Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ The Liberals are turning Canada into a surveillance state — one bill at a time

00:00:00.000 Big feature interview with my friend John Carpe of the Justice Center for Constitutional

00:00:04.000 Freedoms.

00:00:04.680 We're going to talk about the six censorship bills that the liberals are foising on us.

00:00:10.020 Seriously, they have more censorship bills than any other subject, like inflation or

00:00:15.800 the recession or military matters.

00:00:19.280 These liberals care more about censorship than anything else.

00:00:23.360 We'll take you through it.

00:00:24.240 That's ahead on today's show.

00:00:25.900 But first, let me invite you to become a subscriber to Rebel News First, Rebel News Plus, rather.

00:00:30.000 that's the video version of this podcast just go to rebelnewsplus.com click subscribe you get the

00:00:36.540 video version plus the satisfaction of helping to keep rebel news strong because we don't take

00:00:41.620 a dime from the government and it shows. Tonight, what have I told you? There weren't one,

00:01:01.260 weren't two, not three, not four, not five, but six censorship bills that the liberals are

00:01:06.860 foisting on you and me. We'll talk to John Carpe, a special edition of Rebel News.

00:01:11.620 It's July 1st.

00:01:16.120 Shame on you, you censorious bug.

00:01:28.200 Well, sometimes I'm jealous of the United States.

00:01:31.040 They seem to have a whole freedom warrior class.

00:01:35.320 And by that, I mean everything from podcasters to philanthropists to civil liberties.

00:01:41.620 public interest, law firms, and the whole gamut, including a number of TV and other media stations

00:01:48.380 fighting for freedom in Canada, it's much thinner on the ground. And it's not just the ratio of one

00:01:55.100 tenth. You know, Canada has approximately 10% the population of the U.S., so maybe we would have

00:02:01.300 one tenth the amount of stuffism. No, when it comes to fighting for freedom, they have probably

00:02:06.620 a hundred times more not ten times more but i would say one of the leading figures in canada

00:02:12.000 who fights for freedom every day is our very special guest today his name is john carpe

00:02:17.840 he's the founder of the justice center for constitutional freedom and he joins us now

00:02:23.280 from calgary to talk about the ongoing war against our freedoms being prosecuted by the federal

00:02:29.660 liberal government joining us now is john great to see you thanks for joining us again so glad

00:02:35.160 to be with you Ezra with all your viewers and listeners well you know we've been following you

00:02:39.720 actually even before rebel news was born at sun news network we used to follow what you were doing

00:02:45.180 and we even crowdfunded we we were practicing crowdfunding back in the day i remember um you

00:02:51.380 know it's been 10 years or 11 years since rebel news is around and you guys have grown and fought

00:02:55.580 a lot of important fights uh and uh i think in some ways the battle has never been more ominous

00:03:03.180 i want to talk about a new project you guys have and it deals with the so-called safe

00:03:09.320 social media act and you know i i think uh it ought to be one of robert conquest laws that

00:03:17.440 that um you know a bill with a name like that typically does the opposite of what it's called

00:03:26.840 so the safe social media act is really the opposite of what it claims to be tell us about

00:03:33.080 Bill C-34 and the so-called Safe Social Media Act.

00:03:37.500 Why is it actually unsafe?

00:03:39.780 Why is it actually a threat to our freedoms?

00:03:43.920 It's one more building block of the surveillance state, and it's absolutely terrifying.

00:03:49.420 We are rapidly moving towards a situation where six months from now, or perhaps 12 months, 24 months, 36 months,

00:03:57.680 But coming up soon, we're moving towards a communist China social credit type system where the government has access to where you are and who you communicate with and what you do and your purchases, your movements, so on and so forth.

00:04:17.620 Each of the bills seem – let me do a super quick review.

00:04:23.460 We had the Online Streaming Act, Bill C-11, gave the Canadian Radio, Television, and Telecommunications Commission, the CRTC, gave them legal authority over the internet, which they previously, it was just radio and television, not the internet.

00:04:36.640 So the Online Streaming Act, Bill C-11, has empowered the CRTC, given them legal authority over the internet.

00:04:42.840 They have not been throwing their weight around yet, but the legal authority is in place.

00:04:46.720 So that's a building block.

00:04:48.320 The Online News Act.

00:04:49.580 You cannot share news links on Facebook anymore.

00:04:53.140 That was Bill C-18.

00:04:55.520 Yeah, the Cybersecurity Act, Bill 8, has passed,

00:04:58.920 and by which federal cabinet ministers can kick Canadian off the Internet,

00:05:03.220 and the companies have to install their software in a way that the government likes.

00:05:09.960 And the government, through the Cybersecurity Act, takes control over private corporations,

00:05:15.060 substantial control over how they set up their communication software.

00:05:21.520 Yeah, the Combating Hate Act, Bill C-9, has passed, further reducing free speech in Canada.

00:05:26.320 With the Lawful Access Act, Bill 22 requires the companies to build surveillance and interception capacity into their software.

00:05:37.060 We've had companies like Signal and Telegram say they're going to pull out of Canadian operations because of the Lawful Access Act.

00:05:46.320 So this is now the sixth bill, and it's another bill.

00:05:49.940 So the Safe Social Media Act, of course, it's to protect the children, right?

00:05:56.620 You've heard this before.

00:05:57.960 You know, surely you're not against protecting the children from harm.

00:06:01.060 So among other things, it's going to try to put in a ban on teens under 16 using social media.

00:06:10.760 So I'll pause there.

00:06:12.580 But this is one of a half dozen building blocks of the civilian state.

00:06:16.260 you said you've listed six and i think there's another one that's that's gathering and that's

00:06:25.000 the online harms act trudeau introduced it in his term but it it didn't pass by the time parliament

00:06:31.340 was pro-road so i guess that would be a seventh i don't know i don't think they've introduced that

00:06:36.400 one again am i correct the online harms act well yes and no bill bill c34 or the safe social media

00:06:43.920 act one of the many terrible things it does is it establishes a digital safety commission and that

00:06:50.040 makes it like that makes it like the online harms act the online harms act would establish a digital

00:06:55.880 safety commission with immense broad powers to regulate content and to they would get a high

00:07:03.540 degree of compliance because they would tell any platform if you don't comply with our regulations

00:07:08.320 passed by the federal cabinet in secret without any accountability to parliament, right?

00:07:13.680 So it's a blank check for the federal cabinet to write the restrictions on speech on the

00:07:21.080 internet, and the Digital Safety Commission enforces those restrictions, can penalize

00:07:26.280 companies up to $10 million or 3% of their global revenues.

00:07:30.060 So you can bet your last dollar that the companies are going to be compliant.

00:07:37.060 compliant. They'll be the censors. The companies will be taking down any quote, and they'll be

00:07:43.220 taking down content. If they think that there's a chance that they're going to get a $10 million

00:07:48.080 fine because of the content, it'll be the companies taking it down in order to please

00:07:53.980 the Digital Safety Commission, which has the power to punish. And so you're not necessarily

00:07:59.840 going to see prosecutions of individual Canadians per se, but you're going to see the social media

00:08:05.280 platforms uh removing all kinds of content you know you're so right i know one of the demands is

00:08:11.220 that things be adjudicated and removed within 24 hours that was the target in the previous bill

00:08:18.000 um so just think about it so let's say it's friday night at 11 p.m everyone's about to go to bed i

00:08:25.740 suppose some youngsters are still out having fun but old guys like you and me are ready for bed so

00:08:30.400 at 11 p.m someone files a complaint and you know people wake up on saturday morning it's the

00:08:36.500 weekend let's say you wake up at nine or you don't look at your email so now there's been a complaint

00:08:42.120 that's been filed 10 hours ago how do you have a hearing how do you check on things how do you hear

00:08:49.280 from the other party how do you judge things because if you don't get it down within 24 hours

00:08:54.520 like you say there's a whopping fine so like you say any rational company would say okay there's

00:09:02.280 some tweet or some facebook post or some instagram post by someone and yeah we value free speech but

00:09:09.520 on the other hand if we make the wrong decision and we only have like six hours to get it right

00:09:14.960 we could be on millions it's a no-brainer what the company's going to do and by the way some

00:09:20.180 these companies secretly like to censor anyways so there is simply i mean does the government do

00:09:26.180 anything in 24 hours does the government processes work in 24 hours no but that's how fast they

00:09:31.280 expect these social media platforms to work or they get like you say three percent of your global

00:09:36.120 it's a global revenue fine so a company like facebook which has global revenues in the billions

00:09:42.140 canada says oh we'll take three percent of that thank you very little

00:09:45.780 the other in addition to the platforms taking down content uh you know they're gonna as you

00:09:55.460 explained it they're gonna err on the side of caution right uh if you're in doubt if you think

00:09:59.780 it might net you a 10 million dollar fine you're gonna there's gonna be an awful lot of censorship

00:10:05.020 that way the other frightening thing is the big step towards the uh identification okay if you

00:10:13.360 want to make it illegal for teens under 16 or children under 16 to access social media,

00:10:20.040 the only way to do that is you have a foolproof digital ID system in place where everybody

00:10:29.200 has to prove their age when they access social media. Because in Australia, which has had this

00:10:36.060 ban in place since December 2025, so they've had it for just over six months, 70% failure rate in

00:10:42.620 australia because the kids were they would use a a printed mesh mask or they would use fake id or

00:10:51.040 they borrow the id from their older brother sister older friend from their parents so three months

00:10:56.320 after the e-safety commissioner so this is an australian government official said that over

00:11:01.440 two-thirds of teenagers were under 16 were still uh were still on social media so it wasn't working

00:11:09.340 Now, you might think, okay, well, so it doesn't work.

00:11:11.520 Well, no, here's where it gets really tricky.

00:11:13.900 The push is going to be on facial recognition.

00:11:17.620 And what you're going to hear, this creates a space where people are going to say, you know what, the only way to protect the children is to have a requirement where everybody of all ages, you have to prove your age every time that you access social media.

00:11:32.420 and from there it's not another you know if we need to protect the children from social media

00:11:37.120 don't we also need to protect the children from the internet and we very quickly get to this place

00:11:41.840 where uh we have to identify ourselves each and every time we use the internet and now you're

00:11:46.920 into a total surveillance state so that's what it's leading towards yeah i mean because if you're

00:11:52.500 trying to find the people who are under 16 obviously that means you have to identify those

00:11:58.320 who are over 16 because you are dividing the two groups so you every single adult will have to

00:12:04.560 identify and introduce themselves and be presumably tracked in whatever way the government insists on

00:12:11.020 the tracking so it's actually using children as a bait and switch you know there are a lot of things

00:12:16.180 i don't think children should do i mean buying alcohol buying marijuana there's a marijuana shop

00:12:23.060 in every strip mall in this country.

00:12:27.060 There's a lot of things for which kids aren't supposed to do,

00:12:30.840 and they're either regulated by, I mean,

00:12:33.900 I think in many cases regulated by parents.

00:12:36.920 The idea that the government cares more about kids,

00:12:40.780 I mean, I think parents wouldn't mind some tools,

00:12:43.820 but there are tools right now.

00:12:45.580 I've got kids, and they've got phones,

00:12:48.200 And I can set their phones to block certain apps, use certain apps for only a certain amount of time a day, like half an hour instead of endless, to block certain times like after 10 p.m. or something.

00:13:03.760 So there are a lot of tools that a parent can do to look after kids.

00:13:08.220 I think this is sort of blurring a few things.

00:13:10.120 It's saying, well, we are going to step in the place of parents, and because of that, we need this vast power.

00:13:18.840 How about just let parents do the blocking as can happen right now?

00:13:24.520 I couldn't agree more.

00:13:26.660 And this whole safety thing, governments never take away rights and freedoms without offering a nice-sounding pretext.

00:13:33.760 And so many terrible things are promoted in the name of safety, right?

00:13:38.300 We need to have the government spy on you and have surveillance and have the government be allowed to read your email to keep you safe from terrorists.

00:13:47.360 You know, you don't want terrorists running wild and, you know, blowing up buildings.

00:13:50.880 So, you know, we need the surveillance state or we need to protect you from the nasty neighbor next door who's going to attack and invade us.

00:13:58.840 Or we need to keep you safe from the communists, from the Jews, from the fascists, from, you know, the weather. 0.67

00:14:06.560 We've got to protect you from the weather because, you know, we have to prevent the climate holocaust. 0.72

00:14:10.500 There's always safety is a very common theme in the violation of rights and freedoms.

00:14:16.240 And you've seen it from the communists in Russia to the national socialists in Germany.

00:14:21.940 You know, you can take away all your rights and freedoms to keep you safe and on and on throughout history.

00:14:26.580 So now it's, yeah, we've got to protect the children.

00:14:29.520 So we have to, you know, step further towards the surveillance state.

00:14:33.960 And this is where we're heading with these half dozen bills. Five of them passed. Online Streaming Act, Online News Act, Cybersecurity Act, Combating Hate Act, Lawful Access Act. Correct me if I'm wrong, I think all five of those have passed. Maybe one or two are still stuck in the Senate.

00:14:50.520 And now we've got Bill C-34 is the sixth bill, if you exclude the Online Harms Act.

00:14:56.720 They're all building blocks.

00:14:58.080 You have to look at the thing together, these bills.

00:15:01.280 Because in isolation, each one is not necessarily too terrible.

00:15:05.840 But you put them together, and wow, you're looking at the building blocks of a surveillance state where the government can spy on every move, every internet search, every email we send, everything we do.

00:15:18.500 yeah you know and you know you're talking about well what if there's a climate emergency

00:15:23.920 you know i think if you give the government emergency powers they're going to declare an

00:15:30.380 emergency all the time i mean think about the truckers what was the truckers the truckers were

00:15:35.080 a group of people honking their horns in ottawa and then they stopped stopped honking their horns

00:15:40.160 when a judge ordered them to stop and they did and the only thing they did in addition to that

00:15:45.640 is there were some parking offenses, parking tickets, that's it. There was no violence. They

00:15:49.700 didn't storm any building. Yet Trudeau, with the approval of his attorney general, David Lamedi,

00:15:55.540 put the entire country under a form of martial law and used that not only to get physical with

00:16:02.220 the truckers, but to seize and freeze bank accounts without judicial process. So if some

00:16:08.200 truckers honking their horns can be an emergency, of course there'll be a climate emergency. Of

00:16:13.340 course there'll be another pandemic the governments love that so much so they will let me give you one

00:16:19.320 more example my friend tommy robinson in the uk he was stopped under the terrorism act they knew he

00:16:24.520 wasn't a terrorist but one of the things of the terrorism act in the uk is the police can demand

00:16:29.420 your cell phone password and if you don't give it to them that's an offense so tommy robinson no one

00:16:35.680 in the in the world including his critics thinks tommy is a terrorist they might think he's wrong

00:16:40.480 they might think his opinions are unwise no one thinks he was arrested under that terrorism act

00:16:47.360 and because he wouldn't give his phone password he was charged under the act and it certainly

00:16:52.360 sounds terrible that that is a further step down the road one more uk example john

00:16:57.560 is according to the times of london which is a very prestigious newspaper

00:17:01.440 on average 30 people a day in the united kingdom are arrested for things they write on social

00:17:08.580 media and i'm not talking about kids i'm talking about grown-ups talking typically about immigration

00:17:13.860 or migrants so i don't know there's a lot of you mentioned uh i think you mentioned australia

00:17:20.120 and how this doesn't work but the government is sticking with it new zealand france germany uk

00:17:26.340 ireland there is a global wave and canada is on the wrong side of that

00:17:31.900 well you know we have to um keep on speaking truth and hope that more people will wake up

00:17:41.700 because what's so insidious is you don't feel the consequences the next day like right now

00:17:46.340 as you and i speak the crtc has substantial control over the internet in canada have they

00:17:53.860 exercised it much since this bill was passed almost three years ago i'm not aware of them

00:18:00.700 flexing their muscle. But the point is the legislation is there. And it's the same with

00:18:05.460 the Cybersecurity Act, Lawful Access Act, ordering companies to set up their own computer software

00:18:13.400 in a way that it is easy for the government to come in there and access, ordering companies to

00:18:21.360 keep, ordering the telecommunications companies to keep data on file for six months so that they've

00:18:29.420 got every phone call you made every text that you sent and where you were when you made them this

00:18:36.080 is all data which companies are being required to keep so the the danger here is that the government

00:18:43.040 does not necessarily uh crack down and flex its muscle and actually use the legal powers that it

00:18:49.880 has acquired the day after the bill comes into force but these are the building blocks and that's

00:18:55.540 what makes it so insidious because you try to explain to people look this is really dangerous

00:18:59.640 and they say well like i haven't noticed anything different the last three years since these bills

00:19:03.680 passed and and that might be true for probably for the vast majority of people you're still you know

00:19:09.500 you're using the internet you're using social media you're sending texts to friends you're

00:19:13.740 you're sending emails uh you're recording videos you're posting videos you're doing all this stuff

00:19:19.180 But the laws are being put in place and the noose is tightening. And so we need a concerted effort in the fall. I don't realistically expect people to be focused on politics too much in July and August. But in September, we need to hit the ground running and hit back hard at Bill C-34.

00:19:38.520 Yeah. Well, you know, the government is testing things out. Let me give you an example from British Columbia. I'm not sure if you followed this case. There was an activist who criticized, who didn't like how this activist was described on Twitter, on X.

00:20:02.460 and so this activist and there's a court order against using their name so i won't

00:20:07.780 um goes to the bc human rights tribunal and and said oh and gets it and demands that x or twitter

00:20:17.780 block canadians from seeing certain posts okay so a canadian complains that certain posts are

00:20:26.600 inappropriate so twitter agrees blocks it from canada but doesn't block it in the united states

00:20:33.840 because the canadian law doesn't run that far the bc human rights tribunal says we said block it

00:20:40.680 we mean block it you didn't block it in the united states of america 100 000 fine so the bc human

00:20:50.980 rights tribunal hit twitter with a hundred thousand dollar fine because they wouldn't

00:20:57.140 listen to a canadian activist demanding censorship of americans so if that's what the bc human rights

00:21:05.640 tribunal is doing which really has no mandate in this sphere you can only imagine what these new

00:21:12.020 censorship boards are going to try and do when they actually have the powers that you described

00:21:17.840 earlier to have massive fines um i don't know if you heard of that case but it's uh i think that

00:21:24.420 twitter or x is appealing have you heard of that one does that ring a bell no but uh

00:21:30.680 i would hope i would hope that they're going to fight back against that twitter i'm sure you know

00:21:37.660 they have some money they would have a lawyer they would say no we're not gonna we're not gonna pay

00:21:41.400 a hundred thousand dollar fine on on the order of some kangaroo court in uh but i mentioned that

00:21:48.500 and you know i'll send you the case later for your interest is that these would-be censors are

00:21:54.680 not limited by anything like legal precedent or you know or any legal concepts like uh where the

00:22:02.600 jurisdiction runs what the appropriate form is they're woke radical activists in some cases

00:22:08.420 they're not lawyers they're just activists who were appointed to these six-figure positions

00:22:13.080 and until someone stops them of course they're going to whack Elon Musk with a hundred grand

00:22:18.200 if they could they'd probably hit him with a hundred million um just because I mean they're

00:22:22.560 they're radical activists and actually in a way that may give us a hint as where salvation's

00:22:30.300 going to come John I don't know if there's any Canadian court that's going to save us I don't

00:22:34.900 know i don't think there's any canadian political body that's going to save us now that carney has

00:22:40.660 sort of forced his majority i think we might be saved in the end by the united states under our

00:22:47.960 trade agreements because we've just been talking about whacking elon musk's twitter or facebook

00:22:54.820 instagram tick tock you know you name it these social media companies they're all american and

00:23:02.280 And so if you have Canadian politicians saying, oh, we're going to take 3% of your global

00:23:07.600 revenues, all right, well, maybe the U.S. trade representative has something to say about

00:23:11.420 that.

00:23:12.100 And Donald Trump has appointed a senior diplomat, Sarah Rogers.

00:23:16.780 I'm not sure if you're familiar with her, John.

00:23:18.120 She's the undersecretary of state, focused on freedom of speech.

00:23:24.460 So her job around the world is to promote American values of free speech.

00:23:31.560 Here's a clip of her speaking in the United Kingdom a couple of days ago at the ARC conference.

00:23:37.860 That was the thing that Jordan Peterson put together.

00:23:40.140 Here's a clip of Sarah Rogers. 0.96

00:23:42.460 Ten years ago, Brits made the same choice the Pilgrims did. 0.95

00:23:47.480 They left Europe in a bid to remain English. 0.55

00:23:52.460 The Brits voting for Brexit thought this would free them from a fake consensus

00:23:56.760 that seemed to strangle the post-war West and dictate decline.

00:24:01.560 A fake consensus that you could never turn back the boats.

00:24:05.840 A fake consensus that our good lives represented ill-gotten gains to be redistributed through

00:24:11.740 open borders.

00:24:13.200 A fake consensus that generating electricity or building anything from a train to a house

00:24:18.940 was presumptively forbidden.

00:24:22.300 Overthrowing that consensus is what Britain voted for, but it's not what Britain got.

00:24:27.880 If you take your cues from your social media feed, what Britain got instead was a meme

00:24:34.840 dystopia called the UK.

00:24:38.580 In the UK, you can be remanded without bail for an inflammatory tweet, while a psychopath

00:24:44.920 who seizes a three-year-old and feeds him to crocodiles walks free.

00:24:49.880 In the UK, the moral sense of jurors won't save you, because jury trials for speech crimes

00:24:55.120 are abolished.

00:24:55.860 In the UK, a girl can escape from a rape gang, flag down a police constable, and discover

00:25:03.080 that the cop is in league with the rapists. 0.71

00:25:06.560 In the UK, you get a free car for pretending to be disabled.

00:25:10.420 In the UK, cops defer to a murderer who calls his victim a racist, then they handcuff you 0.97

00:25:16.580 as you bleed to death if you're white. 0.70

00:25:20.000 That's the Britain you see online. 0.97

00:25:22.380 And I'm not here to tell you, as your reminders do, that it's all misinformation or mirage.

00:25:28.460 But this demoralizing doom cartoon, the UK, also is not the real Britain.

00:25:34.980 It riffs on the worst headlines, but it omits something more important.

00:25:40.220 The English people.

00:25:41.220 John, Sarah Rogers is so tough when it comes to freedom of speech. 1.00

00:25:45.440 And her job is, like I say, she's in the State Department. 0.99

00:25:49.220 So she's not fighting domestic battles.

00:25:51.780 She's not with the Department of Justice. 1.00

00:25:53.780 She's fighting foreign battles.

00:25:56.200 She's saying to the UK, Ireland, Germany, France, she's saying to them, we're allies

00:26:02.660 because we have shared values.

00:26:04.680 Don't you dare throw out those shared values.

00:26:07.100 What do you make of that?

00:26:10.060 Peter Menzies recently in The Epoch Times had a great piece on how the Carnic government

00:26:15.220 just backing down on a lot of its CRTC and taxes and very well written.

00:26:24.300 And so the United States sees it as a trade irritant.

00:26:29.240 So we have a reality.

00:26:30.280 You can thump your chest and scream at the top of your lungs about how you hate Donald

00:26:35.320 Trump or whatever.

00:26:36.560 You can do that.

00:26:37.440 And there's a reality here that economic prosperity requires good access to the American markets.

00:26:45.980 So when the U.S. says that some things are a trade irritant and one of these bills, and I apologize, I should know about it.

00:26:54.280 It could have been the Online Streaming Act or the Online News Act.

00:26:57.380 But one of these bills is a trade irritant.

00:26:59.620 And you see the federal government backing down on it because if they want to, if they're serious about generating economic prosperity for Canada, you can't just, you know, give the middle finger to a powerful neighbor who describes one of your laws as a trade irritant.

00:27:17.860 Yeah. You know, I met with the U.S. ambassador a couple of months ago. I talked to him about some of these issues. And, you know, the number one thing I think Canada has to lose in a trade war is the auto sector, because the auto sector in Canada has access to the world's best market.

00:27:35.400 and that's really it there's not a lot of rational reasons for that um I mean if you're in Donald

00:27:43.700 Trump's position there's no electoral votes electoral college votes in Ontario why not

00:27:48.640 just move those factories down to Michigan Ohio Indiana etc like why not like literally why do

00:27:53.940 you care and that's the most vulnerable I mean when it comes to Alberta's exports oil and gas

00:27:59.680 you can't replace what you're going to replace them with Iranian oil so Americans need to buy

00:28:05.820 oil sands oil no matter what they don't need to buy autos from made in Ontario no matter what

00:28:12.240 they just don't and so every time these other issues come up where where Mark Carney says he's

00:28:18.240 going to you know take on America in this field or that field if I was a Canadian auto worker I

00:28:25.060 would be so nervous because i am the hostage in this negotiation it's not the albert oil and gas

00:28:31.660 company they would sell oil no matter what i would be very nervous in the if i looked at these six

00:28:38.180 censorship bills you've described and knowing how it every single one of them in some way

00:28:44.560 offends u.s economic interests i would be terrified that the canadian government is going to put

00:28:50.960 ideological radicalism above my autoworker's job. What do you think of that?

00:28:58.120 Well, it's very true. And part and parcel of that as well is the risk of end-to-end encrypted

00:29:04.860 services like Signal and Telegram that have already said, and once the bill is proclaimed

00:29:14.340 into force and actually takes effect, they've said they're going to leave Canada. There's all

00:29:19.240 these companies um that are uh that have stated publicly that they're not going to be a service

00:29:26.900 provider or they're going to move their headquarters out of canada so then we'll

00:29:33.160 we'll be a backwater uh in in some ways because the the legal media will be

00:29:40.440 will be under surveillance by government and i apologize i don't know enough about how technology

00:29:46.320 works as to how easy or hard it would be for Canadians to acquire US accounts. But it might

00:29:52.580 be at a point where, you know, if you and I want to have a private confidential conversation, we

00:29:56.980 both need to somehow figure out a way to register in the US, you know, set up American phone numbers

00:30:03.280 or something so we can talk to each other without being intercepted. This is what we're moving

00:30:08.260 towards. So I hope more Canadians, especially people in Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada,

00:30:14.920 I hope there's more people that wake up.

00:30:18.600 It's funny you say that.

00:30:19.680 Sarah Rogers set up a website sort of like what you just described for freedom of speech for Brits to access. 0.98

00:30:29.080 So you're on the same wavelength as the U.S. free speech advocate.

00:30:33.460 Let me close with something that just popped into my head yesterday.

00:30:37.760 Elon Musk really revived freedom of speech by buying Twitter, expanding free speech, sacking thousands of censors.

00:30:48.580 He fired 80% of the people there, and the quality of the engineering went up because he didn't fire anyone actually useful.

00:30:55.060 He fired all these HR types who their central role was content censorship.

00:31:02.640 And he said, no, we're just going to follow the law.

00:31:04.640 So if it's lawful, it's allowed.

00:31:06.960 Okay, that's a pretty good rule of thumb.

00:31:08.900 And it's just, not only has that been incredibly important,

00:31:12.440 but it's created pressure on other social media platforms

00:31:16.300 like YouTube to get a bit freer too.

00:31:18.600 And it made me think of Mars.

00:31:21.280 And I know that sounds funny, John,

00:31:23.980 but I don't know if you're following Elon Musk

00:31:26.000 and his IPO for the company SpaceX,

00:31:29.180 which was the largest IPO in history.

00:31:31.700 And his pay package is based on milestones.

00:31:35.820 he has zero salary i don't know if you know that elon musk has no salary at spacex but he gets

00:31:41.580 tranches of shares based on milestones and one of the milestones and i it's just it almost sounds

00:31:48.800 crazy to say it but the the top milestone is if a million people are living on mars he gets a

00:31:57.740 certain pay package so he's got you know with tesla it's how many robot cars are there how many

00:32:04.080 of these robots like he's building robots at tesla one of his milestones at spacex is a million

00:32:10.860 people on mars and part of me thinks how is that even possible if you try to get a million people

00:32:15.260 live somewhere on earth it would be hard to do but maybe maybe people would go to mars for the

00:32:20.880 adventure the last frontier maybe you would attract you know all sorts of people who think

00:32:27.700 this is the moment i want to be first in the space and here's my point john besides telling

00:32:31.820 you some elon musk stories what if mars was a free speech planet and what and i think it might

00:32:40.900 if elon musk is shaping a new planet maybe it would be a place of great freedom i don't know

00:32:47.240 i was just like imagine a million people on mars in an elon musk world and i know this sounds like

00:32:52.120 a weird science fiction thing but maybe it's something to think about of doing things over

00:32:58.160 again starting from scratch with a freedom-based planetary constitution i don't know maybe this is

00:33:05.140 too silly a thing to ask but maybe that's the place where we run to john where when we're

00:33:10.760 completely censored down here on earth maybe we get into a rocket ship and go up to mars i'm just

00:33:16.060 brainstorming here i'm just engaging in some brainstorming well you're you're underscoring

00:33:22.240 a powerful argument against globalism

00:33:25.600 and world government,

00:33:27.240 my biggest objection, and there are many,

00:33:29.520 is that if you have world government, right,

00:33:32.240 if you actually have where the countries

00:33:34.740 become like provinces

00:33:36.240 and you actually have a leader of the world

00:33:39.360 and a real world government,

00:33:41.600 you no longer have a place to escape to, you see.

00:33:44.580 So we need, I prefer,

00:33:45.840 I know there's a downside to having 200 countries

00:33:47.980 because they squabble and they get into wars

00:33:49.980 and, you know, war is terrible.

00:33:52.020 people die in wars you know there's downsides to it but it's good to still have another place where

00:33:58.340 you can escape to or even if you can't escape you can see another country where they're doing

00:34:03.580 things differently and potentially you can move there that's a healthy competition that we

00:34:09.620 desperately need so you know if whether the the mars project works or not you've made a very

00:34:16.600 powerful argument against world government and for the preservation of national sovereignty

00:34:22.240 for all of the 200 or so uh countries in the world i think you're right and that's one of the

00:34:28.400 reasons i hate this censorship cooperation that i see amongst france germany uk ireland and canada

00:34:34.760 right now well thanks for indulging me my daydreaming about mars but i just sort of put

00:34:39.440 the two pieces together his mars pay package and his belief in free speech and i thought wouldn't

00:34:44.940 that be something anyways maybe we'll live to see the day john great to see you keep up the great

00:34:49.620 work at the justice center thank you your website is jccf.ca am i right correct correct yeah all right

00:34:56.200 well we can't say enough for the work you've been doing you've been doing it for more than a decade

00:34:59.660 keeping people free and promoting freedom keep at it and we'll talk to you soon talk to you soon

00:35:05.040 take care right on well there he is john carpe talking about all sorts of censorship and answering

00:35:10.780 my silly question about Marge, 0.91

00:35:12.140 but maybe one day it won't be so silly. 0.67

00:35:14.480 Until next time,

00:35:15.460 on behalf of us here at Rebel News,

00:35:17.960 to you at home, good night,

00:35:19.880 and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - July 02, 2026

EZRA LEVANT ｜ The Liberals are turning Canada into a surveillance state — one bill at a time

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