Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Should it be a hate crime to criticize Theresa Tam or Anthony Fauci？

00:00:00.000 Hello, my rebels. I can't even believe it. Actually, I totally can believe it.

00:00:03.620 An academic journal is calling for it to be a hate crime to criticize Anthony Fauci.

00:00:08.940 Oh, I'll take you through it. I'll read lengthy excerpts of it, and I'll show you

00:00:12.840 what a real scientist sounds like. I'll introduce you to Dr. Richard Feynman,

00:00:17.060 who I think was a brilliant physicist, Nobel Prize winner, worked on the Manhattan Project.

00:00:21.200 And I'll tell you what he defines science as, very simple definition.

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00:01:04.040 want to watch the video side of these podcasts, we sure could use the helm. Thanks. Here's today's

00:01:09.220 podcast. Tonight, should it be a hate crime to criticize Teresa Tam or Anthony Fauci? One academic

00:01:30.540 thinks so. It's August 4th, and this is The Ezra Levant Show.

00:01:33.900 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:01:39.960 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:01:44.040 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:01:49.900 You know, one of the greatest scientists of the modern era, a Nobel Prize winner, Richard Feynman,

00:02:00.620 born in 1918, he worked on the Manhattan Project when he was in his 20s. Here's his ID badge for Los

00:02:07.940 Alamos. He was 23. Can you believe it? After the war, he became a great popularizer of science.

00:02:16.200 He once said, and listen to this carefully, science is the belief in the ignorance of the

00:02:24.420 experts. But hang on, wasn't he an expert? What on earth did he mean? I think he meant science as an

00:02:30.900 approach, an activity, a process, a way of thinking, a way of testing. It's not an end in itself. It's a

00:02:37.040 means to an end, the end being the truth. The scientific method is to come up with a guess,

00:02:41.960 let's call it a hypothesis, and then run an experiment to test it against the truth.

00:02:46.720 Here he is making that point himself.

00:02:48.960 Now I'm going to discuss how we would look for a new law. In general, we look for a new

00:02:54.440 law by the following process. First, we guess it. Then we, don't laugh, that's really true.

00:03:01.640 Then we compute the consequences of the guess to see what, if this is right, if this law that

00:03:08.280 we guessed is right, we see what it would imply, and then we compare those computation results

00:03:14.720 to nature. Or we say compare to experiment or experience. Compare it directly with observation

00:03:23.600 to see if it works. If it disagrees with experiment, it's wrong. In that simple statement is the key

00:03:37.120 to science. It doesn't make a difference how beautiful your guess is. It doesn't make a difference

00:03:41.200 how smart you are who made the guess or what his name is. If it disagrees with experiment,

00:03:47.280 it's wrong. That's all there is to it.

00:03:49.120 Do you see Feynman's point? If you believe that we already know everything, or if you believe that

00:03:54.480 the experts are infallible, you wouldn't challenge existing knowledge. You wouldn't test it or dispute it.

00:04:00.480 So, when you hold up a man, a flawed sinner like we all are, and say, this man is science. 0.92

00:04:08.560 That's all right. That's not science. Maybe that's a religion. Maybe more likely it's a superstition,

00:04:13.840 or a cult even. But take a listen to Anthony Fauci saying he is science.

00:04:21.760 It's very dangerous, Chuck, because a lot of what you're seeing as attacks on me, quite frankly,

00:04:29.040 are attacks on science. Because all of the things that I have spoken about consistently from the

00:04:35.520 very beginning have been fundamentally based on science. Yeah, he absolutely loves it. He's a

00:04:41.120 narcissist in the first order. He's a media hound. I really don't know how Fauci does any work at all.

00:04:46.640 All he does is go on TV. He's a pundit. But if you challenge him, if you believe he's ignorant,

00:04:53.440 well, you will be told he is science. No, big guy, you are not science. You are a 0.86

00:05:00.000 politician who seeks to remove himself from scrutiny or criticism by invoking science,

00:05:04.880 as a pope might invoke infallibility. Now, that works for believers in a religion,

00:05:10.720 but science is sort of the opposite of religion in many ways. Certainly, when we make it a practical

00:05:16.400 thing like dealing with the virus, imagine this man saying that criticizing him is tantamount to

00:05:23.440 criticizing science itself, to criticizing reason itself. People should not be walking around with

00:05:29.440 masks. Let me just state for the record that masks are not theater. Wearing a mask might make people

00:05:35.600 feel a little bit better. Masks are protective. But it's not providing the perfect protection that

00:05:41.600 people think that it is. There has not been any indication that putting a mask on and wearing a

00:05:47.280 mask for a considerable period of time has any deleterious effects. There are unintended consequences.

00:05:53.760 People keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face. And can you get some schmutz

00:05:58.560 sort of staying inside there? Of course. You do not need to wear a mask indoors if, in fact,

00:06:04.320 you've been vaccinated. Good that you're vaccinated. But in a situation where you have people indoors,

00:06:09.520 particularly crowded, you should wear a mask. So even if you are vaccinated, you should wear a mask. If

00:06:15.360 in fact you are vaccinated, fully vaccinated, you are protected and you do not need to wear a mask outdoors

00:06:21.280 or indoors. When the children go out into the community, you want them to continue to wear masks.

00:06:26.640 You know, if you look at children outside, particularly when they're with the family,

00:06:30.320 uh, walking down the street, playing a game or what have you, don't have to wear a mask.

00:06:36.000 The, the, the, the pediatric, the Academy of Pediatric actually makes that recommendation

00:06:40.720 that children should be wearing masks, uh, from two years old onward.

00:06:44.640 And you're asking now, if your child is a member of your household,

00:06:48.320 can you walk outdoors with your child without a mask? According to that chart, the answer is yes.

00:06:54.560 But the child can't not to beat it, beat it to death.

00:06:57.760 Yes. Yes. Because now the CDC says, I mean, I think I've got this right. One mask is better

00:07:02.960 than zero masks. Two masks is better than one mask, but you don't have to have double masks.

00:07:08.480 Is that right? I mean, you know, it became clear that cloth coverings that you didn't have to buy

00:07:13.680 in a store that you could make yourself were adequate and then you want it to fit better.

00:07:19.120 So one of the ways you could do it if you would like to is put a cloth mask over,

00:07:23.920 which actually here and here and here where you could get leakage in is much better contained.

00:07:31.120 Are you a double masker, Dr. Fauci? Look like you are.

00:07:34.880 Yeah. No, you're not the Pope and you're not much of a scientist, but I would like to hear more about

00:07:41.440 how he funded China's biological warfare research.

00:07:45.120 He doesn't dispute that he funded them. He just disputes that it was illegal.

00:07:51.200 Dr. Fauci, knowing that it is a crime to lie to Congress, do you wish to retract your statement

00:07:56.880 of May 11th where you claimed that the NIH never funded gain of function research in Wuhan?

00:08:02.000 Senator Paul, I have never lied before the Congress and I do not retract that statement.

00:08:09.760 This paper that you were referring to was judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not

00:08:18.240 being gain of function. What was, let me finish.

00:08:22.160 You take an animal virus and you increase its transmissibility to humans.

00:08:25.600 Right.

00:08:25.920 You're saying that's not gain of function?

00:08:27.360 Yeah, that is correct. And, and Senator Paul, you do not know what you are talking about,

00:08:32.320 quite frankly. And I want to say that officially. You do not know what you are talking about.

00:08:38.880 Okay. You get one person.

00:08:40.560 Let's read from the NIH.

00:08:41.600 Can I answer the question?

00:08:43.360 This is your definition that you guys wrote. It says that scientific research that increases the

00:08:50.160 transmility about transmissibility among animals is gain of function. They took animal viruses that 0.51

00:08:57.040 only occur in animals and they increase their transmissibility to humans. How you can say that

00:09:02.640 is not gain of function.

00:09:03.600 It is not.

00:09:04.160 It's a dance and you're dancing around this because you're trying to obscure responsibility

00:09:09.200 for 4 million people dying around the world from a pandemic.

00:09:12.560 Hey, I would like to hear more about Fauci from Fauci on that, but I'm with Feynman.

00:09:17.840 It's a form of Socrates, the philosopher, when he said that true wisdom comes from knowing that

00:09:22.880 you know nothing. When Feynman says challenge the experts, imagine the hubris and saying that you

00:09:27.760 know everything. That's not just the view of Fauci though. It's the view of the entire public

00:09:31.840 health establishment throughout this entire pandemic. And it's absolutely laughable given

00:09:36.480 how absurd their statements are. If you think Fauci is bad, get a load of all these little mini-me

00:09:42.800 Fauci's around the world. Here's three chief public health officers from different Australian states.

00:09:48.880 Just listen to them purely making it up. No talking. No being friends. Don't touch a soccer ball.

00:09:58.480 Just inventing things. But how dare you challenge them?

00:10:02.000 Think about whether you need to do online shopping this week. Do you need those people out in the

00:10:12.880 community delivering packages and things? Maybe just leave them for a week. And click and collect. Do you

00:10:20.240 really need that furniture that I know you can go and click and collect, which is safer,

00:10:25.280 absolutely, than going into the store. We're looking at the seating at the moment and of course we're

00:10:31.680 looking at the ball. Because sometimes the ball, not that I've been to many football games, I have

00:10:36.720 noticed occasionally it does get kicked into the crowd. And we are working through the details of

00:10:42.560 what that will mean. If you are at Adelaide Oval and the ball comes towards you, my advice to you is

00:10:48.640 to duck and just do not touch that ball. We leave our house that anyone with us and anyone we come into

00:10:54.720 contact with could convey the virus. So whilst it is in human nature to engage in conversation with

00:11:04.560 others, to be friendly, unfortunately this is not the time to do that. So even if you run into your next

00:11:12.560 door neighbor, in the shopping center, in the Coles, while you're at Coles Wars or Aldi or any other

00:11:20.000 grocery shop, don't start up a conversation. Yeah, no, can I get a bit of that Feynman truth

00:11:25.680 again? Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts. You betcha. Or I might say it's the

00:11:31.360 belief that experts can be wrong and that a true expert would like to know he's wrong, actually,

00:11:37.120 and would actually invite criticism. It's hard to admit you're wrong. As Shakespeare said in Much

00:11:41.840 Ado About Nothing, happy are they that hear their detractions and can put them to mending.

00:11:48.720 He said it as a joke. People hate being proved wrong. But if you're strong enough and self-confident

00:11:55.680 enough and noble enough, you can bear it and maybe even improve by it. But not if you love being on TV

00:12:00.720 too much, if you love power too much. And say if you, I don't know, work for a billion-dollar drug company that

00:12:06.080 wants to keep things going just the way they are right now. But look at this story. Look at this.

00:12:13.760 Scientific journal papers suggest making it a federal hate crime to criticize Fauci.

00:12:19.520 That's a story in the National Pulse. I'll read. A scientific journal article

00:12:24.320 authored by Professor Peter Hotez, a frequent guest on corporate media networks, called to, quote,

00:12:30.720 extend federal hate crime protections for scientists facing criticism from alleged far-right extremists,

00:12:36.880 according to National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases director Anthony Fauci.

00:12:44.880 Now, it's true. I couldn't believe it. But I looked up the original scholarly paper.

00:12:49.200 I wonder what Dr. Feynman, if he were still around, would say about all these journals that are just

00:12:56.080 politics dressed up as science. Mounting anti-science aggression in the United States. Oh, wow.

00:13:04.320 There is a troubling new expansion of anti-science aggression in the United States.

00:13:07.920 It's arising from far-right extremism, including some elected members of the U.S. Congress,

00:13:14.960 and conservative news outlets that target prominent biological scientists fighting the COVID-19 pandemic.

00:13:22.480 Well, is that a scientific term, far-right extremism? I wonder how many genders 1.00

00:13:27.680 scientist Peter Hotez thinks there are. I wonder if he believes in science or in politics. I'm kidding.

00:13:34.880 I already know. And by the way, I can tell you as many people on the left opposed this new science-y

00:13:40.400 corporate lockdown cult as people on the right do, just ask Naomi Wolf or Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

00:13:47.280 A band of ultra-conservative members of the U.S. Congress and other public officials with far-right leanings

00:13:53.840 are waging organized and seemingly well-coordinated attacks against prominent U.S. biological scientists.

00:13:59.840 In parallel, conservative news outlets repeatedly and purposefully promote disinformation designed

00:14:06.240 to portray key American scientists as enemies. Okay, so we know if he thinks there are ultra-conservative

00:14:14.320 members of Congress. We know if that's what he thinks. We know where he's positioned himself. He's

00:14:19.920 on the far left himself. He posits a conspiracy theory that there's some sort of coordination to

00:14:26.240 this, like some master control switch or something, because it's impossible for this scientician to

00:14:32.960 believe that people would naturally and on their own possibly be critical of the biggest civil

00:14:38.000 liberties attack in our history. I love that one line, purposely promote disinformation. Again,

00:14:43.440 he just cannot believe that anyone would truly disagree with him. So they must knowingly be lying,

00:14:49.360 not actually expressing an alternative point of view. I don't think he's very science-y. I don't think he

00:14:53.520 follows Feynman's rule. And then he plays the victim, which is unusual for a scientician. 0.96

00:14:59.680 As a consequence, many of us receive threats via email and on social media, while some are

00:15:05.760 stalked at home to create an unprecedented culture of anti-science intimidation.

00:15:11.840 Now, I've had a few death threats in my life that were real enough and scary enough that I

00:15:16.800 believed they were a risk. And I know what I did. I called the police. And in one case,

00:15:24.000 the police called me to tell me about it. And I know what I didn't do. I didn't write a long

00:15:31.040 academic paper about it and publish it to the world in some sort of pity party. That's just not how it

00:15:37.440 really is if you're really scared, as opposed to just being a cry-bully, a thin-skinned, dish-it-out-but-can't-take-a-critic.

00:15:44.160 This isn't science. This is punditry. But here's what this guy considered to be a hate crime.

00:15:51.680 In June, the Republicans organized a House Select Subcommittee on the origins of COVID-19

00:15:58.000 with the presumption that it was ignited by gain-of-function genetic engineering research

00:16:03.200 from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Despite evidence pointing to spillover from a viral infection

00:16:09.200 in bats to additional mammals and ultimately humans accounting for previous coronavirus epidemics,

00:16:14.720 the hearings took on a sinister tone, pointing fingers at virologists both in the U.S. and China.

00:16:20.960 Got it. So there was a sinister tone. Yeah, I think so, given that we're talking about funding biological

00:16:28.480 warfare research in China. I'd call that sinister. A disease that has killed millions and destroyed our 0.98

00:16:34.800 freeway of life. Yeah, these are sinister issues. But you see, he's trying to shut down that scientific

00:16:41.280 process of inquiry that Feynman talked about. Have a hypothesis and test it. He does not want his

00:16:46.800 hypothesis tested. Alongside the June Republican COVID-19 origins hearing, Senator Ron Johnson

00:16:55.920 organized a roundtable in Milwaukee to highlight the rare adverse side effects from COVID-19 vaccines.

00:17:02.160 Okay, so help me out. Is it science-y to talk about side effects or does science say we can't

00:17:09.600 talk about it? Is this guy saying side effects don't happen or that you can only talk about them in a

00:17:15.600 certain way or only the right people can talk about it? And shouldn't this whole thing here

00:17:20.000 be in a private diary as opposed to an academic paper? During a June 2021 interview with the staunchly

00:17:27.680 conservative Florida governor, a Fox News anchor referred to me as infamous and notorious.

00:17:35.840 Infamous, notorious. Those are adjectives, they're criticisms. But illegal hate crimes?

00:17:43.600 Hey, buddy, you just called the people you hate a bunch of names, but they can't call you names back?

00:17:50.960 Is that science? Is that what this is about in the scientific journal? The American for the

00:17:58.400 America first element of the far right focuses on nativism, anti-immigration, and a foreign policy

00:18:04.240 built around strong military buildup and deterrence and confrontation with China. I thought we were

00:18:10.000 talking about a virus. You're talking about Trump now and foreign policy? He goes on to talk about Hitler

00:18:17.120 and Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil. Frankly, it was a roller coaster of emotions. I really felt like I was

00:18:24.160 reading a personal diary and I shouldn't be learning so much about his feelings. He was just oversharing.

00:18:30.800 But then this scientist came up with his advice, which you can't criticize because then you're criticizing

00:18:37.520 science itself, you see. We should look at expanded protection mechanisms for scientists currently

00:18:44.800 targeted by far right extremism in the United States. Representative Paul Tonko has introduced

00:18:50.800 a bill known as the Scientific Integrity Act of 2021 to protect U.S. government scientists from

00:18:55.360 political interference. But this needs to be extended for scientists at private research universities and

00:19:00.160 institutes. Still another possibility is to extend federal hate crime protections. Got it. Are you sure that this

00:19:10.400 is all science? To protect you from criticism? Isn't criticism an essential part of science? Isn't it, in fact,

00:19:20.720 the basis of all science? As Feynman said, the process of doubting everything, everyone, especially the experts.

00:19:30.320 He makes one last mention of the Holocaust. As Nobel Laureate and Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel once

00:19:37.920 pointed out, neutrality or silence favors the oppressor. We must take steps to protect our

00:19:43.280 scientists and take swift and positive action to counter the growing wave of far-right anti-science

00:19:48.080 aggression. Not taking action is a tacit endorsement and a guarantee that the integrity and productivity of

00:19:53.520 science in the United States will be eroded or lose ground. Now, I'm not sure if any violence has been

00:19:58.640 done to any scientist in America. And obviously, I'm against violence. But of all the people I've

00:20:04.080 mentioned here, the only one who was brutally attacked was Republican Senator Rand Paul.

00:20:11.440 Fauci's critic was attacked. He was attacked and had his ribs broken, serious injuries by a left-wing

00:20:17.680 Trump hater. Anti-science aggression. You know, I think the anti-science aggression

00:20:24.160 is coming from this snowflake who wants to shut up everyone who disagrees with him. It's a laugh.

00:20:32.320 It's embarrassing. It's a joke. It's not science. But you know what? He's actually getting his way.

00:20:41.520 Stay with us for more.

00:20:55.680 I cannot wait. That is so exciting. And the thing is, it is so exciting.

00:21:16.560 I cannot wait. That is so exciting.

00:21:24.340 And the thing is, it is stranger than fiction.

00:21:26.960 If someone were to say that the son of the president has dirty deals with the former mayor of Moscow,

00:21:34.540 with Ukrainian natural gas companies, with Chinese oligarchs in the Communist Party,

00:21:39.740 someone would say, no, no one would believe it. Come on, you have to be more nuanced.

00:21:43.820 And then if you said a newspaper, one of the oldest in America, the New York Post,

00:21:48.320 tried to talk about this in the election, and they were censored,

00:21:52.600 people would say, no, that's too on the nose. That's not going to happen.

00:21:56.020 And there was a hard drive with not only photos and emails, 0.77

00:22:00.180 but videos of hunters smoking crack with prostitutes. No, that's impossible. 0.79

00:22:06.040 This is a story stranger than fiction, and yet it is barely told.

00:22:11.040 It is muffled when people try to tell it.

00:22:14.980 But luckily, Hollywood's dissident filmmaker, Phelan McAleer, is on the case,

00:22:22.300 and you know that he will tell the story that others won't.

00:22:25.620 What a pleasure to have producer Phelan with us today.

00:22:28.400 Phelan, we've talked about My Son Hunter before, when you were just starting it.

00:22:34.040 Looks like you've had some great success so far crowdfunding it, but you're not quite done.

00:22:38.760 Tell us how you've been doing. Yeah, well, we've hit a million.

00:22:42.300 We're at $1,050,000 now, I think. We still have to get another $750,000.

00:22:48.880 But people have been amazing. I think we've got 10,000 small donations.

00:22:52.220 Many of them, we always notice a boom after we come on your show, Ezra,

00:22:57.420 because, funny enough, Canadians care about the truth.

00:23:00.680 I think they've seen the truth being suppressed so much in their own country

00:23:03.920 that they recognize us when they see it.

00:23:06.460 So, no, we've had great success.

00:23:08.540 This movie's going to happen.

00:23:09.740 We're going to be filming in Serbia, which will double as the Ukraine.

00:23:13.800 We're going to start filming in mid-October.

00:23:16.360 So it's going to be great. It's going to happen.

00:23:18.840 And, you know, we've got lots of great news happening as well.

00:23:21.920 Well, I just heard that you signed on a big-name director.

00:23:25.620 And that's the thing. Anyone can make sort of a homemade movie.

00:23:29.080 But to tap into the kind of actual Hollywood A-listers,

00:23:33.620 I'm talking about celebrities that everyone knows by sight.

00:23:38.140 So Robert Davi, who's got to be in more than 100 movies,

00:23:42.180 and very famous movies.

00:23:44.020 I mean, Die Hard, obviously, a Christmas favorite.

00:23:46.940 Robert Davi signed on as a director.

00:23:49.580 That's a guy, that is a serious Hollywood player.

00:23:52.760 I'm impressed that he's got the courage to be an outsider 1.00

00:23:57.280 in a town that's like 95% Democrat.

00:24:01.360 Yeah, well, there are courageous people out there.

00:24:03.740 Yeah, Robert, he's been in everything from The Goonies

00:24:05.620 to The Expendables to Die Hard.

00:24:08.280 He's directed his own movies also.

00:24:11.280 I mean, to be honest, I told him this yesterday.

00:24:13.580 I said, I almost didn't send him, make him an offer

00:24:17.160 because I thought he wouldn't be interested.

00:24:18.700 I thought that's how, you know, how Hollywood he was.

00:24:21.700 He said, no, but this would be something

00:24:23.940 that he wouldn't be interested in.

00:24:26.180 Boy, he grabbed it.

00:24:27.160 It's one of the quickest yeses in Hollywood.

00:24:29.040 He's really excited by the project.

00:24:30.880 He wants to tell the truth.

00:24:33.080 He thinks this story, he says this story

00:24:35.100 is bigger than Watergate.

00:24:36.960 You have the president dealing with China.

00:24:40.120 You have the president getting money

00:24:41.440 from deals with the Ukraine.

00:24:43.140 You have the president getting 10%

00:24:44.720 from deals with the mayor of Moscow's wife.

00:24:47.400 And the media don't want to touch this.

00:24:49.040 So he wants to tell it, but, you know,

00:24:51.380 obviously, you know, he's from Hollywood

00:24:53.800 and I'm from Ireland, so we know all about addictions.

00:24:56.600 So we're not going to be making fun

00:24:57.740 of Hunter's addictions.

00:24:59.020 Okay, a little bit.

00:24:59.960 But, you know, it's not about his addictions.

00:25:02.420 It's why this person got these deals at that time.

00:25:06.600 And it was because of the Biden name

00:25:08.080 and it was because of the influence

00:25:09.440 that Joe Biden could bring to the table.

00:25:11.540 And boy, did he bring influence to the table.

00:25:13.940 Yeah.

00:25:14.340 Well, that's the thing.

00:25:15.240 And I really appreciate that point.

00:25:17.060 I mean, we can make a lot of fun of him

00:25:18.600 for being a drug addict and smoking crack,

00:25:20.900 especially given that his dad, Joe Biden,

00:25:23.100 took such a hard line against drug dealers.

00:25:25.480 But listen, it's a problem.

00:25:27.760 You could call it a health issue,

00:25:28.920 whatever you want to call it.

00:25:30.020 But that's not the reason people are mad at Hunter Biden.

00:25:33.020 They're mad.

00:25:33.500 Even to this day, he does these childish artworks

00:25:37.560 and he sells them for half a million bucks

00:25:39.700 to secret buyers.

00:25:41.300 That's another way of saying money laundering.

00:25:43.020 If a Chinese buyer gave a half a million dollar

00:25:46.200 to Hunter as a gift,

00:25:48.800 people would say you're bribing him.

00:25:50.260 But to buy some art for half a million dollars,

00:25:54.120 that's legalized, that's money laundering.

00:25:57.040 Yeah, of course.

00:25:58.000 I mean, Hunter was on a podcast at the weekend saying,

00:26:02.160 and it was an arts podcast,

00:26:03.660 and the art elitists were saying, 0.97

00:26:04.980 oh, no, that's ridiculous.

00:26:06.100 Nobody ever uses art for money laundering. 0.85

00:26:10.380 That's not just the way it works.

00:26:11.580 And I'm going, have you seen,

00:26:13.440 the New York Times a few weeks ago

00:26:14.940 wrote a long piece about how drug dealers,

00:26:18.880 police are raiding houses,

00:26:20.880 finding drugs, cash, and Picassos on the wall

00:26:23.700 because it's a really great way of spending money

00:26:27.300 and getting a very valuable small thing

00:26:29.840 that's easy to store.

00:26:32.540 And it doesn't have to be registered.

00:26:34.900 Unlike a luxury car,

00:26:36.360 there's no registration book.

00:26:37.820 There's no papers.

00:26:38.540 Unlike a house,

00:26:40.140 there's no real estate transactions.

00:26:43.760 So it's the favorite way of laundering money.

00:26:47.180 So that's why we're making My Son Hunter the movie

00:26:49.140 is to expose this madness.

00:26:52.160 I mean, and by the way,

00:26:52.940 the White House is saying,

00:26:54.360 oh, Hunter's decided not to know who buys his paintings.

00:26:57.840 Well, okay, he won't know who buys his paintings.

00:27:00.000 That doesn't stop the new owner

00:27:01.720 going on Facebook and saying,

00:27:03.180 look, I just bought this.

00:27:04.560 Hunter, 500,000. 1.00

00:27:06.180 So it's stupid. 1.00

00:27:09.060 Yeah. 1.00

00:27:09.360 The website is mysonhunter.com.

00:27:11.820 Last time we spoke, Phil,

00:27:13.220 I asked you who you were considering for the lead role.

00:27:16.700 And you mentioned one guy who I admire,

00:27:19.780 Lawrence Fox,

00:27:21.160 comes from an acting family.

00:27:23.080 He's in the UK.

00:27:24.500 Now, I remember he was running for mayor.

00:27:26.120 He didn't win.

00:27:27.700 Are you at liberty to say

00:27:29.040 if you filled the position of Hunter,

00:27:31.840 that would be a hell of a role?

00:27:33.280 We are very close to filling that role.

00:27:36.000 We have not signed a dotted line.

00:27:38.500 And until you sign the dotted line,

00:27:40.180 you know, in Hollywood,

00:27:41.560 they say, you know,

00:27:42.080 until the money's in the bank,

00:27:43.420 don't denounce it because there's a lot of slips.

00:27:46.060 So that's where we are at the moment.

00:27:48.220 We're very close to one particular person

00:27:50.460 that I can't say at the moment.

00:27:51.920 And they've asked us not to say

00:27:53.240 until we've signed the dotted line.

00:27:55.700 But we have some very, very, very interesting

00:27:59.900 casting announcements coming up.

00:28:02.460 And, you know,

00:28:03.320 it's going to be a lot of fun making this movie.

00:28:06.040 Because telling the truth is fun.

00:28:07.580 Telling the truth is liberating.

00:28:10.060 And people have been really,

00:28:11.180 and there's a real appetite for it.

00:28:12.300 That's why people have been going to our website

00:28:13.940 and giving money.

00:28:15.180 10,000 people giving small donations.

00:28:17.560 And many of them your listeners and your viewers.

00:28:20.040 I think I gave 100 bucks last time you were on.

00:28:22.120 I'm going to do that again today

00:28:23.380 because I want this told.

00:28:24.540 And, you know,

00:28:25.200 I want to tell you exactly why I'm doing it.

00:28:27.640 I mean, I'm a fan of yours, Phelan.

00:28:29.060 I have been for a long time.

00:28:30.600 But when I saw how Twitter,

00:28:32.460 the social media giant,

00:28:34.820 censored the New York Post

00:28:36.400 for trying to even report the news,

00:28:39.300 I was so angry.

00:28:40.840 So I'm going to donate $100 to your film.

00:28:44.560 And it's in the name of

00:28:46.400 fighting against the censors.

00:28:48.380 And I looked forward to how you tell this story.

00:28:50.760 Now, let me ask you this.

00:28:51.760 You got a fair-sized budget.

00:28:55.040 You got some big names as a director.

00:28:57.540 And I can hardly wait to hear

00:28:58.740 who plays that starring role.

00:29:00.940 How will people be able to see the final product?

00:29:04.400 Do you expect to get it picked up by,

00:29:07.280 would they even consider it at a Netflix

00:29:09.420 or something like that?

00:29:10.780 Or Amazon Prime?

00:29:12.820 How can someone watch this thing when it's done?

00:29:17.700 Well, they should.

00:29:18.840 They should pick it up.

00:29:19.960 I mean, they spent $40 million

00:29:22.660 on a miniseries called The Comey Rule,

00:29:25.440 which was actually about a hoax.

00:29:27.060 It was about the Russia hoax. 0.70

00:29:28.840 It was based on a document

00:29:30.140 written by a drunken former MI5 agent

00:29:33.660 or MI6 or whatever,

00:29:35.580 or MI whatever you want to call it, agent.

00:29:38.300 You know, based on drunken tittle-tattle.

00:29:41.480 And they had a miniseries

00:29:43.500 with all the Hollywood's great and good

00:29:45.480 for $40 million.

00:29:47.040 So, you know, they should pick this up

00:29:49.200 because this is an actual story.

00:29:50.560 This is about real deals done in real countries

00:29:53.680 with real people involving,

00:29:56.060 and Hunter says,

00:29:57.180 we're cutting the big guy in for 10%

00:29:58.860 and his business partner said,

00:30:00.300 the big guy was Joe Biden.

00:30:02.640 So they should pick it up.

00:30:04.340 They probably won't.

00:30:05.140 We're going to distribute it free

00:30:06.380 on the internet.

00:30:08.100 Free, put it on YouTube.

00:30:09.640 If YouTube take it down,

00:30:10.940 we're going to then set up our own server

00:30:12.320 and put it out for free

00:30:13.580 so that people can see it for free.

00:30:15.520 Yeah.

00:30:15.860 Well, listen, I've learned so much from you,

00:30:17.900 not just about the content of your movies.

00:30:20.720 I mean, Frack Nation really taught me 1.00

00:30:23.400 about fracking,

00:30:24.220 and it set me on, you know,

00:30:25.900 my own course of study on that subject.

00:30:29.220 You know, you've just done some amazing work.

00:30:31.160 That, I'll always remember that film.

00:30:33.500 And even how you crowdfund,

00:30:36.100 you gave us at Rebel News the confidence

00:30:38.740 that we could actually build a company

00:30:40.860 through, as long as we kept our promises

00:30:43.660 to our donors.

00:30:44.560 That's the key.

00:30:45.820 And I want to say this.

00:30:46.900 I mean, folks know you

00:30:48.040 because we've had you on

00:30:49.100 probably 10 times over the years,

00:30:51.500 you or your colleagues.

00:30:53.120 And the only way it works

00:30:55.920 in the crowdfunding business,

00:30:57.200 and I can say this having built a company on it,

00:31:00.120 is if you keep your promises

00:31:01.480 and you, Phelan, have kept your promises,

00:31:04.220 whether it's the Gosnell movie

00:31:05.680 or Frack Nation 0.98

00:31:07.540 or Mind Your Own Business,

00:31:10.300 which was even before that.

00:31:11.900 And so that's why I feel comfortable

00:31:13.460 chipping in 100 bucks

00:31:14.600 because I know you're going to do it,

00:31:16.240 and I know it's going to be Hollywood quality.

00:31:18.400 So I'm really excited.

00:31:19.720 I'm always glad when you call me

00:31:21.420 because I know that you've got something

00:31:22.980 that our viewers are really going to like.

00:31:25.400 So I'm going to go to mysonhunter.com.

00:31:28.060 It's 100 bucks,

00:31:29.100 but if enough people chip in 100 bucks,

00:31:31.920 we'll get there, Phelan.

00:31:33.680 Oh, yeah.

00:31:34.040 No, no, listen.

00:31:34.980 If 1,000 people give 100 bucks,

00:31:39.040 it's amazing.

00:31:41.800 We're filming in Serbia.

00:31:42.980 Things are cheap,

00:31:43.680 but they're not that cheap.

00:31:44.840 But $100,000, $200,000

00:31:47.220 goes a long way there.

00:31:49.040 And we need your help.

00:31:51.380 It's a marathon,

00:31:52.100 not a sprint to get

00:31:53.060 to that crowdfunding total.

00:31:54.520 You know that, too.

00:31:55.360 You just got to keep asking.

00:31:56.980 But you're right.

00:31:58.000 You've got to deliver.

00:31:59.040 Funny, there's so many,

00:32:00.560 you know, and let's be honest,

00:32:01.360 so many conservative groupings

00:32:02.880 that get funding

00:32:04.460 and then don't deliver.

00:32:06.400 And they really let down the rest of us.

00:32:08.800 And we,

00:32:10.880 I hope we over-deliver.

00:32:12.740 I think we over-deliver.

00:32:13.880 We always want to do,

00:32:15.380 we don't want to make a conservative movie.

00:32:17.080 We want to make a great movie.

00:32:18.520 Yeah.

00:32:19.360 Well, I think you have.

00:32:20.720 And we really like what you do.

00:32:23.300 And the fact that you have the courage

00:32:25.440 to be a rebel,

00:32:27.440 if I can use that word,

00:32:28.800 in Hollywood,

00:32:29.960 I know how the peer pressure is,

00:32:32.220 the marginalization.

00:32:33.520 They try to push you out.

00:32:34.820 You refuse to leave.

00:32:36.560 And you run circles around them

00:32:38.420 for 1% of the budget.

00:32:40.300 The 40 million bucks

00:32:41.440 they ran on that propaganda movie,

00:32:43.480 the Comey story.

00:32:46.180 I mean, if you had 1% of that,

00:32:48.720 the work you could do.

00:32:50.240 Great to see you.

00:32:51.040 So mysonhunter.com,

00:32:52.900 I look forward to,

00:32:53.800 you say you're filming

00:32:54.540 as soon as October.

00:32:55.640 Very exciting.

00:32:56.740 So probably a spring 2022 release.

00:32:59.180 Is that what you're looking at?

00:33:00.280 Yeah.

00:33:00.700 That's right.

00:33:01.260 Yeah.

00:33:01.460 Great.

00:33:01.740 Well, keep us posted.

00:33:03.120 It's pretty much.

00:33:03.800 I mean,

00:33:04.080 have it wrapped in a bowl

00:33:05.240 and then we push it out,

00:33:06.520 you know,

00:33:06.760 but I hope,

00:33:08.080 you know,

00:33:08.480 yes,

00:33:09.040 absolutely,

00:33:09.560 spring.

00:33:10.400 Maybe we can even host

00:33:11.680 a premiere in Canada

00:33:13.920 when you're ready for that.

00:33:15.500 We'll talk later,

00:33:16.260 but we could probably

00:33:16.980 fill some theaters.

00:33:18.320 I think people will be very excited.

00:33:19.680 Maybe even have you

00:33:20.520 as a filmmaker come up.

00:33:21.720 I won't pressure you now,

00:33:22.940 but we can talk later.

00:33:24.400 Try and hold me back.

00:33:26.200 Right on.

00:33:27.060 There he is,

00:33:27.760 Phelan McLear,

00:33:28.620 producer,

00:33:29.560 Robert Davi,

00:33:30.500 the director,

00:33:31.520 the film,

00:33:32.360 mysonhunter.com.

00:33:33.840 I'm chipping in 100 bucks.

00:33:35.700 Phelan's the original

00:33:36.460 crowdfunding creator.

00:33:38.280 He taught us everything we know

00:33:39.700 about how to build a company

00:33:41.260 to contradict the establishment.

00:33:43.960 I'm grateful to him for it.

00:33:45.220 Stay with us.

00:33:46.380 More ahead.

00:33:46.800 Hey,

00:33:59.140 welcome back on my show

00:33:59.900 last night.

00:34:00.420 James writes,

00:34:01.700 O'Toole is a joke,

00:34:02.620 and this is coming from

00:34:03.420 a longtime conservative voter.

00:34:05.700 You know,

00:34:06.220 I just don't know

00:34:07.480 what the difference is

00:34:08.180 between Aaron O'Toole

00:34:09.260 and the Liberal Party

00:34:10.100 on any of my key issues.

00:34:11.640 Carbon tax,

00:34:14.680 just he's fully in favor of it.

00:34:17.940 Culture wars,

00:34:18.980 he de-platforms anyone

00:34:20.180 he doesn't like,

00:34:21.180 and he even cooks up

00:34:22.040 excuses for it.

00:34:24.460 This censorship bill,

00:34:26.300 this proto-bill

00:34:27.300 released by Stephen Gilboa,

00:34:28.980 not a word from O'Toole

00:34:30.900 or his critic,

00:34:32.200 really not opposing

00:34:33.820 any elements of the lockdown.

00:34:35.260 I'm just trying to see

00:34:36.440 if there's any meaningful

00:34:38.160 difference between O'Toole

00:34:39.320 and Trudeau,

00:34:40.000 and I'm not being obtuse here.

00:34:41.820 If there is some

00:34:42.440 important difference,

00:34:43.140 you've got to let me know,

00:34:44.020 because I don't see it.

00:34:44.860 Open borders, 0.65

00:34:45.440 immigration.

00:34:46.360 Is there any difference?

00:34:47.420 Like,

00:34:47.580 help me out here.

00:34:49.720 Bill writes,

00:34:50.940 Ezra,

00:34:51.300 the PPC lover,

00:34:52.300 can't resist attacking O'Toole

00:34:53.580 and then will criticize him

00:34:55.040 if the CPC lose the election.

00:34:57.020 All to the benefit of Trudeau.

00:34:58.560 Well done,

00:34:59.220 LeFant.

00:35:00.800 You know,

00:35:01.640 I don't think the PPC

00:35:03.000 is going to win.

00:35:03.660 In fact,

00:35:04.000 I don't think they're going to win

00:35:04.860 a single seat,

00:35:05.460 although I do like

00:35:06.060 Maxine Bernier.

00:35:07.180 I like Derek Sloan too,

00:35:08.300 and it sounds like

00:35:08.800 he's starting his own party.

00:35:10.440 I think we're in a mess

00:35:11.760 on the conservative side

00:35:12.860 of the ledger,

00:35:13.840 but I think saying

00:35:15.080 that Aaron O'Toole

00:35:15.800 is conservative,

00:35:16.980 I just don't see

00:35:17.960 the conservative part.

00:35:20.660 And do I think

00:35:22.080 that Aaron O'Toole

00:35:22.720 would be less awful

00:35:23.860 than Justin Trudeau?

00:35:26.580 I suppose,

00:35:27.740 just as a personality,

00:35:30.100 or maybe just

00:35:30.780 mucking out the stables

00:35:32.200 every once in 10 years

00:35:33.440 is a good idea

00:35:34.220 just to change the party,

00:35:35.780 but it's just swapping

00:35:36.900 one set of cronies

00:35:37.860 for another.

00:35:38.260 The policies won't change.

00:35:41.580 I just don't see

00:35:43.100 the difference,

00:35:43.840 and I'm not trying 0.94

00:35:44.720 to play dumb. 0.87

00:35:45.500 You got your carbon tax, 1.00

00:35:46.560 you got your open borders

00:35:47.300 immigration,

00:35:47.940 you got your lockdowns,

00:35:49.100 you got your censorship.

00:35:52.060 What's the difference?

00:35:53.000 Again,

00:35:53.160 I'm supposed to like

00:35:53.900 a blue team

00:35:55.300 of lobbyists

00:35:56.200 and hacks

00:35:56.680 instead of a red team.

00:35:58.560 I think if we actually

00:35:59.620 had a conservative

00:36:00.500 actually running

00:36:01.500 as a conservative,

00:36:03.300 we'd stand a chance.

00:36:04.480 really,

00:36:05.440 why should anyone

00:36:06.020 get off their couch

00:36:06.820 to vote for this guy?

00:36:08.580 It's my view.

00:36:09.880 Until tomorrow,

00:36:11.700 on behalf of all of us

00:36:12.700 here at Rebel World

00:36:13.320 Headquarters,

00:36:13.840 to you at home,

00:36:14.280 good night.

00:36:16.200 Keep fighting for freedom.

00:36:17.160 Until then,

00:36:18.000 we'll see you next time.

00:36:20.140 We'll be right back.

Rebel News Podcast - August 05, 2021

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Should it be a hate crime to criticize Theresa Tam or Anthony Fauci？

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