Rebel News Podcast - Ezra Levant Show May 15 2018

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a routine speeding ticket leads to a false accusation of racism.

00:00:04.600 I'll show you the video.

00:00:05.960 It's May 15th, and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.

00:00:14.420 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:18.200 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:21.920 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:25.260 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it

00:00:28.880 is because it's my bloody right to do so.

00:00:35.420 I want to show you two videos.

00:00:37.440 They're from the state of Virginia, but really, they could be from anywhere in Canada,

00:00:41.840 the United Kingdom, Australia, too.

00:00:44.760 This is the first video that was published to the Internet,

00:00:47.560 but I'm actually going to show it to you second.

00:00:50.160 It's a woman driving in her car after receiving a speeding ticket.

00:00:55.040 It has received hundreds of thousands of views.

00:00:57.620 Actually, it's been uploaded in various parts of the Internet,

00:01:00.480 so I imagine that amongst all the different places it's been seen,

00:01:03.820 it's been seen millions of times.

00:01:06.900 And it caused the release of the second video

00:01:09.880 taken by the body camera of the police officer

00:01:12.860 who gave that woman her traffic ticket. 1.00

00:01:15.300 Normally, such body camera videos are not released to the public,

00:01:18.060 but the police department decided to do so to rebut the first one.

00:01:23.560 But I'm going to show them to you in chronological order as they were filmed,

00:01:27.120 as in I'm going to show you the police officer's body cam to show you what happened,

00:01:33.600 then I'll play you excerpts of the woman's selfie video afterwards.

00:01:38.100 I think it's more fair that way.

00:01:40.380 So I'll start with the police video.

00:01:41.900 Now, I think it speaks for itself.

00:01:43.900 The only thing I'm cutting out from the video,

00:01:46.040 I'm going to show you every second of it,

00:01:47.940 the only thing I'm cutting out are the uneventful parts

00:01:50.880 where he goes back to his own police car,

00:01:53.180 camera on his chest is still on,

00:01:54.880 and then he types in the computer and he writes up a ticket in silence.

00:01:58.680 So I'm going to skip that just because it's two minutes of wasted time.

00:02:01.680 Other than that, I am not editing out a single second.

00:02:05.720 This was the full tape of the entire interaction.

00:02:08.320 It was just eight minutes long,

00:02:10.840 including the time the cop was back in his car writing the ticket.

00:02:14.540 So the interaction with the woman in question is much shorter.

00:02:18.680 So the video starts with the cop in his car by himself.

00:02:21.960 He just pulled over another driver.

00:02:24.160 He just pulled over and he's about to get out to talk to the driver.

00:02:28.100 Here, have a look.

00:02:28.960 This is a couple minutes long.

00:02:30.000 I think I'll just stay here.

00:02:32.080 That's right.

00:02:32.700 Here.

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00:02:36.380 Here.

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00:02:37.880 Good afternoon.

00:02:46.940 My name is Sergeant Sassler.

00:02:48.100 I'm in the Brunswick County Sheriff's Office.

00:02:49.740 Okay.

00:02:50.040 How are you?

00:02:50.420 Doing well.

00:02:51.000 Just need to see your driver's license and your vehicle registration.

00:02:53.500 Okay.

00:02:54.120 All right.

00:02:54.620 Can I ask you if I'm going to go over here?

00:02:56.820 Yeah.

00:02:57.120 The reason I'm stopping you, I clocked you at 170.

00:02:59.180 The speed limit here is 55.

00:03:00.500 There's no speed limit sign.

00:03:01.840 I just got under the gas indicator.

00:03:03.380 I just got under the gas indicator.

00:03:05.420 Okay.

00:03:05.820 All right.

00:03:10.200 I appreciate it.

00:03:12.200 Yeah.

00:03:13.200 Your vehicle...

00:03:14.200 It's a rental car.

00:03:15.200 It should have a rental agreement.

00:03:16.200 I'm going to reach in here again.

00:03:17.200 It's fine.

00:03:18.200 Yeah.

00:03:19.200 I saw no...

00:03:20.200 Okay.

00:03:22.200 Thank you.

00:03:23.200 And you still live in South Carolina?

00:03:24.200 Yeah.

00:03:25.200 I live in South Carolina.

00:03:26.200 I was in...

00:03:27.200 Yeah.

00:03:29.580 I'll tell you what.

00:03:30.580 I'll tell you what.

00:03:31.580 Just hold tight for a quick moment and I'll be right back.

00:03:33.080 Okay?

00:03:33.140 Thank you.

00:03:33.640 Thanks.

00:03:34.140 Okay, so he sits down in his car and he does what cops do in their car for a few minutes.

00:03:46.260 Writes up a ticket, checks the computer to see, I don't know, if there's any outstanding

00:03:49.440 warrants on the driver.

00:03:50.460 But you saw the entire interaction.

00:03:52.680 It was pretty quick, wasn't it?

00:03:54.760 And both sides were friendly enough, no rude words, no hostility, and just to point out

00:04:00.160 the obvious, nothing racist in any way or sexist or transphobic or Islamophobic or any

00:04:06.740 other microaggressions.

00:04:08.020 It was just a cop pulling over a speeder, going 70 in a 55-mile-an-hour zone.

00:04:13.440 The cop starts out by saying, good afternoon, and he identifies himself by name and title

00:04:19.500 and the department he's with.

00:04:21.420 It seems pretty professional.

00:04:23.320 And the woman, her name is Dawn Hilton Williams, well, she was friendly enough.

00:04:27.000 In fact, the first thing she said was, how are you?

00:04:30.100 And he said, doing well.

00:04:31.740 It's ridiculous to point this out, but I'm just saying it was friendly enough.

00:04:36.600 I mean, no one likes to be pulled over for speeding.

00:04:39.540 I'm not even sure if police like doing traffic duty, but going 70 in a 55 zone, it's more

00:04:45.160 than a rounding error, but fair enough.

00:04:47.040 Anyways, so he goes back to his car.

00:04:49.580 He sits there for three minutes to write up the ticket and check the police computer, and

00:04:53.980 then he walks back to give her the ticket.

00:04:56.820 The total time of the second interaction, and that's the final interaction, is three minutes

00:05:02.800 long.

00:05:03.140 Here, watch it in its totality.

00:05:06.600 All right.

00:05:19.620 All right, ma'am.

00:05:20.480 What I have here for you, it is a traffic summons for Brunson County General...

00:05:23.600 Is it traffic summons?

00:05:24.660 Yes, for Brunson County General District Traffic Court.

00:05:26.920 Okay, so stop just there for a second.

00:05:30.480 I'll show you the rest in a second, but did you notice he calls her ma'am?

00:05:35.260 I just want to point that out.

00:05:36.620 That's just a Southern thing. 1.00

00:05:38.360 I think Southerners are very polite.

00:05:40.620 Aren't they ever been down there?

00:05:41.940 They're just a little more polite, and saying ma'am and sir is just a little more normal in

00:05:47.280 the South.

00:05:47.660 But my point is, the cop was showing enough respect to the speeder.

00:05:53.240 And I say again, not a drop of racism, sexism, or any other ism.

00:05:57.280 Ma'am, sir.

00:05:58.900 Sort of obvious, but I want to point that out for later.

00:06:02.120 Okay, back to the tape.

00:06:03.020 Your court date is going to be June the 6th at 1030 for the 70 and a 55 mile per hour

00:06:08.280 zone.

00:06:08.700 Where is the sign that says it's 55 miles an hour?

00:06:12.260 In numerous places.

00:06:13.820 Numerous places where?

00:06:15.080 I mean, between the gas station I just came from, right here?

00:06:17.740 I mean, numerous, numerous places back that way.

00:06:20.340 You're more than welcome to go back there and look at them.

00:06:22.000 I mean, take pictures of them, whatever you want to do.

00:06:24.460 So you didn't give me a warning, you gave me an actual ticket?

00:06:26.240 Yeah, no warnings today, ma'am.

00:06:27.440 So your court date is going to be June the 6th at 1030 for the speeding of 70 and a 55.

00:06:31.200 If you have the option to prepay this, I'm going to give you a phone number plus a website

00:06:35.580 that has our courthouse information.

00:06:37.600 If you contact our courts, they will tell you what the fine is, answer any one of your

00:06:41.260 questions, and if you decide to prepay it, then you do not have to come to court.

00:06:44.600 I will not be paying this.

00:06:45.440 But if you want to prepay it, if you don't want to prepay it, then you have to come to

00:06:49.800 court on June the 6th at 1030.

00:06:51.400 I'll hire an attorney.

00:06:52.080 Need you to sign right here?

00:06:54.040 I'm not going to sign that ticket.

00:06:55.280 Ma'am.

00:06:55.640 I agree.

00:06:56.120 Okay.

00:06:56.540 But I don't have to sign it.

00:06:57.400 So, ma'am?

00:06:58.700 But I appreciate it.

00:06:59.480 Okay, now, this is not an enjoyable conversation.

00:07:02.560 I notice that he keeps saying, ma'am, ma'am, so he's staying cordial.

00:07:07.000 But look, that's what getting a ticket is like.

00:07:09.360 It's not friendly.

00:07:10.120 Now, she asks where the signs are for 55.

00:07:13.600 He says there are plenty of signs.

00:07:14.600 She can go back and look at them.

00:07:15.820 She asks for a warning instead of a ticket, and he says, no, sorry, and he keeps on going.

00:07:21.080 He's not rude.

00:07:22.740 He answers her points.

00:07:24.520 You can go look at the signs.

00:07:26.380 He's firm.

00:07:27.040 Then she's starting to get a bit more defensive.

00:07:30.860 He tells her she can pay the ticket or fight the ticket, which sounds legally correct to 1.00

00:07:36.620 me.

00:07:37.100 And he asks her to sign the ticket, but she objects.

00:07:40.260 Now, it's true.

00:07:41.680 You never have to sign anything someone puts to you, including a police officer.

00:07:47.120 I mean, you just don't have to.

00:07:48.460 But here's why the cop asked her or really told her to sign it, because it's her promise

00:07:55.140 to either pay the ticket or fight the ticket in court, as opposed to just driving away and

00:08:02.000 never coming back.

00:08:02.780 Because if you recall, she said she was from South Carolina, and this was in the Commonwealth

00:08:06.740 of Virginia.

00:08:08.120 Here, he explains it.

00:08:09.300 Hold on.

00:08:10.860 All right.

00:08:12.140 So what you're signing here is a promise to either come to court or a promise to prepay.

00:08:16.760 It's not an admission of guilt.

00:08:18.340 It's only a promise to me that you're going to get it taken care of by either coming to

00:08:21.700 court or prepaying it.

00:08:22.700 If you refuse to sign the summons at this point, I'm going to have to get you out the

00:08:26.120 side of the police car, outside of this car.

00:08:27.880 I'm going to place you under arrest and take you in front of a mad shirt. 1.00

00:08:30.440 I will get your vehicle towed and go from there.

00:08:32.740 So, yes, ma'am, you do not have a choice.

00:08:34.500 You have.

00:08:34.680 There's somebody on the phone.

00:08:35.440 I don't care about that.

00:08:36.280 You do not have.

00:08:37.140 I don't care who's on the phone.

00:08:38.220 I'm talking to you right now.

00:08:39.240 You do not have a choice but to sign the summons.

00:08:41.780 So once again, you're signing right there.

00:08:43.240 So thank you.

00:08:43.680 I knew you were going to sign it.

00:08:44.600 Thank you very much.

00:08:46.880 All right.

00:08:47.300 Appreciate it very much.

00:08:48.280 And you have a very safe day.

00:08:49.920 Okay.

00:08:50.160 Thank you.

00:08:55.020 And we're done.

00:08:56.860 Now, that last part wasn't too friendly, was it?

00:08:59.780 But he explained his point.

00:09:01.000 If she didn't promise to either pay the ticket or promise to come back to court,

00:09:05.240 court to fight the ticket, those are basically your two options, he would have to arrest her 0.57

00:09:09.660 and bring her to the magistrate, the judge, right then and there. 0.99

00:09:13.020 And it wasn't friendly anymore.

00:09:14.760 But it wasn't particularly rude.

00:09:17.360 And there was no sexism or racism, was there?

00:09:19.740 Let me quote him verbatim because this part is important.

00:09:22.600 I'll quote it.

00:09:23.900 He said,

00:09:24.360 So what you are signing here is a promise to either come to court or promise to prepay, prepay.

00:09:34.000 It is not an admission of guilt.

00:09:35.920 It's only a promise to me that you're going to get it taken care of by either coming to court or prepaying it.

00:09:42.140 If you refuse to sign the summons at this point, I'm going to have to get you out of the side of the police car,

00:09:48.720 place you under arrest, and take you in front of a magistrate.

00:09:51.820 I will get your vehicle towed and go from there.

00:09:54.900 So, yes, ma'am, you do not have a choice.

00:09:58.500 Well, I guess she did have a choice.

00:10:01.200 She could go before a judge right then and there.

00:10:04.440 But that's a bit insane, don't you think, to be arrested, have your car towed, and taken immediately to the judge.

00:10:09.220 So she chose not to do that.

00:10:11.020 She chose just to accept the summons.

00:10:13.000 Now, I don't know if you heard her in the middle of that.

00:10:15.060 She said,

00:10:15.380 My cousin's on the phone, so I guess this whole conversation was on speakerphone or something with her cousin.

00:10:21.240 But the cop is right.

00:10:22.240 That's pretty irrelevant.

00:10:24.100 And he was getting impatient.

00:10:26.180 Now, could he have had a better bedside manner?

00:10:28.020 Well, sure.

00:10:29.420 But that's the thing for doctors, not for cops.

00:10:31.980 Was he impatient?

00:10:32.860 Yeah.

00:10:34.200 Was he rude?

00:10:35.520 I'd say he was firm.

00:10:37.020 But here's the key question.

00:10:39.200 Was he racist?

00:10:41.300 No, of course not.

00:10:42.020 Was he sexist?

00:10:43.180 No, of course not.

00:10:44.380 Did he swear?

00:10:45.240 No, of course not.

00:10:46.080 Did he shout?

00:10:46.760 No, you heard him.

00:10:47.560 He did not.

00:10:48.340 Did he, I don't know, touch her?

00:10:50.000 No, of course not.

00:10:51.420 So you just saw what happened.

00:10:52.960 The total time in their interaction was actually only a few minutes, plus a few minutes of the cop in his own police car.

00:10:58.460 That's it.

00:10:59.000 That's over.

00:10:59.480 It's done.

00:10:59.960 It was not fun.

00:11:00.780 But being pulled over for speeding is never fun.

00:11:03.040 I can tell you that.

00:11:04.160 If you deny that you were speeding, fine.

00:11:06.000 Fight it in court.

00:11:06.880 Either immediately or later.

00:11:08.800 Or pay.

00:11:09.600 I mean, none of those are fun.

00:11:10.660 I get it.

00:11:11.080 If you don't like it, then don't speed.

00:11:13.540 Now, obviously that video was filmed in real time during the arrest, but it was not obviously broadcast.

00:11:19.020 Police body cams are not broadcast to the public.

00:11:21.420 They're kept for various good reasons, including to assure no police brutality.

00:11:26.500 I bet they make cops be just a little bit better behaved because they know everything they do or say can be reviewed by their superiors.

00:11:32.320 Or a hostile media or a lawyer for a hostile criminal or accused.

00:11:36.140 Now, I'm no police chief, but I'd say the officer did fine.

00:11:39.380 Maybe he could have been 10% friendlier.

00:11:41.620 But I don't know if he was just having a bad day.

00:11:43.480 But look at what that lady did right afterwards. 1.00

00:11:46.760 She got on her phone and she did a Facebook video live stream broadcast to her Facebook page right there.

00:11:53.740 It was 11 minutes long, which was several times longer than her entire interaction with the cop.

00:11:59.420 I'm not going to show you all 11 minutes of it.

00:12:01.780 It was very repetitive.

00:12:02.500 But I did show you every single minute of the interaction with the cop.

00:12:07.420 Now, I'm going to show you what she said.

00:12:09.720 I'll probably play half of it.

00:12:11.300 And I say again that her side of the story was the one that the public saw and heard first.

00:12:18.940 I'm going to play the first four minutes of her tape.

00:12:21.220 It's four minutes long, but I want you to watch it.

00:12:23.960 I promise I won't make you listen to the whole 11 minutes.

00:12:27.480 Here, just watch.

00:12:28.140 It's four minutes.

00:12:30.000 Hi, everybody.

00:12:31.060 This is Dawn.

00:12:32.500 I'm driving.

00:12:33.380 I typically would not drive and do a FaceTime video.

00:12:37.820 But I am just, I'm in Virginia.

00:12:41.460 I can't even tell you what town.

00:12:42.860 I have to look at something to tell you what town I'm in in Virginia.

00:12:45.980 I think Suffolk County or some town in Virginia.

00:12:49.180 And I just was threatened by this police officer.

00:12:52.160 And I want all of my African Americans and people of color that are out there are going to know exactly what I'm talking about.

00:13:00.220 And I want to get a check in on our people.

00:13:04.560 But I'm on this route called 58 West.

00:13:07.900 It's right off in between Virginia as you go to Richmond.

00:13:11.080 It's a cut through between Norfolk and Richmond.

00:13:12.660 And I have had traumatic experience.

00:13:16.960 And I want the people who are not African American, who know me, to really get where we're coming from.

00:13:23.640 Every time, when I saw the police pull up behind me, the state trooper, I was immediately afraid.

00:13:29.520 I was on the phone with my cousin Patrice.

00:13:31.860 And I had her on speaker because I was on Bluetooth.

00:13:34.920 I'm in the car.

00:13:37.140 The man threatened to pull me out of the car.

00:13:40.900 You know, we shouldn't be afraid to drive and get pulled over by the police.

00:13:48.140 And I'm telling you, I showed him my license, asked him why I was stopped.

00:13:55.620 And he said that I was going 70 and a 65 or 60 and something like some kind of small difference.

00:14:06.000 And so I'm in the middle of a rural little town.

00:14:08.960 And I'm sorry that I'm upset, but I don't get upset too much.

00:14:11.640 Usually I get angry.

00:14:12.580 I don't get afraid.

00:14:14.920 But, you know, and I protested a lot.

00:14:18.220 I'm 50, but in my day, I would say, I did a lot of protesting and a lot of fighting just so things like this would not happen to us.

00:14:25.700 But I get pulled over by this white cop who said he sergeant somebody.

00:14:30.560 And I asked him what the stop was for.

00:14:32.940 And he told me the 7 mile an hour difference, or whatever this was, and the speed difference.

00:14:38.340 I saw no traffic signs, by the way.

00:14:40.320 No traffic signs by the time I had stopped at a convenience store to get a banana.

00:14:43.400 And by the time I had gone to where he immediately pulled me over when he saw me, I gave him my license registration for the rental car that I'm driving.

00:14:53.520 I had just come back from the MIAC conference.

00:14:55.140 My daughter was playing tennis in the MIAC conference championship.

00:14:58.280 I'm on the way back to Greenville, South Carolina.

00:15:00.960 The cop comes back with the ticket.

00:15:03.780 I'm on the phone with my cousin.

00:15:06.940 She's saying, stay calm.

00:15:08.100 I'm nervous.

00:15:09.260 Having both hands on a wheel.

00:15:10.920 Feeling all afraid.

00:15:12.680 He comes back.

00:15:14.240 And when he comes back, he gives me the ticket.

00:15:17.040 And I said, so this is not a warning ticket.

00:15:18.760 And so I didn't see any signs.

00:15:20.020 There were no signs.

00:15:20.960 He said, well, you can go back and look for signs.

00:15:22.960 I said, okay, so this is not a warning ticket.

00:15:25.220 He said, no, this is not a warning ticket.

00:15:27.400 So I said, okay.

00:15:29.680 And my cousin's on the phone, on speaker.

00:15:31.560 He can't see that she's on the phone because it's on speaker on the chair.

00:15:35.520 So he said, well, you'll need to sign this ticket.

00:15:40.100 And I said, why would I need to sign the ticket?

00:15:42.040 I don't agree with.

00:15:43.720 And it's just something that I don't think.

00:15:45.220 I said, I won't be signing the ticket, but I'll take the ticket.

00:15:48.140 He said, no, you'll need to sign the ticket.

00:15:50.400 I said, I don't agree.

00:15:52.620 I didn't see a sign.

00:15:53.580 I'll abide by the ticket.

00:15:55.860 I'm not going to put my signature on that ticket.

00:15:59.260 And he said, well, if you don't put the signature on this ticket, I'll pull you out of the car.

00:16:04.000 And then I'll arrest you and I'll impound the car.

00:16:08.400 So my cousin immediately puts her voice from the seat that says, don't I sign the ticket?

00:16:14.480 Because my natural instinct for anybody who knows me knows that I do not like to be told what to do.

00:16:20.200 I abide by the law.

00:16:21.300 I'm respectful of the law.

00:16:22.160 But you can't make me sign a ticket.

00:16:23.580 So I went ahead and signed the ticket only because I was immediately afraid.

00:16:28.260 And he looked like he was ready for me to pull me out of the car.

00:16:31.460 He didn't say, I'll ask you to step out of the car.

00:16:34.120 He said, I'll pull you out of the car and I'll arrest you and I'll impound your car.

00:16:38.720 All right, I'm going to stop it there.

00:16:39.740 Now, her recitation of the facts here are sort of close.

00:16:44.520 I note she claimed she was only going 60, not 70.

00:16:48.940 She said she, at another point, that she was going seven miles an hour over the limit, not the 15 the cop said.

00:16:55.620 Maybe it's easy to get that wrong, but the cop was pretty clear about it, was surely on the ticket.

00:17:01.400 I wonder if that was a mistake or deliberate, because if you're pulled over for a trifle for five miles an hour over the limit,

00:17:09.620 well, then maybe it really was racism, as opposed to if she had said, I was going 70 in a 55 zone.

00:17:16.880 For Canadians who follow kilometers, that would be like going 115 kilometers an hour in a 90 zone.

00:17:23.880 Yeah, that's not a rounding error.

00:17:25.840 And all of a sudden, it would look like you're actually a speeder.

00:17:28.840 Now, she said that the cop threatened to pull her out of the car.

00:17:33.540 He didn't say pull.

00:17:35.600 He said get.

00:17:37.340 Here, listen.

00:17:38.380 If you refuse to sign the summons at this point, I'm going to have to get you out of the side of this car.

00:17:43.520 I'm going to place you under arrest and take you in front of the mad shirt. 0.99

00:17:46.100 I will get your vehicle towed and go from there.

00:17:48.700 He didn't say he'd pull her, which suggests that he would rough her up or physically grab her.

00:17:54.020 He said he'd get her outside the car and get her to the judge. 0.96

00:17:58.660 I mean, maybe there's a nicer word than get.

00:18:01.200 But again, that slight change in wording, close to the truth but not the truth.

00:18:06.280 And that difference, well, it's pretty important, isn't it?

00:18:09.780 If you're claiming you're terrified, if you're in tears, if you're mentioning race again and again and again,

00:18:17.120 a white cop, I'm black, white, black, white, black.

00:18:20.760 And isn't that the most dramatic thing here?

00:18:23.040 She's crying, which suggests that she had been terrorized by a thug, which suggests that she really had been threatened with violence, perhaps.

00:18:34.020 I don't know.

00:18:34.340 But in fact, she just got a ticket from a cop who wasn't fooling around or debating but was still saying, yes, ma'am, no, ma'am.

00:18:42.720 But she mentioned his race again and again.

00:18:46.180 She's black. 0.97

00:18:46.920 The cop was white.

00:18:48.060 This was a special message for her black friends and her white friends.

00:18:51.940 And it's a teachable moment for white people to learn what we go through.

00:18:55.180 Who's we?

00:18:56.540 Was she in trouble for driving while black?

00:18:59.460 Or driving 70 in a 55 zone?

00:19:01.900 You saw the body cam tape.

00:19:03.560 Okay, I'm not going to play the whole of the rest of you.

00:19:06.060 Just a few short clips because she's really working herself up into a frenzy here. 1.00

00:19:10.720 And remember, she's doing this right after the incident.

00:19:12.980 She's going live on Facebook from her cell phone in her car.

00:19:16.680 The cop had no idea that she was doing that.

00:19:18.900 It was only days later that the police department released his raw footage to disprove her allegations.

00:19:25.440 This was the first the world had heard about this encounter was her Facebook Live.

00:19:29.260 Okay, some more.

00:19:30.680 This video goes on for 11 full minutes.

00:19:32.300 I'm not going to play it all to you.

00:19:33.680 But do you see this woman's allegations diverging from the truth?

00:19:38.020 She's getting herself more and more revved up, isn't she?

00:19:40.900 Now, to be clear, she's saying it was racist and that it was a threat of physically being pulled out of the car.

00:19:47.220 Here, watch some more.

00:19:48.380 And he said, so then I signed, then Petrie said, sign a ticket.

00:19:52.680 And I said, okay.

00:19:53.840 So I went, you know, and he said, well, I don't care.

00:19:56.460 You know, you're going to get out of this car.

00:19:57.480 I'll just pull you out of the car.

00:19:59.360 After he heard her, he thought that was me.

00:20:01.060 So I signed a ticket.

00:20:04.240 And I just want to show you what area I'm in.

00:20:05.860 This is the area I'm in.

00:20:07.100 In the middle of this kind of stuff.

00:20:09.800 This is where I am.

00:20:11.020 So it's not like I'm not afraid.

00:20:12.760 Because this is where we got lynched.

00:20:15.520 This is where we got lynched.

00:20:16.720 This is where even in today's day, you'd be Freddie Gray.

00:20:19.060 You can be in Baltimore.

00:20:19.900 You don't have to be in a rural area.

00:20:21.080 But, um, I was literally afraid that he was going to pull me out of the car, impound my car, and I'd be Sandra Bland.

00:20:31.880 Now, why do, do, why, do any of my white friends know me ever, do anybody ever feel like that when they get pulled over?

00:20:38.100 Do they, are they afraid that they're never going to come home or see anybody else?

00:20:40.820 Because if they don't, because the police are at the door saying, I'm going to pull you out of the car, have, does anybody, why do only African Americans and people of color know what I'm going through right now?

00:20:51.760 Is it true that only African Americans feel that way?

00:20:54.980 Feel nervous and upset about getting a ticket?

00:20:57.320 And don't like the idea that if you refuse to pay the ticket or promise to attend court that you might have to go to see a judge right away?

00:21:03.320 I'd feel a little bit sick about it, too, a little bit, but I wouldn't call it, I don't know, anti-Semitism just because I'm Jewish or anti-male sexism just because I'm a man or anti-right-handed or something.

00:21:14.700 I'd say, yeah, it's because I was speeding and then I tried to talk back a bit to a cop.

00:21:18.900 I showed you every second of the police interaction, there was not a word about race or sex or anything.

00:21:24.960 It was all about going 70 in a 55.

00:21:28.080 She's the one who's talking about race and talking about slavery?

00:21:31.080 She's talking about slavery to get out of a ticket. 0.52

00:21:34.060 Sorry, lady, you're the racist blaming the white cop and implying that people in rural parts are all slave owner descendants.

00:21:42.320 You're the one demeaning the history of slavery by invoking it to save yourself a hundred bucks for speeding.

00:21:47.960 Next clip.

00:21:49.480 The only reason I was able to even, and then I sat there, I couldn't even, I signed a ticket and he said, I knew you'd do the right thing.

00:21:55.200 And then he padded the side of the car and he said, have a great day.

00:21:59.100 He said, I knew you'd sign it.

00:22:00.180 You know, kind of sarcastically.

00:22:01.760 It was a very controlling, bullying experience.

00:22:04.840 And no one should threaten to pull me out of a car just because I haven't signed a ticket, because I have a right not to sign the ticket.

00:22:13.220 I didn't say I wasn't going to comply, so I don't think I need to sign that ticket.

00:22:16.980 Just to say it again, the rules seemed pretty clear to me.

00:22:20.440 She wasn't from that county.

00:22:21.680 She was from South Carolina, just passing through Virginia.

00:22:24.500 So if she didn't promise to pay the ticket or promise to come back and fight the ticket, she would be arrested and taken to a judge right there and then.

00:22:33.440 I mean, it does sound harsh, I guess.

00:22:34.820 But then don't speed through that county or just take your lumps and pay the ticket or just say you'll come back later.

00:22:42.500 I don't think only black speeders are told that.

00:22:46.600 I think all speeders are told that.

00:22:49.580 But she really warmed to her theme, didn't she?

00:22:51.740 She was threatening with her.

00:22:53.560 She was threatened with physical abuse.

00:22:56.300 She keeps saying he threatened to pull her out.

00:22:59.160 Pull, pull, pull. 1.00

00:22:59.960 I think she must have said the word pull at least 20 times in her rant. 0.98

00:23:04.940 Anyway, for me to sign that ticket or he's going to pull me out of the car.

00:23:09.920 Why would you threaten?

00:23:11.000 Why would you have to pull me out of the car?

00:23:12.460 I never said I wouldn't have stepped out of the car willingly.

00:23:15.680 Well, he didn't say that.

00:23:17.640 She just made it up.

00:23:19.240 Next clip.

00:23:20.580 And he just walked off, the bully that he was, proudly, happily, like he had accomplished something,

00:23:27.440 by degrading me as an African-American, as a citizen.

00:23:33.400 You saw the video.

00:23:34.540 Did he degrade her?

00:23:36.720 Did he degrade her as an African-American?

00:23:41.000 He did not.

00:23:42.600 Next clip.

00:23:43.680 The cop pulled me over.

00:23:45.520 He can pull me out of the car if he wants, whether I'm doing something or not.

00:23:49.720 Whenever he wants, he can impound the car and I can be Sandra Bland.

00:23:53.400 Sandra Bland, if you don't know, was a black woman who was arrested on a traffic stop. 1.00

00:23:57.480 By the way, by a Hispanic cop, if that matters.

00:24:00.720 And I guess in this game of race card playing, it does matter.

00:24:03.960 And she was later found dead in her cell.

00:24:06.460 A rule of suicide by investigators, but that was disputed by political activists.

00:24:09.660 My point is, do you think the traffic stop that you just watched, that three-minute interaction,

00:24:15.200 do you think that was actually just one step away from her being found dead in a jail cell?

00:24:24.440 Next clip.

00:24:24.940 I just, I just wish I knew what we could do about this.

00:24:28.380 It shouldn't happen.

00:24:29.620 It happens every day, thousands of times a day.

00:24:32.440 But I'm just tired of it.

00:24:34.820 It actually does happen thousands of times a day.

00:24:38.620 Thousands of times a day, speeders are pulled over all across America.

00:24:42.580 And Canada, too.

00:24:44.020 And pretty much anywhere where there's the rule of law on highways, it is true.

00:24:47.640 And if you don't like it, and very few of us do like it, then don't speed.

00:24:53.580 Next clip.

00:24:55.060 I was very polite.

00:24:56.380 It doesn't matter how polite you are.

00:24:58.160 It's all sick, crazy, bullying.

00:25:00.680 And the police are ridiculous.

00:25:02.600 I'd agree.

00:25:04.220 She actually was polite enough in the interaction with the cop.

00:25:09.220 Her first comment was asking him how he was doing.

00:25:12.300 But then she said that the cop was sick and crazy and a bully.

00:25:19.440 No, no, no.

00:25:20.620 Now, I'm going to stop here.

00:25:21.580 It goes on for another full three minutes.

00:25:23.820 She whips herself up into a frenzy. 1.00

00:25:25.400 But more importantly, she whips the world into a frenzy with her false accusations of racism, 0.98

00:25:30.520 her extreme victimology.

00:25:31.880 You saw the full tape of what actually happened.

00:25:34.040 I showed it to you first, which is the opposite of how most of the world saw it.

00:25:38.440 Most of the world saw the accusation first.

00:25:41.380 And then maybe some of them saw the truth come out later in the body cam video.

00:25:46.360 But how many didn't?

00:25:48.780 How many people only saw her video and think that racist traffic cops really are prowling 0.87

00:25:55.320 the highways of Virginia looking to kill or enslave black motorists?

00:26:02.840 How much more hate and distrust was just sown between blacks and cops?

00:26:07.560 How much cultural damage did this liar do?

00:26:11.460 This liar, this drama queen, this huckster, this hoaxer?

00:26:15.680 I have a new rule.

00:26:17.940 If there is a claim of racism or sexism or Islamophobia, I want to see proof.

00:26:22.580 I want to see the video.

00:26:23.640 And there's always a video.

00:26:24.820 I want to see the whole video before I believe it.

00:26:27.960 Whether it's a young girl in Toronto lying about a Chinese man cutting her hijab outside her school,

00:26:34.560 that liar, or this new liar in Virginia, I just don't believe it anymore.

00:26:40.220 And I sure don't believe our white liberal media that's only too quick to put the false allegations on the air

00:26:47.340 and then are slow, if ever, to correct the lies because they love, love the narrative too much,

00:26:54.180 the narrative that we are all evil, violent racists, even if it never actually happened.

00:27:01.340 Stay with us for more.

00:27:18.720 Hey, welcome back.

00:27:19.560 Eric, did you know that every day at 12 noon Eastern Time, which is 10 a.m. Mountain Time, 9 a.m. Pacific Time,

00:27:26.100 I host a one-hour live YouTube show.

00:27:30.240 You don't have to pay to watch it.

00:27:31.200 It's not behind the paywall.

00:27:32.280 It's a way to talk to people who are YouTube subscribers but not yet subscribers to this, our premium show.

00:27:38.760 It's lightly produced.

00:27:40.100 We don't have long monologues.

00:27:41.560 I just show a few clips and chit-chat, and mainly I take comments from the general public about any subjects of the day.

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00:27:52.460 It's a good way to connect with viewers.

00:27:54.000 If you want to ask me questions in real time, I encourage you to do that.

00:27:57.720 And one of the things we talked about today at some length was the deliberate response by the Hamas terrorist group in Gaza

00:28:05.640 to try to detract from, jump on the media coverage of Donald Trump's decision to move the U.S. Embassy to Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.

00:28:17.560 It was a mass riot on the international border.

00:28:22.140 Israel and Gaza, of course, are no longer the same country.

00:28:25.600 Gaza used to be part of Israel, but then Ariel Sharon forcibly removed every Israeli citizen and soldier.

00:28:31.780 It's been in the hands of Hamas ever since. 0.91

00:28:33.520 It's an international border, obviously, with a terrorist state, and Hamas basically sent hundreds, thousands of people to the border to infiltrate.

00:28:45.140 Some of them were armed with bombs or Molotov cocktails.

00:28:48.160 Others got caught up in it, were civilians, but many were terrorists.

00:28:51.920 Anyway, that dominated the press in the anti-Israel segment of the media, which is by far the majority,

00:28:57.300 including in Israel enough, if you read the Twitter stream of Haaretz, which is the leading liberal paper there,

00:29:04.180 it was almost completely demonizing Trump and blaming Israel for the riots on its Gaza border.

00:29:11.820 Israeli border police responded to the infiltration attempts by shooting the infiltrators, killing dozens.

00:29:17.800 We don't know quite how many because you can't trust Hamas when they say it was 55. 0.60

00:29:21.180 Anyways, that's the background.

00:29:23.040 Let me show you a clip of how Nikki Haley, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, handled that Hamas outrage. 0.72

00:29:30.540 Take a look.

00:29:31.680 Today's meeting was called to discuss the violence that some suggest was connected with yesterday's opening of the United States Embassy in Jerusalem.

00:29:41.520 For some people, the embassy opening is said to be a reason to engage in violence.

00:29:47.120 How is that justified?

00:29:50.680 As our president said when he announced the decision in December,

00:29:54.660 the location of our embassy has no bearing on the specific boundaries of Israeli sovereignty in Jerusalem

00:30:01.700 or the resolution of contested borders.

00:30:05.220 It has no bearing on Jerusalem's holy sites.

00:30:08.860 It does not prejudge whatever the parties might negotiate in a peace agreement.

00:30:13.900 It does not undermine the prospects for peace in any way.

00:30:19.860 She went on on some length, and as you can see, she's at the United Nations,

00:30:23.480 where a list of countries, mainly dictatorships, have decided to condemn Israel for shooting back at its international border.

00:30:31.880 Let me ask you, how would the United States respond if a thousand armed protesters from ISIS came up from Mexico?

00:30:38.560 Well, joining us now to talk about this violent riot at the border and the American reaction to it is our friend Tiffany Gabay.

00:30:47.080 She used to host Culture Wars in The Rebel, and now she is our managing editor.

00:30:50.760 Tiffany, it's great to see you again on TV.

00:30:53.180 Most of the time you're behind the scenes.

00:30:54.540 It's great to have you back on TV.

00:30:57.220 Great.

00:30:57.720 It's great to be here.

00:30:58.740 Thanks for having me.

00:31:00.340 And Tiffany, you're welcome.

00:31:01.020 And Nikki Haley is great.

00:31:03.640 Go ahead, please.

00:31:04.440 No, I was going to say, like the rest of us, we were watched, we were gripped by this historic decision to move the embassy to Jerusalem.

00:31:10.600 I call it historic because that is the natural capital of Israel, not just the modern state, but in biblical times.

00:31:17.940 I think the leftist anti-Israel media was desperate for any excuse to rain on the parade, and they found it from Hamas, didn't they?

00:31:26.240 Oh, of course they did.

00:31:27.520 Now, I mean, this was an incredibly redemptive moment for the Jewish people or anyone who supports Israel. 1.00

00:31:33.440 Of course, Jerusalem is and should be the undivided and eternal capital of the Jewish state. 0.91

00:31:39.600 And there are historical grounds for that, legal grounds for that, strategic reasons for that.

00:31:43.820 I mean, we have to remember what happens when Israelis are not in control, right? 1.00

00:31:48.660 It's not like, you know, anyone can go and pray at Al-Aqsa.

00:31:54.120 You know, this is not an enlightened or, you know, people who are embracing of different cultures.

00:32:01.760 The Christians and the Christian holy sites are protected when Jews are in control of them and not so when it comes to the Arabs. 1.00

00:32:08.920 So that's another story in and of itself.

00:32:11.540 But, of course, Nikki Haley and President Trump and our current administration have done more for Israel in just the last few months, in the last year, than all other administrations combined.

00:32:25.000 And, of course, not including the most recent administration, which is the most destructive.

00:32:29.600 But of all the pro-Israel presidents and administrations, the Trump administration has been absolutely incredible.

00:32:36.340 I think the move of the embassy is symbolic because it's an affirmation that Israel is a sovereign state.

00:32:42.280 It's not going anywhere.

00:32:43.460 And the greatest power in the world is affirming that obvious fact that others can deny.

00:32:48.580 But it's sort of an emperor has no clothes moment.

00:32:50.940 You can keep saying that Israel is not real, but it's been around for 70 years.

00:32:55.100 And America is firming that up symbolically.

00:32:57.540 But I think, actually, Donald Trump abandoning Barack Obama's personal agreement with the Ayatollahs of Iran is actually far more substantive because Iran, like many Muslim countries, wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. 0.97

00:33:11.840 But unlike the others, it is actually energetically building a nuclear bomb and missile program to do that.

00:33:19.800 And, by the way, threatening America, Europe, and other Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia in the bargain. 1.00

00:33:25.900 I think Trump ripping away that Obama deal and without any nuance or hesitation, just saying, I'm out of it, that's probably the, that could be the most important move America makes in the region.

00:33:41.680 Let me throw one more in because there's actually others.

00:33:43.900 And Trump's refusal to be held hostage by the perennial Palestinian demands and negotiations.

00:33:52.320 I think his pushing the Palestinian issue to the back burner, his dealing with Iran, I think that's actually the most important thing Trump has done in the region.

00:34:01.980 What do you think?

00:34:03.760 I completely agree.

00:34:05.360 And in dealing with Iran, he is dealing with the Palestinians and their proxies. 0.98

00:34:09.380 You know, you've got Hamas, you have Hezbollah, you have basically Iran looking to destabilize the entire region and supporting terror in that region against Israelis and against Americans. 0.67

00:34:19.300 So it is absolutely one of the most critical moves that he's done to try to bring some stability back to that region.

00:34:27.140 I mean, you mentioned Aretz a few moments ago. 0.77

00:34:30.240 It's just literally one of the most subversive rags, as I call it.

00:34:34.400 They had a headline the other day saying that Bibi and Trump lit the fire now with this embassy move.

00:34:40.880 And are we going to watch the Middle East burn? 0.80

00:34:42.760 And I had to laugh to myself.

00:34:44.620 Think about what Obama did, overthrowing Mubarak or aiding the ouster of Mubarak in Egypt.

00:34:51.860 Gaddafi in Libya, allowing those two countries to fall, Egypt to fall to the Muslim Brotherhood, 0.52

00:34:56.320 and Libya basically to burn down, to allow what has gone on in Syria,

00:35:00.440 for Hezbollah to increase its stranglehold in Lebanon, to not aid the Iranian dissidents in Iran.

00:35:06.600 I mean, you could just go country by country.

00:35:10.520 And Obama doused the entire region in kerosene and lit a match and watch it burn.

00:35:14.800 And now Trump is really, you know, he's got his work cut out for him.

00:35:18.000 But the centerpiece of it all is Iran. 0.82

00:35:20.340 They are the largest state sponsor of terror in the world.

00:35:23.580 And so this has been a very, very monumental, you know, last few days and weeks with, you know,

00:35:32.480 nixing the Iran deal, moving our embassy to Jerusalem, that incredible intel operation that Israel pulled off 0.71

00:35:39.100 with regard to gaining all of that intelligence on Iran's nuclear aspirations and its project.

00:35:47.000 It's just been incredible.

00:35:48.400 And what is so disheartening is that in spite of all of that information, in spite of the fact that we have proof,

00:35:55.960 we see the photos and the footage, right, of, you know, tens of thousands of Palestinians

00:36:03.100 who are mobilized by Hamas, funded by Iran, to breach Israel's border, using the pretext of the embassy,

00:36:09.840 because it's because the terror tunnels aren't working and they're just doing whatever they can to breach Israel's border,

00:36:14.340 sending Palestinians to their death with meat cleavers, burning tires, Molotov cocktails,

00:36:20.300 actual bombs and explosive devices that they planted, wire cutters, kites with swastikas on them,

00:36:27.500 launching firebombs and burning down fields, in many cases, their own fields and infrastructure.

00:36:34.380 Despite all of that, you have the liberal media.

00:36:39.500 Unfortunately, you have many liberal Jews. 1.00

00:36:41.040 You have the mainstream media, not just liberal media, unfortunately, not even reporting on this

00:36:47.420 and making it seem as if people in Gaza are just these victims who are being slaughtered and mowed down by Israelis.

00:36:56.060 You have, this is absolutely amazing.

00:36:59.240 Even South Africa recalled its ambassador and insisted that Israel withdraw from Gaza.

00:37:07.120 It's like newsflash they withdrew in 2005.

00:37:10.080 And what did Hamas do?

00:37:11.500 They destroyed all the infrastructure that Israel left in place for them to make a better life for Palestinians.

00:37:17.100 So it is so clear and obvious what is going on and who is on the right side of good.

00:37:22.020 And yet, despite all that, despite all the information we're privy to,

00:37:25.560 it just shows not one congressional Democrat, you know, turned up at that embassy opening.

00:37:31.540 You know, all of our mainstream media outlets are condemning Israel.

00:37:35.340 And that is, it's truly disheartening.

00:37:37.860 So anyone who says anti-Semitism isn't alive and well is kidding themselves.

00:37:41.300 This is just the latest and newest incarnation of it.

00:37:43.920 I was truly surprised that not even Democrats from Jewish districts would go.

00:37:51.460 Not even Chuck Schumer, the Jewish senator from heavily Jewish New York State.

00:37:57.380 The only Jewish Democrat was a retired Democrat, Joe Lieberman, who was there.

00:38:05.100 I was truly shocked by that.

00:38:07.040 It's truth to me that the Democrats in the U.S. are going the way of the British Labor Party

00:38:11.840 under Jeremy Corbyn.

00:38:13.260 They're just plain old anti-Israel and moving from anti-Israel to anti-Jewish.

00:38:17.160 It's so weird.

00:38:18.100 Let me ask you one last question.

00:38:19.300 I put this to Joel Pollack, our friend at Breitbart.com.

00:38:21.580 I see images from Israel that are very pro-Trump.

00:38:26.480 Trump is popular in the streets, popular in the polls, and I can understand why.

00:38:30.700 The embassy, Iran, all of these things.

00:38:32.980 But do you sense any movement towards the Republicans amongst American Jews?

00:38:38.200 In Canada, let me just preface it, Jews were traditionally liberal.

00:38:42.360 And maybe they are sagging that way again.

00:38:44.460 But when Stephen Harper was the prime minister, the Jewish vote finally woke up and said,

00:38:48.920 Harper is a friend of the Jews, he's a friend of Israel, he's a friend of Western values.

00:38:54.260 And by the time Harper was done, he got a majority of the Jewish vote, not all of it.

00:39:00.480 From what I can see, American Jews still vote 70%, 80% for Democrats.

00:39:07.620 Is that going to change at all?

00:39:09.080 Are they still going to insult Donald Trump for aesthetic reasons and turn their nose up

00:39:14.340 at the most pro-Israel president ever?

00:39:15.920 Yes, unfortunately, we don't see that shift here in the U.S.

00:39:21.340 At least 70% still vote Democrats, still consider themselves liberal.

00:39:27.180 And the derangement with regard to Trump is so severe that even if they were moved,

00:39:35.380 even just a little bit, to want to support an actual pro-Israel president,

00:39:40.280 they won't do it specifically because it's Trump.

00:39:42.220 Anything that is Trump is bad.

00:39:44.680 And they don't seem to recognize the intellectual inconsistency.

00:39:49.000 They will sit there and, you know, scream about the alt-right and about how Trump is a

00:39:55.580 Nazi and the internment camps are, you know, being built as we speak.

00:39:59.100 And, you know, at the first sign of a more traditional anti-Semitic trope being espoused,

00:40:07.700 like Abbas did recently, well, you know, the gloves come off.

00:40:11.200 We can't have that.

00:40:12.740 You know, let's decry anti-Semitism.

00:40:14.580 The ADL gets out and all these left-wing Jews come out and they, you know, 0.96

00:40:17.940 they decry that kind of anti-Semitism.

00:40:19.800 But actually supporting Israel, the only safe haven in the world for Jews escaping anti-Semitism

00:40:26.540 and persecution and death and destruction, that they cannot support, that they cannot

00:40:32.280 get on board with, because that doesn't gain them any cocktail party thread.

00:40:36.200 That you don't do in polite liberal circles.

00:40:38.400 It's okay to condemn traditional anti-Semitic tropes.

00:40:41.880 It's okay to, you know, call out the alt-right or say that Trump is a Nazi.

00:40:46.140 And yet he's the most pro-Israel in terms of his actual action.

00:40:50.800 So there is a very bizarre disconnect.

00:40:54.140 And their derangement and really seething hatred for Trump will just not allow themselves

00:40:59.480 to even throw him a bone, even on this.

00:41:02.580 That is, and that's very, very disheartening.

00:41:05.020 Yeah, it is.

00:41:06.020 Unfortunately, the Jews don't deserve Trump.

00:41:08.300 His generosity towards him, I mean, he does it for his own reasons.

00:41:12.360 But it's, I tell you, the Jews are lucky to have an ally like him.

00:41:15.360 And Israelis, it sounds like you're getting it. 1.00

00:41:17.180 Tiffany, it's great to talk to you again.

00:41:18.480 Thanks for taking the time to be with us today.

00:41:20.720 Thank you.

00:41:21.860 Thank you so much.

00:41:23.020 That's great to see you.

00:41:24.020 There you have it, Tiffany.

00:41:24.860 Goodbye.

00:41:25.560 The Rebel's managing editor, joining us via Skype.

00:41:28.760 Stay with us.

00:41:29.360 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:41:41.540 Welcome back.

00:41:42.460 Well, Kinder Morgan, the company that owns the Trans Mountain Pipeline and has an approved

00:41:47.740 proposal to expand the pipeline, approved by the National Energy Board and by Justin Trudeau's

00:41:53.880 cabinet.

00:41:54.620 They say that if they don't have a clear sign that the project will, in fact, proceed by

00:41:59.900 the end of May, which is, what, just two weeks and a bit away, they're going to cancel

00:42:03.820 the project right off the billion dollars they've spent and go home, take their billions

00:42:08.700 elsewhere to invest.

00:42:09.900 This is a project worth more than $7 billion in construction alone, let alone the value

00:42:15.640 to oil companies of having an outlet to the sea.

00:42:19.340 Well, a troubling article by our friend Anthony Fury in the Toronto Sun.

00:42:23.040 Let me read to you the headline.

00:42:23.980 And I want to read a key phrase that Anthony quotes, quoting Mayor Gregor Robertson, who

00:42:36.740 said this on Bloomberg TV.

00:42:39.060 So he was giving a clear message to business viewers.

00:42:43.260 I should remind you that Gregor Robertson served on the board of the Tides Canada Foundation before

00:42:49.480 he became mayor.

00:42:50.420 He was an anti-oil extremist even before becoming mayor.

00:42:54.260 Let me quote to you what Gregor Robertson said to the press.

00:42:57.220 He said, I don't think this project will go.

00:43:00.840 I really don't.

00:43:02.440 Based on the resistance on the ground.

00:43:05.760 He later added, I don't think the resistance on the West Coast is going to fade.

00:43:10.740 I think it will only intensify.

00:43:14.720 Escalation looks likely.

00:43:17.320 Well, when the mayor, who is in some ways the chief lawmaker for a city, says he is absolutely

00:43:23.580 certain that violence and lawbreaking will proceed, and when his ideological co-religionists

00:43:29.080 in fact engage in that lawbreaking, well, gee whiz, if you were Kinder Morgan, would you

00:43:33.380 decide to add another $6.4 billion to the one you've already lost?

00:43:36.840 Joining us now via Skype is Anthony Fury, the author of the column himself.

00:43:41.280 Anthony, great to see you.

00:43:42.260 Very troubling report that you have here.

00:43:45.300 Yeah, no kidding, Ezra.

00:43:46.540 I think most Canadians would be forgiven for thinking that the Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain

00:43:50.720 fight is a legal one, stuff about jurisdiction.

00:43:53.880 And now we're hearing about all these references to BC Superior Court, Rachel Notley threatening

00:43:58.520 to ban liquor sales or BC wines coming into the province, all that sort of stuff.

00:44:03.300 So it's still within the rubric of polite society and lawmaking and all of that.

00:44:08.780 No, no, no.

00:44:09.580 There's a whole other element to it.

00:44:11.520 The civil disobedience element.

00:44:13.620 Those friends of Gregor Robertson's you refer to, his statement is very interesting to me

00:44:18.180 because he mentions resistance more than once.

00:44:20.220 He talks about escalation.

00:44:21.700 And as you pointed out, he was with Tides Foundation.

00:44:24.100 I think he knows some of these eco-radicals.

00:44:26.260 He's maybe come across them in the past.

00:44:27.900 He maybe hears through the grapevine.

00:44:29.400 What does he know that we don't know?

00:44:31.580 Because I've found documents that show Greenpeace and much less moderate organizations in Greenpeace

00:44:37.440 have been running direct action summits and learning centers and so forth for people to

00:44:43.680 learn how to oppose Kinder Morgan.

00:44:45.680 What does direct action mean?

00:44:47.260 Well, it's a bit of a euphemism for actually doing physical things to stop and disrupt a

00:44:53.960 project from going through.

00:44:54.980 Well, I mean, I know from studying the publicly disclosed grants made by Tides Canada and their

00:45:02.980 American head office in San Francisco that they, in fact, fund these anti-oil extremist

00:45:10.800 groups, including his friend and ally, Sephora Berman, who used to be a senior Greenpeace executive.

00:45:18.480 She's now with a group that used to be called Forest Ethics.

00:45:22.020 It's now called Stand Earth.

00:45:24.060 There's so many of these different groups, but they all are collegial.

00:45:28.420 They fund each other.

00:45:29.560 They support each other.

00:45:31.500 Here's why I mentioned Sephora Berman, Anthony.

00:45:33.540 I'd like your thoughts on this.

00:45:35.560 She made her name.

00:45:37.060 She got her start in professional activism with what was called the War in the Woods a

00:45:42.720 couple of decades ago when there was logging interests on Vancouver Island, and she was

00:45:48.460 with the extremists that physically blocked the logging vehicles, destroyed vehicles.

00:45:55.760 I'm not saying she herself nailed spikes into trees, but the idea of tree spiking is when

00:46:02.080 they log that tree and take it to the sawmill, the steel spike breaks the steel saw, destroying

00:46:09.100 the mill, and frankly, endangering any workers there.

00:46:12.760 So true eco-terrorism, it was called the War in the Woods, and they won.

00:46:18.920 By sheer eco-terrorism and violence, they won.

00:46:21.980 By law-breaking, they won.

00:46:23.780 And to Sephora Berman, the lesson she learned there was break the law, get a slap on the wrist, 0.98

00:46:30.360 and keep at it.

00:46:31.600 And she is now one of the leaders opposing this.

00:46:35.160 She and Gregor Robertson are friends and allies.

00:46:37.080 I believe you will see War in the Woods style, physical violence and eco-terrorism, and I

00:46:44.320 don't think Gregor Robertson's disagreeing, is he?

00:46:47.820 Yeah, that's the interesting thing.

00:46:49.840 NDP MP Kennedy Stewart, he's one of the guys who was arrested alongside Elizabeth May in

00:46:54.460 those arrests.

00:46:55.160 Now, Gregor Robertson said escalation and so forth after those arrests, so he's saying it's

00:47:00.660 going to be escalated over and above these people refusing to move and have to be dragged

00:47:05.080 away by cops.

00:47:05.880 Now, Kennedy Stewart commissioned his own polls in which he argues he found that something

00:47:10.460 like 12% of British Columbians, which equals hundreds of thousands of people, said they'd

00:47:15.220 be willing to engage in civil disobedience to stop this pipeline.

00:47:19.760 I mean, this is madness.

00:47:21.120 12% is a small number, but not when you talk about the severity of what's being discussed

00:47:26.840 here.

00:47:27.060 Even if then only 1% or 2% of those people actually act on their direct action, you're

00:47:32.340 talking thousands of people who are saying we're going to lay down on the train tracks

00:47:36.420 or we're going to go in the night and do something untoward.

00:47:38.940 There's been eco-terrorism in Canada in the past.

00:47:41.400 This character, Vivo Ludwig, as you know, is something of a folk hero in some circles.

00:47:45.580 He's not 100% ideologically overlapped with these sort of climate evangelists.

00:47:49.880 He has his own sort of niche interests as well.

00:47:51.720 But it's happened before.

00:47:53.080 Hundreds of pipeline bombings in Alberta and B.C. in the past 20 years.

00:47:56.420 Yeah, good reminder about Vivo Ludwig.

00:47:58.320 I think he was more of a rogue one-man or one-family operation.

00:48:01.500 But here, let's just put some footage over the screen now.

00:48:05.900 This is a riot that happened on Burnaby Mountain several years ago.

00:48:09.720 I remember we filmed this when we were at the Sun News Network.

00:48:12.760 A full-out riot with hundreds of people.

00:48:15.740 Sapporo Berman's group, Forest Ethics, was there.

00:48:17.960 They were among those arrested.

00:48:19.420 David Suzuki personally attended those riots to give them his imprimatur.

00:48:24.320 So the idea of riots attacking cops.

00:48:27.360 They actually threw a garbage pail at a cop.

00:48:29.260 The one cop who happened to wear a turban for some reason, they threw garbage on him.

00:48:34.860 Wearing masks, threats to police.

00:48:38.460 We see in the past month, RCMP officers physically attacked.

00:48:42.260 So it's not even that it's about to start.

00:48:44.540 It has been going on slow burn for years.

00:48:48.360 Here's the thing.

00:48:49.520 You're always going to have ruffians looking for a fight. 1.00

00:48:52.840 When they have the moral approval of the CBC, of David Suzuki, of the mayor, of MPs,

00:48:58.260 if MPs are actually breaking the law with them, that encourages any young person who says,

00:49:04.300 yes, I'm saving the world, and every moral authority in the province is encouraging me

00:49:09.540 and expecting me to do this.

00:49:12.120 It's only the evil cops and that Stephen Harper who says don't.

00:49:15.540 I think the moral exemplars are the actual instigators here.

00:49:20.880 Yeah, well, you make a good point because Elizabeth May and Kennedy Stewart are clearly saying you can do this if you disagree with the position that the majority of Canadians hold and that the courts have upheld and so forth.

00:49:33.600 And some injunctions are being upheld by law enforcement.

00:49:36.940 Yeah, they're sending the message.

00:49:38.160 Come on, kids, come and do this.

00:49:39.540 And Kennedy Stewart are releasing that number about the number of people who do civil disobedience.

00:49:43.760 He said, oh, this keeps me awake at night.

00:49:45.440 But his response to it was not to say, so don't do this, folks.

00:49:49.040 His response was to say, so shut down this pipeline.

00:49:52.080 It's almost a dare.

00:49:53.440 It was very casually worded, but it's basically a threat saying we're going to unleash the dogs of war on you guys unless you do our bidding.

00:49:59.560 Yeah, I don't believe that it keeps him up at night other than with excitement.

00:50:02.260 I mean, I think, as you indicated in your column, he was fined $500 for breaking the criminal injunction.

00:50:09.140 I think he regards that $500 as a cheap press release that now he can waive.

00:50:14.280 He's running for mayor in Vancouver.

00:50:16.100 Now he'll be able to say, I'm more pro-environmentalist, anti-pipeline than anyone here.

00:50:22.480 I'm the only one who's actually being convicted, paid a $500 fine.

00:50:25.620 So he's actually looking to turn his own criminality into an election tool.

00:50:31.140 Here's what scares me, is the guys who are supposed to be watching this, I mean, Justin Trudeau, who pretends to support this pipeline.

00:50:38.900 A couple of years ago, Anthony, his energy minister, Jim Carr, I have to keep reminding people because no one's ever seen or heard of Jim Carr.

00:50:45.620 He's just not included in any real decisions.

00:50:48.500 He made the mistake, Anthony, I don't know if you remember this.

00:50:50.380 He publicly said if there was eco-terrorism, the government would deploy the RCMP or even the military, which sounds like a pretty obvious thing to say.

00:50:59.800 But look at this.

00:51:01.720 So he said that here's the first headline.

00:51:03.580 Liberal minister says those who protest pipelines less than peacefully will face the Canadian military.

00:51:08.580 It's a bit of a torqued headline.

00:51:10.460 But days after that, look at that.

00:51:12.380 He was frog marched out there by his boss, Justin Trudeau.

00:51:15.400 Here's the headline in Reuters, Canada energy minister apologizes for pipeline protests from Mark.

00:51:22.760 Let me just read the first sentence.

00:51:23.840 Canada's natural resources minister on Tuesday apologized for remarks he made about anti-pipeline protests that some people interpreted as a threat to use troops against demonstrators.

00:51:33.000 So he was forced to apologize for saying he'd uphold the law.

00:51:36.560 What more of a green light do you need from Justin Trudeau?

00:51:39.100 Say that it's bad to do the civil disobedience.

00:51:44.500 Say that it's bad to illegally cross the border.

00:51:46.900 Say it's bad to go abroad and fight with ISIS.

00:51:49.760 I mean, just say, give us a break here, throw us a bone, and just please say those basic things.

00:51:54.280 And yet the prime minister can't even bring himself to, I think, set the tone that these things should be disapproved of.

00:52:01.100 It's bizarre.

00:52:01.980 It's topsy-turvy.

00:52:02.620 Yeah, he's been tougher on Jim Carr for threatening to uphold the law than he's been on any of these lawbreakers.

00:52:10.300 Anthony, it's great to talk with you.

00:52:11.260 Time flies.

00:52:11.760 There's so much here, and I'm so glad you're bringing these to the attention of a larger audience.

00:52:17.740 I mean, Gregor Robertson and Kennedy Stewart and Elizabeth May, they are in full league with the protesters.

00:52:24.000 I hope you keep shining a light of scrutiny on them.

00:52:27.240 All right, sounds good.

00:52:28.360 And don't forget Catherine McKenna.

00:52:29.700 Jim Carr, we never see him at all.

00:52:31.860 Catherine McKenna, she's the second in command of the government, or at least I see her everywhere, and her tweets seem to matter. 1.00

00:52:36.560 So, I don't know.

00:52:37.220 Apparently, she's the one in charge.

00:52:38.740 Yeah, you know, that's a very good point.

00:52:40.700 And she is friends with many of these protesters.

00:52:43.980 We've got the photos to prove it.

00:52:45.240 I'll show those on another day.

00:52:46.800 Great to see you again, Anthony.

00:52:47.700 Thanks for being here.

00:52:48.900 Take care.

00:52:49.540 All right, there you have it.

00:52:50.320 Anthony Fury, his column, if you missed it in the sun, is called Forget Legal Challenges, Direct Action is Trans Mountain's Real Hurdle.

00:52:58.180 That's code for lawbreaking.

00:53:00.020 Stay with us.

00:53:00.740 More ahead on The Rebel.

00:53:01.860 Oh, hey.

00:53:13.300 Welcome back on my monologue yesterday about an ISIS murderer living in Canada. 0.95

00:53:17.320 Paul writes,

00:53:18.420 What good are the laws if they're going to be ignored?

00:53:21.300 The Trudeau liberals are an outlaw government, and the media party is completely complicit.

00:53:25.120 Yeah, I mean, if you're having trouble understanding this, think of Paul Bernardo, the mass murderer, sexist, rapist, sorry, rapist, horrific crime of the decade in the 90s.

00:53:38.160 That's what ISIS is.

00:53:40.160 People who killed not in an act of occasional passion, hot-blooded killing.

00:53:49.200 These are cold-blooded killers who did this, in ISIS's case, for an ideology, for sick pleasure.

00:53:55.920 They would murder in the name of their jihad. 0.98

00:53:58.400 They would rape in the name of jihad. 0.99

00:54:00.060 They believed in rape slaves. 0.96

00:54:01.460 That's what this ISIS thug did.

00:54:04.220 So he wasn't some hot-blooded killer who did something in the moment.

00:54:08.100 He was diabolical.

00:54:10.580 He was truly evil.

00:54:12.520 Like Paul Bernardo.

00:54:13.620 He enjoyed and felt a religious surge from the murders.

00:54:19.740 And he's on the streets, and the CBC won't name him, and Trudeau will not prosecute him.

00:54:24.900 And I've shown you the laws there.

00:54:26.780 We don't have to prosecute him for actual murder.

00:54:28.700 It might be tough to prove.

00:54:29.700 We could just prosecute him for going to join ISIS.

00:54:32.920 That itself is a crime.

00:54:34.620 For supporting ISIS is a crime.

00:54:36.520 Getting on a plane or trying to get on a plane is a crime.

00:54:39.120 Those are all crimes that could lock this guy up for years.

00:54:41.640 No, no.

00:54:43.520 And the CBC is running defense for him.

00:54:46.180 Ron writes, with the many provisions in the criminal code that could apply in these cases

00:54:49.540 that are being ignored, can't a class action lawsuit against Trudeau be launched?

00:54:54.300 Well, I don't think you could launch a lawsuit against Trudeau

00:54:58.500 for not exercising his political discretion, his executive discretion.

00:55:06.060 And some of these provisions in the criminal code need the consent of the attorney general.

00:55:10.820 So they have within them implicitly that it's a political decision by the attorney general.

00:55:16.740 I don't think you can bind the hands of a justice minister that way.

00:55:22.320 There are other provisions in the criminal code that an ordinary citizen can have a private

00:55:26.860 prosecution.

00:55:27.520 That is, an ordinary person goes to a judge and says, judge, there's been a crime.

00:55:32.020 The prosecutors aren't attending to it.

00:55:33.580 I have the facts.

00:55:34.540 Let me take the criminal code and sue this guy in a private prosecution.

00:55:37.860 It's quite rare, but it does happen.

00:55:40.400 I don't think that's allowed in these terrorism cases.

00:55:42.460 You need to consent to the attorney general.

00:55:45.180 Bruce writes, the common thread through today's show is that wicked people protect each other's

00:55:49.540 backs.

00:55:50.480 Trudeau protects jihadis.

00:55:51.980 School officials protect abusers.

00:55:53.840 Professional protesters protect organizations which don't care about our prosperity.

00:55:57.760 I love it when real investigative reporting unmasks the monsters.

00:56:01.600 Well, thanks very much.

00:56:02.440 I was really glad to have our friend James O'Keefe from Project Veritas on.

00:56:08.340 He has had so many successes.

00:56:11.040 Some are really little.

00:56:12.160 Some are enormous.

00:56:13.300 His undercover investigations into a group called ACORN stopped, I think, billions being

00:56:19.680 funneled into that left-wing street organizing organization, a socialist organization from

00:56:24.620 which Obama came.

00:56:25.420 In the case of his school investigations, it's got various teachers' union bosses suspended.

00:56:31.820 He does incredible work, and that's why the left hates him, as he mentioned.

00:56:35.420 The Washington Post got a Pulitzer Prize for investigating him.

00:56:39.800 His investigations haven't won the prize, but the anti-reporting, the anti-journalism of

00:56:45.820 The Washington Post has.

00:56:46.940 That shows you how messed up our world is.

00:56:49.100 Well, folks, that's our show for today.

00:56:50.440 What do you think about me showing you those videos?

00:56:52.060 I mean, it's just a random woman in a random county at a random traffic stop, but it just 0.81

00:56:57.320 struck me as something that happened so much.

00:57:00.800 There was so much demand for racism in the media, and so little actual supply that we have

00:57:08.240 hoaxes like this.

00:57:09.520 I actually think there's an excess of hatred in the world, and a lot of it comes from radical

00:57:15.720 Islam.

00:57:16.420 But the media can't talk about that, so they ignore that, and they crave other types of

00:57:21.900 racism and hate, including making it up about just some traffic cop who, I guess, could

00:57:26.840 have been 5%, 10% friendlier, but he didn't have a racist bone in his body.

00:57:30.580 The media loved, loved the accusation.

00:57:33.880 The correction?

00:57:34.720 Well, yeah, not so much.

00:57:36.520 That's our show for today.

00:57:37.500 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night, and

00:57:41.920 keep fighting for freedom.

00:57:42.920 Keep fighting for freedom.

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