Rebel News Podcast - November 09, 2026


EZRA LEVANT ｜ The new jobs numbers are in： outside Alberta, Canada is losing jobs

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00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. I'm going to throw a bunch of numbers at you today. And it's only because
00:00:03.280 Francois-Philippe Champagne threw a bunch of numbers at you over the weekend
00:00:06.840 about the latest jobs numbers, but I think he's fibbing and I'll
00:00:10.380 go straight to Statistics Canada to prove my point. Canada used to have the strongest middle
00:00:16.360 class in the world. That's according to the New York Times just 12 years ago. Now what?
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00:00:46.300 Tonight, Statistics Canada just dropped the October jobs numbers,
00:00:59.560 and outside of Alberta, Canada's losing jobs.
00:01:03.820 It's November 9th, and this is The Ezra LeVance Show.
00:01:05.920 You're fighting for freedom!
00:01:09.100 Shame on you, you sensorism bug!
00:01:16.300 Remember 2014? I do.
00:01:24.060 The New York Times ran a big story they called Upshot.
00:01:27.500 David Lennart and Kevin Queeley, big.
00:01:30.140 They were so proud of this piece.
00:01:31.420 They looked at the Luxembourg Income Study, it was called,
00:01:35.380 and they said something that made Canadians, I don't know,
00:01:39.040 it surprised me, I don't know about you,
00:01:41.100 Canada's middle class had caught up with the Americans.
00:01:45.560 and then passed them. 0.74
00:01:49.500 It's just unbelievable.
00:01:51.880 Median after-tax income for a Canadian family of four
00:01:56.480 was more than 75 grand, drawing even with the U.S. in 2010
00:02:01.480 and, then they wrote in 2014, now most likely higher.
00:02:07.420 New York Times.
00:02:08.940 We had the richest middle class in the world.
00:02:12.580 That was the result of the Harper years and Canada's natural blessings.
00:02:18.140 And then Justin Trudeau showed up.
00:02:20.840 We're proposing a strong and real plan, one that invests in the middle class so that we can grow the economy,
00:02:27.660 not from the top down the way Mr. Harper wants to, but from the heart outwards.
00:02:32.680 That's what Canada has always done well with.
00:02:35.400 From the heart outwards, Care Bear economics.
00:02:38.900 and that middle class and those working hard to join it,
00:02:42.860 as Trudeau always said, that was his slogan over and over.
00:02:46.100 He had a theory about the budget, too.
00:02:48.240 In this economic climate,
00:02:50.000 how committed to a balanced budget would you be right now?
00:02:54.060 Would it worry you to go into deficit in this current climate
00:02:56.480 to, as you say, put more people to work?
00:02:58.840 The commitment needs to be a commitment to grow the economy
00:03:02.580 and the budget will balance itself.
00:03:05.160 Grow the economy, budgets balance themselves.
00:03:08.900 How's that working out?
00:03:10.580 I'll show you.
00:03:11.880 Statistics Canada's own labor force survey released just three days ago.
00:03:16.480 And these are the October numbers going back to November, 2015.
00:03:20.300 That's the month the liberals took power to October, 2026.
00:03:24.580 That's the latest data.
00:03:26.780 Public sector employees, 3.49 million out of 4.49 million.
00:03:33.680 So public sector employees, 1 million more of them.
00:03:38.900 plus 28% private sector employees, 11.7 million up to 13.8 million.
00:03:46.900 So it was up 2 million, but it's only up 18.3%.
00:03:51.380 Did you get that?
00:03:52.420 Public payrolls grew faster, a lot faster.
00:03:57.140 The Fraser Institute ran the same stats can series by year from 2015 to 2024.
00:04:02.820 Public sector employment up 27%, private sector up 13%,
00:04:06.980 roughly twice as fast the growth of government.
00:04:10.580 The makers were holding up twice as many takers.
00:04:15.780 Their 2015 2025 update, public up 29%, non-public up 15%.
00:04:20.780 That's not sustainable.
00:04:22.500 I think that's the single most damning jobs number of the liberal decade.
00:04:26.060 Not that Canada created no jobs,
00:04:29.420 that the government grew its own payroll almost twice as fast
00:04:32.660 and the private economy that pays for it.
00:04:34.940 That's why you're not getting the head.
00:04:37.260 Public jobs are now 21% of all employment, up from 19.5% in 2015,
00:04:43.060 and almost one in three net new jobs since November 15th, public sector.
00:04:49.680 That's really who this government works for, who they are loyal to,
00:04:52.900 and who's loyal to them.
00:04:54.140 People who work for the government are the source of support for the government.
00:04:59.020 But look at who got left behind, young people, ages 15 to 24.
00:05:03.700 form. Unemployment rate, 12.2% when Harper left. On the revised series, 13.7% now. Youth unemployment
00:05:14.120 rate, that's right, youth employment rate, this is a key factor, 56.5% down to 54%. So fewer are even
00:05:23.220 trying to get jobs. They're not even looking. Ontario youth are even worse. 13.2% unemployed
00:05:30.740 back in 2015, that's up to 16% now.
00:05:34.960 One in six Ontarians looking for work can't find it.
00:05:39.820 The status scan itself said youth unemployment hit a 15-year high
00:05:43.680 in September 2025, pandemic years aside.
00:05:48.840 And I know I'm throwing a lot of stats at you,
00:05:50.740 but I'm just trying to point out that when Francois Philippe Champagne
00:05:54.120 and Mark Carney Crowe about this budget, that's not the facts.
00:05:58.140 That's their PR. The population of working age Canadians jumped 5.7 million since November 2015, but employment only rose 3.23 million.
00:06:12.020 The employment rate, the employment rate is the number of people looking to work, trying to work.
00:06:16.980 Again, it fell from 61.3 down to 60 percent. Fewer people are even trying.
00:06:22.520 How could you compete with temporary foreign workers? How can you compete with foreign students? 1.00
00:06:28.940 There's more people, just not enough private paychecks. 0.76
00:06:32.320 But look at this.
00:06:33.420 Here's the craziest thing maybe. 0.94
00:06:36.460 Take Alberta out of Canada.
00:06:38.140 I know some would do that literally, but just do that mathematically for now.
00:06:42.280 October 2025 to October 2026, just a 12-month period, seasonally adjusted.
00:06:48.680 Canada as a whole has plus 16,500 jobs.
00:06:53.920 But Alberta alone was plus about 41,000.
00:06:59.100 So if you take Alberta out of the picture, the rest of Canada lost about 25,000 jobs.
00:07:05.720 Alberta carried the country.
00:07:08.360 The rest of Canada lost jobs.
00:07:10.380 Private sector employees outside Alberta, flat or down, about minus 5,000 in that year.
00:07:16.100 So when Ottawa brags about job creation, you should ask where and who hired them.
00:07:21.060 The private sector in Ontario, not really.
00:07:23.800 Government office, probably, or Alberta.
00:07:26.740 Well, for the private sector, that's where it happens.
00:07:28.980 Elbows up.
00:07:29.620 Elbows up.
00:07:30.980 Hey, everybody, elbows up.
00:07:32.100 Build Canada strong.
00:07:33.740 But what are they building?
00:07:34.880 Public sector, union, payrolls, more clerks and bureaucrats?
00:07:39.400 Living standards tell the same story.
00:07:41.260 Real GDP per capita.
00:07:43.440 This is StatsCan, 2017 chain dollars.
00:07:45.860 So in 2015, real GDP per capita, it was about $57,000.
00:07:51.860 thousand dollars just about fifty seven and a half thousand dollars ten years later the average
00:07:58.020 gdp is sixty thousand so we're up four point two percent in ten years it's about zero point four
00:08:06.800 percent you can't even notice that by the way it fell another one point three percent in 2023
00:08:12.320 another one point four percent in 2024 i'd call that the trudeau recession the bank of canada's
00:08:18.960 own senior deputy governor, Carolyn Rogers, called weak productivity an emergency. It's time to break
00:08:25.800 the glass. OECD, that's sort of the first world countries economically. Long-run projections put
00:08:32.620 Canada near or at the bottom of the first world countries for per-person growth for decades ahead.
00:08:40.200 The Globe and Mail wrote it up as dead last among advanced countries. And business investment,
00:08:45.740 forget about it finance canada's own briefing binder conceded that business investment fell
00:08:52.300 as a share of gdp lagged every other g7 country since trudeau took over the department of finance
00:08:59.680 down the liberal party's favorite investments with your money let me just go through some of
00:09:04.000 this here francois philippe champaign industry minister then finance minister the salesman for
00:09:08.860 that whole electric volt battery investment it's very simple well very simple because we need to
00:09:15.480 generate revenues. You know, when you're a government, you either tax or you generate
00:09:19.100 revenues. When you make investments, Canadians understand that they need to invest to generate
00:09:23.400 revenue. And what the PBO said today said, good, you invest in and you're going to get more than
00:09:28.800 what you put. That's basic math that folks at home understand, because in order to provide the
00:09:34.260 social services and making sure we can build the infrastructure that we can build Canada of the
00:09:38.800 future, we need to have the revenues. And I think Canadians, my sense, they've told us to see over
00:09:44.720 the last few weeks is they say, yes, we want to make sure you look at our issues at the end of
00:09:49.640 the month and the end of the week. But at the same time, they want to make sure we build Canada of
00:09:53.400 the future, that their children will be able to take generational opportunity. I always say
00:09:58.160 there's a cost of inaction. Would we be more happy if these plants went to the United States?
00:10:03.320 I think that we're building the infrastructure and the economy of the future. That's what people
00:10:08.180 expect. Financial post-year-end review, he called the battery deals a generational opportunity. He
00:10:14.600 He talked about Stellantis contributing hundreds of billions over the decades, seized the moment or missed the train.
00:10:21.740 Trudeau stood there for Honda.
00:10:24.060 Same sort of thing.
00:10:25.180 This was two years ago.
00:10:26.140 He said the largest auto investment in Canada's history, well over a thousand manufacturing jobs and electric vehicles supply chain from start to finish.
00:10:35.500 That's what they were bragging about.
00:10:36.660 That's where all the money went.
00:10:37.740 It's a historic day with the largest auto investment in Canada's history.
00:10:44.600 Northvolt, $7 billion battery plant in Quebec.
00:10:50.860 Francois-Philippe Champagne in the photo op.
00:10:53.260 Well, what happened?
00:10:54.180 Well, Northvolt collapsed into bankruptcy.
00:10:56.860 The Quebec deal died.
00:10:58.240 Honda indefinitely suspended their Alliston electric vehicle and battery mega project.
00:11:03.780 Stellantis sold at stake in the Windsor Next Star plant to LG for what Filings described as a nominal fee.
00:11:10.860 The plant pivoted towards energy storage batteries as electric vehicle demand sagged.
00:11:16.860 Again and again, Power Co.'s St. Thomas Gigafactory.
00:11:19.940 I'm going through these because these were all the big, splashy investments using your tax dollars.
00:11:26.160 The opening for that Gigafactory was delayed.
00:11:29.860 The Power Co.'s St. Thomas Gigafactory, they called it a Gigafactory because that's what Elon Musk calls his.
00:11:35.940 Still under construction, opening delayed to 2029.
00:11:38.660 Do you really think it's going to open?
00:11:40.860 now the actual auto plants the actual ford and gm and honda according to statistics canada motor
00:11:48.140 vehicle manufacturing this is incredible when trudeau took office in 2015 there were 42 000
00:11:55.500 people working in ontario's auto sector 42 000. 2025 only 35 000 it's down 15 percent parts down
00:12:06.380 4%. The whole bundle, about 4,500 jobs lost. Brampton plant idled, Oakville offline for
00:12:12.980 retooling. They're all dying despite all these grants and investments. How about steel? Iron
00:12:20.480 and steel mills. When Harper left, there were 16,800 jobs. Now there's 14,600. That's down 13%.
00:12:30.500 Then the tariffs, and I'm not blaming the liberals for that, although I suppose you could.
00:12:35.300 Algoma, roughly 1,000 layoff notices, Stelco, about 500 in Hamilton and Anticoke, ArcelorMittal shut down the Parkdale wire plant in Hamilton for good in 2025. Billions promise photo ops, ribbon cuttings, and then the companies walk or shrink or rebrand the batteries for something else.
00:12:54.280 And I'm not mad at companies for following markets, but we were told that these were sound, generational investments, and everyone in the private sector had to pay their taxes for these special recipients of the money.
00:13:09.900 But listen, if the private sector is not willing to invest, there's probably a reason for that.
00:13:15.060 Stephen Harper warned that this all was coming, not in mystic terms, in boring ones, jobs, growth, don't get complacent about prosperity.
00:13:23.380 The problem with Stephen Harper is that he fixed the economy, so it wasn't an issue for people.
00:13:29.180 It's sort of like Donald Trump fixing immigration, so he removed a hot issue that got him elected.
00:13:35.840 Stephen Harper left the economy humming.
00:13:38.740 He left it with the strongest middle class in the world, so people, you know, they cared about other things, I guess.
00:13:45.940 Take a look.
00:13:46.980 As I look around the world, as I look particularly at developed countries, I worry, I wonder,
00:13:54.180 and I ask whether the creation of economic growth and therefore jobs really is the number
00:13:59.540 one policy priority everywhere.
00:14:04.380 Or is it the case that in the developed world, too many of us have in fact become complacent
00:14:10.460 about our prosperity, taking our wealth as a given,
00:14:14.720 assuming it is somehow the natural order of things,
00:14:18.520 leaving us instead to focus primarily
00:14:21.580 on our services and entitlements.
00:14:23.400 Well, some interesting resumes we have here.
00:14:26.040 Let's talk about Justin.
00:14:27.660 I see he's included his picture.
00:14:30.020 Let's start with the experience section,
00:14:31.900 nothing about balancing a budget or making a payroll.
00:14:34.660 Didn't he say budgets balance themselves?
00:14:37.100 And what does the experience section say
00:14:38.540 about keeping us safe? 0.84
00:14:39.640 Well, he wants to send winter jackets to Syria.
00:14:42.720 Like that will stop ISIS?
00:14:44.460 He's like a celebrity. He says things before thinking them through.
00:14:47.920 So what are his policies?
00:14:50.600 Legalizing marijuana. Is that the biggest problem we have to solve?
00:14:55.120 He has some growing up to do.
00:14:56.900 And he says he's going to cancel income splitting for families.
00:15:00.080 I guess pension splitting for seniors is next.
00:15:03.460 So when has he ever had to make a tough choice?
00:15:06.040 People, being prime minister is not an entry-level job.
00:15:09.640 I'm not saying no forever, but not now.
00:15:13.560 Nice hair, though.
00:15:19.360 Justin Trudeau. He's just not ready.
00:15:22.680 They said he wasn't ready.
00:15:24.720 Turns out the budget did not balance itself.
00:15:26.880 The economy does not grow from the heart outwards.
00:15:29.900 And the middle class is not a government hiring program.
00:15:32.680 Like, it's just, you cannot get wealth just by taxing and redistributing money
00:15:38.780 that someone else already made.
00:15:40.700 So when Mark Carney and Francois-Philippe Champagne
00:15:43.240 put their elbows up, ask why Canada, outside of Alberta,
00:15:47.360 lost nearly 25,000 jobs in a year.
00:15:50.480 When Carney talks about the middle class, remember 2014.
00:15:53.800 When Canada was on top, it's almost unbelievable now.
00:15:56.600 Before the liberals took the wheel, 0.99
00:15:58.180 before they brought in millions of cheap foreign laborers 0.99
00:16:02.820 to drive up housing prices and drive down wages, why? 0.99
00:16:06.840 We'd be the richest middle class in the world.
00:16:08.340 why did they do that? Now we're the poorest in the first world. Let's do it with us for more.
00:16:23.460 Well, we're almost on Remembrance Day. I have a tradition, as you know, to always read the
00:16:29.240 Rudyard Kipling poem, Tommy Atkins, which is about how everyone loves to claim they support the
00:16:35.380 troops when it's time to send them to war. But when they're veterans, when it's peacetime,
00:16:40.280 we seem to forget about them, treat them shabbily and penny pinch when it comes to giving them
00:16:46.080 help. I think Canada, and it was written over a hundred years ago, by the way, but it has become
00:16:51.520 more true with every year. But simply ignoring or underfunding veterans is one thing. But how about
00:17:00.460 actively proposing to veterans that they should kill themselves or be killed by doctors and that
00:17:07.780 is becoming rampant i would say in canada veterans affairs on many occasions has suggested
00:17:16.800 to our military vets that rather than seeking treatment for ptsd or other mental illness
00:17:23.520 that they simply choose to end their own lives it's absolutely outrageous
00:17:28.220 But finally, someone's doing something about it in a vigorous way.
00:17:32.540 Our guest today is Catherine Christensen with Valor Law, a law firm that is seeking to start a class action suit for Canadian veterans who say that Veterans Affairs tried to steer them towards MAID.
00:17:50.880 She joins us via Zoom now.
00:17:53.060 Thank you very much, Mrs. Christensen.
00:17:55.840 I appreciate you being on the show.
00:17:57.760 tell me how widespread is the phenomenon of Veterans Affairs trying to steer these young
00:18:05.120 men and probably some women too towards Maine? It's actually a lot more prominent than Veterans
00:18:11.900 Affairs would be willing to admit. It's very interesting that the younger veterans are being
00:18:17.740 offered this on the phone in an unexpected way, so they're not able to record it. But the other
00:18:24.960 thing that is happening in the last few months is we're getting older veterans are receiving letters
00:18:31.660 from veterans affairs suggesting that they actually putting it in writing so they're
00:18:36.700 actually putting in well that's quite something i could imagine a sneaky phone call because most
00:18:42.460 people don't think to record a phone call that's not a normal thing i don't think people would
00:18:47.600 even know how but to put it in writing have you seen any of these letters yourself i have one
00:18:53.420 this coming to me, when the Daily Mail article came out, the number of veterans who say this
00:19:00.540 has happened to them has dramatically increased from what I already knew. It's a lot more
00:19:06.620 prevalent. And it was a senior veteran who had attended a veteran from Memorial Day service
00:19:14.880 yesterday who came up to someone and said, well, I received a letter. And how appalled he was that
00:19:22.240 He received a letter offering him made.
00:19:24.840 Isn't that interesting?
00:19:26.040 That's a brazenness.
00:19:28.040 When you mentioned the Daily Mail, that's one of the largest websites in the world.
00:19:31.560 The Mail newspaper and the Mail on Sunday and the Daily Mail, it's a very prominent British paper.
00:19:40.720 But their online site, Mail Online, is really one of the largest in the world.
00:19:44.740 And I'm delighted to say that they have a pro-military, pro-troops bias.
00:19:50.960 Bias is the wrong word.
00:19:51.940 that's part of their beat that's part of their editorial philosophy so they gave a huge review
00:19:56.900 to you and your clients and what's going on in canada it's quite remarkable that a it falls to
00:20:04.360 a british newspaper to give such a comprehensive and sympathetic treatment to a canadian issue
00:20:13.780 that's curious in itself isn't it have you ever had this kind of coverage by a canadian newspaper
00:20:19.800 No, not really. The main thing that seems to be happening with the Canadian media is gaslighting. Because Veterans Affairs will give them a statement of, this didn't happen. In fact, the one lawsuit that we had going with Mr. McGowan, that was their defense. It never happened. There was no phone call.
00:20:42.880 um so away we went to prove that there indeed was a phone call and a 22 year old veteran with
00:20:50.520 ptsd was offered made as his first option for treatment that's that's absolutely crazy someone
00:20:57.700 who was 22 at the time he's 26 now i understand his whole life ahead of him and the fact that
00:21:04.860 he's injured i suppose you could say ptsd is a kind of injury um so early in his life
00:21:11.640 the idea that made would even be suggested or even contemplated is so outrageous let me let
00:21:19.980 me just confirm he's not grievously bodily harmed in constant pain this was for a ptsd
00:21:27.560 matter am i right yeah yes absolutely physically he's completely healthy i mean not that if he was
00:21:33.240 physically injured that would justify it but this guy has 50 60 years ahead of him and for and for
00:21:40.700 veterans affairs to suggest he he kill himself or be killed is so grotesque in his case it would be
00:21:48.640 in any case but i think that's just a such a superlatively awful example exactly yeah and so
00:21:56.200 when he reached out to me uh this is why we move forward with his lawsuit because it was such
00:22:02.560 an egregious example uh and a concrete example of what veterans affairs was actually doing
00:22:08.820 and it also shows that it wasn't one rogue caseworker at back who did it once maybe twice
00:22:16.940 this is a big problem with veterans affairs and it needs to stop and if that means going into court
00:22:26.000 to draw lots of attention to it then so be it if that's how they need to put half a plate out
00:22:32.180 i think it will draw attention and it'll do one more thing when people try and get information
00:22:38.500 from the government they're often blocked or as you mentioned some pr flack will just say oh it
00:22:44.200 didn't happen nothing to see here and what can you do really i suppose you could file an access
00:22:49.620 to information request but i imagine a lot of that's blacked out for various excuses but when
00:22:55.260 you sue you have a higher uh legal right to get the other side's relevant documents and to have
00:23:05.740 an oral exam to to have a discovery where you put questions to the key decision makers so you
00:23:12.340 it's not just that you're fighting the fight it's that along the way you're shining a light on
00:23:18.040 things that have never been seen or heard before tell me what you think uh who you think is hiding
00:23:26.400 things or or has not revealed themselves i mean i i'm i suppose i shouldn't ask you to speculate
00:23:32.740 But what kind of person would you imagine you would be examining, you would be cross-examining as part of this lawsuit when it proceeds?
00:23:43.720 A big part of it would be the bureaucracy within the Veterans Affairs Ministry and the Department of National Defense.
00:23:52.400 They're not supposed to work together, but I've had other cases where I've seen ATIPS where they're having discussions back and forth, deciding what will be covered, what won't be covered.
00:24:02.800 And as gross as it sounds this close to Remembrance Day,
00:24:07.580 the truth of it is is that dead veterans are cheaper than live ones,
00:24:11.580 especially young veterans.
00:24:13.780 It's a budget thing, is my opinion.
00:24:17.100 I hate to hear those words, but you're just speaking plainly.
00:24:20.960 That's their math.
00:24:22.220 I was going to ask, is this an ideological move
00:24:25.720 or is this a cost-cutting move?
00:24:27.960 Either way, it's pretty gross, as you say.
00:24:29.980 yes yeah i believe it in myself my opinion is the cost-cutting move um there's one veteran who was
00:24:38.940 interviewed by daily mail who has a brain injury quite a severe brain injury and when he thought
00:24:44.680 about me he could have had it within a couple of days i mean that's not even to me uh i have a
00:24:52.260 background in being a registered nurse and consent is a big deal for me and how do you even say you
00:24:59.220 have informed consent when you already lined him up with someone to provide maid within two days
00:25:04.680 who brags to him that she's done 400 deaths already and is that of the general population
00:25:11.900 or within the canadian forces broader general population yeah you know and i think if someone's
00:25:19.180 bragging about it then they're motivated by both dollars and and they i and an ideology i would say
00:25:26.320 borders on the a psychologist so sociopath who would cheer that that's so gross now tell me a
00:25:33.400 little bit more about class actions I'm a former lawyer myself but class actions are fairly unusual
00:25:40.100 if I'm not mistaken you have to go to a judge to have to seek a kind of permission to have the
00:25:47.280 class certified if I'm using the right language and then you have to proceed on behalf of those
00:25:54.180 folks i'm not that familiar with the procedure how far along are you and how difficult a task is it
00:26:02.660 are you are you teaming up with class action specialists are you doing this on your own
00:26:08.720 how are you proceeding legally so there is a another lawyer who uh in the process of all this
00:26:16.300 becoming so public has reached out to me who was already thinking of doing this for the general
00:26:21.520 public. So that helps. I've also got other lawyers that are experienced with class actions that are
00:26:31.140 advising me on this. The biggest challenge is going to be deciding what the classes are. So
00:26:38.280 which groups of people should have which claims. And then, of course, getting the evidence out of
00:26:44.260 the Canadian Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs. They are notorious for trying to hide documents
00:26:51.220 altering documents um i don't know if you remember from the avril norman affair where
00:26:56.120 his documents his emails disappeared because they put a code name right so when you searched
00:27:02.040 you couldn't find it yeah so remember that going up against the cap is a big big problem i remember
00:27:09.160 that case very clearly they tried to railroad him they tried to railroad him to a conviction
00:27:14.020 and it was only when exculpatory matters were found out that had not been it was it was just
00:27:20.140 an absolute fiasco and if i'm not mistaken the government wound up paying all of his legal fees
00:27:26.440 and fees in some sort of a settlement they were absolutely conducting themselves in a scandalous
00:27:32.020 way and you're right i don't think they've changed at all i don't think people in their lesson at all
00:27:36.100 no and if they can do that to vice admiral imagine what they'll do to a 22 year old kid
00:27:42.700 yeah you know they they would have no compunction none none uh the even to the point of wanting
00:27:50.760 just to produce provincial health records to show that he was actually being treated under
00:27:57.040 the provincial health system which is not what happens with veterans with service related
00:28:01.540 injury uh it's all covered by veterans affairs it is not there are no provincial records so then
00:28:08.500 they're saying well you can't produce the records you can't prove anything and it's like yes we can
00:28:13.860 because we have his records from his service and we have records from his back claims uh but uh
00:28:21.480 yeah no it's very interesting going up against the federal government especially against the
00:28:25.680 canadian armed forces and veterans affairs uh they they don't want to be sued yeah they don't want
00:28:31.960 and they fight will fight discovery i've never seen defendants fight discovery harder than
00:28:38.420 in the Canadian Armed Forces and Veterans Affairs.
00:28:40.340 What a shame.
00:28:40.840 If only they put half that effort into helping the veterans
00:28:43.560 as they do to litigating against them.
00:28:46.360 It's crazy.
00:28:47.480 Have you had any allies?
00:28:48.880 I mean, we've talked a little bit about the Daily Mail,
00:28:51.500 and I think that's pretty awesome.
00:28:53.680 It's also a little bit sad that your greatest media coverage
00:28:56.500 so far has come from outside the country.
00:28:58.560 Have you had any support expressed to you from, let's say, an MP,
00:29:03.640 either from the government or more likely from the opposition?
00:29:06.880 Is there any other person in authority or with some sort of power in the establishment who has said, what's going on here is wrong, I'm going to offer what I can to these folks?
00:29:18.280 There is some talks going on right now with members of the opposition.
00:29:23.200 They're a little leery using things like affidavits for evidence.
00:29:27.980 So once we can get some of the written documents, then I think you'll see a lot more coming from the opposition.
00:29:37.240 Sometimes in class actions, there's a website where people can go to learn more or even to sign up.
00:29:43.240 Is that something you're contemplating or maybe you already have?
00:29:46.880 There is a website. It needs more development now that I've got a lot more plaintiffs coming forward.
00:29:53.260 That's been also the other problem is that veterans have been scared to come forward to tell me that this has happened to them because they're afraid their benefits will end if they complain too much.
00:30:03.860 But it's ValorLegalActionCenter.org.
00:30:07.120 It's the nonprofit.
00:30:10.040 ValorLegalActionCenter.org.
00:30:11.180 And Valor is V-A-L-O-U-R LegalActionCenter.org.
00:30:16.720 Okay, very interesting.
00:30:17.700 Well, listen, I'm delighted that you've had this publicity.
00:30:23.260 in the daily mail i hope other veterans come forward i think this is very appropriate for
00:30:29.180 us to discuss on the eve of remembrance day but as that poem tommy atkins says
00:30:34.140 it's 365 days a year not just the one day a year we all put on the poppy
00:30:39.100 and i think that you have uncovered or you are uncovering really like an iceberg just we just
00:30:46.380 see a little bit above the water and there's so much that's happening below and i don't say that
00:30:51.420 But in a conspiratorial sense, I'm saying that is how it is because of budgets, because
00:30:56.280 of this ideology made, and because I think veterans are considered expendable.
00:31:02.960 So I really think you've just seen a fraction of what's going on, and I hope you get to
00:31:09.840 the bottom of it, and I hope your lawsuit is successful for moral reasons as well as
00:31:14.800 for the success of the individual veterans involved.
00:31:18.380 Yes, thank you.
00:31:19.280 and non-moral reasons. One of my motivations for doing it is for the veterans who took them up on
00:31:24.340 their offer. Veterans are very vulnerable and they deserve better treatment than this.
00:31:31.260 Well, hear, hear. Thank you for doing what you're doing. And let's keep in touch as this story
00:31:35.260 unfolds. I know nothing moves quickly in the court of law, but do keep us posted when you have
00:31:40.600 different milestones on your journey. I certainly will. Thank you for having me on.
00:31:45.780 Our pleasure. There she is, Catherine Christensen, Barrister and Solicitor at Valor Legal Action Center. 0.87
00:31:53.620 Stay with us. More ahead.
00:32:03.660 Hey, welcome back. Your letters to me.
00:32:06.000 Sherry says a banker's budget will only do things to benefit himself and his buddies.
00:32:10.640 Not us everyday citizens.
00:32:12.060 had to laugh, Avi Lewis was going after Francois Champagne on a live CBC interview with David
00:32:16.860 Cochran. Yeah, you know, Avi Lewis is, I think he's deceptive. I think he doesn't believe many
00:32:23.140 of the things he says, but I think he's a natural politician. Imagine you and your dad and your
00:32:30.780 grandpa were all leaders of the NDP. That's sort of amazing. Politics in his blood. He would have
00:32:36.320 grown up as a child around the family table, just talking politics. So I think he's naturally good
00:32:41.880 at it and um his wife is naomi klein she's a radical leftist activist i mean they are radical
00:32:47.640 i would call them communists and i don't think they would much object they're radicals against
00:32:52.260 canadian sovereignty against the oil and gas industry for example but here's the the interesting
00:32:59.920 part about that is every vote the ndp gets is probably a vote that mark carney won't get and
00:33:06.160 that's why they had that's why jagmeet singh was so important to the liberals is he basically
00:33:10.940 frittered away the NDP. I think that Avi Lewis doesn't want that path for himself, so I think
00:33:18.020 he actually might chip away an additional five or maybe 10% off the Liberals, and that could mean
00:33:23.860 good things for the Conservatives. Next letter from Pinto, who says,
00:33:29.640 Convince Carney's making Canada unattractive to investors to allow a certain company to scoop up
00:33:34.780 our resources for pennies on the dollar. It's so weird to me. I mean, he's traveling, what,
00:33:40.340 twice as much as Justin Trudeau, who traveled an extreme amount to begin with, I think Carney
00:33:45.200 doesn't really like it here. I think his favorite place to be is on a private jet headed somewhere
00:33:51.820 where fancy five-star hotels and fancy, like I think he loves that lifestyle. That's what he did
00:33:58.420 with Brookfield and the UN and the World Economic Forum. I don't think he actually likes being
00:34:04.120 responsible for governing and deciding because remember at Brookfield, he was not the CEO.
00:34:09.560 He did not build up a company from scratch.
00:34:12.560 He's never actually operated a company.
00:34:14.560 He's always been an overseer, an advisor, a strategist, a chairman.
00:34:20.560 That's very different than someone who has daily responsibilities.
00:34:24.560 I think he hates that part. I think he finds it beneath him.
00:34:27.560 I think he finds being Canadian beneath him. 0.80
00:34:29.560 I think he fancies himself someone of a different stratus.
00:34:33.560 I mean, who has three passports?
00:34:35.560 passports? Who says that Canada is the most European of countries? Someone who I think has
00:34:41.480 some identity issues. I think he feels like we bring him down. Those are my thoughts. I'm curious
00:34:47.340 about yours. Feel free to send me a letter. Until next time, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel
00:34:52.140 World Headquarters, see you at home. Good night. And keep fighting for freedom.
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