Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ The future of Alberta： A special interview with Brett Wilson

00:00:00.000 You know, Brett Wilson is one of my favorite guys.

00:00:02.040 He's such a great Albertan.

00:00:03.440 He's such a community man.

00:00:05.460 He's a philanthropist.

00:00:06.600 I got to know him when he was a leading investor

00:00:09.280 and entrepreneur in Alberta.

00:00:11.200 And he cares about Alberta and politics and charity.

00:00:14.360 What a perfect guy to talk to about the future of Alberta

00:00:17.620 and the independence referendum.

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00:01:34.340 Tonight, a heart-to-heart with Brett Wilson,

00:01:37.200 an Alberta leader,

00:01:38.460 about the future of that province.

00:01:40.560 It's February 16th.

00:01:42.000 This is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:43.360 You're fighting for freedom!

00:01:46.620 Shame on you, you sensorism bug!

00:01:49.860 Well, I'm from Alberta originally,

00:02:01.340 and it's still in my veins.

00:02:03.020 Even though I'm out here in Toronto,

00:02:04.940 I'm very interested in Alberta things.

00:02:07.300 It's always been a crucible,

00:02:08.980 a laboratory for political ideas.

00:02:11.420 It's where so many political parties are born.

00:02:13.840 Well, right now,

00:02:15.380 one of the ideas being chewed over

00:02:17.140 in that province

00:02:18.400 is that of independence.

00:02:20.900 There is a petition drive

00:02:22.700 for 177,000 signatures

00:02:25.400 that, if it's received,

00:02:26.800 will cause a referendum this October.

00:02:30.240 Well, petition gatherers

00:02:31.420 think they'll much exceed that.

00:02:33.100 They could get as many as a million

00:02:34.800 names on a petition.

00:02:36.280 I recently re-read

00:02:38.780 the Citizen Initiative Act,

00:02:40.940 and it's all in the law.

00:02:43.760 The premier doesn't even have

00:02:45.200 anything to say about it.

00:02:46.720 If the number of petitions is exceeded,

00:02:50.040 there must be a referendum,

00:02:52.200 and it must happen

00:02:53.240 before the next election.

00:02:54.700 Folks, I think this is going to go.

00:02:57.300 The question is,

00:02:59.060 is it good for Alberta

00:03:00.380 to seek independence,

00:03:01.700 and is it good for the rest of the country?

00:03:03.880 I have my opinions,

00:03:05.080 but I want to talk to a man

00:03:06.900 who is probably more Albertan

00:03:09.100 per cubic inch

00:03:10.600 than almost anyone else I know.

00:03:12.780 He is an Alberta booster

00:03:13.960 who has lived the Alberta way.

00:03:17.400 In fact, he was a great financier

00:03:19.540 who invested and helped build

00:03:21.520 that province's core industry

00:03:23.580 of the energy,

00:03:24.480 and he's joining us now

00:03:25.760 from Calgary wearing,

00:03:27.720 very symbolically,

00:03:29.160 his beautiful Canada hoodie.

00:03:32.320 Brett Wilson,

00:03:33.280 welcome back to the program.

00:03:34.220 I'm nice to see you again.

00:03:35.840 By the way, in Saskatchewan,

00:03:37.240 which is where I was born,

00:03:38.580 this isn't a hoodie.

00:03:39.620 It's a bunny hug.

00:03:40.900 Ah, bunny hug.

00:03:42.140 You know, Alberta and Saskatchewan,

00:03:43.700 I like to remind people,

00:03:45.160 were born on the same day in 1905.

00:03:47.660 In fact, there was a movement

00:03:48.940 to have them one big province

00:03:50.600 called Buffalo.

00:03:51.360 I get a chuckle out of that.

00:03:52.340 That would have been awesome.

00:03:54.040 Yep.

00:03:54.880 You know, I had the privilege

00:03:55.700 of working with a Cree shaman

00:03:57.080 about 30 years ago,

00:03:58.220 and he read my energy

00:03:59.640 and he said,

00:04:00.840 you are the Plains bison 0.99

00:04:02.740 or the buffalo.

00:04:04.120 I have a dog lying below

00:04:05.400 my desk right now.

00:04:06.680 Her name, Buffalo. 0.59

00:04:08.520 I am a big believer

00:04:09.360 in the West

00:04:10.760 and Buffalo

00:04:11.680 and Canada.

00:04:12.600 If I ever had my energy

00:04:14.620 read by a shaman,

00:04:15.580 they'd say,

00:04:16.480 bull.

00:04:18.140 That's a lot of bull.

00:04:19.520 That's what they would say to me.

00:04:21.140 That's one form of bison, though.

00:04:22.660 That's right.

00:04:23.740 You know,

00:04:24.160 let's get serious, though,

00:04:25.140 because this referendum question,

00:04:27.220 the premier, I think,

00:04:28.260 is taking an interesting

00:04:29.220 point of view.

00:04:29.880 Like I say,

00:04:30.520 it's not even up to her

00:04:31.880 whether this thing

00:04:32.840 goes on the ballot.

00:04:33.880 The law is the law.

00:04:35.200 And she was asked

00:04:36.380 to condemn separatism,

00:04:38.440 and she said,

00:04:38.980 I'm not going to condemn

00:04:39.860 30 or so percent

00:04:41.680 of my people.

00:04:42.400 Let them vote.

00:04:43.380 And I thought that was

00:04:44.080 a high-minded approach.

00:04:45.600 When you look at the polls,

00:04:46.680 they suggest as many

00:04:48.020 as 30 percent

00:04:49.420 of Albertans

00:04:50.300 have lost hope.

00:04:52.100 That's about a million people.

00:04:53.720 And I'm not going to

00:04:54.600 demonize or marginalize

00:04:55.820 a million of my fellow citizens

00:04:58.040 when they've got

00:04:58.820 legitimate grievances.

00:05:00.060 She wasn't getting

00:05:00.960 into the trenches,

00:05:02.000 but neither was she

00:05:02.940 bad-mouthing anyone.

00:05:04.420 Why don't we start with that?

00:05:05.520 Is she taking the right approach

00:05:07.420 the way she has?

00:05:09.360 I think she's following

00:05:10.280 the law, as you point out,

00:05:11.580 and allowing people

00:05:12.820 to have a voice

00:05:13.720 is probably one of the

00:05:14.740 most important things

00:05:15.600 we can do for the people

00:05:17.100 in our country,

00:05:18.220 including Saskatchewan,

00:05:19.400 Alberta, blah, blah, blah. 0.98

00:05:20.640 So her approach,

00:05:21.980 which is to say,

00:05:22.800 go ahead,

00:05:23.660 run the recall campaign

00:05:25.120 equivalent,

00:05:25.820 or cause the vote,

00:05:27.680 which then takes us

00:05:28.540 to a referendum,

00:05:30.000 she's made it clear

00:05:30.800 that in her heart,

00:05:32.060 she knows there's a million

00:05:33.000 people who are frustrated.

00:05:34.660 That doesn't mean

00:05:35.380 the end game

00:05:35.920 has to be separation.

00:05:37.160 We'll talk about that.

00:05:38.000 But the idea

00:05:38.840 that we can raise

00:05:39.620 the profile

00:05:40.320 and thought conversation

00:05:41.980 wrapped around

00:05:42.860 what does it mean

00:05:43.900 to be separated?

00:05:45.480 How do we operate

00:05:46.600 if we're independent

00:05:47.720 of the rest of our nation?

00:05:49.880 And the fact

00:05:50.640 that she's open

00:05:51.240 to the conversation,

00:05:52.420 I think is incredibly

00:05:53.240 professional on her part.

00:05:55.560 Less misguided

00:05:56.600 than almost any other leader

00:05:59.040 in our country.

00:06:00.040 I watch Rob Ford kiss

00:06:01.340 federal liberal ass. 0.54

00:06:02.920 I watch the government

00:06:04.000 of Quebec

00:06:04.520 incapable

00:06:05.440 of finding a leader.

00:06:07.600 We've got Atlantic Canada

00:06:08.700 bounces around.

00:06:09.820 A couple of the premiers

00:06:10.660 are very pro-infrastructure

00:06:12.320 resources,

00:06:13.640 others are not.

00:06:14.860 Bit of confusion.

00:06:16.280 And I'm,

00:06:16.760 you know,

00:06:16.940 Wab Canoe likes 0.85

00:06:17.780 his Crown Royal.

00:06:19.000 I get that.

00:06:19.680 And EB is one

00:06:20.440 of the most destructive

00:06:21.540 elements

00:06:22.600 of building our country.

00:06:24.340 Again,

00:06:24.600 this has got nothing

00:06:25.200 to do with separation.

00:06:26.220 This has got everything

00:06:26.780 to do with where Canada

00:06:27.680 is right now.

00:06:28.800 And all I'm getting at

00:06:30.140 is I'm a huge fan

00:06:31.160 of two premiers

00:06:32.680 in the middle,

00:06:33.440 Scott Moe

00:06:34.540 and Daniel Smith.

00:06:35.820 Yeah.

00:06:36.380 Well,

00:06:37.540 Daniel Smith,

00:06:38.620 I think,

00:06:38.900 is also being

00:06:39.560 very constructive

00:06:40.920 in her approach

00:06:41.900 to dealing with

00:06:42.440 Donald Trump.

00:06:43.420 She hasn't been

00:06:44.300 obedient or submissive

00:06:46.900 or,

00:06:47.240 I mean,

00:06:49.060 she hasn't humiliated

00:06:50.440 herself before him.

00:06:51.860 She has shown

00:06:52.480 great self-control

00:06:53.700 and she's complimented

00:06:55.100 the guy,

00:06:55.440 which I think

00:06:55.880 is part of diplomacy.

00:06:57.380 Diplomacy,

00:06:57.940 you don't go in

00:06:58.380 with a wrecking ball.

00:06:59.200 You think,

00:06:59.600 what are my interests?

00:07:00.780 I'm here to win

00:07:01.760 the result,

00:07:02.340 not win the argument.

00:07:03.920 I think she's been

00:07:04.840 the best

00:07:05.380 for Canada-U.S.

00:07:06.660 relations

00:07:07.100 of all the premiers.

00:07:08.920 No, absolutely.

00:07:09.720 And because she knows

00:07:10.300 at the end of the day,

00:07:11.660 and again,

00:07:12.100 I'm going to go back

00:07:12.580 to Trump for a moment.

00:07:13.840 I admire

00:07:14.480 what Trump's

00:07:15.260 trying to do.

00:07:16.560 In other words,

00:07:17.160 protect his country,

00:07:18.160 grow his country,

00:07:19.240 reduce the wars

00:07:20.020 in the world,

00:07:21.080 you know,

00:07:21.380 create natural resource

00:07:22.660 and empowerment.

00:07:24.120 Again,

00:07:24.560 I appreciate

00:07:25.040 what he's trying to do.

00:07:25.940 I don't like

00:07:26.360 how he's doing it.

00:07:27.200 And that's the easy

00:07:28.060 criticism to label,

00:07:30.140 partly because on Monday,

00:07:31.120 it's this direction,

00:07:32.120 Tuesday,

00:07:32.500 it's the next.

00:07:33.160 And who knows exactly

00:07:34.280 what his end game is?

00:07:35.540 So that's frustrating.

00:07:36.840 And that's where I think

00:07:37.740 the ultimate patience

00:07:39.140 and perseverance

00:07:40.540 is the ultimate goal.

00:07:44.180 And that's what

00:07:44.680 Danielle Smith

00:07:45.360 has been doing.

00:07:46.580 I can think of

00:07:47.700 two main reasons

00:07:49.480 to support independence.

00:07:51.420 There's probably others.

00:07:52.800 The first is to actually

00:07:54.340 create a new country.

00:07:55.720 But the second,

00:07:57.240 and I think Quebec

00:07:57.960 has been using this

00:07:58.860 very well for really

00:08:00.260 two generations

00:08:00.980 is to have an or else.

00:08:03.320 Give us three seats

00:08:04.420 on the 19th Supreme Court

00:08:05.840 or else we leave.

00:08:07.420 Give us control

00:08:08.280 over these jurisdictions

00:08:10.200 like immigration 0.77

00:08:11.160 or else we're gone.

00:08:12.900 Give us more money.

00:08:14.240 Like it's the or else

00:08:15.340 that gets the attention

00:08:16.780 of parliament.

00:08:18.620 Right now,

00:08:19.240 Alberta wants something.

00:08:20.760 There's no or else.

00:08:21.940 People laugh

00:08:22.580 because it's a small

00:08:24.200 percentage of the parliament.

00:08:25.520 So putting aside

00:08:27.560 for just the moment

00:08:28.520 the actually becoming

00:08:30.200 a new country reason,

00:08:32.520 isn't this referendum

00:08:33.940 a great way

00:08:34.940 of getting the attention

00:08:37.020 of the rest of Canada,

00:08:38.320 letting them know

00:08:39.140 Alberta is serious

00:08:40.180 and making them

00:08:40.980 actually try and woo

00:08:42.280 the West

00:08:43.540 instead of scoffing at it?

00:08:44.960 Isn't it a good or else?

00:08:46.520 I couldn't agree more.

00:08:47.860 And again,

00:08:48.180 I'm not anti-separation,

00:08:50.540 but when I say

00:08:51.540 I'm not pro-separation,

00:08:53.280 it means I'm watching,

00:08:54.600 I'm observing,

00:08:55.620 and what am I pro?

00:08:57.140 I'm pro what I call

00:08:58.460 collaboration.

00:08:59.740 Let's get Alberta, 1.00

00:09:00.820 Saskatchewan,

00:09:01.500 oh yeah,

00:09:02.040 and Manitoba

00:09:02.840 and why not BC

00:09:04.020 and let's not forget

00:09:05.500 the Yukon.

00:09:06.220 I'm heavily invested

00:09:07.100 in the Yukon

00:09:07.660 and Northwest Territories.

00:09:09.800 If those four provinces,

00:09:11.460 two territories

00:09:12.100 were to work

00:09:12.760 collaboratively,

00:09:14.700 guess what?

00:09:15.960 Quebec becomes 0.95

00:09:16.620 less relevant.

00:09:17.660 Ontario becomes

00:09:18.420 less relevant.

00:09:19.260 We have a more

00:09:19.820 powerful voice.

00:09:21.320 And again,

00:09:21.600 I think the thing

00:09:22.160 that's frustrated

00:09:22.700 most Albertans,

00:09:24.280 most,

00:09:24.660 again,

00:09:25.040 everything you mentioned

00:09:25.800 I agree with

00:09:26.720 in terms of

00:09:27.340 the courts

00:09:28.400 and how the judiciary

00:09:29.760 is appointed,

00:09:30.620 et cetera.

00:09:31.100 But it's the goofiness

00:09:33.420 and the inappropriateness

00:09:35.300 of equalization.

00:09:36.840 The fact that Quebec 0.66

00:09:37.580 comes out

00:09:38.240 $10,

00:09:38.560 $12,

00:09:38.900 $15 billion

00:09:40.020 a year ahead

00:09:41.120 because they refuse

00:09:42.300 to acknowledge

00:09:42.940 that they have

00:09:43.700 hydropower,

00:09:45.140 we make money

00:09:45.880 off power,

00:09:46.640 they don't,

00:09:47.520 that's amazing.

00:09:48.060 So there's just

00:09:49.040 some work

00:09:49.380 to be done

00:09:49.820 and that's why

00:09:50.480 just my gut

00:09:51.560 says collaboration

00:09:52.640 gets us

00:09:53.540 a better outcome

00:09:54.740 than trying

00:09:55.440 to separate.

00:09:56.860 You know,

00:09:57.680 Albertans,

00:09:58.520 and I still

00:09:59.660 consider myself

00:10:00.320 a spiritual

00:10:00.920 Albertan,

00:10:01.680 even though I've

00:10:02.080 been out here

00:10:02.460 in Toronto

00:10:02.840 for more than a decade.

00:10:04.280 I think Albertans

00:10:05.300 are generous

00:10:05.860 by nature

00:10:06.320 and I don't think

00:10:06.900 Albertans

00:10:07.420 have really minded

00:10:08.820 maybe lifting

00:10:10.020 a little more

00:10:10.520 than the fair share,

00:10:11.320 but when it's met

00:10:12.000 with condescension

00:10:13.000 and attacks

00:10:14.180 and humiliation

00:10:15.280 and no other

00:10:16.920 industry in this country

00:10:18.180 has the rug

00:10:19.380 pulled out

00:10:19.880 from under it.

00:10:21.140 Every other industry

00:10:21.840 in fact gets subsidies

00:10:22.960 and you know

00:10:24.900 there's something

00:10:25.400 the Jewish word

00:10:26.620 chutzpah

00:10:27.100 comes to mind

00:10:27.880 when I look

00:10:28.580 at two particular

00:10:29.860 voices.

00:10:30.600 One is David E.B.

00:10:31.420 and the other

00:10:31.840 is Elizabeth May,

00:10:33.400 both of whom

00:10:34.240 have said

00:10:34.820 this is outrageous

00:10:36.100 that Alberta

00:10:36.820 would want to leave

00:10:37.620 but both,

00:10:38.600 those two people

00:10:39.500 are responsible

00:10:40.240 for a lot

00:10:40.780 of the anti-oil,

00:10:42.240 anti-pipeline

00:10:43.260 risk and threats.

00:10:46.160 We know

00:10:46.680 foreign interference 0.89

00:10:47.460 is a threat

00:10:47.980 to Canadian democracy.

00:10:49.100 It was confirmed

00:10:49.620 by the Hope Commission

00:10:50.700 and we've taken steps

00:10:52.180 at the federal level

00:10:53.520 for federal elections

00:10:54.720 to deal with the threat

00:10:56.160 of foreign interference.

00:10:57.080 So my question

00:10:57.740 to the Honourable Minister

00:10:58.820 is,

00:10:59.480 is there

00:11:00.100 and what is being done

00:11:01.600 now to consider

00:11:02.540 the threat

00:11:03.440 of foreign interference

00:11:04.600 to provincial referenda

00:11:06.340 that could break up 0.79

00:11:07.180 this country

00:11:07.800 when we know

00:11:08.540 people in the White House

00:11:09.720 are encouraging

00:11:10.700 separatism?

00:11:11.820 What are we doing

00:11:12.520 to prepare?

00:11:13.260 I just wanted to ask

00:11:13.820 you a follow-up

00:11:14.360 on that question

00:11:15.300 of those Albertans

00:11:16.300 going to D.C.

00:11:18.760 Is this something

00:11:19.580 that you're going to raise

00:11:20.220 with Premier Smith

00:11:20.940 and do you think

00:11:21.480 that she has

00:11:22.760 any hand to play

00:11:23.880 in trying to sort of

00:11:24.780 quell that

00:11:25.380 or stop that type of thing?

00:11:26.820 Well, these are not

00:11:27.320 Albertans.

00:11:28.000 Albertans overwhelmingly

00:11:28.980 want to stay in Canada.

00:11:30.540 This is a small group

00:11:31.520 of people

00:11:32.060 that live in Alberta

00:11:33.120 that don't want

00:11:34.220 to be part of Canada,

00:11:35.120 don't want to be part

00:11:35.780 of Alberta

00:11:36.220 and I think that all of us,

00:11:39.220 myself, Premier Smith,

00:11:40.940 every Premier,

00:11:41.920 has a role to play

00:11:42.600 to say that this is

00:11:43.160 unacceptable conduct.

00:11:44.060 You can't bully Alberta

00:11:46.260 and say you're not getting

00:11:47.440 your oil through B.C.

00:11:49.520 and then freak out

00:11:50.620 when Alberta says,

00:11:51.380 well, maybe we'll sell it

00:11:52.100 through Montana

00:11:52.640 and by the way,

00:11:53.200 the Treasury Secretary

00:11:54.100 of the United States

00:11:55.440 says he'd love that.

00:11:57.260 Alberta is a wealth

00:11:58.760 of natural resources

00:11:59.820 but they won't let them

00:12:01.680 build a pipeline

00:12:02.640 to the Pacific.

00:12:04.640 I think we should

00:12:06.620 let them come down

00:12:07.940 into the U.S.

00:12:09.780 and Alberta

00:12:10.700 is a natural partner

00:12:11.920 for the U.S.

00:12:13.960 They have great resources.

00:12:16.020 The Albertans

00:12:16.720 are very independent people.

00:12:20.160 Rumors that they may

00:12:21.300 have a referendum

00:12:22.480 on whether they want

00:12:23.420 to stay in Canada

00:12:24.120 or not.

00:12:24.600 Sounds like you may

00:12:25.140 know something up there.

00:12:26.180 People are saying,

00:12:30.120 people are talking,

00:12:31.820 people are talking,

00:12:32.800 people want sovereignty.

00:12:35.400 They want what the U.S. 0.81

00:12:37.020 has got.

00:12:37.420 I think a lot of what

00:12:38.320 irritates Albertans, 0.80

00:12:39.420 if I may,

00:12:40.400 is the hypocrisy.

00:12:42.660 Give us your money

00:12:43.460 but we're going to slander

00:12:45.220 you and your industries.

00:12:47.580 It's a lack of respect

00:12:49.540 and that's not that important,

00:12:51.740 I suppose,

00:12:52.880 compared to dollars

00:12:53.980 and sense issues

00:12:54.800 but it actually

00:12:55.860 is sort of important

00:12:56.840 I think to human beings.

00:12:57.880 They need to feel respected.

00:12:59.840 Let's speak for just a moment

00:13:02.660 about a guy

00:13:03.340 who wrote a song

00:13:04.400 22 years ago

00:13:06.140 and in the song

00:13:07.620 there's a line that says

00:13:08.620 I have independence

00:13:09.960 in my veins.

00:13:11.400 Yeah.

00:13:11.500 And I'll be

00:13:12.840 Albert abound

00:13:14.480 until I die

00:13:16.660 It's a

00:13:20.240 crowd that's been

00:13:21.840 passed down

00:13:22.760 me

00:13:23.300 Deep as coal mines

00:13:25.100 Wild as farmer's fields

00:13:27.540 Yeah, I've got

00:13:28.900 independence

00:13:30.340 in my veins

00:13:32.700 Alberta bound

00:13:35.000 Yeah.

00:13:35.700 Paul Grant

00:13:36.280 Yeah.

00:13:36.980 The government of Alberta

00:13:38.260 allowed the Teachers Association

00:13:39.840 to punt Paul

00:13:41.640 on the perception

00:13:43.020 that he was a separatist

00:13:45.380 and they punted him

00:13:46.700 from speaking

00:13:47.540 about his program

00:13:49.520 Not in My City

00:13:50.480 and candidly

00:13:51.380 there is no artist

00:13:52.480 entertainer

00:13:53.820 in Canada

00:13:54.860 superior to the effort

00:13:56.780 and initiative

00:13:57.540 of Paul Brandt

00:13:58.840 working against

00:13:59.840 sex trafficking

00:14:00.600 Right.

00:14:01.100 bringing children

00:14:01.700 into our country

00:14:02.480 illegally,

00:14:03.040 immorally, 0.60

00:14:03.540 unethically,

00:14:04.380 etc.

00:14:05.000 But here

00:14:05.520 we have a government

00:14:06.520 agency

00:14:07.380 the Alberta Teachers Association

00:14:09.000 punts him 0.95

00:14:10.080 because he has a song

00:14:11.440 that says

00:14:11.980 I have independence

00:14:12.900 in my veins

00:14:13.700 Yeah.

00:14:14.020 Paul hasn't talked

00:14:15.200 about that at all

00:14:16.000 Right.

00:14:16.320 the fact is

00:14:16.880 that we've got

00:14:17.360 blood flowing

00:14:17.940 Right.

00:14:18.520 and we are the West

00:14:19.460 and we appreciate

00:14:20.480 who we are

00:14:21.140 and it's just the fact

00:14:22.640 in my mind

00:14:23.300 the only thing

00:14:23.980 that really needs

00:14:24.500 to be solved

00:14:25.080 is equalization payments

00:14:26.800 Yeah.

00:14:27.260 that then allows us

00:14:28.600 a lot of flexibility

00:14:29.560 There's confusion

00:14:30.580 over Canada Pension Plan

00:14:31.740 there's confusion

00:14:32.340 over RCMP

00:14:33.500 there's confusion

00:14:34.480 over the political

00:14:35.540 appointees

00:14:36.660 all of that

00:14:37.480 is real

00:14:38.200 and all of that

00:14:39.360 has to be solved

00:14:40.080 and that's

00:14:40.660 in no small part

00:14:41.620 you already talked

00:14:42.240 about this

00:14:42.660 the noise

00:14:43.620 that's created

00:14:44.560 by the separatist movement

00:14:46.020 can amplify

00:14:47.000 the opportunity

00:14:47.940 for us to properly

00:14:49.260 negotiate

00:14:49.880 a better outcome

00:14:50.980 I'm just asking

00:14:52.120 suggesting

00:14:52.720 encouraging

00:14:53.340 to do it

00:14:54.100 in the context

00:14:54.660 of collaboration

00:14:55.700 let's get the West

00:14:57.060 working together

00:14:58.120 and I make fun

00:14:59.120 of the fact

00:14:59.520 that people forget

00:15:00.320 that there's a group

00:15:01.080 of small provinces

00:15:02.480 on the East Coast

00:15:03.800 that work collaboratively

00:15:05.080 what do they call

00:15:05.980 themselves

00:15:06.500 the Maritimes

00:15:08.060 or Atlantic Canada

00:15:09.520 Right.

00:15:10.280 and all we want

00:15:11.040 to be

00:15:11.380 is Western Canada

00:15:12.600 and that's my pitch

00:15:13.480 you know Brett

00:15:14.840 about 50 years ago

00:15:16.520 there was a radio host

00:15:17.580 in Toronto

00:15:18.000 Gordon Sinclair

00:15:18.780 who made a beautiful

00:15:20.120 love letter

00:15:20.880 to Americans

00:15:21.620 sort of

00:15:22.520 hey everyone

00:15:23.060 knocks America

00:15:23.940 but they're the first

00:15:24.980 to help in a

00:15:25.900 you know a hurricane

00:15:27.060 and they're there

00:15:28.680 you know

00:15:29.360 it went viral

00:15:31.640 before that was

00:15:32.620 sort of a phrase

00:15:33.560 it was pressed

00:15:34.940 into records

00:15:35.540 it was a bestseller

00:15:36.300 and you know

00:15:36.740 what it was

00:15:37.360 it was a guy

00:15:39.260 showing gratitude

00:15:40.960 it was

00:15:41.660 it was a national

00:15:43.000 thank you

00:15:43.900 and I think America

00:15:45.020 really wanted to hear that

00:15:46.280 because America

00:15:47.300 was like the big dad

00:15:48.840 always taking care

00:15:50.220 of things

00:15:50.640 and everyone could

00:15:51.680 make fun of dad

00:15:52.840 because he's dad

00:15:53.740 I think

00:15:54.800 there's some of that

00:15:55.880 with Alberta too

00:15:56.800 I can't

00:15:57.980 I mean

00:15:58.200 even right now

00:15:59.320 I couldn't believe it

00:16:00.320 when I heard Ontario

00:16:01.260 is now a have not province

00:16:03.100 I'm not sure

00:16:03.640 if that's the case

00:16:04.260 in 2026

00:16:05.000 but that's crazy to me

00:16:06.920 I can't recall

00:16:09.220 a time

00:16:09.900 when the premier

00:16:11.220 of Quebec

00:16:11.880 or Ontario

00:16:12.940 or any of the

00:16:13.660 Maritimes said

00:16:14.340 hey Alberta

00:16:15.220 you know what

00:16:15.920 people give you

00:16:17.280 a hard deal

00:16:18.900 but we're really

00:16:20.060 grateful

00:16:20.420 you know

00:16:20.780 hey we're Newfoundlanders

00:16:21.980 you really saved

00:16:22.880 a lot of our jobs

00:16:24.120 by hiring thousands

00:16:25.520 of our guys

00:16:26.400 hey you really

00:16:27.420 like when was

00:16:28.200 the last

00:16:28.520 I know that sounds

00:16:29.660 goofy

00:16:30.060 but it's been

00:16:31.600 the opposite

00:16:32.100 of thank you

00:16:32.800 it's you

00:16:33.680 plundering

00:16:34.600 stupid cowboy

00:16:36.360 like it's

00:16:37.240 you know

00:16:38.260 I think those things

00:16:39.340 add up

00:16:39.780 over 75 years

00:16:41.280 but you're absolutely

00:16:42.520 right again

00:16:43.000 I just think about

00:16:43.580 the three or four

00:16:44.600 decades that

00:16:45.380 you and I

00:16:45.960 have both been

00:16:46.440 involved with

00:16:46.880 the businesses

00:16:47.360 of Alberta

00:16:48.280 and Canada

00:16:48.920 our respect

00:16:50.460 for the country

00:16:51.340 people were

00:16:52.180 again

00:16:52.560 Newfoundlanders

00:16:53.880 would come out

00:16:54.400 two weeks in

00:16:55.120 one week off

00:16:55.740 they'd come

00:16:56.120 every week

00:16:57.040 to pour in

00:16:58.000 and work

00:16:58.760 and nobody

00:16:59.640 ever questioned

00:17:00.320 that

00:17:00.620 it was thoughtful

00:17:01.320 it was respectful

00:17:02.440 by the way

00:17:03.420 quick diversion

00:17:04.460 today Trump

00:17:05.760 announced that

00:17:06.400 he's going

00:17:06.820 to spank 0.98

00:17:07.600 the extremes

00:17:09.020 of climate

00:17:09.840 alarmism

00:17:10.680 I happen to be

00:17:11.680 cynical about

00:17:12.400 the impact

00:17:13.060 of CO2

00:17:14.100 but if someone

00:17:14.860 doesn't agree

00:17:15.300 with me

00:17:15.560 that's fine

00:17:16.160 just make sure

00:17:16.860 you tell China 0.62

00:17:17.720 don't tell me

00:17:18.720 China doesn't care 1.00

00:17:20.320 and the fact

00:17:21.200 that the United

00:17:21.740 States has now

00:17:22.640 acknowledged

00:17:23.260 that we need

00:17:24.320 to grow

00:17:25.240 our economy

00:17:26.800 and the best

00:17:27.900 way to do

00:17:28.420 that is to

00:17:29.340 first of all

00:17:29.900 and this is

00:17:30.240 where we as

00:17:30.820 Canadians

00:17:31.340 Albertans

00:17:32.120 we need

00:17:32.840 electricity

00:17:33.380 we ignore

00:17:34.680 everything else

00:17:35.280 we need

00:17:35.900 electricity

00:17:36.320 because everything

00:17:36.760 we do

00:17:37.200 everything in

00:17:37.900 your room

00:17:38.300 everything that's

00:17:38.820 built behind

00:17:39.300 me

00:17:39.560 everything requires

00:17:40.960 electricity

00:17:41.600 number one

00:17:42.460 and number two

00:17:43.320 is steel

00:17:44.060 how do you make

00:17:44.700 steel

00:17:45.000 ah

00:17:45.620 metallurgical

00:17:46.420 coal

00:17:46.900 we're one of the

00:17:47.600 largest producers

00:17:48.320 as a country

00:17:49.340 of metallurgical

00:17:50.060 coal in the

00:17:51.100 world

00:17:51.400 and guess what

00:17:52.240 in Ontario

00:17:53.000 they make

00:17:53.860 steel

00:17:54.460 with met

00:17:55.980 coal that comes

00:17:56.680 from the

00:17:57.760 Appalachians

00:17:58.420 we're collaborating

00:18:00.220 in so many

00:18:00.920 bizarre ways

00:18:01.740 and yet we

00:18:02.620 quietly go

00:18:03.380 oh not

00:18:04.060 quite right

00:18:04.720 and that's

00:18:05.360 where I

00:18:05.900 celebrate what

00:18:06.500 Trump's doing

00:18:07.000 and again if

00:18:07.440 people disagree

00:18:08.040 with how

00:18:08.820 he's approaching

00:18:09.400 it just make

00:18:10.240 sure China

00:18:10.720 knows first

00:18:11.400 because he's

00:18:12.400 not going to

00:18:12.880 swing his

00:18:13.300 stance right

00:18:14.780 away

00:18:15.020 I was in

00:18:16.600 Calgary a few

00:18:17.120 weeks ago

00:18:17.580 when Mark

00:18:18.060 Carney visited

00:18:18.800 Daniel Smith

00:18:19.400 and they

00:18:19.740 announced

00:18:20.120 something they

00:18:20.880 called the

00:18:21.220 MOU

00:18:21.600 the Memorandum

00:18:22.440 of Understanding

00:18:23.220 and it

00:18:24.500 dealt with a lot

00:18:25.220 of things at

00:18:25.720 once and

00:18:26.400 Premier Smith

00:18:27.080 says there

00:18:27.640 were some

00:18:27.940 real wins

00:18:28.580 in there

00:18:28.960 for Mount

00:18:29.400 Robert

00:18:29.760 and I'm

00:18:30.120 not going

00:18:30.380 to deny

00:18:30.820 that

00:18:31.220 but the

00:18:31.700 whole payoff

00:18:32.440 was supposed

00:18:33.040 to be a

00:18:33.460 pipeline

00:18:33.840 and there

00:18:34.800 were so

00:18:35.140 many front

00:18:35.760 end loaded

00:18:36.200 costs and

00:18:36.960 risks and

00:18:37.580 carbon capture

00:18:38.440 and taxes

00:18:39.420 and the

00:18:40.680 payoff

00:18:41.220 if I remember

00:18:42.540 the MOU

00:18:43.020 from memory

00:18:44.000 might not

00:18:45.920 be till

00:18:46.280 2040

00:18:46.920 and I

00:18:48.300 felt deflated

00:18:49.680 because I

00:18:50.080 wanted a

00:18:50.740 win

00:18:51.000 like I

00:18:51.340 really did

00:18:52.100 thought well

00:18:52.840 maybe this

00:18:53.260 is totally

00:18:53.620 different than

00:18:54.060 Justin Trudeau

00:18:54.860 as you know

00:18:55.820 I support a

00:18:56.760 strong

00:18:57.080 and sovereign

00:18:57.880 Alberta

00:18:58.140 within a

00:18:58.600 united Canada

00:18:59.220 I know we

00:18:59.620 might have a

00:19:00.020 bit of a

00:19:00.460 difference of

00:19:00.900 opinion on

00:19:01.440 that but I

00:19:02.280 hope people

00:19:02.840 today feel a

00:19:04.080 lot more

00:19:04.340 confident than

00:19:04.860 Canada works 0.58

00:19:05.500 than they did

00:19:05.900 a couple of

00:19:06.300 days ago

00:19:06.740 but let me

00:19:13.700 ask you this

00:19:14.220 because you're

00:19:14.580 actually in

00:19:15.160 the industry

00:19:15.860 in the month

00:19:17.500 or two since

00:19:18.460 that MOU 0.95

00:19:19.100 was announced

00:19:19.860 has there

00:19:21.120 actually been

00:19:22.100 an appetite

00:19:22.660 from oil

00:19:23.400 producers to

00:19:24.100 say hey

00:19:24.600 let's pursue

00:19:26.140 that as

00:19:26.940 opposed to

00:19:27.620 oil and

00:19:28.540 gas everywhere

00:19:29.020 else in

00:19:29.400 the world

00:19:29.620 including

00:19:29.940 Venezuela

00:19:30.400 for heaven's

00:19:31.140 sakes

00:19:31.340 like is it

00:19:32.180 attractive enough

00:19:33.140 that real

00:19:34.100 guys are

00:19:34.680 putting real

00:19:35.320 money behind

00:19:36.000 it

00:19:36.340 you know it

00:19:38.340 was yesterday

00:19:38.760 that Alex

00:19:39.300 Purvey the

00:19:39.960 executive chairman

00:19:40.760 of Synovus

00:19:41.460 came out and

00:19:42.060 said until I

00:19:43.220 can sell oil

00:19:44.140 to the world

00:19:44.860 there's not

00:19:45.520 much point in

00:19:46.240 us increasing

00:19:47.340 our capacity

00:19:48.180 so we're

00:19:49.280 going to

00:19:49.520 limit the

00:19:50.480 size of

00:19:51.100 our natural

00:19:51.540 resource

00:19:51.980 industry

00:19:52.520 without a

00:19:53.300 pipeline

00:19:53.620 now a

00:19:54.740 little bit

00:19:54.960 of background

00:19:55.400 I know a

00:19:56.060 few people

00:19:56.460 in the

00:19:56.660 pipeline

00:19:56.960 industry

00:19:57.440 and are

00:19:58.560 they dancing

00:19:59.180 are they

00:19:59.560 talking

00:19:59.980 are they

00:20:00.560 looking at

00:20:01.140 where do

00:20:01.480 we go

00:20:01.760 how do

00:20:02.040 we do

00:20:02.320 it

00:20:02.520 absolutely

00:20:03.340 I mean

00:20:04.320 it's bizarre

00:20:04.940 that the

00:20:05.520 First Nation

00:20:06.100 this group

00:20:06.580 called Coastal

00:20:07.320 First Nation

00:20:07.920 who not

00:20:08.700 First Nations

00:20:09.420 they're an

00:20:10.260 NGO funded

00:20:11.460 by the

00:20:11.860 Americans

00:20:12.260 who are

00:20:12.660 anti-energy

00:20:13.740 it's just

00:20:14.380 bullshit

00:20:14.740 or it's

00:20:15.240 nonsense

00:20:15.560 that they

00:20:16.280 exist

00:20:16.760 Carney met

00:20:17.620 with them

00:20:17.980 I poke

00:20:18.700 Carney over

00:20:19.280 why would

00:20:19.760 you meet

00:20:20.160 with people

00:20:20.660 who are

00:20:21.140 opposed to

00:20:21.600 the development

00:20:22.060 of our

00:20:22.360 country

00:20:22.700 and his

00:20:23.520 note back

00:20:24.080 was Brett

00:20:24.600 I had to

00:20:25.300 it was part

00:20:25.980 of the

00:20:26.160 communication

00:20:26.720 with the

00:20:27.540 First Nations

00:20:28.100 now going

00:20:28.640 back I'm

00:20:29.040 heavily invested

00:20:29.780 in the

00:20:30.060 Yukon

00:20:30.400 my Yukon

00:20:31.400 partners

00:20:31.960 55% of the

00:20:33.540 business that

00:20:34.120 I'm in

00:20:34.500 are First

00:20:35.500 Nation

00:20:35.800 and guess

00:20:36.620 where we're

00:20:36.880 going next

00:20:37.460 from Whitehorse

00:20:38.520 our next

00:20:39.360 investment

00:20:39.840 portfolio

00:20:40.440 Prince

00:20:41.900 Rupert

00:20:43.020 why would

00:20:43.700 we go to

00:20:43.980 Prince Rupert

00:20:44.520 as First

00:20:44.940 Nations if

00:20:45.500 they didn't

00:20:45.900 believe that

00:20:46.820 the end game

00:20:47.380 was ultimately

00:20:48.040 to properly

00:20:49.040 develop

00:20:49.680 Prince Rupert

00:20:50.740 so there's

00:20:51.380 thoughtful

00:20:51.820 leadership

00:20:52.440 inside the

00:20:53.260 First Nation

00:20:53.720 groups

00:20:54.100 there's

00:20:54.740 thoughtful

00:20:55.100 noise

00:20:55.740 irrational

00:20:56.260 noise

00:20:56.780 coming

00:20:57.320 pretending

00:20:57.880 to be

00:20:58.320 First Nation

00:20:58.920 which is

00:20:59.560 frustrating

00:20:59.980 but there's

00:21:00.640 no question

00:21:01.200 several people

00:21:02.300 who build

00:21:02.720 pipelines

00:21:03.220 are in

00:21:03.860 communication

00:21:04.480 the fact

00:21:05.440 by the way

00:21:05.960 one of the

00:21:06.300 greatest

00:21:06.520 celebrations

00:21:07.120 is the fact

00:21:08.120 that Stephen

00:21:08.660 Guybeau

00:21:09.080 resigned

00:21:09.740 when the

00:21:11.020 MOU

00:21:11.580 was imposed

00:21:12.460 and there

00:21:13.160 was something

00:21:13.500 called

00:21:13.800 clean energy

00:21:14.440 regulations

00:21:15.120 which he

00:21:16.020 had forced

00:21:16.480 upon us

00:21:17.200 I just

00:21:18.160 announced

00:21:18.600 that we

00:21:18.900 could go

00:21:19.220 through

00:21:19.420 maximum

00:21:19.720 power

00:21:20.100 we're

00:21:20.540 building

00:21:20.760 another

00:21:21.020 power

00:21:21.280 plan

00:21:21.520 600

00:21:22.600 million

00:21:24.620 dollar

00:21:25.320 investment

00:21:25.960 we wouldn't

00:21:27.100 have made

00:21:27.460 that investment

00:21:28.140 with clean

00:21:28.940 energy

00:21:29.300 regulations

00:21:29.940 because it

00:21:30.840 forcibly

00:21:31.640 punished

00:21:32.380 us

00:21:32.720 in terms

00:21:33.680 of

00:21:34.000 sorry

00:21:35.160 phone

00:21:35.600 they

00:21:36.440 purposely

00:21:37.700 punished

00:21:38.220 us

00:21:38.500 and we

00:21:38.780 just

00:21:39.060 it was

00:21:39.740 so

00:21:40.020 frustrating

00:21:40.960 in terms

00:21:41.400 of that

00:21:41.640 part of

00:21:41.940 the process

00:21:42.400 and where's

00:21:42.880 that power

00:21:43.200 plant going

00:21:43.580 to be

00:21:43.900 right near

00:21:45.300 Grand

00:21:45.640 Casha

00:21:45.960 or pardon

00:21:46.480 me

00:21:46.620 Grand

00:21:46.860 Prairie

00:21:47.240 right

00:21:47.760 well that's

00:21:48.720 exciting

00:21:48.960 yeah Grand

00:21:49.440 Prairie

00:21:49.580 and we

00:21:50.740 are talking

00:21:51.200 to the

00:21:51.520 data center

00:21:51.960 people

00:21:52.280 we are

00:21:52.600 talking

00:21:52.840 to all

00:21:53.060 those

00:21:53.240 things

00:21:53.460 but it

00:21:53.920 goes back

00:21:54.240 to the

00:21:54.500 most

00:21:54.680 important

00:21:55.060 asset

00:21:55.440 we have

00:21:56.480 in

00:21:56.680 Canada

00:21:57.060 is our

00:21:57.740 ability

00:21:58.160 to produce

00:21:59.080 electricity

00:21:59.920 right

00:22:00.380 think back

00:22:01.120 just go

00:22:01.440 back to

00:22:01.680 the big

00:22:01.920 picture

00:22:02.160 watch

00:22:02.540 what

00:22:02.740 China's 0.76

00:22:03.120 been

00:22:03.260 doing

00:22:03.540 you know

00:22:04.080 the alarmists

00:22:04.760 will say

00:22:05.140 it's all

00:22:05.460 about solar

00:22:06.000 and wind

00:22:06.520 but the

00:22:07.260 reality is

00:22:08.100 they've got

00:22:08.860 gas-fired

00:22:09.360 turbines

00:22:09.840 everywhere

00:22:10.360 and they've

00:22:11.180 got coal-fired

00:22:12.960 power plants

00:22:13.740 as well

00:22:14.220 they need

00:22:15.080 and know

00:22:15.600 they need

00:22:16.140 electricity

00:22:16.680 as they

00:22:17.440 grow their

00:22:17.800 economy

00:22:18.200 we are

00:22:19.220 getting sloppy

00:22:19.920 we're sloppy

00:22:20.720 with our grid

00:22:21.540 we're sloppy

00:22:22.380 with the

00:22:22.800 production of

00:22:23.360 power

00:22:23.700 do I believe

00:22:24.660 in nuclear

00:22:25.100 absolutely

00:22:25.820 problem is

00:22:26.640 on a per

00:22:27.400 megawatt basis

00:22:28.020 it's 10 times

00:22:28.800 the cost

00:22:29.300 of what it

00:22:30.060 would cost

00:22:30.480 to make

00:22:30.980 a gas-fired

00:22:32.000 power plant

00:22:32.620 do we have

00:22:33.300 enough gas

00:22:33.920 yeah we do

00:22:35.280 so that's

00:22:36.360 that's where it

00:22:37.040 all gets kind

00:22:37.540 of confusing

00:22:37.980 but I'm a huge

00:22:38.520 fan of

00:22:38.980 advancing

00:22:39.760 electricity

00:22:40.580 across Canada

00:22:41.720 hey I want to

00:22:43.320 ask you

00:22:43.660 something

00:22:44.100 this is just

00:22:44.680 a hunch

00:22:45.120 I have

00:22:45.520 and I

00:22:45.720 wonder what

00:22:46.160 your reaction

00:22:46.800 is

00:22:47.140 Alberta

00:22:47.980 has its

00:22:48.600 list of

00:22:49.060 issues

00:22:49.480 from the

00:22:50.640 Senate

00:22:50.900 being lopsided

00:22:51.820 to

00:22:52.060 underrepresentation

00:22:52.920 in the

00:22:53.160 House

00:22:53.460 to

00:22:53.760 government

00:22:54.680 bilingualism

00:22:55.640 keeping out

00:22:56.260 Albertans

00:22:56.640 from some

00:22:57.020 jobs

00:22:57.460 I could

00:22:59.320 list

00:22:59.480 20 of

00:22:59.880 them

00:23:00.000 that we

00:23:00.280 all know

00:23:00.820 about

00:23:01.140 but I

00:23:01.920 think that

00:23:02.720 there's

00:23:03.100 something else

00:23:04.020 that's happened

00:23:04.480 in the last

00:23:05.080 year

00:23:05.440 Mark Carney

00:23:06.680 promised he

00:23:08.200 would be the

00:23:08.580 Trump whisperer

00:23:09.580 and get her 0.81

00:23:10.400 done

00:23:10.660 and he

00:23:11.120 hasn't

00:23:11.540 in fact

00:23:11.820 he's sort

00:23:12.160 of been

00:23:12.680 poking

00:23:13.080 Trump

00:23:13.420 that works

00:23:13.880 for him

00:23:14.140 in the polls

00:23:14.580 obviously

00:23:15.140 Ontario

00:23:15.840 and Quebec

00:23:16.360 love it

00:23:17.560 how much

00:23:19.120 of the

00:23:19.660 strength

00:23:20.480 of the

00:23:20.900 independence

00:23:21.800 petition

00:23:22.360 gathering

00:23:22.860 because it

00:23:23.300 looks really

00:23:23.680 strong to

00:23:24.100 me

00:23:24.300 is Albertan

00:23:25.540 saying you

00:23:25.940 know what

00:23:26.340 it's not

00:23:26.800 just our

00:23:27.400 historic

00:23:27.980 grievances

00:23:29.160 look at

00:23:30.760 what

00:23:31.020 Mark Carney

00:23:32.080 is promising

00:23:32.780 us as

00:23:33.920 the carrot

00:23:34.440 as opposed

00:23:34.900 to the stick

00:23:35.420 a new

00:23:36.960 world order

00:23:37.580 he literally

00:23:38.320 used that

00:23:38.860 phrase when

00:23:39.380 he was in

00:23:39.780 China

00:23:40.040 he's hanging

00:23:41.180 out with

00:23:41.800 Qatar

00:23:42.420 and the

00:23:42.780 World Economic

00:23:43.360 Forum

00:23:43.780 and wants

00:23:44.240 to triangulate

00:23:45.080 against America

00:23:45.920 and like

00:23:46.800 he's doing

00:23:49.380 things that

00:23:49.980 I don't

00:23:50.320 think he

00:23:50.820 has a

00:23:51.280 mandate

00:23:51.580 for

00:23:52.000 and I

00:23:52.820 think

00:23:53.020 Albertans

00:23:53.560 are thinking

00:23:54.100 independence

00:23:55.820 gets us

00:23:56.460 to solve

00:23:57.460 old

00:23:57.920 problems

00:23:58.480 but it

00:23:58.980 also

00:23:59.320 lets

00:24:00.020 if Carney

00:24:00.580 wants to

00:24:01.060 muck about

00:24:01.580 on his

00:24:02.220 own

00:24:02.480 let's just

00:24:03.240 like I

00:24:03.580 just think

00:24:03.940 he's actually

00:24:04.680 driving

00:24:05.220 some Albertans

00:24:06.460 away with

00:24:06.920 some of his

00:24:07.380 more radical

00:24:07.900 moves

00:24:08.440 it's frustrating

00:24:09.880 and by the

00:24:10.420 way when I

00:24:10.860 talk to some

00:24:11.360 of the

00:24:11.560 separatists

00:24:12.140 and I

00:24:12.720 mean this

00:24:13.060 to be

00:24:13.300 funny

00:24:13.560 I ask

00:24:14.380 and I've

00:24:14.720 been on

00:24:15.020 stage with

00:24:15.700 small groups

00:24:16.280 to talk

00:24:16.980 about this

00:24:17.440 do you

00:24:17.880 want a

00:24:18.220 wall

00:24:18.580 like Trump

00:24:19.160 built against

00:24:19.780 the United

00:24:20.620 States

00:24:21.000 or Mexico

00:24:21.740 or do you

00:24:22.560 just want

00:24:22.820 a chain link

00:24:23.340 fence

00:24:23.720 they're looking

00:24:24.480 at me going

00:24:24.820 why would we

00:24:25.440 need a wall

00:24:25.960 or a fence

00:24:26.460 and I go

00:24:27.020 alright fine

00:24:27.580 if you don't

00:24:27.840 want a wall

00:24:28.140 or a fence

00:24:28.480 why don't we

00:24:29.060 just dig a

00:24:29.520 moat

00:24:29.800 so that

00:24:30.600 nobody can

00:24:31.100 come across

00:24:31.700 and the

00:24:32.460 point is

00:24:33.200 that it's

00:24:33.820 not physical

00:24:34.720 separation

00:24:35.420 we're not

00:24:35.900 going to

00:24:36.460 radically

00:24:36.980 change how

00:24:37.680 we get

00:24:38.440 in and out

00:24:38.900 and imagine

00:24:39.320 trying to

00:24:39.800 have border

00:24:40.740 crossings

00:24:41.400 at every

00:24:42.360 quarter section

00:24:43.320 of farmland

00:24:44.460 up and down

00:24:45.060 the Saskatchewan

00:24:45.780 Alberta border

00:24:46.400 how do we

00:24:47.220 stop that

00:24:48.220 my point is

00:24:49.960 we become a

00:24:50.840 better region

00:24:51.940 a better province

00:24:53.100 a better area

00:24:54.280 if we collaborate

00:24:55.460 and that's what I just

00:24:56.520 make fun of

00:24:57.040 separation isn't

00:24:58.240 physical

00:24:58.640 it's only

00:24:59.580 paperwork

00:25:00.200 if it's only

00:25:01.060 paperwork

00:25:01.620 why don't we

00:25:02.320 work collaboratively

00:25:03.280 so that we can

00:25:03.980 grow a nation

00:25:05.760 within a nation

00:25:06.820 not a province

00:25:08.140 but a nation

00:25:09.100 let me ask you

00:25:10.460 one last question

00:25:11.060 you've been very

00:25:11.560 generous with your

00:25:12.220 time

00:25:12.500 thank you for

00:25:13.020 that

00:25:13.240 I think

00:25:14.700 something is

00:25:15.480 cooking out

00:25:16.060 there

00:25:16.300 and I think

00:25:17.660 it's rather

00:25:18.280 leaderless

00:25:19.280 I mean there's

00:25:19.820 Jeffrey Rath

00:25:20.720 and a few

00:25:21.120 other people

00:25:22.200 who have been

00:25:22.680 thrust to the

00:25:23.640 front of it

00:25:24.000 and I'm not

00:25:24.560 knocking anyone

00:25:25.260 for their hard

00:25:25.880 work

00:25:26.100 the Alberta

00:25:26.460 Prosperity Project

00:25:27.360 has done some

00:25:28.760 hard work

00:25:29.220 but there's

00:25:29.600 it's a massive

00:25:30.980 parade that is

00:25:31.980 mustering

00:25:32.680 and there's

00:25:34.680 no

00:25:35.200 you know

00:25:36.320 seasoned

00:25:36.940 politician at the

00:25:38.080 head of it

00:25:38.500 there's no

00:25:39.080 official

00:25:40.100 guy

00:25:41.040 and that's

00:25:42.520 very rare

00:25:43.160 in politics

00:25:43.780 to have a

00:25:44.340 parade without

00:25:44.900 a parade

00:25:45.400 marshal

00:25:45.900 do you think

00:25:48.460 someone's going

00:25:49.020 to emerge

00:25:49.540 and say

00:25:49.980 you know

00:25:50.240 what

00:25:50.540 this is

00:25:52.160 the moment

00:25:52.680 the parade

00:25:53.500 wants to

00:25:54.120 march

00:25:54.340 I'm going

00:25:54.620 to start

00:25:54.900 leading the

00:25:55.300 march

00:25:55.540 because

00:25:55.980 no disrespect

00:25:56.900 to the

00:25:57.240 current team

00:25:57.640 many of whom

00:25:58.140 I know

00:25:58.400 and like

00:25:58.780 they're not

00:25:59.940 household names

00:26:00.600 they don't

00:26:00.860 have the

00:26:01.140 gravitas

00:26:01.640 like when

00:26:02.280 Preston Manning

00:26:02.940 emerged

00:26:03.420 to lead the

00:26:04.040 reform party

00:26:04.600 people sort

00:26:05.080 of knew him

00:26:05.480 and they knew

00:26:05.820 his dad

00:26:06.280 and they knew

00:26:06.700 his thinking

00:26:07.440 he had

00:26:07.920 some

00:26:08.220 you've got

00:26:09.100 some gravitas

00:26:09.920 you've got

00:26:10.500 name recognition

00:26:11.200 is there someone

00:26:12.240 like you

00:26:12.780 or Preston

00:26:13.460 who might

00:26:14.220 step forward

00:26:15.080 not Preston

00:26:15.760 this time

00:26:16.100 but step forward

00:26:17.260 and say

00:26:17.540 all right

00:26:17.940 I'm going

00:26:18.400 to take

00:26:18.660 this seriously

00:26:19.380 whether it's

00:26:20.520 to get

00:26:20.840 independence

00:26:21.300 or a strong

00:26:22.260 or else

00:26:22.740 is a man

00:26:23.640 about to

00:26:24.060 enter the

00:26:24.480 arena

00:26:24.700 or a woman

00:26:25.240 I haven't

00:26:26.960 heard of

00:26:27.420 anyone

00:26:27.780 I got

00:26:28.220 poked

00:26:28.540 a couple

00:26:28.880 years ago

00:26:29.380 at playing

00:26:29.720 a role

00:26:30.000 my health

00:26:30.680 journey

00:26:31.020 stopped me

00:26:31.680 from doing

00:26:32.020 anything

00:26:32.400 and then

00:26:33.060 as I thought

00:26:33.700 about it

00:26:34.100 my belief

00:26:34.620 as I share

00:26:35.120 with you

00:26:35.520 I'm not

00:26:36.200 anti-separation

00:26:37.420 I am

00:26:38.080 pro-collaboration

00:26:39.740 because I believe

00:26:40.480 if we work

00:26:41.380 together

00:26:41.960 we can create

00:26:43.120 an entire

00:26:43.700 nation

00:26:44.200 within a nation

00:26:45.020 Alberta alone

00:26:46.380 we're not

00:26:47.940 really connected

00:26:48.620 to the ports

00:26:49.300 we're not

00:26:49.760 really connected

00:26:50.500 and again

00:26:51.180 there's noise

00:26:51.720 over how the

00:26:52.620 First Nations

00:26:53.140 would want to be

00:26:53.820 involved

00:26:54.320 or not involved

00:26:55.520 etc

00:26:55.920 but no

00:26:57.600 I've not

00:26:58.080 seen

00:26:58.560 or heard

00:26:59.280 of anybody

00:27:00.220 with existing

00:27:01.360 high

00:27:02.080 political

00:27:02.780 profile

00:27:03.400 looking to

00:27:04.360 migrate 0.98

00:27:05.000 over to

00:27:06.080 and play

00:27:06.400 an active

00:27:06.780 role

00:27:07.040 so you're

00:27:08.080 right

00:27:08.280 there isn't

00:27:08.840 an active

00:27:09.320 leader

00:27:09.700 but the

00:27:10.540 influencers

00:27:11.140 social media

00:27:11.780 influencers

00:27:12.240 are creating

00:27:12.840 lots of

00:27:13.260 noise

00:27:13.500 I know

00:27:14.040 a few

00:27:14.300 of them

00:27:14.520 and we've

00:27:14.860 spoke

00:27:15.200 again

00:27:15.840 I'm not

00:27:16.540 anti-separation

00:27:17.540 I'm

00:27:18.040 pro-collaboration

00:27:19.020 so we've had

00:27:19.760 some great

00:27:20.180 conversations

00:27:20.880 I just don't

00:27:22.300 think there's

00:27:22.720 anybody that

00:27:23.300 I'm aware

00:27:23.780 of that's

00:27:24.240 ready to step

00:27:24.840 up and play

00:27:25.320 an active

00:27:25.680 role

00:27:25.940 well I mean

00:27:26.540 I suppose

00:27:27.060 it's not even

00:27:27.580 necessary

00:27:27.980 because it's

00:27:28.380 not a

00:27:28.700 political party

00:27:29.540 with a

00:27:29.840 leader

00:27:30.040 but it would

00:27:30.480 be quite

00:27:30.820 something

00:27:31.200 if a

00:27:31.540 Rennie

00:27:31.780 Levesque

00:27:32.240 emerged

00:27:33.260 from somewhere

00:27:34.480 to be

00:27:34.960 the keeper

00:27:35.940 of the foot

00:27:36.200 like Tamara 0.87

00:27:36.980 Leach emerged

00:27:37.620 during the

00:27:38.100 trucker convoy

00:27:38.820 you never

00:27:39.160 know

00:27:39.480 who's going

00:27:40.180 to come

00:27:40.460 out of

00:27:41.680 the woodwork

00:27:42.200 Rhett I

00:27:43.040 get the

00:27:43.540 feeling that

00:27:43.940 you will

00:27:44.260 have a

00:27:44.620 role one

00:27:45.040 way or

00:27:45.460 another

00:27:45.740 in the

00:27:46.760 future of

00:27:47.300 Alberta

00:27:47.640 you've

00:27:47.980 certainly

00:27:48.220 had a

00:27:48.600 role in

00:27:49.140 creating

00:27:49.520 its

00:27:49.800 present

00:27:50.320 great to

00:27:51.080 see you

00:27:51.360 thanks for

00:27:51.680 taking the

00:27:52.060 time

00:27:52.340 a quick

00:27:53.680 compliment

00:27:54.160 for landing

00:27:54.780 Tamara

00:27:55.220 on your

00:27:55.580 team

00:27:55.820 I just

00:27:56.580 I'm a

00:27:57.240 huge fan

00:27:57.680 of what

00:27:58.020 she tried

00:27:58.540 to do

00:27:58.980 I'm a

00:27:59.640 huge

00:28:00.020 opponent

00:28:01.140 of how

00:28:01.600 they were

00:28:01.960 treated

00:28:02.300 and I

00:28:03.120 admire

00:28:03.500 that she

00:28:03.920 stayed

00:28:04.280 the course

00:28:04.760 thank you

00:28:05.760 for that

00:28:06.060 I'll make

00:28:06.380 sure she

00:28:06.800 sees your

00:28:07.240 comment

00:28:07.540 and I

00:28:07.900 think she's

00:28:08.420 one of the

00:28:08.940 best people

00:28:09.360 I've ever

00:28:09.680 met

00:28:09.960 I mean

00:28:10.740 other people

00:28:11.540 would have

00:28:11.840 turned sour

00:28:12.680 the way she

00:28:14.060 was treated

00:28:14.540 she's become

00:28:15.340 even more

00:28:15.980 compassionate

00:28:17.740 enthused

00:28:18.500 anyway I'm a

00:28:19.340 super fan too

00:28:20.100 but thank you

00:28:20.580 for the compliment

00:28:21.440 and she can

00:28:21.900 play guitar

00:28:22.360 that's right

00:28:23.180 she sure

00:28:23.560 can

00:28:23.860 Brett great

00:28:24.380 to see you

00:28:24.760 thanks so

00:28:25.080 much for your

00:28:25.380 time

00:28:25.640 thanks Ezra

00:28:26.560 all right

00:28:27.100 there is

00:28:27.560 Brett Wilson

00:28:28.200 a super

00:28:29.120 Albertan

00:28:30.060 that's our

00:28:31.120 show for

00:28:31.420 today

00:28:31.760 until next

00:28:32.720 time on

00:28:33.220 behalf of all

00:28:33.780 of us here

00:28:34.220 at Rebel

00:28:34.740 World

00:28:35.200 Headquarters

00:28:35.760 to you at

00:28:36.220 home

00:28:36.420 good night

00:28:37.500 and keep

00:28:38.400 fighting for

00:28:38.940 freedom

00:28:51.440 down

00:29:07.560 you

00:29:08.180 you

Rebel News Podcast - February 16, 2026

EZRA LEVANT ｜ The future of Alberta： A special interview with Brett Wilson

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