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00:00:56.680 Tonight, the battle between freedom and tyranny in London, England. It's February 19th and

00:01:11.840 this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:16.240 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:26.680 Hi, everybody. It's Ezra LeVant. I'm in London, England. I'll be back in Canada tonight. I'm here

00:01:35.200 for a number of reasons. My first reason was I was supposed to visit Tommy Robinson in prison,

00:01:41.380 but that was banned. His rights are being removed, including his rights to see visitors.

00:01:47.340 My second reason was to go to the ARC Conference. That's Jordan Peterson's amazing conference of freedom-minded

00:01:54.680 people from the UK, America, Europe, and Canada, too. And the third reason is to live tweet Tommy

00:02:02.200 Robinson's hearing under the bogus charges under the Terrorism Act. That's where I'm standing now.

00:02:07.760 I'm going to go into the court in a moment. But let me show you some of what we've done over the last

00:02:12.240 few days, including with our new British reporter, Sammy Woodhouse. I mean, it's one thing to interview

00:02:18.200 newsmakers. But I think we should also occasionally talk to people who have certain philosophy or a

00:02:25.880 worldview of freedom. And here's one, Sammy talking to Catherine Burble-Singh. Who's she?

00:02:33.640 She's actually called Britain's strictest headmistress. She runs a school that would be called 0.55

00:02:42.760 challenging demographically. But through a combination of discipline and pro-Britain ideology,

00:02:50.200 she's managed to unify the kids and make them into academic successes and patriots, too. Take a look

00:02:57.400 at Sammy Woodhouse talking with Catherine Burble-Singh. You and your school are known to be quite

00:03:02.600 controversial. Why is that? Well, we're super strict, so people don't necessarily like that. But I always say

00:03:09.480 that strict means that you love them enough to keep your standards high for them. I always say

00:03:15.160 we teach the children small-c conservative values, things like personal responsibility, having a duty

00:03:20.440 towards other people. You might sacrifice something that you want for yourself in order for the whole

00:03:26.200 to benefit. We also believe in our children being British. We have a British flag outside and we sing

00:03:31.240 God Save the King. That is quite controversial because, you know, we're in the inner city, so it seems

00:03:37.080 odd that we would sing God Save the King. But I think that our children are British just as much as

00:03:41.240 any other white kid would be British, you know, and we should all be British together. But those things

00:03:46.760 are quite controversial in 2025. It should be, but I know it is. Now, I've worked in schools. I'm also an

00:03:54.440 activist and I go into schools and I try and educate them on criminal and sexual exploitation. I'm sure you've

00:04:00.360 heard, especially over the last few months, how children have been getting gang raped throughout, you know,

00:04:04.920 the country, but they're also exploited into committing crimes. Is this something that's

00:04:09.560 ever been an issue at your school? No, I mean, it wouldn't be. I mean, as I say, we're very strict.

00:04:16.440 And so we're constantly warning the kids on not putting themselves in the wrong place at the wrong

00:04:23.800 time. So when they, at the end of the day, we get the kids on buses immediately so they can go

00:04:29.960 immediately straight home. We strongly encourage the families not to give their children smartphones

00:04:35.320 so that they're not accessing the web. In a more lax environment, that's when kids end up pursuing

00:04:44.840 routes out there that are really quite horrifying. And then parents don't know what's happening to their

00:04:50.360 child. And it's just awful. And it's the kind of thing that I'm warning parents about all the time.

00:04:55.000 So, no, we haven't found that. The UK is an interesting place now politically. Nigel Farage's

00:05:01.800 reform party only has five or six seats in parliament, but it's leading the polls. Trouble is,

00:05:08.120 the official opposition, the Conservative Party, they don't want to go away. Their leader is Kemi

00:05:14.040 Badenoch. Can these two parties hash it out? Well, when we landed here in the UK, one of the astonishing

00:05:20.520 things we saw was Keir Starmer, the extremely unpopular prime minister. By the way, his government

00:05:27.160 approval according to a new YouGov poll is just 16%. He was only elected last July. I mean, that is

00:05:35.960 Trudeau level low numbers. But instead of 10 years, it's just not even, I mean, just six months,

00:05:42.760 for at least seven months. Keir Starmer made an announcement. It felt like he blurted it out.

00:05:47.960 In fact, he sort of said it, reading off notes and rustling papers. He's talking about sending

00:05:54.120 British troops to Ukraine. Here, take a look at the announcement, which was very weird. He's talking

00:06:00.280 about sending British boys off to war, standing around, flipping through papers. Take a look.

00:06:06.200 Good evening. I want to thank President Macron for convening us this evening. At stake is not just

00:06:13.560 the future of Ukraine. It is an existential question for Europe as a whole, and therefore vital for

00:06:23.000 Britain's national interest. This is a once-in-a-generation moment for the collective security

00:06:30.360 of our continent. Only a lasting peace in Ukraine that safeguards its sovereignty will deter Putin

00:06:38.520 from further aggression in the future. Now, recent statements by the US administration

00:06:45.480 should not come as a surprise. President Trump has long expressed the wish for Europe to step up

00:06:54.920 and meet the demands of its own security. That he wants to get a lasting peace agreement

00:07:01.800 to end the war in Ukraine. So today's informal meeting of European leaders was a vital first step

00:07:10.120 in responding to that challenge. On defence, it's clear the US is not going to leave NATO. But we Europeans

00:07:23.080 will have to do more. The issue of burden sharing is not new, but it is now pressing. And Europeans will have 0.71

00:07:33.160 to step up both in terms of spending and the capabilities that we provide. On Ukraine, we're at the very early

00:07:43.400 stage of the process. Europe must play its role. And I'm prepared to consider committing British forces

00:07:51.960 on the ground, alongside others, if there is a lasting peace agreement.

00:07:58.120 I thought that was sort of astonishing. To be candid, I didn't quite understand what the proposal was.

00:08:03.480 But I had about a half an hour to kill in central London. So I asked people what they thought

00:08:09.160 about that plan. Here's what some of them told me. What do you think of sending troops to Ukraine?

00:08:15.800 George Starmer suggested it. I'm from the US. Oh yeah? Well, the British prime minister suggested

00:08:20.920 sending soldiers to Ukraine. Did you hear that? Yes. What do you think of that?

00:08:24.440 I mean, I don't like sending troops anywhere. But I think that Trump's policies are terrible.

00:08:33.560 And the EU needs to come together. And I'd like to see the whole world come together for Ukraine.

00:08:40.760 Brilliant. Oh, why do you say that? What do you think the troops should do over there?

00:08:44.360 Because you've got to get Russia out of Ukraine. Simple as that. No, I mean, it's fine. No more 0.97

00:08:49.400 next to his head. Brilliant. No. Can you expand on that? Why is it a bad idea?

00:08:57.720 I don't think they should get involved. They're not part of. I think because of the fuel crisis,

00:09:03.640 yes. But where Trump's going, no. I'll be honest with you. I think it's actually rubbish the fact

00:09:09.640 they've left the Ukrainians out of the negotiations. It just seems to be America and Russia again.

00:09:15.560 And we'll end up with another divided Europe and it'll all go up in the air. Well, peace is a good 0.97

00:09:20.200 idea because obviously people are not getting hurt then, aren't they? But war makes money, doesn't it?

00:09:24.440 That's the problem. That's a good one. I think Ukraine should be supported.

00:09:30.360 Sending troops in combat zones is politically difficult. But there's a point where you have to

00:09:38.120 ask yourself, you know, where do we draw the line, really? Because if we let Ukraine fall down,

00:09:44.040 who's next? What do you think of sending troops to Ukraine like Keir Starmer's proposed to do?

00:09:49.480 Um, mixed feelings. If it ends the war, then fair enough, I think. But it's got to be done in a 1.00

00:09:55.400 sensible way. You've got to do it so it's safe for people, really. So it seems sort of like he blurted

00:10:00.200 it out. I'm sort of surprised by it. How do you feel Keir Starmer's doing? I mean, the polls show

00:10:07.160 he's, do you think this was an attempt to switch the topic of conversation? I'm just trying to

00:10:12.520 understand it. Yeah, obviously the Labour Party and Keir are not the most popular people

00:10:17.160 in the country at the moment. And so whilst we're worrying about what one hand's doing,

00:10:21.080 the other hand's not being ignored. So, yeah, it could be an attempt to shift interest in what's

00:10:25.880 going on. Yeah. It's been three years, though. If it hasn't happened yet, is it going to happen now?

00:10:34.440 Yeah, if it's a cop, boy, I have a lot to say about this. You caught me off guard.

00:10:39.160 I don't, I didn't mean to. I appreciate this. No, I'd love this.

00:10:41.720 I mean, it's just a new thing. I mean, I think he caught a lot of Brits off guard.

00:10:44.920 Yeah. Well, we should have known better in America. I feel terrible that he's representing us.

00:10:52.200 Do you think British troops would help or are they just, would they be at risk?

00:10:55.640 I think it would at the moment. It'd inflame the situation. But then if you go in,

00:10:58.840 there's a peacekeeping corps. Yeah.

00:11:00.680 Then it would just be an amalgamation of all different armed forces.

00:11:03.560 So it won't pinpoint us, will it?

00:11:05.720 You need peace before you send in the peacekeepers. So you would never send them.

00:11:08.920 He's got to talk. That's the problem. And no one's talked for three years.

00:11:11.960 It looks like the Americans are shifting from supporting the war to trying to force a peace.

00:11:16.920 But Keir Starmer said, well, we're going to send some boots on the ground.

00:11:20.840 Is that realistic if the Americans aren't participating in the same way?

00:11:26.040 Well, if the UK is not alone and other countries like France and Germany join, it might be.

00:11:34.040 But I think overall it means that Europe, and I include the UK, need to think hard about,

00:11:41.960 you know, how to defend itself. Are you worried that that could escalate things?

00:11:46.200 Like imagine if a British soldier shot a Russian soldier or vice versa.

00:11:50.760 That feels like it would take us closer to a larger war.

00:11:53.400 Um, if you play poker, you know what bluff is. Is Putin bluffing?

00:11:59.160 Well, is Keir Starmer bluffing? I find the whole thing terrifying.

00:12:02.520 Uh, it is. But, uh, we know from history that peace at all costs is way too high a cost.

00:12:10.280 Do you think they should be sent in to end the war or after the war's over?

00:12:14.040 Um, I think after the war's over, I think there has to be a decent settlement first and then after that.

00:12:19.400 Do you think other countries would join if the UK really did send troops?

00:12:25.000 Do you think France or Germany would join too? It just seems like a radical idea.

00:12:29.640 Yeah, I agree with you. It's pretty radical. Who knows? Really don't know.

00:12:33.240 Well, that's our show from London, England. I'll be back in Toronto tonight.

00:12:36.760 On behalf of all of us at Rebel News in London or around the world, to you at home,

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00:13:46.200 Ezra Levant here for Rebel News. It's a blustery winter's day. I'm in London, England, standing outside

00:13:52.440 the Westminster Magistrates Court. What am I doing here? Well, Tommy Robinson has yet another court hearing

00:14:00.360 in the continuing war of lawfare against him. Right now, as I speak, Tommy Robinson is rotting

00:14:08.440 in prison at His Majesty's Prison, Woodhill, a couple hours north of London. I was actually scheduled

00:14:16.680 to go visit Tommy on Sunday. I have visited him before, as you know, but then I got a letter from

00:14:23.400 the prison governor saying I was banned from visiting Tommy because they thought I might put something on

00:14:30.120 my social media about it. Well, and in truth, I probably would have, and that's my right to do so.

00:14:37.000 I would just simply report to people what I had seen in my visit with Tommy. That's in the public

00:14:42.200 interest because they're aggressing against Tommy in a number of ways that I'll describe in a moment.

00:14:49.880 But I wrote back to the prison governor and said, look, actually, I'm coming in my capacity as an old

00:14:55.320 friend, as his former employer, and as someone who is trying to help with his legal matters

00:15:01.960 and actually crowdfunding for his children. As you may know, there's a trust fund for his children that

00:15:07.480 we have crowdfunded for. I also said to the prison governor that I would actually sign an NDA, a

00:15:14.120 non-disclosure agreement, and I would give my personal undertaking not to talk about things. I just

00:15:20.520 really want to see him, see how he's doing. And I'm worried about him because he's been

00:15:26.120 more than a hundred days in solitary confinement and no man is meant to be. I got no answer from

00:15:33.320 the governor. I remain banned from prison, not for anything that I've done, but, and frankly,

00:15:40.120 not even for anything that I would do because I agreed that I would have a quiet visit with Tommy,

00:15:46.360 even though it's Tommy's right to speak and my right to hear. But what am I doing here today

00:15:52.840 while Tommy is in prison? He's in prison, as you know, for publishing a video in the public interest

00:15:59.320 on Twitter, a video that has been seen more than 150 million times. I don't know if you remember,

00:16:06.760 but last week the U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance criticized Europe, especially the United Kingdom,

00:16:14.200 for violating freedom of speech. Here's a clip of that.

00:16:17.720 And perhaps most concerningly, I look to our very dear friends, the United Kingdom,

00:16:22.760 where the backslide away from conscience rights has placed the basic liberties of religious Britons,

00:16:27.480 in particular, in the crosshairs. A little over two years ago, the British government charged Adam

00:16:33.560 Smith Connor, a 51-year-old physiotherapist and an army veteran, with the heinous crime of standing

00:16:42.040 50 meters from an abortion clinic and silently praying for three minutes. Not obstructing anyone,

00:16:49.800 not interacting with anyone, just silently praying on his own. After British law enforcement spotted him

00:16:56.600 and demanded to know what he was praying for, Adam replied simply, it was on behalf of the unborn son

00:17:03.000 he and his former girlfriend had aborted years before. Now the officers were not moved. Adam was found guilty

00:17:11.560 of breaking the government's new buffer zones law, which criminalizes silent prayer and other actions that could

00:17:17.720 influence a person's decision within 200 meters of an abortion facility. He was sentenced to pay

00:17:23.880 thousands of pounds in legal costs to the prosecution. Now I wish I could say that this was a fluke,

00:17:29.880 a one-off crazy example of a badly written law being enacted against a single person. But no,

00:17:37.160 this last October, just a few months ago, the Scottish government began distributing letters to

00:17:41.480 citizens whose houses lay within so-called safe access zones, warning them that even private prayer

00:17:48.920 within their own homes may amount to breaking the law. Naturally, the government urged readers to report

00:17:56.280 any fellow citizens suspected guilty of thought crime. Now, J.D. Vance didn't mention Tommy Robinson by name.

00:18:03.560 He mentioned other cases. But it's clear if you're talking about bullying people in the UK for free speech,

00:18:10.920 Tommy Robinson is the most bullied, most arrested, most prosecuted man. So while he languishes in solitary

00:18:19.000 confinement, in prison, with very few visitors allowed, there's actually another hearing going on

00:18:26.120 here, which is why we're here at the court today. There is a draconian law in the United Kingdom

00:18:32.440 called the Terrorism Act. I would say the closest analogy to it is the U.S. Patriot Act. And one of the

00:18:39.880 provisions in the Terrorism Act is that police can arrest anyone, a British national or a foreigner,

00:18:46.760 any time you're going in or coming out of the UK. So at any airport, any port, any international

00:18:52.920 railway station, you can be arrested without any suspicion, without any search warrant. They can just

00:19:02.120 nab you and detain you for six hours. Again, you don't have to be even under suspicion. There doesn't

00:19:10.280 have to be any probable cause. There doesn't have to be a search warrant. You can be held for six

00:19:16.600 hours. And much more than that, you're compelled to answer any question. You do not have the right to

00:19:23.640 remain silent. You have the right to bring in a lawyer. But all the lawyer will do is tell you that

00:19:29.960 you do not have the right to remain silent. And they ask you anything and you must answer. They'll ask you

00:19:36.840 about your politics. They'll ask you about your religion. They'll ask you about your political activism. Or at least

00:19:42.520 that's what they did to Tommy when they arrested him under this law a few months ago. This law was

00:19:49.240 designed not to grill people about their private lives or their personal matters. It was designed,

00:19:55.080 for example, if you caught a terrorist on the eve of some attack to compel that terrorist to answer

00:20:01.880 questions about where the ticking time bomb was, something like that. But it is being used and abused

00:20:08.760 just to haul ordinary people off the streets and compel them to answer whatever questions

00:20:13.960 these cops come up with. But it's worse than that. I mean, they can ask you anything and you have to

00:20:20.920 answer. But they can also say, give us the passcode to your cell phone and other electronics. And they have

00:20:29.480 the right to rifle through every personal detail you have. I mean, just think about what you have on your

00:20:36.040 smartphone. If you're like me, you have your email, you have your photos and videos, you have voice

00:20:41.320 memos, you have email. Of course, you have all your, you know, browser history of your phone call

00:20:48.840 history, who you phoned, who you took a phone from, your texts. It's all in your phone. That's your entire

00:20:54.520 life. And, you know, we have some confidence if we lose our phone, well, no one can get in it because of

00:21:00.520 the password. But under the terrorism act, you are compelled to give the government your password,

00:21:07.320 no matter how sensitive things are on your phone. And Tommy declined. He said he answered questions

00:21:14.280 for hours, but he said on his phone were confidential matters regarding rape victims who were afraid

00:21:23.080 that if their information came to the knowledge of the police, they would be in trouble a number of

00:21:27.560 ways. I won't get into that now. But Tommy had real reasons. He also, of course, has a lot of legal

00:21:32.680 matters on his phone. So he declined. Well, here's the trick. You can be scooped off the street for any

00:21:40.120 reason or no reason. You can be grilled for six hours with no right to remain silent. And then you let go.

00:21:47.400 But if you don't answer a question, if you don't give them your phone password, then you're charged under

00:21:54.520 the terrorism act. Not for committing a terrorist act, but for not giving them the password. Imagine

00:22:01.080 that. It's like a Catch-22. It's a very Kafka-esque situation. You didn't do anything wrong. They

00:22:07.240 arrested you without a warrant. But because you wouldn't give them your secrets, now you're charged

00:22:13.560 with terrorism. And what could sound worse than being charged with an offense under the terrorism act?

00:22:19.400 It's truly astonishing. So we're here today at the Westminster Magistrates Court

00:22:25.240 because Tommy Robinson's lawyers are seeking more disclosure from the Crown. So to fight the charge,

00:22:33.400 Tommy has lawyers and they need what's called disclosure. That's when the Crown prosecution

00:22:39.160 gives Tommy whatever records they have. Not just the ones that make him look bad, so to speak,

00:22:46.120 but the ones that are exculpatory. The ones about their internal conversations, about their notes,

00:22:52.680 about their instructions. The Crown prosecutor has to give to Tommy any information that could be

00:22:59.720 exculpatory. Anyways, so I'm going to be in here today. Tommy Robinson himself will not be present

00:23:06.120 in court, but his lawyers will be. And they're going to try and convince a judge to give Tommy more

00:23:11.880 disclosure in the terrorism act offense. I don't know if they'll be successful.

00:23:18.520 But what do these things have in common? Tommy being jailed and put in solitary confinement for

00:23:25.400 publishing a Twitter video. Tommy being prosecuted under a BS bogus charge under the terrorism act.

00:23:34.440 What's the common thread? It's called lawfare. The United Kingdom will do anything to silence Tommy,

00:23:41.640 to shut him up, to hassle him, to stress him out. And even worse, and here's what I mean.

00:23:47.320 I know that Tommy has been in prison several times before. And if you know anything about prisons,

00:23:52.200 and I know a tiny bit, many prisons are dangerous places because they're full of criminals. And to

00:23:59.000 be protected within prison, you have to join a kind of prison gang. Now in the United States,

00:24:04.920 those gangs are often broken down by race. There's a Latino gang. There's a black gang. Sometimes

00:24:10.760 there's even a white supremacist gang. And you join a gang for protection. In the United Kingdom,

00:24:17.640 by far the dominant gangs are the Muslim gangs. In fact, many prisons, 30, 40, even 50% of prisoners

00:24:25.400 are Muslim. And many of them become Muslim in prison, converting to Islam to be protected by the gang. 1.00

00:24:33.400 Well, Tommy Robinson is a critic of Islam. And anyone who could hurt Tommy, stab him, 0.98

00:24:40.440 God forbid, even kill him, would immediately be considered a hero amongst the prison gangs.

00:24:47.400 So that's why the prison has put Tommy in solitary confinement, they say. For his own good, they say.

00:24:56.120 But of course, no man is meant to be in solitary confinement for more than a hundred days, which

00:25:01.960 is where Tommy is now. But that's not all. They've removed Tommy's telephone privileges. The other day,

00:25:09.720 the prison said he wasn't allowed to talk to his own son. How bizarre is that? They prepared Tommy's

00:25:16.040 meals in a kitchen. But who are the cooks in the kitchen? Other inmates. So the meal marked for

00:25:21.880 Tommy Robinson is made by these Islamic prison gangs. He can't eat them. So he needs to buy his food from 1.00

00:25:28.360 the prison canteen. But he's being punished and isn't allowed to do that either. I already mentioned how

00:25:34.840 prison visits are being canceled. When you're in solitary confinement, a prison visit is not just a

00:25:40.840 social occasion. It's a necessity for your mental health. And they're canceling visit after visit

00:25:47.160 after visit, usually after taunting Tommy by telling him that the visit is granted. In my case, my visit

00:25:54.600 was granted. Then it was taken away. Then I wrote my letter to the governor and they told Tommy, oh,

00:26:00.040 they're reconsidering it. And then they yanked that away from him. They're playing mind games with him.

00:26:04.680 And he's only a third of the way through his sentence. The British government is trying to kill 0.96

00:26:13.640 Tommy Robinson. The irony is that would make him a bigger martyr than ever. But we're not interested

00:26:20.200 in irony. We're interested in saving his life. And that's why Tommy has a group of lawyers that are

00:26:26.360 trying to work this through. It's not fast enough for my taste. It's been over 100 days. It's an outrage.

00:26:32.040 Frankly, if help is to come, I think it's really going to come in two ways. One is street protests.

00:26:40.200 Tommy Robinson can muster thousands of protesters in the streets of London, even when he's in jail,

00:26:46.920 to have a rally like one that was just a few weeks ago. Maybe there needs to be a mass rally

00:26:53.240 outside the prison to let the prison governor know that her torturing Tommy by denying him visits,

00:26:59.720 by putting him in solitary confinement, by denying him food, by denying him phone call,

00:27:04.680 and his other rights are unacceptable. But if I had to bet how this will really end,

00:27:10.280 if it's to end positively, I would guess that it would be through an intervention

00:27:16.760 from the United States. Here's a clip again of J.D. Vance telling Europe how disappointed he is

00:27:23.400 with them moving away from values like freedom of speech.

00:27:27.080 In Britain and across Europe, free speech, I fear, is in retreat. So I come here today not just with

00:27:34.680 an observation, but with an offer. And just as the Biden administration seemed desperate to silence

00:27:40.680 people for speaking their minds, so the Trump administration will do precisely the opposite.

00:27:47.080 And I hope that we can work together on that. The British government's dirty little secret is how

00:27:52.200 it's treating Tommy Robinson. But enough people in Donald Trump's circle know about that now,

00:27:58.600 in part from the coverage on Rebel News. I hope that one day, if not Donald Trump himself,

00:28:06.680 perhaps J.D. Vance or Secretary of State Marco Rubio, will mention the case of Tommy Robinson.

00:28:12.760 Certainly, Elon Musk has many times. And then the dirty secret of how the British government is

00:28:18.920 punishing Tommy, torturing him, and committing lawfare against him, will become an international

00:28:24.600 incident, an international diplomatic incident. Maybe that will get the lad out of solitary. We'll keep

00:28:32.440 trying. Anyways, I'm going to go into the court now. I'm going to live tweet it. You can follow that

00:28:38.680 on my Twitter feed. I know you'll be seeing this video after the tweeting is done. But we're going

00:28:43.880 to continue to follow this case because as the United Kingdom goes today, Canada might go tomorrow.

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Rebel News Podcast - February 20, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Rebel News covers the U.K.'s fight for free speech

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