Rebel News Podcast - Ezra Levant Show June 05 2018

00:00:00.000 Tonight, Miss America will no longer judge contestants based on their appearance.

00:00:04.800 Finally, I've got a chance.

00:00:06.800 It's June 5th, and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:15.020 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:18.780 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:22.520 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:25.500 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it,

00:00:29.480 is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:36.220 What is a beauty pageant without beauty? 1.00

00:00:39.840 I don't know. I don't think it's a thing anymore.

00:00:42.680 It reminds me of the phrase in the book of Matthew in the Bible

00:00:46.100 about salt that has lost its saltiness.

00:00:50.140 It's nothing. It's like water that's not wet. That's just not a thing.

00:00:54.760 I'm talking about the announcement that Miss America will no longer have a swimsuit competition

00:00:59.140 not just that. They won't be judged on appearance at all.

00:01:04.200 That's what their new boss says.

00:01:07.080 It's not just the swimsuits. It's physical appearance.

00:01:09.840 That is now gone.

00:01:12.220 Here's Gretchen Carlson, who runs Miss America, with the announcement. 0.99

00:01:15.460 We are no longer a pageant. We are a competition.

00:01:19.000 We will no longer judge our candidates on their outward physical appearance.

00:01:24.460 That's huge.

00:01:27.240 Huge. Oh, that's my chance.

00:01:31.120 I've never really had the figure.

00:01:33.140 That's code for I'm fat.

00:01:36.060 But I've got a chance now, since looks are out.

00:01:38.800 So, here's a tweet by the Miss America pageant with a very short video in it.

00:01:44.540 It's going poof, as you see, up in smoke.

00:01:48.020 Yeah. I mean, who knows?

00:01:49.460 Maybe people will tune into a beauty pageant without the beauty part. 1.00

00:01:53.860 Or maybe that puff of smoke is just a lot of investors' money just evaporating.

00:01:58.220 Maybe we could have the Indy 500 without all that driving part.

00:02:02.160 I'm just brainstorming here.

00:02:04.240 Now, the Miss America bosses say it's not a pageant at all anymore.

00:02:08.120 It's now a competition.

00:02:10.660 Well, okay.

00:02:11.860 TV is full of those.

00:02:13.080 There's a ton of them.

00:02:14.360 American Idol, Canadian Idol.

00:02:16.340 They really got the ball rolling.

00:02:17.940 America's Got Talent, X Factor, whatever.

00:02:20.700 I don't watch any of them.

00:02:21.680 I don't watch Miss America.

00:02:23.320 Reality TV, talent shows.

00:02:24.860 I think all this is now is Miss America is just another talent show, but only for women. 0.99

00:02:33.140 I mean, will prettiness even be a factor anymore?

00:02:35.740 If so, how will it be measured?

00:02:37.720 If not, then what exactly is this besides a weirdly named talent show?

00:02:42.680 I don't think Miss America is sexist, by the way. 1.00

00:02:45.340 I tried to find viewer demographics for its audience, and I wasn't successful.

00:02:48.960 I found the age.

00:02:49.600 But my instinct, my hunch, is that far more women watch Miss America than men do.

00:02:55.800 The show is often up against football games on other channels, so I'm guessing men watch

00:03:00.340 the football, women watch the pageant. 0.56

00:03:02.660 It's my observation that men like to look at attractive women, of course, but women really 1.00

00:03:08.060 like to look at attractive women and rate them and measure them as judges and judge them 0.88

00:03:12.980 as a pageant tends to do, either in a mean way or an admiring way. 0.83

00:03:18.720 I mean, who do you think follows Kim Kardashian on Twitter?

00:03:21.920 It's overwhelmingly women. 1.00

00:03:23.640 She gives makeup tips and fashion tips.

00:03:26.420 Men don't want that. 1.00

00:03:27.240 I mean, if men want to look at Kim Kardashian, they're not going to watch her reality show. 0.56

00:03:31.860 Maybe they'll watch a video of her in a different form. 0.80

00:03:34.640 In fact, for decades, Miss America has been about empowering young women, about role models

00:03:40.700 for young women, and prizes, including scholarships, ways for women to improve their lives, an example,

00:03:47.860 a system, a pageant system, from the grassroots up, city by city, state by state, and then Miss 0.99

00:03:52.840 America at the top.

00:03:53.780 And everyone in the system practices a talent and poise and looking good, which usually means

00:03:59.260 making the most of what God gives you, which usually includes being fit physically, which

00:04:05.260 usually means exercising.

00:04:06.740 That's a good thing, right?

00:04:08.200 I mean, rocking a swimsuit could be done in a sexual way, or it could be the ultimate proof

00:04:13.080 that you're mentally and physically at your best.

00:04:16.160 It's partly genetics, of course, but it's a large part effort and discipline, isn't it?

00:04:22.000 Well, that's gone now.

00:04:23.920 There are a lot of jokes you can make about a beauty pageant without the beauty part.

00:04:28.240 I mean, maybe Miss America itself still hasn't reformed enough. 0.99

00:04:33.740 The Miss part implies you have to be young and unmarried. 0.83

00:04:37.460 Why the ageism?

00:04:39.520 Why can't a grandma participate, especially since it's not about stereotyping beauty anymore? 1.00

00:04:45.360 And America, Miss America, why so xenophobic?

00:04:49.000 Why not foreigners too?

00:04:50.840 And the most obvious part, the sexism.

00:04:54.000 I'm not joking so much anymore, of course, not in the age of transgenderism. 1.00

00:04:59.260 I mean, it's a competition, right?

00:05:01.020 That's what the new boss said.

00:05:03.020 Well, there are a lot of women's competitions that are now being cracked open. 1.00

00:05:07.260 Here's a women's competition that is allowing a man to join. 1.00

00:05:11.440 It's mixed martial arts, and that guy says he's a gal now, and you're a racist, sexist, Islamophobe,

00:05:20.460 transphobe, if you disagree.

00:05:22.320 So they let him fight as a her, and he obviously wins because he's a guy punching the girls. 0.98

00:05:28.520 Boy, that's a lot of fun, isn't it?

00:05:30.540 Same thing for weightlifting. 0.88

00:05:32.240 Here's a guy who just keeps on winning as a girl. 0.98

00:05:36.180 Well, it's not that much fun for the girls to compete against boys so much for women's sports. 0.97

00:05:43.120 They had a good run.

00:05:45.040 But really, this is all just part of a war on standards, on objective standards.

00:05:48.680 There's a whole movement to normalize obesity.

00:05:51.400 I'm not talking about, you know, being a little bit fat.

00:05:54.520 I'm talking super fat.

00:05:55.640 I'm not talking about not being mean to fat people.

00:05:58.100 I mean lying, faking it, that being super fat is super attractive.

00:06:02.320 And it's healthy, too, guys.

00:06:05.200 No, it's not.

00:06:07.120 Just like a man cutting off his genitals is not healthy.

00:06:10.700 Transgender men have a suicide attempt rate of over 50%.

00:06:14.000 Stop pretending that this is just great.

00:06:17.700 It's part of the war on facts, the war on the truth.

00:06:21.760 Sorry, social justice warriors destroying objective standards of beauty is not a liberating rebellion.

00:06:26.280 It is rubble.

00:06:27.080 The reason why we love Michelangelo's statue called David is because it is objectively beautiful art.

00:06:36.260 It's been beautiful for centuries.

00:06:37.960 Imagine carving that out of stone.

00:06:40.520 It is not even a matter of opinion that that is one of the finest statues ever carved.

00:06:45.520 I suppose you could say you have a different taste, but then you're the one who's off, not Michelangelo.

00:06:50.900 Purple hair, piercings, that is not attractive.

00:06:54.480 That is not the standard of beauty that elevates and inspires and transcends our corporeal state.

00:07:00.240 That's my point here.

00:07:00.980 The war against Miss America is part of the war against feminine women and masculine men. 1.00

00:07:07.100 I believe that the Democrats and the liberal media consciously use the take a knee fiasco to undermine the NFL, to destroy it,

00:07:13.760 because the NFL is one of the last bastions of masculine men and strong strength left in the American popular culture.

00:07:21.500 It is very salty salt.

00:07:24.540 Speed, strength, creativity, aggression, masculine traits is a place where those are rewarded.

00:07:30.160 It's not a place for tokenism and subjectivity.

00:07:32.680 It's not a place where you talk about toxic masculinity.

00:07:35.000 You ran too fast.

00:07:35.960 No, the left hates the NFL for its masculinity and loves to undermine it from the inside,

00:07:41.300 using this useful idiot who loves to wear his Marxist clothing while be paid millions. 0.89

00:07:47.620 Look, it's a reason why the military is being undermined, too, why Justin Trudeau insists that our military missions be gender balanced,

00:07:55.440 as he said for his proposed mission to Mali, Africa, perhaps the most dangerous place in the world for soldiers right now.

00:08:04.080 Liberal governments across the West are doing this weird thing.

00:08:06.640 They're insisting that the military wear high heels in a bizarre walk-a-mile-in-her-shoes campaign. 0.99

00:08:15.160 Yeah, it doesn't make a lot of sense, does it?

00:08:18.220 There are, look, you want to have competitions?

00:08:20.260 There are already competitions, reality TV shows, talent shows out there.

00:08:23.960 There are cooking shows and singing shows and dancing shows.

00:08:26.920 Miss America was an attempt to fuse civic virtues with personal discipline, with aesthetics, including making yourself attractive. 0.97

00:08:39.220 But that's probably racist these days, so away it goes.

00:08:42.620 I think this new Miss America is going to flop, and I look forward to seeing what replaces it.

00:08:47.580 I think men want to be men, and women want to be women, and they want to know how to do it.

00:08:52.080 I think there's a crisis right now, in that so many of us just don't know how to be men or women,

00:08:58.040 because our role models have been smashed.

00:09:00.120 Miss America was not perfect, but it showed the way, a way, and it was pretty well at that.

00:09:05.640 I think just like the Boy Scouts showed boys how to be boys, that's gone now, too.

00:09:10.600 Girls are now allowed in.

00:09:11.700 The Boy Scouts, they had girl guides, but that wasn't enough for the social justice warriors.

00:09:16.440 They needed to emasculate the Boy Scouts, too.

00:09:19.560 A beauty pageant without beauty.

00:09:20.860 I mean, seriously, would you tune in to watch it?

00:09:25.260 Stay with us for more.

00:09:43.020 Welcome back.

00:09:43.800 Well, I think you can sum up the theory of libertarianism, or even conservative libertarianism,

00:09:49.320 as the right to be left alone, left alone by the government, and even left alone by your neighbor.

00:09:56.280 So what about the case of a cake baker who has Christian beliefs,

00:10:03.480 and a gay wedding couple, a same-sex couple, insists on a special gay wedding cake with a gay message written on it?

00:10:13.860 Is it fair for the baker to say, no, I don't want to do that, or is that discrimination?

00:10:18.380 Well, that has been a raging public debate,

00:10:20.620 and the United States Supreme Court has finally weighed in on it, and it wasn't close.

00:10:26.460 Seven to two, they ruled for the baker.

00:10:29.660 Joining us now via Skype to talk about this is Andrew Klavan.

00:10:32.680 He's the host of the Andrew Klavan Show.

00:10:34.700 Every day on the Daily Wire, it's a podcast Monday to Thursday.

00:10:37.900 He joins us now.

00:10:38.560 Great to see you again, Andrew.

00:10:41.020 It's good to see you, Ezra.

00:10:41.920 How are you doing?

00:10:42.460 I'm fine.

00:10:43.060 Can you help me bring out some facts of this case?

00:10:46.140 Because I think it's important, the facts of the case.

00:10:48.760 This wasn't a shop turning away, like a barber shop turning away a gay person.

00:10:54.100 This was a very specific request for the Christian baker to engage in an expressive act,

00:11:00.520 contrary to his own conscience.

00:11:02.880 Am I correct in that?

00:11:05.020 Yeah, it's a really disturbing case once you get into the details of it,

00:11:09.380 especially for someone like me, who is truly a libertarian on this subject.

00:11:13.820 I've lived my life in the arts.

00:11:15.560 I've worked with all and known and befriended a lot of gay people through my life

00:11:20.620 and only want the best for them.

00:11:22.700 But this is a true abuse.

00:11:24.520 The guy is a Christian baker.

00:11:26.060 He considers his baking, his cake making an art.

00:11:30.080 He's got like a palette as part of his logo on the shop.

00:11:33.120 And they came in, a gay couple came in and asked for a wedding cake for their wedding.

00:11:37.200 He had previously turned down other things that violated his Christian beliefs,

00:11:42.780 like Halloween cakes, things with, you know, kind of pornographic or adult elements.

00:11:48.120 So this was not a first thing he said to them.

00:11:50.160 Hey, you know, I serve anybody here, he said, but I don't serve every occasion.

00:11:54.620 You're welcome to buy anything that's in the shop, but I can't specifically make a cake,

00:11:59.880 use my artistic expression to make a cake for your wedding,

00:12:03.300 because that would violate my conscience, which seems to me as narrow, you know,

00:12:08.660 an ask as you could possibly get.

00:12:10.240 Just a little bit of goodwill, a little bit of leaving other people alone,

00:12:13.560 I would have, you know, done a lot for the tenor of the country.

00:12:18.120 No, the gay couple can't do that. 1.00

00:12:19.820 They complain to the Colorado Civil Rights Commission.

00:12:23.280 The commission not only rules against him, but this is his religion, 1.00

00:12:27.760 says this is the kind of, you know, use of religion that led to the Holocaust.

00:12:32.840 They, you know, they accuse him of all kinds of, yeah, oh, it was amazing.

00:12:36.080 Because that's what the Holocaust was really about. 0.92

00:12:38.100 Hitler wouldn't make cakes for the Jews. 0.52

00:12:41.180 And don't you know, today, today it's cakes, and tomorrow it's a different kind of oven.

00:12:46.940 I shouldn't make jokes, but what a horrific comparison.

00:12:51.160 I didn't even know there was something called the Colorado Human Rights Commission.

00:12:55.080 It sounds like there shouldn't be something.

00:12:56.680 Well, this is the thing.

00:12:58.020 Completely, completely unelected commission on which there have to be members

00:13:03.020 who are part of the apparently excluded classes like LGBT people and stuff like this.

00:13:10.320 So it's bound to be swing to the left.

00:13:13.740 It's bound to be in favor of the LGBT. 0.99

00:13:16.360 Previously, Ezra, I mean, once you hear the details of this case,

00:13:19.800 it really makes your head catch fire.

00:13:21.660 Where previously, these guys had allowed that if you came in and wanted a cake that was against gay marriage,

00:13:28.540 the baker was, it was valid for the baker to say, no, I can't do that.

00:13:32.120 But the other way, it didn't work.

00:13:35.060 So it goes to the Supreme Court.

00:13:36.580 Another court rules against the baker.

00:13:38.080 It goes to the Supreme Court.

00:13:39.120 And unfortunately, even though it sounds like a good decision because it's seven to two,

00:13:45.220 although how it could not have been nine, oh, I don't know, but it's seven to two.

00:13:49.480 They ruled very, very narrowly.

00:13:52.160 All they said was the commission had been so bigoted that Holocaust remark had been so over the top

00:13:58.080 that the guy had been treated unfairly, essentially.

00:14:01.800 They did not rule on the bigger issue of free speech rights, freedom of religion rights, First Amendment rights, basically.

00:14:09.000 They didn't rule on that at all.

00:14:10.920 And basically, I mean, they left open the possibility that if this commission had just been a little bit more sneaky,

00:14:16.840 if they had just hidden their hatred of Christianity, they might have gotten away with it.

00:14:20.860 And that is, I find this extraordinarily disturbing because it's one thing, look, we all have rights to speak.

00:14:28.600 You know, talking about Nazis, Nazis in America have the right to speak. 0.95

00:14:32.520 Everybody has the right to speak.

00:14:34.060 But to force somebody to agree with you, to force somebody to celebrate what you are and what you believe,

00:14:40.300 that seems to me so, such a violation of free speech rights that I personally find it disturbing that two justices,

00:14:46.840 Ruth Bader Ginsburg, what's her name, the RPG, they call her. 0.98

00:14:51.000 Ruth Bader Ginsburg, right. 0.91

00:14:52.620 Yeah, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, thank you.

00:14:53.960 Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sotomayor, they basically ruled against this guy anyway,

00:15:00.680 even though the commission had been unfair.

00:15:02.260 They said, well, that doesn't mean that he should be allowed to be discriminatory.

00:15:05.960 There's another case coming down the pike that I'm not as familiar with about a florist.

00:15:09.840 She also, who wouldn't make a bouquet, the same kind of thing, wouldn't make a bouquet for a friend of hers, 0.99

00:15:17.480 a guy she liked very much, but said, look, this is my religion.

00:15:20.320 I can't celebrate a wedding that I don't believe should be taking place.

00:15:24.420 And like I said, I've been friends with gay people both personally and politically all my life.

00:15:29.980 I have nothing, you know, I don't want to pass any judgments on them.

00:15:32.920 I don't want to tell them or anyone else how they should live their lives.

00:15:35.540 It's not what I'm about, but this is a true bullying, fascistic, anti-American move to search out these guys

00:15:43.900 and basically say we're going to run you out of business unless you violate your conscience.

00:15:48.000 It's really disturbing and incredibly disturbing to me that two justices voted against him.

00:15:52.700 Yeah, and I can only imagine not just the legal fees, but the stress and the hundreds of hours of this baker's life

00:16:00.700 that have been burnt up on this.

00:16:02.060 I mean, when, of course, the couple in question could have just gone down a few streets over to any other baker,

00:16:08.740 it's clear they want it to be punitive.

00:16:10.600 It reminds me of a crazy case.

00:16:13.060 I'm not sure if you saw this case, Andrew.

00:16:15.280 It was in Windsor, Ontario, which is just across the river from Detroit.

00:16:20.200 And my first thought when you were talking there was,

00:16:23.680 I wonder if Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sotomayor, the other hard left judge who was appointed in her case by Barack Obama,

00:16:31.340 I wonder if the roles were reversed if it was a gay bakery that was being commanded to do a pro-Christian, 0.91

00:16:39.880 I don't know, icing, if they would have ruled the same way.

00:16:45.560 I really think that those two judges would have flipped.

00:16:49.280 But let me, can I just run this case by you?

00:16:51.060 And maybe you've heard of it because it got some coverage in the States.

00:16:53.620 In this case, we have a gay activist couple and we have a Christian baker.

00:16:59.920 There's a case in Windsor, Ontario, where there is a female aesthetics salon where they do waxing of lady parts. 0.99

00:17:07.800 It's a place that guys should never enter into because it's a place of women's mystery. 1.00

00:17:13.100 And us fellows don't need to know anything about it.

00:17:15.160 Windsor, like Detroit, has a fairly large Muslim population.

00:17:19.540 And one of the female estheticians at this Windsor place is a Muslim woman. 0.99

00:17:26.720 Okay, so that's what she does. Fair enough.

00:17:29.300 And then one day, a pre-op transsexual, a fella with all his fella parts, 1.00

00:17:36.580 goes there and says, I want a lady wax, even though he's not a lady. 0.91

00:17:46.940 He says, I'm, and this Muslim woman, who's the esthetician, says, 0.92

00:17:52.540 I'm sorry, I don't touch fellas other than my husband that's part of my religion.

00:17:59.000 And this thing is going to the Ontario Human Rights Commission, $50,000 at stake.

00:18:05.120 My question to you, Andrew, is who do you think is going to win?

00:18:09.180 Who has the higher poker hand in politically correct poker?

00:18:13.300 A Muslim woman who doesn't want to do a pretend female waxing on a fella 1.00

00:18:20.280 or a transgender guy who hasn't had his twig and berries cut off yet, demanding service. 0.92

00:18:29.260 Like, tell me that's not a hell of a case for Ruth Bader Ginsburg or Sotomayor.

00:18:34.440 That's something that would make their heads explode.

00:18:38.160 I did hear about this case.

00:18:40.400 I have to admit it made me chuckle a little because I always love it when leftist special interests clash

00:18:45.840 and they start to devour each other.

00:18:49.260 But, you know, the very fact that the case is coming up, it points to so many things.

00:18:53.820 One of the things that it points to is that the worst possible people, the smallest minds,

00:18:58.560 the nastiest, the least able to leave other people alone, are bringing these cases to court.

00:19:05.360 So these cases are coming before committees and courts when they could just be so easily avoided

00:19:11.180 with just the slightest bit of goodwill, just the slightest bit of saying, oh, you know,

00:19:15.640 that's your religion.

00:19:16.520 It makes you uncomfortable.

00:19:17.540 I'll go elsewhere.

00:19:18.820 You know, I mean, how hard is that to say to somebody?

00:19:21.680 I mean, we all should treat each other that way.

00:19:24.860 So that's the first thing.

00:19:26.420 And it is the outgrowth of this leftist philosophy of grievance and victimhood that somehow this

00:19:32.080 elevates you above other people.

00:19:33.720 It means that you don't have to pay attention to their rights, but they have to pay attention

00:19:38.280 to yours.

00:19:38.880 It's like when I get heckled when I give speeches and these people come in and they shout things

00:19:43.680 out as if their incredible victimhood gives them some right to intrude on other people's

00:19:50.660 lives, it's so small, it's so bullying, it's so mean that it just it's just horrible to

00:19:56.680 me that the court even has to look at it.

00:19:58.760 Who's going to win?

00:19:59.960 How do I know?

00:20:00.700 I mean, it's the problem with the left is that they're so dishonest and so intellectually

00:20:05.660 corrupt.

00:20:06.780 So their their ideas are so intellectually corrupt that they're perfectly able to say,

00:20:12.600 like the Colorado Commission said, well, in this case, we'll go this way.

00:20:16.360 And in this case, we'll go that way because it's not really a principle.

00:20:19.000 It's just, you know, who who is more of a victim in this moment in our imaginations?

00:20:25.200 You know, it's it's just the whole thing is despicable.

00:20:28.180 There's no principle involved.

00:20:30.060 The only real principle is free speech and freedom of action and freedom of choice and

00:20:34.320 freedom of religion.

00:20:35.020 And if we stick to those principles, all this victimhood and agree and grievance mongering

00:20:40.240 and picking on other people and bullying would go away.

00:20:43.880 Yeah, you know, I think in the case of this Windsor transgender case, I think the fella 1.00

00:20:48.720 is so craving of attention that he wants litigation.

00:20:53.560 He he probably sought out the most egregious situation possible for two reasons.

00:20:58.940 First of all, if he really is accepted at a female esthetician, that's the ultimate proof

00:21:04.480 that he is a woman.

00:21:06.200 Because after all, only women get to go there. 1.00

00:21:09.600 And I and I think like these this cake, same sex couple, of course, he could have just gone 0.96

00:21:15.740 down the road or the block somewhere else.

00:21:17.920 But he insisted.

00:21:18.700 I think I think that they're trying to politicize and litigate every aspect of personal life.

00:21:25.420 And I think that's the war the left has on the culture to turn every damn thing into a

00:21:32.140 political moment, a Marxist moment, and to turn us all into identity, culture, warriors.

00:21:40.340 I don't know.

00:21:40.640 It just it's completely not surprising any of these things to me.

00:21:44.440 Last word to you, Andrew, I think we're going to see a lot more of these.

00:21:47.700 What do you think we are?

00:21:50.060 And it's so disturbing to me, who really, as I say, is a libertarian who just wants people

00:21:54.720 to I want to you know, what do I care?

00:21:55.980 What do I care how people live?

00:21:57.260 You know, as long as they're not hurting me or anybody around them, you know, it doesn't

00:22:00.720 mean a thing to me how people live, who they sleep with, who they love.

00:22:04.120 You know, I don't lose a minute's sleep over it.

00:22:07.340 But how can we not how can we leave them alone if they're not going to leave us alone, if they're

00:22:12.200 not going to leave other people alone?

00:22:13.440 And if they're coming after our most important rights, our right to think freely,

00:22:17.600 speak freely, worship freely, those are so much more important than who you sleep with.

00:22:21.860 It's so much more important than your your sexual life.

00:22:25.740 You know, how can we leave them alone if they're not going to leave us alone?

00:22:28.860 There you have it.

00:22:29.620 Wise words.

00:22:30.260 Andrew Klavan, always great to have a moment of your time.

00:22:32.680 You're so busy.

00:22:33.460 Thank you for making time for us today.

00:22:36.360 It's always a pleasure to talk to you, Ezra.

00:22:37.800 Thanks.

00:22:38.160 All right.

00:22:38.480 There you have it.

00:22:38.880 Andrew Klavan.

00:22:39.340 He's the host of The Andrew Klavan Show on The Daily Wire.

00:22:42.660 It's a podcast that you can catch Monday to Thursday.

00:22:46.000 Stay with us.

00:22:46.920 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:22:47.700 That's why a vote for the Liberal Party can mean so much.

00:23:02.380 The more Liberal MPPs that we send to Queen's Park on June 7th, the less likely it becomes

00:23:08.960 that either Doug Ford or the NDP will be able to form a majority government.

00:23:13.400 By voting Liberal, you can keep the next government, Conservative or NDP, from acting too extremely

00:23:21.280 one way or the other.

00:23:23.920 By voting Liberal, you can keep the next government, Conservative or NDP, accountable to you.

00:23:30.620 By voting Liberal, you can keep Doug Ford and the NDP from having a blank check.

00:23:36.880 So with a few days left, my message is this.

00:23:40.520 A vote for the Liberal Party is a vote to keep the next government in check.

00:23:46.380 A vote for the Liberal Party is your best bet to make sure that the next government is

00:23:51.540 not a majority government.

00:23:53.640 And the next government is thereby held to account for all voters.

00:23:58.920 Well, there you have it.

00:24:00.000 Liberal leader Kathleen Wynne.

00:24:01.300 She is the premier for, I guess, a couple more days, basically admitting that they don't

00:24:05.400 have a chance.

00:24:06.200 Every single poll for weeks has shown the Liberals in third place.

00:24:09.840 And I guess she's just admitting the obvious and taking the air out of the balloon that

00:24:14.440 she even pretends she can win. 1.00

00:24:16.560 I actually don't think it's that bad a pitch.

00:24:18.560 It shows a drop of, I don't know, humility that she's not even going to pretend to win.

00:24:24.780 I'm not sure how compelling it is to say vote for us because we're not going to win.

00:24:30.080 But joining us now to talk about this weirdness is our friend David Menzies.

00:24:33.860 David, what do you make of that?

00:24:34.660 It's not often that a loser admits they're going to lose before they lose.

00:24:38.940 Well, first of all, Ezra, anytime I see Kathleen Wynne at a playground, the first thing I'm

00:24:43.060 doing is looking for Ben Levin.

00:24:44.440 And thankfully, he wasn't in that picture.

00:24:46.740 Secondly, I was completely shocked by that announcement.

00:24:49.860 It happened on Saturday.

00:24:50.740 And it was not that it's unprecedented, but it didn't work back in 2001 when the NDP Premier

00:25:00.400 of BC, DeSange, said more or less the same thing.

00:25:03.740 And the results of that election were the Liberals, 77 seats, and the NDP party, well, let's put

00:25:10.360 it this way.

00:25:11.180 You could have a caucus meeting in a Mazda Miata, which is a two-seater for those who aren't

00:25:15.980 car aficionados.

00:25:16.840 So, first of all, I don't think it's going to work.

00:25:20.140 Secondly, I think it's desperate.

00:25:22.300 Thirdly, I think an unintentional beneficiary of this, Ezra, is the PC party.

00:25:27.920 If people are on the cusp of, hmm, Liberal, NDP, NDP, Liberal, and this makes them go, okay,

00:25:35.820 Wynne, I don't like, and if she's promising to step aside, I'm going to go back to Liberal.

00:25:40.000 And that means a loss of a few seats, even a few seats, because they're saying it's a

00:25:44.200 close election, Ezra.

00:25:46.000 Maybe the PCs go right up the middle and get that majority.

00:25:50.720 That's one thing that could happen.

00:25:51.960 People would say, well, I don't like Wynne.

00:25:53.360 She says she's leaving.

00:25:54.740 So, I'll vote Liberal because I sort of feel comfy with them.

00:25:57.840 The other is, I'm saying, well, Wynne is gone.

00:26:01.000 She says the party doesn't have a chance.

00:26:02.940 If I want to stop Ford, I don't have two choices now.

00:26:05.920 I only have one choice.

00:26:07.560 So, you could see a coalescing of the anybody but Ford vote behind the NDP.

00:26:11.700 I don't know which way of those is going to cut.

00:26:13.540 Yeah.

00:26:14.520 I ultimately think that most people have already made up their mind.

00:26:20.320 I don't think, despite her announcement, Ezra, and despite some other things in the news,

00:26:25.880 that the Liberals are even close to forming the official opposition, even.

00:26:30.100 Whether, like I said, I really see the PCs going up the middle.

00:26:36.360 And now the question is, it seems more and more that this has to be a majority mandate

00:26:42.060 for Doug Ford because now the Whisper campaign that Andrea Horwath originally dismissed is

00:26:48.640 now warming to about the idea of a coalition with her and the Liberal government.

00:26:53.540 So, this is going to be crucially important on Thursday.

00:26:57.060 There's some news.

00:26:58.020 Doug Ford's late brother, Rob Ford, who I think in many ways was more beloved than Doug.

00:27:03.940 He had more problems than Doug.

00:27:06.020 But I think that he was so authentic and his problems were so authentic and the way he was

00:27:10.640 bullied by all the fancy people.

00:27:12.380 I think there was a lot of love for Rob because he suffered in front of us.

00:27:18.040 Yes.

00:27:18.180 And news comes that Rob Ford's widow, Renata, on behalf of her kids, Doug Ford's nephews,

00:27:29.160 his nephew, are suing Doug Ford and the family company called Deco Labels, claiming that he

00:27:37.320 has not been dealing with them fairly.

00:27:40.200 The timing of this lawsuit is just days before the election.

00:27:44.900 It looks ugly.

00:27:45.900 It looks like a family feud.

00:27:48.800 I don't know who's right.

00:27:50.820 Either way, it's sort of sad that the family's having a quarrel.

00:27:54.340 Will it have any impact on the election?

00:27:56.640 You know what, Ezra?

00:27:57.400 First of all, I just want to say this.

00:27:58.920 I saw the news yesterday.

00:28:00.500 Kevin Donovan, the investigative reporter for the Star, broke it.

00:28:03.520 The statement of claim was filed on Friday.

00:28:06.640 We should say absolutely nothing has been proven in a court of law.

00:28:11.760 Having said that, my heart was breaking for those two kids because when you think of it,

00:28:16.480 Ezra, what they're faced with is on one side, if you listen to one of the sides, their mother

00:28:23.080 is a substance abuser.

00:28:25.180 Then on the flip side, the mother is saying, your two uncles, Randy and Doug, are basically

00:28:31.240 embezzlers, you know, draining a company like Deco Dry, you know, spending your legacy. 0.98

00:28:39.060 My heart broke reading this story.

00:28:41.080 I also feel that if these are unfounded allegations, the potential damage to Deco, the family businesses,

00:28:47.960 if I'm a supplier, you know, I'm running to the credit, you know, department of Deco and

00:28:53.900 making sure my bills are paid up because, you know, business, even though it's a private

00:28:57.500 company, it's fueled on rumor, right?

00:29:00.280 And if what she's saying, you know, has a whiff of sincerity to it, that could be a self-fulfilling

00:29:07.860 prophecy.

00:29:08.640 Now, I don't want to talk about the business side or even the family side.

00:29:12.400 I want to talk about the political side.

00:29:13.940 My instinct is people say, well, this is a family feud.

00:29:18.120 It may be embarrassing, but what's that got to do with this election?

00:29:22.000 I don't know if any Ford supporters are going to say, ah, I'm now going to vote for Kathleen

00:29:26.180 Wynne or Andrea Horfath or vice versa.

00:29:28.200 So my view is it's just a little bit embarrassing, but embarrassment is, you know, people who would

00:29:33.940 be embarrassed by the Fords were never for them.

00:29:37.320 I don't think this is going to move the needle at all.

00:29:39.500 Yeah.

00:29:39.760 I think we're in a different era.

00:29:41.120 As you know, the allegations of Gary Hart back in the 80s having an affair destroyed

00:29:45.160 him.

00:29:45.840 Now we saw with Trump, you know, having an affairs with a Playboy Bunny, a porn star even, the

00:29:52.300 American public has collectively shrugged.

00:29:55.140 I think.

00:29:56.140 Thanks to Bill Clinton for that.

00:29:57.300 Well, you know, that is the precedent, right?

00:30:00.520 Or you could even go back further, although it wasn't reported in the day to the to the

00:30:04.500 candidates.

00:30:05.060 Right.

00:30:05.240 But I think people right now, for the most part, by and large, Ezra, that I would rather

00:30:12.840 have someone morally flawed who is a great leader than somebody who is morally pristine

00:30:19.340 and is a lousy leader.

00:30:21.160 And I think that's what it comes down to.

00:30:22.740 And I don't think this is going to move the needle one way or the other.

00:30:26.160 Although the, you know, Horwath and Wynne have jumped on this.

00:30:31.520 And and, you know, I got to tell you, I was offended a little bit about the insincerity

00:30:36.060 that I determined from what Wynne was saying, you know, about the kids.

00:30:39.620 She is right.

00:30:40.400 That is who you have to ultimately feel sorry for.

00:30:42.720 But, you know, please, Premier Sparras, what did you put your kids through when, you know,

00:30:47.800 you left your husband?

00:30:48.720 He had to sleep in the basement while, you know, your lover, you know, was in the master

00:30:52.740 bedroom with you and the kids were still living in the residence.

00:30:56.160 It's it's all a mess.

00:30:57.840 What I what I sort of chuckled at was Kathleen Wynne putting out press releases, statements 0.90

00:31:03.600 and tweets saying, I really care about the kids, but this just goes to show.

00:31:08.720 So, I mean, you know what?

00:31:10.980 I can hardly wait for this election to be over.

00:31:13.820 Give me in your final moments here.

00:31:16.180 Give me your prediction.

00:31:17.060 Is it going to be a PC majority with Doug Ford's next Premier?

00:31:20.500 I'm predicting a PC majority as right.

00:31:22.340 I'll tell you why.

00:31:23.020 I sense the needle moving, not about these two things we talked about, but in the last

00:31:28.820 two weeks, almost on a daily basis, Andrea Horwath and her candidates, who I call the new 0.86

00:31:35.280 not for ready for primetime players, you know, the woman with the Hitler meme, right? 0.52

00:31:40.620 The two candidates that disparaged the poppy.

00:31:44.300 The candidate who called Toronto's first black police chief a coon.

00:31:50.660 And and it goes on and on.

00:31:52.620 There are so many more.

00:31:53.740 I think people who are thinking of voting, you know, voting NDP, maybe even in protest,

00:32:01.160 had, you know, if you will, a come to Jesus moment that who are these people?

00:32:05.780 Who are these radicals?

00:32:06.900 Who's going to be the minister of finance?

00:32:09.080 Who's going to be the minister of education, minister of health?

00:32:12.180 I don't see a depth of talent there in terms of brains.

00:32:16.160 And, you know, I mean, God forbid, even the liberals looked spectacular compared to that.

00:32:22.820 I think I sensed a shift away from radicalizing Ontario with an NDP government.

00:32:29.280 We saw what happened from 1990 to 1995, rather.

00:32:33.740 We're seeing what's happening in the Democratic People's Republic of Alberta with Notley.

00:32:38.060 And I think that's what did the that turned the screw, Ezra.

00:32:43.540 Well, I hope you're right.

00:32:44.500 I mean, I think most Ontarians are not following it as closely as you.

00:32:47.700 Most people don't read a newspaper.

00:32:49.280 So, for example, the Toronto Sun, which has been breaking a lot of these great stories on the candidates.

00:32:53.040 Correct.

00:32:53.660 People who are tuned in are following that.

00:32:55.280 I don't know how many people are tuned in.

00:32:57.420 And I know that at least there is some vetting here where there wasn't in Alberta.

00:33:01.220 So I hope you're right.

00:33:02.060 And if I can just interject, Ezra, the advanced polls have been very robust, more than 20 percent increase compared to the last provincial election.

00:33:14.440 So I think it's going to be a pretty solid turnout.

00:33:17.780 And I think people, yes, you're right.

00:33:20.280 So many people are disengaged.

00:33:21.760 Ask them about Ontario politics.

00:33:24.000 They can't tell you what the issues are.

00:33:26.140 Ask them about the latest Kim Kardashian tweet.

00:33:28.280 Oh, they'll quote you chapter and verse.

00:33:30.080 But I think there's a critical mass that are going to come out because they realize what's at stake here.

00:33:35.260 Yeah, I sure hope you're right.

00:33:36.880 Well, David, great to see you.

00:33:38.000 Thanks for covering the Ontario election beat for us so well.

00:33:40.820 Got it.

00:33:41.240 Folks, stay with us. 0.87

00:33:42.360 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:33:55.160 Hey, welcome back.

00:33:55.960 Look at my monologue yesterday about Tommy Robinson getting 13 months in prison while Anjum Chowdhury is about to be released from prison.

00:34:02.760 Liza writes, those eight points to describe Islamophobia are so ridiculous.

00:34:07.720 They're going to have to lock us all up.

00:34:10.940 Well, the most terrifying thing about those eight points that define Islamophobia is that they all relate to opinions about an ideology, or at least six out of eight of them did.

00:34:21.340 You can't criticize Islam for being old-fashioned.

00:34:25.940 Yeah, Islam boasts that it's old-fashioned. 1.00

00:34:28.800 It's immutable.

00:34:30.100 It cannot be changed.

00:34:31.720 They say that.

00:34:33.620 You can't criticize Islam for being sexist.

00:34:37.040 It is in the black and white text.

00:34:39.060 You must accept Islam's criticism of the West. 1.00

00:34:41.560 What does that have to do with committing a crime against a person?

00:34:48.440 This is one untouchable ideology.

00:34:50.560 Imagine, just replace Christianity for, or any ism, capitalism, socialism, for Islam, and you'll immediately see how bizarre that is. 0.98

00:34:59.900 But that has been the law that the Metropolitan Police in London have been applying at least for seven years.

00:35:07.500 Frazier writes, Chowdhury will likely instigate bloodshed soon after his release.

00:35:13.940 I think so.

00:35:14.940 I think he's pretty good at walking right up to the line and not going over, although obviously he miscalculated because he's been in prison.

00:35:21.780 But he's very provocative, and he couldn't be clearer.

00:35:26.540 He is crystal clear about his goals.

00:35:29.160 Turn the United Kingdom, and indeed the whole world, into a theocracy.

00:35:33.820 He really is the lawyer face of ISIS-style terrorists.

00:35:40.420 That's what he was convicted of.

00:35:42.560 On Peter McElwanna's speech about Tommy Robinson and the Rebel Live on Saturday, John writes,

00:35:47.180 Impressed, Peter McElwanna came all the way from the UK to tell us about Tommy's tour of the UK Parliament by his good friend, Lord Pearson.

00:35:54.480 He gives me a bit of hope.

00:35:56.180 Yeah, me too.

00:35:57.200 The thing about Lord Pearson is he's a lord.

00:36:00.180 He's a member of the House of Lords.

00:36:02.120 So if I understand my UK constitution and parliament right, he doesn't have to face election.

00:36:09.280 He doesn't have to face any real forms of discipline at the hands of a party.

00:36:16.440 He can't be kicked out of his seat.

00:36:18.220 I guess he could be stripped of his party status.

00:36:20.520 But I think it's wonderful.

00:36:22.540 I think Lord Pearson is brilliant.

00:36:23.660 I think what he did was very courageous.

00:36:25.500 But I would like to see that more by elected MPs.

00:36:29.400 You'll recall that even the Labour MP from Rotherham was demoted by the Labour Party for speaking bluntly about rape gangs.

00:36:39.020 She was from the riding herself.

00:36:42.120 That's the show for today.

00:36:43.380 By the way, you should tune in if you're free in the middle of the day at 12 noon Eastern time, 10 a.m. Mountain time, 9 a.m. Pacific time.

00:36:51.020 I do a show on YouTube every day.

00:36:53.360 Today we showed proceedings from the House of Commons in the United Kingdom, a pack of Labour MPs attacking YouTube, an executive from YouTube, haranguing him for not banning Tommy Robinson from YouTube.

00:37:08.320 It was very illuminating, and it's just an extra hour a day I do on TV.

00:37:14.300 It's less produced than my evening show.

00:37:16.000 I don't have interviews.

00:37:17.360 But the fun thing about it is it's live, and I take comments in real time from the public.

00:37:21.780 So if you have time at noon hour, if you're on the East Coast or the other time zones I mentioned, tune in on YouTube and let me know what you think.

00:37:30.000 We have thousands of people do every day, and I think it's become a bit of a thing.

00:37:33.500 It's a little bit fun, and things that don't quite fit into my evening show I put there.

00:37:37.100 So please consider tuning in every weekday at 12 noon Eastern.

00:37:40.960 Anyway, that's the show for today.

00:37:42.300 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night.

00:37:46.560 And keep fighting for freedom.

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Rebel News Podcast - June 06, 2018

Ezra Levant Show June 05 2018

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