Rebel News Podcast - Ezra Levant Show May 14 2018

00:00:00.000 Tonight, the New York Times finds an ISIS murderer living in Oakville, Ontario,

00:00:04.940 while the CBC and Justin Trudeau cover for him.

00:00:08.080 It's May 14th, and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.

00:00:16.680 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:20.520 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:24.220 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:27.200 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:37.820 Why haven't the dozens of ISIS terrorists returning to Canada from Syria and Iraq, why haven't they been prosecuted?

00:00:44.840 First of all, why are they being let back into Canada at all?

00:00:47.380 Second, why are we not arresting them and prosecuting them?

00:00:50.140 I mean, I know that the criminal law and courts and procedures and evidence and lawyers and witnesses,

00:00:55.840 those systems are not well suited to wars or terrorist wars.

00:01:00.200 Unlike a normal crime scene, it's not practical to get physical evidence or eyewitnesses,

00:01:04.260 that sort of thing, from a battleground, which is why we so rarely prosecute soldiers for crimes.

00:01:09.420 In general, whenever an enemy soldier is captured, he's just put in a prisoner of war camp and detained until the war is over.

00:01:15.800 Did you know that tens of thousands of German soldiers captured in the Second World War were sent by ship to Canada,

00:01:21.960 and then they put on the rail to a lot of them to Alberta, where they served up the war in camps?

00:01:27.740 And to be clear, these were regular soldiers.

00:01:29.580 They're not Nazi killers or concentration camp guards or anything.

00:01:33.660 But they were soldiers, so they weren't charged with crimes.

00:01:36.560 It wasn't even a prison, really.

00:01:38.200 They weren't being punished.

00:01:39.580 They were just being held until hostilities were over, and then they were allowed to go home.

00:01:43.340 Believe it or not, many chose to stay.

00:01:45.320 They preferred Canada to their bombed-out homeland. 0.97

00:01:48.880 So when the great terrorist war against the West began in earnest on 9-11,

00:01:53.420 the U.S. government set up a kind of POW camp for captured terrorists at the U.S. military base on Guantanamo Bay.

00:02:01.060 Those terrorists did not have the same legal rights as law-abiding soldiers of a foreign country.

00:02:06.140 I mean, they're not entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention because they're not soldiers.

00:02:11.160 They're actually much more akin to murderers, pirates.

00:02:16.020 And in the case of Omar Khadr, he actually was charged and convicted of murder, not just being a terrorist.

00:02:24.200 The rest of the terrorists in Guantanamo Bay are technically not criminals, even though most of them surely are.

00:02:28.980 They're not in prison.

00:02:30.620 They're just being kept out of the field of battle until the war is over,

00:02:33.240 which could be forever until Al-Qaeda and its offshoot ISIS surrender, which could be a while.

00:02:39.180 Which is why it's all so bizarre that George W. Bush and Barack Obama, after him, released so many Guantanamo Bay terrorists.

00:02:46.320 They did exactly what you'd expect them to do, go back to war against the West.

00:02:50.160 We've got to hold them until the war is over. 0.97

00:02:52.520 Anyways, my point is, why is Canada allowing ISIS terrorists just to come back to Canada from Syria and Iraq

00:02:58.600 and just live a normal life as if they were only away on some holiday that went bad or something?

00:03:04.560 Why have they not been arrested and prosecuted?

00:03:07.160 Or even, like I say, if the legal requirements for a prosecution for crimes would be hard to find,

00:03:12.220 why are they just not put in a POW-style camp, POW-style camp, until the war is over, like Guantanamo Bay?

00:03:17.920 The U.S. Supreme Court has ruled not once, but twice, that Guantanamo Bay is perfectly legal.

00:03:25.020 Both Republican and Democrat presidents have said so and used it.

00:03:29.560 If it's good enough for Barack Obama, it's certainly good enough for me.

00:03:33.480 So why haven't we done that?

00:03:35.700 My point is, you don't even have to meet the evidentiary case against a terrorist actually committing a crime.

00:03:40.340 You don't even need to have a confession of a crime, like with Omar Khadar,

00:03:44.420 or the Al-Qaeda propaganda videos of Omar Khadar assembling IEDs that he then used against Canadian and U.S. forces.

00:03:51.340 You don't need to prosecute a terrorist to hold them.

00:03:56.100 34,000 German POWs held in Canada until the Second World War was over were not prosecuted.

00:04:02.140 They were just kept in a prison war camp until the fighting was done.

00:04:06.880 Why not do that?

00:04:07.780 Well, why not actually prosecute them for the crime of joining a terrorist group itself?

00:04:13.640 As in, you don't need to prove that they did a murder in Syria or Iraq, as was proven in Omar Khadar's conviction.

00:04:20.560 He murdered a U.S. Army medic named Christopher Speer.

00:04:22.900 And as you know, rebel viewers have actually raised more than $200,000 for Sergeant Speer's two kids for the college fund.

00:04:28.340 So no need to prosecute for actual terrorism committed,

00:04:33.000 because the Canadian Criminal Code makes the mere act of joining a terrorist group or going overseas to join a terrorist group or even trying to go overseas to join a terrorist group.

00:04:43.460 That is a criminal offense in itself.

00:04:45.740 Here, I'll show you.

00:04:46.660 There are so many provisions in the Criminal Code that would apply to an ISIS terrorist who's trying to return to Canada,

00:04:52.600 even one that hadn't committed murder or rape, or that we would have evidentiary trouble proving he committed murder or rape beyond a reasonable doubt.

00:05:02.160 Let me read this to you from our Criminal Code.

00:05:04.760 It's called Participation in Activity of Terrorist Group.

00:05:08.480 It's Section 83.18, Sub 1 of the Criminal Code.

00:05:12.000 It's very simple.

00:05:14.100 Everyone who knowingly participates in or contributes to, directly or indirectly, any activity of a terrorist group for the purpose of enhancing the ability of any terrorist group to facilitate or carry out a terrorist activity,

00:05:28.020 is guilty of an indictable offense and liable to the imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years.

00:05:33.340 I think that's pretty plain English, right?

00:05:35.120 That's from our Criminal Code.

00:05:36.240 So you can get 10 years in prison just for helping a terrorist group.

00:05:39.760 Just for helping, you have to be a murderer yourself.

00:05:42.860 Here's a provision that's even easier to get, because to help a terrorist group, you've got to help them.

00:05:47.680 But what if you just go to help them?

00:05:50.680 I mean, that's a degree easier to prove.

00:05:53.360 It's several degrees easier to prove than a murder, right?

00:05:56.400 Well, look at this.

00:05:57.080 It's from our Criminal Code as well.

00:05:58.920 Section 83.181, Leaving Canada to Participate in Activity of Terrorist Group.

00:06:03.900 That's a crime in itself, did you know?

00:06:05.400 Let me read it.

00:06:06.060 Again, fairly plain English.

00:06:07.340 Everyone who leaves or attempts to leave Canada or goes or attempts to go on board a conveyance

00:06:16.780 with the intent to leave Canada for the purpose of committing an act or a mission outside Canada

00:06:22.140 that, if committed in Canada, would be an offense under subsection 83.181, that's what

00:06:27.440 I just read to you, is guilty of an indictable offense and liable to imprisonment for a term

00:06:31.720 of not more than 10 years.

00:06:32.620 So just going to join a terrorist group or trying to go, trying to get on a plane, trying

00:06:38.880 to get on a ship, that's a 10-year prison term.

00:06:41.720 Just for trying to get on the plane.

00:06:43.000 You don't have to get on the plane.

00:06:44.180 Just to try to get on the plane, you buy tickets.

00:06:47.420 There's so many laws on our books in addition to normal laws like murder and rape and treason.

00:06:51.940 I'll just read one more.

00:06:52.760 There's so many of these.

00:06:53.480 Trust me.

00:06:54.380 This one is section 83.221, sub one.

00:06:57.760 This is in our Criminal Code.

00:06:58.580 Look it up for yourself.

00:06:59.180 There's a lot of good reading in there.

00:07:00.100 It's simple, plain English.

00:07:01.700 I'll read it to you now.

00:07:03.680 Every person who, by communicating statements, knowingly advocates or promotes the commission

00:07:09.260 of terrorism offenses in general, other than an offense under this section, while knowing

00:07:15.100 that any of those offenses will be committed or being reckless as to whether any of those

00:07:18.360 offenses may be committed as a result of such communication, is guilty of an indictable

00:07:23.580 offense and is liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than five years.

00:07:26.820 Okay, there's lots of little clauses in there.

00:07:28.560 Let me sum it up.

00:07:29.940 Just advocating terrorism is a crime.

00:07:33.180 If your comments are likely to have an effect or you're reckless about it.

00:07:38.160 Five years of prison just for that.

00:07:41.760 So here's my point.

00:07:42.580 You see where I'm going here?

00:07:43.800 We have confessed ISIS terrorists who have come back to Canada and are just hanging out. 0.95

00:07:49.340 And there's one in Oakville, Ontario.

00:07:51.200 Hangs out at his family restaurant.

00:07:53.000 He's doing media interviews with the CBC and the New York Times.

00:07:56.380 And he's just hanging out.

00:07:59.580 He's just chilling.

00:08:01.900 No prosecution, no arrest, no 10 years in prison, no five years in prison, let alone

00:08:07.460 a POW-style camp till the war's over.

00:08:10.300 A few months back, we played you some of the footage of the CBC interviewing one of these

00:08:14.560 terrorists. 0.53

00:08:15.780 This guy admitted in great detail that he was a terrorist.

00:08:19.140 But the CBC hid his identity.

00:08:21.800 Do you remember this?

00:08:23.120 He's not a minor child.

00:08:25.200 There's no court-ordered publication ban or anything.

00:08:27.780 The CBC just agreed to not disclose his identity. 0.79

00:08:32.060 He's a terrorist out and about in Canada.

00:08:34.180 But now we learn the ISIS terrorist that the CBC bragged about, he actually confessed to

00:08:40.380 committing murder.

00:08:42.140 He confessed it to the New York Times.

00:08:43.980 Here's a clip of that from a New York Times podcast.

00:08:46.140 So at a certain point, you decide that you want to quit.

00:08:49.800 Yeah.

00:08:50.220 Can you, can you, was there one moment or a series of moments? 0.87

00:08:53.340 The second time I did the kill, I killed someone.

00:08:55.820 She was able to put together that Abu Huzaifa is a Canadian, that he had been inside the Islamic

00:09:01.160 state sometime, we believed in 2014, and that he had returned to Canada and was somehow

00:09:07.740 living in the general population.

00:09:09.340 So that little ISIS terrorist has been back in Canada for a couple of years, since at least 0.88

00:09:14.240 2016, and he has all the rights and privileges of a Canadian.

00:09:18.400 Free welfare, free health care, freedom of movement. 0.96

00:09:22.360 But he's a murderer. 0.78

00:09:23.580 He says so himself. 0.89

00:09:24.560 But the CBC still won't identify him.

00:09:27.360 Why?

00:09:28.320 Well, here's a clip from the CBC just over the weekend, still keeping his identity secret

00:09:33.160 from viewers and from the terrorist's neighbors.

00:09:36.440 If you lived in Oakville, wouldn't you want to know if the terrorist was living right next

00:09:39.980 to you?

00:09:40.340 Maybe if you ran a daycare.

00:09:41.880 Maybe you'd want to know if he was wandering around.

00:09:43.620 Maybe if you ran a Jewish synagogue or school or, frankly, any church, since ISIS mainly 0.94

00:09:48.660 killed Christians and Yazidis. 1.00

00:09:50.960 There really wasn't a lot of Jews on the ground in Iraq and Syria to murder.

00:09:53.880 If you had a Christian church in Oakville, let's say you were an Arab Christian who fled 1.00

00:09:58.480 there, wouldn't you want to know that a confessed ISIS murderer who believes in murdering 0.96

00:10:03.960 Christian men and raping Christian women, wouldn't you want to know who he was, what 0.99

00:10:09.500 he looked like, where he was? 1.00

00:10:11.160 I mean, isn't that pretty much the definition of news?

00:10:15.320 Well, the CBC News is keeping his identity a secret.

00:10:19.280 He denied the murder.

00:10:21.040 He said that he had made that up in the podcast to the New York Times, and he claimed that

00:10:25.820 he was projecting.

00:10:26.740 These are events that he says he witnessed, but he was not the person pulling the trigger.

00:10:30.740 He says he instead changed a third-person story to a first-person story.

00:10:36.540 Whose side are the CBC on?

00:10:39.560 I'm kidding, of course.

00:10:40.960 After their long campaign for the terrorist, oh, Mark Carter, do you really not know whose

00:10:45.500 side the CBC is on?

00:10:47.860 But the CBC is just a disgraced propaganda organization.

00:10:50.720 They're just PR men.

00:10:51.900 What about the people who actually have the legal and constitutional duty and power to implement

00:10:57.860 the laws?

00:10:59.520 Well, that would be this guy.

00:11:01.120 And here he is, being asked about ISIS terrorists a few months back in Parliament.

00:11:05.400 Mr. Speaker, it's this Prime Minister that's de-emphasizing Canadian security, and Canadians

00:11:09.860 are tired of it.

00:11:13.660 It was Conservatives who amended the Criminal Code to make it an offense to leave Canada

00:11:17.900 to fight for ISIS.

00:11:19.100 It was Conservatives who were focused on giving our law enforcement new tools to prosecute ISIS

00:11:23.860 fighters.

00:11:25.360 This Prime Minister is using a broad spectrum that includes poetry and podcasts and all

00:11:31.320 kinds of counselling and group hug sessions, Mr. Speaker.

00:11:33.900 When will the Prime Minister take the security of Canadians seriously and look for ways to

00:11:38.100 put these ISIS fighters in jail?

00:11:41.520 The Honourable Prime Minister.

00:11:44.020 Mr. Speaker, the Conservative Party learned nothing from the last election and the lessons

00:11:48.880 Canadians taught them.

00:11:50.000 They ran an election on snitch lines against Muslims.

00:11:54.480 They ran an election on Islamophobia and division.

00:11:58.680 And still, they play the same games trying to scare Canadians. 0.50

00:12:03.800 The fact is, we always focus on the security of Canadians, and we always will.

00:12:09.720 And they play politics of fear, and Canadians reject that.

00:12:15.320 Trudeau sure is passionate when he defends ISIS returnees, isn't he?

00:12:18.720 He's so passionate.

00:12:20.000 And he calls anyone who criticizes a terrorist and Islamophobe.

00:12:24.760 When news of this murderer was brought up last week, the New York Times revealed he committed

00:12:30.840 a murder.

00:12:31.720 Here's what Trudeau said in Parliament.

00:12:33.800 Mr. Speaker, an ISIS terrorist who returned to Canada in the past few years recently gave

00:12:38.240 an interview with the New York Times podcast, The Caliphate.

00:12:41.620 In the podcast, Abu Husayr states that he worked for ISIS enforcing Sharia law in Syria.

00:12:47.460 He brags about getting splattered with blood while brutally lashing people who broke their

00:12:52.540 laws.

00:12:53.420 And he proudly admits to murdering ISIS prisoners and having, and he said, the bloody, irony

00:12:59.320 smell on his hands. 0.80

00:13:00.980 When is the Prime Minister going to stop allowing these bloodthirsty terrorists to walk on our

00:13:06.020 streets, but throw them in jail instead? 0.97

00:13:08.180 Mr. Speaker, once again we see the Conservatives trying to drum up fear as a way of political

00:13:20.160 attack.

00:13:21.220 We have every reason to be responsible and serious about how we protect the integrity of

00:13:26.060 Canadians and the safety of our communities.

00:13:28.420 But quite frankly, illustrations like that question, or for example, the attack ads they put out

00:13:36.100 that featured footage of ISIS executions for political gain are below the norm and shouldn't

00:13:42.360 be acceptable in Canada.

00:13:43.820 And the Conservatives have a lot to answer for if they're going to keep up that same approach

00:13:47.720 in the upcoming election.

00:13:49.780 He's passionate for ISIS. 0.97

00:13:52.060 Those aren't non-answers.

00:13:53.580 I mean, a non-answer is no answer.

00:13:56.080 That was an answer.

00:13:57.440 His answer is, stop asking about terrorists or I'll call you a racist.

00:14:02.400 It's not legitimate to ask about terrorists and murders, or he'll smear you, and he'll

00:14:07.860 smear anyone who agrees with you.

00:14:10.600 If you have a worry or a criticism about terrorists and murderers walking through our neighborhoods,

00:14:15.180 your divisive and your voice should be silenced.

00:14:18.960 But the terrorists themselves and their voice?

00:14:21.580 Well, look at this.

00:14:22.380 We have security agencies that are engaged on this file very much, but there's also a

00:14:28.520 lot of community outreach going on.

00:14:30.560 We know that actually someone who has engaged and turned away from that hateful ideology can

00:14:39.880 be an extraordinarily powerful voice for preventing radicalization in future generations and younger

00:14:47.680 people within the community.

00:14:49.780 If you're worried and you voice your worries, you're divisive.

00:14:54.780 If a terrorist and a murderer comes back, well, his voice is extraordinarily powerful.

00:15:01.500 Yet Trudeau wants to hear what they have to say.

00:15:04.500 They'll teach us.

00:15:06.280 The terrorists will teach us.

00:15:10.220 Justin Trudeau isn't neutral as between good and evil, which would be bad enough.

00:15:14.300 He's not neutral between Canada and ISIS.

00:15:18.820 He's on their side.

00:15:21.560 Stay with us for more.

00:15:22.580 Go to the Hamilton Board of Education and report this.

00:15:41.720 They're going to call the police and they're going to call parents and all that.

00:15:43.980 We don't do that.

00:15:45.800 We don't do that here.

00:15:46.640 I'm here to defend even the worst people.

00:15:50.940 God forbid if a child, and I hate to keep using this, was sexually mistreated.

00:15:56.140 And a person came and said, listen, Dave, I made a mistake.

00:15:58.700 First of all, I'm going to be pissed off because you don't do that.

00:16:02.000 But it's my job.

00:16:03.320 It's almost like being a priest.

00:16:04.860 It's my job to protect.

00:16:06.200 So what do you mean by sexual misconduct?

00:16:09.220 Because he touched her hair?

00:16:10.720 It's not sexual.

00:16:11.480 Was it right?

00:16:12.100 No.

00:16:12.740 But you see, you get it down to the lowest level possible.

00:16:16.640 Well, there you have it.

00:16:17.860 A teachers union boss in New Jersey telling undercover journalists from Project Veritas

00:16:22.940 that even if there's an allegation of sexual misconduct,

00:16:27.160 the teacher's job is not to protect the student, or certainly not to advise the parents,

00:16:31.800 but rather to protect the person who engaged in the Harvey Weinstein behavior.

00:16:37.840 Well, that undercover report landed like a bombshell.

00:16:40.440 And look at this story.

00:16:42.060 New Jersey teachers union bosses actually resigned.

00:16:46.800 And the New Jersey Education Association, that's the name of their union,

00:16:49.640 will face lawmakers over the video.

00:16:53.020 Another example of Project Veritas doing outstanding journalism and getting real results.

00:16:58.380 Well, that's not it.

00:16:59.700 Joining us now via Skype is the boss of Project Veritas, our friend James O'Keefe,

00:17:03.740 who has more news on teachers unions.

00:17:05.380 James, first of all, congratulations.

00:17:07.220 Another scoop.

00:17:08.480 If you were on the left, you would have more Pulitzer Prizes than any living journalist.

00:17:12.660 But you're on the right, so you have to, unfortunately,

00:17:14.800 merely live off the gratitude of every viewer out there.

00:17:18.440 Thank you.

00:17:19.620 Give me the latest, though, on your undercover investigations into teachers union bosses.

00:17:24.420 Well, you saw that one.

00:17:25.820 That president has resigned on Friday.

00:17:28.520 The Trentonian reported Trenton, New Jersey.

00:17:31.380 Another, Kathleen Valencia, the president of the Union City office, has also resigned.

00:17:35.700 Two union presidents in New Jersey have resigned.

00:17:38.240 There's the governor of New Jersey and the state senate president have launched

00:17:41.480 legislating hearings as a result of these videos.

00:17:44.740 You also have a video dropped this morning in Michigan.

00:17:47.240 The Michigan executive director of the Education Association, that's one of the largest teachers

00:17:53.020 unions in the state of Michigan, was caught on a hidden camera.

00:17:56.600 We released the video this morning.

00:17:58.460 He said it's your choice whether you want to mandatory report child abuse.

00:18:03.620 He also said that he does not want the child abuser to be investigated.

00:18:07.880 He says, we don't want you to be investigated.

00:18:10.560 So this is an ongoing series.

00:18:12.460 People have been fired, resigned.

00:18:14.940 The people in the tapes, you couldn't make up a caricature of a union executive if you

00:18:19.120 had written one.

00:18:20.340 And Randy Weingarten tried to issue a restraining order against us in federal court.

00:18:24.560 So a lot of tapes, ongoing series here, and I'm sure there'll be some fallout from this

00:18:29.680 latest Michigan video.

00:18:30.680 Well, I would stand here.

00:18:31.520 Let's play it.

00:18:32.020 We've got a clip from your Michigan undercover operation.

00:18:34.580 We'll show that now.

00:18:35.180 Take a look.

00:18:36.100 And you said there's been like similar things.

00:18:40.120 I mean, I've had where teachers have pushed kids and pushed them down and it hasn't come

00:18:45.220 out.

00:18:46.120 I've had it that way.

00:18:48.080 I've had it.

00:18:48.440 But it's happened like here?

00:18:50.280 I'm talking in other schools.

00:18:51.960 Nugent is saying he has seen this kind of thing before and little or nothing is done

00:18:57.100 about it.

00:18:57.560 I've had it where like I had a coach one time and he's teaching me to, you know, push

00:19:02.520 a kid and push him down on my ground.

00:19:04.700 It was reported and then he ended up with a six-day suspension.

00:19:09.180 It's not an accident also.

00:19:12.620 There you have it.

00:19:13.720 In Michigan now, James, the way he was talking, it seems like standard operating procedure is

00:19:21.000 defend teachers even if or especially if they actually did it.

00:19:27.540 And in terms of reporting to police, to parents, that's sort of the opposite of what they do.

00:19:32.920 I mean, it couldn't be clearer to me.

00:19:35.780 Yeah.

00:19:36.060 The whole narrative is that they care about the children.

00:19:39.580 And if you question the public employee unions, you hate children or you're against the children.

00:19:45.800 These tapes seem to indicate that they don't like the children, that in fact their job is

00:19:51.040 to protect the worst.

00:19:52.760 And the fact that this guy in the Michigan Education Association says it's your choice

00:19:56.960 whether you want to engage in mandatory reporting, that is not a choice.

00:20:01.540 What possible way could that be a choice if you're aware of sexual abuse of a child?

00:20:09.300 So this one is a little more subdued.

00:20:12.160 This guy in Michigan is much more subdued than the man you saw a few minutes ago in New Jersey.

00:20:16.780 But it's the same issue.

00:20:17.900 They're covering up child abuse and it's the heart and soul of who these people are.

00:20:22.680 It's not an isolated incident.

00:20:24.600 And I guarantee you that in the next 24 hours, we will see a statement.

00:20:27.620 We'll see a reaction to what this guy has said and done.

00:20:30.240 You know, the cover-up culture of these teachers unions, it's not just dealing with the teachers.

00:20:36.560 It was dealing with your journalism.

00:20:39.100 Let's put it up on the screen.

00:20:40.640 I think you alluded to this a moment ago, that the Michigan Teachers Union, this is an attempt

00:20:47.840 to have the Eastern District of Michigan, Southern Division, U.S. District Court, to have

00:20:54.940 them put a restraining order on you that you ought not to be able to publish your videos.

00:21:02.500 And, you know, on what basis did they do this?

00:21:07.700 I mean, they were denied.

00:21:09.740 But what did they claim and what did the judge say in response?

00:21:12.540 Well, they claim that we are criminals who fake videos, maliciously interfere with videos

00:21:20.780 and all this sort of thing that you've heard, you know, on Google and my Wikipedia page and

00:21:25.940 by the culture that we're fake and we're hoaxters and we're going to put out fake information.

00:21:30.880 And the judge, the federal, they did it twice, Ezra, twice, two attempts at a restraining order.

00:21:36.780 We won the first time and then they asked the judge to overrule the first decision.

00:21:41.500 So the second time, the judge was like, this is a First Amendment issue.

00:21:45.520 Unless it's a matter of national security, you can't stop a journalist from publishing

00:21:50.460 information.

00:21:52.280 But unfortunately, we reached an era in our society when they want to jail us for exposing

00:21:58.800 facts.

00:21:59.360 I can't make it up.

00:22:01.500 It fits with the narrative.

00:22:02.860 I mean, if they are willing to hide child abuse to begin with, it's no surprise to me

00:22:07.400 that they would take steps to stop you from aiding the whistleblowers.

00:22:11.820 Can I ask you a question?

00:22:12.960 We just recently had a lawsuit in Canada here.

00:22:16.360 An alt-left extremist punched one of our reporters in the face and we went to court to

00:22:20.880 get a little justice.

00:22:22.060 We had to pay, obviously, all our own legals.

00:22:24.100 And when we won the case, we got merely $1,000 in costs from the alt-left violence.

00:22:29.360 Thug.

00:22:30.220 When you win a restraining order case like this, when your First Amendment protects

00:22:35.140 you, and boy, it makes me jealous, James, that you've got that First Amendment, do you

00:22:38.840 get any cost consequences?

00:22:40.540 Did the teachers union have to pay for your lawyers in any way?

00:22:42.860 Not to my knowledge, but that's a good point.

00:22:46.080 I'll follow up with our general counsel, but not to my knowledge.

00:22:49.400 I don't think people realize just how expensive our legal bills are.

00:22:53.380 We're constantly facing these fights in court.

00:22:56.580 They use the law to bludgeon us.

00:22:57.920 In any other situation, Ezra, if CBS News or the New York Times had restraining orders against

00:23:05.640 them or issued in federal court, they would never do that.

00:23:09.640 I mean, that's absurd.

00:23:10.640 Harvey Weinstein, restraining order, restraining order against the New York Times.

00:23:14.360 And he did try to sue the New York Times, but that went away in like a few hours.

00:23:17.620 And I think that, yeah.

00:23:19.300 Well, not just that, but I think other organizations would come to their aid.

00:23:24.940 The ACLU would probably intervene on their behalf, probably Reporters Without Borders, and

00:23:30.340 others would intervene as a sign of solidarity.

00:23:33.260 I mean, journalists sometimes travel in a pack when they're protecting each other, and

00:23:36.540 I think that's generally a good thing.

00:23:38.380 But I just got a question.

00:23:40.120 I think I know the answer before I put it.

00:23:41.980 No other journalistic organization has ever intervened to protect your free speech, have

00:23:46.080 they?

00:23:47.820 Never.

00:23:48.600 Never.

00:23:48.980 I mean, they want, the Washington Post won a Pulitzer Prize three weeks ago, Ezra, for

00:23:54.200 investigating Project Veritas.

00:23:56.000 I'm not making that.

00:23:56.780 Oh, my God.

00:23:57.580 Oh, my God.

00:23:59.460 Yeah, because, oh, jeez, that says it all, doesn't it?

00:24:01.640 If you read the article on the Washington Post, because they compromised one of our undercover

00:24:05.880 reporters in November who tried to meet with the Washington Post under alias as a source

00:24:11.900 to get a meeting to record conversations about Russia and about their bias.

00:24:17.580 We got some comments from some other reporters.

00:24:19.420 So the Washington Post discovered that this was an undercover reporter, and they won the

00:24:24.100 Pulitzer Prize for investigating me.

00:24:25.880 They really, I mean, they really hate us, Ezra, in a way that most people don't realize.

00:24:31.080 It is an existential hate because we're doing the things that they maybe should be doing, and they're jealous, they're upset.

00:24:39.780 They can't abide the fact that we break these stories to get consequences, and a lot of other reasons.

00:24:46.180 But no, Ezra, no organization ever comes to our defense.

00:24:50.140 We don't expect that, I think, that we need to become the media.

00:24:53.320 We get the results, we bypass the media, and we force the media to report on the results.

00:24:56.780 So this teachers' union story has already caught two presidents to be fired, resigned, whatever you want to call it.

00:25:02.440 They have left their jobs.

00:25:04.040 Democrat politicians in New Jersey have called for investigations.

00:25:07.580 And we're just going to keep going, Ezra.

00:25:08.920 That's the best we can do and deliver the information right to the people.

00:25:12.740 Outstanding.

00:25:13.240 Amazing.

00:25:13.620 You know, let me close on this, James.

00:25:15.040 I know you've got to go.

00:25:15.820 You've got so many other interviews to do of this amazing story.

00:25:19.360 I was once sued by George Soros, and I thought that was quite a feather in my cap.

00:25:24.700 But you're taking on Jeff Bezos and his Washington Post, who's, I think, seven times bigger, tougher, richer.

00:25:31.120 So you're seven times braver than me, James O'Keefe, and it's great to have you as an ally.

00:25:36.920 Tell us the website where people can go and check you out and even give you a few bucks to help with your legal bills.

00:25:43.080 It's projectveritas.com, V-E-R-I-T-A-S.com.

00:25:48.540 Make a $10 donation.

00:25:50.000 Help us, you know, fund the salaries of our journalists.

00:25:52.280 They're not free.

00:25:52.780 We don't have advertisers.

00:25:54.220 We don't face boycotts, and we go after the sacred cows.

00:25:56.940 More videos coming.

00:25:58.500 More fallout from today's video.

00:26:00.480 Follow us on Twitter, Project Veritas.

00:26:02.920 Stay tuned.

00:26:03.660 There you have it.

00:26:04.340 James O'Keefe, pound for pound, the most effective journalist in North America.

00:26:07.880 Great to have you on the show.

00:26:08.700 Thanks for your time.

00:26:09.840 Thank you, Ezra.

00:26:10.680 All right.

00:26:11.120 Stay with us.

00:26:11.860 More ahead on The Revel.

00:26:13.080 Russia, as part of their sophisticated information and disinformation operations, 0.57

00:26:32.800 engage actively with so-called non-governmental organizations,

00:26:37.680 environmental organizations working against shale gas, obviously, to maintain European dependence

00:26:49.580 on imported Russian gas.

00:26:53.300 That's my interpretation.

00:26:54.340 Well, that was Anders Fogh Rasmussen, who was the head of NATO several years ago, when

00:27:00.240 he said, I think what should strike everyone as obvious is that Vladimir Putin, the former

00:27:05.480 KGB agent who is now the president of Russia, has no compunction in undermining and infiltrating 0.60

00:27:12.480 Western environmentalist NGOs for commercial purposes, to get them to object to fracking and

00:27:20.320 other sources of energy and other sources of energy that would prove rivals and competition to Russia's gas problem and other energy companies.

00:27:28.700 Of course, oil and gas represent about 40% of Russia's state income.

00:27:34.760 And so a modest investment of, what, $100 million in anti-fracking propaganda, there's a high rate of return on that.

00:27:42.620 Well, I've been talking about this for years, and it was such a pleasure to read a thoughtful summary of Russia's anti-Western energy propaganda.

00:27:52.460 And it's a piece in the Hill Times, sorry, the Hill, out of Washington, D.C., headline, Russian trolls are pitting Americans against energy industry.

00:28:03.500 And the author of that essay, Dr. Merrill Matthews, is a resident scholar with the Institute for Policy Innovation.

00:28:09.820 He joins us now via Skype from Dallas, Texas.

00:28:13.000 Dr. Matthews, what a pleasure to have you on the show.

00:28:15.280 So we're always a little bit skeptical of people who say Russia, Russia, Russia, because for a year we've seen the politicization of Russian collusion.

00:28:24.400 But in this case, we actually have hard evidence, including that which was described by Anders Fograsmussen four years ago.

00:28:31.720 Russia really doesn't want the West to be fracking, does it?

00:28:35.020 It does not want the West to be fracking, because, as you point out,

00:28:38.500 they receive such a large portion of their government revenues from oil and gas revenue.

00:28:44.260 And so they have been apparently undermining the fracking movement in the U.S.

00:28:51.280 And some of this has been revealed by Representative Lamar Alexander, a congressman from Texas,

00:28:57.460 who published a letter to the Secretary of the Treasury last year highlighting some of the ways that Russia was funneling money

00:29:08.020 through money laundering organizations to the environmental movement.

00:29:12.680 Now, then recently in March, he released another paper where they had gone out to ask some of the social media groups,

00:29:21.620 Twitter, Facebook and Instagram.

00:29:23.880 You're saying you have evidence of Russia backing some of the tweets and other things that are going on there.

00:29:30.980 Can you give us some of those?

00:29:32.480 And Facebook did Facebook, Instagram, Twitter handed that over to the congressman, and he highlighted he's got thousands of tweets and other social media things

00:29:44.580 where the Russians are out there doing things mostly backing the environmental movement against fracking and other types of oil and gas production.

00:29:53.580 Some of it actually supported it, but most of it backed the anti-fracking movement.

00:30:00.040 Yeah.

00:30:00.380 Well, we've had reports throughout Europe, especially in places like Poland, where fracking was a real prospect,

00:30:07.740 and other Eastern European countries that agents provocateurs who had connections back to the KGB or even pre-Soviet era secret police

00:30:21.820 were behind some of the movements against fracking because there's so many parts of Europe.

00:30:26.020 I mean, I don't think there's any way to stop fracking in America.

00:30:30.140 Yeah, you can have moratoriums in certain states, but the genie's out of the bottle, especially in Texas, Pennsylvania.

00:30:36.920 There's so much fracking going on in America and even in Western Canada.

00:30:40.520 But Europe, it really is still born.

00:30:42.880 Wouldn't you agree with me, doctor, that, I mean, whether it's France or Poland, there's so much natural gas there,

00:30:48.360 and almost none of it's been produced?

00:30:50.140 I've actually seen statements from various industry leaders there in the European Union who have said,

00:30:58.960 we're not going to do fracking.

00:31:00.160 That's just not us.

00:31:01.680 And so you have to wonder, well, why is it that?

00:31:04.880 If you're able to go and access this and increase production, especially with Eastern Europe,

00:31:10.500 which has been so heavily dependent upon Russia for natural gas, if you have that access,

00:31:16.100 why wouldn't you go ahead and do it?

00:31:17.580 Yeah. Well, one of the countries in the European Union that buys natural gas from Russia,

00:31:26.420 almost every European country does, and some of them, I mean, Germany,

00:31:29.900 it's about a third of their energy comes from Russia.

00:31:32.640 And their former chancellor, Gerhard Schrader, was actually an executive on a Gazprom board,

00:31:37.480 which is a troubling post-political life.

00:31:41.900 But the U.K. itself buys a fair amount of its energy from Russia, which I find disturbing.

00:31:48.140 There's such a key part of NATO.

00:31:49.880 The U.K. is in a bit of a diplomatic tiff with Russia these days.

00:31:53.560 Do you see any prospect that they might allow some fracking?

00:31:57.860 Because, you know, they have natural gas prospects there, both offshore and onshore.

00:32:03.060 Sure, they have companies ready to go.

00:32:04.660 But they've been a real lefty, anti-fracking hotbed.

00:32:08.400 Does the latest quarrel with Russia maybe give them a chance to get their own energy?

00:32:14.180 We'll have to see.

00:32:15.200 But one of the developments that's happening is that the U.S. is now exporting natural gas

00:32:20.380 in a liquefied process, the LNG process.

00:32:23.780 And President Trump has made the case that he thinks a lot of our Western European allies

00:32:31.300 would love to have an alternative to the Russian source.

00:32:38.020 And if we are able to produce it for a lot less than the U.K. and some of the European countries,

00:32:44.300 it may be both good for them politically.

00:32:47.840 They don't have to do fracking if that's a problem for them politically. 0.99

00:32:50.680 But also, they may be able to get it cheaper from us and then solve two problems.

00:32:55.380 Yeah.

00:32:55.780 Well, you know, Doctor, I'll have to send you a copy of a couple of my old books.

00:32:59.480 You probably haven't seen them.

00:33:00.460 One was called Ethical Oil.

00:33:02.720 And another was called Groundswell About Fracking.

00:33:05.680 And I have this theory.

00:33:07.400 Don't mind me.

00:33:08.160 I mean, some of my viewers have heard this from me once or twice before,

00:33:10.580 that ethical energy from the West is morally superior to conflict energy from countries

00:33:18.760 like Russia, Qatar, Iran, which are the three big reserves countries for natural gas.

00:33:24.760 I've got one last question for you.

00:33:26.320 I've got to send you a copy of my books just for fun because it sounds like you and I...

00:33:29.880 Please, dude, I'm probably one of your few guests who actually taught ethics at the college level,

00:33:34.720 and I agree with you completely.

00:33:36.400 Well, you know, I mean, most people in economics and trade just talk about dollars and cents,

00:33:42.000 and that's legit.

00:33:43.440 But for...

00:33:44.400 You talked about political concerns, especially Europeans.

00:33:46.740 They care about the environment, peace, the treatment of workers, and civil rights.

00:33:51.300 And all four out of four of those measures, the United States and Canada produce more ethical

00:33:56.900 energy than Qatar, Iran, and Russia.

00:33:58.800 But don't mind me.

00:33:59.460 I went on attention there.

00:34:00.400 I've got one last question for you.

00:34:01.920 Doctor, by the way, I really recommend that.

00:34:03.500 Can we show that article from The Hill one more time for those who haven't found it there?

00:34:07.540 It's called Russian Trolls Are Pitting Americans Against Energy Industry.

00:34:10.700 And there's some links to the study.

00:34:12.780 The director of national intelligence was writing about this even before the Mueller-Russia collusion

00:34:17.800 story.

00:34:18.340 So I think it's a legit concern.

00:34:20.620 Doctor, I have one last question for you.

00:34:22.680 Here in Canada, we have an awful lot of natural gas and oil.

00:34:26.940 We have more reserves here than the United States does.

00:34:29.580 But our LNG, liquefied natural gas, our oil sands pipelines, are still born because of

00:34:37.460 foreign-funded, foreign-based environmental groups.

00:34:40.540 And we've seen Patronus pull out of a $36 billion LNG project in Western Canada.

00:34:48.240 My observation, and I'd love your reaction to this, my observation are that the groups

00:34:54.280 that are targeting Canadian fracking pipelines, LNG and oil sands, the green pieces of the

00:35:00.620 world, for example, the Sierra clubs of the world, I have never in my life seen them criticize

00:35:06.920 OPEC countries such as Qatar, the world's largest, you know, they're by far the largest

00:35:12.420 on the natural gas side.

00:35:14.340 Do you think, and even if it's just speculation, do you think that there is a similar infiltration

00:35:22.600 or pressure from OPEC countries to get Western environmental groups to ignore conflict oil

00:35:31.960 and just focus their wrath on Canada and the United States and Western Europe?

00:35:36.300 I've never seen the Greenpeace press release against Saudi Arabia.

00:35:39.380 I've never seen the Sierra Club press release against Qatar.

00:35:41.620 What do you think?

00:35:43.060 You know, a little while back, James O'Keefe, who does some underground steam things, met

00:35:49.440 with some prominent Hollywood liberals to make a movie, and they said, we're from the

00:35:56.740 Middle East, we make all our money on oil, and we would like to fund an anti-oil and gas 1.00

00:36:02.680 pro-environment movie.

00:36:04.340 Would you be willing to take that money?

00:36:05.980 And they recorded this, and they said, absolutely, we're fine with taking that money.

00:36:10.660 To fight the oil and gas production in the U.S., and it was just funny because it was,

00:36:16.520 they were posing as Middle Eastern oil barons.

00:36:21.240 Yeah, I remember that.

00:36:22.360 You know, we're good friends with James O'Keefe.

00:36:23.680 In fact, he's going to be on the show today talking about some other exploits.

00:36:26.940 What a coincidence you mentioned that.

00:36:28.540 Well, listen, Dr. Matthews, it's nice to meet you.

00:36:30.620 I really enjoyed your article in The Hill.

00:36:32.220 I'd encourage our viewers to find it.

00:36:33.500 I am going to send you a courtesy copy of my books, just for fun.

00:36:37.020 You can use them if you have a short leg of the table to prop it up or something.

00:36:40.940 Be sure you sign it.

00:36:42.400 I absolutely will.

00:36:43.440 I think it's important that Canada, the United States, the U.K., and as many of our European

00:36:48.060 democracy allies get into the energy business ourselves.

00:36:52.020 Because if we're not buying and producing our own energy in an ethical way, we're buying

00:36:56.040 it from a conflict producer.

00:36:57.980 And I regard America as an ally in this and a role model.

00:37:01.720 The fact that you're exporting now makes me jealous.

00:37:05.280 I wish our country had our act together like you do.

00:37:07.480 Last word to you, doctor.

00:37:09.440 This is not only a pro-growth issue anymore.

00:37:12.720 It is a national security issue.

00:37:14.960 We need energy independence.

00:37:16.580 And the U.S. and Canada together can actually get pretty close to energy independence just

00:37:21.540 between the two of us.

00:37:22.720 Yeah, you're so right.

00:37:23.540 Well, what a pleasure.

00:37:24.280 Nice to meet you.

00:37:24.900 Thanks for taking the time with us.

00:37:26.960 Thank you.

00:37:27.720 All right.

00:37:28.060 There you have it.

00:37:28.540 Dr. Merrill Matthews.

00:37:29.740 He's a Ph.D. and a resident scholar with the Institute for Policy Innovation.

00:37:35.000 Boy, I got to tell you, I'm jealous those Americans exporting their oil and gas while 0.99

00:37:38.780 we here in Canada delay for yet another decade.

00:37:41.680 Stay with us.

00:37:42.300 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:37:43.200 Hey, welcome back on my monologue Friday about the media protecting the identities of professional

00:37:59.720 anti-oil activists.

00:38:00.820 As Peter writes, of course, the media is hiding the activist identity.

00:38:05.340 The mainstream media always pretends that the pipeline protests are all local grassroots

00:38:09.100 folks concerned about that evil oil coming through that evil pipeline. 0.69

00:38:13.500 So to have a protester that is paid from out of town and even from out of country goes counter

00:38:19.400 to the narrative they have so carefully crafted over the years.

00:38:22.000 You're so right.

00:38:24.320 And I say again, I know I've told you this before, that I really didn't get to know these professional

00:38:28.380 protesters until I moved out to Toronto from Calgary because there's not a lot of professional

00:38:32.760 protesters in Calgary or Edmonton.

00:38:34.860 There are a few and there's more because of Rachel Notley these days.

00:38:37.920 But I really didn't get to know them until I moved to Toronto and I went to Occupy Toronto.

00:38:42.620 And I was there for a good hour and I met a lot of people that got to know their names.

00:38:47.260 And then I saw them a few weeks later in anti-oil protests.

00:38:50.680 And I saw them and I saw them at an anti-Barrick gold protest.

00:38:54.840 Like I saw literally the same people.

00:38:57.320 And I was new to the city and I had only met these people two, three times.

00:39:02.020 And I got to know them already.

00:39:03.300 Don't tell me that lifelong journalists who had been on the reporting beat for five,

00:39:10.180 10, 20 years, don't tell me they don't know who these people are.

00:39:15.000 If they don't know who these people are, they're terrible journalists.

00:39:18.080 And I don't think they're terrible journalists.

00:39:19.940 I think they know who they are and they're choosing to keep it secret, private, irrelevant,

00:39:25.660 as you say, because the narrative is grassroots Canadians versus big oil as opposed to big

00:39:32.180 foreign anti-oil lobby groups versus ordinary Canadians.

00:39:36.700 Drew writes, these traders will be the first to whine and complain when the well runs dry

00:39:41.640 and the handouts are no longer there.

00:39:44.300 Well, Drew, you could be referring to so many things.

00:39:46.420 If you're talking about the professional protesters in Vancouver, well, Vancouver has been blessed

00:39:52.220 with the most expensive gasoline in North America.

00:39:55.580 And they're whining about it, including their premier.

00:39:57.660 Don't you see a disconnect?

00:39:58.800 You're complaining about high gas prices, but the NDP wants to block a pipeline, supply

00:40:04.640 and demand.

00:40:05.560 I don't think they get it.

00:40:07.420 Tammy writes, professional agitators should be treated like the criminals they are.

00:40:11.760 Charges are not enough.

00:40:13.000 Heavy fines should accompany guilty verdicts.

00:40:15.540 Well, we heard from, we heard of reports of the RCMP being told to lay the lowest possible

00:40:24.020 charges even when they themselves have been assaulted.

00:40:27.040 And that shantytown, that camp cloud that's set up on the side of the road there, do you 0.99

00:40:32.180 think you'd be able to set up a little shantytown by the side of a busy road with impunity? 0.96

00:40:36.740 Of course not.

00:40:37.780 And now the city's spending $60,000 to protect them?

00:40:40.700 Don't tell me that would happen to anyone.

00:40:42.800 That's just only to a favored political class.

00:40:45.420 Yeah.

00:40:46.040 I think that we need to have the rule of law, which is if you're left-wing or right-wing,

00:40:50.540 you're subject to the same punishments.

00:40:52.340 And I just don't think that's the way it is in Canada.

00:40:54.320 And I don't think we have the rule of law, and I don't think Trudeau is willing to enforce

00:40:57.760 the rule of law.

00:40:58.740 The one liberal cabinet minister who briefly mused about it, Jim Carr, the energy minister

00:41:03.280 from Winnipeg, he was immediately fraud-marched out by Justin Trudeau to apologize for saying

00:41:08.180 that the police or the army would enforce the law against eco-terrorists.

00:41:11.400 So yeah, I know who's going to win this battle.

00:41:13.980 By the way, in case you've forgotten, the end of May is when Kinder Morgan said it's going

00:41:19.300 to have its final drop-down decision on the pipeline.

00:41:22.700 I'm not saying it's impossible for them to be persuaded to stay.

00:41:26.020 I suppose if Justin Trudeau cut them a $10 billion check, they would just be, they would 0.99

00:41:30.840 say this guy is so stupid and then so much money will stick around. 1.00

00:41:33.800 But failing some insane move like that, it's just not going to happen. 1.00

00:41:37.420 And by the way, do you really think Justin Trudeau would give Bombardier kind of money

00:41:40.820 to a Texas-based company to stay invested in our bird NBC?

00:41:44.480 Not bloody likely.

00:41:45.860 All right, folks, that's our show for today.

00:41:47.300 I hope you enjoyed it until tomorrow.

00:41:49.480 On behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - May 15, 2018

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