Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Prepping for the WEF summit in Davos with Dr. James Lindsay

00:00:00.300 Forgive me my sore throat today guys, but I've got a great show today. One of my favorite people to interview, Dr. James Lindsay.

00:00:08.000 I asked him for tips on how to cover the World Economic Forum in Davos. By the time this podcast goes to air, I will be on the plane flying to the World Economic Forum.

00:00:18.960 So I basically talked to Dr. James for 45 minutes, getting his advice on what to do and say in Davos. You don't want to miss it.

00:00:26.000 But to get the video version of this podcast, just go to rebelnewsplus.com. It's eight bucks a month.

00:00:34.540 You get the video version of it. But more importantly, from my point of view, you support Rebel News because, you know, we don't take a dime from government.

00:00:41.360 And this is the kind of thing you will never see on a government channel. Tough questions to ask the World Economic Forum.

00:00:46.940 All right. Here's today's podcast.

00:00:56.000 Tonight, in my last show, before I go to the World Economic Forum, I get a briefing from Dr. James Lindsay on what I should look out for in Davos.

00:01:13.400 It's January 11th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:16.080 You're fighting for freedom!

00:01:19.280 Shame on you, you sensorism bug!

00:01:22.400 Well, I apologize at the top of the program for my voice, and it is my enemy's favorite curse that I may lose my voice because that would lose my power and I would be resigned to typing.

00:01:42.260 But we will work through it, and hopefully by the time I land in Davos tomorrow, I'll get my voice back.

00:01:49.340 I promise I won't holler too much on my way there.

00:01:52.400 But it's an important show today because this is my last show before I depart for the World Economic Forum.

00:01:58.840 Avi Yamini, our star from Australia, is already there.

00:02:03.000 We're bringing in two Brits as well.

00:02:05.860 Calvin Robinson from GB News and our young reporter, Callum Smiles.

00:02:10.060 In addition to that on-air talent, we'll have three producers and cameramen for a total compliment, I think, of seven or eight people.

00:02:17.940 And we're going economy class all the way, of course, including sharing one big Airbnb.

00:02:22.800 That's in stark contrast to the billionaire style of the oligarchs meeting there.

00:02:27.760 Our purpose is to ask inappropriate, illegal, disobedient, and contrarian questions.

00:02:34.340 I should tell you that we've seen a guest list of Davos for the World Economic Forum, and there are plenty of journalists who are officially registered.

00:02:42.300 But they're registered not as outside observers, but as insider participants.

00:02:48.020 They're part of the elites.

00:02:49.140 They will not expose what's going on inside.

00:02:51.400 The opposite.

00:02:52.360 They'll be getting their marching orders.

00:02:54.040 They'll be learning what the new narrative, the official latest thing is.

00:02:59.120 So what should we be looking out for?

00:03:01.320 What kind of questions should we be thinking of?

00:03:04.240 What do we do if we catch a VIP on the streets of Davos and have only 30 or 60 seconds to buttonhole them before they scurry away into one of their limos?

00:03:13.740 And no, I don't expect there's any electric SUVs tuning them around.

00:03:18.560 Ask those questions.

00:03:20.120 I can think of a handful of intellectuals in the West who I would trust to be skeptical.

00:03:25.540 Too many intellectuals want to be invited to Davos, but one man who will never be invited, I can guarantee you, is our guest today.

00:03:34.000 His name is Dr. James Lindsay.

00:03:35.280 He joins us now via Skype from Knoxville, Tennessee.

00:03:38.180 What a pleasure to see you again, doctor.

00:03:39.720 Thanks for taking the time for being here, and I apologize for my voice.

00:03:43.420 But, you know, we've got to talk about this show.

00:03:46.840 We've got to talk about Davos.

00:03:48.300 And this is my last show before I get on the plane.

00:03:50.700 What's your advice to a skeptical contrarian covering Davos?

00:03:55.100 I don't want to just be a bomb thrower, so to speak.

00:03:57.140 I don't want to just be a gotcha guy.

00:03:59.520 I actually want to ask questions that reveal the truth.

00:04:02.500 What should I do?

00:04:04.480 Frankly, you've got to ask them what words that they use mean.

00:04:07.340 They've got, you know, an army of buzzwords.

00:04:09.660 Sustainability is probably the hottest ticket item.

00:04:12.120 But resilience and inclusion and these kind of words, we've become familiar with having a toxic aura around them.

00:04:19.800 It'd be fun, in my opinion, to kind of catch them out and say, when you say resilience, what specifically do you mean?

00:04:25.220 And let them kind of speak to their BS.

00:04:29.020 When you say sustainable, do you mean that you expect the institutions of the West to subscribe to, actively promote the sustainable development goals of the United Nations?

00:04:39.340 What's the relationship between the World Economic Forum, the United Nations, and its so-called Agenda 2030 to transform our world?

00:04:47.140 Those kinds of questions, I think, are at the top of the list of things that we should be pressing people on right now.

00:04:53.320 You know what I like about your answer to me is that that's a real information-gathering question.

00:05:00.340 It's not even an attack.

00:05:01.880 It's trying to coax them out from beyond the paper-thin – I mean, they have this message track, sustainability, climate action, you know, these words.

00:05:12.380 And they're never asked to follow up.

00:05:15.600 They're never asked, well, what do you mean or how does that work or how does it contradict or complement?

00:05:21.020 So they only have this shallow message because they're not – they've never engaged in a back-and-forth debate.

00:05:27.800 So simply asking them, what do you mean, which is really the basic question of all journalism.

00:05:34.880 I mean, 90 percent of journalism could be just done with what do you mean, that question.

00:05:38.860 Yeah, well, I mean, for a couple of examples, the United Nations or UNESCO more specifically has put out a number of documents in the last two to three years,

00:05:47.740 several last year, specifically saying that all colleges and higher education institutions and all primary and secondary education needs to be bent toward achieving the Sustainable Development Goals.

00:05:58.860 Our schools, literally children in kindergarten being taught, what is world hunger?

00:06:03.480 This is an agenda item that's not just coming down from UNESCO but has now been repeated by the National Education Association Foundation in the United States in official documents and putting out a booklet of curriculum.

00:06:13.780 So when we – when you have the opportunity to talk to these hyper-elite stakeholder technocrats, you should ask them, do you intend to teach five-year-olds to try to meet the United Nations Sustainable Agenda,

00:06:28.760 the Sustainable Development Goals Agenda, and why?

00:06:33.100 Why are five-year-olds necessary to get on board with this agenda to solve world problems?

00:06:38.500 Yeah.

00:06:38.940 You know, I'm thinking about some of the other buzzwords they throw around, and these buzzwords, it's like a language of a secret society.

00:06:46.640 I mean, lawyers do it. 0.99

00:06:48.300 Lawyers drop Latin words all the time.

00:06:50.420 And, I mean, partly because that's an ancient tradition.

00:06:53.400 I mean, the law is centuries or even millennia old.

00:06:55.540 So there is a legitimate reason for it, but part of it is that they're a secret priesthood, a guild, and you're not in it, and you must obey them, and you must defer to their authority,

00:07:05.580 and you must hire them and pay them because they're better than you.

00:07:08.840 Academics are the worst at that. 1.00

00:07:10.840 They use made-up words.

00:07:13.040 They write not to explain but to obscure, and the more obscure the better.

00:07:17.680 They're, it's a buzzword, it's like D-I-E, Diversity, Inclusion, and Equity, SDG, Sustainable Development Goals, just the acronyms alone.

00:07:31.880 But I don't know if any of them actually think about what those words really, really mean.

00:07:36.280 How can you be for inclusion at Davos when you don't let the public in, when you have to have a private jet and $100,000 to get a ticket?

00:07:44.340 I hear this year over $400,000, actually, to get a ticket.

00:07:49.540 Wow.

00:07:50.580 Now, what do you make of the journalists who are on the inside?

00:07:55.940 There must be a tacit agreement.

00:07:57.480 In fact, it's probably not even tacit.

00:07:58.780 They probably have to sign a nondisclosure agreement that they're on the inside, and they're not going to blab.

00:08:06.700 The U has said it.

00:08:08.060 They are likely to be getting their marching orders.

00:08:10.920 They want to be part of the club.

00:08:12.640 They're not there to report on what's going on.

00:08:15.260 They're there to report the new narrative, the new agenda.

00:08:18.820 Within the Davos meeting, and I don't draw this from some conspiracy, I read this book that the World Economic Forum published 10 years ago, or 12 years ago, called World Economic Forum, The First 40 Years, which they told what they do year by year by year, all 40 years of 1971 through 2010.

00:08:36.840 And they explained that they have closed-door meetings within Davos as well that subscribe to things like Chatham House Rules, where you can report on what was said, but you can't say who said it.

00:08:47.000 You can't rat them out.

00:08:48.200 And there are these kind of tacit agreements to subscribe to the Davos agenda, the Davos manifesto, or the Davos pledge.

00:08:54.540 And so if you're on the inside, you're probably there because you've agreed to whatever set of agreements that they've put forth in those regards.

00:09:03.760 They've said so more or less explicitly.

00:09:06.180 So I think that the journalists on the inside are not there to ask legitimate questions.

00:09:10.780 And as we saw last year, Jack Posobiec, representing, I think he was for Human Events Daily last year, went over and was filming and asking questions.

00:09:20.820 And they surrounded him with guards and machine guns and demanded to, you know, confiscate his footage and all of these things.

00:09:28.580 He ended up being fine, but they weren't very happy that there were actual outside journalists asking outside questions.

00:09:34.520 So you can surmise from that that the inside journalists are not merely tolerated, but that they're agents, they're assets of what's happening inside.

00:09:45.820 You know, I live in Canada, and our analogy to the New York Times is the Globe and Mail.

00:09:52.220 It's the old gray lady, so to speak. 0.98

00:09:55.320 It's prestigious.

00:09:57.060 Every law firm, every accounting firm, every stockbroker reads it.

00:10:00.920 And by the way, they do some excellent journalism like the New York Times does.

00:10:04.520 But you don't truly understand the purpose of the Globe and Mail, just like you don't truly understand the purpose of the Washington Post and the New York Times, unless you know who owns it.

00:10:14.940 And in the case of the New York Times, it's Mexico's richest man, Carlos Slim, who has tremendous interests in America and the world.

00:10:22.900 In the case of Washington Post, it's Jeffrey Bezos, one of the richest men in the world.

00:10:26.820 And in the case of Canada's Globe and Mail, the richest Canadian, the oligarch David Thompson, worth, what, $23 billion, that's his.

00:10:36.680 He doesn't own it to make money.

00:10:38.020 He owns it to shape the national conversation, either to suit his own business interests or because he has an ideology that he wants to promulgate.

00:10:45.820 So when I learned that the executive, the editor-in-chief of the Globe and Mail is going as an insider, I don't think, wow, they're going to blow the lid off it.

00:10:53.900 I think, oh, our oligarch is harmonizing with their oligarchs so all the birds can fly in the V formation so naturally.

00:11:03.920 That's what I think when I learned the Globe and Mail is sending a journalist, their top journalist.

00:11:07.740 That's really David Thompson's man.

00:11:09.180 That's who's going.

00:11:09.700 That's what I would agree with that completely.

00:11:13.500 And I think that that explains an awful lot of what we have seen from the kind of big established media outlets.

00:11:20.120 And to your point that they do some excellent journalism, of course they must.

00:11:23.640 If they were pure, relentless, uniform propaganda, eventually people would catch on.

00:11:29.320 There would be no way to point at legitimate articles and say, but look at this.

00:11:32.200 And it takes only a small percentage of their output to be genuine narrative shaping propaganda to do tremendous amounts of damage or to suppress certain types of stories.

00:11:42.300 There are lots of things they can do.

00:11:43.540 But I would agree with you completely that if they're going on the inside, then they are on the inside.

00:11:48.020 And one does not get on the inside of Davos without being useful to Davos.

00:11:54.440 This isn't an open public forum.

00:11:57.820 This is a very, very selective, very, very exclusive meeting.

00:12:04.000 So you must draw these conclusions.

00:12:08.120 Yeah.

00:12:08.520 You know, I was always vaguely aware of the World Economic Forum.

00:12:13.220 We have some crusading journalists in Canada like Terry Corcoran in the Financial Post who always wrote about them.

00:12:18.420 But I thought, oh, that's Terry again.

00:12:19.980 And I never looked at it until Justin Trudeau became prime minister.

00:12:25.520 And it was one of his first and splashiest trips.

00:12:29.040 And he brought an enormous entourage of journalists with him.

00:12:32.680 And when he went to Davos, he met with George Soros.

00:12:35.900 And they gave the photo of that to the press.

00:12:39.180 They were so proud of that.

00:12:40.260 And there was all these weird celebrities like Kevin Spacey that Trudeau met with and took photos with.

00:12:47.400 And it wasn't just the grossness of Justin Trudeau's debut, showing everyone his fancy socks.

00:12:52.900 That was his big move, his conversation starter.

00:12:55.560 Look at my funny socks I'm wearing.

00:12:57.020 That was the thing.

00:12:57.940 But it was how the journalists were so gaga over this cool dude after the stodgy accountant, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, the conservative.

00:13:07.700 I started really paying attention to it then.

00:13:11.300 And there's that side to it, too.

00:13:13.820 There's, you know, it's sort of like Monaco or Cannes, these cool French cities for billionaires and beautiful people.

00:13:24.820 Maybe this is like the Cannes or Monaco for ugly Bond villains.

00:13:29.960 Like they've got as much money for sure.

00:13:31.860 I mean Soros and Bill Gates are there. 0.97

00:13:33.640 There are some loser Hollywood types hanging around. 1.00

00:13:38.380 U2's Bono hangs out. 0.92

00:13:40.480 But really this is for people.

00:13:42.760 I mean they say showbiz. 0.98

00:13:44.620 Politics is showbiz for ugly people. 0.71

00:13:46.940 Well maybe the World Economic Forum is Monaco for diabolical Bond villains or something. 0.81

00:13:54.100 They're trying to be cool but really they want to manipulate the world.

00:13:58.220 I don't know.

00:13:58.480 I'm still working on that.

00:13:59.300 No, you look at Klaus Schwab and you wonder how he came directly out of central casting and you start wondering what Mike Myers knew when he did Austin Powers with Dr. Evil.

00:14:07.740 I mean it's just unbelievable.

00:14:10.520 What Davos represents though?

00:14:11.980 What the World Economic Forum meeting represents and what the World Economic Forum itself represents?

00:14:16.440 And a lot of people don't understand the nuance here is the attempt to forge what they call a public-private partnership.

00:14:22.260 The goal is to put world leaders like Trudeau or Biden or Macron or whoever in the same room under the same kind of emotional connection, collaborative experience with major industry leaders in businesses along with major leaders in the nonprofit or non-governmental organization sector.

00:14:47.340 And so you have this meeting of think tanks, government officials and big business along with under that, you know, large media magnets and their representatives.

00:14:59.240 And the goal is to get them into a collaborative mode of thought about shaping the world in a particular direction.

00:15:06.000 But in particular, it's to build those relationships that define what is the public-private partnership.

00:15:12.120 Now, those of us who speak English and don't add lots of extra syllables and hyphens recognize that a public-private partnership is fascism.

00:15:20.160 It is the union of state and corporate power to achieve totalitarian ends.

00:15:25.460 And that's exactly what we see here.

00:15:27.240 It's to figure out who are going to be the young global leaders, to penetrate the cabinets, to make sure that the policies that ruin nations like Canada are going to be.

00:15:36.280 It's to figure out what the agenda is going to look like and how different people are going to participate and how they can create ways to get them to participate without making it look like they are in an outright conspiracy.

00:15:46.700 This is the point of the World Economic Forum meeting in Davos is to forge what they call a public-private partnership for a new economic model that they call stakeholder capitalism.

00:15:58.160 So they want to identify who those stakeholders or the stakeholder representatives will be.

00:16:02.380 And, of course, we can recognize that when you create a council of technocratic elites who are going to rule the world or dictate policy for the public and private sector on a broad, top-down scale, that the Russian word for that council is the best word to use.

00:16:18.420 And the Russian word for council is, of course, Soviet.

00:16:21.520 Wow.

00:16:22.420 You know, I was looking through the board of trustees of the World Economic Forum, and I know, for example, Canada's deputy prime minister is on the board of trustees.

00:16:30.820 And I happen to know that you have to take an oath of loyalty to Canada and to the Queen to join the cabinet.

00:16:37.600 But how do you then also take an oath of loyalty and confidentiality and have a fiduciary duty to this corporate globalist entity with foreign policy and economic goals that are obviously different than that of Canada?

00:16:53.500 Even if they're only slightly different, they are different.

00:16:56.880 How can you be loyal to, like, any other entity that is in the same space as a government?

00:17:05.520 And what you said earlier about getting a prime minister and a billionaire and a media magnate in the same room, that's exactly right.

00:17:14.280 And that elevates a business person, a billionaire, an oligarch, someone who paid to play.

00:17:24.180 It elevates them to the same level as the democratically elected head of a country.

00:17:28.640 And therefore, it diminishes the value of being a democratically elected head of a country.

00:17:34.140 You know, by the way, when I say I looked at the board of trustees, I didn't tell you who I saw on there.

00:17:39.600 BlackRock, the head of BlackRock, Fink is his name, the head of Nestle, the head of the Carlyle Group, Al Gore.

00:17:48.740 These are billionaires.

00:17:50.680 These are fixers.

00:17:53.600 These are war profiteers.

00:17:57.340 Or in the case of BlackRock, they're war profiteers, and they're also going to be getting the contracts to rebuild after the war.

00:18:05.080 And to put them on the same level or even higher than a national prime minister is quite something.

00:18:12.600 I wonder if all the talk about sustainable development and diversity is really just whitewashing the plans of these oligarch billionaires.

00:18:23.060 I think it is, actually.

00:18:25.620 And the relationship that, of course, you've neglected here as well as any of these are partners or servants of the CCP as well, which, of course, Klaus Schwab at the World Economic Forum has been courting since Deng Xiaoping was in office in the 1970s.

00:18:42.720 Openly, again, I'm not – this is not a conspiracy theory.

00:18:45.260 Go read their own book that they published out of their own press called Forum Press.

00:18:49.580 The book is called The World Economic Forum, The First 40 Years.

00:18:52.980 And they brag about their attempts to create a partnership, an ongoing partnership with Deng Xiaoping starting in the 1970s, who was the successor to Mao.

00:19:02.500 He took over in 1977 after Mao died in 1976.

00:19:05.580 And immediately, they were forging a relationship with Deng Xiaoping.

00:19:10.660 And just in the past few months, if not weeks, we've heard Klaus Schwab.

00:19:15.020 We've seen videos of Klaus Schwab saying, with everything going on in China, almost unbelievably with the tyranny going on in China right now, him saying that the Chinese model is the one we should look to. 0.83

00:19:25.100 That he applauds President Xi Jinping for everything that he's done.

00:19:29.040 Maybe we should call him chairman.

00:19:29.960 So, the relationship also to the CCP can't be ignored.

00:19:34.080 To your question, though, it's actually – there is an answer.

00:19:37.660 How can you pledge loyalty to two entities that have divergent programs?

00:19:44.300 And the technical philosophical answer is called dialectical synthesis.

00:19:48.480 What that means is that you convince yourself through a network and series of lies and distortions that the two opposing agendas are actually capable of being seen as the same agenda that you then attempt to harmonize into one cohesive set of beliefs.

00:20:07.260 And so, rather than being seen as treason, if they can get all of the countries to declare that their actual national interests are following along with the Davos agenda or the sustainable development agenda of the United Nations, then there is no necessary conflict, at least not in their minds, if we want to step away from just blatant accusations that they're duplicitous and evil.

00:20:30.640 You know, I was looking through the World Economic Forum website today, and I saw this word, global citizenship, global citizenship.

00:20:40.020 Oh, yes.

00:20:40.740 And I know what national citizenship means.

00:20:43.440 I know it.

00:20:44.640 For example, when Canadian-born terrorists who went to fight with ISIS in Syria and Iraq demand to be repatriated to Canada, and they have an argument, and it's actually a centuries-old argument, maybe even longer,

00:20:58.400 that a citizen is a citizen, and they have the right to return to the country their citizenship, even if upon their return they're arrested and prosecuted and jailed for something, that is one of the rights of being a citizen.

00:21:11.160 You have other rights, as enumerated in your country's constitution, perhaps the right to vote, the right to, there's a number of rights.

00:21:17.660 But what does a global citizenship mean?

00:21:19.940 What does that mean if you can't, what does it mean for your rulers?

00:21:25.040 Because I think, to me, one of the most important things about citizenship is you get to kick out the bosses of your country if they get offside.

00:21:32.560 But how do you ever kick off, kick out the bosses of an unelected, unaccountable, secretive group like the World Economic Forum?

00:21:38.540 Isn't global citizenship just key code words for, we're replacing your national governments with King Klaus Schwab, and he'll use the language of global citizenship, but really it's a global dictatorship, and he's been there for 40 years, and he'll be there till he dies, and then it'll be taken over by other oligarchs.

00:22:02.500 It's just a fake. It's not citizenship at all. It's a kind of servitude. You're a subject, not a citizen.

00:22:11.240 I am so grateful that you brought that up, Ezra, because you asked me what kinds of questions.

00:22:16.300 This, there's no, let me impress upon you that there is no more important question to ask anybody that you can get a hold of.

00:22:23.060 What do you mean by global citizenship? What do you think that means?

00:22:27.000 Because we all know, if we spend a few minutes thinking about it or look it up, what the word citizenship means or what's, it's a relationship, right?

00:22:34.120 So what does it mean to be a citizen? It means that you're in a relationship with a sovereign.

00:22:38.000 But currently we realize there is no global sovereign.

00:22:40.680 Most of us that understand a thing or two realize we do not want a global sovereign, as you just articulated.

00:22:46.640 We should not want a global sovereign.

00:22:48.460 But if you can convince enough people that being a global citizen is something that means something to them and that it can confer privileges and rights without necessarily getting them too far into the weeds of those in exchange and the relationship come with duties,

00:23:04.680 then you have people ready to accept to make good on that agreement by creating a global government.

00:23:09.840 And so this is a very strategic narrative that's being woven and it's being delivered to our children.

00:23:16.160 Virtually all of the forward-looking education documentation of the past two to three years talks about global citizenship education and bringing global citizenship into education.

00:23:26.120 And they tell you actually in those documents what it means.

00:23:28.260 So you will be able to know and press further that what a global citizen means is somebody who has subscribed to, guess what, the sustainable development goals and achieving them by 2030, at least for the present.

00:23:38.720 So global citizenship is something that does not exist.

00:23:41.660 There's no such thing as a global citizen.

00:23:43.220 And they are trying to conjure this concept into reality.

00:23:47.160 And then on the other end, they will make good on it by establishing the global sovereign that exchanges privileges, rights and duties to the so-called citizens, which are, as you said, subjects or in fact slaves of the world with these unaccountable oligarchs operating as a council of stakeholders as their rulers.

00:24:05.800 And it's so very important to press on the global citizenship narrative, to make the global citizenship narrative visible to normal people, to get people to understand what the purpose of this and the Davos agenda and the UN agenda 2030 is and how they're working in concert.

00:24:20.980 And I think 2023 is a year in which that must happen very widely, very broadly and very quickly.

00:24:26.900 So I thank you so much for bringing up that topic.

00:24:29.060 That's so important.

00:24:30.480 Well, I'm glad to hear you think it's important.

00:24:32.940 And I'll keep that in mind when I'm off to Davos, which I will be by the time this goes to air.

00:24:37.120 I'll be on the plane.

00:24:38.140 You know, when you have these social development goals, when you have diversity, inclusion and equity goals, that's really a kind of foreign policy, but it's not a foreign policy of any government.

00:24:53.320 It's not even a foreign policy of the UN, although it is, but it's a foreign policy of BlackRock.

00:24:57.620 It's a foreign policy of Nestle.

00:24:58.940 And so they're showing you who the boss is in the global citizenship world.

00:25:05.520 It's the companies.

00:25:06.360 And the crazy thing is, I'm old enough.

00:25:08.160 I'm 50.

00:25:09.080 And I remember when I was a teenager and in my 20s, transnational corporation was a swear word from the left.

00:25:15.840 Oh, you're in league with these transnational corporations.

00:25:19.940 It was an insult.

00:25:21.260 They used to hate them.

00:25:22.280 Big pharma, military industrial complex.

00:25:26.340 The left used to hate all these things.

00:25:30.180 They used to hate the repatriation of funds out of foreign countries to these fat cat international executives.

00:25:39.040 I haven't seen that other than Bernie Sanders, who twice they've robbed.

00:25:45.860 I haven't seen, like, Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez, once in a while she grumbles about Amazon or something.

00:25:54.200 But the entire left, including the progressive left, is absolutely cool, not just with Larry, with, I think his first name is Larry Fink, the CEO of BlackRock.

00:26:05.480 But they're cool with the head of the CIA now.

00:26:08.200 They're cool with the head of the FBI.

00:26:09.620 They love hiring them on their left-wing cable channels, CNN, MSNBC. 0.83

00:26:14.820 Every CIA and FBI hack is on a left-wing TV channel just shaping the narrative.

00:26:21.460 When I was a kid, there was nothing more evil in the eyes of a leftist than the CIA.

00:26:26.360 And you'd talk to a leftist about the CIA, and they'd go on for hours about, you know, revolutions in banana republics.

00:26:33.680 And all of a sudden, all these powerful, extra-democratic entities, the left loves them.

00:26:40.600 Why is that?

00:26:42.180 Well, you know, there's an old saying is, if you scratch a hippie, you find a fascist.

00:26:45.940 And it's sort of like that, but there's another test, apparently, which is that if you give one of these leftists, you give them an avenue to achieve through kind of raw power the agendas that they value, you will also discover very quickly which ones were there by principle and which ones were there because they wish to gain power to enforce their agenda.

00:27:06.300 And it's a quite clear – I mean, we get very frustrated by it, and we get confused by it, but it's a very clarifying moment when you understand.

00:27:13.620 And what we want to understand with it is that many of these people want their values and their views and their, frankly, cult religion forced upon the world, and they are willing to sell out everything they ever fought for.

00:27:28.200 The very moment that they believed that those institutions, large corporations, large banks, intelligence agencies, and so on, were no longer repressing the left, repressing communism, but rather supporting it, they all fell in line.

00:27:44.060 They all – or nearly all – fell in line.

00:27:45.860 You have a handful of holdouts.

00:27:47.200 And so what you actually see is that the agenda for many of these people was not principled or quickly became not principled and was actually just a desire to obtain power and affect their power through whatever means necessary as their theory suggests is the case.

00:28:06.900 So what we have is a moment of actual revelation of clarity on the fact that we have a power-hungry movement that has an agenda it wishes to enforce on people, and they're finally confessing to that, not necessarily in word, but certainly in deed.

00:28:22.740 You know, I was talking about my life 35 years ago, but 20 years ago, when George W. Bush was president, and when America, for better or for worse, was going to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, there were so many movies against war.

00:28:43.540 I remember going to the Toronto International Film Festival.

00:28:46.660 Half the movies were anti-war.

00:28:48.880 Like, it was like I was back in the 60s in Vietnam again.

00:28:51.520 There were groups like, I think, Code Pink was the name.

00:28:54.400 They were always protesting against war at every event.

00:28:59.460 Those groups are no – they don't exist anymore.

00:29:03.640 In fact, the movies are pro-war.

00:29:07.840 I don't know if they make pro-war movies, but there's certainly – there is no anti-war left anymore.

00:29:13.640 And watching a significant number of Republicans, but my God, the war in Ukraine – which, by the way, I'm opposed to Putin's invasion, just let me say it for the umpteenth time – but to treat Zelensky as a saint who must be given unlimited funds and arms,

00:29:33.660 even while he talks about attacking Russia's own heartland despite their nuclear arsenal, I've just never seen such a thing.

00:29:41.520 Even Canada, Justin Trudeau, who's an anti-military pacifist who used to brag about peacekeeping, he sounds so butch.

00:29:49.860 He's like, he's ready to land on Normandy Beach himself.

00:29:52.620 I just don't – like, what is it about that war?

00:29:56.440 Is there something about that war that is intrinsically globalist?

00:30:00.680 Or why is that war so holy in the media political establishment?

00:30:06.940 I just don't get it.

00:30:07.800 I only can speculate.

00:30:10.780 My speculations are that Ukraine, which we know is extraordinarily corrupt, has extraordinary corrupt ties to the Bidens and so on, and probably others before him,

00:30:20.240 is somehow extraordinarily relevant to their program, the World Economic Forum Globalist Program.

00:30:27.540 We see the disruptions with energy, et cetera, as being something very significant.

00:30:31.980 They see that Putin is no longer somebody that they're merely controlling.

00:30:34.940 And again, I don't necessarily endorse his invasion, or at least I certainly feel for the citizens of Ukraine.

00:30:42.320 I don't feel at all for their government, which I believe is quite fake and proxy.

00:30:47.920 And of course, being fakely celebrated, what do we see?

00:30:51.160 You see right now there's a resolution in our United States House of Representatives to build a bust of Zelensky to place into the United States Capitol on the House side, which is preposterous.

00:31:01.800 I mean, he's a foreign leader.

00:31:05.340 And then we have him being brought into the World Economic Forum very explicitly.

00:31:10.200 And then we just had the Miss Universe pageant, and how did Miss Ukraine come out dressed as a battle angel with a sword? 0.59

00:31:16.840 So you do have this celebration of war and bellicose behavior now.

00:31:21.780 And again, I just bring you back when the left believed that the intelligence agencies, the corporations, the military and military industrial complex and the government were opposed to their agenda.

00:31:34.120 They hated those things.

00:31:35.340 And when they believed when they could never capture those institutions, they hated those things and they went after them.

00:31:40.220 And now that those things are fighting on their side, they love them.

00:31:43.740 And so what it was always about was a power grab from so many of the people on the left who claim to be arguing in good faith.

00:31:50.140 It was always about power.

00:31:51.540 It was about hating that which they could not get control of.

00:31:54.660 And now that they have control of it, using it in an abusive way on people.

00:31:58.160 This particular war, I said on the day that it started to great trouble for myself, and I meant it in a very technical academic sense, as people who know me know.

00:32:07.160 I was referring to something by John Baudrillard, a postmodern philosopher, but I called it fake war immediately.

00:32:12.280 He wrote a book in the 90s, if you don't know, called The Gulf War Did Not Take Place and said that what we believed was a Gulf War was a media and political construction.

00:32:20.720 It's not truly what happened, and that's what the intention behind my words were.

00:32:26.500 But this is, I think, the case.

00:32:28.500 I think that there's something about this war that is a proxy for something else.

00:32:31.640 I think that Putin has, for all of his animus against the West, has also disrupted some of the world economic form and globalist plans.

00:32:39.440 Maybe he's making agreements with China that are outside of their wheelhouse, their sphere of control, I should say. 0.78

00:32:47.060 And for whatever reason, it has tremendously upset them.

00:32:50.240 And you see, like, with Trudeau in Canada, with Biden here in the United States, with our House of Representatives here in the United States, all across Europe, that this is the biggest thing in the whole world that must be treated like the most important thing in the whole world.

00:33:03.220 And since we have literally no reason to trust any of these people anymore, that itself becomes the best evidence that there is something very fishy going on and that what we're being told about is not accurate.

00:33:12.180 I think you're right that Putin is a counterweight to the ideas of the World Economic Forum just because he's not complying with the narrative, with the plan, with, you know, join the team.

00:33:26.720 And that's not necessarily a reason to support Putin, by the way.

00:33:30.720 No, I think he's killing two birds with one stone in his mind, both this Davos globalist whatever and the West, the United States, Canada, Western Europe.

00:33:42.140 He's not a fan of any of these as well.

00:33:44.440 And if he can kill two birds with one stone, you can picture him with his short little stature sitting back and laughing his KGB laugh while he, you know, schemes out killing two birds with one stone in this regard. 0.59

00:33:55.660 So I don't think he's a friend of ours, but at the same time, I also do think he's disrupting their agenda rather tremendously.

00:34:01.860 There's a bit of a fissure in the World Economic Forum.

00:34:04.580 As you correctly say, they are so pro-China, it's shocking.

00:34:08.340 They produce all these little video shorts, like a very famous one was, You'll Own Nothing and You'll Be Happy.

00:34:16.620 They really are emphasizing eating bugs, which is so gross, I gag every time I see it.

00:34:21.620 But most of their little video shorts promote China in some way.

00:34:26.720 Obviously, most of them promote getting off fossil fuel in some way, just not for their private jets.

00:34:31.820 But there is a divide, I think, between China and some other forces within World Economic Forum.

00:34:38.860 George Soros.

00:34:40.240 Certainly George Soros.

00:34:41.360 George Soros, who is really the ultimate World Economic Forum man.

00:34:48.040 And his son is going, his son and heir, and Mini-Me, really, you mentioned Austin Powers, I think, or Dr. Evil.

00:34:59.180 Well, Mini-Me, Alex Soros, is going to the World Economic Forum.

00:35:03.260 He has become a China skeptic, I think, and he denounced Xi Jinping, if I recall, at a World Economic Forum meeting a couple years ago.

00:35:11.440 But let me ask you this, who would be the counterweights?

00:35:14.660 I'd say Vladimir Putin is a counterweight.

00:35:17.260 Is there another counterweight to the World Economic Forum?

00:35:21.400 I'm not so, I don't know about OPEC.

00:35:23.160 I don't know if the Middle Eastern wealth is joining the team, joining the BlackRock team.

00:35:31.340 Is there some other power center in the world that's not Klaus Schwab and his oligarchs?

00:35:38.060 Not of scale.

00:35:39.640 George Soros and his Open Society Foundation and the network of foundations under it is the largest one.

00:35:44.960 For those of your viewers who don't know, China state actors on Twitter, for example, labeled George Soros a terrorist of the Chinese state.

00:35:55.220 So that's probably bad if you were to go to China for him.

00:35:58.360 They also literally used the – they said George Soros is a demon.

00:36:02.640 So I don't think that the Chinese and George Soros are getting along unless this is some very elaborate theater. 0.95

00:36:08.420 But from what I understand of Soros, having listened to some amount of his lectures and read some of his writing, is that he does not want the China model.

00:36:17.320 He wants an open society, hence the name of his foundation.

00:36:20.000 And the Chinese model is a pitfall he sees on the way. 1.00

00:36:22.940 So that is a gigantic rift within the World Economic Forum.

00:36:26.660 Other than Vladimir Putin, I think the next largest center that is actually resisting it is that what we call MAGA,

00:36:34.120 or ultra MAGA in the United States, kind of clustered in a small center of power in what's called the Freedom Caucus of the kind of –

00:36:42.120 whether it's the federal government or the state governments in the United States, the various states, there's not a gigantic counterweight.

00:36:50.220 OPEC could be kind of a wild card in this regard.

00:36:56.300 Currently, their objective is aligned, which is break the West. 0.55

00:37:01.480 And so they have no particular reason to disrupt a system that is designed to break the West.

00:37:07.000 And so they are not exactly a counterweight to it.

00:37:10.100 I don't think that they are likely to go too far along, but it's difficult to say.

00:37:14.080 The Saudis are building Neom, which is that gigantic line, 70-kilometer line-based city, one giant building, skyscraper, 70 kilometers long.

00:37:23.620 It's supposed to be where everybody in the desert lives, and it's a super smart city, and eat the bugs, and live in your little pod, and all of this nonsense.

00:37:31.420 The city of the future, the highly connected internet city that looks like something out of the Fifth Element movie, some dystopia.

00:37:38.760 So it's difficult to make a guess about them.

00:37:40.800 The only true power centers that seem to be disrupting them are, again, Putin, who is not West-friendly, though.

00:37:48.800 And increasingly, the so-called Make America Great Again conservative populist contingent in the United States.

00:37:58.180 Though I just saw some things this morning that I haven't fully digested and don't fully comprehend that the French have moved on into the kind of conservative populist French have moved into quite an aggressive stance on many of these issues.

00:38:10.940 So what you're seeing is more of a revolt against the people, or by the people, against the elites.

00:38:17.420 And that's what Davos warned about last year going into the meeting.

00:38:20.560 They were on video saying, you know, the elites trust each other more and more.

00:38:24.860 And the problem is the people trust the elites less and less.

00:38:28.240 And I think that that has not recovered, but has, in fact, accelerated in the months since they said that last year.

00:38:34.260 Yeah. Well, that's their focus on misinformation and online harms.

00:38:41.640 And in Canada, there are no less than four pieces of legislation either in the parliament or on their way to parliament to censor the internet.

00:38:49.700 Because those little people, they just keep thinking the wrong things and saying the wrong things.

00:38:56.000 Well, James, it's great.

00:38:56.680 I'll confess to you, Ezra, real quickly.

00:38:58.080 I keep getting invited or asked if I will come to Canada and speak.

00:39:01.300 And I will confess that I am genuinely afraid to commit to coming to Canada now.

00:39:06.680 This is something that would have been unthinkable, you know, 40 plus years of life.

00:39:10.140 That I've been to Canada many times.

00:39:12.760 And now people say, would you come to Canada?

00:39:15.060 And my answer is the same level of hesitation on, I don't know, as if I were asked to come, will you come to China?

00:39:21.820 So I don't know if I will come to Canada.

00:39:23.940 And that's kind of how dire the situation is becoming.

00:39:27.580 So just to put that out there.

00:39:29.420 Well, I think you should come to Canada because it wouldn't likely be the police who would arrest you in an imminent way.

00:39:36.920 It would be more sort of like what they're doing to Jordan Peterson, like a slow administrative thing that you would easily escape by going back down to the First Amendment jurisdiction.

00:39:46.020 I think you should come to Canada.

00:39:47.600 I remember when I was a young man when Ann Coulter went on a three-city Canadian speaking tour.

00:39:53.640 And imagine that.

00:39:55.980 Now, this was before wokeness really dug in.

00:39:59.060 We took Ann Coulter to one conservative-oriented university, the University of Calgary.

00:40:05.700 And then I think the others were Queens or Western.

00:40:07.820 And then one in the heart of Ottawa.

00:40:10.420 And the police that came out and they shut it down.

00:40:14.480 It was so illustrative.

00:40:16.640 And they actually canceled that one out of the three.

00:40:21.040 But the national discussion Ann Coulter sparked about cancel culture and deplatforming and free speech was such a welcome change for the country.

00:40:31.060 I don't know if you would provoke the same outrage that Ann Coulter did because she generates a certain kind of hate that I don't quite think you achieved yet.

00:40:39.900 But if my opinion means anything, I think you should come to Canada and test the system and see what you can do and document it.

00:40:49.780 And I don't think that you would be jailed.

00:40:52.240 I think that you might be ticketed or they might send you some whiny complaint later.

00:40:57.160 But I think you would easily elude them.

00:40:59.860 That's just my own two bits.

00:41:02.760 Well, it's worth hearing and I'll consider it.

00:41:05.140 Well, listen, James, it's great to catch up with you.

00:41:07.300 Thanks. You've really given me some good ideas for the car.

00:41:11.060 I'm going to be out there for a week.

00:41:13.160 Our friend Avi Amini from Australia, he really did a great job last year.

00:41:16.600 We've got a couple of Brits coming, too.

00:41:19.040 It's going to be tough because last time we were there was May and it was easier for people to mill around outside.

00:41:24.420 Now it's January. It's about minus five, minus 10 Celsius.

00:41:27.260 So it'll be tougher to buttonhole people outside.

00:41:29.900 It'll be tougher to identify them if they're wearing big coats or whatever.

00:41:33.040 But we will do our best.

00:41:34.160 And I'm sure even with those problems and restrictions, we will do more journalism than anyone else because no one else there is going to do journalism.

00:41:44.020 They're all going to be on the inside.

00:41:45.960 Dr. James Lindsay, pleasure to see you.

00:41:48.200 Give us a quick update just before we go of what you're up to and the best place to watch you.

00:41:53.740 You're at NewDiscourses.com, right?

00:41:56.300 That's right. Yeah.

00:41:57.020 And my podcast can be found there.

00:41:58.440 It's called The New Discourses Podcast.

00:41:59.900 I'll just hold this up quickly.

00:42:00.940 I just recently published a new book called The Marxification of Education that explains how they've stolen education from our children and our societies.

00:42:10.640 You can get that at Marxification.com or on the thing that Jeff Bezos owns if you want.

00:42:17.880 And so you can find me there.

00:42:19.720 You can find me on social media at Conceptual James.

00:42:21.800 And it was great to catch up again.

00:42:23.140 Have a safe trip and ask hard questions.

00:42:27.500 Thanks very much.

00:42:28.160 We sure will.

00:42:28.920 And folks, if you want to see all our coverage from Davos, you can find it at WEFReports.com.

00:42:35.300 All right.

00:42:35.600 Good night, everybody.

00:42:36.400 Thanks again.

00:42:36.940 Have a great weekend.

00:42:38.200 Next week, I will be doing my daily show from Davos.

00:42:42.080 So I'll be recording the show in Switzerland.

00:42:44.520 And we'll be sending it here.

00:42:45.560 So I will be on TV every day.

00:42:47.720 And hopefully I'll get over this sore throat.

00:42:49.800 Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:42:54.740 And keep fighting for freedom.

00:42:55.820 Thank you.

Rebel News Podcast - January 14, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Prepping for the WEF summit in Davos with Dr. James Lindsay

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