Rebel News Podcast - Ezra Levant Show June 13 2018

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a conversation with an American leftist who saw the error of his ways and became a leading conservative activist.

00:00:07.820 It's June 13th and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:16.000 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:19.860 There's 8,500 customers here and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:23.560 You come here once a year with a sign and you feel morally superior.

00:00:26.540 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:37.140 I first heard of David Horowitz more than 10 years ago when I read his shocking book called The Shadow Party,

00:00:44.800 How George Soros, Hillary Clinton, and 60s Radicals Seize Control of the Democratic Party. 0.98

00:00:50.460 That's a heavy title and it's a heavy topic and it feels edgy.

00:00:54.740 And back in 2006, it almost sounded like too much, like a conspiracy theory.

00:01:00.480 Of course, it wasn't.

00:01:01.300 It was meticulously footnoted and it was all out there in public, really.

00:01:05.360 As most of the good news stories are, they're just deliberately not reported upon by the mainstream media.

00:01:11.580 And it all came to pass, of course.

00:01:13.880 The Soros takeover of the Democrats, the extreme left, the activist left, pushing out the traditional bases of Democrats.

00:01:20.480 I mean, forget about anyone with a hard hat, obviously.

00:01:23.520 Blue-collar workers get out.

00:01:25.080 It was all identity politics.

00:01:26.660 Black Lives Matter, Occupy Wall Street, thuggery even, Antifa.

00:01:30.980 And there's a dramatic chapter in the book about how Soros actually uses violence to foment revolutions in other countries in the world and what that means for America.

00:01:41.320 As with so many such books, even the most researched, they're ignored by the mainstream who either don't put in the effort to do the research themselves or more often support the radical goals of the left.

00:01:51.840 But Horowitz comes from the left.

00:01:54.040 He understands it from the inside and he uses that familiarity to be a strategic and effective fighter.

00:02:00.040 He uses the tactics of the left.

00:02:02.000 And so he built a war machine for conservatives called the David Horowitz Freedom Center with everything from campus groups to conservative conferences to alternative media outlets.

00:02:11.940 It's a battle group and it's Trumpy, as in it's not a dainty group of elite Republicans in name only.

00:02:18.460 They're tough guys.

00:02:20.260 I had the chance to catch up with David via Skype.

00:02:22.880 I apologize, the Skype connection wasn't the best, but we proceeded with the interview nonetheless because I thought it was interesting enough.

00:02:30.580 I hope you agree.

00:02:31.800 We also talk about his new book, of course, the ninth and final volume of his authoritative Black Book of the American Left.

00:02:39.060 Here is my full interview with David Horowitz.

00:02:52.880 Well, when someone has an entire Freedom Center named after them, you know you're talking to an intellectual leader, and that is our guest now, who for decades has fought the fight against the American Left.

00:03:12.160 And he used to come from the left, which is, I think, why he's not only so passionate, but so skillful.

00:03:18.660 He knows their secrets, how they think, where the bodies are buried.

00:03:22.620 Maybe not literally the bodies they're buried, but he knows there are bodies.

00:03:26.020 I'm talking about David Horowitz, who's the boss of the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

00:03:30.320 And he joins us now via Skype to talk about the Freedom Center, his work, and the ninth volume of his series called The Black Book of the American Left.

00:03:40.320 David, it's a pleasure to have you on the show.

00:03:42.440 Well, thank you for having me.

00:03:45.300 We met very briefly last year at the Restoration Weekend that you hosted in Florida, which is a large conference of conservative thinkers and activists.

00:03:56.420 A lot of our fan favorites were there, from Ann Coulter to Mark Stein.

00:04:01.400 Of course, a lot of American congressmen.

00:04:04.500 Devin Nunes was there, if I recall.

00:04:07.880 Turning Point USA.

00:04:09.680 Heroes like James O'Keefe of Project Veritas. 0.98

00:04:12.780 It sounds like you've put together a coalition of freedom fighters.

00:04:18.100 It was very powerful to see.

00:04:20.680 But even your group is a fraction of the size of what the left has.

00:04:24.960 Am I right?

00:04:25.420 Oh, yeah, of course.

00:04:27.160 The left is just a dominant force in the culture.

00:04:32.680 It's a big problem.

00:04:34.240 And most conservatives are policy-oriented.

00:04:38.080 They're not battle-oriented.

00:04:40.880 And you're correct in noticing I have these activists, but that's what I've done my whole career.

00:04:47.720 And to me, it's fascinating.

00:04:50.800 I usually don't, you know, I'll know some people in an administration.

00:04:55.480 I raised quite a bit of money from Bush.

00:04:58.560 But I didn't have really any rapport with that.

00:05:01.660 Whereas Trump has been surrounded by people that have attended the Restoration Weekend and who are fighters like Trump.

00:05:12.320 It's a big change.

00:05:13.580 And I'm hoping it can save the country, which I think is a serious change.

00:05:19.520 Well, let me talk for a minute about the Restoration Weekend.

00:05:23.740 It was very exciting for me to see all these activists.

00:05:27.340 Some of them were policy-oriented.

00:05:29.320 Some were political.

00:05:30.680 Some talked about the larger culture.

00:05:32.580 There were films that were debuted.

00:05:35.740 There was, before he fell out of the good graces of the White House, Steve Bannon was there talking about the cultural fight.

00:05:43.720 I think it's a key point that when someone's a conservative group, people say, oh, that's a conservative group.

00:05:49.800 But most liberal activists or leftist activists, they're not even called that.

00:05:54.220 They're just so deeply embedded in Hollywood or TV or music or academia.

00:06:03.100 We don't even call it left-wing Hollywood.

00:06:05.360 It's all left-wing.

00:06:06.880 They don't draw attention to their leftism.

00:06:09.260 Sometimes they don't even know that's how they're described.

00:06:11.780 They just are leftists.

00:06:13.540 We truly are a fraction, a fraction of the size of the activist left.

00:06:18.500 Well, first of all, the reason that they're not noticed or identified as leftist is because they are the media.

00:06:29.120 And the second reason is that Republicans are lame when it comes to political warfare.

00:06:35.100 So for a good 20 years, I was frustrated by Republicans referring to people whose ideas are indistinguishable from that, really, of the Communist Party, if you update it.

00:06:49.900 I'm speaking of Democrats as liberals. 0.58

00:06:54.120 People who call themselves liberals are vindictive bigots. 0.58

00:06:58.040 There's nothing liberal about them except their attitudes towards, you know, coddling criminals, sympathizing with America's enemies, spending other people's money, and so forth. 0.88

00:07:14.680 That's what they're liberal about.

00:07:16.640 But these are reactionaries.

00:07:19.160 And language is really important.

00:07:21.360 The left has all the good language.

00:07:23.360 These people are, as I say, they're reactionaries, not progressives.

00:07:28.600 And they're totalitarians, not liberals.

00:07:31.840 Liberals don't want to shut down the other side, which is what has now overtaken all of our campuses.

00:07:39.900 The campus left is a fascist left.

00:07:42.580 But there are very few conservatives who are willing to be so impolite as to use terms like this.

00:07:48.440 That's very interesting.

00:07:49.540 I think the word liberal is still treated with great affection in a lot of circles.

00:07:56.740 I mean, in Canada, the governing party is called the liberal party.

00:08:01.760 But there really is a difference between the left and liberals.

00:08:05.780 We see that on campus.

00:08:08.020 The move to censorship, the move against free speech, even at Berkeley, which used to be the home of free speech.

00:08:14.060 Yeah, there isn't a big difference between so-called liberals and leftists.

00:08:20.840 I mean, leftists are in a greater hurry than so-called liberals.

00:08:27.780 What does the Democratic Party stand for?

00:08:29.820 It has a racist ideology, identity politics, which is cultural Marxism.

00:08:35.060 It believes the world is divided into oppressors and oppressed. 0.98

00:08:38.720 And straight white males are the oppressors. 0.74

00:08:42.040 This is as left as it gets. 0.98

00:08:46.260 They want to redistribute income.

00:08:49.100 They're all social justice warriors, which means they want to use the power of the government to pick the pockets of people that they don't like and give the money to people who will support them.

00:09:00.920 What's liberal about that?

00:09:03.520 There are leftists.

00:09:05.360 There is no difference.

00:09:07.260 I mean, of course, the anti-file leftists are overtly fascists and you want to use violence.

00:09:14.480 But there have always been traditions of the left, if you will, degrees of the left.

00:09:19.780 And they're all dangerous, every single degree, no matter how so moderate it looks.

00:09:28.140 I mean, people call Abbas the Palestinian leader as a moderate. 0.97

00:09:33.760 He's a Nazi. 0.89

00:09:36.220 He's a Holocaust denier. 1.00

00:09:38.200 He's a terrorist supporter. 0.89

00:09:40.020 He honors terrorists and pays them for crying out tears. 0.80

00:09:43.960 How could you call him a moderate?

00:09:45.820 But they do, because it's a left-wing media that we have to deal with and a polite Republican opposition.

00:09:53.260 Jordan Peterson, the professor from the University of Toronto, who's been on such a successful tour lately, talking about political correctness, he says that liberals need to reclaim their side of the spectrum from the leftist authoritarians.

00:10:13.380 Are there any such common-sense liberals who would be truly moderate and believe in American values, but just have a more, you know, be one standard deviation to your left, as opposed to all the way over the spectrum?

00:10:32.380 Is there any liberals left, or is it all just conservatives and leftists now?

00:10:37.400 You know, I can think of a handful.

00:10:39.760 Alan Dershowitz, we qualified.

00:10:41.760 And I think if the Democratic Party lost big enough electorally in the next two elections, there are some sensible Democrats.

00:10:54.580 But, you know, I don't have a lot of respect for them because they're going along with this incredible, seditious, treasonous effort to destroy the presidency of Donald Trump, who was legitimately elected.

00:11:09.920 To deny him, to deny him, his legitimacy.

00:11:13.960 And how many members of the Democratic Party did not support the treasonous Iran deal, which, you know, lifted the sanctions from a Nazi regime whose leaders openly wanted to destroy us, death to America.

00:11:33.740 I understand what Jordan Peterson is coming from.

00:11:35.740 I think he's a tremendous asset to me.

00:11:39.380 It's sort of the same Western culture from the enemies. 0.93

00:11:44.460 But I think he's being overly optimistic.

00:11:48.460 Or it's just, you know, it's protective to support liberalism because the left dominates the culture and has made a perverse version of liberalism, you know, the respected feud.

00:12:06.180 I think Jordan Peterson has given me some hope because what I've seen, I mean, I'm based here in Toronto, so I saw him in before he really broke through internationally.

00:12:17.800 And I see that he really flipped the light switch on for a lot of students, casual students, undergrads, but also grad students, other professors.

00:12:28.100 So I see his message is having a widespread retail impact, let's say.

00:12:33.180 But also he's creating mini-me's, people who say, well, if Jordan Peterson can do that, I can do that.

00:12:40.440 But I'm a professor, I'm a master student, I'm a grad student, whatever.

00:12:45.580 So I had...

00:12:47.060 Oh, I agree.

00:12:48.200 I agree.

00:12:49.660 He's a tremendous force, tremendous forceful good.

00:12:52.740 I agree.

00:12:53.860 And there are lots of people who are not ideological.

00:12:58.680 And what they haven't heard before, I mean, the Jordan Peterson phenomenon, it's like the Trump phenomenon.

00:13:06.180 And, you know, there are others, like Candace Owens and Dave Rubin and so forth.

00:13:11.800 And then there's a willingness to actually confront the left.

00:13:17.320 I think Dave Rubin has the term, they're regressive progressives or whatever, regressive liberalism, he calls it.

00:13:26.200 Whereas I said it was reactionary, it's just the same thing.

00:13:31.260 But until the advent of Trump, there have been very few people on the right who are willing to confront the leftist threat for what it is and call it by its proper names.

00:13:45.640 The Democratic Party controls every inner city of size in America, every killing field.

00:13:52.700 Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, Washington, D.C.

00:13:58.500 And has controlled it 100%.

00:14:01.420 I mean, they're monopoly control for 50 to 100 years.

00:14:05.920 So every atrocity that the inner city commits against poor people or black people or Hispanic people, every failed school that year in and year out,

00:14:17.680 you just can't predict it because it's always the same, 40% of the kids don't graduate and 40% of those who do are functionally illiterate.

00:14:27.140 Every oppression, every injustice in the inner city, Democrats, progressives, leftists, liberals, whatever you want to call them, are 100% responsible for.

00:14:40.280 But you never hear a Republican say that.

00:14:42.200 Well, now, Trump is different.

00:14:44.920 That's the problem.

00:14:46.020 Trump seems to be making a career out of his whole presidency, out of saying things you're not supposed to say.

00:14:53.200 He pulled America out of the U.N. global warming.

00:14:56.300 Oh, exactly.

00:14:57.280 That's because I don't know Jordan Peterson's background, whether he's a second thought or what Trump is.

00:15:08.140 Trump was on the left.

00:15:09.220 Trump was a liberal.

00:15:10.060 But he's also a patriot.

00:15:12.900 And his love for America is what drives him.

00:15:16.420 And, you know, he's fearless.

00:15:18.440 And that's wonderful.

00:15:19.580 Think of the second presidential debate.

00:15:23.220 You know, in front of 70 million television viewers, Trump looked Hillary Clinton in the eye and said, 1.00

00:15:29.340 you are a liar and a crook, which she is both. 1.00

00:15:33.100 But there's not another conservative or Republican would ever have said that to her because she's a woman and they're deferential towards women. 1.00

00:15:42.420 So the deference towards women allows her to be vicious, criminal and get away with it because she's a woman. 1.00

00:15:53.940 Nobody will point it out.

00:15:54.960 Well, I think Trump has, you know, broken that mold.

00:16:01.060 And that gives me great hope for the future.

00:16:03.940 You know, things that were supposed to be impossible.

00:16:06.820 I mentioned the U.N. and global warming, moving the embassy to Jerusalem, a small matter, but something people were terrified of, taking on.

00:16:16.000 I mean, it's it's he really reminds me of the emperor has no clothes, no clothes child, just saying, well, I'm going to say what everybody knows, but no one has had the courage.

00:16:26.140 Do you think it's spreading?

00:16:27.300 Do you think Trump's courage is inspiring others to talk about things you're not allowed to talk?

00:16:34.900 Well, I see it most in the younger generation.

00:16:40.100 You know, I see a lot of aggressive, really healthy aggressiveness on the part of young, younger conservatives.

00:17:01.620 And then, you know, there are Republicans like Devin Nunes and Jim Jordan, who are standing up, take no prisoners kind of guys.

00:17:14.920 And look at Sarah Huckabee. 0.96

00:17:16.900 She's just she's just tremendous, Sarah Huckabee.

00:17:20.640 You didn't see Republicans like that before.

00:17:23.480 And Kellyanne Conway.

00:17:24.980 And, you know, I could go on and on.

00:17:27.400 Yeah.

00:17:28.340 Tell me more about the Freedom Center.

00:17:29.920 I had really I've seen some of your work online and visiting the Restoration Weekend in Florida, which was a great conference.

00:17:37.400 I think it was the best conference I've been to in a decade.

00:17:39.820 It was so lively and confident.

00:17:42.400 I spent the misspent the first half of my life as a leftist.

00:17:46.060 So I just carried over the tactical smarts of the left.

00:17:53.220 The left is really good at politics.

00:17:55.320 They haven't had a new idea since 1848, but they managed to be competitive because they're so vicious and people get out of their way.

00:18:06.400 And I'm not suggesting that conservatives become leftists, but I'd like to see them maybe 10 or 20 percent more aggressive and in your face.

00:18:18.220 And unapologetic, that would be extremely helpful.

00:18:22.440 So what we've done, you know, we've always called the left the left at the Freedom Center.

00:18:28.340 And we were kind of Trumpians before Trump.

00:18:35.320 Yeah.

00:18:36.020 Well, I like your fighting style.

00:18:39.060 You know, it's a very American style.

00:18:42.040 You have the First Amendment to support you.

00:18:43.920 You have the Second Amendment to give you confidence.

00:18:47.380 It is a Trumpy style.

00:18:48.860 We're a little bit that way up here in Canada.

00:18:50.620 We fight, but our culture is not as much freedom oriented.

00:18:55.580 And I feel like we're losing some of our freedoms.

00:18:58.320 We're slipping away.

00:18:59.120 I think your First Amendment makes all the difference in the world.

00:19:02.660 It's the number one amendment under the sole of the left.

00:19:06.260 And I mean, the reality, I mean, the left is a totalitarian force.

00:19:10.440 They want to change everything.

00:19:11.640 And they're not in a real hurry to do it.

00:19:16.540 So they want to control everything.

00:19:18.840 And they can't stay and have one dissenting voice in the room.

00:19:24.520 But America is unique.

00:19:28.080 I mean, it's amazing.

00:19:30.020 It was an amazing creation.

00:19:32.000 And, you know, I see that it has a lot of admirers and followers in the world.

00:19:43.380 But so far, there's no state really like America that's built on these principles.

00:19:50.400 Well, listen, it's great to catch up with you.

00:19:52.260 I appreciate you Skyping to us from your home.

00:19:55.100 We'll keep watching the Horowitz Freedom Center and your many projects.

00:19:58.360 And hopefully I'll be able to join you again at Restoration Weekend.

00:20:02.800 First of all, I have a website at blackbookoftheamericanleft.com.

00:20:08.540 And you can see all the volumes, all the tables of contents, all the introductions, which really describe the books.

00:20:16.700 And all the reviews, or a lot of the reviews, are all up at blackbookoftheamericanleft.com.

00:20:23.740 And this volume, the final one, is about the two ideas that have ruled Western history for the last 200 years.

00:20:30.740 And one of them is the American idea of individual freedom, individual liberty, individual accountability.

00:20:38.480 That, in the words of Martin Luther King, we strive to judge people on the content of their character, not the color of their skin or their gender or orientation.

00:20:49.980 And the other idea is that communist idea, Marxist idea, it's called identity politics, it's racist.

00:20:57.740 And it insists on judging people first by the color of their skin or their gender or their sexual orientation.

00:21:06.980 And it has a view of the world that it's divided into oppressors and oppressed, takes away the agency and ability to make choices of the victim groups who are all people of color and women. 0.95

00:21:24.300 And it's so silly. 0.98

00:21:25.600 You know, just thinking about it, it's completely ridiculous. 0.98

00:21:31.380 But there is no group of people of color. 0.64

00:21:34.200 And we, English-speaking peoples, don't have a phrase like people of color.

00:21:40.580 It's an ideological term.

00:21:43.240 We don't say, here's a box of crayons of color.

00:21:45.740 It was invented by radicals to divide the world into the bad people who are white and straight and male, the evil people, and the victim people who are people of color. 1.00

00:22:00.540 But there is no such group of people of color with a common interest. 0.96

00:22:05.280 You know, if you think there is, tell that to the Rwandans, where the Hutus, who are black, massacred a million Tutsis who are also black. 0.98

00:22:18.560 So the oppressive group was black and the victim group was black. 0.94

00:22:23.100 But people's brains have been clued up by this ideology. 0.80

00:22:26.760 And they don't think twice.

00:22:30.480 They think, you know, like take the pro-choice movement.

00:22:34.280 If you took away the right to abortion, would that end women's choices? 1.00

00:22:41.940 Women choose. 1.00

00:22:43.020 They have to choose that sex. 0.96

00:22:45.000 They have to choose not to take precautions.

00:22:49.080 I mean, there are a few accidents every now and then.

00:22:52.080 So there's a lot of choices.

00:22:55.280 It's not oppression.

00:22:56.440 It's people disagreeing over, you know, the life of the unborn.

00:23:01.620 That's what it is, basically.

00:23:04.360 But every, you know, take the Starbucks incident recently where two big guys come into Starbucks and want to use the restroom.

00:23:16.520 And the much smaller female store manager says it's company policy that you have to buy something to use the restroom. 1.00

00:23:28.480 And that's to keep out the homeless.

00:23:31.720 And these guys say, hell no.

00:23:34.580 Well, we're going to do what we want, because basically we're bigger than you.

00:23:38.720 And she got scared and called the police.

00:23:40.660 And how is that a racial incident?

00:23:43.000 It isn't.

00:23:43.680 And this woman is suing Starbucks because, of course, the owner of Starbucks wants to run as a Democrat. 1.00

00:23:52.520 And it's got to pay obeisance to this racist ideology of identity politics. 0.99

00:23:59.980 Because he made it into a racial incident by having, you know, this stupid training, this diversity trainers. 1.00

00:24:11.700 They make fortunes over teaching nonsense and racism, basically, to teach people about their unconscious bias. 0.99

00:24:25.420 The left doesn't even have racists that it can go to war against.

00:24:29.940 So we're always talking about institutional racism, which is outlawed and doesn't exist.

00:24:35.380 And systemic racism, which is another mythology.

00:24:38.500 This book I've done, Ruling Ideas, is largely a critique of Marxism.

00:24:47.580 But it also has a chapter called America's Civil War.

00:24:51.800 And the reason we're in a civil war is because you can't have two competing ideologies.

00:24:56.920 One which is racist, which is the Democrats and the liberals, so-called, and the left.

00:25:02.760 And one which is individual-centered and says you judge people for who they are, not for where they came from or what the color of their skin is.

00:25:16.100 Now, I'll tell you, the left is going to lose this because by now in America, virtually every family has a black member, a Hispanic member, an Asian member, a gay member, and so forth. 0.76

00:25:31.320 So this straw man that they're beating up, these racist, old-right, neo-Nazis, it's such a pitiful minority that they don't even exert any influence in the culture. 0.95

00:25:50.840 Hmm. Well, this has been fascinating, and I look forward to reading it. 0.65

00:25:55.560 The ninth edition, the ninth volume of the Black Book of the American Left is called Ruling Ideas.

00:26:01.340 And we'll put that website link under the video for people can go directly there.

00:26:06.180 As you say, check out the tables of contents and order the book.

00:26:09.600 It's great to talk with you.

00:26:10.920 I'm a big fan, and I'll encourage our viewers to check out the Freedom Center.

00:26:14.560 You know, you have so many projects.

00:26:16.140 Thanks for fighting the fight, and hopefully we'll fight part of the same fight up here on the northern flank.

00:26:24.920 Okay. Good luck to you.

00:26:26.880 You've got to get rid of that jerk to know what a jackass. 1.00

00:26:30.240 Will do. 1.00

00:26:31.060 Thanks very much, David. Nice to meet you.

00:26:33.560 Well, there we have it.

00:26:34.680 David Horowitz is the leader of the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

00:26:39.380 They have a great variety of projects, and they have a conference that I visited last November called The Restoration Weekend.

00:26:47.940 And you heard about the new book called Ruling Ideas, the latest volume of the big black book of the American left.

00:26:56.000 Stay with us.

00:26:56.960 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:27:09.380 Welcome back.

00:27:11.080 Well, that was my interview with David Horowitz, and I'm sorry the Skype quality wasn't better, but I thought, still, it's good enough.

00:27:17.140 I mean, what he says is important, and the fights he's fought and the lessons he's learned from being on the inside.

00:27:22.600 And in some ways, I feel like we here at The Rebel are replicating in a small way what the David Horowitz Freedom Center does.

00:27:28.780 We have activist events.

00:27:30.820 We have protests and rallies.

00:27:32.500 We have conferences.

00:27:33.680 We've had The Rebel Live in Toronto.

00:27:35.360 Hopefully we'll do that in other cities.

00:27:37.220 We do things on campus.

00:27:39.560 We have a website called Campus Unmasked, if you haven't followed it yet.

00:27:43.280 So in our own ways, we're trying to fight like he does.

00:27:46.620 Thankfully, I don't come from the left.

00:27:48.300 I've always been a conservative, but I think his coming from the left gave him a special insider's knowledge.

00:27:54.280 That's our show for today.

00:27:55.740 I hope you enjoyed it.

00:27:56.760 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.

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Rebel News Podcast - June 14, 2018

Ezra Levant Show June 13 2018

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