Rebel News Podcast - Ezra Levant Show May 21 2018

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a special conversation with author and historian Conrad Black

00:00:03.860 about his new book, Donald Trump, A President Like No Other.

00:00:08.060 It's May 21st, and you're watching The Ezra LeVant Show.

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00:00:37.920 Welcome back. Well, a very exciting day today on Victoria Day.

00:00:41.300 The entire show will be dedicated to a new book on Donald Trump,

00:00:45.720 published by Conrad Black.

00:00:47.200 The book is called Donald Trump, A President Like No Other.

00:00:51.080 And joining us now in studio is Lord Black himself.

00:00:53.960 Welcome to the show. Great to have you in studio.

00:00:55.380 Thank you, Ezra. Thanks for having me over.

00:00:56.880 I'm a fan of yours. I haven't been in a long time.

00:00:59.360 But I want to tell you, let me confess to you.

00:01:01.840 When I heard you had this new book out, I was nervous

00:01:04.240 because you've written some very thick books of history before.

00:01:07.920 And I thought, this is going to be a slog.

00:01:10.180 I was ready for a phone book.

00:01:12.080 This was a 256-page, breezy, readable, fun book.

00:01:19.460 Some pages you laugh out loud.

00:01:21.100 Some pages you say Donald Trump's a rascal. 0.96

00:01:24.040 And you know what? 0.98

00:01:25.440 I think you managed to be fair, but not to suck up to Trump 0.80

00:01:30.000 and not to be a gotcha critic either.

00:01:32.160 No, no, no.

00:01:33.520 I tried to play it right down the middle.

00:01:35.660 And the true Trump is, in fact, a very entertaining person.

00:01:39.320 So a book about him should be rather entertaining.

00:01:40.940 Yeah.

00:01:41.380 You know, a president like no other, that's sort of an ambiguous statement.

00:01:45.100 You could say that if you were a Trump hater or a Trump lover.

00:01:47.740 Yeah.

00:01:48.460 But he's such a character.

00:01:49.800 But no one can dispute that that is true.

00:01:51.680 Yeah.

00:01:52.160 There's never been one like that, of that country anyway.

00:01:54.880 A lot of people despise him.

00:01:57.080 What's interesting to me is a lot of his critics today,

00:01:59.980 10 years ago, would have been his super fans,

00:02:01.820 or at least people who wanted to bask in his celebrity and his wealth.

00:02:06.460 Well, they'd see him as fine in his place, as a sort of blowhard billionaire.

00:02:10.860 But the idea that he wanted to take over the system

00:02:13.840 and kick out the people that he said had misgoverned the country for the last 15 years,

00:02:18.840 obviously that offends all those who identify with the people

00:02:22.420 who've been established in office in both parties all that time.

00:02:25.560 You have an interesting and quick history of his family life,

00:02:29.200 a very interesting family.

00:02:30.300 And you say it beautifully,

00:02:32.600 there's always been a drop of the showboat in the American culture,

00:02:37.340 a little bit more than our Canadian culture.

00:02:38.700 Oh, considerably more.

00:02:39.580 And it goes right to the start.

00:02:40.820 I mean, the Declaration of Independence is beautifully written by Thomas Jefferson.

00:02:45.820 But in the midst of it, there's a blood libel on the native people.

00:02:51.100 There is an indictment of poor old King George III

00:02:53.820 that makes him sound like someone who was on trial at Nuremberg.

00:02:57.180 And he wasn't.

00:02:57.760 He wasn't a terribly competent king, but he wasn't an evil man, for heaven's sakes.

00:03:01.880 And the Americans were the first important country in the world

00:03:07.700 that weren't defined by a culture unique to them.

00:03:11.100 I mean, the French spoke French, the Spanish spoke Spanish, and so forth.

00:03:14.400 And the English were the, or British were the English-speaking country.

00:03:17.320 So the Americans, as a substitute, devised the theory that we are the first free country.

00:03:22.220 Well, of course, they weren't.

00:03:23.020 They had no more civil liberties than the British or the Swiss or the Dutch 1.00

00:03:26.560 or most of the Scandinavians.

00:03:28.160 But that was what they staked out, and it's worked.

00:03:30.640 I mean, if it works, don't knock it.

00:03:32.060 In a way, it was a country more about the future than the past.

00:03:35.120 Exactly.

00:03:36.520 You know, the history of Trump, would you call him a swashbuckler?

00:03:41.820 You use a lot of great adjectives.

00:03:43.260 Yeah, he's certainly that.

00:03:44.280 An impresario.

00:03:45.420 That, too.

00:03:46.720 You know.

00:03:47.980 And at the worst, sort of a carnival guy.

00:03:50.400 You know, I mean, a huckster.

00:03:52.160 But P.T. Barnum, all of that, but also a statesman.

00:03:55.320 He runs the gamut.

00:03:56.200 He runs, I mean, in some ways, he's a slightly down market salesman.

00:04:01.360 But in some ways, he's a great patriotic American leader.

00:04:04.680 And that's the thing.

00:04:05.440 It's interesting.

00:04:06.620 Right now, there's a question of black America.

00:04:11.000 Can they embrace Trump?

00:04:12.140 And you've seen Kanye West and others break with the taboo and consider Republicans.

00:04:18.040 And it's funny because until very, very recently, Donald Trump was the star subject of hundreds of rap songs because in some ways he embodied the audacious American dream.

00:04:31.740 Get rich.

00:04:32.780 Live fancy.

00:04:33.040 I mean, he wasn't part of the gun culture.

00:04:35.520 And he was sort of anti-establishment, which they identified with.

00:04:38.200 Well, that's how is it possible to be a blue collar billionaire?

00:04:42.540 Because the blue collar thing, it really, it's not as if he ever worked with a blue collar on.

00:04:51.920 But the blue collar aspect and the way you mean it is a person not interested in spending all his time going to opera committees and being on the social pages of the New York Times.

00:05:02.780 And he's someone who started relatively modestly in socioeconomic terms and made a billion dollars, but still has the sort of every man mentality and relates to the people.

00:05:14.260 You know, there's a little passage in your book about how to save money.

00:05:17.740 He would mix his own extermination poison just when he was. 0.87

00:05:21.840 For the cockroaches.

00:05:22.960 Yeah.

00:05:23.320 Yeah.

00:05:23.500 Sorry.

00:05:23.880 Don't leave your viewers under any illusion of what he was trying to exterminate.

00:05:28.160 Like he would just, he got his hands dirty in.

00:05:30.800 No, but his father said, look, we don't have to go and buy this stuff.

00:05:34.700 We can make it ourselves.

00:05:35.940 And that's what he did.

00:05:37.400 There's famous.

00:05:38.280 I mean, we have to get rid of the roaches.

00:05:39.820 We got to have roaches in our buildings, but we can make our own, you know, the insecticide.

00:05:46.060 Yeah.

00:05:47.120 But what told me, what was interesting to me is that other people, especially those, he didn't come from, he came from some wealth.

00:05:54.420 Yeah.

00:05:54.640 Oh, you know, his father was a wealthy man.

00:05:56.040 And the idea that he would literally get his hands dirty was something that many people would find either off-putting or too grubby.

00:06:03.000 His father was a wealthy man, but he didn't start as a wealthy man.

00:06:07.780 And they didn't, they weren't the wealthy New York that the world knows.

00:06:12.520 They weren't Manhattan.

00:06:13.840 They were Brooklyn and Queens.

00:06:15.180 They had a very comfortable house.

00:06:17.000 And his father had two Cadillac limousines licensed, New York State license, F1 and F2, FT1 and FT2, Fred Trump.

00:06:25.960 And so they clearly weren't poor.

00:06:28.640 But, and he went to Fordham University and to Horton, University of Pennsylvania.

00:06:32.940 So, and then prior to that, he matriculated from a New York State military academy.

00:06:37.680 So, absolutely, it was not a rags to riches story, but it was never the socioeconomic top.

00:06:44.480 His father was never socially prominent.

00:06:46.640 He went to the construction sites, his famous pictures of Trump with a hard hat in the site.

00:06:51.600 Now, any boss could come through, but I think he dealt with enough frontline people, grassroots people to keep that sensibility.

00:06:59.720 Ezra, on his holidays, even in high school, he would work for his father on construction sites, not in the office, on construction sites.

00:07:06.540 Donald knows how to build a building.

00:07:08.640 He knows every phase of it.

00:07:10.340 And then, and including, he went to Horton because it was the only business school that had a specialty course in real estate, including construction.

00:07:19.160 The only one.

00:07:20.320 And so he saw it from absolutely the most basic position working with his father's work crews right up through university.

00:07:27.120 You know, Charles Murray, the great American and a scholar.

00:07:30.820 Yes, I know him well.

00:07:31.820 Wrote about coming apart, was one of his books, and how the white working class has been disconnected from the fancy Manhattan, L.A. cultural capitals.

00:07:43.420 And he developed a quiz called, How Thick Is Your Bubble?

00:07:47.500 And there's questions in it that are sort of startling.

00:07:50.620 Oh, yeah.

00:07:50.960 Like, have you ever been on a factory floor?

00:07:54.120 Yeah.

00:07:54.300 Have you ever worked at a job with physical labor that you come home and your body is sore?

00:07:59.920 Like, questions like that that remind liberals, maybe you don't know, maybe you're leftist, but you don't know the working class.

00:08:07.060 I found, and I think of Donald Trump, and we've got some video clips of Trump over the years, and I'd like to play one for you.

00:08:13.360 Just before you do it, if I may say one thing, I know Charles Murray, and he was here in Toronto several months ago, and there was a dinner for him, quite a large dinner that I went to.

00:08:22.040 And they invited questions after he'd spoken, so I asked him, and this was very shortly after Trump was inaugurated, and I asked him if it were not the case that if he succeeded in what he was trying to do, it would possibly reverse the trend he was describing.

00:08:38.020 He said, absolutely, if he succeeds, it will reverse it, because he is not out of touch.

00:08:42.500 And there's a respect that he respects working men and women.

00:08:46.380 Absolutely.

00:08:46.900 In a way that traditional liberals would put them, like, in a glass case at a museum and wouldn't want to touch them for fear they had mixed the rat poison.

00:08:55.980 They would profess sympathy for them as a group, but not wish to associate with them as individuals.

00:09:00.400 Exactly.

00:09:01.080 And there's one little clip, and I use it from time to time on my shows.

00:09:04.800 It was at a rally, I think it was in West Virginia, which is about something that's almost as dirty in the mind of the fancy set as an exterminator's pesticide, and that is coal.

00:09:15.720 It's just a very simple moment, but let me show you a quick clip I'd like to talk about.

00:09:19.360 Here's Donald Trump talking about coal.

00:09:21.280 You know, what a contrast between Hillary Clinton, who in one of her debates said there's going to be a lot of coal miners out of work, Barack Obama, the same thing.

00:09:47.280 They say they're for the working class, the working poor, but only if it's, I don't know, kind of aesthetically fashionable jobs.

00:09:55.640 Trump digs coal.

00:09:57.360 That's a shocking thing to say in today's environmental era.

00:10:00.600 But he always said beautiful, clean coal.

00:10:03.720 But you'll recall President Obama, when he was running for the office and in the primaries eight, nine years ago, running against Hillary Clinton, when she won in Pennsylvania, he made those disparaging remarks about blue-collar Pennsylvanians who took out their frustrations in their lives with guns and religion.

00:10:25.080 I mean, I think that is much closer.

00:10:26.300 Clingers cling to their Bibles. 0.85

00:10:27.500 That was a phrase.

00:10:28.060 But, I mean, that's much closer to the disparagement those people feel.

00:10:32.420 They might, in their minds, think we want to better their lot.

00:10:35.400 They're not living well and we want to help them.

00:10:37.240 And they might be sincere in that.

00:10:38.520 But they don't identify with them. 1.00

00:10:39.820 They think they're idiots. 1.00

00:10:40.780 You know, one of the things that's so good. 1.00

00:10:42.640 I found that Trump digs coal comment interesting for two reasons.

00:10:45.460 First of all, it's one thing to even say you're with a coal miner.

00:10:49.740 Because that's an obsolete, old school, that's dirty, that's blue-collar white man stuff. 0.55

00:10:57.740 That's not coding in Silicon Valley.

00:11:00.460 So it's uncool to begin with.

00:11:02.400 But then Trump actually meant it and he pulled the United States out of the Paris Global Warming Agreement. 0.77

00:11:11.480 Which was the dumbest treaty in history, rivaled only by the Iran Nuclear Treaty.

00:11:16.320 I think everyone knows the Paris Global Warming Treaty is sort of a sham. 0.96

00:11:21.240 But it's like the emperor has no clothes.

00:11:23.060 Oh, you can't say that.

00:11:24.900 Or it's the third.

00:11:26.000 Trump pulled America out and the sky didn't fall.

00:11:28.600 Sky didn't fall.

00:11:29.860 And meanwhile, the countries left behind, who are advanced countries,

00:11:33.180 are now having intense discussions amongst themselves about what they are going to do

00:11:37.840 about the $100 billion a year that China and India, the world's greatest polluters,

00:11:43.460 fast-growing economies, are expecting from them.

00:11:47.140 I want to ask you about this plain-spokenness.

00:11:50.180 And there's a few quotes from your book I want to give.

00:11:52.400 There's so much to cover.

00:11:53.420 I tell you, it was hard for me to find excerpts from the book because so many things were...

00:11:58.520 I want to tell you...

00:11:59.120 Let me pick one from random.

00:12:02.200 And thank you for your kind words.

00:12:03.500 Oh, you know what?

00:12:05.740 I was...

00:12:06.660 I won't lie to you.

00:12:07.560 I was nervous when I got this book.

00:12:09.100 I thought, this is going to be heavy duty.

00:12:10.800 I love...

00:12:11.580 Every page.

00:12:13.260 Let me read something.

00:12:14.380 I think you nailed it.

00:12:15.440 I think you nailed it.

00:12:16.840 A lot of people say, ah, Trump, he's insulting.

00:12:19.620 He has rude nicknames.

00:12:21.880 He's... 0.92

00:12:23.000 You know, he uses words like he calls country shitholes and stuff.

00:12:26.320 I want to read a paragraph.

00:12:28.800 By the way, I think it was house and not...

00:12:30.680 That's right.

00:12:31.360 Which is slightly less insulting.

00:12:32.300 That's right.

00:12:32.780 Yeah, you're right.

00:12:36.220 One of the things he's so good at, I think it's a Manhattan thing, is nicknames.

00:12:39.540 You give people a nickname and it sticks, they're doomed.

00:12:42.080 Well, he's got that New York tough guy stuff.

00:12:44.220 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:44.880 I mean, okay.

00:12:46.120 Let me read from the book.

00:12:48.780 Instead of leaking research and gossip about rivals, Trump just trotted rumors out directly,

00:12:54.120 no matter how frivolous.

00:12:55.660 Thus, as time went by to establish that Senator Lindsey Graham had given his private cell phone

00:12:59.660 number to Trump, he gave it to a crowd of thousands and he repeated spurious stories about Senator

00:13:06.940 Ted Cruz's father having had an association with Harvey Oswald.

00:13:11.480 And you go on and give more examples.

00:13:13.040 And, but, but I think the key is your first point there.

00:13:18.900 Every politician does that, but they just leak those insults or accusations or wild gossip

00:13:24.340 through surrogates.

00:13:26.140 They plant stories here and there.

00:13:27.880 Trump just comes out and says it.

00:13:29.920 Right.

00:13:30.520 And it's shocking, but at the same time, it's absolutely refreshing and honest.

00:13:34.600 Well, I'm not always altogether honest, but I agree.

00:13:38.440 It's, it's refreshingly candid.

00:13:40.860 You know, you're, and you're perfectly right.

00:13:43.300 The, the, I mean, Franklin D. Roosevelt was always above the fray, but he had, he had some

00:13:48.820 of his entourage who were specialists in absolutely harpooning the opponents, you say, but his,

00:13:54.800 his fingerprints were never on it.

00:13:56.500 But, you know, Trump's not like that.

00:13:59.000 I want to play a clip from a debate.

00:14:01.140 It's, I'm laughing when I, I shouldn't laugh.

00:14:03.220 No, no, no, he, he, he, he tries to get people to laugh and he's good at it.

00:14:06.920 Well, and that's the thing, because he said, you're laughing out of shock because he says

00:14:10.900 something you're not supposed to, but then you're laughing because if there's a grain

00:14:13.820 of truth to it, it's going to stick.

00:14:15.580 And, uh, when he, low energy Jeb, it sticks because you think, yeah, he's sort of low energy.

00:14:21.520 Let me play a clip.

00:14:22.360 Here's him versus Hillary Clinton. 0.99

00:14:24.740 And he's saying something you should never say.

00:14:27.400 Take a look.

00:14:28.360 She doesn't have the look.

00:14:29.520 She doesn't have the stamina. 1.00

00:14:31.140 I said, she doesn't have the stamina and I don't believe she does have the stamina to 1.00

00:14:37.420 be president of this country.

00:14:39.240 You need tremendous stamina.

00:14:41.660 Hillary has experience, but it's bad experience. 0.97

00:14:45.740 We have been saying Hillary Clinton has no stamina and she was just 10 feet away from him

00:14:51.520 and she was smiling that rictus grin.

00:14:54.140 But you know what?

00:14:54.920 I think it clicked.

00:14:56.060 And there were some health scares for Hillary Clinton on the camera. 0.97

00:14:58.220 Well, she fainted on camera, you know, going after the, uh, uh, 9-11 Memorial Day, you

00:15:04.500 know, and, and, uh, so there was, and she said she'd had pneumonia for a few days.

00:15:09.420 So there was a problem.

00:15:10.740 And, you know, we see later in some of the, uh, access to information documents that came

00:15:15.300 out, how often she was napping.

00:15:17.200 She was taking naps every day, sleeping.

00:15:18.840 I mean, and I don't know if that's something more serious, but Trump just put out there

00:15:24.400 what the under noose, that he just sort of murmurs.

00:15:28.680 He just, and he does that on Twitter in a way.

00:15:31.140 And the other side of it is he does have superhuman stamina.

00:15:34.920 He almost never sleeps.

00:15:36.120 He works all the time.

00:15:37.360 Even people who don't like him at all admit that he is astonishingly persevering and strong

00:15:43.540 physically.

00:15:43.960 Yeah, well, it is quite something.

00:15:45.680 It's hard to believe.

00:15:46.900 I think he's actually a year older than Hillary Clinton.

00:15:49.320 If, uh, I think more than a year.

00:15:51.900 It's a, he's, he's just about to turn 72 or just as, and I think she's just coming up

00:15:57.640 to 70.

00:15:58.560 I, and he looks more vigorous than she does.

00:16:01.460 I, um, I want to say something else because again, until you put this in words, one of the

00:16:07.960 things I value, I mean, I followed Donald Trump closely as so many, as the whole world does.

00:16:12.320 And I think I've followed him closely because I'm a journalist and I sense things.

00:16:16.860 But one of the things I like the best about your book is you crystallized my hunch into

00:16:21.460 a, he's, oh, that's right.

00:16:22.840 I didn't see it that way.

00:16:23.600 Let me quote something that I really found valuable.

00:16:26.160 Um, Trump has learned something about how to gain and hold the respect that is naturally

00:16:31.740 available to the chief of state and the country has somewhat got used to him.

00:16:35.340 I think you're right there.

00:16:36.040 And here's the key.

00:16:37.720 There are markedly fewer malapropisms.

00:16:40.800 There have been no bungled foreign initiatives, fewer indiscretions.

00:16:45.280 His economic program is working and his enemies are largely a tired coalition of character assassins

00:16:50.560 and hacks.

00:16:52.020 But let me come back to that first point.

00:16:54.300 Markedly fewer malapropisms, no, fewer indiscretions.

00:16:58.020 Everyone tries to hang.

00:16:59.400 Trump is so mouthy. 0.96

00:17:00.900 He's so lippy. 0.85

00:17:02.220 But when you think about it, other than the bluntness, he hasn't screwed it up.

00:17:09.540 And you would think a guy who's always tweeting and shooting from the hip would blow it up.

00:17:13.920 He hasn't blown it up.

00:17:14.600 But early on, there were some tweets that were ill-considered, but there are very few of

00:17:19.760 them now.

00:17:20.700 And look, this may be just me, but my impression is when you see him now, he has both hands

00:17:26.760 in the podium, you see the seal of office on the podium, and he looks and sounds like

00:17:31.860 a president.

00:17:32.780 I mean, he's very fluent, and he speaks with authority, and not in that somewhat boastful

00:17:40.420 manner that he used to have.

00:17:41.420 I mean, when the question was raised about the Nobel Prize, he said, look, that's a nice

00:17:45.460 thought, but it's premature.

00:17:46.660 What I want is a victory for everybody, for the whole world, not a prize for me.

00:17:50.120 Now, that was a very intelligent presidential thing to say, and he might not have said that

00:17:53.700 two years ago.

00:17:54.460 And by the way, there's no chance he's going to get that.

00:17:56.500 That's determined by a small committee of the Norwegian Parliament.

00:17:59.000 Give it to Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, and Barack Obama just for getting elected and getting

00:18:03.340 up on the party.

00:18:03.660 Well, it's a political gift.

00:18:04.820 Yeah.

00:18:05.400 But the presidents they should have given it to, President Truman, President Eisenhower,

00:18:09.660 President Kennedy, President Nixon, they didn't give it to them.

00:18:12.660 President Reagan.

00:18:13.600 The very first thing in your book is you dedicate it to the presidents you've known.

00:18:17.940 You list them.

00:18:19.240 LBJ, Nixon, Reagan, George H.W. Bush.

00:18:23.420 Maybe I'm missing one in there.

00:18:24.840 Clinton.

00:18:25.360 And Clinton.

00:18:25.840 The fact is, I knew Jimmy Carter, and I knew George W. Bush, but I must say, I didn't want

00:18:35.880 to say this, but I didn't particularly respect them as presidents.

00:18:38.820 As men, yes, but not as presidents.

00:18:40.560 Whereas the others, I did admire them.

00:18:42.000 How did you get to know and meet Trump?

00:18:44.340 Because I want to ask you a little bit about him.

00:18:45.760 Well, because we own the Chicago, my associates and I own the Chicago Sun-Times, and it had

00:18:53.220 a low-rise building in downtown Chicago.

00:18:55.800 It was clearly a prime site to develop.

00:18:59.220 And it had been owned by Marshall Field, a department store company and person.

00:19:05.740 And so he had a low-rise sort of almost, you know, with escalators rather than elevators.

00:19:11.640 It was almost like a department store.

00:19:13.340 So the Trump organization's bid was the best bid.

00:19:17.900 And that's how I got to know him.

00:19:19.240 And all my American directors said, oh, you know, hang on to your wallet. 0.97

00:19:22.700 This man's a scoundrel and so on.

00:19:24.080 But he came in exactly on time, exactly on budget, built a very much admired building, 0.96

00:19:29.720 98 stories, had the place full six months before it opened.

00:19:34.520 He was the best partner I ever had.

00:19:36.160 And then we stayed friendly after that.

00:19:38.060 We were neighbors in both New York and Palm Beach.

00:19:40.220 And he was very loyal to me in my legal difficulties.

00:19:44.440 He volunteered to come and give testimony for me.

00:19:47.420 And so, you know, we're friends.

00:19:50.340 I haven't seen him lately, and I obviously don't bother him in his present position.

00:19:53.560 But, you know, we were friends before.

00:19:56.060 I have a theory I would like to test on you.

00:19:58.880 My theory about Trump and why he gets away with not malapropisms, but his bluntness,

00:20:05.480 the shithouse comment, for example, or his criticism.

00:20:08.460 Here's my theory.

00:20:09.920 Unlike Hillary Clinton, who, for example, I don't know if you remember that clip when she

00:20:15.020 laughed before the camera was on about we came, we saw, we killed Muammar Gaddafi.

00:20:20.020 So there was a public Hillary and a private Hillary. 1.00

00:20:22.120 There was the Hillary that acted very presidential. 1.00

00:20:27.520 And then there was the brutal Hillary behind the scenes. 1.00

00:20:30.840 The one who gave this secret speech to the South American bankers about open borders and

00:20:36.060 everything while denying it all.

00:20:37.500 Yeah.

00:20:37.780 The one who would give speeches and take the big dough from Wall Street and then deem it.

00:20:43.060 My theory is that Donald Trump is absolutely the same in private, in public, absolutely

00:20:49.660 the same level of audacity, profanity, brutality, humor.

00:20:57.600 And that's my theory.

00:20:58.940 Tell me if that's right.

00:21:00.080 What you see is what you get.

00:21:01.460 I agree with you.

00:21:01.960 Well, it's like anything else, like all of us in our jobs, we get better at it as we

00:21:06.560 hold it longer and work at it.

00:21:08.400 And, you know, he's seeming more like a president than he did the day he started.

00:21:13.100 But you're absolutely right.

00:21:15.040 The Donald Trump one knows is the one one sees.

00:21:17.500 What is surprising to people who know him are these portrayals of him as a horrible, 0.99

00:21:24.000 evil man.

00:21:25.100 I mean, he isn't that at all.

00:21:27.260 I mean, he's a tough businessman, but he is a, you know, a hard-driving man whose objectives

00:21:34.820 are reasonable and commendable.

00:21:37.500 Your second last paragraph in the whole book.

00:21:39.840 I'm not going to give it away.

00:21:40.780 There's so many great, I don't want to give it away.

00:21:42.420 But this, I think you nail it.

00:21:43.920 With President Trump, no setback is admitted or accepted.

00:21:48.920 He's defiant.

00:21:50.560 For him, rebuffs are really victories, disguised victories, moral victories, or the preludes

00:21:55.860 to victories.

00:21:56.860 Hyperbole, truthful and otherwise, is his common parlance.

00:22:01.260 He speaks for the people.

00:22:02.500 He has been a very successful man, and he's repeatedly outwitted his opponents, which is

00:22:06.680 why he's attacked with such snobbery.

00:22:09.120 You don't hear snobbery used against a billionaire, as in the snobs attack a billionaire.

00:22:13.380 Normally, it's the other way around.

00:22:15.040 Envy and spitefulness.

00:22:16.880 But America is reversing its decline and wrenching itself loose from the habits of lassitude,

00:22:21.640 elitist decay.

00:22:22.720 That's a mix of things there.

00:22:24.400 Because normally, snobs don't hate a billionaire. 0.82

00:22:26.480 They want to be a billionaire.

00:22:27.500 How much of it's jealousy?

00:22:30.980 It's hard to be precise about that.

00:22:32.620 I think there was condescension to him before as a Bulgarian.

00:22:37.600 Once he was elected president, the envy became a tremendous incrustation on the minds of a

00:22:45.500 great many wealthy people who had thought of him as a culturally inferior person, even

00:22:51.160 though he was, in terms of his wealth, a parallel to themselves.

00:22:55.560 But now that he is the 43rd direct successor to General George Washington as president,

00:23:01.620 I think the envy is the size of what used to be called Mount McKinley.

00:23:07.700 I believe President Obama changed his own native name.

00:23:11.360 I like the fact that no setback is admitted.

00:23:14.520 And if it's a defeat, it's just a victory in disguise.

00:23:17.820 He's never defeated.

00:23:18.980 You just fight on.

00:23:20.100 You saw that in the Obamacare repeal thing.

00:23:27.060 He just fought on.

00:23:27.880 And he did get the mandate, the coercive part of it, canceled in his tax bill.

00:23:32.580 So, you know, he just never gives up.

00:23:36.340 I was worried.

00:23:37.600 I mean, I learned from your book, I guess I should have known, but I didn't know it,

00:23:41.680 that he really seriously considered Ross Perot's Reform Party as an option.

00:23:47.580 He considered the Democrats.

00:23:48.660 So he's always been an outsider.

00:23:51.360 My fear when he won, I thought, geez, he doesn't have deep roots in Washington.

00:23:56.580 All these insiders are going to run circles around him.

00:23:59.620 And I felt like that's how his first six months sort of was until he put his own people around him.

00:24:05.520 But also, Ezra, he had attacked the whole system, both parties and all factions of both parties,

00:24:11.840 including the Republican leaders in the Congress and most of the Republican senators and congressmen.

00:24:17.420 And so for the first six months, they just sat in their hands.

00:24:20.380 They didn't do anything to put his program through.

00:24:22.500 But you see all the never-Trumpers are leaving.

00:24:24.940 About 30 of them are not running again.

00:24:26.860 Ryan's going, Corker, Flake, and so forth.

00:24:29.920 And they're in lockstep behind him now trying to get his program through.

00:24:33.740 So he's, you know, it was a war on the whole system.

00:24:37.480 He won the nomination.

00:24:38.680 Then he won the election.

00:24:39.460 Now he's won over the congressional Republicans.

00:24:41.980 He's taken it in stages.

00:24:43.640 We're talking with Conrad Black.

00:24:45.020 The book is called Donald J. Trump, A President Like No Other by Regnery.

00:24:48.140 It's available online.

00:24:49.400 We'll have the link for Amazon underneath this video.

00:24:52.040 So I think one of the reasons Trump may be successful, you allude to it, being in real

00:24:59.820 estate in New York City, you're not working with, you know, Swiss, you know, bankers. 0.77

00:25:07.780 That's right.

00:25:08.240 It's not angels.

00:25:10.160 It's not an industry dominated by angels.

00:25:11.740 Let me just read a line.

00:25:12.740 I'd like you to expand on this.

00:25:13.580 Donald Trump is not a blundering reactionary, but a battle-hardened veteran of very difficult

00:25:18.940 businesses, full of unethical people, and he's no Eagle Scout himself.

00:25:23.520 He is a very tough and almost demiurgically energetic man.

00:25:27.300 I got to look that word up.

00:25:28.640 His personality is so startling and at times garish that there's a large section of the

00:25:32.540 population that will not warm to him.

00:25:34.580 That's right.

00:25:35.080 But if his persistence brings continued success, he will accede to this board of majority.

00:25:39.340 I think the reason he can stare down Kim Jong-un, that's still in progress, the reason he can

00:25:46.320 stare down the UN on the climate BS, the reason he may succeed with Iran is because he's used 0.99

00:25:52.360 to dealing with some of the toughest guys, including the mob, which was in the construction

00:25:56.440 business and the casino business.

00:25:59.260 I think he's the first, well, not the first, he's the biggest bruiser in that office since

00:26:04.860 maybe Teddy Kennedy, Teddy Roosevelt.

00:26:07.220 What do you think?

00:26:07.680 Like, he's a bruiser.

00:26:09.780 Oh, yeah.

00:26:10.160 You saw when that guy charged onto his platform in one of the Ohio cities, I forget the date

00:26:16.640 of it.

00:26:16.760 The would-be assassinated, yeah.

00:26:18.320 Yeah, not Cleveland or Cincinnati, but one of those other Ohio cities.

00:26:24.740 His first reaction wasn't sort of timorous.

00:26:27.880 It was a hardening of his fists and turning towards this person and security.

00:26:32.880 Is he physically a big man?

00:26:34.040 He looks like him.

00:26:34.560 Yes, yes, and solid.

00:26:36.980 And while his doctors have advised him to lose some weight, he's quite muscular.

00:26:42.000 He plays golf all the time.

00:26:43.080 Yeah, he's a strong man.

00:26:46.200 And he does, to use his word, have the stamina.

00:26:51.840 Some of the, I think you're probably right.

00:26:55.420 You mentioned Theodore Roosevelt because he was a rancher and a man and an explorer and

00:27:00.920 a person who required a great deal of himself physically.

00:27:03.400 Some others were very strong in other ways.

00:27:06.340 I mean, Franklin, because he lost the use of his legs, he had bigger biceps than Jack

00:27:11.820 Dempsey and massive chest because his upper body did everything, you see.

00:27:15.740 That's one of his crutches is how he propelled himself around.

00:27:18.560 But he is, Donald Trump certainly is, you know, he's a can-do, let's-get-it-done guy.

00:27:28.500 He's also used to dealing with bad dudes.

00:27:30.880 And I think that the John Kerry's of the world who say, well, but Article 42 of the U.N.

00:27:36.740 treaty, and Trump has no time for that.

00:27:39.320 He knows BS when he sees it, and he sees a con man in Kim Jong-un's approach to the world.

00:27:43.960 So it's not just the physical.

00:27:44.940 It's a straight correlation of forces, though.

00:27:46.900 He's the president of the U.S., and he knows the power of the United States.

00:27:50.020 He's not afraid to threaten to use it.

00:27:52.240 And let us face facts.

00:27:55.100 Barack Obama didn't think that way.

00:27:57.360 I mean, he had his qualities.

00:27:58.660 But the idea of approaching different countries with diverging motives to those of the U.S.

00:28:05.140 interest and saying, in effect, look here, you know, I represent and I'm the commander

00:28:10.560 in chief of the greatest military power in the world, and I won't stand for this.

00:28:13.600 That was not how he operated, but Donald will do that.

00:28:16.700 I remember when Barack Obama was photographed holding a book, I think it was by Fareed Zakaria,

00:28:20.680 called The Post-American President.

00:28:24.500 Post-American. 0.66

00:28:25.940 That is the exact opposite of Trump's slogan, make America great again.

00:28:30.560 Post-American world. 0.59

00:28:31.880 I remember when Obama was asked at his first NATO meeting, do you believe in American exceptionalism?

00:28:37.240 And he said, yeah, the same way the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.

00:28:39.920 I don't know if you remember that.

00:28:40.680 Yeah, I did.

00:28:41.020 And he wouldn't wear the American flag.

00:28:43.480 The exact opposite of Trump.

00:28:45.920 Maybe you wouldn't have had Trump if you didn't have Obama first. 0.53

00:28:48.920 Yeah, and George W.

00:28:50.240 George W. really brought on the economic crisis.

00:28:53.980 And even though they were Clinton's measures, the housing bubble.

00:28:57.540 But he sat there for eight years until it blew up.

00:29:00.380 And he was rather indiscriminate in his use of military force.

00:29:03.780 And then you add to that Obama's flatlining the economy and his passivity and, frankly, weakness in foreign policy.

00:29:12.100 The self-dissolving red line and that kind of thing.

00:29:15.160 And the Americans just couldn't take it anymore.

00:29:17.780 But the key metric, in my opinion, was GDP growth per capita went from 4.5% with Reagan, 3.9% with Clinton, 2% with George W., 1% with Obama.

00:29:29.420 And Americans will not settle for that.

00:29:31.780 They won't stand for it.

00:29:32.960 Yeah.

00:29:33.800 You know, the decline.

00:29:36.160 And again, this is something we talked a little bit about, Charles Murray.

00:29:39.100 The fancy class can handle the decline or they don't see the decline.

00:29:42.880 No, they're not in decline.

00:29:44.080 You know, you've been very generous with your time today.

00:29:47.720 I want to talk a little bit about something that pure conservatives, libertarians would have criticized before.

00:29:58.600 And that is Trump's an economic nationalist.

00:30:00.840 So he threatens to upset the pure libertarian globalism on economics and a Milton Friedman type and all the think tank conservatives would be opposed to it.

00:30:14.660 I'm going to show you a clip.

00:30:15.820 I think this is fascinating.

00:30:16.980 This is from the Oprah Winfrey show in 1988.

00:30:20.880 So what's that?

00:30:21.440 30 years ago.

00:30:23.420 And back then, the economic challenger to America was Japan, not China.

00:30:28.100 But I think if you swap China in, you could play this tape today and it would be Trump in 2018.

00:30:34.440 There's also a reference to Kuwait.

00:30:36.200 Trump has similar thoughts about OPEC today.

00:30:38.380 Here, without further ado, here's a clip from Trump on Oprah 30 years ago.

00:30:42.360 I got a full-page ad in major U.S. newspapers last year criticizing U.S. foreign policy.

00:30:47.420 What would you do differently, Donald?

00:30:48.960 I'd make our allies, forgetting about the enemies, the enemies you can't talk to so easily.

00:30:52.960 I'd make our allies pay their fair share.

00:30:55.340 We're a debtor nation.

00:30:56.220 Something's going to happen over the next number of years with this country because you can't keep going on losing $200 billion.

00:31:01.720 And yet we let Japan come in and dump everything right into our markets and everything. 1.00

00:31:05.740 It's not free trade.

00:31:07.100 If you ever go to Japan right now and try to sell something, forget about it, Oprah.

00:31:10.500 Just forget about it.

00:31:11.360 It's almost impossible.

00:31:12.520 They don't have laws against it.

00:31:13.640 They just make it impossible.

00:31:15.160 They come over here.

00:31:15.920 They sell their cars, their VCRs.

00:31:17.720 They knock the hell out of our companies.

00:31:19.500 And, hey, I have tremendous respect for the Japanese people.

00:31:22.160 I mean, you can respect somebody that's beating the hell out of you, but they are beating the hell out of this country.

00:31:27.000 Kuwait, they live like kings.

00:31:28.300 The poorest person in Kuwait, they live like kings. 1.00

00:31:30.780 And yet they're not paying.

00:31:31.860 We make it possible for them to sell their oil.

00:31:34.320 Why aren't they paying us 25 percent of what they're making?

00:31:37.000 It's a joke.

00:31:37.620 Isn't that interesting?

00:31:41.520 That kind of talk, free market peers was, oh, that's terrible.

00:31:46.740 You're going to throw the world back in a recession.

00:31:48.420 I note that America is booming.

00:31:50.820 Unemployment is low.

00:31:53.220 It's at record lows for blacks and Hispanics.

00:31:58.240 Industry...

00:31:58.800 Companies are reshoring.

00:32:00.760 Apple repatriated a quarter of a trillion dollars.

00:32:04.560 Manufacturing's coming back.

00:32:05.460 And he actually hasn't, other than his new squabble with China, he actually hasn't done anything other than used a bully pulpit yet.

00:32:13.360 Deregulated to encourage investment and change the psychology.

00:32:17.320 I mean, half of economics is psychology, and he's changed that.

00:32:22.240 The soft point is workforce participation's at 62.8 percent, and it should be a bit higher.

00:32:28.880 But you remember on his trade thing, he's all for trade.

00:32:33.720 What he doesn't like are trade imbalances.

00:32:35.860 He wants the United States to export more rather than the others to export less to the U.S., as long as it's fair trade.

00:32:44.360 I mean, let's just look in one sentence at Mexico.

00:32:47.480 That is, a trade surplus with the U.S. of $65 billion.

00:32:50.520 They were facilitating the entry into the United States of half a million completely unskilled people. 0.83

00:32:56.500 They may be good people, but unskilled people illegally every year.

00:33:01.140 And they were enticing American factories away to, you know, just inside the Mexican border.

00:33:06.940 And then encouraged them to export back into the U.S., creating unemployment in the United States.

00:33:12.220 And encouraged them to retain their profits in Mexico so they didn't pay taxes in the U.S.

00:33:16.440 Now, you don't blame the Mexicans for doing what they can, but the United States doesn't have to put up with that.

00:33:22.060 It's 20 times as powerful a country as Mexico, and that's not fair trade.

00:33:25.980 It's interesting.

00:33:27.480 I mean, on Twitter, you can search individual people how many times they've used the word China, Iran.

00:33:35.840 I went through every single tweet Donald Trump's ever written on China.

00:33:39.140 Boy, he's written a lot.

00:33:40.460 And there were, I'm talking about tweets five years ago when he was not really in, be careful, I'm on the campaign mode.

00:33:47.400 Though he did say to the New York Times some months ago, when I asked him this directly, he said,

00:33:54.080 yes, the fact is I've gone gently on China on the economic side because the number one crisis at the moment is North Korea, and we need them there.

00:34:02.300 And this is nothing but the truth.

00:34:04.300 Well, you're right.

00:34:05.080 But he's also not afraid to call them out when they, for example, they broke the North Korean embargo.

00:34:11.380 Boy, he came down on it.

00:34:12.320 So that's that same bluntness that we saw against Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush.

00:34:18.520 In a tweet, he'll call out little rocket man in North Korea. 0.87

00:34:21.340 In a tweet, he'll say, I've had it with giving money to the Palestinians. 0.51

00:34:24.260 In a tweet.

00:34:25.040 Yeah.

00:34:25.460 He'll say what everyone knew was true.

00:34:26.780 You fired the Secretary of State in a tweet.

00:34:28.300 On China, to stand up for industries that no one would care about.

00:34:36.660 Again, these are the blue-collar folks, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Ohio.

00:34:39.960 And they're just supposed to roll over and yield to the forces of history.

00:34:43.140 States haven't voted Republican in a generation.

00:34:45.700 I don't think the Democrats have got it yet.

00:34:47.940 I think they're still pandering to the coastal elites in Hollywood and Manhattan.

00:34:53.960 There are a few of them who still think they can destroy the Trump administration.

00:34:58.300 And there are some who think this is their opportunity to get ahead of the future

00:35:04.780 and take the Democratic Party far to the left.

00:35:07.120 You know, the Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders left.

00:35:10.000 But I think the great sort of center of that party is very confused right now.

00:35:14.580 We're almost out of time, and I appreciate you spending it with us.

00:35:17.440 I've really enjoyed this.

00:35:19.000 I loved this book.

00:35:20.480 I loved it.

00:35:21.260 Thank you.

00:35:21.640 I mean, I knew I'd like it, but I didn't think it would.

00:35:25.260 It's the best book I've read.

00:35:26.920 But, I mean, Jordan Peterson's book, I'm a super fan of that.

00:35:30.080 It's a very, very different book.

00:35:31.580 It's a very different style.

00:35:32.640 It made it come.

00:35:35.100 And you know what?

00:35:35.600 To see all the sniping attacks on Trump cataloged, and you're, oh, yeah, that one.

00:35:41.580 Oh, yeah, that one.

00:35:42.480 And they each, they're like a fruit fly.

00:35:44.260 They have a very short life.

00:35:45.320 And you almost forgot, until I saw them cataloged there, just the muck that's being thrown in the guy.

00:35:51.000 Well, remember the Charlottesville business.

00:35:53.040 I mean, nobody remembers it now.

00:35:54.460 In theory, the argument was that he was going soft on the Ku Klux Klan of the Nazis.

00:36:00.360 I mean, this is nonsense. 1.00

00:36:01.740 No one can believe such rubbish. 0.98

00:36:03.020 Well, and maybe that's the reason why the media has fallen in the polls in terms of people's trust for it. 0.93

00:36:09.180 But the media doesn't know that.

00:36:10.420 So they think they're the arbiters of whether or not Trump is moral.

00:36:13.060 What really frustrates them is that he's used the social media to it with them.

00:36:17.880 I mean, he issues a tweet, 45 million people get it at once.

00:36:21.920 And their research, the president's research is that those people send it on within 10 minutes to at least 45 million more.

00:36:28.460 So 90 million people are in almost direct touch with the president in 10 minutes.

00:36:32.720 Well, let me ask you about that.

00:36:34.260 I'm going to move away from your book now.

00:36:35.940 I'd love it.

00:36:36.400 And I recommend it.

00:36:37.240 The book is called The President Like No Other.

00:36:39.320 You can get it on Amazon.

00:36:41.000 We'll have a link below.

00:36:44.560 Twitter, Facebook, YouTube helped win Brexit.

00:36:48.160 I don't think the social media titans figure that out.

00:36:52.360 Trump won that way.

00:36:54.860 Certainly not the fancy.

00:36:55.920 I mean, New York Times two weeks in advance was saying 92% chance Hillary's going to win. 1.00

00:37:00.580 And I think shortly after Trump won, when the people said what went wrong, they said social media, they started to crack down.

00:37:07.780 They deleted 30,000 Facebook pages from Marine Le Pen in France.

00:37:11.940 We see Silicon Valley really tightening up, mainly on conservatives.

00:37:17.260 I haven't seen any liberal taken down.

00:37:18.980 Well, Google's starting to take the heat from being a left-wing operation.

00:37:22.680 And Mark Zuckerberg, when he testified at Congress.

00:37:25.240 They gave him a pretty good roasting.

00:37:26.960 But they didn't do anything other than they roasted.

00:37:28.780 Not so far.

00:37:30.220 So here's my question to you.

00:37:32.600 Donald Trump wins because he goes around the media, direct to the people.

00:37:36.540 But if he doesn't, we mentioned briefly Teddy Roosevelt.

00:37:41.000 Will Donald Trump take on this oligopoly, these extremely powerful people, as powerful in our day as J.D. Rockefeller?

00:37:51.480 Bezos is the one he's focused on at Amazon.

00:37:54.280 Look, I don't know.

00:37:55.180 I mean, remember this, Ezra.

00:37:57.440 You've got to respect the First Amendment.

00:37:59.400 I mean, people have the right to say what they want, mean less.

00:38:01.300 And no one's going to tamper with that.

00:38:04.160 But I think what he will not hesitate to do is focus the irritation of his followers and himself on them.

00:38:12.880 And even now, you know, every week, as you know, he goes out into the middle of the country to Oklahoma or Arkansas or Iowa or something.

00:38:19.640 He was in Michigan last week, I think.

00:38:21.320 But rural Michigan.

00:38:22.420 But they pack out the local stadium, a big stadium, and he harangues his supporters for about 90 minutes.

00:38:29.660 But it's all over national television.

00:38:32.000 And then at some point, he points at the press box and says, they are the authors of these lies.

00:38:38.220 And people shake their fists.

00:38:39.780 So he'll do that.

00:38:40.940 But if you mean actually try and legislate against political opponents in business, I don't think that would work in the United States.

00:38:49.180 Well, what about the—

00:38:50.540 And it shouldn't work.

00:38:51.340 I love the First Amendment.

00:38:52.260 I wish we had it in Canada.

00:38:53.600 I think it's our greatest flaw as a country in Canada not having it.

00:38:56.800 I'm talking about—and maybe I'm getting too technical here—but it would be like a telephone company listening to your conversation saying,

00:39:05.040 oh, we're going to shut you off now because you're saying things on our telephone we don't like.

00:39:10.800 So they're no longer a platform.

00:39:12.600 They're a publisher.

00:39:13.580 What happens when Facebook, YouTube, Google—

00:39:15.620 Well, he would act against that.

00:39:16.780 Well, I feel like that's where we're going.

00:39:18.240 It sounds like maybe you don't see this as grave a threat as I do.

00:39:22.760 The truth is I don't follow it as much as you probably do.

00:39:25.380 But I think if it is happening, I would see it as grave a thought as you described.

00:39:29.560 But if that is what they're doing, public opinion would support him if he did that.

00:39:36.120 I think that's the gravest threat to his re-election.

00:39:38.500 There's one more.

00:39:39.220 The president's ability to mobilize public opinion, any president, if he knows what he's doing, is very great.

00:39:44.100 Yeah.

00:39:44.500 I have one last question because I know our time is up.

00:39:46.440 But I've said before, and I'd like your reaction to this, I've said if Donald Trump builds the wall, no matter what, he'll be re-elected.

00:39:53.980 If he does not build the wall, no matter what, he will not be re-elected.

00:39:57.660 What do you think of that?

00:39:58.480 I think the wall is essential to his credibility, to his base, to the economic part of his platform, the security part of his platform, and his war against the fancy opinion set.

00:40:09.320 What do you think?

00:40:09.660 I agree with one slight modification.

00:40:12.160 It doesn't actually have to be physically a wall.

00:40:15.400 He has to create the border.

00:40:17.440 And if, because of the chicanery in the Congress, he can't get the wall done, if he deploys military and paramilitary units to make sure that the illegal entries are reduced to practically none, 0.99

00:40:34.240 he'll fulfill his promise, saying he's doing that as he continues to work to build the wall.

00:40:39.660 But I think I'd flip the coin also in this way.

00:40:46.360 He is going to go after the Democrats as the party of open borders, let anyone come in, let them vote, even if they're not citizens.

00:40:53.900 And it is, as they claim, improper to allow census takers to ask people if they are, in fact, citizens, which is just incomprehensible to me. 0.99

00:41:00.880 He's going to hang that around their neck like a toilet seat, and he's going to kill them. 0.84

00:41:04.560 But if he abandoned the immigration issue, I agree, he would go down, but he's not going to do that. 0.99

00:41:08.400 I hope you're right.

00:41:09.740 Well, listen, I've enjoyed this.

00:41:11.000 Time has flown.

00:41:11.640 I've got about 300 more questions we're going to have to save for another day.

00:41:14.600 I love the book.

00:41:15.700 I wouldn't say that if I didn't love it.

00:41:17.360 I would have said I liked it.

00:41:18.960 But I love it.

00:41:20.420 It's, I think it's the, every Trump supporter needs to read it because it's an antidote to so much of the poison out there.

00:41:27.960 And it's not a love letter.

00:41:29.360 No, it's not a whitewash at all.

00:41:30.220 It's fair.

00:41:31.000 Yeah.

00:41:31.300 It's a good, and you're a good faith critic.

00:41:32.940 Yeah, I mean, look, Donald can get on anyone's nerves, including mine, but, you know, there he is.

00:41:37.960 Well, I really enjoyed the book, folks.

00:41:39.540 It's called A President Like No Other.

00:41:41.540 Donald Trump, the author, is Conrad Black, who spent the last nearly an hour with me.

00:41:45.120 I've enjoyed it.

00:41:46.160 You can get it on Amazon.ca or .com.

00:41:48.880 We'll have the links below.

00:41:50.560 And we'll be back with our regular format tomorrow.

00:41:54.080 Thank you so much.

00:41:54.740 It's great to see you.

00:41:55.140 Thank you, Ezra.

00:41:56.020 Congratulations on the great stuff.

00:41:56.600 Thank you so much.

00:41:57.260 All right, that's our show for today.

00:41:58.940 Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at the Rebel World Headquarters, goodnight, and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - May 22, 2018

Ezra Levant Show May 21 2018

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