Tommy Robinson's lawyers have requested an emergency hearing about his treatment at His Majesty's Prison Woodhill in England. They argue that his treatment is tantamount to torture and therefore illegal. Rebel News Plus is the video version of this podcast, and we love to show you things not just to tell you about them, but to make sure you get the most out of them.
00:00:00.000Hello, my friends. I'm recording this little intro in Toronto, but by the time you hear it,
00:00:04.460I will be in London, England, where I will be live tweeting Tommy Robinson's court case. He's
00:00:10.900applying to a judge to get him out of solitary confinement, where he has been rotting for four
00:00:16.000or five months now. You're not supposed to be in solitary for more than a few days. It's a kind of
00:00:20.100torture. He's going to serve nine months if we don't win in court. So that's what I'll be doing
00:00:25.080today. That will be the bulk of the show today. I'm speaking prospectively because I'm not yet
00:00:31.020out there when I record this. What I have just recorded also is an interview with our friend
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00:01:55.400Tonight, I'm in London for Tommy Robinson's hearing. It's March 20th and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
00:02:18.100You're fighting for freedom. Shame on you, you censorious bug.
00:02:32.860Hi everybody, Ezra LeVant here at the Toronto International Airport. I'm about to fly
00:02:37.000to London, England, and the good news is my flight's right on time. I'll arrive very early tomorrow
00:02:44.080morning and I'll go straight to the Royal Courts of Justice in the Strand. Tomorrow morning is a
00:02:49.920special two-hour emergency hearing by Tommy's lawyers. Tommy Robinson is in court tomorrow. He
00:02:57.080himself will likely not be there. He might appear by video link. But the purpose of the hearing,
00:03:02.780it's a kind of case management hearing. Tommy Robinson's lawyers have filed pleadings in the court
00:03:09.020saying that his treatment at His Majesty's Prison, Woodhill, is tantamount to torture and therefore
00:03:15.560illegal. You might recall that late last year, Tommy Robinson was sentenced to prison, the maximum term
00:03:21.060for contempt of court for publishing a video to Twitter. It was a shocking sentence, the most allowed
00:03:27.700under law, 18 months of which he'll serve nine months. That's atrocious to begin with, but they put
00:03:33.180him in segregation, in solitary confinement, where he remains in his cell for 21 hours a day.
00:03:39.840He's only allowed out to shower, to exercise, and very occasionally to visit guests. But the prison
00:03:45.420governor is such a sadist. I don't understand how cruel she can be. She really is a sociopath.
00:03:51.660She plays games with Tommy. She allows visitors, but then cancels them on no notice and says, well,
00:03:58.320so what? They were going to talk about your visit to prison. That's not a thing. You know,
00:04:04.840the most petty example is to turn off GB News in the prison. That's a TV channel, the only TV channel
00:04:12.740Tommy likes. Imagine turning that off in the prison to punish Tommy. I understand it was a complaint
00:04:18.260from the prison email, just absolutely atrocious. Even cutting off Tommy's phone privileges to talk to
00:04:26.280his own son. That's Nicola Marfleet, just a gross, gross woman. But she basically has the power of
00:04:33.180life or death over Tommy. And that's the thing. I suppose you could do a few days in solitary
00:04:38.940confinement without falling apart. But Tommy has been in there for months. And this vicious prison
00:04:44.160governor shows no intention of changing that. So Tommy has top lawyers who are going before the Royal
00:04:49.320Courts of Justice and the High Court tomorrow to make the case that we need an emergency hearing
00:04:54.660about his treatment. They'll have as evidence a psychologist report, a psychologist who visited
00:04:59.980Tommy in prison. And his report will testify to how exactly what you would expect to happen
00:05:07.100is happening. No man is supposed to be in solitary for four or five, six months. If Marfleet gets her
00:05:13.740way, it'll be nine months. So I will be in London first thing tomorrow, make my way down to the strand.
00:05:19.280And I will live tweet from the court. You can follow me on Twitter at Ezra Levant.
00:05:25.720We'll compile all these at our website called TommyReports.com. Now I'm flying in and I'm flying
00:05:32.520right out. I'm not even staying overnight. I'm catching the six o'clock flight home. And the reason
00:05:36.800I do this, it's insane when you think about it. It's a seven hour flight there, an hour cab ride into
00:05:42.160the city, and then the same in reverse. So it's really 16 hours of travel for two hours in court. Why would I do
00:05:48.440that? Well, the reason is I don't trust any of the mainstream media in the UK to report on this
00:05:54.500honestly. Their way of dealing with Tommy is either ignoring him when he's doing something good
00:05:59.100or attacking him if they can. And I've sat in court with the regime journalists in the UK before,
00:06:06.340and I read their coverage. And I think, were we even in the same trial? They literally hate Tommy
00:06:11.340Robinson. And if they don't, they're instructed to by their bosses. It's really gross. So I feel that
00:06:17.500as a Canadian, as a kind of outsider, I'm not susceptible to any peer pressure or whatever it
00:06:22.560is that makes the media hate Tommy so much. So I feel like my reportage is an antidote to the lies
00:06:28.440of the UK regime media. If you feel the same way, please do me a favor and help chip in to get me
00:06:34.140over there. Like I say, I'm going as low cost as I can. I'm not even getting a hotel room. I'm just
00:06:39.800flying there doing the court reporting and flying home. But if you go to TommyReports.com, chip in a few
00:06:45.440dollars or a few quid, whatever you can, I'd really appreciate it. One more thing. I want to
00:06:50.780say a special thank you to Elon Musk. It's in the public domain now. But we used to do the
00:06:56.940crowdfunding for Tommy's lawyers. But earlier this year, Elon Musk took that over for two of his court
00:07:03.540cases. And it's just an absolutely phenomenal act of civic participation and generosity by Elon Musk,
00:07:11.580a real commitment to civil liberties and freedom of speech. And I'm just in awe of that man and what
00:07:17.360he's done for Tommy Robinson. And I would hope that Tommy's friends take that as encouragement,
00:07:21.720that although you feel alone in your own country sometimes, people around the world are rooting for
00:07:26.800you, rooting for Tommy and rooting for freedom of speech. And I'll do my best to capture that
00:07:31.160tomorrow. I'll be live tweeting from the court and I'll report a video, I'll report a video outside.
00:07:36.120Anyways, I better get going. We're bored fairly soon. To follow me, go to TommyReports.com. And if you
00:07:43.040can chip in a few quid to help me get over there and back, I'd appreciate it. Thanks very much.
00:07:47.200Oh, hi, everybody. I just landed at Heathrow Airport in London. I slept on the plane. I managed to find a
00:07:52.080shower here at the airport. So I'm slightly fresher. I'm fresh as a daisy, no problem, three hours of
00:07:57.800sleep. I'm now going to make my way to the Royal Courts of Justice. And at 1030 AM, Tommy Robinson will
00:08:05.800have his case heard before Justice Martin Chamberlain. I did a little bit of Googling and
00:08:11.800I liked what I saw. I saw that he said in an interview with the Times newspaper that he thinks
00:08:18.400the United Kingdom should have a more robust freedom of speech. He actually said he'd like something like
00:08:25.880the US First Amendment. Now, whether or not he puts that into practice for our friend Tommy,
00:08:30.300we'll find out later this morning. I'm going to live tweet the whole thing. You can follow me on
00:08:35.580Twitter. Simply my name, Ezra Levant. And if you get this message too late, the hearings are from
00:08:40.3001030 to 1230. You can follow what we post to TommyReports.com. TommyReports.com. And can you do me a favor
00:08:49.920and help cover the cost of my travel over here? Unlike the BBC reporters will be there today to
00:08:56.520stab Tommy in the back. I don't get government funding, so I have to pay for my own flight and
00:09:02.760cab fare. Obviously, it's about a thousand dollars Canadian or 500 pounds. If you could chip in,
00:09:06.880I'd really be grateful. I believe it's important that I'm there today because I don't trust the
00:09:11.880mainstream media to tell the truth. All right, I'm going to get going into the city now. Oh, hi,
00:09:16.760everybody. I am outside the beautiful Royal Courts of Justice in London. What a gorgeous
00:09:22.720building. I'll tilt the camera down so you can see it. There's a crowd of people outside. There's
00:09:28.220always something cooking here. I said hello to a couple of Tommy Robinson supporters. His case will
00:09:34.180be heard in about an hour's time. Justice Martin Chamberlain presiding. And Tommy will have a legal
00:09:44.480team led by the King's Council barrister named Alistair Williams, who's excellent. I've had a
00:09:52.380chance to talk to him a little bit over the course of the last few months. And more importantly, he
00:09:57.620gets along well with Tommy and was successful for Tommy in defeating the Metropolitan Police ban on
00:10:03.940Tommy even entering the city of London. What a bizarre punishment that was. I won't get into that
00:10:10.700now. But I think it goes to the fact that there is lawfare against Tommy Robinson being waged by the
00:10:17.540government. One of Tommy's books is called Enemy of the State. It's his autobiography. And it really
00:10:22.440is the truth. You know, we like to think that the United Kingdom, like Canada, like the United States
00:10:29.040is a liberal democracy with the rule of law, with a light touch. But as Lavrenti Beria, the Soviet secret
00:10:35.540police boss said, show me the man, I'll find you the crime. And it is possible even in a liberal
00:10:41.400democracy like the UK for the state to weaponize things and say, we'll find something to get him.
00:10:48.320And I think that's the approach they're taking with Tommy. It really is a disgrace to the tradition
00:10:54.920of the UK, which was the crucible of freedom of speech and really liberty and law. Anyways,
00:11:02.180I'm going to go in the court now, find my way to the courtroom, make sure I get in there with enough
00:11:07.420time to get a seat, find a plug for my computer, and I'm going to be live tweeting
00:11:12.600the proceedings, which I like to do. It'll be interesting to see what mainstream media attend.
00:11:20.460They typically come to Tommy's court cases, and they don't like me much because they take a very hostile
00:11:28.240point of view. I think most mainstream media journalists in the UK despise Tommy Robinson for
00:11:35.080political reasons, for reasons of class, for reasons of peer pressure. But more than just
00:11:41.860individual journalists, I don't think that there's any mainstream newspapers or broadcasters who would
00:11:49.880even allow a journalist to be neutral. I think the only exception would be there's a number of people
00:11:55.840at GB News who give them a fair hearing. But I mean, the BBC is atrocious. They're just character
00:12:02.960assassins. That's one of the reasons I believe it's important I come over here from Canada is I just
00:12:09.340don't trust the mainstream media in this country, GB News being an exception. Anyways, I'm going to go in
00:12:16.560now, follow along on my Twitter handle, which is simple. My name is Ezra Levant. And if you're seeing
00:12:22.780this video later, for example, if you live in North America, where it's still night or very, very early
00:12:28.700morning, you can catch up at our special website, TommyReports.com. And if you feel like chipping in a
00:12:35.740few dollars or pounds to help cover my travel to get here, I'd be grateful. I flew in overnight. I slept
00:12:41.900on the plane. I came here straight from the airport. And there's lots of friendly folks here, you know,
00:12:46.560saying hello, which is which is a lovely treat to be welcomed by Tommy supporters. And then I'm going
00:12:52.720home. I'm going home at the 6pm flight. So I'm not even on the ground for 12 hours. But that's the way
00:12:58.400to do it. So check out my reports at TommyReports.com. And I'm going to go in now. Cheers.
00:13:05.120I'm with Ezra Levant, who's the publisher of Rebel News, without whom we would not be here in court today
00:13:12.080for this hearing about Tommy Robinson's treatment in prison, solitary confinement,
00:13:17.760treatment in prison and whether it accords with justice, which I think we both agree it does not.
00:13:22.800Ezra, can you, Ezra has been in charge of really got the whole legal proceedings going
00:13:30.320for Tommy. I don't know what would have happened without Ezra, whether there would be any such
00:13:35.760defense or even challenging of the courts of the sentencing of Tommy without. And so in Britain,
00:13:44.480we're very grateful. Well, thank you for saying that. I don't want to contradict you,
00:13:47.920but I think you're overstating my role. I mean, I was I was involved, but I was not the essential
00:13:54.880mover. But thank you for your kind words. And so today, can you just say, why were we here? What were you
00:14:02.320trying to establish today? Sure. Well, Tommy is in an extreme situation where every day counts.
00:14:10.080However, the court system moves very slowly. To get a trial takes months, sometimes even years.
00:14:15.920So today's hearing was to see if the courts would agree to hear the substantive case of Tommy's prison
00:14:24.000treatment on an expedited or emergency basis. So this judge, after listening for several hours,
00:14:31.440said that tomorrow he will give a ruling on how quickly Tommy's challenge to his prison treatment
00:14:39.280will happen. If I had to guess, I think the judge will lean towards having it sooner rather than later.
00:14:47.680Remember, it's not the same as issuing a ruling on the substance of it. So Tommy will still have to
00:14:53.760prove the way he's being treated is illegal. But this judge will determine how quickly that happens.
00:15:00.160Right. And so we might have to wait another month to go by before that. Or indeed,
00:15:05.840the judge may not rule that, may say there's no case to be held or no judicial review to happen.
00:15:11.920I think Tommy has the right to a judicial review. I'm not an expert on British civil procedure,
00:15:17.600but I think he has the right to that review. Whether or not it happens quickly is what's at
00:15:22.240stake. And really, that's an easy call for a judge to make. What's the cost of it other than moving
00:15:29.200around some scheduling? The difficult job will be ruling on the substance. But what was interesting
00:15:36.800today is there's a little bit of drama, which is Tommy objected to something that the government's
00:15:43.520lawyer was saying. He did this by waving in the camera from the prison link. The judge noticed
00:15:49.360that and said, OK, looks like Tommy has something to say. Let's have a half hour break so Tommy can
00:15:55.280confer with his lawyer. So that happened. But in the middle of that phone call, the prison cut off the
00:16:02.640call, which is a shocking thing to do. But it sort of proves the point of everything that Tommy's lawyer
00:16:08.560was saying, which is the prison is abusive. It's whimsical. It's capricious. It's unreliable. It's
00:16:15.600untrustworthy. And the judge had this happen to him. So the judge angrily instructed the government
00:16:22.880lawyer to ensure that that Tommy had a chance to confer with his lawyer without interruption.
00:16:29.040So that took more than an hour. That's why the judge will not issue his ruling until tomorrow,
00:16:34.400because the capricious, unreliable, abusive governor of HMP Woodhill
00:16:44.240thought she'd mess around. But as the Brits would say, QED. Doesn't that prove everything?
00:16:49.280It was particularly ironic because this came at the moment that the government's council had been
00:16:55.680listing all Tommy's wonderful prisoners, like being allowed to be locked in the gym. Well, he didn't say
00:17:02.560locked in a gym for an hour a week or whatever it was. And he'd listed all these prisoners.
00:17:07.040But when it came to the fact of whether Tommy could even get the attention of a prison guard,
00:17:12.000as he sat in a small cell to say that the judge had said he could call his solicitor,
00:17:18.400he couldn't even get the attention of the guard. And then after that, as you say, when he got the call,
00:17:25.440the call was cut off. So it was amusing if you have a sort of satirical sense about it.
00:17:33.120There are a number of things that I myself knew were false. For example, visits. The prison
00:17:39.760governor, her name is Nicola Marfly, a very abusive woman, would grant someone a visit and then the
00:17:45.680last minute yank it away from Tommy like a taunt or a tease. And she's done this repeatedly. I know,
00:17:51.040because she's done it to me. She's cut off Tommy's phoning privileges, including his own son.
00:17:57.360So I think the judge is a bit of a sadistic woman. And I say that, I mean, I meant to say the
00:18:03.040guard, sorry, forgive me, I didn't mean to say the judge, excuse me, the prison governor. Yes.
00:18:09.120Sorry, I had no sleep last night. I got on the plane yesterday in Canada, had a few winks on the plane.
00:18:15.040And so forgive me, I'm a little, I missed, I messed up my words there. No, the prison warden,
00:18:20.240the prison governor. Yes. And whimsical, capricious, highly political. Yeah. In fact,
00:18:28.400in one letter to Tommy's solicitor, Nicola, Nicola Marfly said that it was because of Tommy's
00:18:35.280politics that he had to be segregated. She agreed this. Yeah. And let me say something,
00:18:39.840speaking as a foreigner. Yeah. Because sometimes you're so used to something that you no longer
00:18:45.760realize. Yeah, that's right. And if I may, it was accepted as normal by both the government lawyer
00:18:52.800and Tommy's lawyer and the judge and everyone in the room, the prisons are lawless, violent place
00:18:59.040run by the gangs. And this was just accepted as a reason why Tommy had to be segregated,
00:19:05.280because the prison was in no position to govern itself. But not in reverse. Nobody, no,
00:19:12.480it was said that he might radicalize other prisoners. In fact, we know radicalization was
00:19:18.000happening across British prisons the whole time. And you know, it was deeply ironic.
00:19:24.160In Canada, we call the boss of a prison. We call that typically a prison warden. Here you call it a
00:19:29.600governor. But that's sort of Orwellian because Nicola, Nicola Marfly is not governing. It's more
00:19:36.160like Agatha Christie. Do you remember the great Agatha Christie novel about the cruel wardens?
00:19:41.360The gangs are governing the prison. Oh, the gangs. Yeah. And, and I mean,
00:19:45.840that's obvious. Who is setting the policy at HMT Woodhill? The gangs. That's what's making the
00:19:52.000decision to put Tommy in segregation. Yes. Because they control the prison, not Nicola Marfly. It's
00:19:56.880stunning to me. And I don't know if you still see that. No. Because everyone in the courtroom
00:20:00.720seemed to find that normal. It's not normal. No. No, I certainly noticed the thing about the
00:20:05.760people who are at risk of being radicalized are not people Tommy might meet. The people are
00:20:10.880the poor buggers who Swift Justice happened to after the Southport riots. You know, there's one more
00:20:16.800thing I'll say and then I got to run. Tommy knew one other prisoner at Woodhill. Yeah, I noticed he said he
00:20:24.560was Muslim. No, somebody said he was Muslim. Well, Tommy's lawyer, Alistair Williamson,
00:20:30.960said it was a childhood friend of Tommy's who happened to be a Muslim man. Yeah. And Tommy
00:20:35.840wanted to meet with him for old time's sake. I mean, I can imagine a buddy he hasn't seen in 20 or 30
00:20:40.880years and the judge pervaded. And I just thought that was very interesting. Yes. First of all, it
00:20:46.880shatters some stereotypes about Tommy. It does indeed. And it shows the cruelty and sadistic nature of the
00:20:51.920prison government. The other very Orwellian feature of it I noticed was the point that he made to his
00:20:57.520council when we were adjourned that Tommy made is he doesn't know who he has to choose who the prisoner
00:21:03.840is that he wants to associate with. He doesn't know who the prisoners are. So how can he choose to apply
00:21:09.760to meet with somebody who he doesn't know exists or not? And this is another cruelty that was deeply
00:21:15.120Orwellian to me. The whole thing was very strange. Thank you so much. And we'll keep our fingers
00:21:21.680crossed. Right on. Nice to see you. Thanks, everybody. That was dramatic. What just happened?
00:21:27.920Then all morning, Tommy Robinson's lawyers and the government's lawyers have been sparring
00:21:33.760about his treatment in prison. And one of the things they're debating about is does he get privileges like
00:21:38.960phone privileges, visitors, and there was some dispute. So there was a moment there when Tommy
00:21:44.800who was joined by video link waved to get the attention of the court to signal that that the
00:21:50.560government lawyer wasn't accurately reporting the facts. So the judge said, okay, we're going to have
00:21:56.400a short break where Tommy can phone his lawyers to instruct them. Tommy wasn't going to give evidence
00:22:02.480directly, but he could say things to the lawyer. But in the middle of that phone call, the prison
00:22:08.800governor hung up the phone, canceled the call, and Tommy Robinson came back and wrote a piece of paper and
00:22:16.560held it up to the video link saying, I was cut off. And the judge said, is this true? And the judge,
00:22:23.440judge of Martin Chamberlain said to the government's lawyer, Mr. Cross, you call that prison governor,
00:22:30.720and you get that phone call going right now. And you tell the prison governor not to cut it off
00:22:37.200until Tommy and his lawyer are done talking. I mean, this, this judge is very even keeled.
00:22:43.360It's tough to read this judge. But when the prison governor cut off Tommy's call, I think that
00:22:50.080irritated the judge because it delayed things. And here's the reason I think that's an important
00:22:54.960moment, Dan. It sort of proved that the prison was taking liberties, that the prison was cutting
00:23:01.680corners, that when the prison says Tommy has certain privileges, well, maybe or maybe not.
00:23:07.760Of all the things said this morning, I mean, I think Alistair Williamson is the lawyer for Tommy.
00:23:13.440He's an excellent King's counsel. I love listening to him myself. But I think perhaps the most persuasive
00:23:19.200moment was for the judge to witness firsthand the whimsical, capricious, and perhaps even abusive
00:23:26.080nature of the prison. Amazing. Especially because up until that point, the KC for the Secretary of State
00:23:36.400had been saying, Tommy gets contact all the time. There are people in there all the time. He couldn't
00:23:42.480even get the attention of a prison guard during the trial. And that second note he held up actually
00:23:50.240made the point that all his calls are monitored and that they would have been monitoring that call
00:23:56.720with his lawyers in line. Very, very interesting. And I believe that. Other things that the Secretary
00:24:03.360of State, that's the government's lawyer, was saying, I know from personal experience they're not true.
00:24:08.080I know you visited Tommy and I visited Tommy once, but my subsequent visits, one of them was approved
00:24:14.640and then at the last minute was cut off by the prison. So is that what the Secretary of State,
00:24:19.680what the government means by Tommy has visiting privileges? For a while there, Tommy's own son
00:24:25.520was cut off from phone privileges. There's a lot of liberties being taken and there's a certain
00:24:31.520cruelty there. And listen, Tommy's been in solitary for about 150 days. It's not meant to be that way,
00:24:39.360Dan. And listen, I'm not saying Tommy is going to win. It feels like it's on a knife's edge here.
00:24:44.240Yeah, it does. And we've got about an hour right now, but I think Tommy's got a shot.
00:24:48.960And remember what's being decided today, not the substance of Tommy's complaint,
00:24:52.800but the scheduling question is, has Tommy proved to the judge that things are urgent enough and
00:25:00.160emergency enough to have a speedy hearing? So today is not the final disposition of should
00:25:07.120Tommy be in solitary. Today is a judge saying, is this something we should fast track because it's
00:25:12.560really urgent? And I think the strongest piece of evidence that Tommy's lawyer, Alistair Williamson,
00:25:18.560presented was a detailed psychological evaluation by a medical, mental health professional sent in
00:25:26.720to examine Tommy and talking about his PTSD, his ADHD, how some of it is from his last
00:25:34.800stay in solitary confinement, how that is affecting Tommy's mindset. I won't try and repeat exactly what
00:25:41.520the doctor said, but it was pretty persuasive. And by the way, the government didn't dispute any of
00:25:47.840that psychologist's findings. So you know what, if I had to guess, it's foolish for me to guess,
00:25:53.200because we're going to find out the result in about an hour. But I think this judge is going to say,
00:25:57.840you know what, let's have that hearing sooner rather than later. He's not going to make a final
00:26:02.480disposition about what happens in the hearing. But I bet he goes for a quick hearing. One last
00:26:07.040detail. I've tried to Google a little bit about this judge. I hadn't heard of him before today.
00:26:11.280His name is Martin Chamberlain, senior guy, obviously pretty smart guy from Edinburgh originally,
00:26:16.400if I'm not mistaken. He gave an interview with the Times of London a few years back,
00:26:20.880sort of up and coming lawyer. They wanted to ask him a question. They said,
00:26:23.840if you could pass one law, what would it be? And you know what he said? He said,
00:26:28.160we should have stronger freedom of speech in the UK. We should have a US-style First Amendment.
00:26:33.520Wow. Not usual, by the way, for the judiciary here in the UK.
00:26:38.240And so some of that has to do with Tommy's case, doesn't it? And if I'm not mistaken,
00:26:43.440he also weighed in in favor of the, what's that called? Existence Rebellion or what's that group
00:26:50.000called again? That's right. So they're sort of eco-extremists and you and I might not agree with
00:26:55.520them. But if this judge is strengthening their right to protest, again, if he's being a principled
00:27:02.160precedent follower, if he applies that matrix to Tommy, well, maybe he's more sympathetic.
00:27:07.920If he's a free speecher and a political protest supporter, maybe he's more sympathetic to Tommy.
00:27:13.600I don't know. You don't want to read too much into it because he is guided by the facts and the law.
00:27:18.000But the things I could divine about him just by a quick Google, I thought, this isn't a bad judge.
00:27:22.800It's Ezra Levant here. We have a break in the court. And I'll tell you a little bit about it.
00:27:28.480So I'm giving you an update. Of course, I'm standing outside the gorgeous Royal Courts of Justice
00:27:34.720in a neighborhood of the UK called The Strand. It's so beautiful here. I wish I could stay longer.
00:27:40.480I arrived at 6.30 a.m. It took me actually a couple hours to find my way into the city.
00:27:46.640And I've got to fly out at 6 p.m. So really, as soon as I'm done here, I'm heading out.
00:27:51.440But I'm glad I came in. Here's why. So what was today? Today was a sort of a scheduling hearing.
00:27:59.120It was a case management hearing, as we call it in Canada, where Tommy Robinson's lawyers were trying
00:28:05.520to convince a judge to hear a challenge to Tommy's imprisonment status, to hear it on an expedited
00:28:13.040basis. What I mean by that is justice moves slowly. It takes months to get court dates. But that doesn't
00:28:20.480work if someone's in solitary confinement where every day counts. So today is a special hearing
00:28:26.720to convince a judge, his name is Justice Martin Chamberlain, that Tommy has a sufficiently important
00:28:33.200case that's sufficiently urgent that the actual substantive hearing should be done on a speedy
00:28:41.120basis. So today isn't the resolution of the actual question, should Tommy be taken out of solitary
00:28:48.240confinement? Today is a resolution of a preliminary question. Is that a sufficiently urgent matter for
00:28:55.920the court to move faster than it normally does? Now, the fact that they scheduled today's hearing
00:29:03.920fairly quickly in itself is a good sign. I did a little bit of Googling on Justice Martin Chamberlain,
00:29:11.920and he once told the Times of London that he thinks the UK should have US-style freedom of speech,
00:29:19.840like the First Amendment. That would be amazing. I wish Canada had that too. So any judge who says that,
00:29:25.280well, I'm feeling good about them. And there's a UK eco-extremist group called Extinction Rebellion.
00:29:35.600They're awful. Not only do they block highways, they deface priceless art. They're the worst people
00:29:41.440in the world. But this judge, in a ruling, you know, I'm going from memory here, so my details might
00:29:47.840not be perfect, defended the right of Extinction Rebellion to have some of their protests. And again,
00:29:54.000I despise Extinction Rebellion, but the fact that this judge is fighting for their freedom to protest,
00:29:59.280again, perhaps that redounds to Tommy's benefit in this hearing. So Tommy's King's Council, that's a
00:30:06.720senior barrister. Alistair Williamson was on his feet, basically going through the facts
00:30:13.600of Tommy's incarceration. And the main piece of evidence he was referring to was a medical report
00:30:23.200by, I'm not sure if it was a psychologist or a psychiatrist, forgive me, who met with Tommy in
00:30:29.680prison and spent some time diagnosing him, talking to him, asking him questions about a number of
00:30:36.480things, and then wrote a scientific medical report on Tommy's PTSD and ADHD, post-traumatic stress disorder
00:30:45.440and attention deficit disorder, both of which were exacerbated by his last day in solitary confinement,
00:30:55.120which have sort of flourished again in this state. So it's a very acute warning of Tommy's mental health.
00:31:02.080On his feet in reply, the KC for the government, the Secretary of State is the particular office,
00:31:08.400but it was just a King's Council lawyer, argued that, oh, it's not really solitary confinement because
00:31:15.280Tommy has the occasional visitor, and he has the occasional phone call, and he's allowed to do
00:31:20.800arts and crafts or something, they said. He was basically saying, tough luck. There was one
00:31:28.720instance where Tommy was offered drugs by the health officers at the prison. Oh, you're having
00:31:36.560a tough time in solitary for nine months? We can get you on drugs. But could you imagine that? Anyways,
00:31:42.640it went back and forth. And I should say that Tommy Robinson was joining not in person,
00:31:48.080but by a video link. So Tommy was in the prison, we could all see him, he could see us, and he could
00:31:53.680hear the proceedings. And he was listening to Mr. Cross, that's the government's lawyer,
00:31:59.600talk about how wonderful Tommy has, and he has this many visits, and this many phone calls, and it's
00:32:05.920and it's just a luxury vacation compared, it's better even than other prisoners have, was at one point
00:32:11.440a contention by the government. And Tommy started waving his arm madly, and the judge took notice
00:32:18.000of that, and the judge, being no dummy, said, oh, he clearly objects to that. And the judge said,
00:32:24.480well, maybe we should take a break and let Tommy have a phone call with his lawyer. Tommy's not going
00:32:31.360to come and give evidence, but maybe Tommy can give some information to his lawyer, who would then
00:32:36.880perhaps rebut or refuse Mr. Cross. So the court went on a half hour break while the lawyers talked to
00:32:44.080Tommy on the phone. But then Tommy came back to the room, to his video link, and he held up a sign
00:32:50.880saying they cut off my phone. And indeed that was confirmed by Alistair Williams and Tommy's lawyer.
00:32:57.120So the judge was not happy with this at all. The judge inquired and said, are you serious?
00:33:03.200The prison cut off the phone call between Tommy and his lawyer when I instructed the lawyer to talk to
00:33:11.440Tommy? In effect, the prison cut off the call to the judge, didn't they? The judge was not on the call,
00:33:18.000but the judge instructed Tommy and Tommy's lawyer to brief themselves so that the jury could proceed.
00:33:25.440The prison scotched that. The prison scuppered that. The judge was not pleased. The judge said
00:33:32.960to the government's lawyer, Mr. Cross, you get on the phone and you tell the prison that they must
00:33:39.440reconnect Tommy. And then after some back and forth, they realized that having a video link
00:33:45.840that would just save time. Tommy would speak directly through the video link and everyone
00:33:49.920else would clear the court. So in fact, that's why I'm on the street right now. But understand what
00:33:54.080happened. For the whole morning, Tommy's lawyer was saying how oppressive the treatment in the prison
00:34:00.720was. And for the whole morning, the government's lawyer was saying, no, it's wonderful. Tommy has so many
00:34:06.080privileges. And then as if to prove the whole point, the prison cut off Tommy mid phone call
00:34:15.200to his own lawyers, not even just a family or a friend, but to his own lawyers, he was instructing.
00:34:21.040This judge is not an emotionally expressive judge. He would probably be called stone faced,
00:34:28.240but you could hear his anger. And the instructions he gave Mr. Cross, the government's lawyer,
00:34:33.600were quite stern. And I would say that the lesson the judge learned firsthand about the truth telling
00:34:40.960and reliability of this prison, while he learned more from that phone call being cut off than from
00:34:47.440anything the lawyers said all day. It is my view, based on my firsthand experience with the prison,
00:34:54.960then they gave me one visit with Tommy and then they canceled the next one on very short notice.
00:35:00.800It is my view that the prison warden or governor, as they're called over here, Nicola Marfleet,
00:35:07.520is a sadistic woman. She's obviously a DEI hire. In the UK, the prisons are out of control. That's
00:35:16.400what's so fascinating is that everyone on both the government side and Tommy's side assume that it's
00:35:23.280normal that prisons are extremely dangerous and that you get killed or injured in prison because
00:35:29.600of the gangs. That's just accepted as normal. In other words, Nicola Marfleet, the sadistic governor
00:35:35.200of Woodhill Prison, she's not in control of the prison. The gangs are. And her lawyer more or less said
00:35:42.560that. That's why they're putting Tommy in solitary confinement, because the prison doesn't control
00:35:48.640anything. Tommy would be killed in moments by the gangs, the largest of which, of course,
00:35:55.040is the Muslim gang. Of course, they don't like Tommy because he's a critic of Islam.
00:36:00.480So it was sort of fascinating to me that everyone involved, the judge, both lawyers, just everyone
00:36:07.120accepts that the UK prisons are literally out of control and no one manages them. So it's quite
00:36:13.360something that Nicola Marfleet, the sadistic governor who rules over this failed state of a prison.
00:36:20.800I think the judge got a measure of what she's like. Anyways, I'm on the break right now where
00:36:26.000Tommy is speaking to his lawyer. I'm going to make my way back in the court. There are, I think,
00:36:31.680about four or five mainstream media journalists there. I have not seen their coverage, but I think we can
00:36:37.440surmise it's going to be the same as it ever was, which is they hate Tommy. They're going to spin
00:36:44.240things as hard as they can. I'm sure if you read my tweets and compare them to the Guardian or the BBC
00:36:50.720or whoever else was there today, you'll think we attended two different hearings all together.
00:36:55.440Anyways, I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic because, again, today's ruling, which we're expecting to get
00:37:01.040in about an hour, will not be on the substance of is Tommy being abused, but it'll be on the procedural
00:37:07.680question, is there enough here to warrant a speedy trial? And, you know, maybe I'm a fool to be
00:37:13.440optimistic, but I think the judgment just agreed to that. Anyways, it's such a lovely day. I hate the fact
00:37:19.200I have to head on home, but there's a lot of important work I have to do back in Canada, but I'm glad
00:37:24.240I'm here. And I had the pleasure of bumping into Dan Wooten, another independent journalist who actually
00:37:30.000used to be very senior at various newspapers and other places in town. He was here. So Tommy does
00:37:35.600have some friends, that's for sure. The highlight for me was when we were all leaving the courtroom
00:37:41.600so Tommy could use the video link to speak privately with his lawyers. And I walked up to the camera for
00:37:47.120the video link and I waved and Tommy saw him and he waved back and he wrote a note to me. And it was
00:37:52.800sort of wonderful, actually, because I hadn't been able to visit the lad because of the sadistic
00:37:58.160governor, Nicola Marfly. So anyways, that's my update. I'm going to go back in there now
00:38:03.040and I will try and have one more update with the important news of how this is resolved. So
00:38:07.920thanks for listening. Oh, by the way, if you want to see my tweets, it's just on Ezra Levent. That's
00:38:11.920my Twitter handle. And I'm going to post certain things at TommyReports.com. Thanks.
00:38:16.320Well, hi, everybody. It's my final installment on the day. As you can see, I'm in a vehicle
00:38:21.280leaving central London on my way to the airport. I just don't have time to record something outside
00:38:27.040the court because I don't want to miss my flight in London. Traffic can be extremely slow. Anyways,
00:38:33.600when I last gave an update, we were on an hour break while the judge had Tommy's lawyer and Tommy
00:38:42.320connect via video link because Tommy had objected to some of the representations made by the government's
00:38:49.360lawyer. Now, Tommy and Tommy's lawyer were supposed to have done that earlier by phone
00:38:54.800when shockingly, the prison just cut off their phone call mid call. And what's so astonishing
00:39:02.160about that is that's the very point that Tommy's lawyers were trying to make at that moment to the
00:39:07.280judge that Tommy was not being treated with the regular privileges of even a criminal prisoner,
00:39:13.760let alone a civil prisoner. So the judge himself tasted firsthand the capricious and abusive,
00:39:21.440if I may, misconduct of the prison. It certainly was a terrible look for the government lawyers.
00:39:28.080And the judge, whilst never out of control of his emotions, he's a very sober minded judge.
00:39:34.080You could tell that he was quite angry with what had happened. So that delayed everything by a
00:39:39.840significant amount of time. Tommy's lawyer once briefed, mentioned some points to the judge who
00:39:47.680listened to him. But it was not very much more time in court. The judge announced he was instead of
00:39:54.240issuing his ruling today, as he had originally planned to do, he's going to do that tomorrow.
00:39:58.880And I just can't stick around in London another day, I'm afraid. But the judge said he's going to
00:40:04.240release the ruling tomorrow by email. So it's not like there would be a court to go to anyways.
00:40:10.000And I talked to Alistair Williamson, Tommy's barrister, and asked him if he could send me
00:40:15.520the results as soon as he got them. So in conclusion, it was a very interesting hearing.
00:40:21.760I'm optimistic. I think Tommy had a fairly solid case to begin with.
00:40:27.360I think that it's fairly easy for a judge to say, yeah, we'll have an expedited hearing,
00:40:32.640because that's not taking a position on the merits of the case. It's just saying,
00:40:36.560if we're going to talk about this, we may as well do it while Tommy's still in prison. Otherwise,
00:40:39.680it's moot. And I think the way that the prison cut off Tommy's phone call, I think it lent credence
00:40:46.720to Tommy's lawyer's claims that he had not, in fact, been given the privileges that a prisoner
00:40:52.080expects. Anyways, I'm getting a little bit technical, but it was actually a very exciting moment.
00:40:56.640And I just want to tell you that there was that moment when I went up to the video link and waved to
00:41:03.360Tommy and he saw him and he waved back and he scribbled a note on a card and held it up that said,
00:41:07.920thanks, because we've been helping with the various things. So it was actually the first
00:41:11.120time I've seen Tommy in a few months because the prison has banned me from visiting. Anyways,
00:41:16.960it's a three-minute update. There's not too much to report, but I just wanted to close the day.
00:41:21.920In summary, tomorrow we will learn if Tommy Robinson does indeed get an expedited hearing
00:41:28.160to change his prison treatment. I hope so. And I hope this marks the end of his
00:41:34.960segregation, which is really taxing him physically and mentally. And yeah, that's my report. I'm
00:41:41.600literally on the way to the airport. I just wanted to leave right away because I didn't want to risk
00:41:45.760missing the flight. If you can help me cover the cost of that flight, I'd be so grateful. I'm
00:41:50.160not even staying in a hotel. I'm just going straight home. But between the flight and the taxis,
00:41:56.400it's almost a thousand bucks Canadian, about 500 pounds, British sterling. If you can help me out,
00:42:01.600go to tommyreports.com. And I probably did 200 tweets today. If you want the blow-by-blow,
00:42:08.080you can find that on my X account. Well, that's it from here. And I'll keep you posted tomorrow.
00:42:14.560I'll send out an email tomorrow when I hear from the judge. All right, goodbye.
00:42:17.760You know, I saw the most astonishing thing in a tweet by Donald Trump the other day.
00:42:33.920Hunter Biden had a full Secret Service entourage. No, I'm not talking about Joe Biden. I'm talking
00:42:40.720about Hunter Biden, his terrible, awful, atrocious son. And he had a rotating, like there was so many
00:42:49.200people needed to rotate eight-hour shifts. And he traveled. He was in South Africa traveling with
00:42:54.960like 20, an entourage of like 24 Secret Service staff. And by the way, Anthony Fauci had the same
00:43:03.360thing. And Trump tweeted in both cases, let them pay their own security. And, and it was sort of,
00:43:10.080yeah, why is Anthony Fauci getting millions and millions of dollars worth of security?
00:43:15.760And, and I think about the Canadian context that I saw a photo that Justin Trudeau put on Instagram
00:43:22.400of him looking very, you know, I don't, I don't even know what the look was, but it was his first
00:43:27.360post-prime ministerial photo. And I'm not saying we should remove his security. I, I don't think we
00:43:34.800should actually. But my God, is he ever backing up the, uh, the truck and just shoveling in dough
00:43:44.400on the way out? What I'm referring to in his case is not Secret Service. I think he should be protected.
00:43:50.000I mean, I dislike the guy, but I don't want harm to come to him. And there is obviously a risk.
00:43:54.640But oh my God, the money he's putting in his jeans on the way out the door. And who better to tell us
00:43:59.040about his not one, but his two pensions. He's the tender age of 53, but he's got two pensions for
00:44:07.040life. Joining us now to talk about it is my friend Franco Teresano from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.
00:44:12.640Franco, uh, we don't begrudge someone a, uh, a pension, but the short amount of time he's worked
00:44:20.720and the astonishing numbers here and not one, but two pensions. It just shows the divide between how
00:44:27.280politicians take care of themselves and, and versus the rest of us, the numbers here, I'll let you say
00:44:32.480them, but I've been reading your press release on it. They're insane. Like, like they're almost eight
00:44:38.720figures. If you take my meeting, go ahead. Oh, it's nuts, right? Two taxpayer funded pensions
00:44:45.200for life totaling. Yes. Two totaling $8.4 million. Two taxpayer funded pensions. Okay.
00:44:53.920So a prime minister. Now I know Ezra, you and most of your listeners know that members of parliament
00:44:58.720get these sweet, sweet fat taxpayer funded pensions. Well, prime ministers get a second
00:45:05.120pension in addition to that. Okay. So, uh, Trudeau's MP pension, which he can start collecting at the age
00:45:11.760of 55, uh, for his lifetime will total about 6.5 million bucks. And then he also gets a prime
00:45:19.680minister's pension on top of that. So that's an additional payment that he can start getting at
00:45:24.400the age of 67. And that pension for his lifetime will total about $1.9 million. So you add up the
00:45:31.920six and a half million bucks for his MP pension and the $1.9 million for his prime minister's pension.
00:45:38.960And you're looking at a lifetime pension for Trudeau of 8.4 million smackers. And that is gross.
00:45:47.200Yeah. And I mean, he's not done yet earning money, by the way, wouldn't surprise me if he got some job
00:45:53.440with an NGO that was also fed by tax dollars. Like, I don't think he's going to run for office
00:45:59.360anywhere, but I would bet my bottom dollar that he will find some post PM perch that is funded by
00:46:07.760taxpayers somehow or another. Um, and by the way, all MPs, including the cabinet, they just ratchet,
00:46:16.160ratchet, ratchet up their pay automatically on April fool's day. Don't they? I just can't believe
00:46:20.880they chose April fool's day. Like that's too spot on the nose. If that were in a movie,
00:46:26.320the director would say, no, no, no. The studio would say too obvious. No, no one would believe it.
00:46:31.600Literally April, every year on April fool's day, these guys give themselves an automatic raise.
00:46:35.840It must be nice. Yeah. Well, welcome to Ottawa. Hey, where taxpayers are both the punching bag
00:46:41.280and the punchline, right? So every April one, while they're hiking your carbon taxes,
00:46:46.720hiking your alcohol taxes, they're also stuffing their pockets with higher pay. And it looks like
00:46:52.160this April one is no difference. Okay. So the raise this year will range anywhere between an
00:46:57.760extra 7,600 bucks to an extra $13,400. Now, after this raise, a backbench member of parliament,
00:47:06.640along with collecting dust in the house of commons, we'll be collecting an annual salary of about
00:47:11.760210,000 bucks. A minister salary will be about 310,000 bucks. Now I have no idea why a minister
00:47:21.120of finance who's running a $62 billion deficit would be getting a raise, but Hey, it's Ottawa and the
00:47:27.920prime minister's salary will jump up to about 420,000 grand or about six times more than what
00:47:36.960the average Canadian worker makes. And Ezra, let me just add one more thing. This will be their sixth,
00:47:44.320sixth pay raise since the beginning of 2020 pandemic for you, lockdowns for you, tax hikes for you,
00:47:50.880inflation for you, cost of living crisis for you. And this is their sixth pay raise all taken from
00:47:57.600your pocket. Give me those stats again for his food budget. Because if I recall, Stephen Hopper
00:48:03.600actually paid for his own food at 24 Sussex drive. I'm going from memory now. There was,
00:48:09.120what's the number for, for Justin Trudeau for his food? Was there some news about him,
00:48:14.400like a 90 grand a year thing? What was the stats on that? It was almost. Yeah. So in one year,
00:48:19.200it was about 80 grand is what the cost of Trudeau's grocery bill was to taxpayers. So
00:48:25.280you're talking tens of thousands of dollars. I mean, essentially, not essentially, the cost of
00:48:30.080Trudeau's household grocery bills in one year is more than what the average worker makes in an entire
00:48:36.160year. Right. So, I mean, this is crazy because I presume his, uh, ex isn't there anymore. So it's him.
00:48:43.840And I think he's got a, he got two or three kids. I can't remember, but a lot of his meals are out
00:48:50.000and about on the go. I don't even know how you spend that much. Like he doesn't have a large family.
00:48:55.520Am I wrong? Well, no, you're right. How do you spend that much? But you know, it starts to make
00:49:01.200sense. Well, it doesn't make sense, but it starts to add up the story here. When you look at other ways
00:49:06.480that the government spends your money, right? Like remember the infamous trip of governor general,
00:49:11.600Mary Simon, when they took a week long trip to Dubai and it costs a hundred grand for their
00:49:20.080airplane food or Trudeau's week long trip or six day trip to the Indo Pacific back in 2023,
00:49:28.000$220,000 on airplane food. I was on the plane yesterday. I went to Manitoba
00:49:34.560to cover a church fire and I was sitting in the back and the, the, you can order a meal.
00:49:39.840And I don't know if you know, Franco, you can order a first class meal from the back of the plane.
00:49:44.640And they had this whole chicken dish for 20 bucks and that's their first class product.
00:49:50.000You can order in the back for 20 bucks. I don't know how you spend 110,000 on airplane food.
00:49:55.280When air, I'm not saying Eric Cannon is going to win some awards for their food, but it's not bad.
00:49:59.120How do you go from 20 bucks a meal to a hundred thousand plus for a single trip? Like I just,
00:50:07.280I don't know. Like if you asked me to dream up a way, all I could come to is, well, maybe that
00:50:12.800extremely expensive bottles of wine, but even that doesn't add it up. I don't know. They're living
00:50:17.360in their own world. They're in their own world. And then they try to hide the costs from you.
00:50:22.560Right. So remember the governor general's trip, Heather, they were in the house of
00:50:26.160commons at a parliamentary committee and they were saying, oh, we had eggs. We had omelets.
00:50:30.720It wasn't that extravagant. It was normal airplane food. Here's the problem. We had the receipts.
00:50:36.720We went through everything they're eating. They're having stuff like beef Wellington with reju.
00:50:41.520Like Ezra, I don't know about you, but you can't get beef Wellington flavor,
00:50:45.520flavor trips on an air Canada flight, let alone beef Wellington.
00:50:49.360Yeah. That's more like first class on, on some of those like Emirates or Qatar flights. But even
00:50:54.720there, they, I know it's not a hundred thousand bucks for a flight because those airlines are not
00:50:59.520that stupid. They'd be in business. I just, I'll stop talking about airlines. I do fly a lot. So I,
00:51:04.080I just don't know how you like, even a private jet. I just, and I'll stop talking about a good,
00:51:09.600I just am baffled, but there's a commonality between the raises,
00:51:14.800the pensions, the food budget at 24 Sussex, the insane airplane catering. I'm sorry I got stuck
00:51:21.040on that. I just, I'm thinking how, but the common thread is there's this sort of condescension of
00:51:29.760we're entitled to this and don't even question. I don't know if you saw, there was this interesting
00:51:34.080exchange between Mark Carney and of all people, Rosemary Barton of the CBC, who I don't think
00:51:39.040has ever asked a tough question of the government in her life. And he,
00:51:42.800she asked about some financial disclosure and he said to her, he basically said, how dare you?
00:51:48.960Here's a, here's a clip of that. Look within yourself. Here, take a look. The rules say that
00:51:54.960those assets should be publicly disclosed within 120 days, which means you'll campaign
00:52:00.240in a coming federal election, most likely within the next 120 days and are serving as prime minister
00:52:05.120now with Canadians not being aware of what potential conflicts of interest. What possible conflict
00:52:10.800of interest in your assets? Look inside yourself, Rosemary. I mean, you start from a, you start from a,
00:52:22.800a prior of conflict and ill will. I have served in the private sector. I have stood up for Canada.
00:52:36.800I have left my roles in the private sector. At a time of crisis for our country. I'm complying with all the rules.
00:52:54.800Your line of questioning is trying to invent new rules. I'm complying with the rules, uh, that, uh, that parliament has laid out and the responsibilities of the ethics commissioner.
00:53:08.800Um, and I will continue to comply with those rules. So the first question was from Stephanie Levitz,
00:53:16.800uh, who I think is with a star now. And the second was from Rosemary Barton. They weren't gotcha questions.
00:53:20.800They would just have you disclose what, you know, what are the conflicts? And he said, what possible conflicts could there be?
00:53:28.800Why are you implying ill will? Conflicts don't require ill will. If he owns a stake in a green energy company,
00:53:35.800then he shouldn't be in discussions or votes about green energy. That's not ill will. That's just the definition of a conflict.
00:53:42.800I mean, we know he has a position on China. We know he has a position on he's against carbon. It's not ill will.
00:53:49.800It's just, he's hiding what he has and look at him lashing out there. Am I overreacting Franco?
00:53:55.800You know what? I get the impression of watching that. Hey, how dare the masses question me? How dare they question me?
00:54:03.800And you know, this all brings me back to like what we've seen over the last, you know, number of years within the government here,
00:54:11.800whether it's the raises, whether it's these massive pensions, right? Whether it's these expenses, whether it's all the crazy taxes, regulations, all of it,
00:54:21.800all like this ruling class elite mentality here in Ottawa has to change, right? I truly believe Canadians are so fed up with this,
00:54:31.800that we actually have to see a party leader come out and break ranks with all these other parties, right?
00:54:37.800Actually stick up for the working people who have a right to question their leadership and who are sick and tired of paying the bills for all of this extravagance.
00:54:45.800And you know, the tone there, I have come back to heal the country and you dare to question me.
00:54:51.800Yeah, the reporters, they're going to question you every day, just heads up.
00:54:54.800Maybe he wasn't used to that at the World Economic Forum where he served on the board.
00:54:57.800Boy, I tell you, we're in for a bumpy ride.
00:55:00.800Hey, I just heard you've got a new book and I see that it's coming out on Amazon on April 10th.
00:55:06.800So that's a couple of weeks away from now, but I can still see a picture of the cover of it.
00:55:11.800It's called Axing the Tax, The Rise and Fall of Canada's Carbon Tax by Franco Teresano.
00:56:58.800I go downtown and I live tweet the emergency hearing of Tommy Robinson, who is in the high court, to try and get out of solitary confinement, where it's an emergency hearing.