 actually recognize

00:46:37.160 that

00:46:37.620 I would say

00:46:39.040 that

00:46:39.380 when it

00:46:39.960 comes to

00:46:40.680 horticulture

00:46:41.860 Guatemalans

00:46:43.420 and Mexicans 0.56

00:46:44.580 are very good

00:46:45.400 with their

00:46:45.880 hands

00:46:46.320 they're known

00:46:47.100 to be very

00:46:47.980 gentle

00:46:49.200 and you want

00:46:50.620 gentle

00:46:51.120 but quick

00:46:52.000 efficient hands

00:46:53.060 to get to

00:46:54.600 strawberries

00:46:55.240 blueberries

00:46:55.860 and things like

00:46:56.660 that because

00:46:57.120 you want a

00:46:57.820 marketable product

00:46:58.920 they just

00:46:59.820 have that gene

00:47:01.060 basically

00:47:01.600 and so

00:47:02.240 when you hire

00:47:03.420 Mexicans or 0.95

00:47:04.120 Guatemalans

00:47:04.880 you not

00:47:05.800 only get

00:47:06.720 efficient

00:47:07.320 workers

00:47:07.780 but you

00:47:08.180 get good

00:47:08.960 workers

00:47:09.400 able to

00:47:10.040 really

00:47:10.460 protect the

00:47:12.060 product

00:47:12.460 and make

00:47:13.040 it marketable

00:47:13.960 and sellable

00:47:14.620 so that's

00:47:15.280 certainly

00:47:16.040 something that

00:47:16.700 they recognize

00:47:17.220 and of course

00:47:18.020 there are

00:47:18.340 foreign workers

00:47:19.000 working in

00:47:20.040 dairy

00:47:20.460 poultry

00:47:21.400 and that's

00:47:22.680 I think

00:47:23.100 that's a

00:47:23.460 necessity

00:47:23.860 I don't think

00:47:24.400 that's going

00:47:24.820 to change

00:47:25.220 and both

00:47:25.600 parties

00:47:26.020 have actually

00:47:26.520 decided

00:47:26.960 to do

00:47:27.580 that

00:47:27.900 the

00:47:28.620 concern

00:47:29.360 that I

00:47:29.680 have

00:47:29.980 with the

00:47:30.340 conservatives

00:47:30.800 approach

00:47:31.480 with Mr.

00:47:32.420 Poiliev

00:47:32.920 is that

00:47:33.400 this change

00:47:34.720 would be

00:47:35.080 too drastic

00:47:36.060 right now

00:47:37.080 because we

00:47:37.960 do have

00:47:38.660 many sectors

00:47:39.480 and I agree

00:47:40.360 with you

00:47:40.840 do we want

00:47:41.560 international

00:47:42.100 workers at

00:47:43.000 Timorans

00:47:43.480 probably not

00:47:44.720 but the reality

00:47:45.300 is that we

00:47:45.660 do now

00:47:46.320 and we have

00:47:46.920 a system

00:47:47.460 dependent on

00:47:48.340 that right

00:47:48.800 now

00:47:49.080 if you

00:47:49.680 basically

00:47:50.140 cancel the

00:47:50.960 program

00:47:51.520 you would

00:47:52.360 probably see

00:47:52.960 a lot of

00:47:53.400 family businesses

00:47:54.160 close because

00:47:55.180 they depend

00:47:55.920 on these

00:47:56.340 workers and

00:47:57.120 low wages

00:47:57.760 because it's

00:47:59.140 like heroin

00:47:59.780 we've actually

00:48:00.780 got them

00:48:01.320 addicted to

00:48:02.100 low wages

00:48:02.860 and if

00:48:03.680 we want

00:48:04.000 more

00:48:04.240 Canadians

00:48:04.760 people

00:48:06.040 here

00:48:06.940 working

00:48:07.380 in those

00:48:07.900 jobs

00:48:08.420 you're

00:48:09.500 going to

00:48:09.600 have to

00:48:09.860 raise

00:48:10.260 salaries

00:48:10.860 and that's

00:48:11.680 not necessarily

00:48:12.180 a bad

00:48:12.740 thing

00:48:13.020 it's just

00:48:13.440 you need

00:48:14.660 a natural

00:48:15.400 progression

00:48:16.000 to get

00:48:16.740 to a

00:48:17.120 certain

00:48:17.320 place

00:48:17.840 to make

00:48:18.520 these

00:48:18.800 jobs

00:48:19.300 more

00:48:19.800 attractive

00:48:20.300 to a

00:48:20.960 broader

00:48:21.360 audience

00:48:22.020 you know

00:48:23.300 I'm open

00:48:23.640 to you

00:48:24.400 know

00:48:24.540 I can

00:48:25.700 imagine

00:48:26.040 there would

00:48:26.340 be lots

00:48:26.800 of adjustments

00:48:27.520 by companies

00:48:28.340 but I

00:48:29.220 think one

00:48:29.640 of the

00:48:29.860 reasons

00:48:30.200 that so

00:48:31.300 many

00:48:31.700 restaurants

00:48:32.420 for example

00:48:32.980 have them

00:48:33.700 is because

00:48:34.380 all their

00:48:34.720 competitors

00:48:35.200 do so

00:48:35.740 it's sort

00:48:36.040 of an

00:48:36.600 arms race

00:48:37.280 so if you

00:48:38.260 took away

00:48:39.120 that

00:48:39.800 and it's

00:48:40.680 hard to

00:48:40.980 blame them

00:48:41.420 it's hard

00:48:41.840 to blame

00:48:42.260 them

00:48:42.480 but if

00:48:42.900 you undo

00:48:43.360 it

00:48:43.840 then the

00:48:44.600 reverse is

00:48:45.200 true

00:48:45.500 if they're

00:48:46.020 all having

00:48:46.640 to hire

00:48:47.200 local

00:48:47.740 maybe you're

00:48:49.480 paying 25

00:48:50.240 cents a cup

00:48:50.920 more for

00:48:51.340 coffee but

00:48:52.020 you know

00:48:52.940 the local

00:48:53.420 lad is

00:48:54.000 getting a

00:48:54.420 job

00:48:54.740 I mean

00:48:55.380 and by the

00:48:55.860 way I was

00:48:56.120 at Costco

00:48:56.560 the other

00:48:56.920 day and

00:48:57.860 I went

00:48:58.320 there really

00:48:58.780 because I

00:48:59.280 had heard

00:48:59.900 that Costco

00:49:00.420 does not

00:49:01.060 hire temporary

00:49:02.080 foreign workers

00:49:02.720 and you

00:49:03.800 could sort

00:49:04.100 of tell

00:49:04.600 I went

00:49:05.800 with my

00:49:06.060 wife and

00:49:06.400 she recognized

00:49:07.040 she said

00:49:07.460 oh he's

00:49:07.900 always here

00:49:08.420 and he's

00:49:08.780 always here

00:49:09.220 like they

00:49:10.600 really managed

00:49:11.700 to hang

00:49:12.020 on to their

00:49:12.360 staff

00:49:12.700 I'm not

00:49:13.360 praising that

00:49:13.920 company in

00:49:14.300 particular

00:49:14.620 I'm just

00:49:14.920 saying it's

00:49:15.620 a very

00:49:15.900 successful

00:49:16.320 company

00:49:16.840 you would

00:49:17.980 think they

00:49:18.400 would use

00:49:18.940 temporary

00:49:19.280 foreign

00:49:19.660 workers

00:49:19.900 but they

00:49:20.240 don't

00:49:20.760 they're

00:49:21.200 making a

00:49:21.580 go of

00:49:21.940 it

00:49:22.060 and they're

00:49:22.940 fiercely loyal

00:49:24.340 staff

00:49:24.960 I think

00:49:26.100 it's possible

00:49:26.700 I mean

00:49:27.000 listen

00:49:27.220 I'm not

00:49:27.680 running

00:49:28.100 grocery stores

00:49:28.800 I'm not

00:49:29.180 running

00:49:29.420 restaurants

00:49:29.920 but I

00:49:30.660 think that

00:49:31.180 the pendulum

00:49:32.100 has swung

00:49:32.840 swung

00:49:33.380 too far

00:49:34.140 professor

00:49:34.520 last word

00:49:35.060 to you

00:49:35.440 how is this

00:49:36.260 going to

00:49:36.560 end

00:49:36.780 you've got

00:49:37.120 Pierre Pauly

00:49:37.660 and the

00:49:37.960 conservatives

00:49:38.400 going very

00:49:39.420 hard line

00:49:40.020 on this

00:49:40.500 which is

00:49:40.980 interesting

00:49:41.380 because they

00:49:41.760 didn't talk

00:49:42.320 about it

00:49:42.680 during the

00:49:43.000 election

00:49:43.380 and you've

00:49:44.420 got Mark

00:49:44.980 Carney

00:49:45.320 saying whoa

00:49:46.100 don't get

00:49:46.820 too carried

00:49:47.320 away

00:49:47.760 how is this

00:49:48.780 going to

00:49:49.140 end

00:49:49.460 if I am

00:49:52.800 if I am

00:49:53.420 to pick a

00:49:54.020 winner here

00:49:54.640 my guess

00:49:55.200 is that

00:49:55.640 the liberals

00:49:56.160 will prevail

00:49:57.000 with the

00:49:58.200 support of

00:49:58.700 the bloc

00:49:59.280 and that's

00:50:01.360 I think

00:50:01.640 that's how

00:50:02.080 it's going

00:50:02.440 to last

00:50:03.020 I think

00:50:03.600 Mr.

00:50:03.920 Poiliev

00:50:04.220 actually

00:50:04.800 has

00:50:06.100 did what

00:50:07.020 he did

00:50:07.620 because he

00:50:08.560 wanted to

00:50:09.000 send a

00:50:09.760 clear message

00:50:10.620 about the

00:50:11.160 policy

00:50:11.580 it's bad

00:50:12.200 policy

00:50:12.680 right now

00:50:13.300 it needed

00:50:14.040 change

00:50:14.800 many years

00:50:15.700 ago

00:50:16.040 at least

00:50:16.760 now we

00:50:17.160 have parliament

00:50:17.660 talking about

00:50:18.460 it which is

00:50:18.940 a positive

00:50:19.460 and we're

00:50:20.180 basically talking

00:50:20.980 about it

00:50:21.340 because of

00:50:21.800 the conservatives

00:50:22.480 but I do

00:50:23.300 think that

00:50:23.780 the liberal

00:50:24.460 the formula

00:50:25.940 presented by

00:50:26.520 the liberals

00:50:26.920 will prevail

00:50:27.660 very interesting

00:50:28.740 well we'll keep

00:50:29.220 our eye on it

00:50:29.780 professor it's

00:50:30.300 great to catch

00:50:30.860 up with you

00:50:31.280 always interesting

00:50:32.160 I love following

00:50:33.280 you on twitter

00:50:33.820 folks if you

00:50:34.580 don't already

00:50:35.020 follow him

00:50:35.660 may I invite

00:50:36.200 you to

00:50:36.440 follow

00:50:36.700 food professor

00:50:38.340 that's his

00:50:39.000 twitter handle

00:50:39.740 or x as

00:50:40.380 it's now called

00:50:40.840 food professor

00:50:42.060 professor

00:50:42.620 sylvan charlevois

00:50:44.480 the visiting

00:50:45.080 scholar at

00:50:45.720 mcgill

00:50:45.940 great to see

00:50:46.540 you thanks

00:50:46.800 for your

00:50:47.040 time

00:50:47.320 take care

00:50:48.320 all right

00:50:48.860 bye-bye

00:50:49.260 stay with

00:50:49.960 us

00:50:50.340 more ahead

00:50:51.100 well that's

00:51:00.900 our show

00:51:01.240 for the

00:51:01.580 day

00:51:01.800 you know

00:51:02.120 we are

00:51:02.560 going to

00:51:03.200 the united

00:51:03.620 kingdom

00:51:03.940 tommy

00:51:04.340 robinson

00:51:04.760 has a

00:51:05.600 huge rally

00:51:06.460 scheduled for

00:51:07.160 this saturday

00:51:07.740 and as you

00:51:08.360 may know

00:51:08.580 we've turned

00:51:08.980 it into

00:51:09.280 sort of

00:51:09.580 a free

00:51:09.960 speech

00:51:10.320 mission

00:51:10.880 we're

00:51:11.460 bringing

00:51:11.720 a few

00:51:12.360 dozen

00:51:12.880 tommy

00:51:13.760 fans

00:51:14.360 freedom

00:51:14.840 fans

00:51:15.560 anglophiles

00:51:17.040 with us

00:51:17.480 for a few

00:51:17.940 days

00:51:18.280 of conferences

00:51:19.120 and speeches

00:51:20.080 and of course

00:51:20.980 we'll be there

00:51:21.540 at the big

00:51:21.880 rally on

00:51:22.660 saturday

00:51:23.140 ourselves

00:51:23.500 i'll be giving

00:51:23.940 a speech

00:51:24.380 as will

00:51:25.180 our friend

00:51:25.700 avi yamini

00:51:26.580 from down

00:51:27.220 under

00:51:27.440 so that's

00:51:28.400 where i'll

00:51:28.680 be but

00:51:28.980 we've got

00:51:29.340 some great

00:51:29.780 tv for you

00:51:30.520 lined up

00:51:30.940 i've got a

00:51:31.360 special show

00:51:31.940 tomorrow

00:51:32.380 about the

00:51:32.960 uk

00:51:33.200 and while

00:51:34.800 i'm actually

00:51:35.360 in the uk

00:51:36.060 later on this

00:51:36.740 week we'll

00:51:37.420 have reports

00:51:37.960 from the

00:51:39.720 uk as well

00:51:40.420 as of course

00:51:41.320 david manzies

00:51:41.940 and sheila gun

00:51:42.460 reid holding

00:51:42.880 the fort up

00:51:43.500 here

00:51:43.740 we're going

00:51:44.760 to have lots

00:51:45.300 of news

00:51:45.600 for you

00:51:45.860 oh my gosh

00:51:46.420 it's going

00:51:46.680 to be a

00:51:46.920 huge rally

00:51:47.480 you might

00:51:48.660 remember that

00:51:49.160 efron and i

00:51:50.020 went down to

00:51:50.600 sao paulo

00:51:51.280 for a 200

00:51:52.340 000 person

00:51:53.680 free speech

00:51:54.360 rally about

00:51:55.520 a year ago

00:51:56.200 when their

00:51:57.700 socialist government

00:51:59.840 was censoring

00:52:00.860 twitter

00:52:01.240 this rally

00:52:02.500 in the uk

00:52:03.240 could be

00:52:03.820 200 000

00:52:04.620 people also

00:52:05.580 it really

00:52:06.040 could be

00:52:06.500 we'll find

00:52:07.200 out soon

00:52:07.520 enough

00:52:07.820 from all

00:52:08.800 of us

00:52:09.000 here at

00:52:09.260 rebel world

00:52:09.680 headquarters

00:52:10.180 to you

00:52:10.520 at home

00:52:10.880 good night

00:52:11.460 and keep

00:52:12.400 fighting for

00:52:12.900 freedom

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Rebel News Podcast - September 09, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Poilievre stands up for young people with latest housing announcement

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