Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ SHOCKING： U.K. Judge Tears Apart Gov't Lawyers During Tommy Robinson Hearing

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I'm recording this little intro in Toronto, but by the time you hear it,

00:00:04.460 I will be in London, England, where I will be live tweeting Tommy Robinson's court case. He's

00:00:10.900 applying to a judge to get him out of solitary confinement, where he has been rotting for four

00:00:16.000 or five months now. You're not supposed to be in solitary for more than a few days. It's a kind of

00:00:20.100 torture. He's going to serve nine months if we don't win in court. So that's what I'll be doing

00:00:25.080 today. That will be the bulk of the show today. I'm speaking prospectively because I'm not yet

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00:01:55.400 Tonight, I'm in London for Tommy Robinson's hearing. It's March 20th and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:02:18.100 You're fighting for freedom. Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:02:32.860 Hi everybody, Ezra LeVant here at the Toronto International Airport. I'm about to fly

00:02:37.000 to London, England, and the good news is my flight's right on time. I'll arrive very early tomorrow

00:02:44.080 morning and I'll go straight to the Royal Courts of Justice in the Strand. Tomorrow morning is a

00:02:49.920 special two-hour emergency hearing by Tommy's lawyers. Tommy Robinson is in court tomorrow. He

00:02:57.080 himself will likely not be there. He might appear by video link. But the purpose of the hearing,

00:03:02.780 it's a kind of case management hearing. Tommy Robinson's lawyers have filed pleadings in the court

00:03:09.020 saying that his treatment at His Majesty's Prison, Woodhill, is tantamount to torture and therefore

00:03:15.560 illegal. You might recall that late last year, Tommy Robinson was sentenced to prison, the maximum term

00:03:21.060 for contempt of court for publishing a video to Twitter. It was a shocking sentence, the most allowed

00:03:27.700 under law, 18 months of which he'll serve nine months. That's atrocious to begin with, but they put

00:03:33.180 him in segregation, in solitary confinement, where he remains in his cell for 21 hours a day.

00:03:39.840 He's only allowed out to shower, to exercise, and very occasionally to visit guests. But the prison

00:03:45.420 governor is such a sadist. I don't understand how cruel she can be. She really is a sociopath. 0.99

00:03:51.660 She plays games with Tommy. She allows visitors, but then cancels them on no notice and says, well, 0.96

00:03:58.320 so what? They were going to talk about your visit to prison. That's not a thing. You know,

00:04:04.840 the most petty example is to turn off GB News in the prison. That's a TV channel, the only TV channel

00:04:12.740 Tommy likes. Imagine turning that off in the prison to punish Tommy. I understand it was a complaint

00:04:18.260 from the prison email, just absolutely atrocious. Even cutting off Tommy's phone privileges to talk to

00:04:26.280 his own son. That's Nicola Marfleet, just a gross, gross woman. But she basically has the power of 1.00

00:04:33.180 life or death over Tommy. And that's the thing. I suppose you could do a few days in solitary

00:04:38.940 confinement without falling apart. But Tommy has been in there for months. And this vicious prison

00:04:44.160 governor shows no intention of changing that. So Tommy has top lawyers who are going before the Royal

00:04:49.320 Courts of Justice and the High Court tomorrow to make the case that we need an emergency hearing

00:04:54.660 about his treatment. They'll have as evidence a psychologist report, a psychologist who visited

00:04:59.980 Tommy in prison. And his report will testify to how exactly what you would expect to happen

00:05:07.100 is happening. No man is supposed to be in solitary for four or five, six months. If Marfleet gets her

00:05:13.740 way, it'll be nine months. So I will be in London first thing tomorrow, make my way down to the strand.

00:05:19.280 And I will live tweet from the court. You can follow me on Twitter at Ezra Levant.

00:05:25.720 We'll compile all these at our website called TommyReports.com. Now I'm flying in and I'm flying

00:05:32.520 right out. I'm not even staying overnight. I'm catching the six o'clock flight home. And the reason

00:05:36.800 I do this, it's insane when you think about it. It's a seven hour flight there, an hour cab ride into

00:05:42.160 the city, and then the same in reverse. So it's really 16 hours of travel for two hours in court. Why would I do

00:05:48.440 that? Well, the reason is I don't trust any of the mainstream media in the UK to report on this

00:05:54.500 honestly. Their way of dealing with Tommy is either ignoring him when he's doing something good

00:05:59.100 or attacking him if they can. And I've sat in court with the regime journalists in the UK before, 0.71

00:06:06.340 and I read their coverage. And I think, were we even in the same trial? They literally hate Tommy

00:06:11.340 Robinson. And if they don't, they're instructed to by their bosses. It's really gross. So I feel that

00:06:17.500 as a Canadian, as a kind of outsider, I'm not susceptible to any peer pressure or whatever it

00:06:22.560 is that makes the media hate Tommy so much. So I feel like my reportage is an antidote to the lies

00:06:28.440 of the UK regime media. If you feel the same way, please do me a favor and help chip in to get me

00:06:34.140 over there. Like I say, I'm going as low cost as I can. I'm not even getting a hotel room. I'm just

00:06:39.800 flying there doing the court reporting and flying home. But if you go to TommyReports.com, chip in a few

00:06:45.440 dollars or a few quid, whatever you can, I'd really appreciate it. One more thing. I want to

00:06:50.780 say a special thank you to Elon Musk. It's in the public domain now. But we used to do the

00:06:56.940 crowdfunding for Tommy's lawyers. But earlier this year, Elon Musk took that over for two of his court

00:07:03.540 cases. And it's just an absolutely phenomenal act of civic participation and generosity by Elon Musk,

00:07:11.580 a real commitment to civil liberties and freedom of speech. And I'm just in awe of that man and what

00:07:17.360 he's done for Tommy Robinson. And I would hope that Tommy's friends take that as encouragement,

00:07:21.720 that although you feel alone in your own country sometimes, people around the world are rooting for

00:07:26.800 you, rooting for Tommy and rooting for freedom of speech. And I'll do my best to capture that

00:07:31.160 tomorrow. I'll be live tweeting from the court and I'll report a video, I'll report a video outside.

00:07:36.120 Anyways, I better get going. We're bored fairly soon. To follow me, go to TommyReports.com. And if you

00:07:43.040 can chip in a few quid to help me get over there and back, I'd appreciate it. Thanks very much.

00:07:47.200 Oh, hi, everybody. I just landed at Heathrow Airport in London. I slept on the plane. I managed to find a

00:07:52.080 shower here at the airport. So I'm slightly fresher. I'm fresh as a daisy, no problem, three hours of

00:07:57.800 sleep. I'm now going to make my way to the Royal Courts of Justice. And at 1030 AM, Tommy Robinson will

00:08:05.800 have his case heard before Justice Martin Chamberlain. I did a little bit of Googling and

00:08:11.800 I liked what I saw. I saw that he said in an interview with the Times newspaper that he thinks

00:08:18.400 the United Kingdom should have a more robust freedom of speech. He actually said he'd like something like

00:08:25.880 the US First Amendment. Now, whether or not he puts that into practice for our friend Tommy,

00:08:30.300 we'll find out later this morning. I'm going to live tweet the whole thing. You can follow me on

00:08:35.580 Twitter. Simply my name, Ezra Levant. And if you get this message too late, the hearings are from

00:08:40.300 1030 to 1230. You can follow what we post to TommyReports.com. TommyReports.com. And can you do me a favor

00:08:49.920 and help cover the cost of my travel over here? Unlike the BBC reporters will be there today to

00:08:56.520 stab Tommy in the back. I don't get government funding, so I have to pay for my own flight and

00:09:02.760 cab fare. Obviously, it's about a thousand dollars Canadian or 500 pounds. If you could chip in,

00:09:06.880 I'd really be grateful. I believe it's important that I'm there today because I don't trust the

00:09:11.880 mainstream media to tell the truth. All right, I'm going to get going into the city now. Oh, hi,

00:09:16.760 everybody. I am outside the beautiful Royal Courts of Justice in London. What a gorgeous

00:09:22.720 building. I'll tilt the camera down so you can see it. There's a crowd of people outside. There's

00:09:28.220 always something cooking here. I said hello to a couple of Tommy Robinson supporters. His case will

00:09:34.180 be heard in about an hour's time. Justice Martin Chamberlain presiding. And Tommy will have a legal

00:09:44.480 team led by the King's Council barrister named Alistair Williams, who's excellent. I've had a

00:09:52.380 chance to talk to him a little bit over the course of the last few months. And more importantly, he

00:09:57.620 gets along well with Tommy and was successful for Tommy in defeating the Metropolitan Police ban on

00:10:03.940 Tommy even entering the city of London. What a bizarre punishment that was. I won't get into that

00:10:10.700 now. But I think it goes to the fact that there is lawfare against Tommy Robinson being waged by the

00:10:17.540 government. One of Tommy's books is called Enemy of the State. It's his autobiography. And it really

00:10:22.440 is the truth. You know, we like to think that the United Kingdom, like Canada, like the United States

00:10:29.040 is a liberal democracy with the rule of law, with a light touch. But as Lavrenti Beria, the Soviet secret 0.69

00:10:35.540 police boss said, show me the man, I'll find you the crime. And it is possible even in a liberal

00:10:41.400 democracy like the UK for the state to weaponize things and say, we'll find something to get him.

00:10:48.320 And I think that's the approach they're taking with Tommy. It really is a disgrace to the tradition

00:10:54.920 of the UK, which was the crucible of freedom of speech and really liberty and law. Anyways,

00:11:02.180 I'm going to go in the court now, find my way to the courtroom, make sure I get in there with enough

00:11:07.420 time to get a seat, find a plug for my computer, and I'm going to be live tweeting

00:11:12.600 the proceedings, which I like to do. It'll be interesting to see what mainstream media attend.

00:11:20.460 They typically come to Tommy's court cases, and they don't like me much because they take a very hostile

00:11:28.240 point of view. I think most mainstream media journalists in the UK despise Tommy Robinson for

00:11:35.080 political reasons, for reasons of class, for reasons of peer pressure. But more than just

00:11:41.860 individual journalists, I don't think that there's any mainstream newspapers or broadcasters who would

00:11:49.880 even allow a journalist to be neutral. I think the only exception would be there's a number of people

00:11:55.840 at GB News who give them a fair hearing. But I mean, the BBC is atrocious. They're just character

00:12:02.960 assassins. That's one of the reasons I believe it's important I come over here from Canada is I just

00:12:09.340 don't trust the mainstream media in this country, GB News being an exception. Anyways, I'm going to go in

00:12:16.560 now, follow along on my Twitter handle, which is simple. My name is Ezra Levant. And if you're seeing

00:12:22.780 this video later, for example, if you live in North America, where it's still night or very, very early

00:12:28.700 morning, you can catch up at our special website, TommyReports.com. And if you feel like chipping in a

00:12:35.740 few dollars or pounds to help cover my travel to get here, I'd be grateful. I flew in overnight. I slept

00:12:41.900 on the plane. I came here straight from the airport. And there's lots of friendly folks here, you know,

00:12:46.560 saying hello, which is which is a lovely treat to be welcomed by Tommy supporters. And then I'm going

00:12:52.720 home. I'm going home at the 6pm flight. So I'm not even on the ground for 12 hours. But that's the way

00:12:58.400 to do it. So check out my reports at TommyReports.com. And I'm going to go in now. Cheers.

00:13:05.120 I'm with Ezra Levant, who's the publisher of Rebel News, without whom we would not be here in court today

00:13:12.080 for this hearing about Tommy Robinson's treatment in prison, solitary confinement,

00:13:17.760 treatment in prison and whether it accords with justice, which I think we both agree it does not.

00:13:22.800 Ezra, can you, Ezra has been in charge of really got the whole legal proceedings going

00:13:30.320 for Tommy. I don't know what would have happened without Ezra, whether there would be any such

00:13:35.760 defense or even challenging of the courts of the sentencing of Tommy without. And so in Britain,

00:13:44.480 we're very grateful. Well, thank you for saying that. I don't want to contradict you,

00:13:47.920 but I think you're overstating my role. I mean, I was I was involved, but I was not the essential

00:13:54.880 mover. But thank you for your kind words. And so today, can you just say, why were we here? What were you

00:14:02.320 trying to establish today? Sure. Well, Tommy is in an extreme situation where every day counts.

00:14:10.080 However, the court system moves very slowly. To get a trial takes months, sometimes even years.

00:14:15.920 So today's hearing was to see if the courts would agree to hear the substantive case of Tommy's prison

00:14:24.000 treatment on an expedited or emergency basis. So this judge, after listening for several hours,

00:14:31.440 said that tomorrow he will give a ruling on how quickly Tommy's challenge to his prison treatment

00:14:39.280 will happen. If I had to guess, I think the judge will lean towards having it sooner rather than later.

00:14:47.680 Remember, it's not the same as issuing a ruling on the substance of it. So Tommy will still have to

00:14:53.760 prove the way he's being treated is illegal. But this judge will determine how quickly that happens.

00:15:00.160 Right. And so we might have to wait another month to go by before that. Or indeed,

00:15:05.840 the judge may not rule that, may say there's no case to be held or no judicial review to happen.

00:15:11.920 I think Tommy has the right to a judicial review. I'm not an expert on British civil procedure,

00:15:17.600 but I think he has the right to that review. Whether or not it happens quickly is what's at

00:15:22.240 stake. And really, that's an easy call for a judge to make. What's the cost of it other than moving

00:15:29.200 around some scheduling? The difficult job will be ruling on the substance. But what was interesting

00:15:36.800 today is there's a little bit of drama, which is Tommy objected to something that the government's

00:15:43.520 lawyer was saying. He did this by waving in the camera from the prison link. The judge noticed

00:15:49.360 that and said, OK, looks like Tommy has something to say. Let's have a half hour break so Tommy can

00:15:55.280 confer with his lawyer. So that happened. But in the middle of that phone call, the prison cut off the

00:16:02.640 call, which is a shocking thing to do. But it sort of proves the point of everything that Tommy's lawyer

00:16:08.560 was saying, which is the prison is abusive. It's whimsical. It's capricious. It's unreliable. It's

00:16:15.600 untrustworthy. And the judge had this happen to him. So the judge angrily instructed the government

00:16:22.880 lawyer to ensure that that Tommy had a chance to confer with his lawyer without interruption.

00:16:29.040 So that took more than an hour. That's why the judge will not issue his ruling until tomorrow,

00:16:34.400 because the capricious, unreliable, abusive governor of HMP Woodhill

00:16:44.240 thought she'd mess around. But as the Brits would say, QED. Doesn't that prove everything?

00:16:49.280 It was particularly ironic because this came at the moment that the government's council had been

00:16:55.680 listing all Tommy's wonderful prisoners, like being allowed to be locked in the gym. Well, he didn't say

00:17:02.560 locked in a gym for an hour a week or whatever it was. And he'd listed all these prisoners.

00:17:07.040 But when it came to the fact of whether Tommy could even get the attention of a prison guard,

00:17:12.000 as he sat in a small cell to say that the judge had said he could call his solicitor,

00:17:18.400 he couldn't even get the attention of the guard. And then after that, as you say, when he got the call,

00:17:25.440 the call was cut off. So it was amusing if you have a sort of satirical sense about it.

00:17:33.120 There are a number of things that I myself knew were false. For example, visits. The prison

00:17:39.760 governor, her name is Nicola Marfly, a very abusive woman, would grant someone a visit and then the 1.00

00:17:45.680 last minute yank it away from Tommy like a taunt or a tease. And she's done this repeatedly. I know, 0.95

00:17:51.040 because she's done it to me. She's cut off Tommy's phoning privileges, including his own son.

00:17:57.360 So I think the judge is a bit of a sadistic woman. And I say that, I mean, I meant to say the

00:18:03.040 guard, sorry, forgive me, I didn't mean to say the judge, excuse me, the prison governor. Yes.

00:18:09.120 Sorry, I had no sleep last night. I got on the plane yesterday in Canada, had a few winks on the plane.

00:18:15.040 And so forgive me, I'm a little, I missed, I messed up my words there. No, the prison warden,

00:18:20.240 the prison governor. Yes. And whimsical, capricious, highly political. Yeah. In fact,

00:18:28.400 in one letter to Tommy's solicitor, Nicola, Nicola Marfly said that it was because of Tommy's

00:18:35.280 politics that he had to be segregated. She agreed this. Yeah. And let me say something,

00:18:39.840 speaking as a foreigner. Yeah. Because sometimes you're so used to something that you no longer

00:18:45.760 realize. Yeah, that's right. And if I may, it was accepted as normal by both the government lawyer

00:18:52.800 and Tommy's lawyer and the judge and everyone in the room, the prisons are lawless, violent place

00:18:59.040 run by the gangs. And this was just accepted as a reason why Tommy had to be segregated,

00:19:05.280 because the prison was in no position to govern itself. But not in reverse. Nobody, no,

00:19:12.480 it was said that he might radicalize other prisoners. In fact, we know radicalization was

00:19:18.000 happening across British prisons the whole time. And you know, it was deeply ironic.

00:19:24.160 In Canada, we call the boss of a prison. We call that typically a prison warden. Here you call it a

00:19:29.600 governor. But that's sort of Orwellian because Nicola, Nicola Marfly is not governing. It's more

00:19:36.160 like Agatha Christie. Do you remember the great Agatha Christie novel about the cruel wardens?

00:19:41.360 The gangs are governing the prison. Oh, the gangs. Yeah. And, and I mean,

00:19:45.840 that's obvious. Who is setting the policy at HMT Woodhill? The gangs. That's what's making the

00:19:52.000 decision to put Tommy in segregation. Yes. Because they control the prison, not Nicola Marfly. It's

00:19:56.880 stunning to me. And I don't know if you still see that. No. Because everyone in the courtroom

00:20:00.720 seemed to find that normal. It's not normal. No. No, I certainly noticed the thing about the

00:20:05.760 people who are at risk of being radicalized are not people Tommy might meet. The people are

00:20:10.880 the poor buggers who Swift Justice happened to after the Southport riots. You know, there's one more 0.98

00:20:16.800 thing I'll say and then I got to run. Tommy knew one other prisoner at Woodhill. Yeah, I noticed he said he

00:20:24.560 was Muslim. No, somebody said he was Muslim. Well, Tommy's lawyer, Alistair Williamson,

00:20:30.960 said it was a childhood friend of Tommy's who happened to be a Muslim man. Yeah. And Tommy

00:20:35.840 wanted to meet with him for old time's sake. I mean, I can imagine a buddy he hasn't seen in 20 or 30

00:20:40.880 years and the judge pervaded. And I just thought that was very interesting. Yes. First of all, it

00:20:46.880 shatters some stereotypes about Tommy. It does indeed. And it shows the cruelty and sadistic nature of the

00:20:51.920 prison government. The other very Orwellian feature of it I noticed was the point that he made to his

00:20:57.520 council when we were adjourned that Tommy made is he doesn't know who he has to choose who the prisoner

00:21:03.840 is that he wants to associate with. He doesn't know who the prisoners are. So how can he choose to apply

00:21:09.760 to meet with somebody who he doesn't know exists or not? And this is another cruelty that was deeply

00:21:15.120 Orwellian to me. The whole thing was very strange. Thank you so much. And we'll keep our fingers

00:21:21.680 crossed. Right on. Nice to see you. Thanks, everybody. That was dramatic. What just happened?

00:21:27.920 Then all morning, Tommy Robinson's lawyers and the government's lawyers have been sparring

00:21:33.760 about his treatment in prison. And one of the things they're debating about is does he get privileges like

00:21:38.960 phone privileges, visitors, and there was some dispute. So there was a moment there when Tommy

00:21:44.800 who was joined by video link waved to get the attention of the court to signal that that the

00:21:50.560 government lawyer wasn't accurately reporting the facts. So the judge said, okay, we're going to have

00:21:56.400 a short break where Tommy can phone his lawyers to instruct them. Tommy wasn't going to give evidence

00:22:02.480 directly, but he could say things to the lawyer. But in the middle of that phone call, the prison

00:22:08.800 governor hung up the phone, canceled the call, and Tommy Robinson came back and wrote a piece of paper and

00:22:16.560 held it up to the video link saying, I was cut off. And the judge said, is this true? And the judge,

00:22:23.440 judge of Martin Chamberlain said to the government's lawyer, Mr. Cross, you call that prison governor,

00:22:30.720 and you get that phone call going right now. And you tell the prison governor not to cut it off

00:22:37.200 until Tommy and his lawyer are done talking. I mean, this, this judge is very even keeled.

00:22:43.360 It's tough to read this judge. But when the prison governor cut off Tommy's call, I think that

00:22:50.080 irritated the judge because it delayed things. And here's the reason I think that's an important

00:22:54.960 moment, Dan. It sort of proved that the prison was taking liberties, that the prison was cutting

00:23:01.680 corners, that when the prison says Tommy has certain privileges, well, maybe or maybe not.

00:23:07.760 Of all the things said this morning, I mean, I think Alistair Williamson is the lawyer for Tommy.

00:23:13.440 He's an excellent King's counsel. I love listening to him myself. But I think perhaps the most persuasive

00:23:19.200 moment was for the judge to witness firsthand the whimsical, capricious, and perhaps even abusive

00:23:26.080 nature of the prison. Amazing. Especially because up until that point, the KC for the Secretary of State

00:23:36.400 had been saying, Tommy gets contact all the time. There are people in there all the time. He couldn't

00:23:42.480 even get the attention of a prison guard during the trial. And that second note he held up actually

00:23:50.240 made the point that all his calls are monitored and that they would have been monitoring that call

00:23:56.720 with his lawyers in line. Very, very interesting. And I believe that. Other things that the Secretary

00:24:03.360 of State, that's the government's lawyer, was saying, I know from personal experience they're not true.

00:24:08.080 I know you visited Tommy and I visited Tommy once, but my subsequent visits, one of them was approved

00:24:14.640 and then at the last minute was cut off by the prison. So is that what the Secretary of State,

00:24:19.680 what the government means by Tommy has visiting privileges? For a while there, Tommy's own son

00:24:25.520 was cut off from phone privileges. There's a lot of liberties being taken and there's a certain

00:24:31.520 cruelty there. And listen, Tommy's been in solitary for about 150 days. It's not meant to be that way,

00:24:39.360 Dan. And listen, I'm not saying Tommy is going to win. It feels like it's on a knife's edge here.

00:24:44.240 Yeah, it does. And we've got about an hour right now, but I think Tommy's got a shot.

00:24:48.960 And remember what's being decided today, not the substance of Tommy's complaint,

00:24:52.800 but the scheduling question is, has Tommy proved to the judge that things are urgent enough and

00:25:00.160 emergency enough to have a speedy hearing? So today is not the final disposition of should

00:25:07.120 Tommy be in solitary. Today is a judge saying, is this something we should fast track because it's

00:25:12.560 really urgent? And I think the strongest piece of evidence that Tommy's lawyer, Alistair Williamson,

00:25:18.560 presented was a detailed psychological evaluation by a medical, mental health professional sent in

00:25:26.720 to examine Tommy and talking about his PTSD, his ADHD, how some of it is from his last

00:25:34.800 stay in solitary confinement, how that is affecting Tommy's mindset. I won't try and repeat exactly what

00:25:41.520 the doctor said, but it was pretty persuasive. And by the way, the government didn't dispute any of

00:25:47.840 that psychologist's findings. So you know what, if I had to guess, it's foolish for me to guess, 0.87

00:25:53.200 because we're going to find out the result in about an hour. But I think this judge is going to say,

00:25:57.840 you know what, let's have that hearing sooner rather than later. He's not going to make a final

00:26:02.480 disposition about what happens in the hearing. But I bet he goes for a quick hearing. One last

00:26:07.040 detail. I've tried to Google a little bit about this judge. I hadn't heard of him before today.

00:26:11.280 His name is Martin Chamberlain, senior guy, obviously pretty smart guy from Edinburgh originally,

00:26:16.400 if I'm not mistaken. He gave an interview with the Times of London a few years back,

00:26:20.880 sort of up and coming lawyer. They wanted to ask him a question. They said,

00:26:23.840 if you could pass one law, what would it be? And you know what he said? He said,

00:26:28.160 we should have stronger freedom of speech in the UK. We should have a US-style First Amendment.

00:26:33.520 Wow. Not usual, by the way, for the judiciary here in the UK.

00:26:38.240 And so some of that has to do with Tommy's case, doesn't it? And if I'm not mistaken,

00:26:43.440 he also weighed in in favor of the, what's that called? Existence Rebellion or what's that group

00:26:50.000 called again? That's right. So they're sort of eco-extremists and you and I might not agree with

00:26:55.520 them. But if this judge is strengthening their right to protest, again, if he's being a principled

00:27:02.160 precedent follower, if he applies that matrix to Tommy, well, maybe he's more sympathetic.

00:27:07.920 If he's a free speecher and a political protest supporter, maybe he's more sympathetic to Tommy.

00:27:13.600 I don't know. You don't want to read too much into it because he is guided by the facts and the law.

00:27:18.000 But the things I could divine about him just by a quick Google, I thought, this isn't a bad judge.

00:27:22.800 It's Ezra Levant here. We have a break in the court. And I'll tell you a little bit about it.

00:27:28.480 So I'm giving you an update. Of course, I'm standing outside the gorgeous Royal Courts of Justice

00:27:34.720 in a neighborhood of the UK called The Strand. It's so beautiful here. I wish I could stay longer.

00:27:40.480 I arrived at 6.30 a.m. It took me actually a couple hours to find my way into the city.

00:27:46.640 And I've got to fly out at 6 p.m. So really, as soon as I'm done here, I'm heading out.

00:27:51.440 But I'm glad I came in. Here's why. So what was today? Today was a sort of a scheduling hearing.

00:27:59.120 It was a case management hearing, as we call it in Canada, where Tommy Robinson's lawyers were trying

00:28:05.520 to convince a judge to hear a challenge to Tommy's imprisonment status, to hear it on an expedited

00:28:13.040 basis. What I mean by that is justice moves slowly. It takes months to get court dates. But that doesn't

00:28:20.480 work if someone's in solitary confinement where every day counts. So today is a special hearing

00:28:26.720 to convince a judge, his name is Justice Martin Chamberlain, that Tommy has a sufficiently important

00:28:33.200 case that's sufficiently urgent that the actual substantive hearing should be done on a speedy

00:28:41.120 basis. So today isn't the resolution of the actual question, should Tommy be taken out of solitary

00:28:48.240 confinement? Today is a resolution of a preliminary question. Is that a sufficiently urgent matter for

00:28:55.920 the court to move faster than it normally does? Now, the fact that they scheduled today's hearing

00:29:03.920 fairly quickly in itself is a good sign. I did a little bit of Googling on Justice Martin Chamberlain,

00:29:11.920 and he once told the Times of London that he thinks the UK should have US-style freedom of speech,

00:29:19.840 like the First Amendment. That would be amazing. I wish Canada had that too. So any judge who says that,

00:29:25.280 well, I'm feeling good about them. And there's a UK eco-extremist group called Extinction Rebellion.

00:29:35.600 They're awful. Not only do they block highways, they deface priceless art. They're the worst people

00:29:41.440 in the world. But this judge, in a ruling, you know, I'm going from memory here, so my details might

00:29:47.840 not be perfect, defended the right of Extinction Rebellion to have some of their protests. And again,

00:29:54.000 I despise Extinction Rebellion, but the fact that this judge is fighting for their freedom to protest,

00:29:59.280 again, perhaps that redounds to Tommy's benefit in this hearing. So Tommy's King's Council, that's a

00:30:06.720 senior barrister. Alistair Williamson was on his feet, basically going through the facts

00:30:13.600 of Tommy's incarceration. And the main piece of evidence he was referring to was a medical report

00:30:23.200 by, I'm not sure if it was a psychologist or a psychiatrist, forgive me, who met with Tommy in

00:30:29.680 prison and spent some time diagnosing him, talking to him, asking him questions about a number of

00:30:36.480 things, and then wrote a scientific medical report on Tommy's PTSD and ADHD, post-traumatic stress disorder

00:30:45.440 and attention deficit disorder, both of which were exacerbated by his last day in solitary confinement,

00:30:55.120 which have sort of flourished again in this state. So it's a very acute warning of Tommy's mental health.

00:31:02.080 On his feet in reply, the KC for the government, the Secretary of State is the particular office,

00:31:08.400 but it was just a King's Council lawyer, argued that, oh, it's not really solitary confinement because

00:31:15.280 Tommy has the occasional visitor, and he has the occasional phone call, and he's allowed to do

00:31:20.800 arts and crafts or something, they said. He was basically saying, tough luck. There was one

00:31:28.720 instance where Tommy was offered drugs by the health officers at the prison. Oh, you're having

00:31:36.560 a tough time in solitary for nine months? We can get you on drugs. But could you imagine that? Anyways,

00:31:42.640 it went back and forth. And I should say that Tommy Robinson was joining not in person,

00:31:48.080 but by a video link. So Tommy was in the prison, we could all see him, he could see us, and he could

00:31:53.680 hear the proceedings. And he was listening to Mr. Cross, that's the government's lawyer,

00:31:59.600 talk about how wonderful Tommy has, and he has this many visits, and this many phone calls, and it's

00:32:05.920 and it's just a luxury vacation compared, it's better even than other prisoners have, was at one point

00:32:11.440 a contention by the government. And Tommy started waving his arm madly, and the judge took notice

00:32:18.000 of that, and the judge, being no dummy, said, oh, he clearly objects to that. And the judge said,

00:32:24.480 well, maybe we should take a break and let Tommy have a phone call with his lawyer. Tommy's not going

00:32:31.360 to come and give evidence, but maybe Tommy can give some information to his lawyer, who would then

00:32:36.880 perhaps rebut or refuse Mr. Cross. So the court went on a half hour break while the lawyers talked to

00:32:44.080 Tommy on the phone. But then Tommy came back to the room, to his video link, and he held up a sign

00:32:50.880 saying they cut off my phone. And indeed that was confirmed by Alistair Williams and Tommy's lawyer.

00:32:57.120 So the judge was not happy with this at all. The judge inquired and said, are you serious?

00:33:03.200 The prison cut off the phone call between Tommy and his lawyer when I instructed the lawyer to talk to

00:33:11.440 Tommy? In effect, the prison cut off the call to the judge, didn't they? The judge was not on the call,

00:33:18.000 but the judge instructed Tommy and Tommy's lawyer to brief themselves so that the jury could proceed.

00:33:25.440 The prison scotched that. The prison scuppered that. The judge was not pleased. The judge said

00:33:32.960 to the government's lawyer, Mr. Cross, you get on the phone and you tell the prison that they must

00:33:39.440 reconnect Tommy. And then after some back and forth, they realized that having a video link

00:33:45.840 that would just save time. Tommy would speak directly through the video link and everyone

00:33:49.920 else would clear the court. So in fact, that's why I'm on the street right now. But understand what

00:33:54.080 happened. For the whole morning, Tommy's lawyer was saying how oppressive the treatment in the prison

00:34:00.720 was. And for the whole morning, the government's lawyer was saying, no, it's wonderful. Tommy has so many

00:34:06.080 privileges. And then as if to prove the whole point, the prison cut off Tommy mid phone call

00:34:15.200 to his own lawyers, not even just a family or a friend, but to his own lawyers, he was instructing.

00:34:21.040 This judge is not an emotionally expressive judge. He would probably be called stone faced,

00:34:28.240 but you could hear his anger. And the instructions he gave Mr. Cross, the government's lawyer,

00:34:33.600 were quite stern. And I would say that the lesson the judge learned firsthand about the truth telling

00:34:40.960 and reliability of this prison, while he learned more from that phone call being cut off than from

00:34:47.440 anything the lawyers said all day. It is my view, based on my firsthand experience with the prison,

00:34:54.960 then they gave me one visit with Tommy and then they canceled the next one on very short notice.

00:35:00.800 It is my view that the prison warden or governor, as they're called over here, Nicola Marfleet, 0.74

00:35:07.520 is a sadistic woman. She's obviously a DEI hire. In the UK, the prisons are out of control. That's 0.99

00:35:16.400 what's so fascinating is that everyone on both the government side and Tommy's side assume that it's

00:35:23.280 normal that prisons are extremely dangerous and that you get killed or injured in prison because

00:35:29.600 of the gangs. That's just accepted as normal. In other words, Nicola Marfleet, the sadistic governor 0.99

00:35:35.200 of Woodhill Prison, she's not in control of the prison. The gangs are. And her lawyer more or less said

00:35:42.560 that. That's why they're putting Tommy in solitary confinement, because the prison doesn't control

00:35:48.640 anything. Tommy would be killed in moments by the gangs, the largest of which, of course,

00:35:55.040 is the Muslim gang. Of course, they don't like Tommy because he's a critic of Islam. 0.98

00:36:00.480 So it was sort of fascinating to me that everyone involved, the judge, both lawyers, just everyone

00:36:07.120 accepts that the UK prisons are literally out of control and no one manages them. So it's quite

00:36:13.360 something that Nicola Marfleet, the sadistic governor who rules over this failed state of a prison. 1.00

00:36:20.800 I think the judge got a measure of what she's like. Anyways, I'm on the break right now where

00:36:26.000 Tommy is speaking to his lawyer. I'm going to make my way back in the court. There are, I think,

00:36:31.680 about four or five mainstream media journalists there. I have not seen their coverage, but I think we can

00:36:37.440 surmise it's going to be the same as it ever was, which is they hate Tommy. They're going to spin

00:36:44.240 things as hard as they can. I'm sure if you read my tweets and compare them to the Guardian or the BBC

00:36:50.720 or whoever else was there today, you'll think we attended two different hearings all together.

00:36:55.440 Anyways, I'd say I'm cautiously optimistic because, again, today's ruling, which we're expecting to get

00:37:01.040 in about an hour, will not be on the substance of is Tommy being abused, but it'll be on the procedural

00:37:07.680 question, is there enough here to warrant a speedy trial? And, you know, maybe I'm a fool to be 0.96

00:37:13.440 optimistic, but I think the judgment just agreed to that. Anyways, it's such a lovely day. I hate the fact 0.59

00:37:19.200 I have to head on home, but there's a lot of important work I have to do back in Canada, but I'm glad

00:37:24.240 I'm here. And I had the pleasure of bumping into Dan Wooten, another independent journalist who actually

00:37:30.000 used to be very senior at various newspapers and other places in town. He was here. So Tommy does

00:37:35.600 have some friends, that's for sure. The highlight for me was when we were all leaving the courtroom

00:37:41.600 so Tommy could use the video link to speak privately with his lawyers. And I walked up to the camera for

00:37:47.120 the video link and I waved and Tommy saw him and he waved back and he wrote a note to me. And it was

00:37:52.800 sort of wonderful, actually, because I hadn't been able to visit the lad because of the sadistic

00:37:58.160 governor, Nicola Marfly. So anyways, that's my update. I'm going to go back in there now

00:38:03.040 and I will try and have one more update with the important news of how this is resolved. So

00:38:07.920 thanks for listening. Oh, by the way, if you want to see my tweets, it's just on Ezra Levent. That's

00:38:11.920 my Twitter handle. And I'm going to post certain things at TommyReports.com. Thanks.

00:38:16.320 Well, hi, everybody. It's my final installment on the day. As you can see, I'm in a vehicle

00:38:21.280 leaving central London on my way to the airport. I just don't have time to record something outside

00:38:27.040 the court because I don't want to miss my flight in London. Traffic can be extremely slow. Anyways,

00:38:33.600 when I last gave an update, we were on an hour break while the judge had Tommy's lawyer and Tommy

00:38:42.320 connect via video link because Tommy had objected to some of the representations made by the government's

00:38:49.360 lawyer. Now, Tommy and Tommy's lawyer were supposed to have done that earlier by phone

00:38:54.800 when shockingly, the prison just cut off their phone call mid call. And what's so astonishing

00:39:02.160 about that is that's the very point that Tommy's lawyers were trying to make at that moment to the

00:39:07.280 judge that Tommy was not being treated with the regular privileges of even a criminal prisoner,

00:39:13.760 let alone a civil prisoner. So the judge himself tasted firsthand the capricious and abusive,

00:39:21.440 if I may, misconduct of the prison. It certainly was a terrible look for the government lawyers.

00:39:28.080 And the judge, whilst never out of control of his emotions, he's a very sober minded judge.

00:39:34.080 You could tell that he was quite angry with what had happened. So that delayed everything by a

00:39:39.840 significant amount of time. Tommy's lawyer once briefed, mentioned some points to the judge who

00:39:47.680 listened to him. But it was not very much more time in court. The judge announced he was instead of

00:39:54.240 issuing his ruling today, as he had originally planned to do, he's going to do that tomorrow.

00:39:58.880 And I just can't stick around in London another day, I'm afraid. But the judge said he's going to

00:40:04.240 release the ruling tomorrow by email. So it's not like there would be a court to go to anyways.

00:40:10.000 And I talked to Alistair Williamson, Tommy's barrister, and asked him if he could send me

00:40:15.520 the results as soon as he got them. So in conclusion, it was a very interesting hearing.

00:40:21.760 I'm optimistic. I think Tommy had a fairly solid case to begin with.

00:40:27.360 I think that it's fairly easy for a judge to say, yeah, we'll have an expedited hearing,

00:40:32.640 because that's not taking a position on the merits of the case. It's just saying,

00:40:36.560 if we're going to talk about this, we may as well do it while Tommy's still in prison. Otherwise,

00:40:39.680 it's moot. And I think the way that the prison cut off Tommy's phone call, I think it lent credence

00:40:46.720 to Tommy's lawyer's claims that he had not, in fact, been given the privileges that a prisoner

00:40:52.080 expects. Anyways, I'm getting a little bit technical, but it was actually a very exciting moment.

00:40:56.640 And I just want to tell you that there was that moment when I went up to the video link and waved to

00:41:03.360 Tommy and he saw him and he waved back and he scribbled a note on a card and held it up that said,

00:41:07.920 thanks, because we've been helping with the various things. So it was actually the first

00:41:11.120 time I've seen Tommy in a few months because the prison has banned me from visiting. Anyways,

00:41:16.960 it's a three-minute update. There's not too much to report, but I just wanted to close the day.

00:41:21.920 In summary, tomorrow we will learn if Tommy Robinson does indeed get an expedited hearing

00:41:28.160 to change his prison treatment. I hope so. And I hope this marks the end of his

00:41:34.960 segregation, which is really taxing him physically and mentally. And yeah, that's my report. I'm

00:41:41.600 literally on the way to the airport. I just wanted to leave right away because I didn't want to risk

00:41:45.760 missing the flight. If you can help me cover the cost of that flight, I'd be so grateful. I'm

00:41:50.160 not even staying in a hotel. I'm just going straight home. But between the flight and the taxis,

00:41:56.400 it's almost a thousand bucks Canadian, about 500 pounds, British sterling. If you can help me out,

00:42:01.600 go to tommyreports.com. And I probably did 200 tweets today. If you want the blow-by-blow,

00:42:08.080 you can find that on my X account. Well, that's it from here. And I'll keep you posted tomorrow.

00:42:14.560 I'll send out an email tomorrow when I hear from the judge. All right, goodbye.

00:42:17.760 You know, I saw the most astonishing thing in a tweet by Donald Trump the other day.

00:42:33.920 Hunter Biden had a full Secret Service entourage. No, I'm not talking about Joe Biden. I'm talking

00:42:40.720 about Hunter Biden, his terrible, awful, atrocious son. And he had a rotating, like there was so many 0.69

00:42:49.200 people needed to rotate eight-hour shifts. And he traveled. He was in South Africa traveling with

00:42:54.960 like 20, an entourage of like 24 Secret Service staff. And by the way, Anthony Fauci had the same

00:43:03.360 thing. And Trump tweeted in both cases, let them pay their own security. And, and it was sort of,

00:43:10.080 yeah, why is Anthony Fauci getting millions and millions of dollars worth of security?

00:43:15.760 And, and I think about the Canadian context that I saw a photo that Justin Trudeau put on Instagram

00:43:22.400 of him looking very, you know, I don't, I don't even know what the look was, but it was his first

00:43:27.360 post-prime ministerial photo. And I'm not saying we should remove his security. I, I don't think we

00:43:34.800 should actually. But my God, is he ever backing up the, uh, the truck and just shoveling in dough

00:43:44.400 on the way out? What I'm referring to in his case is not Secret Service. I think he should be protected.

00:43:50.000 I mean, I dislike the guy, but I don't want harm to come to him. And there is obviously a risk.

00:43:54.640 But oh my God, the money he's putting in his jeans on the way out the door. And who better to tell us

00:43:59.040 about his not one, but his two pensions. He's the tender age of 53, but he's got two pensions for

00:44:07.040 life. Joining us now to talk about it is my friend Franco Teresano from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation.

00:44:12.640 Franco, uh, we don't begrudge someone a, uh, a pension, but the short amount of time he's worked

00:44:20.720 and the astonishing numbers here and not one, but two pensions. It just shows the divide between how

00:44:27.280 politicians take care of themselves and, and versus the rest of us, the numbers here, I'll let you say

00:44:32.480 them, but I've been reading your press release on it. They're insane. Like, like they're almost eight

00:44:38.720 figures. If you take my meeting, go ahead. Oh, it's nuts, right? Two taxpayer funded pensions

00:44:45.200 for life totaling. Yes. Two totaling $8.4 million. Two taxpayer funded pensions. Okay.

00:44:53.920 So a prime minister. Now I know Ezra, you and most of your listeners know that members of parliament

00:44:58.720 get these sweet, sweet fat taxpayer funded pensions. Well, prime ministers get a second

00:45:05.120 pension in addition to that. Okay. So, uh, Trudeau's MP pension, which he can start collecting at the age

00:45:11.760 of 55, uh, for his lifetime will total about 6.5 million bucks. And then he also gets a prime

00:45:19.680 minister's pension on top of that. So that's an additional payment that he can start getting at

00:45:24.400 the age of 67. And that pension for his lifetime will total about $1.9 million. So you add up the

00:45:31.920 six and a half million bucks for his MP pension and the $1.9 million for his prime minister's pension.

00:45:38.960 And you're looking at a lifetime pension for Trudeau of 8.4 million smackers. And that is gross.

00:45:47.200 Yeah. And I mean, he's not done yet earning money, by the way, wouldn't surprise me if he got some job

00:45:53.440 with an NGO that was also fed by tax dollars. Like, I don't think he's going to run for office

00:45:59.360 anywhere, but I would bet my bottom dollar that he will find some post PM perch that is funded by

00:46:07.760 taxpayers somehow or another. Um, and by the way, all MPs, including the cabinet, they just ratchet,

00:46:16.160 ratchet, ratchet up their pay automatically on April fool's day. Don't they? I just can't believe

00:46:20.880 they chose April fool's day. Like that's too spot on the nose. If that were in a movie,

00:46:26.320 the director would say, no, no, no. The studio would say too obvious. No, no one would believe it.

00:46:31.600 Literally April, every year on April fool's day, these guys give themselves an automatic raise.

00:46:35.840 It must be nice. Yeah. Well, welcome to Ottawa. Hey, where taxpayers are both the punching bag

00:46:41.280 and the punchline, right? So every April one, while they're hiking your carbon taxes,

00:46:46.720 hiking your alcohol taxes, they're also stuffing their pockets with higher pay. And it looks like

00:46:52.160 this April one is no difference. Okay. So the raise this year will range anywhere between an

00:46:57.760 extra 7,600 bucks to an extra $13,400. Now, after this raise, a backbench member of parliament,

00:47:06.640 along with collecting dust in the house of commons, we'll be collecting an annual salary of about

00:47:11.760 210,000 bucks. A minister salary will be about 310,000 bucks. Now I have no idea why a minister

00:47:21.120 of finance who's running a $62 billion deficit would be getting a raise, but Hey, it's Ottawa and the

00:47:27.920 prime minister's salary will jump up to about 420,000 grand or about six times more than what

00:47:36.960 the average Canadian worker makes. And Ezra, let me just add one more thing. This will be their sixth,

00:47:44.320 sixth pay raise since the beginning of 2020 pandemic for you, lockdowns for you, tax hikes for you,

00:47:50.880 inflation for you, cost of living crisis for you. And this is their sixth pay raise all taken from

00:47:57.600 your pocket. Give me those stats again for his food budget. Because if I recall, Stephen Hopper

00:48:03.600 actually paid for his own food at 24 Sussex drive. I'm going from memory now. There was,

00:48:09.120 what's the number for, for Justin Trudeau for his food? Was there some news about him,

00:48:14.400 like a 90 grand a year thing? What was the stats on that? It was almost. Yeah. So in one year,

00:48:19.200 it was about 80 grand is what the cost of Trudeau's grocery bill was to taxpayers. So

00:48:25.280 you're talking tens of thousands of dollars. I mean, essentially, not essentially, the cost of

00:48:30.080 Trudeau's household grocery bills in one year is more than what the average worker makes in an entire

00:48:36.160 year. Right. So, I mean, this is crazy because I presume his, uh, ex isn't there anymore. So it's him.

00:48:43.840 And I think he's got a, he got two or three kids. I can't remember, but a lot of his meals are out

00:48:50.000 and about on the go. I don't even know how you spend that much. Like he doesn't have a large family.

00:48:55.520 Am I wrong? Well, no, you're right. How do you spend that much? But you know, it starts to make

00:49:01.200 sense. Well, it doesn't make sense, but it starts to add up the story here. When you look at other ways

00:49:06.480 that the government spends your money, right? Like remember the infamous trip of governor general,

00:49:11.600 Mary Simon, when they took a week long trip to Dubai and it costs a hundred grand for their

00:49:20.080 airplane food or Trudeau's week long trip or six day trip to the Indo Pacific back in 2023,

00:49:28.000 $220,000 on airplane food. I was on the plane yesterday. I went to Manitoba

00:49:34.560 to cover a church fire and I was sitting in the back and the, the, you can order a meal.

00:49:39.840 And I don't know if you know, Franco, you can order a first class meal from the back of the plane.

00:49:44.640 And they had this whole chicken dish for 20 bucks and that's their first class product.

00:49:50.000 You can order in the back for 20 bucks. I don't know how you spend 110,000 on airplane food.

00:49:55.280 When air, I'm not saying Eric Cannon is going to win some awards for their food, but it's not bad.

00:49:59.120 How do you go from 20 bucks a meal to a hundred thousand plus for a single trip? Like I just,

00:50:07.280 I don't know. Like if you asked me to dream up a way, all I could come to is, well, maybe that

00:50:12.800 extremely expensive bottles of wine, but even that doesn't add it up. I don't know. They're living

00:50:17.360 in their own world. They're in their own world. And then they try to hide the costs from you.

00:50:22.560 Right. So remember the governor general's trip, Heather, they were in the house of

00:50:26.160 commons at a parliamentary committee and they were saying, oh, we had eggs. We had omelets.

00:50:30.720 It wasn't that extravagant. It was normal airplane food. Here's the problem. We had the receipts.

00:50:36.720 We went through everything they're eating. They're having stuff like beef Wellington with reju.

00:50:41.520 Like Ezra, I don't know about you, but you can't get beef Wellington flavor,

00:50:45.520 flavor trips on an air Canada flight, let alone beef Wellington.

00:50:49.360 Yeah. That's more like first class on, on some of those like Emirates or Qatar flights. But even

00:50:54.720 there, they, I know it's not a hundred thousand bucks for a flight because those airlines are not 1.00

00:50:59.520 that stupid. They'd be in business. I just, I'll stop talking about airlines. I do fly a lot. So I, 1.00

00:51:04.080 I just don't know how you like, even a private jet. I just, and I'll stop talking about a good,

00:51:09.600 I just am baffled, but there's a commonality between the raises,

00:51:14.800 the pensions, the food budget at 24 Sussex, the insane airplane catering. I'm sorry I got stuck

00:51:21.040 on that. I just, I'm thinking how, but the common thread is there's this sort of condescension of

00:51:29.760 we're entitled to this and don't even question. I don't know if you saw, there was this interesting

00:51:34.080 exchange between Mark Carney and of all people, Rosemary Barton of the CBC, who I don't think

00:51:39.040 has ever asked a tough question of the government in her life. And he,

00:51:42.800 she asked about some financial disclosure and he said to her, he basically said, how dare you?

00:51:48.960 Here's a, here's a clip of that. Look within yourself. Here, take a look. The rules say that

00:51:54.960 those assets should be publicly disclosed within 120 days, which means you'll campaign

00:52:00.240 in a coming federal election, most likely within the next 120 days and are serving as prime minister

00:52:05.120 now with Canadians not being aware of what potential conflicts of interest. What possible conflict

00:52:10.800 of interest in your assets? Look inside yourself, Rosemary. I mean, you start from a, you start from a,

00:52:22.800 a prior of conflict and ill will. I have served in the private sector. I have stood up for Canada.

00:52:36.800 I have left my roles in the private sector. At a time of crisis for our country. I'm complying with all the rules.

00:52:54.800 Your line of questioning is trying to invent new rules. I'm complying with the rules, uh, that, uh, that parliament has laid out and the responsibilities of the ethics commissioner.

00:53:08.800 Um, and I will continue to comply with those rules. So the first question was from Stephanie Levitz,

00:53:16.800 uh, who I think is with a star now. And the second was from Rosemary Barton. They weren't gotcha questions.

00:53:20.800 They would just have you disclose what, you know, what are the conflicts? And he said, what possible conflicts could there be?

00:53:28.800 Why are you implying ill will? Conflicts don't require ill will. If he owns a stake in a green energy company,

00:53:35.800 then he shouldn't be in discussions or votes about green energy. That's not ill will. That's just the definition of a conflict.

00:53:42.800 I mean, we know he has a position on China. We know he has a position on he's against carbon. It's not ill will.

00:53:49.800 It's just, he's hiding what he has and look at him lashing out there. Am I overreacting Franco?

00:53:55.800 You know what? I get the impression of watching that. Hey, how dare the masses question me? How dare they question me?

00:54:03.800 And you know, this all brings me back to like what we've seen over the last, you know, number of years within the government here,

00:54:11.800 whether it's the raises, whether it's these massive pensions, right? Whether it's these expenses, whether it's all the crazy taxes, regulations, all of it,

00:54:21.800 all like this ruling class elite mentality here in Ottawa has to change, right? I truly believe Canadians are so fed up with this,

00:54:31.800 that we actually have to see a party leader come out and break ranks with all these other parties, right?

00:54:37.800 Actually stick up for the working people who have a right to question their leadership and who are sick and tired of paying the bills for all of this extravagance.

00:54:45.800 And you know, the tone there, I have come back to heal the country and you dare to question me.

00:54:51.800 Yeah, the reporters, they're going to question you every day, just heads up.

00:54:54.800 Maybe he wasn't used to that at the World Economic Forum where he served on the board.

00:54:57.800 Boy, I tell you, we're in for a bumpy ride.

00:55:00.800 Hey, I just heard you've got a new book and I see that it's coming out on Amazon on April 10th.

00:55:06.800 So that's a couple of weeks away from now, but I can still see a picture of the cover of it.

00:55:11.800 It's called Axing the Tax, The Rise and Fall of Canada's Carbon Tax by Franco Teresano.

00:55:18.800 Well, that's you.

00:55:19.800 You know, we'll have you back on to do a proper discussion of it.

00:55:22.800 But give me the 30 second elevator pitch, Axing the Tax, The Rise and Fall of Canada's Carbon Tax.

00:55:28.800 Give me a little bit of what's what we can expect in the book.

00:55:31.800 Yeah, well, you can preorder it on Amazon.

00:55:33.800 Just type in Axing the Tax, Franco Teresano.

00:55:36.800 It comes out April 10th.

00:55:37.800 And, you know, I wrote it for two reasons.

00:55:39.800 OK, so number one, you already hear all the pro carbon taxers, the green activists trying to spin it like, hey,

00:55:47.800 they are going to claim that the carbon tax is good policy.

00:55:50.800 It's just that Trudeau bungled it or that he didn't communicate it well enough.

00:55:54.800 Well, this book shows all the fatal flaws of the carbon tax, why it was always doomed to fail

00:56:01.800 and why the tax is always going to be a bad policy for Canadians who have to pay the bill,

00:56:07.800 regardless of who's in charge or what they relabel the carbon tax.

00:56:11.800 Ezra, the second reason I wrote this book is because Canadians have been fighting the elite establishment on the carbon tax since day one.

00:56:20.800 Canadians never stop fighting.

00:56:22.800 And they deserve this book because they deserve to know that all their hard work fighting the elites on the carbon tax is paying off.

00:56:30.800 Well, there he is.

00:56:31.800 He's an author and will have a good heart to heart.

00:56:34.800 I can hardly wait to do that.

00:56:35.800 Let's do that soon.

00:56:36.800 Maybe a little closer to the official launch date.

00:56:38.800 The book is called Axing the Tax.

00:56:41.800 All right, my friend, keep up the fight and we'll keep in touch.

00:56:43.800 Hey, thanks, Ezra.

00:56:44.800 What a good guy.

00:56:45.800 Well, that's our show for today.

00:56:47.800 I'm actually pre-recording this today in real life.

00:56:51.800 I am going to be in London, England, just for 23 hours.

00:56:56.800 I land at 630 in the morning.

00:56:58.800 I go downtown and I live tweet the emergency hearing of Tommy Robinson, who is in the high court, to try and get out of solitary confinement, where it's an emergency hearing.

00:57:11.800 I'll be live tweeting that.

00:57:13.800 And then I'm coming home same day, not even staying in the hotel.

00:57:16.800 So I'll be back in the office tomorrow.

00:57:18.800 Until then, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, to you at home, good night.

00:57:23.800 Keep fighting for freedom.

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