EZRA LEVANT ｜ Suddenly 'dirty oil' is 'Canadian energy' as Trudeau targets Alberta in U.S. tariff war
Summary
Trudeaude Trudeau and the rest of the premiers want to make Alberta the 51st state, and they have a plan to do so. I'll show you the details of it, and explain why it's a terrible idea.
Transcript
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Hello, my friends. It's really quite disheartening, but not only Justin Trudeau, who you'd expect,
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and Melanie Julie, who you'd expect, but most of the rest of the provincial premiers have
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declared war on Alberta by saying Alberta's industry should be shut down by Canada in
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our fight with Donald Trump's terror. So Donald Trump isn't going to shut down the Alberta
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oil sense, but Trudeau and the other premiers want to do that. How disheartening. You want
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a national unity crisis. You want to drive Alberta to become the 51st state. I couldn't
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think of a better plan. It's so gross. I'll take you through it and show you some videotape.
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Tonight, suddenly dirty Alberta oil has become Canadian energy as Trudeau tries to make Alberta
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the sacrifice industry in his tariff war with America. It's January 16th and this is The Andrew LeVant Show.
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He's ready for freedom! Shame on you, you censorious bug!
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Oh, hi everybody. I sneaked out to the United Kingdom last night, but I didn't miss a beat. I'm back
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already. I'm going to show you a video from there a little bit later and hopefully I'll have some big
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news in a few days. But I came right back immediately. There's so much going on in Canada.
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I don't want to miss a moment. And by the way, it feels like things are in total disarray.
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The kind of calamity, the walking joke of the Liberal government is no longer an internal problem
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that their MPs are worried about. It really is affecting Canada completely in one of the most grave
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economic risks to our country. I'm talking about Donald Trump's promise to put tariffs on Canada
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if we don't do what he said on our border. And I want to remind you what Trump asked for exactly.
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I want to read it for you. The original post that he made on his own social media platform called
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Truth Social. Let me read it for you. Because it's almost as if the political madness in Canada
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has forgotten what Trump has asked for. Let me just read it. It's so easy to do, I would think.
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Mexico seems to have done it. Here, I'll just read it for me. As everyone is aware, thousands of people
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are pouring through Mexico and Canada, bringing crime and drugs at levels never seen before.
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Right now, a caravan coming from Mexico composed of thousands of people seems to be unstoppable in
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its quest to come through our currently open border. On January 20th, as one of my many
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first executive orders, I will sign all necessary documents to charge Mexico and Canada a 25%
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tariff on all products coming into the United States and its ridiculous open borders. This
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tariff will remain in effect until such time as drugs, in particular fentanyl, and all illegal aliens
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stop this invasion of our country. Both Mexico and Canada have the absolute right and power to easily
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solve this long-simmering problem. We hereby demand that they use this power, and until such time that
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they do, it is time for them to pay a very big price. All right, of course, it's got that Trump
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flair and that Trump threat, some bellicosity. It is a demand, but the or else is the tariffs. Tariffs
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aren't the demand. Tariffs are not the goal. It's not the purpose. It's not the rationale. They're what
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Trump is threatening to do if Canada and Mexico disagree with them. And yet, for some reason,
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and I think I know the reason, Trudeau and his cabinet and most of the provinces have decided
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to pretty much ignore the actual demand because they're so excited about the or else because they
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actually, as perverse as it sounds, want to fight a trade war with Trump. And it's sort of obvious why
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Trump is unpopular in Canada for various reasons, including being universally condemned by the regime
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media. And so Trudeau and his cabinet and his two potential successors, Christopher Hill and Mark
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Carney, and most of the provincial premiers are really excited about having a new boogeyman to run
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against, an external threat that we can demonize, someone else to blame for the bad economy.
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Everyone is acting this way except for Alberta. Premier Danielle Smith has been going down to the U.S.
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again and again, not just demonstrating that she is way ahead of the game in terms of border
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security at the Alberta-Montana border, but to demonstrate to America that Canada is not
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hostile to America and America depends on Canadian oil. She's being friendly and constructive.
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As you may remember, and we interviewed her when she announced this, there are new drones and police
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patrols, real things on the Alberta border. She's doing the job that Justin Trudeau won't.
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But the rest of the country is practicing acting all butch. I mean, here's Melanie Jolie talking about
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an energy embargo. Everything's on the table. I think that's code for she has no clue. But look
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at how tough she sounds. Is your government prepared to cut off supplies of energy, for example, to the
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United States? What I can tell you is everything is on the table. So Melanie Jolie is tougher on Donald
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Trump than she is on Hamas. Just think about that for a moment. I'm not just blaming liberals. Here's
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Doug Ford, the alleged conservative, sounding really tough, like he actually wants a battle.
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We also need to learn more about where the government's retaliatory tariffs. I'm a strong
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believer in retaliatory tariffs. You can't let someone hit you over the head with a sledgehammer
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without hitting him back twice as hard, in my opinion. We're also eager to learn more about
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other considerations that we can hit back beyond the tariffs. And lastly, we need to hear from
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the federal government about how quickly and effectively the support comes to workers and
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businesses through the tariffs that we receive. It's absolutely critical. We get it out to the
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people as quickly as possible. If we use every tool, Canada has a lot of leverage, as you were
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saying, prime minister. And again, we'll be dealing through strength, not weakness.
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Doug Ford sounds like he wants a battle because he wants a battle. Did I tell you I had a Doug Ford
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door-knocking team at my house on the weekend? They're going to the polls on this. They won an
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election. They love the drama. So Doug Ford is not running against the liberals. He's running to save
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Ontario and save all of team Canada from the evil Donald Trump. Of course, he loves the fight.
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Now, 25% tariffs. You know what a tariff is. America would charge basically an import tax and
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it would be paid by American customers. So the money doesn't go to Canada. The money is collected
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on the goods that go into Canada. So what are these Canadian exports? We have a huge trade with
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the United States. But what is it? Well, here it is. It's about a half a trillion dollars a year.
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Oil and gas, by far, the number one export to the United States. $128 billion worth last year.
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Cars are a substantial second place, $58 billion, but not even half as much. Other machinery is $33
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billion. And then commodities, plastics, metals, and then the rest are very small by comparison.
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So really, the exports are oil and gas. That's what America needs. And here's the crazy part.
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Alberta is very much at risk from this, as is Ontario. Trump has publicly said he would like
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to bring those automobile factories from Ontario and take them to Detroit and J.D. Vance's home
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state of Ohio. There's no electoral college votes in Ontario, is there?
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But why are we supporting a country, $200 billion plus a year? Our military is at their disposal.
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All of these other things, they should be a state. That's why I told Trudeau when he came down,
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I said, what would happen if we didn't do it? He said Canada would dissolve. Canada wouldn't be
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able to function if we didn't take their 20% of our car market. You know, we, again,
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they send us hundreds of thousands of cars. They make a lot of money with that. They send us a lot
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of other things that we don't need. We don't need their cars. We don't need the other products. We
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don't need their milk. We got a lot of milk. We got a lot of everything. And we don't need any of it.
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So I said to him, well, why are we doing it? He said, I don't really know. He was unable to answer
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the question, but I can answer it. We're doing it because of habit. And we're doing it because we like
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our neighbors and we've been good neighbors, but we can't do it forever. And it's a tremendous
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amount of money. And why should we have a $200 billion deficit and add onto that many, many
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other things that we give them in terms of subsidy. And I said, that's okay to have if you're a state,
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but if you're another country, we don't want to have it. We're not going to have it with European
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Union either. And there's no reason other than inertia for Trump to allow the factories to
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continue in Windsor. But you can't do that with oil. You can't just up and move the oil sands
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to the United States. Like you can up and move a factory to the United States. The oil sands can't
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move. And there's such a large source of oil. The U.S. could not find an alternative to it in any
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meaningful way, certainly not within a number of years. And there are some U.S. refineries that are
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only connected to Canadian oil pipelines and only can handle Canadian grades of oil. Of course,
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that could change, but it would take years. And of course, the alternative, at least, again,
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for the next few years, if Trump ramps up U.S. production, which he probably will,
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the alternative to Canadian oil would be OPEC conflict oil or Russian conflict oil.
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So it's probably not going to happen that Trump's actually going to slap tariffs on oil.
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And by the way, there's smiling, friendly Danielle Smith down in Washington and down at Mar-a-Lago
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trying to make sure it doesn't happen. She's advocating for her province, but she's not
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threatening any other province. And of course, the, you know, what's that? 11-digit sale of oil to
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America every year is a huge benefit for all of Canada. But the others are trying to throw
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Alberta under the bus. Suddenly, dirty oil sands oil is now Canadian energy that Melanie Jolie and
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Justin Trudeau can use as a weapon. And suddenly, the only thing the other premiers can think of
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is, get this, putting a tariff on Canadian exporters ourselves, or just banning Canadian
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exports altogether. As in not fixing our border to stop drugs and migrants, which is what Trump
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asked for in the first place. Not even fighting tariffs with tariffs on U.S. goods coming into
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Canada, but shutting down the oil sands in Canada. Donald Trump has never threatened to do that.
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The worst he said is he'll put a tariff on them, which would be a terrible thing. But only our
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fellow Canadians are saying, let us shut down the oil sands. Trump has not threatened that.
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That threat has come from inside the house. Could you imagine if Daniel Smith had gone down to
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Washington and told Donald Trump, smash the auto industry in Windsor and other remaining Canadian
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car factory locations? Or in some ways worse, was telling Doug Ford that Doug Ford had to unilaterally
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bear the brunt of this by shutting down his own auto industry to punish America. By the way,
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it would be just as illegal for Doug Ford to shut down the auto industry in Windsor as it would be
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to shut down the oil industry in Alberta. And in both cases, the companies are actually American. Do you
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think Ford isn't American? Do you think Imperial Oil isn't American? So it's all crazy talk.
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And remember, America can buy cars from other countries too, or from itself. That would actually
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get Trump's attention if we stopped the export of Canadian cars to punish America, because in some
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ways, America would love it, build some factories there. But of course, Donald Trump would come to
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the aid of Ford, GM, etc. But the chutzpah, the gall, the outrageousness of everyone else in the country
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offering up Alberta's oil industry as a scapegoat.
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Every single premier other than Daniel Smith then chose to put Canada first and say, but we're all part
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of Team Canada because what happens to any part of us happens to all of us. And we will be there to
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respond strongly, to fight for Canada, and to do it in a united way that makes sure that it's fair
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across all industries, across all regions. That was what we came together yesterday to do.
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A sacrifice zone. It's beyond the pale. For decades, it's always been Alberta's dirty oil
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that had to be stopped. Quebec didn't want that dirty oil traveling through a pipeline across its
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sacred land. Now, suddenly, that oil is national property, despite that the Constitution says
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it's a provincial jurisdiction. And that oil is needed as a sacrifice to save Ontario's auto
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industry and whether ever other trinkets they sell to America by comparison. It's very frustrating to
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see this. Now, Stephen Harper recorded a podcast the other day, and he referred to this. He referred
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to the quirk of how we're selling oil to America because of Trudeau and his anti-oil friends, like his
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best friend, Gerald Butts, who used to run the World Wildlife Fund in Canada. Canada is stuck selling
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almost 100% of our oil to the United States because we didn't build pipelines to the open seas.
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We didn't build Energy East, which would have taken oil sands oiled to New Brunswick to be refined there.
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The largest refinery in Canada is in New Brunswick, and then shipped, I don't know, to Europe or wherever.
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That was blocked by Trudeau, the Northern Gateway Pipeline, which would have taken oil to the West
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Coast. So we really have one buyer. I don't know if you've heard the word, that's called a monopsony.
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When there's one buyer and a bunch of sellers, it means you're going to have a lower than world
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market price. That's the opposite of a monopoly, where you have one seller and a bunch of buyers,
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where you pay more than world price. That is because Justin Trudeau blocked the pipelines,
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blocked the tankers. And he had the gall to tell Germany and Japan just a year or two ago that
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there's no business case to sell natural gas to them either. What a malicious idiot. Here's Harper
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talking about that. Our country has an unparalleled comparative advantage in its resource base.
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And we are, you know, we have energy-critical minerals, resources of all kinds. We have
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probably the largest overall resource base of any country in the world, even greater than Russia
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in terms of its diversity. Well, at the same time, being a rule of law, stable jurisdiction,
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far removed from conflict zones. So this is a tremendous advantage of the country. Mr. Trudeau has
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denied that as an advantage and in fact gone out of his way to put impediments in front of the
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development of our resource industries, our mining, but especially energy. His goal has been to shut
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down the oil and gas industry. He's actually been quite plain about this. So Pierre is going to reverse
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those things. Canada will be back in the resources business in a big way, which is a great opportunity
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for us because, well, you know, most Western countries have combinations of slow growth,
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debt, inflation, bad demographics. We have the easiest exit from that because we have this
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tremendous resource base that we can, and products we can sell not only in the United States, but to
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growing emerging economies around the world. So that's the first thing he's going to liberate that
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section of the economy. And the other thing he's going to do is start pursuing a, start reversing the
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high tax agenda of the Canada. It is true that Canada presently has a modest trade surplus with
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the United States. The reason Gabe, we do is because you buy so much of our oil and gas.
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In fact, you buy it at a discount to world markets. It's actually Canada that subsidizes the United States
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in this regard. And, um, you know, so maybe, maybe my response is maybe Canadians, if Mr. Trump feels this
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way, should be looking at selling their oil and gas to other people. Um, we, uh, we certainly want,
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have always wanted to do some of that. Maybe that was the time to do it. And Pierre Polly have said
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something similar the other day, that the real long-term answer to this threat by Donald Trump
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is to diversify where we sell our oil to. And so God forbid, if Trump actually did put tariffs
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on Canadian oil, well, maybe we could sell it to India or South Korea or Japan or anyone. Here's
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Pierre Polly saying that same thing. I think that the first thing that President Trump should do
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when he gets into the Oval Office is to send a big bouquet of flowers to the liberal government
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in Ottawa by blocking pipelines and LNG plants in Canada. The liberals have forced Canadians to sell
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almost all of our energy to the United States, giving President Trump massive leverage in making
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these tariff threats. Had they allowed the Energy East and Northern Gateway pipelines to go ahead,
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had they rapidly approved LNG plants to sell the natural gas that Japan, Greece, Germany, and other
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countries were looking for us to sell them directly, we wouldn't have to give a hundred percent,
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almost a hundred percent of our hydrocarbons to the Americans at discount prices, and you wouldn't
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have had to ask me that question. Because I would have answered in that scenario, I would have answered
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we'll go around the Americans, we'll sell our energy directly. But that's something that the liberals
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would not let us do. Freeland supported killing the Energy East pipeline, which would have moved a
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million barrels of Western oil to the St. John refinery and off to Europe, by the way, which would have
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helped defund Putin. Carney testified in the Industry Committee that he was against the Northern Gateway
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pipeline to take Canadian oil to Asia without going through the United States, by the way, while his
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company buys pipelines in the Middle East and in Brazil. How unpatriotic is that? So, frankly, the liberals have got us in this mess
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by making us beholden to the Americans and giving them, the Americans, our energy at massive price discounts,
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selling our oil for $15, typically below the market rate, and selling them natural gas for $4 per million metric British thermal units,
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when they're going for $13 in Europe. That is economic sadomasochism. And I will put an end
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to it. When I'm Prime Minister, we will repeal the anti-energy law, C-69. We will rapidly approve LNG plants
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and any other private sector unsubsidized investments to expand our ability to sell our energy without going through
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the Americans. And I will unite our people. We see right now that not only have the liberals weakened
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our economy, now they're resorting to dividing our people. Divide and conquer. Right when the president
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is threatening us with tariffs, what is the first thing the Liberal Party of Freeland and Carney think to do?
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Divide Canadians. Divide our provinces. We don't need to be divided. We need to be united. All provinces.
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All Canadians. Let's put Canada first. Thank you. But now we have a real split, don't we? We have the
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provinces who want Trump as a foil, a bogeyman, and who want, you know, they would rather have a
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trade war in which they could play the hero and fight bravely against Trump rather than just fixing
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the border. That's what started this whole thing. Trump said, hey, can you fix the border? And they want
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Alberta to be the sacrifice zone. Danielle Smith has said that that will cause a unity crisis. Well, of course it
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will. Here's Trudeau throwing Alberta under the bus to fight for Canada, he says, except,
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of course, he won't fight for Alberta. Take a look. I would actually like to point out
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to Danielle Smith that Canadians know the importance of standing up for each other.
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That's why Canadian taxpayers bought the Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion,
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TMX to be able to get Albertan oil to new markets. That was an investment that all Canadians made that
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the Alberta government is making billions of dollars off of because in what was a very difficult decision,
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the federal government, we made the decision to purchase and build and complete that pipeline.
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That's an example of all Canadians standing up for Alberta and getting it done.
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So yes, premiers should be advocating for their own industries, their own country, their own communities,
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but they should also put their country first as every single premier except Danielle Smith did.
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I could point to any number of those premiers and point out lots of moments in which they have points
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of disagreement with me, from Doug Ford to Scott Moe to Tim Houston to even David Eby and Wob Canu and others.
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There's all sorts of disagreements we're going to have. But when push comes to shove,
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every single one of them are Canadians first. And yes, they're going to look out for their communities,
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but they also know that looking out for all of us is what everyone in their communities expect us to do.
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And on top of that, I think it's very clear that right now, Pierre Polyev,
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who wants to be prime minister for all Canadians, has a choice to make.
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Either he stands up to fight for all Canadians alongside
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all premiers and the federal government that are doing that,
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or he chooses to stand with Danielle Smith, Kevin O'Leary, and ultimately Donald Trump.
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The chutzpah of killing the Trans Mountain pipeline, that was a privately funded pipeline that Trudeau then
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killed. And then he bought it and overpaid by billions to get it bailed out. It was perhaps the
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stupidest decision made with taxpayers money in the history of the country. Hey, Alberta, you should be
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grateful to Trudeau for building your pipeline with government money that he canceled when it was being
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done by a private company. You should be grateful. And because of that, you should let Trudeau shut down
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oil and gas. I mean, I tell you, I keep joking with my American friends when they talk about acquiring
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Canada. I said, guys, you probably wouldn't really want Canada as a 51st state. It would be like another
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California in the electoral college sense, going Democrat almost every time. I mean, good luck ever
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re-electing a Republican. Do they really want Quebec with its linguistic demands? I mean, get ready for
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bilingualism. Do they really want the demands of equalization from the poorer provinces? But, but,
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would they want Alberta? Well, you bet they would. The most right-wing province, the province with 170
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billion barrels of oil, third only to Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. The province with lots of Americans
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living there now, the engine of equalization for the whole country, it's probably the most American
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of the provinces. You bet they would take Alberta. Do they really want Prince Edward Island? No,
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but I see the premier of Prince Edward Island is happy to throw Alberta under the bus. I think Donald
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Trump was kidding about the 51st state. I think he saw it got under Justin Trudeau's skin,
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so he kept saying it. But the anti-Alberta strategy taken by Trudeau, Jolie, Doug Ford,
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wouldn't that be something if it actually created a separation crisis? If it actually made the 51st
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state more likely? Not the whole country, but just Alberta. Let me rephrase that though. Danielle
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Smith isn't a force for disunity. They're calling her every name in the book, but she's not betraying the
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country by going to bat for her province at the expense of others. She's doing Trudeau's job
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because he's too busy going on left-wing talk shows like Stephen Colbert or MSNBC. Danielle Smith is
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doing what Trudeau won't do, what Melanie Jolie is too stupid to do. She's trying to paper over this
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diplomatic hiccup. And if she succeeds, she saves Canada's biggest export, which happens to save her
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province. And maybe she'll succeed at more than that. She is the force to stop disunity because
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if she fails, well, if she fails, Alberta, if it's turned into a sacrifice zone by Trudeau and
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the other premiers especially, well, Alberta might just then decide to become the 51st state. You know,
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our Supreme Court of Canada ruled that it is legal to separate. In the United States,
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they had a whole civil war over it. It's not legal there. It's legal here. Do you doubt
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that if the province, one by one, the premiers of the provinces said they were going to shut down
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the oil patch, that that would cause Albertans to say, we're out of here? Here's what Danielle
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Smith tweeted just a few hours ago. She said, how about this for building a Team Canada approach?
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Number one, stop threatening the livelihoods of tens of thousands of Albertans and Canadians
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via an energy export tax or ban. Two, immediately start construction on the Northern Gateway and
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Energy East pipelines to diversity, diversify our customer base to Europe, Asia, and our own country.
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Three, tell Germany, Japan, and the rest of the world that there is in fact a business case for
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Canadian oil and gas to be sold to them. Number four, repeal the unconstitutional and job-killing
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production cap, electricity regs, and C-69. That's an anti-tanker law, if I recall.
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Five, treat with respect and as an equal partner, the Alberta taxpayers that have been transferring
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hundreds of billions to Quebec, the Maritimes, and even Ontario for decades. Let's start there on
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building our Team Canada approach, shall we? She's so right. And you know what? That's positive.
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That's a national approach, building the economy. Energy East, again, that's the pipeline that will,
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from Alberta to New Brunswick. Jobs all along the way. And it would fill the largest refinery in
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Canada, which right now takes OPEC oil. Can you believe it? It would build the economy. It would
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build solutions here. It would deal with Trump productively by fixing border issues, but make
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sure that Canada has other options. I like that plan. Everyone should, but Trudeau would rather burn
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the entire house down to save face and have the last laugh at us, wouldn't he? By the way,
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I'll be in Washington, D.C. on Sunday, and I've scheduled an interview with Danielle Smith. I'll be
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sure to let you know when we have that published, and it'll be fascinating to see what happens in the
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next few days. Stay with us. After the short break, a video I filmed while I was in the UK
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00:30:14.300
Have you heard about Tommy Robinson? Do you know who I'm talking about?
00:30:16.540
Yeah, Tommy Robinson. Yeah, he's like a crypto sort of fascist guy.
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Yeah, he did something against the law, so that's why he's in jail.
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It's not long enough for him. He should have been jailed for longer.
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You know exactly the sort of things he hates. I'm not even going to give him the airtime,
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or I'm not even going to start to list his targets, because it buys into his agenda.
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I'm not trying to fight with you, I'm just trying to...
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You know what I say to him and all people like him?
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It's when people stop wanting to come to this country, we are really in trouble.
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Yeah, if he's been told off, if he's been given enough warnings.
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I mean, Britain has got pretty good for free speech, if you take it on a global,
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global looking at the different countries. I think we're up near the top.
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Hi, it's Ezra Levant here in London, England, in Leicester Square.
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I'm actually in the UK on a secret mission, but while I was here,
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I thought I would go out onto the street and talk to ordinary Brits and ask them,
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have you heard of Tommy Robinson? Have you heard about him being put in jail
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over publishing a video that a judge told him not to do?
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What's the state of freedom of speech in the UK?
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Are you allowed to talk about things like immigration and grooming gangs?
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Well, we talked to passers-by, and here's what they had to say.
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Not much. Personally, I don't have any rounded opinion,
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because I haven't had an awful lot of time to study the evidence one way or the other.
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Well, yeah, he's in jail because, uh, yeah, he was in contempt of court.
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Yeah, Tommy Robinson, yeah, he's like a crypto sort of fascist guy.
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Does he sometimes have something good to say, even if you don't like the man?
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No, he hasn't. His is the politics of hate and prejudice, and it's as simple as that.
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As simple as that. We're a, we're a, we're a really good accepting country here.
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I'm not even going to give him the airtime, or I'm not even going to start to list his targets,
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I'm not trying to fight with you, I'm just trying to...
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You know what I say to him and all people like him?
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It's when people stop wanting to come to this country, we are really in trouble.
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Yeah? All those things they go on about that are reasons why people come here.
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Well, they come here for free schools, they come here because they get education,
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they come here to get a roof over their head, makes me proud of this country.
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Yes, it is the sort of country you can come to, and you do get those things,
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which is why people come here. And the day that stops is the day we're f***ed.
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Have you heard of him? You know who I'm talking about?
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And he's in prison now for publishing a video that the courts ordered him not to publish.
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Why is that? Don't you believe in the British concept of free speech?
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Yeah, I believe in free speech, but there's a line that has to be crossed sometimes,
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Yeah, he did something against the law, so that's why he's in jail.
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Yeah, he should be locked up, or he should be punished.
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It's the political climate at the moment is something that he's probably crossed the mark on.
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It's not long enough for him. He should have been jailed for longer.
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Well, we are in a society now, you have to be very careful what you say.
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You say one thing, they don't agree, the other thing they don't agree, so...
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There's a lot of issues that ordinary people talk about, I think, person to person,
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but they may be scared to talk about to a broader audience, like immigration or the grooming gangs.
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How are those issues going to be resolved if Brits can't have full-blown conversations?
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They're not listening. They're definitely not listening to the public.
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Maybe it's harder than we know. I don't know. I don't know what to say.
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They don't want to admit what's going on because it's all political.
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They're looking for votes. They don't want to upset the apple cart.
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We're meant to be an equal culture, and it's not working that way.
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We as whites in this country now are a minority. We're the second race.
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First of all, just in the United States, when we're looking at rebel news,
00:34:50.620
we're seeing somebody that's actually talking truth to power.
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And you were talking truth to Trudeau, and you prevailed because you're still here and he's not.
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They did handcuff me. It was the only time in my life of being in jail.
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I don't know how you tolerate it, but the great thing is that true media, you take the punches,
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you take the hits, you take the handcuffs, and you get right to it.
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What a hoot. Meeting Rebel fans in Leicester Square in the UK.
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What do you think of the state of free speech in the UK? Is it being withered away? Is it strong?
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I believe in it. I think it's still, at its core, still fundamentally there.
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I think there are attacks on it from time to time, but I think everybody's just got to be
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unified across all walks of life and defend it to the death because that's what we're based on.
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I think freedom of speech still exists. It's when you go online, do it online and on some certain websites,
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that it becomes a bit viral and it becomes, you know, a bit stupid.
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Yeah. And where's that coming from? What part of society is stifling the conversation?
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The top. The top. Why do you think they're doing that?
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Because they don't want to be exposed as being dictatorial, dictating to everybody.
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It's just, we're no longer a democracy. We're now being dictated to. It's a dictatorship.
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Not necessarily. I mean, it's getting very sort of, you haven't politically correct nowadays,
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But do you think people are able to talk about things like immigration?
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I think so, yeah. It depends on the group of people you're with. It does vary.
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Well, you can say what you want, but it's when you go online and you try to spread it online,
00:36:41.900
How is that worse than spreading it in person? Like, if you talk to 100 people in person,
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how is that different than talking to 100 people online?
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Because you don't see them online. You see them in person. You know that who you're talking to,
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you can have a conversation with. They're good people. But online, you don't know who the hell you're talking to.
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So it sounds like you're okay with a little bit of online censorship.
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Can I challenge you? Because you just told me that people should be jailed if they're a racist.
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Oh, no, that's different. You know, that's offensive. Freedom of speech is different.
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What you're doing at the moment is freedom. You didn't even ask me if you could film me,
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But aren't I allowed to hurt your feelings? I mean, I would never hurt you physically, but
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can I say something that hurts your feelings? Isn't that part of free speech?
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Oh, it is. But there are limits to anything, isn't there? And racism is the limit.
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So even if what he says is wrong, should he be jailed for it?
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Yeah, if he's been told off, if he's been given enough warnings. I mean, Britain has got pretty good
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for free speech if you take it on a global, global looking at the different countries. I think we're
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up near the top. Why do you think the Labour government voted against an inquiry into the rape
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gang? Because exactly what I say. I believe that, unfortunately, the victims who have suffered
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this are going to actually be compensated or at least something happened to them. An inquiry,
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as I say, is going to say another two, three years, four years, knowing the way politics work.
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Aren't we allowed to stir up a little bit of trouble in politics?
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Yes, you're allowed to start a discussion. It's free speech. It is free speech.
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He does incite violence, doesn't he? And he incites a lot of very bad feelings.
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But feelings and violence, I don't know if he's incited violence. I don't think so. But feelings,
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aren't we allowed to elicit feelings? I mean, isn't that what a passionate political speech does?
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A union leader, Brexit for or against, Labour, Tory for or against. Aren't we allowed to be
00:38:50.460
passionate and to stir up passions? We are indeed, yes. But not of hatred.
00:38:57.420
Tommy Robinson has had some popularity because other politicians are afraid to talk about
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immigration, grooming gangs. So it's been left to Tommy Robinson because powerful people don't
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want to talk about it. The Labour government just voted against an inquiry into grooming gangs,
00:39:13.580
for example. But there was previous grooming gang inquiries, wasn't there? And it's a big debate as
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to whether those grooming gang inquiries were enough or whether there needs a further grooming gang inquiry.
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Are you worried about them at all? No, no. But they've used these things
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as an agenda to highlight in certain communities where it has arisen or certain recent cases.
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But it's, you know, the problem of pedophiles and grooming, that's across every single culture.
00:39:40.620
They're trying to make out it's coming from one place. It's not. It's not.
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But in Rotherham, for example, about 100,000...
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There's a huge example, 1,400 white girls. There were white girls and most of the men were Pakistani
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I don't know if that's true. I'm just going by the reports.
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There was a commission of inquiry. There was a government inquiry.
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There weren't all. About 80% were Pakistani Muslim men. I'm not making that up.
00:40:08.220
So have you... have you been to jail? Have you seen the face of pedophiles in front of you
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and what their ethnicity is? Like lone white pedophiles or pedophiles who are that...
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from that country. But we can all agree that that's bad stuff.
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I won't let that drag down a greater community who do a lot for this country.
00:40:27.740
I detect a bit of a Scottish brogue. And I'm from Calgary, Canada,
00:40:31.500
which is named after a place in Scotland. I love Scotland.
00:40:34.540
Now, I know you guys had a First Minister called Hamza Yosef for a while.
00:40:37.900
Yeah. But he didn't do a lot of favors for Scotland, did he?
00:40:41.580
He gave a speech once where he talked about how Scotland...
00:40:47.420
But why are we so surprised when the most senior positions in Scotland
00:40:51.820
are filled almost exclusively by those who are white?
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Take my portfolio alone. The Lord President, white.
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The Lord Justice Clarke, white. Every High Court Judge, white.
00:41:04.620
The Lord Advocate, white. The Solicitor General, white.
00:41:08.220
The Chief Constable, white. Every Deputy Chief Constable, white.
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Yeah, it is. Yeah, it is. If it was another... Imagine if the role was reversed.
00:41:19.500
well, we've got too many black people here, we've got too many Asian people.
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You have to just accept people for what they are and what they bring to the country
00:41:25.580
and what they contribute. It's not about classing people as A, B, C or D,
00:41:30.300
Generally, when people start talking about freedom of speech, a lot of the time,
00:41:38.540
But you've offended a number of people in your conversation with me, I'm sure.
00:41:43.180
People watching, and some people will be mad, but isn't that your right?
00:41:47.020
Well, you would offend... Because you had some very strong things to say,
00:41:54.300
This is a great country, and the sad day will be when people don't want to come here.
00:41:57.180
And I've said that these grooming gangs are not typical.
00:42:04.540
You've got so much energy, I bet occasionally you bump into someone
00:42:11.580
Last question, and I thank you guys for stopping to talk to me.
00:42:14.380
Elon Musk has been using Twitter, or X as it's now called,
00:42:19.180
to talk about some of these issues, immigration, grooming gangs.
00:42:23.020
And some British politicians say he should be censored
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What are your thoughts on Elon Musk and his use of his social media platform?
00:42:32.940
I think he should stay out of English politics.
00:42:36.780
I think he's a bit over the top regardless of that.
00:42:44.380
Because, I mean, there's a political approach to politics between,
00:42:56.140
If you want to learn more about Tommy Robinson, well, as you know,
00:42:59.180
Rebel News is involved in helping to crowdfund his legal defense,
00:43:06.860
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00:43:30.780
I don't know if you know this, but every year, Rebel News has a cruise.
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This year we're sailing out of Vancouver, going up to Alaska.
00:43:38.620
But it's actually a fundraiser to keep Rebel News strong.
00:43:43.820
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00:43:49.020
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00:43:57.740
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00:44:05.740
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00:44:11.340
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