Rebel News Podcast - Ezra Levant Show May 9 2018

00:00:00.000 The Ontario election campaign kicks off today, but come election day, I will not be voting for

00:00:06.040 the PC party. I'll tell you why. It's May 9th. I'm David Menzies, and this is the Ezra Levent Show.

00:00:18.220 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?

00:00:22.020 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.

00:00:25.760 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.

00:00:28.740 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my

00:00:33.760 bloody right to do so.

00:00:39.660 I'm David Menzies, in for Ezra Levent tonight. Well, say hello to Doug Ford, Ontario's new

00:00:46.260 and improved free speech champion. Oh, it's true, it's true. The Ontario progressive conservative

00:00:51.820 leader says that if he becomes premier, he'll tie post-secondary funding to free speech.

00:00:59.240 And as casual viewers of our campus on mass segments know full well, free speech is increasingly

00:01:06.160 under attack on campus by censor-happy leftist loonies. Now, Ford's pledge is a boon for free

00:01:14.220 speech advocates, to be sure. Just think of Wilfrid Laurier T.A. Lindsay Shepard, who dared

00:01:20.860 to show a clip of Jordan Peterson to her students. That's all it took for the faculty to attempt

00:01:27.320 to crucify her upon the altar of political correctness. And while universities seem immune 0.99

00:01:33.900 to criticism, they do care very deeply about that almighty buck. So the threat of cutting

00:01:40.260 provincial funding will indeed get their attention. So three cheers for Doug Ford, a free speech

00:01:46.860 crusader at last. But wait a second, is this not the very same Doug Ford who, just a few days prior

00:01:54.460 to his new incarnation as a free speech advocate, politically assassinated his own kingmaker for

00:02:02.140 once upon a time exercising her free speech? Yes, I speak of Tanya Granik-Allen, a woman whose

00:02:10.100 supporters put Ford over the top at the PC leadership convention in March by the slimmest of margins.

00:02:17.880 Without Tanya and her supporters, this party would now be headed up by Christine Elliott. 0.78

00:02:23.980 Tanya, of course, is a social conservative who has voiced her opposition to gay marriage and

00:02:29.000 the Ontario sex ed curriculum. And when the media party trained their sights on Tanya for making 0.95

00:02:34.920 comments in the past that they deemed to be homophobic and Islamophobic, well, Doug was faced

00:02:42.620 with a choice. He could stand up to the criticism or he could capitulate. And what did Mr. Free Speech do?

00:02:50.400 Well, think of what happens to a cheap lawn chair when someone who's circus fat decides to take a seat.

00:02:56.780 Tanya was cast aside like a leper, merely for voicing a contrarian opinion. 0.94

00:03:03.380 And in a news release, Doug Free Speech Ford had this to say,

00:03:08.120 the progressive conservatives are, quote, a party comprised of people with diverse views

00:03:13.380 that if expressed responsibly, we would respect, end quote.

00:03:18.140 Oh, really? So when or when will Mr. Ford turf the PC candidate for Carlton, Goldie Gamery? 0.94

00:03:25.540 Gamery has allegedly gone by the alias the Persian cat in the past. She's a recent convert to

00:03:33.660 conservatism, being a lifelong liberal supporter, so much so that she once labeled Stephen Harper

00:03:40.580 as a national embarrassment. Oh, but wait, there's more. How about this poll cat who has written on

00:03:47.820 social media that Christianity is gay and that Jesus is worm food? 0.99

00:03:54.580 Are those diverse views the kind that you respect, Doug, that Christianity is gay and that Jesus is worm food? 0.99

00:04:02.000 If those aren't views that you respect, then why was Granite Allen thrown under the big blue PC bus 0.93

00:04:07.580 while the odious Persian cat is embraced?

00:04:10.600 Look, I'm not saying that Granite Allen phrased her opinions in the best way possible,

00:04:16.440 but how can the PC party give Gamery a pass

00:04:20.280 under their diverse views logic?

00:04:23.780 And now Doug Ford reinvents himself

00:04:26.180 as a free speech champion?

00:04:28.800 Oh, come on, give me a break. 1.00

00:04:30.640 And how do we even know he'll make good on this free speech promise

00:04:34.780 as opposed to capitulating to the elites and the media party?

00:04:39.980 Remember how Doug told us he was all about grassroots nominations,

00:04:44.380 only to appoint 11 candidates, some of them hardcore liberals,

00:04:49.880 some of them being appointed for no other reason than nepotism?

00:04:54.380 Just like Doug promised he'd develop a portion of the green belt,

00:04:58.720 only to do such a stunning backflip on that pledge,

00:05:02.120 it would make a Cirque du Soleil performer careen with envy.

00:05:06.440 Quite frankly, I'm experiencing Ford fatigue.

00:05:10.520 I thought Doug was the new champion of Ford Nation,

00:05:14.700 not the boy who cried wolf.

00:05:17.220 Now, Ford's apologists will say that he's essentially being held captive

00:05:21.320 by advisors who are acolytes for Christine Elliott and Princess Caroline

00:05:26.460 and even the disgraceful backstabbing weakling that was Patrick Brown.

00:05:31.400 So the question arises, is Ford frustrated by his own handlers

00:05:36.740 or is he experiencing Stockholm Syndrome?

00:05:41.540 Me thinks it's high time for Doug Ford to stop being Patty Hearst

00:05:45.320 and to start espousing the philosophy of President Truman.

00:05:48.920 You know, the buck stops here.

00:05:51.640 You are the leader of the PC party, Mr. Ford,

00:05:54.680 albeit by the grace of Tanya Granik-Ellen,

00:05:57.640 who you so cruelly jettisoned last weekend.

00:06:00.300 Can you not rid yourself of your insidious inner circle?

00:06:05.760 After all, your real supporters, the province's beleaguered taxpayers, 0.82

00:06:11.120 want Ford Nation, not Doug in the slugs.

00:06:15.520 Personally speaking, until I see Tanya Granik-Ellen reinstated,

00:06:19.500 I'm done with this hijacking of Ford Nation.

00:06:22.960 I wonder how many other PC supporters feel the same way.

00:06:28.080 The PCs should be cruising to victory right now.

00:06:30.980 Instead, I fear they have opened up the door for the NDP to win by way of default.

00:06:37.280 Am I and other conservatives cutting off our noses in spite of our faces by withdrawing our support?

00:06:43.120 Well, perhaps, but I think of a 1987 film with a very forgettable plot,

00:06:50.280 but an incredibly memorable title, Death Before Dishonor.

00:06:55.480 Imagine that.

00:06:56.900 Honor being so important to someone that even death is preferable to losing face.

00:07:03.380 But with the Ford PCs these days, it's not death that makes them blink.

00:07:08.800 It's merely the specter of bad publicity from the liberal elitists and the media party.

00:07:15.040 How odd, a few weeks ago, Premier Kathleen Wynne, 1.00

00:07:19.040 in a move that smacked of political desperation,

00:07:22.740 compared Doug Ford to Donald Trump.

00:07:25.440 Oh, if only!

00:07:27.620 It has been estimated that about 90% of media coverage regarding President Trump has been negative,

00:07:34.960 and yet his popularity continues to increase.

00:07:38.620 You think Trump cares about the nattering nabobs of negativity?

00:07:43.400 Not when new jobs are being created every day and the unemployment rate continues to plummet.

00:07:49.160 Doug Ford is no Donald Trump.

00:07:51.940 In fact, Doug Ford isn't Rob Ford.

00:07:54.600 Someone who would have had nothing to do with this ongoing betrayal of Ford Nation.

00:08:01.440 Come June 7th, looks like I'll be declining my ballot.

00:08:05.840 And really, what other choice do I have?

00:08:08.680 Well, there you have it, folks.

00:08:26.740 The reasons why, as it stands now, I just can't vote for the PC party on June 7th.

00:08:32.480 I just can't.

00:08:33.300 But most Conservatives in Ontario feel anybody but win is indeed the approach to go.

00:08:39.540 And joining me now to, I guess, try to change my mind,

00:08:43.160 is Catherine Swift, a representative for Working Canadians.

00:08:47.800 Welcome to the show, Catherine.

00:08:49.840 Thank you, David.

00:08:50.760 Well, you heard what I had to say.

00:08:53.000 You know, I am a big booster of Ford Nation.

00:08:57.380 I've been a big backer of the Fords.

00:08:59.660 But I'm sorry, Catherine.

00:09:01.180 I've seen one promise after another broken, even before Doug Ford gets into office.

00:09:07.640 And then I saw, quite frankly, the betrayal of the woman, Tanya Granik-Ellen,

00:09:12.340 that put him in the office.

00:09:13.560 Without her, it's Christine Elliott, who is the leader of the PC party.

00:09:17.160 I just can't support a party that's doing these kind of backflips even before it gets elected.

00:09:25.100 I understand what you're saying, for sure.

00:09:28.160 I guess I've been in this sort of small P political business,

00:09:33.860 not so much partisan as public policy and whatnot for many decades now.

00:09:39.260 And frankly, we all have to compromise, unfortunately.

00:09:42.760 And I think it's a matter of sort of looking at the ledger.

00:09:47.080 Where's the cost?

00:09:48.100 Where's the benefits?

00:09:49.020 You know, where's the positives?

00:09:49.980 Where's the negatives?

00:09:51.100 I think there's no question Ford has made his mistakes.

00:09:55.680 I guess at this stage of the game, however, frankly, David,

00:09:59.940 I would vote for my dog before I would vote for either Wynn or Horvath.

00:10:04.780 I just feel at least my dog would do no harm.

00:10:08.920 And both of them with their platforms.

00:10:12.400 It kills me how the Liberals and the NDP and not just in Ontario, as we know,

00:10:17.240 they have all these ideas about how to redistribute wealth.

00:10:20.860 They haven't a clue how to generate it in the first place.

00:10:24.440 And, of course, the Ontario Liberal and NDP platforms are full of, you know,

00:10:28.880 that kind of philosophy.

00:10:29.860 But so, I mean, there's no question there's been backtracking and so on.

00:10:36.340 I think part of it is Ford's personality.

00:10:38.840 He is a bull in a china shop. 0.62

00:10:40.860 And maybe the bull needs a few smacks upside the head to make him realize

00:10:45.220 he can't just wing it off, you know, off the cuff.

00:10:48.340 In the case of Tanya Granik-Allen, I think that maybe they should have done more work.

00:10:55.940 She did say some pretty, you know, appalling things a number of years ago.

00:11:01.600 And these days, as you know, something you said 20 years ago can easily come back to haunt you,

00:11:05.700 given the technology and everything else.

00:11:08.060 So I guess my question is maybe she shouldn't have been a candidate in the first place,

00:11:12.860 not given the, you know, appointed as the nominee and then later had to retrench that decision.

00:11:20.280 But, you know, Catherine, you raise an interesting point.

00:11:22.220 When it comes to the vetting of candidates, how far back do we go?

00:11:25.600 I mean, for goodness sakes, do we go back to somebody's comments in a yearbook, for example?

00:11:31.600 And that's not really an abstract example.

00:11:34.460 People were pointing out what was in Bill Mourneau's yearbook commentary.

00:11:39.420 And I'm no Bill Mourneau fan, but I wouldn't hold that again.

00:11:41.940 I mean, come on, we were all goofs in high school.

00:11:43.980 And so the idea that you said something 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago, and perhaps even in jest,

00:11:51.300 and perhaps even being an entertaining broadcaster, if you will, in the case of Andrew Lawton,

00:11:57.380 are you supposed to wear that forever?

00:12:00.780 And that, you know, kills your political career before it even begins?

00:12:04.360 Well, it's a very good question.

00:12:06.820 And it's true, it isn't fair.

00:12:08.740 But as we know, life isn't fair.

00:12:10.780 And also, as we well know, conservatives are held to a way higher standard than liberals ever have been.

00:12:17.860 And we've seen all kinds of appalling behavior over the years.

00:12:21.980 Lately, it's the whole Me Too movement.

00:12:23.720 And we've seen people in every party nailed with that.

00:12:26.640 And yet it seems when it happens to be a conservative, it occupies the headlines for a lot longer than even more egregious acts committed by, say, liberals or NDP or whoever.

00:12:36.600 So it isn't fair, but it does seem to be the way of the world.

00:12:41.180 And if you want to be elected in this day and age, I think you have to be careful.

00:12:45.080 I'm sure Andrew Lawton's coming out relatively recently was a preemptive strike because he undoubtedly realized there was some stuff on the record that wouldn't necessarily, you know, look too good.

00:12:55.400 But, yeah, it's not fair.

00:12:57.120 It's not fair, David.

00:12:58.000 But, again, in our world where we all get nitpicked to death for every little perceived slight, even if it isn't really a slight, I just think if you want to be in public office, you've got to play by the wacky rules that are there.

00:13:12.140 But, you know, and speaking of Andrew Lawton, Catherine, I mean, Andrew Lawton's a good man.

00:13:17.740 I consider him a friend.

00:13:20.300 He used to be with Rebel Media.

00:13:22.040 And yet I think in a way it was a disservice what he did when he was basically putting a blanket condemnation on comments he made over an eight-year period, subscribing it to the mental illness struggles that he was going through, which were legitimate, by the way.

00:13:39.300 But it was almost like he's giving a gift to the opposition and the media party that, hey, if you have conservative values, you know what? 0.67

00:13:47.040 These are symptoms of mental illness.

00:13:50.860 Well, frankly, given the importance of the whole mental illness issue and the priority it's been deservedly given more recently than it has in the past and by all political parties, I think they'd have a real hard time doing that. 0.58

00:14:05.860 Because they would look like hypocrites, on the one hand, saying you shouldn't be ashamed of having a bout of mental illness, on the other hand, saying it's despicable if you do.

00:14:14.840 So, but again, this is the world we live in. 0.99

00:14:17.300 And we can deny it.

00:14:18.860 We can say it's unfair.

00:14:20.300 And it is.

00:14:21.400 But to pretend it doesn't exist is foolishness.

00:14:24.860 And, again, as a conservative, you've got to know the microscope is going to be focused on you much more closely.

00:14:32.080 And I think in Doug Ford's case, I mean, what I hope, because I do believe personally, and I haven't always voted conservative, just for the record.

00:14:38.800 I've been in a few different places over the years.

00:14:42.860 But I do believe, under the current circumstances, that the Conservative Party is the best choice for Ontario.

00:14:48.400 It's not just a Doug Ford party.

00:14:50.080 Let's not forget about that.

00:14:51.480 Christine Elliott is the candidate in my riding, actually.

00:14:54.000 And I've been out canvassing with Christine a few times in the last couple of weeks.

00:14:58.060 And she's a solid, pragmatic, very lovely lady.

00:15:02.420 Has a lot of good policy ideas.

00:15:04.040 So I think, again, that, you know, people looking at this shouldn't just see it as the Doug Ford show.

00:15:10.220 They should see it as a bunch of fairly, you know, a bunch of quite experienced people and some newbies as well, naturally,

00:15:15.720 who have a pretty decent track record in opposition and deserve to be given a chance in government.

00:15:23.080 And, I mean, I don't know who you're going to vote for, David, if you say you don't think you can vote for the Conservatives.

00:15:28.460 Is there some, is there a rhino party running in Ontario?

00:15:31.640 I'm not aware of that.

00:15:32.360 Well, for the second time in my life, I might have to, indeed, decline my ballot.

00:15:37.400 But, you know, I don't think I'm the, you know, the statistical anomaly just today, Catherine.

00:15:42.060 An Ipsos poll came out, and get a load of this, 74% of Ontarians say they wish there were different party leaders than the ones currently on the ballot.

00:15:53.060 What does that tell you?

00:15:54.940 Well, I've said for some time, and by no means just pertaining to Ontario, where are the leaders in politics around the world?

00:16:04.180 I see the U.S. Obama was a fiasco.

00:16:08.060 I'm not a Trump fan, although his tax reduction policy, I think, will bear fruit for the U.S.

00:16:13.960 Around the world, we look at Mr. Thugputin electing himself, frankly, for his fourth term.

00:16:21.320 We see weak or tyrannical, or both, leaders in so many places.

00:16:27.020 And this is, you know, our political leaders are super important.

00:16:29.840 I mean, our national leader is a laughingstock in many, many ways here in Canada.

00:16:34.620 And it's a great question.

00:16:36.420 I don't know the answer to it, but why aren't really quality people coming out for politics in so many, you know, so many situations?

00:16:46.040 Maybe it just seems, perhaps it's the attacks they face by the media party, especially in this day and age where your past, every element of your past is being dredged up, and you're being crucified on it.

00:16:58.940 One last question, Catherine.

00:17:00.480 The whole, whether we're talking about Doug Ford of the Progressive Conservative Party in general, there's been so many flip-flops.

00:17:07.200 You know, Doug flip-flopped on partial development of the Greenbelt issue.

00:17:11.420 He promised grassroots nominations.

00:17:14.300 He did 11 appointees, and some of those appointees out of nepotism, and some of those appointees, hardcore liberals.

00:17:21.860 Then he got rid of Tanya Granik-Allen, and so on and so forth.

00:17:25.820 I just think that you are, of course, a fiscal conservative, but how can one believe they're going to go through with the fiscal promises?

00:17:33.920 If this is the track record, I harken back to Paul Martin, who was a pretty good finance minister, but once he became prime minister, his flip-flopping earned him the nickname Mr. Dithers.

00:17:44.860 And once you have that as a nickname, it's over.

00:17:48.120 Time will tell.

00:17:50.800 Obviously, my crystal ball is no clearer than anyone else's, but I tend to try to look at facts.

00:17:59.660 And the facts would suggest to me that a re-election of this liberal government would be a total fiasco for the province in every respect, fiscally, socially, and humanly,

00:18:09.120 because people are not thriving under the liberal government by a long stretch, except for liberal insiders, naturally.

00:18:15.720 And when I look at that NDP platform and think of other NDP governments over the years in Canada, I can't go that way either.

00:18:22.360 So I think, again, you're right, nobody's perfect.

00:18:25.400 There are flip-flops, unfortunately.

00:18:27.620 I think it's a rare person in politics that has zero flip-flops.

00:18:31.280 I certainly can't think of any.

00:18:32.560 But naturally, you would try to strive for that.

00:18:35.340 Again, I don't know how we can do any worse.

00:18:37.160 My dog isn't running at the moment, although I've tried to encourage her.

00:18:41.680 And so it's a best option among a number of imperfect ones and some horrific ones.

00:18:49.560 Well, Catherine, we'll have to wrap it there.

00:18:51.580 For now, I kind of get a vibe of 1990.

00:18:54.880 As you know, that's when the NDP went up the middle and formed the government.

00:18:58.700 And to this day, I still haven't met one person who admits to voting for the NDP in 1990.

00:19:04.040 Indeed, neither have I.

00:19:05.020 But thank you so much for weighing in.

00:19:07.340 Much appreciated.

00:19:08.960 Thank you.

00:19:09.560 Thank you.

00:19:10.140 And folks, after the break, Joe Warmington, the squarler from the Toronto Sun,

00:19:14.020 he drops by to take on the fake conservatives who are weaseling their way into this PC party.

00:19:21.520 Stay tuned.

00:19:21.960 Welcome back.

00:19:34.340 I'm David Menzies in for Ezra Levent.

00:19:36.560 Well, it's been an exciting lead up to the Ontario election, especially for the PC party.

00:19:41.860 But with all the drama, I'm not so sure with some of the candidates who got through.

00:19:48.620 Take Meredith Cartwright, for example.

00:19:51.120 She's the candidate that was appointed for Toronto Centre. 0.96

00:19:54.860 But hang on a second.

00:19:56.600 Let's rewind to 2007, where she ran against Bob Ray for a Liberal candidate in Toronto Centre.

00:20:03.900 Well, Cartwright made news for all the wrong reasons when it came out that she actually hired actors to rally at the Ontario leaders' debate on Monday.

00:20:14.840 But there's more to Cartwright's past than that.

00:20:17.720 And joining me now to discuss this is Toronto Sun columnist Joe Warmington, the squarler.

00:20:22.860 Joe.

00:20:23.740 Ezra.

00:20:24.520 Oh, wait.

00:20:25.320 If they told me Menzoid was doing a show, I wouldn't have come. 1.00

00:20:29.700 Story of my life.

00:20:30.940 I'm here.

00:20:31.720 As you know, Joe, you've been covering the leadership campaigns and as we go into the Ontario election now.

00:20:39.280 Doug Ford has said time and time and time again that unlike the dark Patrick Brown days, we would be holding to grassroots nominations.

00:20:49.560 And then last month he did 11 appointees.

00:20:52.600 I think that was the insult.

00:20:53.800 The insult to injury is that some of those appointees are there, as far as I can tell, by way of nepotism.

00:21:00.700 And some are hardcore liberals that make absolutely no sense that they're on the PC ballot.

00:21:07.360 Meredith Cartwright is Exhibit A.

00:21:09.300 What is she doing running as a PC candidate, Joe?

00:21:11.600 Well, she showed what she's doing.

00:21:13.860 And she did her first dirty trick, if you will, whether it was on purpose or not. 1.00

00:21:18.520 I mean, you know, you couldn't pay someone to do something more damning to a campaign than to go and hire people and pretend, you know, make sure everyone knows, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

00:21:29.160 This is a secret, but here it is out on social media.

00:21:31.800 So that's what she's there to do, and that's what others are there to do.

00:21:35.220 So if I interpret what you're saying, you think she's a fifth columnist then?

00:21:39.120 Well, you know, I don't know whether she is or she isn't because, you know, we don't want to end up, she's a lawyer, I think, and she has lots of lawyer friends,

00:21:46.220 and we don't want to end up spending the rest of our days having to have that name Cartwright coming in on your email.

00:21:51.660 But I will say this, that I did reach out to her and to hear her side of it, and she can certainly come on the show with you.

00:22:00.460 It would be fun because she's running with Doug Ford, but what I'm seeing so far is just either somebody that's so naive or somebody that just, you know,

00:22:10.140 I personally think someone behind it, I'm not saying her, was playing a really tricky game.

00:22:16.920 I did get to interview her outside the City TV studios on Monday, and I was astonished, actually, you know, political partner, you know, political affiliation aside, how shallow this woman was. 1.00

00:22:33.000 I mean, for example, she is a human rights lawyer, and I asked her her opinion on the human rights commissions and tribunals, and she said she had no opinion.

00:22:41.280 And I liken that to a fisherman having no opinion about fish.

00:22:44.700 You should get one of the actors to prepare some lines.

00:22:47.560 I would have had a better answer.

00:22:48.200 And then interview them about human rights.

00:22:50.280 That's pretty funny.

00:22:51.220 Yeah, I don't know what to say.

00:22:52.720 Look, she shouldn't be there.

00:22:54.320 This one's on Doug, and on Dean French, Corey T'Nike.

00:22:58.320 People like that, they know better, and they're not fooling us that, you know, they knew that she wasn't a conservative.

00:23:03.880 I mean, if only they would treat the conservatives as well as they're treating the liberals.

00:23:08.200 You know, under Patrick Brown, it was like that, and under Doug Ford, it seems to be like that.

00:23:12.360 But, and, you know, Tanya Granik-Allen will back me up on that.

00:23:16.140 Yeah, and, you know, before we get to Tanya, I mean, she has now, this is Cartwright, deleted her Twitter account, Joe, but not before we were able to save it.

00:23:27.120 And it's very revealing.

00:23:28.560 Here's one of her tweets from 2015.

00:23:30.700 Prime Minister Stephen Harper never bugged me as much as bugged most of you until FordFest last night.

00:23:37.640 So glad I never voted for him.

00:23:39.840 So it's a knock against Stephen Harper and a knock against Ford.

00:23:43.260 Then she tweets out her support for Caroline Mulroney and the PC leadership campaign.

00:23:50.440 So, in other words, one of the candidates that wanted Doug Ford's job.

00:23:54.640 And then there's various lefty tweets here, like she retweeted a tweet from Hillary Clinton trying to paint Trump as a racist, and so on.

00:24:07.140 David, she has tweets that go directly after Rob Ford, who, you know.

00:24:10.700 You pointed that out, yeah.

00:24:11.720 Yeah, and so she called him, you know, a ball of goo and different things like that.

00:24:15.700 But you mentioned Caroline Mulroney, because that's what the game is for some people, and I'm not saying for her, but for some people, is that they want Doug to fail in this election.

00:24:25.740 They want a minority government situation, and then they want Caroline Mulroney to emerge as the leader.

00:24:30.800 And that's what all this sort of fifth column stuff is.

00:24:34.120 And I'm glad to report it.

00:24:35.540 And it's not just me saying that.

00:24:36.860 I did my own research on it.

00:24:38.620 I talked to some people, including right inside of Doug Ford's camp, and he's now aware of it.

00:24:43.560 So watch out, guys, because he's on to you.

00:24:46.280 And you saw a little bit of that.

00:24:48.200 I know it's too late for you, Menzoid, because that's how it is with you. 1.00

00:24:52.980 I'm going to give him a little more time.

00:24:54.700 Doug is a good man, and we'll give him a chance to kind of catch up to this.

00:24:58.500 Don't forget, it's a daunting task to take over a mess of a party and then go on this sort of, you're the face of it.

00:25:04.640 You've got to run it, and you've got people that are kind of playing a double agent game behind your back.

00:25:10.100 It's not easy for them.

00:25:11.000 You know, Joe, I'm on the same wavelength as you, and I know a lot of detractors will say, uh-oh, here we go into conspiracy-ville.

00:25:19.920 But I'm sorry, we saw how fast this party turned on Patrick Brown.

00:25:25.000 Well, they're liberals, and it's the only way they can beat them.

00:25:27.680 I mean, I don't blame the names I mentioned before.

00:25:30.440 I mean, I don't believe that Corey and people like that are in on it.

00:25:32.760 But they have to be smarter because the liberal people that will do this, they have to do it.

00:25:38.980 And so don't forget that what's happened here, if you look at that after the first debate, what happened was that all the support that would normally go to California went where?

00:25:47.140 It went over to the NDP and Andrea Horwath.

00:25:49.760 Well, Andrea Horwath did nothing in that debate but try to get into the debate. 1.00

00:25:53.120 And yet everybody says that.

00:25:54.760 So what the plan is, and you can roll this back later, the plan is within 7 to 10 days, they're going to drop another bombshell on Doug.

00:26:02.200 It could be sooner, but in and around the sweet spot when they do it.

00:26:06.100 And then they're hoping that that will be the knockout punch.

00:26:08.960 And that support will be test-driven on Andrea, who has no real platform.

00:26:13.980 It's not realistic like, what, free manicures and pedicures and free massages.

00:26:19.400 It goes on and on and on.

00:26:20.340 I don't know what the hell she's talking about.

00:26:22.340 And then I'll go back over to Kathleen Wynne, who the media party will pump up. 1.00

00:26:26.980 And so Doug's got to really watch that if he wants to win this thing.

00:26:30.400 The last week was a disaster in terms of the flip-flop.

00:26:34.140 So when we were teasing in the newsroom calling him Fosbury, you know, for the Fosbury flop.

00:26:38.780 Now, I don't blame him for it.

00:26:40.680 I mean, he's ultimately responsible.

00:26:43.340 Yeah.

00:26:43.900 But he's on to it now.

00:26:45.680 But, I mean, a lot of stuff was happening, and luckily he's caught on.

00:26:49.780 And when you say flip-flops, for example, one of the most recent ones was the partial development of the green belt, which he did an immediate flip-flop on.

00:26:57.600 But that was a panic.

00:26:59.040 See, that was a panic.

00:26:59.780 I want to talk about that.

00:27:00.600 Do we have time to talk about green belt?

00:27:01.920 You know what?

00:27:02.220 We probably don't.

00:27:02.840 But the thing is, in addition to the flip-flops, it's the double standards.

00:27:07.220 And I want to bring this back to Tanya Granik-Allen.

00:27:09.340 Like I said, no Tanya Granik-Allen, no Doug Ford as leader of the PC party.

00:27:13.400 It's Christine Elliott, which the elites would rather have had. 1.00

00:27:17.920 You have a candidate in Carlton, as I mentioned in my monologue, Goldie Gamere, a.k.a. the Persian cat, who has stated that Stephen Harper is a national embarrassment.

00:27:28.360 Christianity is gay. 1.00

00:27:30.000 Jesus is worm food. 1.00

00:27:31.720 Where is Dean French?

00:27:33.400 Where are all the handlers that are, you know, firing certain candidates?

00:27:38.620 She is this golden child that can't be touched.

00:27:40.920 And what she said, I think, is far more insidious than what Tanya Granik-Allen said years ago.

00:27:47.140 And same with Andrew Lawton, too.

00:27:48.800 I mean, all of a sudden now we're into mental illness and we're feeling sorry for what he said.

00:27:53.440 You know, you should be allowed to say something.

00:27:55.260 I mean, I just can't wait for people to say, well, you went on The Rebel.

00:27:59.200 Well, you know, what's that going on The Rebel?

00:28:01.180 I was invited to go in the big show.

00:28:03.780 And then, you know, all these people like Jonathan Goldsby and that are tweeting out about that's the shun and shame game.

00:28:10.100 And so if you're going to cower to that or your bosses are going to cower to that, then we're going to have no freedom of speech.

00:28:15.480 And that's why Doug should have stuck up for Tanya Granik-Allen and shout down some of these people that we saw during Patrick Brown's era that really don't belong there, that are liberals or whatever.

00:28:27.700 And it's not putting them down as people.

00:28:30.180 But Tanya's a good lady and Andrew Lawton's a good lady.

00:28:33.580 I don't know who the Persian cat.

00:28:34.860 A good man, you mean, unless he's identifying or something else.

00:28:37.140 Sorry, good man.

00:28:37.680 I don't know.

00:28:38.060 But, again, that might even help.

00:28:42.360 But, you know, my point is that we've got to get real here about stuff and sort of call it for what it is.

00:28:48.980 Well, let's call it for what it is, Joe.

00:28:51.120 And how about this?

00:28:51.900 Why can't Doug Ford grow a spine?

00:28:54.460 South of the border, a recent study came out.

00:28:57.460 About 90% of the media coverage of Donald Trump is negative.

00:29:01.140 And yet what do we see?

00:29:02.540 His popularity going up.

00:29:04.220 Jobs being created on a daily basis.

00:29:06.520 Unemployment.

00:29:07.000 North Korea giving up his nuclear...

00:29:09.180 Yeah.

00:29:09.560 So, results.

00:29:10.960 Why can Donald Trump shrug off these nattering nabobs of negativity and Doug Ford or his handlers or both feel that they are beholden to appeasing these people?

00:29:22.560 And no matter how much you appease them, they're never going to be on your side.

00:29:26.700 If they win the election, then, you know, basically they're going to say that they were right.

00:29:32.120 But winning the election for me is a majority government.

00:29:35.220 Anything short of that is a loss.

00:29:37.080 Yeah.

00:29:37.680 The reason why is they don't like Doug, eh?

00:29:41.140 And, you know, the people like Michelle Lansman and people like...

00:29:44.300 Oh, they've got all the jobs.

00:29:45.460 Yeah.

00:29:45.560 The people that like Doug can't get a call back from Doug.

00:29:48.320 Yeah.

00:29:48.940 You get any calls back?

00:29:50.240 Nope.

00:29:50.640 I don't get calls back.

00:29:52.360 Ezra, I don't think so.

00:29:54.020 People who like Doug and have worked with Doug don't get calls back.

00:29:57.660 If you're a liberal or you hate Doug or you call his brother a bag of goo, you not only get a call back, but you get a nomination.

00:30:05.500 You may even get in cabinet and maybe set for life.

00:30:07.940 But so I get it, what your point is.

00:30:11.760 And that is what party politics has become.

00:30:13.760 Well, it's too bad.

00:30:14.080 And it's not right.

00:30:14.880 And he should reject it.

00:30:15.820 Because I'll tell you, last September, Doug Ford was in the studio right where you're sitting, Joe.

00:30:22.020 And after the taped interview, he looked around the studio and he said, you know what?

00:30:26.200 He says, this reminds me of the days of Sun News.

00:30:28.580 Remember we had that Ford Nation show?

00:30:30.500 How about we start that again?

00:30:32.020 I thought I was over the moon.

00:30:33.480 I told Ezra.

00:30:34.320 Ezra was delighted.

00:30:36.040 And so I was calling him every week, every two weeks, you know, we're ready to go, we're ready to go.

00:30:40.460 And finally I got the answer.

00:30:41.740 He says, well, the team, this anonymous the team is not so much into it.

00:30:48.240 You know, and that's when I saw the screw turning.

00:30:50.620 They want Melissa Cartwright, Doug.

00:30:54.320 Okay.

00:30:54.760 The whole Melissa Cartwright show.

00:30:56.040 When you're back on the show, instead of being premier, we'll roll back the tape.

00:31:01.220 Come on, man.

00:31:02.200 You want to be premier, you've got to be your own man.

00:31:05.300 And you've got to weed out whoever shouldn't be there, keep the people there, and talk directly to the people and say, look, I'm a small counselor from Ward 2.

00:31:16.440 My brother was the mayor.

00:31:18.440 We're going to go and help you.

00:31:20.420 We're not going to steal your money.

00:31:22.340 We're going to, you know, we'll get the smartest people to help you with all these different things.

00:31:26.840 But we're not going to have special interest groups running everything.

00:31:29.800 That's it.

00:31:30.420 And then he's the premier.

00:31:31.680 And we get the province straightened around.

00:31:33.380 Joe, we could go on forever.

00:31:34.380 Last question.

00:31:34.940 And I think the removal of Tanya Granite-Allen was incredibly damaging in terms of-

00:31:40.360 I hear it's up to 10%.

00:31:40.900 Well, I spoke to every social conservative on Monday outside that City TV studio was saying they're not voting PC anymore.

00:31:49.240 So I don't think I'm a statistical anomaly.

00:31:51.260 I don't know what the critical mass is.

00:31:53.660 I'm going to ask you, I know a month is an eternity in politics, and we're almost a month away from June 7th.

00:31:59.500 But what do you see happening?

00:32:01.060 I'm kind of getting a 1990 vibe of the NDP going up the middle and grabbing maybe a minority government.

00:32:06.580 What do you think?

00:32:07.020 No, because I think that they're trying to present that like they did with Mulcair in Ottawa.

00:32:12.300 He's winning.

00:32:12.980 And the plan is to take Doug out, and they'll do it internally, externally, and then have that support that was supposed to go to Andrea.

00:32:22.400 So what you're saying is they're using the critical mass of Ford Nation to get him elected, and then the knives come out later?

00:32:29.760 Is that what you're saying?

00:32:30.040 No, I'm saying that a lot of the support will go-

00:32:33.540 This is the plan they have to go back to Kathleen Wynne since, you know, Doug is really nothing more than a liberal anyway.

00:32:40.020 Plus, he's got the latest bombshell that they've dropped on him, the dirty game, the only way they can really beat him.

00:32:46.080 And then, you know, assuming that Andrea Horwath doesn't show that she can be premier, she'll have the baton for a while, and she'll be test-driven, and maybe she's good for it, like Bob Ray was.

00:32:57.920 You know, Bob Ray had been around a long time in 1990.

00:33:00.440 I remember I covered that election.

00:33:02.500 I was in the Sioux Star in those days.

00:33:04.800 And I remember, you know, people like Bob Ray a lot.

00:33:07.340 Now, people like Andrea Horwath a lot.

00:33:10.020 So you never know.

00:33:10.820 Your theory might be right.

00:33:12.040 But if you look really at the NDP, I think in light of the fact that we had the Bob Ray government, and we've been through that experiment, and Alberta and other places, BC, have been through it.

00:33:21.480 So I think that it's really, for me, I believe, is between Doug and Kathleen Wynne.

00:33:26.560 If Doug can hang on, get rid of the people that don't want him to do it, and talk directly to Ontario, he'll be the next premier.

00:33:32.300 If he doesn't, he's going to be back on this show, and maybe they'll do a Ford show right here.

00:33:37.800 Well, we're going to have to wrap it there.

00:33:38.820 All I'm going to say, Joe, is that given the economic damage these Wynne Liberals have done to this province, it makes the Bob Ray New Democrats look like fiscal conservatives.

00:33:49.800 And I'm only half joking.

00:33:50.840 But listen, thanks so much for coming in.

00:33:52.840 I just want to say it's good to be here.

00:33:55.020 And I haven't given up on Doug Ford.

00:33:56.920 I know that you have.

00:33:58.260 But there is a month of the campaign to go.

00:34:00.440 Yeah.

00:34:00.600 And don't forget that in the fullness of that month, you've got to give him a chance.

00:34:05.900 And you've got to give all the candidates a chance.

00:34:07.480 Well, didn't give a chance to Tanya Granik-Allen. 0.60

00:34:09.480 And Tanya Granik-Allen is the reason he has a chance.

00:34:13.120 And loyalty...

00:34:13.660 That's why he's Ezra Levant, right there.

00:34:15.520 That was a good comeback.

00:34:16.580 If only.

00:34:17.240 Anyways, thank you so much, Joe.

00:34:18.980 And up next, folks, who is replacing Tanya Granik-Allen?

00:34:23.400 And does she have any skeletons in her closet? 0.92

00:34:27.680 That's after the break.

00:34:28.780 Well, with Tanya Granik-Allen out as progressive conservative candidate for Mississauga Center,

00:34:45.720 who is replacing her?

00:34:47.700 That would be runner-up Natalia Kusendova, 0.98

00:34:50.860 who finished a distant second to Tanya at the nomination meeting.

00:34:54.780 But does Miss Kusendova have a skeleton in her closet, too? 0.99

00:35:00.400 Well, I interviewed Kusendova at last month's nomination meeting in Mississauga.

00:35:04.980 She's a registered nurse who supposedly brings an insider's viewpoint to Ontario's sickly health care system. 1.00

00:35:12.820 So I asked her, how would she fix our broken health care system? 0.99

00:35:16.780 Well, as a registered nurse, I see every day the overcrowding, the hallway medicine and the unacceptably long wait times in the emergency rooms.

00:35:27.040 And I think there are some solutions that a strong progressive conservative government can offer to Ontarians to solve these issues.

00:35:35.200 Those are not the standards of care we expect in our beautiful country of Canada.

00:35:39.960 You know, we are known around the world for our universal health care system.

00:35:44.640 But when we go to hospitals today, I don't, I'm not sure if that standard is reflected.

00:35:49.180 Regardless, we now seem to reside in an age in which any perceived sins of the past result in automatic disqualification in the present.

00:36:00.960 So what about Kusendova's past?

00:36:03.380 Well, here's something.

00:36:04.880 Turns out she posed scantily clad in lingerie as a Toronto Sun sunshine girl. 0.54

00:36:10.940 Now, personally, I have absolutely no problem with Natalia's pin-up girl past.

00:36:16.080 But what about those nattering nabobs of political correctness on the left?

00:36:21.600 Will we again witness Doug Ford's inner circle of advisors displaying their usual strength of linguine that's been boiled for three hours,

00:36:30.600 capitulate and toss Natalia under the bus too? 0.99

00:36:34.200 Well, we'll see.

00:36:35.580 And if you think this is a stretch, folks, consider what happened to the NDP's Peter Cormos way back in 1991

00:36:42.300 when the virus of political correctness was still in its infancy.

00:36:48.860 Cormos posed as a Toronto Sun sunshine boy.

00:36:52.060 He was fully clothed, by the way, not clad in his underwear.

00:36:57.100 Premier Bob Ray asked for his resignation.

00:36:59.780 And when Cormos refused, Ray fired him from cabinet.

00:37:03.000 Because apparently, whether you're a bimbo or a himbo, these are not values the left tends to embrace.

00:37:10.300 So when the usual suspects come calling for Kusendova's head as they manufacture yet another so-called scandal, 1.00

00:37:19.280 let's see how Doug Ford handles this file.

00:37:22.120 And to think people once said Ontario politics were boring?

00:37:27.800 Hey, with every passing day, this realm is more intriguing than an entire season of Game of Thrones.

00:37:34.920 We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - May 10, 2018

Ezra Levant Show May 9 2018

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