Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ Surviving the politicized pandemic： An interview with Dr Robert Malone

00:00:00.320 Hello, my Rebels. Today, a very special interview with Dr. Robert Malone, MD, one of the innovators,

00:00:07.360 the early researchers behind mRNA technology who became a dissident voice during the lockdowns,

00:00:15.060 both on the issue of the virus itself and the vaccine response to it. What an incredible

00:00:19.320 man. And we have such a deep talk today about everything from Event 201 to who exactly is

00:00:26.000 financing the Wuhan Institute of Virology. I think you will be riveted by every word this man has to

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00:01:06.420 without further ado, here's my interview with Dr. Malone.

00:01:25.760 Tonight, a very special interview with a very special person. We spend some time

00:01:30.940 with Dr. Robert Malone, MD, the developer of mRNA technology. It's March 23rd, and this is the

00:01:38.460 Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:42.360 Shame on you, you sensorious bug. 0.99

00:01:54.340 Hello, my friends. You're about to hear one of the most amazing guests that I've ever had on

00:02:00.760 this show. I was riveted by it. I hung on his every word. I'll introduce him in a moment,

00:02:06.860 but first I want to explain we connected to our guest with Starlink internet technology. We have

00:02:13.380 regular internet here that was working fine, but his is via Starlink, and he explained to me after

00:02:18.340 the interview that sometimes the signal drops, so there will be some moments where his video freezes

00:02:23.620 and where his audio drops. But I encourage you to stay with this interview because you will hear

00:02:28.940 things that you have never heard before. All right, here's today's program.

00:02:37.520 I've never seen the word disinformation and misinformation weaponized as much as I have

00:02:43.860 during the pandemic, not just for skepticism regarding the lockdowns, but for questions about

00:02:48.980 the virus itself and the vaccines that were proposed as a response to them. However, it's tough to call

00:02:56.580 one of the innovators, the creators of mRNA technology, tough to call such a man when he has

00:03:04.180 a master's in science and a medical degree, tough to call him a disinformation man. Of course, he knows

00:03:11.040 more in his little finger than the entire press corps does combined, but that's what they try to say and do

00:03:16.560 to Dr. Robert Malone. Now, longtime viewers of Rebel News will have followed Dr. Malone's

00:03:23.040 passionate exhortations and attempts to teach the public what the political class would not hear

00:03:30.160 about the virus and about the vaccines. He has emerged vindicated in so many ways. In fact, he just returned

00:03:38.560 from Austin, Texas, where he was testifying before that state Senate, giving them advice on how to

00:03:45.840 shape public policy so that the crisis of the last few years doesn't happen again. We are delighted

00:03:52.160 to spend the course of the next half hour with Dr. Robert Malone. Dr. Malone, thanks very much for

00:03:57.520 joining us. It's a pleasure to meet you. I know you've met and dealt with other Rebel News staff, but it's

00:04:03.040 nice to have you on my show. I appreciate that. Thank you, Ezra. Thanks for having me on and for the

00:04:09.520 chance to talk. Well, it's my pleasure. Now, let's reintroduce you a little bit for guests who may not

00:04:15.920 know you. Tell us, in a nutshell, how you came to know mRNA technology. That's a word a lot of people

00:04:23.600 know now, but three years ago, I don't think one in a thousand people have ever heard that. Can you sum up

00:04:29.680 what mRNA technology is and would you say that it's inherently hopeful, a technology? What was your

00:04:37.120 point of view when you were helping to develop it? So this goes back to my graduate school days

00:04:43.360 at the Salk Institute in the Laboratory of Molecular Biology and Virology in the late 1980s. And then I

00:04:51.200 left the Salk and joined a startup company called Vical in La Jolla, California. The work was done to

00:05:00.000 try to enable me to ask some fundamental questions about retroviruses. And at the time, I was very

00:05:07.600 passionately pursuing a career in gene therapy. So I wanted to be a pediatric gene therapist. And I was

00:05:16.640 working on trying to improve the use of the utility of the leading gene therapy technology at the time,

00:05:24.160 which was retroviruses. To do it, I had to develop methods for working with RNA because retroviruses

00:05:32.880 are packaged as RNA, ribonucleic acid. That's their genome. And they're retroviruses because they're

00:05:41.200 able to change the RNA into DNA. Most viruses, RNA viruses can't, like coronaviruses can't do that.

00:05:48.400 And so I needed to develop methods to allow me to manufacture large quantities of pure RNA

00:05:57.440 and include and learn about what were the appropriate genetic elements

00:06:04.400 proteins in that RNA and chemical elements necessary to make it so that it could produce protein when it

00:06:12.000 was delivered into a cell. And then I tested all the different methods of delivery that were available

00:06:19.600 at the time. None of them worked. And was fortunate to be the first to test a new tech that had been

00:06:28.240 developed in the Bay Area involving positively charged fats. And so that's what gave rise to that

00:06:36.000 suite of technologies. And then having established that I could do all these things, make large quantities

00:06:43.120 of RNA that had the proper structure and cause it to be slipped into virtually any cell type. And then

00:06:50.960 testing it in embryos and showing that it worked in embryos. The question was, what was it good for?

00:06:56.960 And so I came up with the idea of using RNA as a gene therapy medicine, which was considered to be

00:07:04.400 radical and bizarre at the time, not at all feasible. And of all the potential genetic medicines that

00:07:13.600 could be developed using this technology, I proposed that the leading one would be for vaccines because

00:07:20.240 the tech didn't work very good. It would produce a little amount of protein, but a little amount of

00:07:25.520 protein can provoke a very large immune response. So the core idea behind genetic vaccination was to mimic

00:07:34.720 what happens in the immune response when you get infected with a virus without having the whole

00:07:40.160 virus, only part of the virus. So that's what gave rise to it. And those are the concepts and the origin.

00:07:47.120 Well, I understand some of that, but not all of it. I'll admit I'm a layman on these things, but

00:07:52.400 it's clear that you are not just a casual pundit who has only had a recent and passing interest in

00:07:59.920 this technology. You were deeply immersed in the development of it in the early experimental days.

00:08:05.600 I think that's what made you so powerful a voice during the pandemics, especially when issues like

00:08:13.680 mandatory vaccination suddenly impose themselves, is that you weren't someone who had just Googled

00:08:22.320 MRNA and read the Wikipedia page. You were someone who was deeply involved in it.

00:08:30.080 Yeah, those things behind my back are the patents.

00:08:33.280 That's incredible. I think that made you very valuable in the debate. And normally an expert

00:08:41.440 with a wall of patents like that would be the toast of the town, except that I think the opposite.

00:08:47.920 They tried to denormalize you. They tried to defame you. They tried to marginalize you. For example,

00:08:54.400 can you tell us what was done to you on social media? Were you censored? How were you censored?

00:09:01.360 Did political leaders demonize you? What did Anthony Fauci say or do? What did the pharmaceutical

00:09:09.760 companies say or do when you started pumping the brakes a bit on the cheerleading of this? I mean,

00:09:17.120 you're someone who was obviously very open to this technology, but you had criticisms of its

00:09:21.840 application. How did they respond to you? So we still don't have the real answers to that.

00:09:30.320 The Twitter files, if there are any that talk about me, haven't been disclosed. There is a

00:09:39.040 FOIA document that shows that the question of who I was was brought up to Tony Fauci. And Tony Fauci

00:09:47.280 indicated that he didn't know me. We have met the position that he took with that NIH group that

00:09:55.440 contacted him after the press had contacted them. So I don't know what was said, if anything, behind the

00:10:04.480 scenes. And I've had no direct contacts with Pfizer or Moderna personnel. I spoke briefly early on with Bob

00:10:15.200 Langer, who's the chief science officer and one of the leaders in founding Moderna. And he acknowledged my

00:10:26.960 early role in that conversation. But in general, I've had very little formal interaction or pushback

00:10:38.720 from anyone that is affiliated with, you know, a traditional corporate organization. What I got was

00:10:46.800 all the surrogates. So the fact checker organizations, Associated Press, it's Atlantic Monthly, New York Times,

00:10:57.360 Rolling Stone, Washington Post. So the media coming after me.

00:11:03.360 And in particular, the fact checkers would jump on anything I would say. And fortunately,

00:11:10.400 I've always spoken truth. And so that came across, you know, their criticisms of me over time have

00:11:17.120 proven to be false. There was a great hit piece from Business Insider about two years ago that

00:11:25.920 had a series of statements about me and had interviewed with other scientists, known scientists

00:11:33.840 about what I'd been saying. And they disagreed with that. But as you look back at that Business Insider

00:11:40.400 piece, pretty much everything I said was right. And I likewise with the Joe Rogan hit, which went crazy.

00:11:49.600 Joe Rogan, apparently that that broadcast was seen by over 100 million people and caused a lot of

00:11:57.200 controversy. And and various Republicans actually inserted it into the congressional record because

00:12:03.760 there was such a strong attempt to suppress it. Yeah, that was that that's that's all been vindicated.

00:12:10.880 The things that I said are all come true. Your description of what you called mass formation

00:12:16.400 psychosis was so spot on. I think that really lit up a lot of people's thinking. It it reminded me of

00:12:24.720 the psychological experiments done 50 years ago by the ash conformity test and even in a way the Milgram

00:12:32.960 experiments. And and I think you nailed it. And I remember at the time the phrase mass formation

00:12:39.520 psychosis just went viral, ultra viral and on Twitter and elsewhere. And if you Googled it,

00:12:46.640 you got that strange result, which is things are happening very quickly, like like sometimes when

00:12:52.240 something breaks, Google wants to tamp it out. So they have this weird generic response. Results are

00:12:59.360 changing quickly. So our searches and working like something that's so obviously designed as a euphemism for

00:13:07.040 we're trying to redirect the links. You know, I I Googled your name just to refresh my memory about some

00:13:12.880 basic facts before today. And you're really the only person I've ever seen that when you Google their

00:13:18.240 name, the first result is not a Wikipedia page. And Wikipedia, of course, is horribly biased too. But it

00:13:24.400 is that Atlantic Monthly hit piece that you described. I think a lot of search regarding you and your name

00:13:32.560 has been hand curated by social media bureaucrats to direct people to opposition to you, to embarrassing

00:13:43.360 hit pieces on you. I've just never like the results that came up when I typed in your name. I've never

00:13:49.520 seen anything like that before. I think you nailed it. Let me just play a clip from that Joe Rogan

00:13:55.520 interview because because because I can see why it went viral. It was very exciting to hear it.

00:14:01.840 And I think you explained sort of the mass hypnosis that was going on here. Take a quick look.

00:14:06.480 What's how does this happen? How how do we have this emergent phenomena? The how question. Right.

00:14:12.640 And, you know, behind the how question is the why question. Um, that the the the how question of

00:14:19.760 a third of the population basically being hypnotized and totally wrapped up in whatever

00:14:26.320 Tony Fauci in the mainstream media feeds them, whatever CNN tells them is true.

00:14:30.560 Um, let me illustrate that. The other day I was looking through New York Times recent articles

00:14:36.160 about Omicron and pediatrics in preparation for this and for making some slideshows. And, um,

00:14:42.320 and I saw this headline in The New York Times, um, epidemiologist and a vaccinologist. And the

00:14:48.080 the title was how you should think about children and Omicron. It was it was blatantly saying this

00:14:55.520 is how you should think. We're going to tell you how to think. Okay. People kind of got to get that

00:15:01.040 in their head. That's the world we're in right now. Now, what Matthias Desmet has has shared with us.

00:15:07.040 Brilliant insight is another one of those. Aha. Now that part makes sense. Um, which is that

00:15:12.800 this comes from basically European intellectual inquiry into what the heck happened in Germany

00:15:20.640 in the twenties and thirties, you know, very intelligent, highly educated population.

00:15:24.400 And they went barking mad. Um, and how did that happen? Um, the answer is mass formation psychosis.

00:15:33.040 When you have a society that has become decoupled from each other and has free floating anxiety

00:15:39.600 in a sense that things don't make sense, we can't understand it. And then their attention gets

00:15:45.840 focused by a leader or a series of events on one small point, just like hypnosis. They literally

00:15:52.880 become hypnotized and can be led anywhere. And one of the aspects of that phenomena is the people that

00:15:58.960 they identify as their leaders, the ones typically that come in and say, you have this pain and I can

00:16:04.960 solve it for you. I and I alone. Okay. Can fix this problem for you. Okay. Then they will lead.

00:16:10.560 They will follow that person through. It doesn't matter whether they lie to him or whatever. The

00:16:15.760 data are irrelevant. And furthermore, anybody who questions that narrative is to be immediately

00:16:22.240 attacked. They are the other. This is central to mass formation psychosis. And this is what has happened.

00:16:29.920 We had all those conditions. If you remember back before 2019, everybody was complaining,

00:16:35.760 the world doesn't make sense, blah, blah, blah. Um, and we're all isolated from each other.

00:16:41.120 We're all on our little tools. We're not connected socially anymore, except through social media.

00:16:46.720 Um, and then this thing happened and everybody focused on it. That is how mass formation psychosis happens.

00:16:53.600 And that is what's happened here. You had a bigger audience in that moment

00:16:58.640 than any politician, than anyone other than maybe St. Fauci himself. I think that's why they tried to

00:17:04.800 censor you. Let me ask you this. Um, who funded MRNA research in the first place? You said you were

00:17:12.560 with the Salk Institute, Jonas Salk, of course, very important, um, uh, medical researcher.

00:17:18.560 Uh, is the funding for viruses these days, is it all military, either our military or the Russian

00:17:27.200 military or the Chinese military? Like who would have an interest in poking and prodding 1.00

00:17:33.200 viruses and testing their reaction to things like the, the kind of research that was being done in the

00:17:38.960 Wuhan Institute of Virology? It seems so evidently designed for military purposes. What are your thoughts

00:17:45.840 on that? Uh, so, uh, the truth is that the modern, uh, discipline of molecular biology and

00:18:01.600 virology and microbiology has largely been created through massive, massive investments in biowarfare

00:18:12.240 biowarfare. During the sixties, seventies and eighties in particular. And, uh, a case can be made

00:18:20.960 that modern biology as we know it exists because of these huge investments in biowarfare.

00:18:26.880 Uh, the head of the American, uh, uh, societies for microbiology was typically in, in past generations,

00:18:38.160 uh, closely tied to the leadership in the biowarfare enterprise in the United States.

00:18:47.440 The, uh, the, um, the CIA, uh, has long maintained programs

00:18:55.520 involving surveillance of viruses globally. And this has been a part of the entire intelligence

00:19:04.560 community. There used to be a program and now it's, it's, uh, matured in different ways

00:19:13.120 in which, uh, there was a very active effort, uh, by the intelligence community to gather data from all

00:19:20.240 over the world about infectious disease and then process that. And they used virtually

00:19:25.360 all sources of intelligence information, um, uh, computer embedded reporting and other things,

00:19:33.600 uh, to gather information about everything having to do with, uh, infectious disease and potential

00:19:40.800 infectious disease outbreaks. Infectious disease is perceived as a national security threat.

00:19:48.720 And that's what's driving a lot of this. And then we had the whole ramping up of this

00:19:56.640 biodefense industrial, uh, complex, particularly around the time of the anthrax attacks and immediately

00:20:04.800 before, and then subsequent, of course. So, uh, I wouldn't say it's just military, it's,

00:20:12.880 it's military, industrial, and intelligence. And it's very much embedded in the national security,

00:20:21.280 security enterprise. And most of the people that we perceive as leaders

00:20:26.960 at HHS, including Tony Fauci, that, uh, are, uh, involved in these biodefense related activities,

00:20:36.320 have deep ties both with the military and the U S intelligence complex. That's undeniable.

00:20:44.240 One of the things I'm trying to wrap my head around is the back and forth between

00:20:50.240 Fauci and Senator Rand Paul about what was being done in the Wuhan Institute of Virology with American

00:21:00.080 money direction, guidance, et cetera. And this is what I find so baffling. I mean, China is, uh, 0.98

00:21:07.760 at best arrival at worst, an enemy of the United States. It's a competitor for sure. And militarily,

00:21:16.480 scientifically, they're either competing against America or stealing American intellectual property.

00:21:21.840 So the idea that there would be American research in Wuhan and that it would be so

00:21:28.080 obviously adjacent, if not directly military research, I find baffling.

00:21:37.840 Senator Paul outright says that it was illegal research. Anthony Fauci denies that and, and

00:21:47.040 has a definition game. Here, let me just play a bit of an exchange between these two men because

00:21:51.760 they've, they've sparred over this a few times. Here's, here's a quick clip of that. Um, it's quite

00:21:56.800 something. Take a look. Dr. Fauci, knowing that it is a crime to lie to Congress, do you wish to

00:22:02.960 retract your statement of May 11th, where you claimed that the NIH never funded gain of function research

00:22:08.640 in Wuhan? Senator Paul, I have never lied before the Congress, and I do not retract that statement.

00:22:24.480 This paper that you were referring to was judged by qualified staff up and down the chain as not

00:22:32.880 being gain of function. So what was, let me finish. You take an animal virus and you increase

00:22:38.880 its transmissibility to humans. Right. You're saying that's not gain of function. Yeah, that is correct.

00:22:43.120 And, and Senator Paul, you do not know what you are talking about, quite frankly. That's the ongoing, uh,

00:22:50.160 quarrel. But here's a new clip as recently as today from your Twitter feed, doctor. Here, take a look at this.

00:22:56.080 You brought this to our attention. Thank you. On September 12th and November 7th of last year,

00:23:00.320 I sent letters to the State Department asking for records about coronavirus research that had

00:23:05.600 been funded by the State Department. State Department refused to comply. When Assistant

00:23:10.480 Secretary Sherman came, I asked her the same question. She didn't seem to be aware that you

00:23:15.200 had been funding coronavirus research, but you are. And I got the, I'll get back to you line.

00:23:21.280 A couple of weeks later, I met personally with you at the State Department and asked you the same

00:23:25.920 question. Will you not divulge to us the records of the State Department's support for coronavirus

00:23:31.600 research, particularly in China? You assured me you would help. We communicated several times over

00:23:37.760 the phone with another assistant secretary of state, uh, who finally sent us a letter and said,

00:23:43.280 no, we're not going to give you anything. So that's where we stand. And it's, uh, my question is,

00:23:47.840 what's the State Department hiding? Why won't you give these records to the American people?

00:23:51.120 Uh, Senator, thank you. And, uh, yes, I appreciated, uh, uh, you raising this when we saw each other,

00:23:56.400 uh, a month or so ago. Uh, and my understanding is that our teams have been working to find an

00:24:01.760 accommodation. Uh, there's longstanding- We got a refusal, blanket refusal. No,

00:24:06.800 they are not going to give us the records. Um, we cannot directly provide, uh, the- Sure you can.

00:24:12.480 Unredacted cables. We have a longstanding practice with this committee, uh, about how we do-

00:24:17.760 You're refusing, you're refusing to release them. No, but I think- Not that you can't. There's a

00:24:20.880 difference between can and may. You won't do it, but you can do it. My hope is that we can find

00:24:26.480 a way forward that answers your concerns so that you get the information that you're looking for.

00:24:30.320 My understanding is that our teams have been working on that and I, uh, commit to continue

00:24:34.560 to do that so we can get you the, the, uh- We're talking about unclassified material. Most of this is

00:24:39.120 unclassified. And so we just had a unanimous vote in the Senate and in the House and President Biden

00:24:45.280 just signed a- a bill saying he's gonna declassify stuff. But if you declassify it and you still hide

00:24:50.560 it from the American people, that's a problem. So what really was going on there, Doctor? And

00:24:55.920 will we ever know? And- and how can we be working with America's, like I say, enemies, rivals,

00:25:03.360 you use the word, how can America be in Wuhan? How- how does that even work?

00:25:08.320 So, uh, uh, there are various theories about this. And it's fascinating that Stefan Boncel,

00:25:17.120 the CEO of Moderna, was very involved in the construction of the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

00:25:23.680 The Wuhan Institute of Virology really only, uh, became functional a couple of years before this

00:25:30.080 outbreak. And, uh, at the time when it appears that the virus escaped the laboratory, they, uh, shortly

00:25:39.200 thereafter had, uh, engineers in to reorganize and restructure a lot of their ventilation systems

00:25:46.640 because, uh, management of air pressure is often the cause of viral leaks in environments like this.

00:25:53.280 The, uh, one working hypothesis, let's say, for what has driven this situation

00:26:04.400 is that a few years before all this happened, there was, uh, a leak that caused a large number of

00:26:16.400 CIA assets within the People's Republic of China to be identified.

00:26:20.880 And when they were identified, they were shot. Suddenly our intelligence community was blind to

00:26:28.960 what was going on in China in, uh, biowarfare and biodefense related activities.

00:26:36.960 So one, uh, hypothesis for what has driven this, which is consistent with, uh, what I've heard,

00:26:46.080 for instance, from my colleagues at Defense Threat Reduction Agency in the Department of Defense,

00:26:53.360 is that our intelligence community basically did a deal with the CCP

00:27:01.200 in order to be able to get some visibility and insight into what's actually going on within the,

00:27:09.600 the, um, uh, revolutionary army in the People's Republic, uh, as it relates to biowarfare and

00:27:17.520 biodefense product development and research. And there appears to have been a quid pro quo

00:27:24.480 in which, uh, we were allowed to have some intelligence visibility in exchange for technology that was

00:27:33.360 transferred to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, including reagents and a case can be made. These

00:27:38.800 viruses were technologically transferred from North Carolina into the Wuhan Institute. Uh, and there was

00:27:47.520 a tight working relationship there and it had to do with this, uh, logic that, uh, we would engage with

00:27:57.040 the opponent just as we had done. And it's the same groups basically in the same logic, just as we had

00:28:04.000 done with the loose nukes in the Soviet Union, uh, after the collapse of the Soviet Union to try to

00:28:11.760 mitigate the threat of, uh, those nuclear armaments, more heads getting into third party hands. And so that

00:28:20.960 appears in one version of this story, it appears that, uh, what happened here was a naive, uh, or maybe not

00:28:35.840 naive. There's no way to really know because it's all cloaked in this cloak and dagger world where, uh,

00:28:43.440 there was some sort of exchange of technology in exchange for access, limited access to visibility.

00:28:51.520 of what activities were going on there. And it was done in a laboratory that the West was involved

00:28:59.120 in creating at the Wuhan Institute of Virology of the national academy of, of the Chinese National Academy

00:29:06.240 of Sciences. And it, to keep it in context, there's a very, very deep and active, uh, um, exchange, uh, of

00:29:18.960 students and, uh, uh, leaders between Chinese academia and many of the leading U S academic

00:29:27.440 institutions, including Harvard, Yale, uh, University of Texas, medical branch, uh, Stanford,

00:29:36.560 et cetera. But in particular, Harvard has a very active exchange program, uh, with, uh, various Chinese

00:29:46.080 universities, including ones that are right around Wuhan that, uh, brings Chinese, uh, leadership, scientific

00:29:54.960 leadership into the United States to work with, uh, top academic labs in the States. And this is all

00:30:02.400 perceived as something akin to detente where, uh, through this exchange of, of technical capabilities

00:30:09.520 and information, uh, uh, we are reducing the risk of, uh, unintended consequences or, uh, confusion

00:30:24.080 that might cause, uh, uh, uh, a diplomatic or potentially a, a biologic, uh, weapons event that,

00:30:33.200 that no one wanted. Now, what we have of course, is a biologic event that nobody wanted, uh, and that

00:30:39.760 came out of this whole system. And that gives rise to the kinds of things like one of the bills that

00:30:46.240 I was just testifying on in Texas, uh, the movement to ban, uh, gain of function or directed evolution

00:30:53.840 research to the extent possible, because I think a strong case could be made that the risks far out

00:31:00.240 weigh the benefits. And we've had three years of experience in that. Well, that's a shocking story.

00:31:05.840 You've just told, if I had one question for an Anthony Fauci, I would ask him this. Now, maybe

00:31:11.200 he's already been asked this question. Do you know my question to him? And I doubt I'll ever have a

00:31:16.240 chance to ask it would be, have you ever been to Wuhan, China? Do we know if he has been, maybe that's

00:31:22.480 not a secret. Maybe he's already been asked that. I don't know, uh, the answer to that. I, I, um,

00:31:31.600 there is, uh, there are, uh, individuals, uh, who assert that Tony Fauci has a very, very close

00:31:40.960 personal relationship with the director of the Wuhan Institute of Virology that's, uh, spans many,

00:31:47.520 many years, uh, probably spans before the advent of the Institute of Virology. So I, I can also say

00:31:57.200 that when Tony Fauci was put on the stand, uh, by the attorney generals in their lawsuit against

00:32:03.200 the state attorney generals in their lawsuit against Google and the United States government,

00:32:07.600 uh, Tony Fauci pleaded, I cannot remember over 160 times. So I think that's a prelude to

00:32:16.000 how he's likely to testify in other cases, if he's put on the stand and sworn in.

00:32:21.280 It'd be quite something if he couldn't remember a trip to Wuhan. Um, let me ask you about something

00:32:25.680 else that's curious. And I find this so astonishing. I can't even believe it. But again,

00:32:33.360 I went on Google and I typed in event 201 and the first hit that came up was not a conspiracy

00:32:42.240 theory page or even Wikipedia was Johns Hopkins. And it was a description of event 201 sponsored by

00:32:49.920 Bill and Melinda Gates foundation on October 18th, 2019, the who's who in the virology vaccine world

00:33:01.600 had sort of a simulation, a war game simulation of a pandemic event. And it wasn't just a medical

00:33:08.080 simulation. It was a political simulation and the media simulation. And by the way, this was when

00:33:15.680 COVID-19 was already out of the, the genie was out of the bottle. I don't know the exact date that,

00:33:22.560 uh, has been accepted as the beginning of it, but October night, October 18th, 2019,

00:33:29.920 I think it's generally accepted that the virus was out and some people would have known it by then.

00:33:34.960 And event 201 was a war games where Bill Gates was up to his eyeballs. What do you know about event 201?

00:33:41.360 Do you think that they knew that COVID-19 was afoot and this wasn't actually just a hypothetical

00:33:50.720 scenario? This was okay guys, we've got about a month before this gets serious. Let's,

00:33:55.440 let's try and think this one through politically, militarily, economically. What the heck happened in

00:34:01.440 event 201?

00:34:02.400 So, uh, one of the things you left out with that preamble is that there were two main sponsors of

00:34:11.040 event 201, which was held at a, uh, um, basically a think tank at Johns Hopkins that's known to be

00:34:20.160 closely affiliated with the CIA. The two sponsors were the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and the

00:34:25.920 World Economic Forum. The, uh, uh, this is, uh, one of a series of war games that have been run for

00:34:36.960 decades. Uh, and, uh, uh, it is at a, at a, at a minimum, uh, event 201 was amazingly prescient.

00:34:47.920 Uh, were they, uh, what was the, the, the, were the participants there, uh, aware that the virus may

00:34:59.600 have entered the population in Wuhan, uh, with the military games that preceded that, or, uh, did the

00:35:08.640 virus enter the population in Wuhan in November? Uh, that's, all that timeline is still murky.

00:35:16.960 But, uh, uh, there's no question that event 201 pulled together a selected odd, a selected participant

00:35:26.720 list of people that largely had a bias towards, uh, um, more military or militarized, uh, responses

00:35:39.520 to, uh, a outbreak threat. And, uh, I argue that if you bring together, uh, if you're

00:35:46.800 going to do a war game planning exercise, you have to have a broad representation of the population,

00:35:53.920 but unfortunately our government has had a tendency, and this is pseudo government, this is

00:35:58.800 government plus these large NGOs, uh, has a tendency to bring together people that are, uh, kind of

00:36:07.200 insiders in the industry. Plus, for instance, in this case, the press people that have ties, for instance,

00:36:16.160 uh, in, um, uh, Council on Foreign Relations, uh, which, uh, most, many of the, uh, press people from CNN

00:36:28.400 and MSNBC are members of that, uh, and, uh, intelligence community people and defense community

00:36:36.000 people. And it's no surprise if you bring together a group of people that have a bias towards

00:36:41.520 authoritarian responses, that you're going to end up with a plan to respond to a public health emergency

00:36:47.920 that is very authoritarian. And it appears that the plan that was developed, whether it was developed

00:36:54.720 with awareness that that particular coronavirus had already entered, or that something akin to that

00:37:01.040 was highly likely, uh, um, certainly there was awareness that something like what we now call SARS-CoV-2

00:37:12.160 would, uh, originate and, and, uh, potentially sweep the world. Uh, and clearly there was, uh, research,

00:37:22.160 uh, multi-staged research going over many years to develop a novel coronavirus that was much more highly

00:37:29.040 infectious in humans. So, uh, I argue that what happened was in Event 201, they came up with a war game plan

00:37:37.680 that was very heavy-handed authoritarian based on three core assumptions. One was that we would have

00:37:45.920 a highly lethal, highly infectious coronavirus. That was false. This virus is nowhere near anything

00:37:53.920 close to the lethality, for instance, of Ebola. That we would have a effective and safe vaccine produced

00:38:02.000 rapidly. And at that point, the investments in the RNA vaccination technology were already maturing.

00:38:10.240 Moderna had been assembled with CIA money, et cetera.

00:38:15.920 And, uh, the third assumption was that there would be no drugs that would be effective in a timely

00:38:21.360 fashion against this agent, this type of hypothetical, hypothetical new coronavirus. And, um, we had,

00:38:32.480 you know, whatever the relationship is, it's lost in the midst of time. And I don't, you know,

00:38:37.520 I'm not privy to the information. I don't know if we'll ever get to the bottom of how this virus

00:38:43.280 entered the population intentionally or unintentionally.

00:38:46.000 But, um, it did. It was highly infectious. It swept through the entire globe, perhaps facilitated by

00:38:55.680 a failure of China to do lockdowns before the Chinese New Year, which is traditionally a time of

00:39:02.480 diaspora from Wuhan and China throughout the world. Um, and certainly facilitated the rapid transmission

00:39:09.760 globally. And, uh, the governments, particularly the Western governments, particularly the Five Eyes 0.66

00:39:17.280 nations, that's the intelligence alliance that ties together Great Britain, United States, Canada,

00:39:24.240 New Zealand, and Australia, um, implemented this very heavy handed authoritarian response that had been

00:39:32.400 planned in event 201. And the way I like to put it is that it's taught in every war college in the

00:39:39.280 world, I'm sure that, uh, your plans are only good until you encounter the enemy. And then you have to,

00:39:46.800 uh, re re-envision them. You have to re-plan based on the ground truth of what you're encountering.

00:39:54.160 And that was never done. So they, they had those three core assumptions. All of them were wrong.

00:40:00.960 The vaccine is not safe and effective. Uh, um, existing drugs could be used very effectively to treat this

00:40:08.640 virus. And this virus was nowhere near as lethal as was presumed based on the Chinese propaganda,

00:40:17.120 which was probably informed by what, you know, may well have been informed by event 201. It may have

00:40:22.000 been playing to the audience and telling them what the audience expected to hear. But, uh, there's no

00:40:28.720 question that these governments implemented this very heavy handed authoritarian plan in lockstep.

00:40:35.120 And as they did it, they also brought in aspects of the Chinese response, particularly the lockdown

00:40:43.200 strategies. And the Brownstone Institute has done a great job of tracking these citizen journalists,

00:40:50.320 the cascade of events that led to the wholesale importation of the, what was called the China

00:40:57.280 solution, the CCP strategy of lockdowns, masking, social distancing, et cetera. And in implementing

00:41:05.120 it in the Western nations, uh, although that was very different from what the plans had been

00:41:12.160 based on prior world health organization consensus and prior outbreak planning. So event 201 absolutely

00:41:20.080 happened. It is, uh, um, um, at a minimum, uh, rather odd that it, it was held at that point in time.

00:41:33.920 Uh, it, it does appear in retrospect that Mr. Gates is able to leverage the insider knowledge that he gains from

00:41:44.320 funding these types of war games to make strategic investments. And he did make by his own account,

00:41:51.840 huge amounts of money on his investments in the vaccine industry, including in the RNA vaccine industry,

00:41:58.480 which apparently according to his recent statements, he has sold all those assets.

00:42:05.760 And then shortly after selling off that stock came out with statements to the effect that the vaccines did

00:42:11.840 not perform in the way that was anticipated. Um, so there's a whole lot of evidence of work or profiteering,

00:42:20.240 um, and, uh, mismanagement, uh, based on these planning war games that were held. And then a failure to

00:42:30.160 think as I like to quote on art, the banality of evil, um, lies typically in the failure to think this is based

00:42:40.000 on her observations of Eichmann in Jerusalem. It's incredible that, uh, Bill Gates, when he was

00:42:45.680 deeply invested in the vaccines, uh, touted them as infallible. And as you say, um, once he was out of

00:42:53.760 the, uh, stocks, he spoke quite plainly and it, it almost sounded like, well, of course they're not

00:42:59.680 effective. Of course they don't work. Uh, why would you doubt like it, if he, he went from being a Fauci

00:43:05.760 style evangelist for them to sort of, uh, almost like he, he sent that down the memory hole. Oh,

00:43:11.600 I never said that. Like he was Robert Malone. Here's a clip of, uh, of Bill Gates just so matter

00:43:19.440 of factly, just so of course they don't work. Of course that's the problem. It, uh, it's, it's almost

00:43:24.560 like there's a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Here's Bill Gates disparaging the vaccines at moments earlier.

00:43:30.800 He was, uh, uh, saying we're a must do and the world must buy them and indemnify him for any, um,

00:43:38.880 product liability. By the way, take a listen. The current vaccines are not infection blocking.

00:43:44.240 Uh, they're not broad. So when new variants come up, you lose protection and they have very short

00:43:49.520 duration, uh, particularly in the people who matter, which are old people. And every one of those things

00:43:55.520 is, is fixable. Uh, in fact, doing that work is going to help vaccinology very, very broadly.

00:44:03.760 The idea of checking if people are vaccinated, you know, if you have breakthrough infections,

00:44:08.640 what's the point? I find it incredible that Bill Gates is as prominent, successful, influential,

00:44:14.800 and powerful as he is. Not the least of which is his involvement with Jeffrey Epstein, well-documented

00:44:23.840 even by the New York Times, uncontradicted reports say he met with Jeffrey Epstein more than a dozen

00:44:31.680 times, repeatedly met even after the truth was known about Epstein, kept meaning so much that his own

00:44:39.680 wife divorced him over that. And, and I, I mean, I don't know what went on in their family, but surely

00:44:45.280 uh, his wife would start by saying, please don't go, or you must not go, or I insist you don't go.

00:44:50.720 I mean, by the time any marital quarrel gets to the point where she divorces him over it,

00:44:56.080 that must have been ongoing for a long time and he must have been so insistent. Here's a clip

00:45:00.080 of Melinda Gates with some caution. Maybe there's some rules about what she can or can't say. 1.00

00:45:05.360 Um, just, you, you can feel the rage in this woman. Take a listen to Melinda Gates explaining 1.00

00:45:13.440 why she divorced Bill. You know, it was also widely reported that Bill had a friendship or business or

00:45:20.640 some kind of contact with Jeffrey Epstein and that you were not, uh, that that was very upsetting to

00:45:25.520 you. Did that play a role in the, in the divorce at all in this process? Yeah. As I said, it's not one

00:45:31.920 thing. It was many things, but I did not like, uh, that he'd had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein. No.

00:45:39.680 And you made that clear to him. I made that clear to him. I also met Jeffrey Epstein exactly one time.

00:45:46.240 Did you? Did you? Yes. Because I wanted to see who this man was. And, um, I regretted it from the

00:45:53.200 second I stepped in the door. He was abhorrent. He was evil personified. I had nightmares about it

00:46:00.320 afterwards. So, you know, my heart breaks for these young women because that's how I felt.

00:46:05.360 And here I'm an older woman. My God, I feel terrible for those young women. It's awful.

00:46:09.920 You felt that the moment you walked in. I didn't realize that. He was awful.

00:46:12.560 Yeah. And you shared that with Bill and he still continued to spend time with him?

00:46:17.840 Any of the questions remaining about what Bill's relationship there was, those are for Bill to

00:46:23.120 answer. Okay. But I made it very clear how I felt about him. I mean, that alone, I think, ought to

00:46:30.080 merit a giant asterisk by his name whenever people interview him. But I see him interviewed every day

00:46:35.760 saying the most absurd and dramatic, like he really is a Dr. Evil character, except for he looks like a

00:46:42.000 schlep. Like if he, if he looked more, um, malign, instead he's got these pudgy and he's got the, 0.82

00:46:49.120 the sweaters and he's got that goofy style. I think, I think there's something deeply wrong with

00:46:54.560 him. And I, I think that, I think he's the villain in this story. What do you, I mean,

00:46:58.960 listen, a lot of that's an aesthetic and emotional reaction. What do you make of Bill Gates in the fact

00:47:03.840 that he is not in any way defrocked after this? I mean, he's, he, I would say he has more prestige

00:47:12.880 now than ever, at least with the establishment. What do you, what do you make of Bill Gates?

00:47:16.160 Well, I think that we're seeing an example of the power of wealth. Uh, he has enormous personal

00:47:25.760 wealth and he's leveraged that in a variety of ways. He's made major investments, for instance,

00:47:32.000 in information, both in information technology companies, but, uh, at the level of basic journalism

00:47:39.600 school investments. He's been pushing the, uh, um, teaching of advocacy journalism that's been funded

00:47:48.880 by Bill and Linda Gates. And he's made major contributions to a wide number of media outlets.

00:47:58.160 So there's clear financial conflicts of interest. I, I had an interesting set of interviews with

00:48:06.560 Candace Owens a while ago in which she talked to me about Bill. And, uh, what came out of that was

00:48:14.080 my comment that, um, Mr. Gates may or may not have been a, uh, decent coder.

00:48:21.120 But he is absolutely the premier monopolist of the 20th and 21st century today. He's more successful

00:48:31.920 as a monopolist than any of the classic robber bearers. It is his core competency. Um, and he has pivoted

00:48:41.120 from monopolizing information technology, and particularly the desktop computer operating system

00:48:48.960 and all of the accessories to monopolizing world health. He's made massive investments

00:48:56.080 in the world health organization. I think he, he's not the top funder. He's one of the top two or three

00:49:02.800 basically, uh, put Tedros in power together with the CCP. He, he controls now most of the global public

00:49:13.440 health infrastructure through his various actions and investments. He controls much of the media.

00:49:21.440 Uh, he controls much of our political system through his investments as together with some others,

00:49:28.080 George Soros being a notable example. Uh, and so it's no surprise that he's surrounded by sycophants,

00:49:35.680 uh, including in the media who, uh, can see no evil. They're paid to see no evil. But, uh, whatever Mr. Gates

00:49:47.200 is and whatever he thinks he's doing, he has clearly managed to monopolize world health. And, uh, I was

00:49:55.280 speaking the other day off the record to, uh, a senior congressional investigator who made an observation

00:50:03.600 that relates to this very similar. I say the same thing. Every single rabbit hole, she goes down,

00:50:10.160 she sees Bill Gates at the end of it. And this is somebody who is involved in the, uh, investigations

00:50:20.080 into COVID and the origin of COVID on behalf of a U S Senator. So she's a very experienced prosecutor,

00:50:29.280 federal prosecutor. And she came to that conclusion herself as Mr. Gates seems to be behind almost

00:50:36.160 everything that's happened. Hmm. Well, listen, time flies. We didn't even have a chance to get

00:50:42.320 into the details of your testimony before the Texas Senate. We didn't talk about your substack. I've been

00:50:48.640 reading outstanding articles from you about the United Nations. Uh, you have a great explication of their,

00:50:55.360 uh, power and how their mission creep has given them even more power. And, and then a fascinating

00:51:01.840 study on transhumanism, which is connecting people with machines. I would encourage people to subscribe

00:51:07.920 at rwmalonemd.substack.com. Dr. Malone, it's been a pleasure to catch up with you. I know you've talked to

00:51:16.720 other members of our team before, but thank you for this heavy discussion. I learned about terrifying

00:51:21.760 things, including event 201 and the nature of the Wuhan lab. And, uh, I think more people have to know

00:51:27.360 the truth, even if it is quite unsettling. And I'm grateful that you're still fighting and speaking

00:51:32.480 truth, even though everyone from the Atlantic to the, the so-called fact checkers are trying to silence

00:51:41.520 you. I'm glad you have not been silenced and I'm glad you spent some time with us today. Thanks a lot. And

00:51:47.120 thanks for having me on and I look forward to in our next chat. Right on. What a pleasure. There you

00:51:51.920 have it. Dr. Robert Malone. Well, that's our show for today until next time on behalf of all of us here

00:51:59.360 at rebel world headquarters to you at home. Good night and keep fighting for freedom.

00:52:17.120 Good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - March 23, 2023

EZRA LEVANT ｜ Surviving the politicized pandemic： An interview with Dr Robert Malone

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