Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Suddenly 'dirty oil' is 'Canadian energy' as Trudeau targets Alberta in U.S. tariff war

00:00:00.080 Hello, my friends. It's really quite disheartening, but not only Justin Trudeau, who you'd expect,

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00:00:17.180 our fight with Donald Trump's terror. So Donald Trump isn't going to shut down the Alberta

00:00:22.000 oil sense, but Trudeau and the other premiers want to do that. How disheartening. You want

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00:01:55.460 Tonight, suddenly dirty Alberta oil has become Canadian energy as Trudeau tries to make Alberta

00:02:02.360 the sacrifice industry in his tariff war with America. It's January 16th and this is The Andrew LeVant Show.

00:02:09.020 He's ready for freedom! Shame on you, you censorious bug! 0.81

00:02:24.080 Oh, hi everybody. I sneaked out to the United Kingdom last night, but I didn't miss a beat. I'm back 0.93

00:02:30.020 already. I'm going to show you a video from there a little bit later and hopefully I'll have some big

00:02:36.440 news in a few days. But I came right back immediately. There's so much going on in Canada.

00:02:42.020 I don't want to miss a moment. And by the way, it feels like things are in total disarray.

00:02:46.640 The kind of calamity, the walking joke of the Liberal government is no longer an internal problem

00:02:53.560 that their MPs are worried about. It really is affecting Canada completely in one of the most grave

00:02:59.660 economic risks to our country. I'm talking about Donald Trump's promise to put tariffs on Canada

00:03:05.780 if we don't do what he said on our border. And I want to remind you what Trump asked for exactly.

00:03:13.260 I want to read it for you. The original post that he made on his own social media platform called

00:03:18.340 Truth Social. Let me read it for you. Because it's almost as if the political madness in Canada

00:03:24.840 has forgotten what Trump has asked for. Let me just read it. It's so easy to do, I would think.

00:03:31.160 Mexico seems to have done it. Here, I'll just read it for me. As everyone is aware, thousands of people

00:03:37.620 are pouring through Mexico and Canada, bringing crime and drugs at levels never seen before.

00:03:43.120 Right now, a caravan coming from Mexico composed of thousands of people seems to be unstoppable in

00:03:48.800 its quest to come through our currently open border. On January 20th, as one of my many

00:03:54.840 first executive orders, I will sign all necessary documents to charge Mexico and Canada a 25%

00:04:01.160 tariff on all products coming into the United States and its ridiculous open borders. This

00:04:06.960 tariff will remain in effect until such time as drugs, in particular fentanyl, and all illegal aliens 0.99

00:04:12.800 stop this invasion of our country. Both Mexico and Canada have the absolute right and power to easily 0.64

00:04:19.100 solve this long-simmering problem. We hereby demand that they use this power, and until such time that

00:04:24.300 they do, it is time for them to pay a very big price. All right, of course, it's got that Trump

00:04:30.020 flair and that Trump threat, some bellicosity. It is a demand, but the or else is the tariffs. Tariffs

00:04:38.040 aren't the demand. Tariffs are not the goal. It's not the purpose. It's not the rationale. They're what

00:04:44.180 Trump is threatening to do if Canada and Mexico disagree with them. And yet, for some reason,

00:04:49.460 and I think I know the reason, Trudeau and his cabinet and most of the provinces have decided

00:04:54.940 to pretty much ignore the actual demand because they're so excited about the or else because they

00:05:01.460 actually, as perverse as it sounds, want to fight a trade war with Trump. And it's sort of obvious why

00:05:07.320 Trump is unpopular in Canada for various reasons, including being universally condemned by the regime

00:05:14.260 media. And so Trudeau and his cabinet and his two potential successors, Christopher Hill and Mark

00:05:20.280 Carney, and most of the provincial premiers are really excited about having a new boogeyman to run

00:05:26.320 against, an external threat that we can demonize, someone else to blame for the bad economy.

00:05:33.280 Everyone is acting this way except for Alberta. Premier Danielle Smith has been going down to the U.S.

00:05:38.580 again and again, not just demonstrating that she is way ahead of the game in terms of border

00:05:43.160 security at the Alberta-Montana border, but to demonstrate to America that Canada is not

00:05:47.800 hostile to America and America depends on Canadian oil. She's being friendly and constructive.

00:05:54.200 As you may remember, and we interviewed her when she announced this, there are new drones and police

00:05:59.320 patrols, real things on the Alberta border. She's doing the job that Justin Trudeau won't.

00:06:05.940 But the rest of the country is practicing acting all butch. I mean, here's Melanie Jolie talking about 0.99

00:06:12.960 an energy embargo. Everything's on the table. I think that's code for she has no clue. But look

00:06:18.540 at how tough she sounds. Is your government prepared to cut off supplies of energy, for example, to the

00:06:25.480 United States? What I can tell you is everything is on the table. So Melanie Jolie is tougher on Donald

00:06:33.000 Trump than she is on Hamas. Just think about that for a moment. I'm not just blaming liberals. Here's

00:06:39.420 Doug Ford, the alleged conservative, sounding really tough, like he actually wants a battle.

00:06:45.140 We also need to learn more about where the government's retaliatory tariffs. I'm a strong

00:06:52.940 believer in retaliatory tariffs. You can't let someone hit you over the head with a sledgehammer

00:06:57.940 without hitting him back twice as hard, in my opinion. We're also eager to learn more about

00:07:04.600 other considerations that we can hit back beyond the tariffs. And lastly, we need to hear from

00:07:10.960 the federal government about how quickly and effectively the support comes to workers and

00:07:16.960 businesses through the tariffs that we receive. It's absolutely critical. We get it out to the

00:07:26.220 people as quickly as possible. If we use every tool, Canada has a lot of leverage, as you were

00:07:32.740 saying, prime minister. And again, we'll be dealing through strength, not weakness.

00:07:38.840 Doug Ford sounds like he wants a battle because he wants a battle. Did I tell you I had a Doug Ford

00:07:43.080 door-knocking team at my house on the weekend? They're going to the polls on this. They won an

00:07:49.480 election. They love the drama. So Doug Ford is not running against the liberals. He's running to save

00:07:55.940 Ontario and save all of team Canada from the evil Donald Trump. Of course, he loves the fight.

00:08:01.280 Now, 25% tariffs. You know what a tariff is. America would charge basically an import tax and

00:08:08.420 it would be paid by American customers. So the money doesn't go to Canada. The money is collected

00:08:13.160 on the goods that go into Canada. So what are these Canadian exports? We have a huge trade with

00:08:18.740 the United States. But what is it? Well, here it is. It's about a half a trillion dollars a year.

00:08:24.580 Oil and gas, by far, the number one export to the United States. $128 billion worth last year.

00:08:34.360 Cars are a substantial second place, $58 billion, but not even half as much. Other machinery is $33

00:08:41.080 billion. And then commodities, plastics, metals, and then the rest are very small by comparison.

00:08:46.360 So really, the exports are oil and gas. That's what America needs. And here's the crazy part.

00:08:53.520 Alberta is very much at risk from this, as is Ontario. Trump has publicly said he would like

00:08:58.960 to bring those automobile factories from Ontario and take them to Detroit and J.D. Vance's home

00:09:06.140 state of Ohio. There's no electoral college votes in Ontario, is there?

00:09:09.480 But why are we supporting a country, $200 billion plus a year? Our military is at their disposal.

00:09:19.380 All of these other things, they should be a state. That's why I told Trudeau when he came down,

00:09:23.980 I said, what would happen if we didn't do it? He said Canada would dissolve. Canada wouldn't be

00:09:29.340 able to function if we didn't take their 20% of our car market. You know, we, again,

00:09:34.460 they send us hundreds of thousands of cars. They make a lot of money with that. They send us a lot

00:09:40.360 of other things that we don't need. We don't need their cars. We don't need the other products. We

00:09:43.860 don't need their milk. We got a lot of milk. We got a lot of everything. And we don't need any of it.

00:09:50.420 So I said to him, well, why are we doing it? He said, I don't really know. He was unable to answer

00:09:55.240 the question, but I can answer it. We're doing it because of habit. And we're doing it because we like

00:10:00.560 our neighbors and we've been good neighbors, but we can't do it forever. And it's a tremendous

00:10:05.720 amount of money. And why should we have a $200 billion deficit and add onto that many, many

00:10:12.800 other things that we give them in terms of subsidy. And I said, that's okay to have if you're a state,

00:10:18.880 but if you're another country, we don't want to have it. We're not going to have it with European 1.00

00:10:22.320 Union either. And there's no reason other than inertia for Trump to allow the factories to

00:10:28.940 continue in Windsor. But you can't do that with oil. You can't just up and move the oil sands

00:10:35.400 to the United States. Like you can up and move a factory to the United States. The oil sands can't

00:10:41.440 move. And there's such a large source of oil. The U.S. could not find an alternative to it in any

00:10:46.940 meaningful way, certainly not within a number of years. And there are some U.S. refineries that are

00:10:52.720 only connected to Canadian oil pipelines and only can handle Canadian grades of oil. Of course,

00:10:59.340 that could change, but it would take years. And of course, the alternative, at least, again,

00:11:04.800 for the next few years, if Trump ramps up U.S. production, which he probably will,

00:11:09.020 the alternative to Canadian oil would be OPEC conflict oil or Russian conflict oil.

00:11:14.360 So it's probably not going to happen that Trump's actually going to slap tariffs on oil.

00:11:21.240 And by the way, there's smiling, friendly Danielle Smith down in Washington and down at Mar-a-Lago

00:11:26.600 trying to make sure it doesn't happen. She's advocating for her province, but she's not

00:11:33.200 threatening any other province. And of course, the, you know, what's that? 11-digit sale of oil to

00:11:41.320 America every year is a huge benefit for all of Canada. But the others are trying to throw

00:11:48.540 Alberta under the bus. Suddenly, dirty oil sands oil is now Canadian energy that Melanie Jolie and 1.00

00:11:56.480 Justin Trudeau can use as a weapon. And suddenly, the only thing the other premiers can think of

00:12:02.060 is, get this, putting a tariff on Canadian exporters ourselves, or just banning Canadian

00:12:10.420 exports altogether. As in not fixing our border to stop drugs and migrants, which is what Trump

00:12:17.240 asked for in the first place. Not even fighting tariffs with tariffs on U.S. goods coming into

00:12:22.980 Canada, but shutting down the oil sands in Canada. Donald Trump has never threatened to do that.

00:12:29.640 The worst he said is he'll put a tariff on them, which would be a terrible thing. But only our

00:12:35.260 fellow Canadians are saying, let us shut down the oil sands. Trump has not threatened that.

00:12:41.580 That threat has come from inside the house. Could you imagine if Daniel Smith had gone down to

00:12:45.780 Washington and told Donald Trump, smash the auto industry in Windsor and other remaining Canadian 1.00

00:12:51.380 car factory locations? Or in some ways worse, was telling Doug Ford that Doug Ford had to unilaterally

00:12:58.700 bear the brunt of this by shutting down his own auto industry to punish America. By the way,

00:13:04.080 it would be just as illegal for Doug Ford to shut down the auto industry in Windsor as it would be

00:13:10.000 to shut down the oil industry in Alberta. And in both cases, the companies are actually American. Do you

00:13:14.780 think Ford isn't American? Do you think Imperial Oil isn't American? So it's all crazy talk.

00:13:21.060 And remember, America can buy cars from other countries too, or from itself. That would actually

00:13:28.760 get Trump's attention if we stopped the export of Canadian cars to punish America, because in some

00:13:38.600 ways, America would love it, build some factories there. But of course, Donald Trump would come to

00:13:42.500 the aid of Ford, GM, etc. But the chutzpah, the gall, the outrageousness of everyone else in the country

00:13:50.680 offering up Alberta's oil industry as a scapegoat.

00:13:53.880 Every single premier other than Daniel Smith then chose to put Canada first and say, but we're all part

00:14:03.500 of Team Canada because what happens to any part of us happens to all of us. And we will be there to

00:14:09.440 respond strongly, to fight for Canada, and to do it in a united way that makes sure that it's fair

00:14:16.700 across all industries, across all regions. That was what we came together yesterday to do.

00:14:22.860 A sacrifice zone. It's beyond the pale. For decades, it's always been Alberta's dirty oil

00:14:28.340 that had to be stopped. Quebec didn't want that dirty oil traveling through a pipeline across its 0.92

00:14:33.760 sacred land. Now, suddenly, that oil is national property, despite that the Constitution says

00:14:39.360 it's a provincial jurisdiction. And that oil is needed as a sacrifice to save Ontario's auto

00:14:45.260 industry and whether ever other trinkets they sell to America by comparison. It's very frustrating to

00:14:51.960 see this. Now, Stephen Harper recorded a podcast the other day, and he referred to this. He referred

00:14:58.000 to the quirk of how we're selling oil to America because of Trudeau and his anti-oil friends, like his

00:15:04.540 best friend, Gerald Butts, who used to run the World Wildlife Fund in Canada. Canada is stuck selling

00:15:09.860 almost 100% of our oil to the United States because we didn't build pipelines to the open seas.

00:15:17.300 We didn't build Energy East, which would have taken oil sands oiled to New Brunswick to be refined there.

00:15:22.700 The largest refinery in Canada is in New Brunswick, and then shipped, I don't know, to Europe or wherever.

00:15:27.400 That was blocked by Trudeau, the Northern Gateway Pipeline, which would have taken oil to the West

00:15:33.700 Coast. So we really have one buyer. I don't know if you've heard the word, that's called a monopsony.

00:15:39.500 When there's one buyer and a bunch of sellers, it means you're going to have a lower than world

00:15:43.760 market price. That's the opposite of a monopoly, where you have one seller and a bunch of buyers,

00:15:49.000 where you pay more than world price. That is because Justin Trudeau blocked the pipelines,

00:15:53.960 blocked the tankers. And he had the gall to tell Germany and Japan just a year or two ago that

00:15:59.900 there's no business case to sell natural gas to them either. What a malicious idiot. Here's Harper 1.00

00:16:07.220 talking about that. Our country has an unparalleled comparative advantage in its resource base. 0.89

00:16:16.300 And we are, you know, we have energy-critical minerals, resources of all kinds. We have

00:16:23.960 probably the largest overall resource base of any country in the world, even greater than Russia

00:16:31.880 in terms of its diversity. Well, at the same time, being a rule of law, stable jurisdiction,

00:16:42.900 far removed from conflict zones. So this is a tremendous advantage of the country. Mr. Trudeau has

00:16:48.160 denied that as an advantage and in fact gone out of his way to put impediments in front of the

00:16:54.560 development of our resource industries, our mining, but especially energy. His goal has been to shut

00:17:00.640 down the oil and gas industry. He's actually been quite plain about this. So Pierre is going to reverse

00:17:06.800 those things. Canada will be back in the resources business in a big way, which is a great opportunity

00:17:13.820 for us because, well, you know, most Western countries have combinations of slow growth,

00:17:19.340 debt, inflation, bad demographics. We have the easiest exit from that because we have this

00:17:27.180 tremendous resource base that we can, and products we can sell not only in the United States, but to

00:17:32.100 growing emerging economies around the world. So that's the first thing he's going to liberate that

00:17:35.600 section of the economy. And the other thing he's going to do is start pursuing a, start reversing the

00:17:40.940 high tax agenda of the Canada. It is true that Canada presently has a modest trade surplus with

00:17:47.500 the United States. The reason Gabe, we do is because you buy so much of our oil and gas.

00:17:54.220 In fact, you buy it at a discount to world markets. It's actually Canada that subsidizes the United States

00:18:00.220 in this regard. And, um, you know, so maybe, maybe my response is maybe Canadians, if Mr. Trump feels this

00:18:08.780 way, should be looking at selling their oil and gas to other people. Um, we, uh, we certainly want, 0.98

00:18:14.540 have always wanted to do some of that. Maybe that was the time to do it. And Pierre Polly have said

00:18:18.740 something similar the other day, that the real long-term answer to this threat by Donald Trump

00:18:24.020 is to diversify where we sell our oil to. And so God forbid, if Trump actually did put tariffs

00:18:31.420 on Canadian oil, well, maybe we could sell it to India or South Korea or Japan or anyone. Here's

00:18:37.580 Pierre Polly saying that same thing. I think that the first thing that President Trump should do

00:18:43.260 when he gets into the Oval Office is to send a big bouquet of flowers to the liberal government

00:18:50.860 in Ottawa by blocking pipelines and LNG plants in Canada. The liberals have forced Canadians to sell

00:19:01.340 almost all of our energy to the United States, giving President Trump massive leverage in making

00:19:09.420 these tariff threats. Had they allowed the Energy East and Northern Gateway pipelines to go ahead,

00:19:16.940 had they rapidly approved LNG plants to sell the natural gas that Japan, Greece, Germany, and other

00:19:24.700 countries were looking for us to sell them directly, we wouldn't have to give a hundred percent,

00:19:30.380 almost a hundred percent of our hydrocarbons to the Americans at discount prices, and you wouldn't

00:19:36.380 have had to ask me that question. Because I would have answered in that scenario, I would have answered

00:19:41.420 we'll go around the Americans, we'll sell our energy directly. But that's something that the liberals

00:19:46.780 would not let us do. Freeland supported killing the Energy East pipeline, which would have moved a

00:19:53.900 million barrels of Western oil to the St. John refinery and off to Europe, by the way, which would have

00:19:59.740 helped defund Putin. Carney testified in the Industry Committee that he was against the Northern Gateway

00:20:07.020 pipeline to take Canadian oil to Asia without going through the United States, by the way, while his

00:20:13.020 company buys pipelines in the Middle East and in Brazil. How unpatriotic is that? So, frankly, the liberals have got us in this mess

00:20:23.740 by making us beholden to the Americans and giving them, the Americans, our energy at massive price discounts, 0.53

00:20:31.020 selling our oil for $15, typically below the market rate, and selling them natural gas for $4 per million metric British thermal units,

00:20:41.820 when they're going for $13 in Europe. That is economic sadomasochism. And I will put an end

00:20:49.100 to it. When I'm Prime Minister, we will repeal the anti-energy law, C-69. We will rapidly approve LNG plants

00:20:57.100 and any other private sector unsubsidized investments to expand our ability to sell our energy without going through

00:21:05.180 the Americans. And I will unite our people. We see right now that not only have the liberals weakened

00:21:11.740 our economy, now they're resorting to dividing our people. Divide and conquer. Right when the president

00:21:19.180 is threatening us with tariffs, what is the first thing the Liberal Party of Freeland and Carney think to do?

00:21:25.340 Divide Canadians. Divide our provinces. We don't need to be divided. We need to be united. All provinces.

00:21:32.860 All Canadians. Let's put Canada first. Thank you. But now we have a real split, don't we? We have the 0.88

00:21:38.940 provinces who want Trump as a foil, a bogeyman, and who want, you know, they would rather have a

00:21:45.900 trade war in which they could play the hero and fight bravely against Trump rather than just fixing

00:21:51.580 the border. That's what started this whole thing. Trump said, hey, can you fix the border? And they want

00:21:56.460 Alberta to be the sacrifice zone. Danielle Smith has said that that will cause a unity crisis. Well, of course it 0.97

00:22:02.300 will. Here's Trudeau throwing Alberta under the bus to fight for Canada, he says, except,

00:22:07.980 of course, he won't fight for Alberta. Take a look. I would actually like to point out

00:22:12.700 to Danielle Smith that Canadians know the importance of standing up for each other.

00:22:18.700 That's why Canadian taxpayers bought the Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion,

00:22:24.460 TMX to be able to get Albertan oil to new markets. That was an investment that all Canadians made that

00:22:33.660 the Alberta government is making billions of dollars off of because in what was a very difficult decision,

00:22:41.340 the federal government, we made the decision to purchase and build and complete that pipeline.

00:22:48.860 That's an example of all Canadians standing up for Alberta and getting it done.

00:22:54.940 So yes, premiers should be advocating for their own industries, their own country, their own communities,

00:23:02.060 but they should also put their country first as every single premier except Danielle Smith did.

00:23:10.700 I could point to any number of those premiers and point out lots of moments in which they have points

00:23:17.340 of disagreement with me, from Doug Ford to Scott Moe to Tim Houston to even David Eby and Wob Canu and others.

00:23:26.700 There's all sorts of disagreements we're going to have. But when push comes to shove,

00:23:31.980 every single one of them are Canadians first. And yes, they're going to look out for their communities,

00:23:36.860 but they also know that looking out for all of us is what everyone in their communities expect us to do.

00:23:44.700 And on top of that, I think it's very clear that right now, Pierre Polyev,

00:23:49.900 who wants to be prime minister for all Canadians, has a choice to make.

00:23:54.460 Either he stands up to fight for all Canadians alongside

00:23:58.300 all premiers and the federal government that are doing that,

00:24:01.660 or he chooses to stand with Danielle Smith, Kevin O'Leary, and ultimately Donald Trump.

00:24:08.140 The chutzpah of killing the Trans Mountain pipeline, that was a privately funded pipeline that Trudeau then

00:24:14.940 killed. And then he bought it and overpaid by billions to get it bailed out. It was perhaps the

00:24:22.140 stupidest decision made with taxpayers money in the history of the country. Hey, Alberta, you should be 1.00

00:24:27.660 grateful to Trudeau for building your pipeline with government money that he canceled when it was being

00:24:33.180 done by a private company. You should be grateful. And because of that, you should let Trudeau shut down

00:24:38.140 oil and gas. I mean, I tell you, I keep joking with my American friends when they talk about acquiring

00:24:43.660 Canada. I said, guys, you probably wouldn't really want Canada as a 51st state. It would be like another

00:24:49.500 California in the electoral college sense, going Democrat almost every time. I mean, good luck ever

00:24:55.580 re-electing a Republican. Do they really want Quebec with its linguistic demands? I mean, get ready for

00:25:01.020 bilingualism. Do they really want the demands of equalization from the poorer provinces? But, but,

00:25:09.340 would they want Alberta? Well, you bet they would. The most right-wing province, the province with 170

00:25:17.420 billion barrels of oil, third only to Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. The province with lots of Americans

00:25:25.500 living there now, the engine of equalization for the whole country, it's probably the most American

00:25:30.780 of the provinces. You bet they would take Alberta. Do they really want Prince Edward Island? No,

00:25:34.860 but I see the premier of Prince Edward Island is happy to throw Alberta under the bus. I think Donald

00:25:39.260 Trump was kidding about the 51st state. I think he saw it got under Justin Trudeau's skin,

00:25:44.060 so he kept saying it. But the anti-Alberta strategy taken by Trudeau, Jolie, Doug Ford,

00:25:51.420 wouldn't that be something if it actually created a separation crisis? If it actually made the 51st 0.93

00:25:59.180 state more likely? Not the whole country, but just Alberta. Let me rephrase that though. Danielle

00:26:06.220 Smith isn't a force for disunity. They're calling her every name in the book, but she's not betraying the

00:26:11.900 country by going to bat for her province at the expense of others. She's doing Trudeau's job

00:26:18.700 because he's too busy going on left-wing talk shows like Stephen Colbert or MSNBC. Danielle Smith is

00:26:24.700 doing what Trudeau won't do, what Melanie Jolie is too stupid to do. She's trying to paper over this 1.00

00:26:30.540 diplomatic hiccup. And if she succeeds, she saves Canada's biggest export, which happens to save her

00:26:37.420 province. And maybe she'll succeed at more than that. She is the force to stop disunity because

00:26:44.460 if she fails, well, if she fails, Alberta, if it's turned into a sacrifice zone by Trudeau and

00:26:51.420 the other premiers especially, well, Alberta might just then decide to become the 51st state. You know,

00:26:59.180 our Supreme Court of Canada ruled that it is legal to separate. In the United States,

00:27:05.260 they had a whole civil war over it. It's not legal there. It's legal here. Do you doubt

00:27:10.220 that if the province, one by one, the premiers of the provinces said they were going to shut down

00:27:15.740 the oil patch, that that would cause Albertans to say, we're out of here? Here's what Danielle

00:27:19.260 Smith tweeted just a few hours ago. She said, how about this for building a Team Canada approach?

00:27:25.420 Number one, stop threatening the livelihoods of tens of thousands of Albertans and Canadians

00:27:30.380 via an energy export tax or ban. Two, immediately start construction on the Northern Gateway and

00:27:36.700 Energy East pipelines to diversity, diversify our customer base to Europe, Asia, and our own country.

00:27:43.340 Three, tell Germany, Japan, and the rest of the world that there is in fact a business case for 0.93

00:27:48.060 Canadian oil and gas to be sold to them. Number four, repeal the unconstitutional and job-killing

00:27:53.660 production cap, electricity regs, and C-69. That's an anti-tanker law, if I recall.

00:28:00.860 Five, treat with respect and as an equal partner, the Alberta taxpayers that have been transferring

00:28:06.220 hundreds of billions to Quebec, the Maritimes, and even Ontario for decades. Let's start there on

00:28:12.140 building our Team Canada approach, shall we? She's so right. And you know what? That's positive.

00:28:17.740 That's a national approach, building the economy. Energy East, again, that's the pipeline that will,

00:28:23.020 from Alberta to New Brunswick. Jobs all along the way. And it would fill the largest refinery in

00:28:27.900 Canada, which right now takes OPEC oil. Can you believe it? It would build the economy. It would

00:28:32.540 build solutions here. It would deal with Trump productively by fixing border issues, but make

00:28:39.020 sure that Canada has other options. I like that plan. Everyone should, but Trudeau would rather burn

00:28:45.820 the entire house down to save face and have the last laugh at us, wouldn't he? By the way,

00:28:53.340 I'll be in Washington, D.C. on Sunday, and I've scheduled an interview with Danielle Smith. I'll be

00:28:59.020 sure to let you know when we have that published, and it'll be fascinating to see what happens in the

00:29:03.980 next few days. Stay with us. After the short break, a video I filmed while I was in the UK

00:29:10.700 last night for a few hours. That's next.

00:29:18.540 Hey guys, literally today I got an email from our cruise ship company. We are almost sold out. I don't

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00:30:14.300 Have you heard about Tommy Robinson? Do you know who I'm talking about?

00:30:16.540 Yeah, Tommy Robinson. Yeah, he's like a crypto sort of fascist guy.

00:30:19.580 Yeah, he did something against the law, so that's why he's in jail.

00:30:23.100 It's not long enough for him. He should have been jailed for longer.

00:30:25.580 He's a racist. 0.93

00:30:27.980 And should we jail people who are racist? 0.99

00:30:30.060 Yeah, if they're racist, yeah, it's illegal.

00:30:32.140 You know exactly the sort of things he hates. I'm not even going to give him the airtime,

00:30:35.420 or I'm not even going to start to list his targets, because it buys into his agenda.

00:30:41.580 I'm not trying to fight with you, I'm just trying to...

00:30:43.180 You know what I say to him and all people like him?

00:30:45.180 It's when people stop wanting to come to this country, we are really in trouble.

00:30:49.020 Should he be jailed for it?

00:30:50.060 Yeah, if he's been told off, if he's been given enough warnings.

00:30:55.100 I mean, Britain has got pretty good for free speech, if you take it on a global,

00:31:01.740 global looking at the different countries. I think we're up near the top.

00:31:06.060 I think we're up near the top of the country.

00:31:08.940 We're up near the top of the country.

00:31:09.420 Hi, it's Ezra Levant here in London, England, in Leicester Square.

00:31:12.780 I'm actually in the UK on a secret mission, but while I was here,

00:31:15.820 I thought I would go out onto the street and talk to ordinary Brits and ask them,

00:31:20.780 have you heard of Tommy Robinson? Have you heard about him being put in jail

00:31:25.020 over publishing a video that a judge told him not to do?

00:31:28.460 What's the state of freedom of speech in the UK?

00:31:30.940 Are you allowed to talk about things like immigration and grooming gangs?

00:31:35.340 Well, we talked to passers-by, and here's what they had to say.

00:31:38.780 Have you guys heard of Tommy Robinson?

00:31:40.220 No, I haven't.

00:31:42.140 What do you think of Tommy Robinson?

00:31:44.540 Not much. Personally, I don't have any rounded opinion,

00:31:46.860 because I haven't had an awful lot of time to study the evidence one way or the other.

00:31:49.580 Have you heard about Tommy Robinson?

00:31:50.940 No. Does that name ring a bell?

00:31:52.380 No. No?

00:31:53.340 Well, yeah, he's in jail because, uh, yeah, he was in contempt of court.

00:31:57.100 Yeah, Tommy Robinson, yeah, he's like a crypto sort of fascist guy.

00:32:00.300 Tommy Robinson, not that, not that guy.

00:32:02.460 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we have.

00:32:03.660 Yeah.

00:32:04.140 Does he sometimes have something good to say, even if you don't like the man?

00:32:07.260 Does he sometimes shine a light on a truth?

00:32:09.500 No, he hasn't. His is the politics of hate and prejudice, and it's as simple as that.

00:32:12.940 And who does he hate?

00:32:13.740 As simple as that. We're a, we're a, we're a really good accepting country here.

00:32:17.260 You know exactly the sort of things he hates.

00:32:18.940 I'm not even going to give him the airtime, or I'm not even going to start to list his targets,

00:32:24.780 because it buys into his agenda.

00:32:26.700 I'm not trying to fight with you, I'm just trying to...

00:32:28.300 You know what I say to him and all people like him?

00:32:30.300 It's when people stop wanting to come to this country, we are really in trouble.

00:32:34.140 Yeah? All those things they go on about that are reasons why people come here.

00:32:38.700 Well, they come here for free schools, they come here because they get education,

00:32:41.580 they come here to get a roof over their head, makes me proud of this country.

00:32:45.020 Yes, it is the sort of country you can come to, and you do get those things,

00:32:48.540 which is why people come here. And the day that stops is the day we're f***ed. 0.74

00:32:51.900 Have you heard about Tommy Robinson?

00:32:54.540 Not enough to speak on him.

00:32:56.220 Have you heard of him? You know who I'm talking about?

00:32:57.740 No, sorry.

00:32:58.780 I have, yeah.

00:32:59.340 What are your thoughts on him?

00:33:01.820 Mix.

00:33:02.700 And he's in prison now for publishing a video that the courts ordered him not to publish.

00:33:07.100 What do you think of that?

00:33:10.380 I think it's a good idea.

00:33:11.660 Why is that? Don't you believe in the British concept of free speech?

00:33:14.940 Yeah, I believe in free speech, but there's a line that has to be crossed sometimes,

00:33:20.380 and he's crossed that line.

00:33:21.660 Yeah, he did something against the law, so that's why he's in jail.

00:33:25.180 Yeah, he should be locked up, or he should be punished.

00:33:27.500 Are you worried that that's...

00:33:28.540 I think he's a troublemaker anyway.

00:33:31.340 Well, you don't get there for nothing.

00:33:34.300 It's the political climate at the moment is something that he's probably crossed the mark on.

00:33:40.060 It's not long enough for him. He should have been jailed for longer.

00:33:42.940 He's a racist. 0.93

00:33:44.940 And should we jail people who are racist? 0.99

00:33:47.020 Yeah, if they're racist, yeah, it's illegal.

00:33:49.820 I didn't know it was illegal.

00:33:51.260 Yeah, it's illegal in this country.

00:33:52.540 Well, we are in a society now, you have to be very careful what you say.

00:33:56.460 You say one thing, they don't agree, the other thing they don't agree, so...

00:34:00.780 Is there too much censorship in the UK?

00:34:02.460 I think so.

00:34:03.180 There's a lot of issues that ordinary people talk about, I think, person to person,

00:34:07.500 but they may be scared to talk about to a broader audience, like immigration or the grooming gangs.

00:34:13.260 How are those issues going to be resolved if Brits can't have full-blown conversations?

00:34:18.540 How are those things going to be solved?

00:34:20.220 They're not listening. They're definitely not listening to the public.

00:34:26.620 Maybe it's harder than we know. I don't know. I don't know what to say.

00:34:29.740 They don't want to admit what's going on because it's all political.

00:34:35.020 They're looking for votes. They don't want to upset the apple cart.

00:34:37.740 We're meant to be an equal culture, and it's not working that way.

00:34:42.060 We as whites in this country now are a minority. We're the second race. 1.00

00:34:46.620 First of all, just in the United States, when we're looking at rebel news,

00:34:50.620 we're seeing somebody that's actually talking truth to power.

00:34:53.500 Wow.

00:34:53.900 And you were talking truth to Trudeau, and you prevailed because you're still here and he's not.

00:34:59.660 They did handcuff me. It was the only time in my life of being in jail.

00:35:03.020 I don't know how you tolerate it, but the great thing is that true media, you take the punches,

00:35:08.860 you take the hits, you take the handcuffs, and you get right to it.

00:35:11.740 Well, thanks very much. It's nice to meet you.

00:35:14.460 Stay at it.

00:35:15.100 Bye, guys. Take care.

00:35:16.300 What a hoot. Meeting Rebel fans in Leicester Square in the UK.

00:35:21.020 What do you think of the state of free speech in the UK? Is it being withered away? Is it strong?

00:35:25.660 Do you believe in it?

00:35:26.540 I believe in it. I think it's still, at its core, still fundamentally there.

00:35:31.100 I think there are attacks on it from time to time, but I think everybody's just got to be

00:35:35.900 unified across all walks of life and defend it to the death because that's what we're based on.

00:35:41.260 I think freedom of speech still exists. It's when you go online, do it online and on some certain websites,

00:35:47.820 that it becomes a bit viral and it becomes, you know, a bit stupid. 1.00

00:35:54.620 It's just being stifled. 1.00

00:35:55.900 Yeah. And where's that coming from? What part of society is stifling the conversation?

00:36:00.860 The top. The top. Why do you think they're doing that?

00:36:03.740 Because they don't want to be exposed as being dictatorial, dictating to everybody.

00:36:10.220 It's just, we're no longer a democracy. We're now being dictated to. It's a dictatorship.

00:36:15.740 Not necessarily. I mean, it's getting very sort of, you haven't politically correct nowadays,

00:36:21.980 but things have changed in that respect.

00:36:23.740 But do you think people are able to talk about things like immigration?

00:36:27.180 I think so, yeah. It depends on the group of people you're with. It does vary.

00:36:32.780 Well, you can say what you want, but it's when you go online and you try to spread it online,

00:36:40.860 that it gets viral.

00:36:41.900 How is that worse than spreading it in person? Like, if you talk to 100 people in person,

00:36:46.700 how is that different than talking to 100 people online?

00:36:49.420 Because you don't see them online. You see them in person. You know that who you're talking to,

00:36:53.980 you can have a conversation with. They're good people. But online, you don't know who the hell you're talking to.

00:36:59.100 So it sounds like you're okay with a little bit of online censorship.

00:37:01.420 Yeah, definitely.

00:37:03.500 Can I challenge you? Because you just told me that people should be jailed if they're a racist.

00:37:07.420 Oh, no, that's different. You know, that's offensive. Freedom of speech is different.

00:37:11.980 Aren't you allowed to be offensive?

00:37:13.420 What you're doing at the moment is freedom. You didn't even ask me if you could film me,

00:37:17.260 but I'm allowing you to. Because I'm...

00:37:19.420 Okay, fair enough.

00:37:21.420 But aren't I allowed to hurt your feelings? I mean, I would never hurt you physically, but

00:37:26.140 can I say something that hurts your feelings? Isn't that part of free speech?

00:37:29.900 Oh, it is. But there are limits to anything, isn't there? And racism is the limit.

00:37:36.700 So even if what he says is wrong, should he be jailed for it?

00:37:39.980 Yeah, if he's been told off, if he's been given enough warnings. I mean, Britain has got pretty good

00:37:46.780 for free speech if you take it on a global, global looking at the different countries. I think we're

00:37:54.620 up near the top. Why do you think the Labour government voted against an inquiry into the rape

00:38:01.420 gang? Because exactly what I say. I believe that, unfortunately, the victims who have suffered

00:38:06.780 this are going to actually be compensated or at least something happened to them. An inquiry,

00:38:14.940 as I say, is going to say another two, three years, four years, knowing the way politics work.

00:38:19.100 Aren't we allowed to stir up a little bit of trouble in politics?

00:38:21.980 Yes, you're allowed to start a discussion. It's free speech. It is free speech.

00:38:27.340 He does incite violence, doesn't he? And he incites a lot of very bad feelings.

00:38:33.100 But feelings and violence, I don't know if he's incited violence. I don't think so. But feelings,

00:38:37.980 aren't we allowed to elicit feelings? I mean, isn't that what a passionate political speech does?

00:38:45.100 A union leader, Brexit for or against, Labour, Tory for or against. Aren't we allowed to be

00:38:50.460 passionate and to stir up passions? We are indeed, yes. But not of hatred.

00:38:57.420 Tommy Robinson has had some popularity because other politicians are afraid to talk about

00:39:03.340 immigration, grooming gangs. So it's been left to Tommy Robinson because powerful people don't

00:39:09.180 want to talk about it. The Labour government just voted against an inquiry into grooming gangs,

00:39:13.580 for example. But there was previous grooming gang inquiries, wasn't there? And it's a big debate as

00:39:17.340 to whether those grooming gang inquiries were enough or whether there needs a further grooming gang inquiry.

00:39:22.060 Are you worried about them at all? No, no. But they've used these things

00:39:25.180 as an agenda to highlight in certain communities where it has arisen or certain recent cases.

00:39:33.020 But it's, you know, the problem of pedophiles and grooming, that's across every single culture.

00:39:40.620 They're trying to make out it's coming from one place. It's not. It's not.

00:39:44.220 But in Rotherham, for example, about 100,000...

00:39:46.700 You can pick an example, then you've got...

00:39:48.380 There's a huge example, 1,400 white girls. There were white girls and most of the men were Pakistani

00:39:52.860 Muslim men. I don't know that. I don't know...

00:39:56.220 I don't know if that's true. I'm just going by the reports.

00:39:57.740 I don't know... I don't know if they...

00:39:58.780 There was a commission of inquiry. There was a government inquiry.

00:40:00.940 I don't know if they were all...

00:40:02.140 There weren't all. About 80% were Pakistani Muslim men. I'm not making that up. 0.99

00:40:06.540 I'm just reading the report. I read the...

00:40:08.220 So have you... have you been to jail? Have you seen the face of pedophiles in front of you

00:40:11.980 and what their ethnicity is? Like lone white pedophiles or pedophiles who are that... 0.99

00:40:17.340 from that country. But we can all agree that that's bad stuff. 1.00

00:40:21.740 I won't let that drag down a greater community who do a lot for this country.

00:40:27.740 I detect a bit of a Scottish brogue. And I'm from Calgary, Canada,

00:40:31.500 which is named after a place in Scotland. I love Scotland.

00:40:34.540 Now, I know you guys had a First Minister called Hamza Yosef for a while.

00:40:37.900 Yeah. But he didn't do a lot of favors for Scotland, did he?

00:40:40.540 I don't... He didn't last long.

00:40:41.580 He gave a speech once where he talked about how Scotland... 1.00

00:40:44.540 Yeah, I'm an idiot. He's an idiot. 1.00

00:40:47.420 But why are we so surprised when the most senior positions in Scotland 1.00

00:40:51.820 are filled almost exclusively by those who are white?

00:40:55.900 Take my portfolio alone. The Lord President, white. 0.99

00:41:00.140 The Lord Justice Clarke, white. Every High Court Judge, white. 0.89

00:41:04.620 The Lord Advocate, white. The Solicitor General, white. 0.54

00:41:08.220 The Chief Constable, white. Every Deputy Chief Constable, white.

00:41:12.220 Isn't that anti-white racism? 0.93

00:41:14.060 Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. If it was another... Imagine if the role was reversed.

00:41:17.100 If there was a white minister saying, 0.94

00:41:19.500 well, we've got too many black people here, we've got too many Asian people. 1.00

00:41:22.700 You have to just accept people for what they are and what they bring to the country

00:41:25.580 and what they contribute. It's not about classing people as A, B, C or D,

00:41:29.180 which was what he was doing.

00:41:30.300 Generally, when people start talking about freedom of speech, a lot of the time,

00:41:37.100 they want to offend someone.

00:41:38.540 But you've offended a number of people in your conversation with me, I'm sure.

00:41:43.180 People watching, and some people will be mad, but isn't that your right?

00:41:45.500 Well, why would you?

00:41:47.020 Well, you would offend... Because you had some very strong things to say,

00:41:50.060 and I love hearing it.

00:41:51.020 No, I'm not. I've said nothing offensive.

00:41:52.700 Well, some people might find it offensive.

00:41:54.300 This is a great country, and the sad day will be when people don't want to come here.

00:41:57.180 And I've said that these grooming gangs are not typical.

00:42:02.300 Somebody might find you offensive.

00:42:03.500 Of the communities from which they're from.

00:42:04.540 You've got so much energy, I bet occasionally you bump into someone

00:42:07.180 who doesn't like what you say. Come back.

00:42:08.700 I doubt it. You doubt it?

00:42:09.820 I've got a show.

00:42:10.220 Okay, nice to meet you.

00:42:11.580 Last question, and I thank you guys for stopping to talk to me.

00:42:14.380 Elon Musk has been using Twitter, or X as it's now called,

00:42:19.180 to talk about some of these issues, immigration, grooming gangs.

00:42:23.020 And some British politicians say he should be censored

00:42:26.620 because he's interfering in British affairs.

00:42:28.940 What are your thoughts on Elon Musk and his use of his social media platform?

00:42:32.940 I think he should stay out of English politics.

00:42:35.580 He's not wanted.

00:42:36.780 I think he's a bit over the top regardless of that.

00:42:40.700 So, yeah, I think he should interfere.

00:42:44.380 Because, I mean, there's a political approach to politics between,

00:42:47.900 especially as he's in the US government, so...

00:42:50.540 Well, that's it from Leicester Square.

00:42:56.140 If you want to learn more about Tommy Robinson, well, as you know,

00:42:59.180 Rebel News is involved in helping to crowdfund his legal defense,

00:43:02.460 ease in a number of legal battles.

00:43:04.620 To learn more, go to SaveTommy.com.

00:43:06.860 Hey guys, literally today I got an email from our cruise ship company.

00:43:28.540 We are almost sold out.

00:43:30.780 I don't know if you know this, but every year, Rebel News has a cruise.

00:43:34.140 This year we're sailing out of Vancouver, going up to Alaska.

00:43:37.500 It's fun, you bet.

00:43:38.620 But it's actually a fundraiser to keep Rebel News strong.

00:43:42.140 That's it from my point of view.

00:43:43.820 But from your point of view, holy cow, most of our Rebel talent will be on the ship,

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Rebel News Podcast - January 17, 2025

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Suddenly 'dirty oil' is 'Canadian energy' as Trudeau targets Alberta in U.S. tariff war

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