Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Reuters just admitted something about Rebel News they REALLY didn’t want to

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I'm back in Toronto after visiting the ostrich farm. I'll

00:00:03.540 give you an update from there. But first, I want to tell you about an interesting story from

00:00:07.960 Reuters. The Reuters Institute did a study about the biggest journalistic brands in Canada,

00:00:15.460 and they said Rebel News was in the top five ahead of Global News. I'll take you through

00:00:21.340 their study. I don't like Reuters much, but boy, they must have hated saying this about us. I'll

00:00:25.660 take you through it. But first, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News Plus.

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00:00:59.520 Tonight, Reuters and Oxford University say Rebel News is the number five news company in Canada,

00:01:11.700 ahead of Global News. What do you think about that? It's November 10th, and this is the Ezra

00:01:16.540 LeVant Show. You've heard of Reuters, right? It's one of the world's largest news agencies

00:01:37.720 started more than 150 years ago. They have about 2,500 reporters all around the world,

00:01:43.400 and newspapers everywhere pay for the right to republish Reuters stories. It's a great idea.

00:01:50.620 It allows small newspapers around the world to publish news stories from anywhere in the world

00:01:55.160 without having to deploy their own journalists there. You can imagine some of the problems,

00:01:59.760 though, too. Thousands of different newspapers and radio stations and TV stations all regurgitating

00:02:05.560 literally the same words written by someone that none of us know. It's a huge factor in the

00:02:11.560 ideological conformity of the news media. It was particularly apparent during the COVID lockdowns

00:02:18.080 when Reuters took an extremist line supporting forced vaccinations, lockdowns, vaccine passports,

00:02:25.260 no-fly lists, the whole thing. Not only did Reuters spread that government propaganda

00:02:30.120 across the world, but they set themselves up as fact-checkers trying to destroy any non-Reuters 1.00

00:02:37.460 journalists who disagreed with them. I don't know if you remember this. We showed it at the time.

00:02:42.880 A Pfizer director, you know Pfizer, one of the big vaccine makers. Their director, Jim Smith,

00:02:49.240 was literally the chairman of the Thomson Reuters Foundation. Imagine having a vaccine executive

00:02:56.820 in charge of fact-checking critical stories about vaccines. Do you see my point about Reuters

00:03:02.700 actually being a global force for propaganda and censorship? Reuters has always leaned left. I don't

00:03:09.620 know if you know this, but its founder, Paul Reuter, was actually a communist. My point is you can't

00:03:16.680 trust Reuters. Today it's owned by Canada's richest man. Did you know that? David Thompson is his name.

00:03:23.200 He also owns the Globe and Mail. Now, I'm not against someone being Canada's richest man. I mean,

00:03:28.160 statistically, someone has to be the richest man, and it's not going to be me, but I find it really

00:03:34.080 gross that Thompson still rings out taxpayers for millions of dollars every year in government

00:03:40.900 subsidies for the Globe and Mail. Seriously, what a mooch. Thompson is worth an estimated $54 billion, 1.00

00:03:48.800 not quite Elon Musk level, but he's in that zone, and he still snorts up taxpayers' handouts for the

00:03:55.160 Globe and Mail. I mean, when you think about it, he really is the perfect owner of Reuters, isn't he?

00:04:00.700 Well, the Thompson family needs the money. You see, check out this amazing story. Just a crazy story.

00:04:06.960 Let me read the headline. Thompson family heiress sues ex-friend after crypto investment recommended

00:04:14.520 by a psychic loses millions. Thompson claims in her lawsuit that she lost $80 million in backing the

00:04:23.660 doomed crypto coin. What a story. I guess if you're worth $54 billion, blowing $80 million on some

00:04:34.120 crypto scheme recommended by a psychic, I don't know, it would be like a regular person losing $100

00:04:40.440 on lottery tickets. It's not something to be proud of, but not going to put you in the poorhouse.

00:04:44.980 Especially, like I say, given the taxpayer subsidies will cover the Thompson shortfall pretty quickly.

00:04:50.040 Anyways, that's Reuters. Pretty gross. Next time you read a newspaper or a news website and you see the word

00:04:57.700 Reuters at the top, just be aware that you're reading propaganda. It still might be interesting, and sometimes

00:05:03.160 it might actually be accurate, but always know who's secretly spinning the news at you. I tell you all this

00:05:08.680 because the Reuters Foundation, same one that that Pfizer guy runs, just published a study about journalism

00:05:14.860 in Canada. And of course, they are obsessed with rebel news. So this is their country study on Canada. Let me read it to you.

00:05:21.620 They say,

00:05:22.520 U.S. commentators dominate the Canadian lists alongside a small number of homegrown personalities,

00:05:30.280 such as Jordan Peterson, mostly from the political right. The top 15 list is made up exclusively of men.

00:05:36.860 So they're ranking how important different journalists are. Let me stop for a second, though.

00:05:43.420 I mean, this is completely based on who Canadians choose to watch. I don't agree with their methodology,

00:05:48.940 but this wasn't some top-down list here. No one hired this list or curated this list. It's literally

00:05:55.960 asking Canadians, who do you like? Who do you follow? Who are you interested in?

00:06:00.120 And just listening to what people say. So men and women answered.

00:06:05.400 Reuters doesn't like the fact that men and women in Canada have named

00:06:08.800 men as the people they listen to. I mean, could have been women, could have been men.

00:06:13.540 Reuters is mad about that. It's a weird comment, especially since Reuters is owned

00:06:16.940 by a man. Reuters was founded by a man.

00:06:21.700 I mean, if you're into politics, the liberal and NDP leaders in Canada are men also.

00:06:25.520 It's just a weird, passive-aggressive gripe, but it shows you how they put DEI diversity

00:06:31.500 into everything, don't they? All right, back to their story. They say, quote,

00:06:36.040 the main networks used for accessing creators are similar to the United States, namely YouTube

00:06:41.160 and X. Facebook and Instagram, owned by Meta, have restricted access to news content on their

00:06:47.120 platforms in response to the Online News Act, and this is likely to have affected the popularity

00:06:52.020 of some creator content on these networks in addition to news brands. That's true, isn't it?

00:06:57.240 Trudeau and Al Carney effectively ban Canadians from reading about our own country's news

00:07:03.080 on Facebook and Instagram, which are huge. And we've just all accepted this as normal. I mean,

00:07:09.180 who does that other than China and North Korea and Iran? I'll read some more.

00:07:13.980 The most mentioned Canadian online personality in our data is psychologist and author Jordan

00:07:19.080 Peterson. Originally a University of Toronto professor, Peterson rose to international

00:07:23.580 prominence through viral lectures and his book, 12 Rules for Life. He is known for his critiques of

00:07:28.720 political correctness and for providing a conservative intellectual perspective on social and cultural

00:07:32.920 debates. With around 9 million followers on YouTube and 6 million on X, Peterson's influence

00:07:38.660 is also felt across multiple countries, with a number of mentions in Australia, the UK, South Africa,

00:07:43.600 and Norway. All right, that's fair enough to me. I mean, sort of balanced. Now, I do note that Dr.

00:07:50.200 Peterson has moved to the United States. I think he did that for freedom of speech reasons, actually,

00:07:54.920 and maybe for business reasons. I don't think this is a particularly meticulous report, as I'll show

00:08:00.740 you in a minute. I mean, sure, he's a Canadian. I think he's still a Canadian citizen, but he is an

00:08:06.200 American in terms of his residence. But let me keep reading some more. News anchors from the main

00:08:12.380 networks, CBC, CTV, Global News, and Radio Canada are widely cited in our survey, along with the branded

00:08:19.660 accounts for these networks. Rebel News, a network that has been associated with the alt-right,

00:08:26.160 says who? Says who? Also gains significant attention in social media. 1.1 million followers on YouTube,

00:08:36.860 as does one of its co-founders, Brian Lilly, who now works for the Toronto Sun. Two things there. 1.1

00:08:43.100 million subscribers on YouTube. We crossed the million subscribers line way back, I don't know, in 2017

00:08:49.800 or something. And despite being throttled by YouTube, we're now at just under 2 million.

00:08:56.660 I don't really care. And I really don't care that Reuters, the fact checkers, don't know that.

00:09:02.120 I'm not that vain about it. I'm just pointing out that the expert fact checkers haven't even bothered

00:09:08.620 to look at our YouTube page in more than half a decade when they're talking about it. And these are

00:09:13.420 the experts telling you about Canadian preferences. Never trust these so-called experts. But look at this.

00:09:19.260 This is true Reuters run by a Pfizer executive showing through. This is what they say. Ready?

00:09:25.780 Rebel News was accused of spreading misinformation around the COVID-19 pandemic, among other issues.

00:09:32.500 Yeah, accused by you. No one cares, mate. You lost that debate. Unfortunately, you've done eternal damage

00:09:39.480 to people's trust in public health and even in their own doctors. I mean, I know a lot of people,

00:09:44.380 and I'm one of them, who are much more skeptical of their own doctors because of all the lies during COVID.

00:09:49.260 And the whole lockdowns will be remembered a long time. And I don't think we'll even know the full damage

00:09:57.300 that Pfizer and the government lockdowns did, not just in terms of physical health, but mental health and suicide

00:10:03.740 and the social effects of kicking kids out of school for two years and drug use and loneliness.

00:10:09.780 But also any trust in any institution. Shame on Reuters and Pfizer and the rest of them.

00:10:16.720 But let me show you one last thing. And again, as you can see, I don't really respect Reuters and I don't

00:10:21.840 respect the methodology of this report, which doesn't even make sense and is based on factual errors,

00:10:27.340 as I've shown you. But look at this. Look at this chart. This is what Reuters says.

00:10:31.620 They say that the biggest news brands are, well, in first place, the CBC. Well, now you'd hope so,

00:10:38.180 given the $1.5 billion a year they get. But look at who's in second, CNN.

00:10:44.420 That's a huge black eye for the Globe and Mail, the Toronto Star, CTV.

00:10:48.660 Imagine being beaten by a foreign network that very rarely even mentions Canada. 1.00

00:10:54.220 Next is CTV. I'm surprised they're that high, frankly. And then another foreign brand, the BBC,

00:11:00.620 the British Broadcasting Corporation. Again, I don't actually believe that. The methodology just

00:11:06.620 really checks name recognition. Have you heard of the BBC? Well, I'm sure people have heard of the BBC,

00:11:12.500 but I don't think anyone in Canada actually watches the BBC. I'm sorry, I just don't believe it.

00:11:17.940 But I do believe that we came in next, as you can see. Because you know it pained Reuters to say we

00:11:25.900 did. And if they had any way, any excuse not to blow our horn, they would. But there you have it.

00:11:33.600 Rebel News is the fifth most watched or most known news company in Canada. I don't know,

00:11:40.220 but most watched probably are too. We're bigger than Quebec's CBC called Radio Canada. We're bigger

00:11:45.700 than Quebec's private broadcaster, TVA. And most deliciously, we are way ahead of Global News.

00:11:55.480 You know, Global News is owned by a company called Chorus. They also own some radio stations. Have

00:12:00.280 you ever heard of Chorus? I checked the stock market. They're trading at about a penny a share.

00:12:06.840 They're a penny stock. The total market capitalization of Chorus is less than $8 million.

00:12:13.380 I joked on Twitter last night, should Rebel News buy some shares? Should we try and raise some money to

00:12:20.520 buy a majority of the stock? Wouldn't that be something? I asked people, I asked Twitter,

00:12:26.880 would that be a terrible idea, given that Global News loses so much money? Or is it a great idea?

00:12:33.620 Sort of like a work of performance art. Especially if, say, my good friend David Menzies,

00:12:39.200 the Menzoid, were installed as the next CEO. I wonder what Reuters would have to say about that.

00:12:48.060 Stay with us for more.

00:12:53.280 Hey, welcome back. And I'm glad to be back in Toronto. Over the weekend, I was in British Columbia

00:13:00.680 at the Ostrich Farm, where I spent some time with the family, the remaining protesters. I saw how

00:13:09.580 aggressive the RCMP were. I got a little bit aggressive myself, I hate to say. Not physically,

00:13:15.180 but I hollered at them. What a weird and bizarre story. International story all over the world.

00:13:22.320 A real black eye for the Canadian government. But I really enjoyed my time with the family,

00:13:26.380 and I really have a tremendous sympathy for them. And I didn't realize that ostriches live so long.

00:13:32.940 An ostrich can live 30, 35 years. I mean, people truly grow to love their dogs. And dogs are not

00:13:38.900 with us for 30 years, are they? But ostriches are. And they named the ostriches, and they had

00:13:43.480 different personalities. And, you know, to kill all the ostriches, because a year ago, some of them 0.99

00:13:50.480 were sick, is so senseless. Anyways, I recorded a lot of videos out there. Here's one where I sort of 0.99

00:13:55.820 summed up the work we've done over these past months with Sidney Fazzard, who's been out there

00:14:01.240 for a few weeks, and our key reporter on this file, Drea Humphrey, who I think has done a wonderful job.

00:14:07.760 She's probably published 100 stories over the last six months about this farm. So without further ado,

00:14:14.160 the video I recorded with my colleagues in Edgewood, B.C.

00:14:17.520 Ezra Levant here in Edgewood, B.C., at the site of the ostrich farm that has gripped so much

00:14:27.980 attention, not just across Canada, but around the world. It's been an important story for a number

00:14:33.740 of reasons. And I thought I would take a huddle with Drea Humphrey, who's been leading our coverage

00:14:38.340 on this file for months. And over the course of time, we've actually had six different Rebel News

00:14:44.540 reporters rotate through here. And you might be thinking, why? Why is this an important story?

00:14:49.980 And I didn't catch on right away either until I saw some of Drea's work. Drea, 0.97

00:14:55.000 why has this turned into a massive international story?

00:14:59.380 It actually starts back to the minks. Many people don't realize that during COVID,

00:15:04.100 a mink farming industry was completely wiped out by unelected bureaucrats in the name of COVID-19.

00:15:11.420 Now, they, unlike these farmers, chose not to publicly stand up. It all happened quietly and

00:15:18.480 in the dark. These farmers were different. These farmers were special. And so were the herd that

00:15:25.360 they wanted to save. And so when I saw that there were farmers that were willing to say no to the

00:15:31.580 Canadian Food Inspection Agency and say they should live because they're healthy, I knew it was going

00:15:36.340 to be an important story. Wow. I estimate you've done maybe a hundred reports from here.

00:15:42.060 It's very close. You know, like you said, the team has started to help. So that's added to

00:15:46.320 the close to 100 reports that I would say we've done.

00:15:50.440 And you've built a level of trust with the family. I was talking to one of the neighbors who said that

00:15:57.480 her entire worldview has been changed. She doesn't believe she can trust the mainstream media anymore.

00:16:03.460 And this is a new thing for her because she just can't reconcile what is actually happening

00:16:08.820 with what CTV and CBC are happening. I thought that was an incredible thing.

00:16:12.660 You, on the other hand, have built trust.

00:16:15.120 Absolutely. They have welcomed me to be in there, sometimes behind the scenes while they're trying

00:16:20.760 to figure out their next step. And they are just the most welcoming people. They are exactly who you

00:16:25.440 would expect farmers to be. Hardworking. They were going out early mornings, doing the chores.

00:16:30.840 Now the state has robbed them of that, but then still inviting all of these people. I don't know 0.81

00:16:35.560 how they've done it for 10 months to be a part of this fight. They've been eating with them,

00:16:40.620 crying with them, rejoicing with them on the wins they had along the way. And now they're preparing

00:16:46.220 to fight back in a new way. Wow. Well, I know, I know even though the ostriches were massacred in the

00:16:52.920 last few days, the Rebel News will stay committed to this story. Now, Sid, you have an interesting

00:16:59.220 contrast because you were at the Coutts blockade. That was the main convoy for the truckers was in

00:17:06.960 Ottawa. That was the big show. But in Alberta, truckers, farmers, grassroots people said,

00:17:13.540 we've got to do something about Alberta's lockdown. You were embedded in that for two weeks almost.

00:17:20.980 Compare, if you would, the people's sort of peaceful revolution you've seen here with what you saw in

00:17:28.720 Coutts. It is actually, there are many similarities. I guess the one difference would be I was inside

00:17:33.460 the security zone in Coutts and a lot of the supporters were stuck outside, like these people

00:17:38.240 are stuck outside from coming to these animals. But there is actually quite a bit of overlay. And

00:17:43.380 these people, obviously, they strongly care about this story. And so much so, they've been staying here for weeks.

00:17:48.920 If you're trying to kill the ostrich with a shot, is it a shot to the head? 0.95

00:17:57.460 Yeah, it is. 0.69

00:17:58.400 So were they shooting the heads?

00:18:00.360 Yeah.

00:18:00.660 We had asked for a plan. And the way they did it, every one of those animals would have suffered.

00:18:08.340 And they would have known. They would have seen it. They would have been so agonizing. They would have been trying to get out.

00:18:14.380 They had just suffered. That was just so wrong at every level.

00:18:18.920 That's what you would have said. You thought it was a question period.

00:18:24.400 You know, and it was a really kind of softball question. Like, wasn't it?

00:18:28.360 Yeah.

00:18:28.960 No.

00:18:29.900 No.

00:18:30.140 I don't know. And very frustrating.

00:18:34.240 And the smirks you got out of them.

00:18:35.720 Oh, yeah. 0.99

00:18:37.100 The smiles and, oh, we don't give a shit. 0.99

00:18:39.100 Like, I thought to myself, what's such a soft way of doing this that maybe she'll give some thing? 0.99

00:18:46.680 But she was obviously instructed, do not answer.

00:18:50.100 Yeah.

00:18:50.740 No, and you asked it that way, too. It was nicely said.

00:18:55.760 Yeah.

00:18:56.740 Very nice. It was like Mr. Rogers asking.

00:19:00.240 I've never been that nice in my life.

00:19:02.240 Yeah, that was the nicest I've ever seen you.

00:19:04.560 Thank you.

00:19:04.900 And she still didn't respond.

00:19:06.360 Oh, man.

00:19:07.860 You know what, Cody? Is the RCMP supposed to be here today?

00:19:11.260 Because I've got some questions for him.

00:19:13.760 They'll arrest you. They need their quota today.

00:19:15.680 Well, it seems like they're trying to make fights.

00:19:17.800 Is that what you're feeling?

00:19:18.920 No, they need an arrest to make us look back.

00:19:21.340 That's the thing. They're trying to flip.

00:19:23.560 They need four or five.

00:19:24.520 You know, I was saying to Chris outside, there's a phrase in psychological, typically sexual abuse cases called DARVO.

00:19:36.200 Have you ever heard that word, DARVO?

00:19:37.800 Yep.

00:19:38.140 Deny, accuse, reverse victim and offender.

00:19:41.520 Oh, yeah.

00:19:41.860 So it's when someone who's done something awful, like a sexual abuse case, it's a psychological gaslighting move.

00:19:49.160 So they say, I didn't do anything wrong.

00:19:51.580 You did something wrong.

00:19:52.920 I mean, in reverse who the victim and offender are here.

00:19:55.840 DARVO.

00:19:56.460 I think they're trying to do that.

00:19:58.040 Oh, yeah.

00:19:58.740 I think they're trying to DARVO this thing.

00:20:00.600 I think they're trying to find an excuse to arrest someone so they can say, oh, violent or something.

00:20:07.500 They have such a black eye, they need to flip the script.

00:20:10.980 It feels like the trucker convoy that way.

00:20:12.720 And they even had their one dude every time there was yelling at the front line with his GoPro right in the corner.

00:20:20.100 I saw that guy.

00:20:21.420 I saw that guy.

00:20:22.920 They need to show that we're terrible.

00:20:25.260 One of my questions that I'm going to put to the cops is, are you building a database with that facial recognition?

00:20:31.940 And did you database all the license plates of the cars here?

00:20:35.960 I know the answer before I ask it, but I want to have them give them a chance to answer.

00:20:40.880 Oh, yeah.

00:20:41.380 We're all.

00:20:42.320 Thank you, Dan.

00:20:42.940 I got another question.

00:20:44.740 Did the military participate?

00:20:46.520 No.

00:20:47.240 We know that during the trucker convoy, the military deployed some of those drones, even though they denied it at the time.

00:20:53.000 I want to know.

00:20:54.340 And I got a lot of questions about the police.

00:20:57.000 There is one drone that we haven't been able to see because it is so big and so high up.

00:21:04.140 I don't believe the police have it.

00:21:05.060 Some people keep mistaking it as a plane, but it's not a plane.

00:21:08.740 That sounds military to me.

00:21:10.240 Yeah.

00:21:11.020 There's only one of them.

00:21:12.340 Yeah.

00:21:12.860 That's not going to be something that a regular police for you and the RCMP has.

00:21:16.540 Yeah.

00:21:16.760 And they're not about that, Ezra.

00:21:18.520 I mean, we've seen shit here that even our liaisons, they're just trying to get us around. 0.87

00:21:24.400 Oh, I saw them interact with Chris Dacey, and I tell you, I can't believe his self-controlled it. 0.98

00:21:29.480 I would have lost it.

00:21:30.980 Wait till you see what they did to your husband, Trevor, who lives next door, and what they did while they were killing the birds.

00:21:39.120 They were enticing them, for sure.

00:21:40.660 They were harassing them and calling them for the cats. 0.83

00:21:43.500 They were harassing them and saying, where were your protesters when you were killing them for you?

00:21:47.120 Really?

00:21:47.960 But he not once.

00:21:48.680 He said it like seven times.

00:21:49.880 Yes.

00:21:50.320 He just kept repeating it.

00:21:51.060 That's an op.

00:21:52.140 That is an operation.

00:21:53.400 That's a psychological operation.

00:21:55.060 Absolutely.

00:21:55.780 That is designed to not to, that's to provoke.

00:21:59.800 It reminds me of the end hours of what, just before Trudeau brought in the Emergencies Act.

00:22:08.080 He needed something.

00:22:09.860 He needed some Reichstag fire.

00:22:11.780 Oh, yeah.

00:22:12.060 And they, that's what, you know what?

00:22:14.000 I never thought that would be going on here, but that's exactly what's going on.

00:22:17.600 What you just described, very dirty.

00:22:20.220 Yeah.

00:22:20.460 Wow.

00:22:21.060 So is it coincidence that Durbel sounds so similar to Gabbel's?

00:22:26.360 That is a coincidence, but you know what?

00:22:28.360 I take your point, though.

00:22:29.780 But they're trying to flip it around.

00:22:31.900 Oh, wait.

00:22:32.620 Oh, man.

00:22:32.940 You know, let me ask you a candid question.

00:22:36.740 CTV, CBC, Global, have any of them given you fair reportage?

00:22:45.440 Not really.

00:22:46.340 I think Global's been good.

00:22:47.200 Global.

00:22:48.000 Global.

00:22:48.200 Global?

00:22:48.700 Global's been good, but then they move on to, right after us, avian flu detected everywhere.

00:22:54.500 It's like they're trying to segue in, and it's just a little bit.

00:22:58.580 And I mentioned there's no, there's no avian flu.

00:23:00.540 Well, it's the kind of thing that you can just, at any time, say it.

00:23:05.140 There hasn't really been fair reporting other than you guys, honestly.

00:23:09.000 You know what I've seen on social media, CTV and CBC, and they always try and make it sound

00:23:15.760 like the avian flu is a present danger.

00:23:19.040 Like they never clarify that that was over almost a year ago.

00:23:23.820 And what's so funny is, once they were all dead, all the PPE came off, and then all of

00:23:28.000 a sudden they're all in their street clothes.

00:23:29.440 And as they're laying, they're dead.

00:23:30.760 Even before.

00:23:31.480 And driving their vehicles into town.

00:23:33.600 Even before they were out in the house.

00:23:35.580 Even right after, when they're taking the hang out.

00:23:38.120 Putting out in the field for the trucks to come in, drive over it, so that they wouldn't

00:23:42.560 get stuck, and then drive out and go, what, to Vancouver?

00:23:47.180 Right.

00:23:47.820 All the way to Vancouver?

00:23:49.060 But there is footage of them before they did the slaughter.

00:23:52.420 And they were not wearing PPE.

00:23:54.920 That's right.

00:23:55.440 But the day we lost a supporter here on the farm, a few days before, they actually sent us

00:24:01.580 an email in the afternoon and said, what are you going to do?

00:24:05.860 We want a complete SOP plan for when you are done disposal and what you're doing to clean

00:24:11.360 up, basically.

00:24:12.520 Oh, oh, oh.

00:24:13.580 And I thought the same way that somebody passed away and they knew that on the farm. 1.00

00:24:17.760 And I thought, I want to talk about the most cold-hearted, evil bastards there is. 0.99

00:24:22.660 Don't forget about the email that you got so that we could go in to see the birds one last 0.99

00:24:27.500 time.

00:24:27.820 And they're not wearing any PPE at all.

00:24:30.440 And they quoted, it's still a quarantine.

00:24:34.020 Yeah.

00:24:34.500 One of the biggest reasons why we couldn't go in and even just say goodbye to them was

00:24:38.540 that it was still a quarantine and they weren't even wearing PPE at all.

00:24:42.260 I have a video taking of the email that they sent immediately and then straight up, zoomed

00:24:50.000 in on them, no PPE at all.

00:24:52.360 It was public health theater.

00:24:54.120 Yeah.

00:24:54.320 It was theater.

00:24:55.260 Yeah.

00:24:55.980 It was a showcase for the world. 0.97

00:24:57.560 It's so gross. 0.72

00:24:58.400 And that's why they need to rest.

00:25:00.560 The biggest thing is this was done so it could never have been more inhumanly done.

00:25:08.120 And they said a bed had to be on site and we had asked for a plan and the way they did

00:25:19.180 it, every one of those animals would have suffered and they would have known, they would

00:25:23.920 have seen it.

00:25:24.880 Did they do it all in the night?

00:25:26.520 Yeah.

00:25:27.400 And they went for a while and they turned the microphone to go again.

00:25:31.280 So they were running practically.

00:25:33.740 They would have been hitting the veils trying to get out.

00:25:36.040 And over 900 shots right now.

00:25:40.220 And our count was only, what, 250 in both of those pens that they have.

00:25:47.320 So even if you want to go with their 330 that they say was there, that's at least three shots

00:25:53.160 or close to three shots per bird.

00:25:55.960 That's not humane.

00:25:57.440 And all of them have to watch their loved ones get killed. 0.64

00:26:01.580 When you shoot a bird in the head from that distance down, you're going to hit one or 0.96

00:26:07.180 two more birds after it goes through that head. 1.00

00:26:09.860 And all those shots, there was so much maiming going on.

00:26:12.900 It was horrifying.

00:26:13.500 And that's why even after we sent five emails begging them to go in to say a prayer over

00:26:20.560 the dad, we said you had done your job.

00:26:23.420 And they refused.

00:26:24.900 Was there a vet on site during the killing?

00:26:29.100 Do we know her?

00:26:29.840 They said there was, but I don't believe.

00:26:32.280 Doing it at, so what time did it start?

00:26:35.360 4.20.

00:26:35.960 A.M.?

00:26:36.840 4.20?

00:26:37.860 A.M.

00:26:38.440 It just started getting dark.

00:26:40.380 You know, getting dark, the only reason to do it in the dark is to hide it from public

00:26:47.620 transparency.

00:26:48.820 Doing it in the dark complicates everything, makes it more dangerous, makes it more likely

00:26:53.220 to miss a bird and injure it rather than kill it, makes it more likely, more dangerous.

00:26:59.220 There's literally no medical or public health reason to do it in the dark other than to hide.

00:27:03.600 Well, then, if you would come out at night, you'd see what happens here.

00:27:06.980 They've got big lights right on us.

00:27:08.900 They put lights on the bales shining toward us.

00:27:11.720 So the lights were shining on you.

00:27:12.980 Yeah, so we had, so initially they, initially they were.

00:27:16.880 And then they had 10 or 20 big double, triple lights around the outside, into the pens, and

00:27:22.640 they were up there as a shooting gallery just going on.

00:27:24.520 So how many shooters do you think there were?

00:27:26.380 At least five.

00:27:27.460 Five, eh?

00:27:28.020 At least.

00:27:28.620 Do you have any information about who they were?

00:27:31.760 No, they were all white dudes and they were Army, I won't say Army, but retired Army age 0.71

00:27:38.480 from my binoculars.

00:27:39.580 Do you think they were British Columbians or do you think they were brought in from maybe

00:27:43.980 even the States?

00:27:44.880 Do you have any idea?

00:27:45.680 No.

00:27:45.960 No.

00:27:46.720 But the RCMP shut down our road and removed everyone off of the highway while this was

00:27:52.600 happening.

00:27:53.280 And my wife had to go get baby stuff from the store, like some diapers and more formula, 1.00

00:27:59.520 and they wouldn't allow her to leave.

00:28:01.380 They left people out on the highway.

00:28:02.980 They said for threat of not being able to get back in.

00:28:06.740 No, for your safety.

00:28:08.120 Yeah.

00:28:08.540 It was for your safety where you're not allowed back in the campground because that's where

00:28:13.100 you live.

00:28:13.840 You don't have a vehicle.

00:28:15.360 You're just going to stay out on the road and fend for yourself.

00:28:17.940 And that's for your safety.

00:28:20.200 And they also blacked out everything here so the supporters couldn't see where they were

00:28:24.100 walking.

00:28:24.660 I walked into a poll as a journalist trying to cover it.

00:28:27.920 Did you see where it's at the power?

00:28:29.640 They just had the lights on previously and then it all blacked out.

00:28:33.660 They had the lights on for a month on everybody.

00:28:36.880 It was so bright.

00:28:37.780 But initially, out at the pen, those lights were just in the pen until they saw that we

00:28:43.480 were filming them at night.

00:28:44.940 No, that's the only time they worked was at night.

00:28:47.560 Yeah.

00:28:48.040 Then they turned those lights onto the highway so no one could see.

00:28:51.820 And that's for a month.

00:28:53.560 What kind of firearms did they use?

00:28:55.520 You know, 15s?

00:28:56.320 No, they're the ones.

00:28:57.680 They sound like M1s. 0.99

00:28:58.980 Yeah.

00:28:59.200 Okay, that's a restrict, that's a rave gun.

00:29:01.680 And that's an automatic or a semi-automatic.

00:29:05.120 So it's prohibited.

00:29:06.500 But we can't say for sure either.

00:29:07.960 It's in that sand.

00:29:08.580 Until we get out there, we look for something.

00:29:10.840 It was so intimate.

00:29:13.720 What was that?

00:29:14.400 Yeah, I have a question.

00:29:16.840 It's too loud for that.

00:29:18.500 There was a few loud ones.

00:29:20.000 There was loud ones too.

00:29:21.280 Just so the voices come over well on the video here, we shouldn't all talk at once.

00:29:28.500 I have a question and I don't mean to be gruesome.

00:29:30.700 I'm just trying to find information that I think a lot of people would want to know.

00:29:35.260 So I'm going to ask a question.

00:29:37.580 I hope it's not too gross.

00:29:40.080 It does sound like a good point.

00:29:41.040 Yeah.

00:29:44.540 Ostrich has a small head and a large body. 0.99

00:29:48.680 If you try to kill the ostrich with a shot, is it a shot to the head? 0.84

00:29:53.640 Yes. 0.99

00:29:53.920 Yes.

00:29:54.140 So were they shooting the heads?

00:29:56.560 Yeah.

00:29:57.080 And that's what I was saying.

00:29:58.700 A lot of them have lost their skulls.

00:30:01.520 We came back the next morning and I heard there were still birds alive and they have to shoot them.

00:30:08.240 So there were birds that were injured and were likely twitching in pain.

00:30:16.200 And because they did it at night, that would likely have not been easily visible at night.

00:30:23.040 Where was the bat going?

00:30:26.700 Because they did it at night, they couldn't see if they killed the animals.

00:30:31.700 So they were in agony for 15 hours.

00:30:35.700 I want to tell you something that Karen told me that was new to me.

00:30:40.200 Ostriches cry when they're hurt. 1.00

00:30:43.000 So there were birds crying through the night.

00:30:45.480 And there's no way, the only way you can do it humanely with a firearm is to the head.

00:30:55.160 And it's for me, because like growing up with them, I was the only one who had to put them down when they got broken legs and stuff. 0.71

00:31:05.900 And the only humane way is a shotgun blast to the head. 0.53

00:31:09.720 And that's the only way. 1.00

00:31:11.540 Any other way.

00:31:12.740 And they have a really tough breastplate.

00:31:17.360 You can't shoot through that.

00:31:19.040 Like, you're just going to hurt them.

00:31:20.960 We came out and aggressively had taken a swipe off of two birds' chunks.

00:31:26.680 And they were still standing there waiting for us to fix them.

00:31:30.020 Wow, they're tough birds.

00:31:31.540 They would have died so slow.

00:31:35.660 They would have been so agonizing.

00:31:37.440 They would have been trying to get out.

00:31:39.640 They had just suffered.

00:31:40.700 That was just so wrong at every level.

00:31:43.700 So let me ask you a firearms question, because I'm not an expert.

00:31:49.840 You think you heard rifle shots as opposed to shotgun shots?

00:31:53.980 Well, some were a little bit louder.

00:31:55.900 But I can't see them.

00:31:57.080 I mean, you and me, we wouldn't use a 30-odd six at 20 yards.

00:32:01.500 No, those were absolutely...

00:32:02.700 It had to be maybe 12-gauge, but that's too loud.

00:32:05.980 No, no, that was not a shotgun.

00:32:08.940 Most of them were M1s, I'm saying. 1.00

00:32:10.720 Yeah, and that's a rifle.

00:32:12.920 No, it's one of those assault rifles.

00:32:15.300 It's an assault rifle.

00:32:16.260 And you're saying that the only humane way to put down an ostrich is with a shotgun. 0.59

00:32:22.840 Yeah, to the head, yeah.

00:32:24.700 There's a reason why it's a legal pen hunt, but yet that's exactly what they did.

00:32:31.120 They created a pen and hunted them while they're running back and forth.

00:32:34.440 There's something humane about them.

00:32:36.500 So in your estimation, there were two shooters or three or five?

00:32:40.980 There were minimum five.

00:32:42.140 Minimum five.

00:32:42.780 Yeah.

00:32:42.980 We have no idea.

00:32:43.840 And you estimate there were 900 shots.

00:32:47.320 We had people on YouTube and were watching lives, counting every single shot.

00:32:52.880 And it was between some people at 750, but there was a lot that had 900 and a little above.

00:33:00.580 And what were the RCMP doing at this point?

00:33:04.640 Trying to arrest them.

00:33:05.720 Yeah.

00:33:06.360 So they were antagonizing us.

00:33:08.820 We don't know.

00:33:09.560 We can only see the ones that are here.

00:33:11.360 Yeah.

00:33:12.120 But they were antagonizing us.

00:33:14.040 Yeah.

00:33:14.580 And they blocked.

00:33:15.740 They separated.

00:33:16.760 They separated them from their supporters, too.

00:33:19.060 Have them on the highway, and then they blocked it, and they tried to prevent me from coming in, too.

00:33:23.700 And what are they doing now?

00:33:25.960 Because I saw they still have the anti-drone machinery.

00:33:30.160 There's still a lot of cops.

00:33:32.000 They need some arrests.

00:33:33.220 Do you think they're trying to pick up shells?

00:33:34.900 That was a theory.

00:33:35.780 There's a video of them.

00:33:37.780 There's a video of them.

00:33:39.080 And they were documenting it, and they were on Ferry Road.

00:33:43.440 And they have it on film, which we downloaded, a shot that came really close to them and hit a tree.

00:33:50.020 They were looking for the shell because they said it was right by the vehicle.

00:33:53.720 Because they were shooting back.

00:33:55.120 And they were shooting in the dark.

00:33:57.960 They were shooting at night.

00:33:58.740 And hay bales are not, like, they are not a backstop to firearms.

00:34:06.860 That's not a trusted source.

00:34:08.560 Right.

00:34:08.860 You know, the air pockets throughout them, that is not, you shouldn't be using that.

00:34:13.540 Like, the only real way to stop a bullet in a safe way is sand or steel or, you know, I mean, water it, too, but not hay bales.

00:34:24.200 So any of those, like, bouncing off could easily go through those hay bales.

00:34:29.340 And they would, those bullets would be going right through ahead, through the hay bales and into the neighboring properties.

00:34:38.040 Yeah.

00:34:38.580 We'll find those showcases.

00:34:39.960 We have the video, too.

00:34:41.440 Yeah, the battle detector.

00:34:42.700 Yeah, we have the video.

00:34:43.420 Hearing the ricochet.

00:34:44.400 They have, how does, how do the police communicate with you, or do they not?

00:34:51.500 They don't anymore.

00:34:52.560 They don't anymore.

00:34:53.360 They brought in kind of a goon squad for this last year.

00:34:57.940 So were they different people that you hadn't seen before?

00:35:00.360 Yeah, yeah, and they were all very disrespectful.

00:35:05.560 I saw some of the videos that Chris Dacey and others took.

00:35:09.060 It really felt like they were trying to provoke an incident.

00:35:11.780 Absolutely.

00:35:12.160 So you're saying you didn't see those people.

00:35:14.480 So they had, like, how many weeks or months total were the RCMP?

00:35:18.880 Six weeks.

00:35:19.940 Six weeks.

00:35:20.620 September 23rd.

00:35:21.780 September 24th.

00:35:23.100 September 23rd.

00:35:24.580 September 23rd.

00:35:25.100 22nd.

00:35:25.640 22nd.

00:35:26.980 So they had.

00:35:29.020 So they brought in.

00:35:30.100 And they came times before, and you guys obviously were like, oh, no, it's happening.

00:35:34.200 Have you ever had a communication from the CFIA since the court order letting them in?

00:35:41.120 Have they talked to you in any way?

00:35:43.300 No, we had police liaisons, and even when we wanted to treat spirit, the hen.

00:35:47.740 First, I said, your drones had hurt a bird.

00:35:52.300 I've left medication, and I told them where.

00:35:55.780 But I told the police, because they wouldn't let us talk to the CFIA.

00:35:58.660 Then the next, they said, okay, we'll put it in writing.

00:36:01.540 So the next day, we put it in writing, because that's, I came back, and I said, have you treated?

00:36:05.340 They said, put it in writing.

00:36:06.740 So then we put it in writing.

00:36:07.860 Then they said, the next day, I said, so was she treated?

00:36:10.140 I kept saying, the CFIA ignored me.

00:36:12.640 And then they said, no, now you need to send them an email.

00:36:15.720 It was day five that we finally got David to check her, and at that point, that's what

00:36:23.400 the video is.

00:36:24.400 So that's you talking to the CFIA, and have they ever proactively spoken to you?

00:36:29.940 No.

00:36:30.300 No.

00:36:30.640 Never once.

00:36:31.240 Absolutely not.

00:36:32.020 On email.

00:36:32.900 Only on email, and it's the same generic answer.

00:36:35.620 I would list a whole list of things.

00:36:38.140 Concerns, and animal health, welfare, and their generic thing is, under the law, the quarantine,

00:36:45.020 we have control of your birds, and we have a veterinarian on site.

00:36:49.080 But they told us they would not treat any of our animals with that veterinarian, even

00:36:53.640 though in the court order, where it says they have to maintain custody through the interim

00:36:59.540 order, stay order, which means maintain, leave them status quo.

00:37:04.520 Now, what they did, the day after the interim stay order came on, they chased all the hurt

00:37:11.080 birds out of the hurt bird pen into the general public.

00:37:14.720 Immediately, they were in breach of the quarantine.

00:37:18.140 Let me ask you one more question about the CFIA.

00:37:20.280 Were any of their emails signed by a person, or was it just generic CFIA?

00:37:24.680 Oh, it's called West AI-7, and they said it goes to seven people, and they do that.

00:37:30.880 They only have it West AI-7 to protect, so they don't get death threats.

00:37:35.440 So, literally not a single time has a CFIA individual met with you in person, on the

00:37:43.040 phone, or in an email at all.

00:37:44.700 It's just a generic...

00:37:45.520 When they busted in here, when they first busted in there, it was two males.

00:37:49.340 Oh, yeah.

00:37:49.900 One older gentleman, one other one, and they were...

00:37:52.720 Remember?

00:37:53.360 You could look through their eyes, and they were black.

00:37:55.720 Yeah. 0.82

00:37:55.980 Just black. 0.95

00:37:56.500 One guy's smiling.

00:37:58.040 Smiled all the way through it.

00:37:59.560 That was when they first come down...

00:38:01.480 So, since the first contact, they literally have not had any human contact, no phone calls,

00:38:08.480 no...

00:38:08.880 Let alone an in-person conversation.

00:38:11.600 That's astonishing.

00:38:12.400 February 26th was the last real contact that we had with them.

00:38:16.360 February 26th.

00:38:17.640 It's more than...

00:38:18.180 It's almost a year.

00:38:19.160 And Karen's been over the top, kind, peaceful.

00:38:22.480 We've offered...

00:38:23.300 We're cooking them Thanksgiving dinner.

00:38:25.700 They're cops.

00:38:26.260 They wouldn't accept it.

00:38:27.120 We did everything, because this is the kindest human being you can imagine. 1.00

00:38:30.180 They just treated it like dog shit. 1.00

00:38:32.600 No, thank you. 1.00

00:38:33.780 An entire...

00:38:34.640 Even as for...

00:38:36.400 Do you have any sense of whether this operation is being run out of Ottawa or from B.C.?

00:38:42.540 It's out of this country.

00:38:43.340 Neither.

00:38:44.080 It's not in this country.

00:38:44.900 It's run from overseas.

00:38:46.320 It's about...

00:38:46.820 The United Nations, WF.

00:38:48.600 Yep.

00:38:49.220 And Ottawa.

00:38:50.500 It's through Ottawa.

00:38:51.480 It's definitely Ottawa.

00:38:52.720 The Organization of Animal Health.

00:38:54.460 Are you...

00:38:54.900 I thought you were...

00:38:55.780 Chase is back.

00:38:56.400 What's it called?

00:38:57.420 That's the policy.

00:38:58.900 So the policy comes from a World Health Organization?

00:39:01.700 Or Big Pharma?

00:39:02.760 It's all the same.

00:39:03.360 Get out of the way. 0.94

00:39:03.960 The World Health Organization is an animal.

00:39:08.380 Yeah.

00:39:09.100 Have they referred to that at all in any documents?

00:39:11.940 No.

00:39:12.160 Yes.

00:39:12.660 Yes, they have the World Health that they referred to.

00:39:16.500 They go beyond what the World Health said.

00:39:18.920 There is exceptions in the World Health.

00:39:23.540 If they had followed that entirely, this wouldn't have happened.

00:39:26.920 Yeah.

00:39:27.240 Because there is exceptions in the World Health.

00:39:29.740 The CFIA has gone beyond what the World Health was saying.

00:39:33.340 Yeah, you're right.

00:39:33.760 And WOA actually said at one point that the calling is not a long-term...

00:39:39.760 Like, it's...

00:39:41.760 Yeah, it's just not a long-term thing.

00:39:45.020 It doesn't help anything.

00:39:46.580 It was meant to be a temporary measure.

00:39:47.140 Yeah.

00:39:47.280 In the courts, the CFIA points to WOA and says,

00:39:52.720 we are practicing what they say and what is normalized internationally.

00:39:56.860 But then they supersede it as well and go beyond what that calls them to do.

00:40:02.840 What do you think...

00:40:04.560 Is there a political motive here?

00:40:07.400 I mean, the high-handedness, the taunting, the provocations, the refusal to deal with you directly, the refusal of the minister to answer my friendly question, the stonewalling, the massive police presence, the shock and awe of the firearms massacre.

00:40:25.840 All of this seems so irregular, it's almost like it's trying to send a message.

00:40:32.560 At least that's how I feel.

00:40:34.560 At least that's how I feel.

00:40:35.560 They think you're sending presidents is what they think.

00:40:37.780 That we're an example to the world because we stood up, but what they really are doing is they're stealing our science.

00:40:47.000 They absolutely have stolen our science.

00:40:49.920 Have you been in touch with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.?

00:40:52.280 I saw one of his letters.

00:40:54.140 I understand he sent another one.

00:40:56.340 I thought that letter was eminently reasonable, friendly, neighborly, moderate.

00:41:02.000 It came from John Casamideas, Dr. Oz, Emmett Oz.

00:41:05.880 And since this has all happened, they all want now evidence.

00:41:11.260 They all want to see what's happened.

00:41:14.300 It feels like my question to the minister, and I don't want to talk too much about my question, but it was designed to say, look, here's a thoughtful man who thinks about viruses.

00:41:23.220 He says there's scientific value here.

00:41:25.720 Why don't you've got nothing to lose?

00:41:27.620 Let him investigate.

00:41:29.300 And I don't know what private message they sent him, but in public, they've given him, you know, the back of their hand.

00:41:37.520 Do you think that RFK Jr. will have something to say about the way this ended?

00:41:44.160 Oh, absolutely.

00:41:45.580 Absolutely.

00:41:46.180 They all will.

00:41:46.880 Same with John Casamideas.

00:41:48.240 They're all very upset right now.

00:41:50.100 And that's what we are in touch with them still.

00:41:53.000 But the biggest thing here is, like we said, it's the science that they wanted.

00:41:56.060 We found out, they say there in the news that there's no evidence of what our science was.

00:42:02.880 We gave them every evidence, including an actual program to follow, something that we could all do together.

00:42:09.300 And with our scientists in collaboration, to give a natural cure, we offered to work to mitigate the problem right at the source of the ducks.

00:42:17.260 They said we don't work with wildlife.

00:42:19.480 We gave them every piece of information for diagnostic tools or to do a therapeutic.

00:42:25.360 for a treatment, a natural cure.

00:42:29.100 Yet, in March, they turn us down.

00:42:31.820 They give us an exemption.

00:42:32.900 They take it away a week later, and they tell us there's not enough manpower or resources to do this.

00:42:38.800 Let me ask you a question about, I mean, here's what I saw with my own eyes.

00:42:42.600 I saw the imagery of CFIA personnel disabling your cameras.

00:42:51.160 And as far as I can tell, that is not contemplated in the court order, that they have the ability to do things like that.

00:42:58.180 They didn't have the ability.

00:42:59.060 They did it at, like, all the things that, the decision to do this at night, the refusal to engage with you.

00:43:06.060 They do everything they want to do.

00:43:07.400 And even animal cruelty, which is in the criminal code.

00:43:12.320 Have you made any complaints to the RCMP about the CFIA's conduct, including possibly animal cruelty?

00:43:22.060 They were opened with the RCMP an animal abuse case investigation.

00:43:28.940 And we've been handing them stuff, and they say every time we talk to them, oh, it's an ongoing investigation.

00:43:35.600 Ongoing.

00:43:36.140 Okay, let me ask you, because that could be true, or that could be just blowing you up.

00:43:40.500 Have they told you which officer is in charge of that investigation?

00:43:44.780 Has any officer contacted you and say, I'd like to take a statement from you?

00:43:50.160 No, they just keep saying that they're going to hand it to their investigative team, and that's all we get.

00:43:55.660 Any stuff?

00:43:56.720 Some stuff they won't even take.

00:43:58.940 They refuse to take, as evidence.

00:44:01.820 And then, and other stuff, they, at one point they did give a file number or something like that, but we couldn't figure out where that would lead us.

00:44:12.520 I asked many times where the investigation was going, and they just kept saying it's ongoing.

00:44:18.320 We all said at the gate, what do you do when you have a problem?

00:44:22.140 Who do you call?

00:44:23.240 We said, you're right here, and we're asking you to do the right thing.

00:44:27.380 I want to add one thing to this.

00:44:29.720 When the birds were slowly disappearing, they were using a crane to remove the bin from inside their kill pen, a crane.

00:44:41.220 Now, if it's, as they say, which was PPE and the trash from their food, you don't need a crane to take that out.

00:44:49.900 You actually do, because that was a flat, that truck, and they didn't have a sock pole or anything, so they had to, those are big bins.

00:44:56.540 You have to pick them up and put them, and we've dumpster dove lots, but I'm not saying you're wrong.

00:45:01.400 But dumpster diving, there was always two dumpsters that always drove around the back that you never got to dumpster dive.

00:45:08.260 That's the problem.

00:45:10.620 I think what they did was set those over.

00:45:12.580 They didn't dump them, and they just set them over there.

00:45:15.240 So when we were dumpster diving like they thought we were going to do, we didn't find anything.

00:45:19.800 The next day, those two bins were gone.

00:45:21.560 I think the bottom line here is you guys were cut off from the herd, which is not normal.

00:45:26.820 The CFIA usually allows farmers to be a part of the process up until the call.

00:45:32.100 They sat here while you guys were dealing with Supreme Court for 40 days and blocked you from your herd.

00:45:39.000 Obviously, you have no trust.

00:45:40.360 You saw actual evidence of neglect, and furthermore, the other hen who was injured, and you guys can't even get a count.

00:45:47.420 You can't get your vet in.

00:45:48.540 That's concerning.

00:45:49.180 I want to go back to what you said about the science, because they didn't just slaughter the herd.

00:45:54.280 They slaughtered the science with it, and the manipulative framing we're seeing in the media now to shift public support against you guys.

00:46:03.460 The framing is the claim that you brought up, and you said they're trying to say you're not even involved in science.

00:46:09.200 And when you look at the CFIA, how they do that is they word it in a way where they say they saw no evidence of the science on the property.

00:46:17.080 So, I want you to explain why that is manipulative for them to be saying, and the media to be saying.

00:46:23.280 Because we're a farm, we're a farm.

00:46:26.840 Struthio Biosciences, Dr. Tsukamoto in Japan, Dr. Stu Greenberg in the U.S., we were about to build a lab this year in the Okanagan, but we're not the lab.

00:46:38.600 We are the farm.

00:46:39.900 We're the producer of the antibodies.

00:46:41.660 So, sure, we don't look like we're a research facility, but we very much are.

00:46:46.940 And we've been doing it for four years, and we had 98% effective antibodies for COVID-19, which they also knew.

00:46:54.120 And like Dave said, February 26th, they said, we'll be coming for those too.

00:46:59.320 And they asked us where they were, and we said, and they said, don't worry, we're coming for all of them too.

00:47:03.920 They knew we had, the older birds would have had H5N1 pseudonomas and COVID-19.

00:47:11.020 So, those hens were very valuable to them, very valuable.

00:47:14.900 And they also know you had expert scientists, witnesses, and their testimonies or their statements were rejected from your cases.

00:47:23.760 So, they know very well you guys are involved in science, but they put out a different message to make you guys look crazy to the public.

00:47:29.940 Everything from the record, from day one, and the biggest thing is our, the virus that was here, and Steve Pellick told us this.

00:47:39.140 When we, I had to put in the freedom of information to get the genome sequencing, it finally came in just before court.

00:47:45.980 And Steve Pellick right away took it apart, and he said, oh my goodness, you guys, there's eight chromosomes.

00:47:50.860 He said five of them were high path, but three were low.

00:47:54.180 And he said, the minute you have that, he said, and they would have known this, he said it becomes a hybrid.

00:47:58.620 So, it can never have the effectiveness of a high path.

00:48:01.280 So, he said it wasn't even really reportable.

00:48:03.940 He said, so, but every time we tried to get that evidence into court, they would strike it from the record, strike it from the record.

00:48:09.900 All four of Steve Pellick's reports got stricken from the record.

00:48:14.400 And that's what we say today, we've never had a day in court.

00:48:17.860 We have never had, and then we asked for a ministerial reconsideration of the true facts to date, our facts, that they've been healthy for 10 months, and we've been denied, dismissed.

00:48:32.800 We've never had our day in court.

00:48:35.920 And yet, the day they showed up here on the farm, Courtney herself wrote us a letter denying that she said the reconsideration of our facts from CFIA.

00:48:45.740 But at the bottom of that paper was what's so important.

00:48:48.420 She said, but you're allowed to stay on your property, please, and feed your birds and take care of them.

00:48:53.220 And she said, but stay away from the areas that we're working on.

00:48:57.520 So, we showed it right away to CFIA.

00:49:00.000 We showed it right away to the police.

00:49:01.620 They walked away for a few minutes.

00:49:03.060 They came back, and they said, that means nothing now.

00:49:05.700 Then they promised us we could go feed our animals.

00:49:08.480 And the minute we're out of camera view, even though they promised us we could, they didn't even let us pour out the last two buckets on one side.

00:49:16.100 They didn't even finish our chores, which I said, we're handcuffed.

00:49:19.460 You have us.

00:49:20.300 We're not resisting.

00:49:21.160 I said, let me finish the chores.

00:49:24.200 And they wouldn't even let us finish, and they didn't even finish the chores that day.

00:49:27.940 And what did they do?

00:49:29.200 They handcuffed us.

00:49:30.420 They threw us in a paddy wagon.

00:49:31.880 They drove us out.

00:49:33.320 They didn't disinfect nothing.

00:49:35.400 They wore PPE up there.

00:49:37.600 And then the guy holding the camera were like, is he allowed to do that?

00:49:41.240 And they're like, he's like, come.

00:49:43.380 And he hands off his stick with the gloves still on.

00:49:46.540 He goes and strips, comes back and grabs it.

00:49:48.860 Then they bring us out.

00:49:49.900 They don't disinfect us at all from coming off the place.

00:49:53.440 Then they hand us their phone to talk to our lawyer.

00:49:56.920 And just everything that was done is, if you want to spread a virus, if this was, it would have been spread.

00:50:02.860 But they have no problem, because they all knew there was never a virus here.

00:50:07.540 The other thing I'm seeing in the media, that's what I've been doing this morning, is seeing what the mainstream is trying to put out there.

00:50:13.400 And the other thing is, they keep talking about John Katsumaridis, a mega conservative billionaire who's been helping you guys and trying to somehow act like because a billionaire helped you guys, it's an issue.

00:50:25.820 But I want the public to know the significance, especially since we are in a trade war where Mark Carney is supposed to be getting us a deal.

00:50:34.620 And what was on the table here with the highest medical professionals in the United States.

00:50:40.160 Could you explain one of John Katsumaridis' businesses and why it's important to Canada?

00:50:48.020 The Red Apple Investment Group.

00:50:50.040 And that's what he said.

00:50:51.020 He's one of the number one importers of Canadian oil.

00:50:54.120 And he wrote a beautiful letter.

00:50:56.880 And couldn't even, nobody, they just ignored it.

00:51:00.680 And he said, isn't that something?

00:51:02.420 He said, you could be a multi-billionaire.

00:51:05.180 And be an importer of, one of the number one importers of Canadian oil into the U.S.

00:51:11.760 And he said, you can't make a difference.

00:51:13.660 He goes, this is much bigger than you think.

00:51:16.580 And what are they hiding from?

00:51:18.220 Yeah.

00:51:18.540 Like, they've been hiding behind lights, no-fly zones, RCMP.

00:51:22.020 What are they hiding from?

00:51:23.460 They put the no-tab zone, and that's very important, too.

00:51:26.180 The no-what zone?

00:51:27.240 The no-fly zone.

00:51:28.640 They actually put that over there.

00:51:30.400 That wasn't.

00:51:31.000 Right.

00:51:31.400 That was after you and Tamara went up and made the chopper.

00:51:35.760 Let me ask you two more questions.

00:51:37.100 And by the way, thanks very much.

00:51:38.660 I know you've talked, you've said these things before, but I'm fairly new to it.

00:51:43.360 But I'm so delighted that Drea has been here so much, and Sid.

00:51:46.400 Oh, there we are.

00:51:46.820 And we've had a couple others rotate through, Sheila and others.

00:51:53.460 So when do you think they're going to leave?

00:51:56.200 Because I looked at the order today.

00:51:58.900 I don't think there's an ending to it.

00:52:00.580 Do you have any information about when the CFIA and the RCMP are going to go?

00:52:05.780 They say, it is written, that as soon as they are done their operations, which I would imagine that the bodies have left the property, they're supposed to be off your property within 12 hours.

00:52:16.080 If they're not, whatever after 12 hours becomes your property.

00:52:20.020 They said they have 12 hours to leave.

00:52:22.340 And that's why they went under that guise of that, is because it's endless.

00:52:28.280 As long as they stay there, it's endless.

00:52:30.520 And that's what we've been trying to do.

00:52:31.260 Right.

00:52:31.520 I mean, how do you know when that 12 hours starts?

00:52:34.380 Yeah.

00:52:34.760 They could be searching for their own shell cases.

00:52:37.480 Yeah.

00:52:37.760 Absolutely.

00:52:38.320 Which could be operations.

00:52:40.000 It should be when the bodies have left the property.

00:52:41.820 It should have been.

00:52:42.740 And also fluids, also fluids of these animals, it takes like 22 days for that to die off with, with herbals.

00:52:51.080 So how many hours has it been since the bodies have been removed?

00:52:54.420 Not even done this night.

00:52:56.320 Pardon me?

00:52:56.700 Last night is when the bodies were removed?

00:52:58.700 Yeah, probably the last one was around midnight.

00:53:05.220 I sometimes think legally, and I know you guys had that legal case that went all the way up to the Supreme Court and they refused to hear it.

00:53:12.740 That treated certain issues.

00:53:15.720 But we've talked about other issues today, including possible crimes being committed by the CFIA in terms of animal abuse.

00:53:24.260 Amazing.

00:53:25.120 There may be mischief altering your surveillance cameras.

00:53:31.260 By what authority?

00:53:33.080 There may be other things.

00:53:34.940 Have you contemplated, instead of playing defense, going on the offense and lawyering up, even to help with access to information requests, to help follow up?

00:53:50.320 Because I understand that you've made some complaints.

00:53:53.160 But I think if you have a lawyer doing that, it might be taken more seriously.

00:54:00.500 And the lawyer might know if there's a certain way to appeal certain decisions.

00:54:05.800 A lawyer might even be able to help with a private prosecution.

00:54:09.980 I don't know.

00:54:10.780 Maybe I...

00:54:11.320 We absolutely have.

00:54:12.360 We've got Omar Sheikh is...

00:54:14.420 This is his specialty now.

00:54:16.060 And that's what he said is, we're offense 100%.

00:54:21.960 You know what?

00:54:22.540 They've created nothing but time and a bigger vision.

00:54:25.500 They've created the strength of a village and bloodshed and voices that need to be heard and will not die.

00:54:33.560 And I have nothing but time to dismantle this organization to put one with a proper response that will treat animals properly.

00:54:43.580 They should be wearing cameras like the police.

00:54:45.920 They should be accountable for what they do.

00:54:48.740 And we have nothing but time now.

00:54:51.520 And we have a lot of people that...

00:54:53.460 The strength behind us.

00:54:54.720 And we...

00:54:55.460 This is just the beginning.

00:54:58.000 We need some heavy hitters. 1.00

00:54:59.220 I'm glad to hear that you're thinking that way because I think they're brushing you off.

00:55:05.200 I think they're not showing you the respect.

00:55:09.600 The way they've rejected your complaints so far.

00:55:13.500 I think there's a lot of information you might be able to get just through privacy requests or information requests.

00:55:21.540 And I think that you need...

00:55:24.520 I think you need a lawyer to help be the pointy edge of the sphere. 1.00

00:55:28.460 That's just...

00:55:29.500 That's my unsolicited opinion.

00:55:32.520 Forgive me for sharing.

00:55:33.580 We've got the farmhouse lots.

00:55:35.480 We've got evidence that it's higher than this house.

00:55:38.840 We've got intelligence everywhere.

00:55:40.760 We just need...

00:55:41.520 We need some heavy hitters. 1.00

00:55:42.700 We need someone that's going to actually...

00:55:44.360 A lot of the problem is we don't know the truth.

00:55:48.100 Because they've literally kept you in the dark.

00:55:51.160 They've shut down planes and drones.

00:55:53.440 They did it at night.

00:55:54.960 They won't answer your questions.

00:55:56.460 They have created...

00:56:00.460 They've done this in the dark.

00:56:03.120 Zero transparency.

00:56:04.500 Zero.

00:56:04.840 And I think that's one of the things that upsets people.

00:56:08.280 Because it's like when the government sees truckers' bank accounts.

00:56:13.000 Surprise.

00:56:14.200 No explanation.

00:56:15.280 No proper legal processes.

00:56:17.180 And it made people afraid of their own government.

00:56:20.020 The fact that there's no transparency, no accountability, high-handed, abusive, won't even sign their names.

00:56:27.020 That's not how a government is supposed to work in a democracy.

00:56:30.180 Where do you go with this, though?

00:56:31.420 We're at the highest court now, and they refuse us.

00:56:34.620 The one below that, three of them, all said no.

00:56:38.400 Everything else.

00:56:39.220 This has to be something like a tribunal.

00:56:41.300 Well, I mean, there's different battlegrounds, right?

00:56:44.540 There's the access to information battleground.

00:56:46.800 There's the complaints about animal cruelty battles.

00:56:49.620 So those are different court cases, different causes of action, different legal tools.

00:56:56.400 They took this out of the country when it had gone the German thing.

00:56:59.900 Why can't we do this somewhere else, like Brussels or something?

00:57:02.780 And I think there's a political angle, too.

00:57:04.860 I think that the people in the United States who cared about that medical research, you know, I'll tell you one thing.

00:57:12.800 RFK Jr., anyone from Trump's cabinet is going to get their phone call answered in Ottawa, I think.

00:57:19.800 I mean, if not, I mean, that would be it.

00:57:22.620 We're trying to have trade negotiations with America.

00:57:25.180 We didn't get them before, though, Andrew.

00:57:26.640 We got nothing from Ottawa saying Carney didn't even stick his head out.

00:57:30.820 Yeah, you're right. 0.96

00:57:31.380 Well, listen, I appreciate you answering my questions, some of which were good questions, some of which were sort of dumb questions.

00:57:37.240 I feel a lot smarter now than I did before.

00:57:40.020 Thanks for showing so much hospitality to Drea Humphrey and her family and my friend Sid and the other journalists.

00:57:48.680 I mean, this is a really important story to Rebel News viewers across the country and even overseas.

00:57:55.620 I was overseas and people said, what's up with those ostriches? 0.99

00:57:58.940 You know, it's such an unusual thing, but people, either their love for animals kicks in or they don't understand the Kafka-esque rules.

00:58:10.520 Like, there's something here that has caught the attention of millions of people.

00:58:14.900 And I think telling the story is the first step.

00:58:18.680 So thank you to Drea and all the other citizen journalists.

00:58:22.580 I mean, that's been amazing to me.

00:58:24.460 And we'll try and keep it on the story.

00:58:27.780 Even though a lot of the reporting is coming to an end on location, I think some of these battles will continue possibly for years to come.

00:58:36.960 That's absolutely right.

00:58:38.360 I haven't told you guys all formally, but just because the ostriches' lives and your livelihoods were lost yesterday, you know the battle isn't over. 0.99

00:58:47.060 Journalistically, it's certainly far from over for me, too.

00:58:49.940 That's why we're shifting our reports about Save the Ostriches to Avenge the Ostriches at AvengeTheOstriches.com.

00:58:58.100 Thank you.

00:58:58.880 All right, well, thank you for briefing me.

00:59:02.200 Thank you for giving me so much information.

00:59:03.920 We'll share that.

00:59:04.800 Sid recorded that, so we'll edit that up a bit.

00:59:07.900 And I think that a lot of people would find this conversation very illuminated.

00:59:12.820 Especially in the kitchen.

00:59:13.980 This is where we do all the work.

00:59:15.060 Yeah, this is where it all goes down.

00:59:17.100 This is the omni-a.

00:59:17.980 This is the odd computer.

00:59:20.420 We're all right here.

00:59:21.660 And there hasn't been one person that's walked through that door that hasn't been welcomed and tried to feed.

00:59:26.400 This woman is totally amazing. 0.99

00:59:27.760 They're great for that.

00:59:30.120 Katie's done a lot, too.

00:59:31.220 I don't know where she is.

00:59:32.720 Katie.

00:59:33.800 Katie.

00:59:34.720 I would love to be here without Katie.

00:59:36.440 That's right.

00:59:36.980 She has been so dedicated.

00:59:39.400 Oh, my gosh.

00:59:40.600 I'd like to make one more statement, and maybe I shouldn't.

00:59:43.420 Well, no.

00:59:46.980 The hardest thing that we've had to do as all the supporters come forward, many supporters have wanted to take physical action

00:59:56.880 and to save those birds.

00:59:57.940 Right.

00:59:58.220 And the hardest thing for us has been to say, no, we can't.

01:00:07.080 Yeah.

01:00:07.880 Because if we take the physical action, that's what they've been trying to provoke us all the time.

01:00:12.620 Right.

01:00:12.820 But now with those birds dead out there, it's just, there's something alive.

01:00:17.840 Well, I look forward to seeing the strategy you choose to go forward.

01:00:24.400 You know that Drea is deeply engrossed in this story.

01:00:27.520 She has a mastery of so many details, and I know that you can brief her, either in person or by phone or by email.

01:00:36.160 I'm sure you have all her contact info.

01:00:39.620 You know, I don't know a lot about ostriches.

01:00:41.580 But to me, they're a symbol for a government that is abusive, high-handed, secretive, vengeful, unreasonable, authoritarian.

01:00:54.520 And we still don't even know who the shock calder was.

01:00:57.580 We don't know who the boss of this was.

01:00:59.540 And I need to understand a little bit more about this international organization.

01:01:03.420 I mean, because that's the craziest of all things.

01:01:07.440 Imagine if this really is being directed by some global public health authority.

01:01:12.400 Do you remember when COVID first came out?

01:01:14.060 Guaranteed.

01:01:14.760 It took months, and the whole world was infected by it.

01:01:18.860 It's pre-planned.

01:01:20.440 This is the same thing with these antibodies.

01:01:22.460 It feels very similar, as does the unthinking response to it.

01:01:28.160 And the maximalist response to it.

01:01:30.720 And the refusal to see any contrary evidence.

01:01:34.360 Nothing.

01:01:34.640 The refusal to hear any contrary voices.

01:01:38.020 I really feel like we're reliving the worst of the COVID mania.

01:01:43.040 Not yet, but you're going to.

01:01:44.420 And I think it's motivated in some parts by controlling turf.

01:01:49.840 And I think there's big bucks in the vaccine side of things.

01:01:54.520 And I think RFK Jr. was correct.

01:01:56.480 These birds had medical value.

01:01:58.620 And the fact that they were killed, I can't help but wonder if it was because they had medical value and the secrecy with which the government killed them.

01:02:08.720 You know, I think the government is coming to this without clean hands.

01:02:12.720 Everything they did was not what you would expect from a democracy.

01:02:15.820 Doing it at night.

01:02:16.880 No fly zone.

01:02:18.120 Drone trackers.

01:02:19.440 Police.

01:02:20.360 Attempts to provoke.

01:02:22.020 No one signing their name.

01:02:23.120 Not answering a journalist's question.

01:02:26.360 Shutting down surveillance.

01:02:28.680 You don't turn off the camera unless you're doing something untoward.

01:02:33.060 Follow the money.

01:02:34.320 There's so much here.

01:02:36.140 Thank you for letting me pepper you with questions for this past hour.

01:02:40.480 And I'm going to talk to some other great journalists here.

01:02:43.080 Chris Dacey, I think, has done a really good job.

01:02:45.380 Katie.

01:02:45.940 Katie.

01:02:46.460 I think there's some great people here.

01:02:47.780 Yeah, you need Katie for sure. 1.00

01:02:49.020 And thank you for showing up.

01:02:50.380 Well, you know, this is what Rebel News is about.

01:02:54.840 You know, our motto, telling the other side of the story.

01:02:58.180 You got your CTV and your CBC.

01:03:00.640 The real story.

01:03:01.320 But, you know, one of our mottos is follow the facts wherever they lead.

01:03:06.060 That's what we tell our team.

01:03:07.780 And that's what Drea has been doing.

01:03:09.980 And also there's a respect.

01:03:12.180 I think there's been a bit of snobbery aimed at the farm.

01:03:16.400 I think that.

01:03:17.540 Just a bit.

01:03:18.600 I don't want to use the word classism, but there's a bit of that.

01:03:23.760 You're just farmers.

01:03:25.140 What do you know?

01:03:26.140 Police included.

01:03:26.720 Yeah.

01:03:27.060 I think there's a condescension there. 1.00

01:03:31.440 And by the way, there's some idea so stupid only an expert will believe them. 0.99

01:03:35.580 And we're not protesters. 0.99

01:03:37.480 We are supporters.

01:03:38.320 Oh, I know.

01:03:38.720 I mean, only a Ph.D. would say kill a herd because 10 months ago they were sick. 1.00

01:03:46.180 But you've got to be stupid to believe that. 1.00

01:03:48.300 But these so-called experts, that's the flashback I'm having for COVID. 0.99

01:03:52.320 Dr. Angela, I think we're 35 years of experts with the ostrich in the industry, and not once did they ask us a question for the ostrich.

01:04:01.360 Well, thank you again for hosting Drea and Sid and others, and thanks for being so candid.

01:04:08.320 Thank you.

01:04:09.240 Thank you, thank you.

01:04:09.580 Thank you.

01:04:09.920 Thank you.

01:04:10.540 Thank you.

01:04:11.100 Thank you.

01:04:11.680 Thank you.

01:04:13.440 Drea has been amazing.

01:04:15.440 Yeah.

01:04:15.880 Thank you.

01:04:16.260 Thank you.

01:04:16.700 Thank you.

01:04:16.760 Thank you.

01:04:17.160 Thank you.

01:04:17.500 Thank you.

01:04:17.700 Thank you.

01:04:17.820 Thank you.

01:04:18.200 Thank you.

01:04:18.280 Thank you so much.

01:04:19.180 Oh, really?

01:04:20.000 I believe that.

01:04:21.200 Where did you?

01:04:21.720 He said you've been, you've been, you've been, you've been fun that time.

01:04:24.880 I've done.

01:04:25.640 They gave me a glass of wine.

01:04:27.080 I thought the little.

01:04:27.720 Oh.

01:04:35.540 I tell you, it was very emotional out there, and the feeling of disappointment and frustration and anger at our government was palpable.

01:04:43.400 Here, let me read your letters to me about the ostriches. 0.61

01:04:46.860 Tickster 123 says, this is outrageous, and give them hell, Ezra. 0.79

01:04:50.240 I'm so ashamed of this country.

01:04:52.620 Well, the RCMP, I think they really torched their credibility.

01:04:55.260 Why were they even there?

01:04:56.140 Why did they let themselves be used by these food inspectors?

01:04:59.980 Like, seriously, what are they, for rent?

01:05:03.820 InfoSec Strategic said, it is illegal in Canada to shoot at night.

01:05:08.800 Any hunter would likely end up in jail if he shoots animals at night.

01:05:12.440 Very interesting.

01:05:13.660 I'm not a hunter myself, but that sounds plausible to me.

01:05:20.000 Isn't that an interesting point?

01:05:21.720 They waited till nightfall so they could do it in the dark.

01:05:25.260 Just crazy.

01:05:27.340 Gene Splice said, cruelty isn't only pain.

01:05:30.140 Animals witnessing the demise and cries and screaming of other animals, as they are called, and experiencing the intense fear, is cruel in itself.

01:05:37.180 You are exactly right.

01:05:39.380 And they were all there together as they were killed one after the other.

01:05:42.500 I don't want to anthropomorphize too much.

01:05:45.960 I don't want to pretend that the ostriches were human beings. 1.00

01:05:50.000 I don't want to go that far.

01:05:51.840 But there was a bitter cruelty.

01:05:53.780 And animals have, you know, they have certain faculties.

01:05:59.800 I don't know if feelings is the words.

01:06:01.460 But, you know, there are some emotions in animals.

01:06:05.380 And they have a knowledge of what's going around.

01:06:07.020 And they do form bonds and family and friendship in their own animal way.

01:06:12.180 And to have them be exposed to this must have been an extremely stressful end.

01:06:19.160 And I think the worst thing I heard when I was out there was there was over 900 shots that were heard in the night.

01:06:26.500 But I heard that there were shots in the morning, which to me means that in the daylight, some of the ostriches must still have been alive and twitching or moving.

01:06:35.080 And then only then did the shooters finish them off.

01:06:38.860 So they were in agony overnight.

01:06:40.880 That was the worst part of my trip.

01:06:42.800 What do you think?

01:06:44.240 Dre is going to continue on this story.

01:06:46.180 We set up a new website at AvengeTheOstriches.com.

01:06:50.520 Check it out.

01:06:52.140 That's our show for today.

01:06:53.800 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

01:06:59.240 And keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - November 11, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Reuters just admitted something about Rebel News they REALLY didn’t want to

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