Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ The REAL reason Mark Carney wants to recognise a Palestinian state

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00:00:30.000 If you're trying to understand Mark Carney's position on Israel and Gaza and the West Bank,

00:00:58.820 if you try and look through it through the prism of foreign relations, it just doesn't make any sense.

00:01:05.340 Why are we siding with the terrorists? Why are we siding against Israel, the only democracy in the

00:01:11.520 region? Why are we so out of step with the United States, our closest friend and ally? It just

00:01:17.100 doesn't compute. But when you realize that it's not about foreign policy, it's about domestic policy.

00:01:23.800 It's about millions of people we've let into Canada in the last 10 years who despise Israel and

00:01:29.620 indeed Jews. Then it suddenly clicks. And then you realize, as Melanie Jolie said when she was foreign

00:01:37.520 minister, that it's about the demographics in her own district. So it's no surprise that Mark Carney

00:01:44.700 endorsed the reward of recognizing Palestine as a country this fall at the UN. Here, take a listen.

00:01:54.600 For the reasons I cited earlier, Canada intends to recognize the state of Palestine

00:01:58.900 at the 80th session of the United Nations General Assembly in September 2025.

00:02:06.220 This intention is predicated on the Palestinian Authority's commitment to much-needed reform,

00:02:11.500 including commitments by the Palestinian Authority's President Abbas to fundamentally reform its

00:02:17.800 governance, to hold general elections in 2026, in which Hamas can play no part, and to demilitarize

00:02:25.700 the Palestinian state. Canada will increase its efforts in supporting strong democratic governance

00:02:32.200 in Palestine and the contributions of its people to a more peaceful and hopeful future.

00:02:38.160 I spoke today with President Abbas at length to reaffirm his commitment.

00:02:45.620 Canada reiterates that Hamas must immediately release all hostages taken in their horrific

00:02:51.840 terrorist attack of October 7th, that Hamas must disarm, and that Hamas must play no role

00:03:00.020 in the future governance of Palestine.

00:03:02.180 Canada will always steadfastly support Israel's existence as an independent state in the Middle

00:03:09.560 East, living in peace and security.

00:03:13.320 Any path to lasting peace for Israel also requires a viable and stable Palestinian state, and one

00:03:21.140 that recognizes Israel's inalienable right to security and peace.

00:03:25.640 A lot of talk about Palestinian commitments.

00:03:29.980 A commitment is a fancy way of saying a promise.

00:03:33.280 So Mahmoud Abbas, who is now the president of the West Bank, the leader of the PLO, he has committed

00:03:40.480 to bring in democratic reforms.

00:03:42.600 He is now in the 20th year of his four-year term.

00:03:46.520 And of course, Hamas did actually win an election in Gaza, just once, mind you, because they never

00:03:54.140 had an election again.

00:03:56.260 Joining us now to talk about this is someone who actually went to Israel with me 20 years

00:04:02.800 ago, right as Israel was extracting all remaining Jews from Gaza.

00:04:10.400 There was a small number of farmers who lived in Gaza, typically greenhouses making fruit

00:04:17.020 and vegetables.

00:04:18.060 The Israeli government commanded them out, dug up their families' graves and reburied them

00:04:24.640 in Israel proper.

00:04:26.780 And we were there during that very momentous time.

00:04:31.360 That was hoped that removing all the Jews from Gaza would allow that land to become a proto-state. 1.00

00:04:38.240 Of course, it was just turned into a launchpad for terrorism.

00:04:41.860 Joining us now is John Robson, historian, journalist, and a good egg.

00:04:47.380 John, great to see you again.

00:04:49.060 It's good to be with you.

00:04:50.360 And yes, that was a memorable trip.

00:04:52.780 One of the highlights of my professional life, in fact.

00:04:55.580 Can't believe it was 20 years ago, but there you are.

00:04:59.060 Well, tell me what you recall.

00:05:01.200 We obviously did not go into Gaza itself.

00:05:03.660 But, I mean, the idea of Israeli military going in and physically dragging the last Jews out

00:05:13.900 of Gaza so they could say, here, it's yours.

00:05:17.200 No more Israeli soldiers.

00:05:18.500 No more Israeli citizens. 0.99

00:05:19.920 That is your Palestine. 0.97

00:05:22.400 That was an enormous failure.

00:05:24.800 It's almost as if Mark Carney doesn't know that was already tried.

00:05:28.160 Yes, if we wanted to make a list of all the things Mark Carney didn't know, we'd be here all night.

00:05:33.840 But one of the things I remember vividly is that in Israel, because it's the only democracy in the Middle East,

00:05:39.200 it's the only open society, there was a very lively debate about this pullout.

00:05:43.980 And it was done by Ariel Sharon, who had a reputation as a right winger.

00:05:47.620 But the debate essentially went like this.

00:05:50.000 Some people said, look, if we pull out of Gaza, they're going to turn it into a terror statelet.

00:05:54.500 And we will have no end of nightmares, rockets on Ashdod and Ashkelon.

00:05:58.720 And other people said, what else can we do?

00:06:01.200 We can't make peace with these people.

00:06:02.940 We can't negotiate with them.

00:06:04.360 No promise they make us any good.

00:06:06.420 We can't stay in there.

00:06:07.860 It corrupts our own values.

00:06:09.940 We need to pull out, give it to them, hope for the best, and build a wall.

00:06:13.660 So people who think that Israel is acting recklessly or brutally or thoughtlessly,

00:06:19.760 they have no idea the depth of debate and consideration that has gone on.

00:06:24.660 And they don't seem to grasp that the fundamental reason this debate is so frustrating

00:06:28.860 is there's no partner for peace on the other side.

00:06:31.640 That Hamas wants, as you said, right? 0.98

00:06:33.980 It's not just about Israel.

00:06:35.700 It's about Jews. 1.00

00:06:37.740 It is about killing all the Jews. 1.00

00:06:40.280 Kill all the Jews in Israel. 1.00

00:06:41.880 Kill all the Jews elsewhere. 1.00

00:06:43.360 Allah will reward you. 1.00

00:06:44.700 That's actually what they think.

00:06:46.140 And it's what they say they think.

00:06:47.800 And if our politicians would just take seriously the notion that people believe their beliefs,

00:06:52.940 we would be in a much greater situation of clarity.

00:06:57.180 But of course, one of the problems here, when you're showing what Mark Carney is saying,

00:06:59.980 one of the problems is that Carney himself just lies all the time.

00:07:03.460 So when he says that he believes that Mahmoud Abbas is going to hold elections that Hamas 0.68

00:07:08.620 won't be in, it's very difficult to tell whether he actually believes that Abbas is going to do 0.98

00:07:14.460 this, in which case he is, of course, an idiot, or whether he's just saying it because it gives 0.99

00:07:19.140 him cover for doing something. 0.99

00:07:20.800 And where are the journalists saying, OK, if they don't hold those elections or if they

00:07:25.160 hold them but Hamas is allowed to run, will you withdraw recognition?

00:07:29.820 Nobody asks him the tough questions.

00:07:31.440 And if they did, he'd probably walk awake.

00:07:32.960 He doesn't seem to enjoy being challenged.

00:07:35.180 But when you're listening to his statement, you know, the number of lies that he told,

00:07:38.480 including Canada, will always stand with Israel.

00:07:40.820 We're not standing with Israel now. 0.99

00:07:43.160 You know, you get these people saying, we need to impose an arms embargo and

00:07:45.660 not even knowing that we don't sell Israel weapons, which we certainly should if we had any. 1.00

00:07:51.540 But with Carney, the whole performance, it's one thing to say a lot of what he said is stupid. 1.00

00:07:56.800 A lot of what he said is wicked. 0.99

00:07:58.400 But it's another thing to say, but there's no way of telling how much of it,

00:08:01.920 if any of it was sincere.

00:08:03.500 Right.

00:08:04.460 You know, he said things like Hamas must disarm and must not have any role.

00:08:10.780 OK, that's a statement of what should happen.

00:08:13.800 But what happens if it doesn't happen?

00:08:17.180 And Hamas has repeatedly refused to lay down arms.

00:08:20.760 So it's almost like he's daydreaming or wishing.

00:08:26.100 I say again, it makes no sense as foreign policy.

00:08:28.380 It's only about domestic policy.

00:08:30.140 But to be taken seriously, that why?

00:08:32.960 Just because Mark Carney in Canada, who no one thinks, what would Mark Carney do?

00:08:38.660 No one who's trying to solve things in the Middle East says, what does Canada think?

00:08:43.120 If we ever had such a position, I think 30 years ago, we had a conceit that we were honest brokers.

00:08:50.920 I don't think anyone even regards Canada.

00:08:53.200 Justin Trudeau burnt up so much money and political capital.

00:08:57.420 He couldn't get on the Security Council of the UN.

00:09:00.300 No one takes Canada seriously as a diplomatic, military or security force anymore.

00:09:06.060 Hamas must do this.

00:09:07.860 Abbas must do this. 0.88

00:09:09.700 He's committed to it.

00:09:10.840 It feels so childish.

00:09:12.620 But here's what's interesting about it.

00:09:15.560 It's the kind of thing Justin Trudeau probably would have said and done.

00:09:19.520 But Justin Trudeau did not have Donald Trump.

00:09:24.240 Like Trump came in just as Trudeau was going out, really.

00:09:29.140 And Trump is redoing all his trade deals.

00:09:32.480 And I don't understand all of it, frankly.

00:09:34.500 But I see a lot of tough bargaining and countries saying they'll invest in America

00:09:39.200 and they'll still pay tariffs to America.

00:09:41.160 I don't understand it, to be honest, because I don't get the economics behind it.

00:09:45.180 But almost immediately after Mark Carney made his statement, Donald Trump put a post on his social media platform, Truth Social,

00:09:53.460 saying he was shocked by this.

00:09:55.840 He clearly wasn't briefed in advance.

00:09:57.880 And it's going to put a trade deal with Canada in jeopardy.

00:10:01.760 And you might say, well, what has this got to do with trade?

00:10:04.660 Well, nothing is the short answer.

00:10:06.660 But the larger answer is, are you actually working against America's foreign policy plans?

00:10:13.720 And if so, if Canada is trying to muck up Donald Trump's big plan for Gaza,

00:10:21.680 why should Donald Trump concede the American market to Canadians?

00:10:26.940 That's how Trump thinks.

00:10:28.540 Someone else would say, well, you're doing it because economically it makes sense to trade with anyone.

00:10:32.560 Free trade makes sense.

00:10:33.400 But Donald Trump is more a fair trader than a free trader.

00:10:37.180 What do you think of that, John?

00:10:39.260 It's certainly predictable that this announcement would have annoyed the United States.

00:10:44.620 And since the job of the prime minister in foreign policy primarily is to safeguard our national interest,

00:10:50.140 that was a good reason not to do it.

00:10:52.140 Now, in fairness to Carney, in terms of negotiating with Donald Trump,

00:10:56.120 it's a difficult thing to do because I'm not a big Trump fan.

00:10:59.720 I think he doesn't understand the economics.

00:11:01.320 And I also find that his position changes from moment to moment.

00:11:05.640 Nevertheless, and I'm also just a unilateral free trader.

00:11:08.420 What we need to do is lower our own tariffs, get rid of supply marketing and so on.

00:11:12.320 But since his job is to safeguard our national interest and are far and away our most important relationship is with the United States,

00:11:19.380 even if it weren't our national interest to side with the Jew haters on other grounds,

00:11:24.800 we'd want to think two or three times about it because of this aspect.

00:11:28.740 But of course, it's not. 0.99

00:11:29.960 So the whole thing, it's just compounding the idiocy. 0.99

00:11:33.820 And again, with Carney, because, you know, as I said, and we just need to use words plainly, 0.99

00:11:38.560 he lies a lot, right?

00:11:39.700 Elbows up.

00:11:40.320 He was going to go and, you know, wallop Donald Trump.

00:11:42.340 Bam, bam, bam.

00:11:43.120 And then he went down and groveled.

00:11:44.580 Didn't work all that well.

00:11:45.520 So but when when now you think he's going to stick his finger in Trump's eye over the Middle East,

00:11:50.540 he may not.

00:11:51.120 He may not recognize them because you really can't believe anything he says.

00:11:55.600 But what it does do is leave a bad taste in people's mouths.

00:11:58.340 And as you said, we've had this strange notion that the world was just waiting to hear what we had to say.

00:12:03.260 And a point of fact, I think for a long time when they hear that Canada's on the phone,

00:12:07.680 they go, I guess we better talk to him.

00:12:09.680 But this is going to be 15 minutes.

00:12:12.220 I'll never get back.

00:12:13.240 And and again, and that thing about bust, I have a peeve about this.

00:12:17.780 A lot of people in Canada put out press releases, you know, the government must do this or so and so must do that.

00:12:22.140 And what they mean is, I wish they would do it, but they're not going to do it.

00:12:25.260 They certainly are not in a position where they must do it.

00:12:28.380 And here again, and in foreign policy, particularly, you always have to remember the Buster Scruggs question.

00:12:33.760 And if and I don't, because we say Hamas must disarm and Hamas goes, no, actually, we're mad killers who live for death.

00:12:40.920 So we're not doing that, whoever you are.

00:12:43.680 And then does it mean we won't recognize Palestine?

00:12:48.220 Because if not, you see, that's the funny thing.

00:12:50.140 When when when Carney says Hamas must disarm, it's a double lie.

00:12:53.440 In the first place, Hamas doesn't need to do any such thing and aren't going to.

00:12:56.880 But also, we are not then going to change our policy based on the fact that they didn't do something we said that they had to.

00:13:03.260 So every word out of his mouth is deceit layered on deceit.

00:13:08.080 It's extraordinary how Carney is the kind of guy who can say something meaningless and have it still be untrue.

00:13:14.060 But this way said Hamas must disarm.

00:13:16.460 That is that is a double falsehood.

00:13:18.240 And he's up there.

00:13:18.820 Hamas must disarm.

00:13:20.020 And these people sound like trombones. 0.67

00:13:22.760 But we shouldn't tolerate it.

00:13:24.480 Not for him, not from anybody.

00:13:25.680 We should not allow politicians to tell a string of sententious lies and act as though something solid had been said that, as you know, and I get the fundraising calls.

00:13:36.760 Most media are in the pocket of the government these days, unlike the rebel.

00:13:40.740 And so they know it doesn't their bread is not buttered on the side where they ask Mark Carney tough questions.

00:13:45.660 But it's just essential.

00:13:47.920 I mean, these are big issues.

00:13:49.440 This showdown in the Middle East is one of the defining issues of our time.

00:13:52.880 It will be a question.

00:13:53.840 Where were you when the Jews were fighting for their survival in their ancestral homeland?

00:13:58.880 And if the answer is we were telling silly lies while undermining them in ineffectual ways, this is not what you want in your epitaph.

00:14:08.400 You know, you and I are a certain vintage.

00:14:10.280 We probably remember the furious diplomacy that happened under Bill Clinton when he worked with Yasser Arafat, then the leader of the PLO, to get various peace deals.

00:14:22.880 There was a period of time when Yasser Arafat was the most frequent guest at the White House.

00:14:30.560 Stop and think about that.

00:14:31.880 More than the Canadian PM, more than the Mexican PM.

00:14:34.620 Clinton put so much personal capital in it, and they basically promised the PLO everything.

00:14:42.420 They carved out a little bit of—they did a land swap.

00:14:46.220 They said, well, you get like 97% of the West Bank, and the 3% that we're keeping for the Jews will make it up for you elsewhere. 0.99

00:14:53.740 Like, he was given everything, the promise of so much cash.

00:14:57.100 And basically, the problem was Israel and America kept saying yes, and he was hoping they would say no, because at the end of the day, he said, I can't sign this.

00:15:08.300 Like, he negotiated, negotiated, negotiated.

00:15:10.740 I think he got a Nobel Peace Prize out of it.

00:15:12.580 And at the end, when he was given everything he asked for, he said, oh, I forgot to mention, I just can't, because I'll be killed the next day by my own people.

00:15:20.560 And the reason I mentioned that from 30 years ago is because the Palestinians have already been offered everything if they just disarm, stop teaching hate, stop attacking, and recognize Israel. 0.97

00:15:34.980 And here's a question for you.

00:15:36.680 So Canada is willing to recognize Palestine as a state.

00:15:39.960 Will they ask Hamas and the PLO to recognize Israel as a state?

00:15:45.540 Otherwise, their whole two states living together in peace thing is just a lie.

00:15:49.800 I think there's no one in Mark Carney's office who remembers, who cares, that all of this was already offered to the PLO 25 years ago.

00:16:01.020 As Henry Kissinger used to say, the Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. 0.81

00:16:06.460 I don't think there's anything that shows they're more likely to do a deal now.

00:16:11.060 But other countries in the region are, John.

00:16:12.940 If you look at Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Sudan, these are all countries that signed the Abraham Accords.

00:16:20.260 I think Saudi Arabia is extremely friendly to Israel these days.

00:16:23.100 And as soon as the king passes away, the crown prince will join that peace treaty.

00:16:27.380 I think that the Middle East is moving towards peace.

00:16:33.080 If you look at the future for Syria and Lebanon with the terrorist group Hezbollah removed, I think there's a chance there. 0.95

00:16:40.420 And I think actually that's why Trump is mad, because what Mark Carney has said is so stupid and gives such false hope to Hamas that it's actually a stumbling block for Trump's plans for Abraham Accords round two. 0.90

00:16:55.320 What do you think of that? 0.97

00:16:55.920 Well, I think there are two big picture things that come to mind when you say these things.

00:17:01.720 And one of them is the strange way in which Canadians think that we are safe, calm moderates, when in fact, we're normally left wing maniacs who are five or 10 years out of date, including on issues like gender.

00:17:12.660 And the other one is, you know, if you're looking back in history, if you look back past 1979, radicalism in the Middle East from the end of the Second World War until the Iranian Revolution was predominantly secular and socialist as a bath party stuff.

00:17:27.840 And then the Islamists came along and they've had quite a long run, but they cannot deliver the goods. 1.00

00:17:33.580 They can't build a good society. 0.99

00:17:34.940 They can't kill all the Jews. 0.98

00:17:36.580 All the things they promised their people don't happen.

00:17:38.580 And so I think these countries that you're listing that are making peace with Israel, the fever is breaking to some degree.

00:17:44.980 They're realizing that all of that was futile nonsense.

00:17:49.280 And what a time for Canada to decide that it's exactly where we want to be, because this enmity to Israel, I was in line from Mark Stein years ago that societies that overinvest in anti-Semitism tend not to prosper.

00:18:01.660 And objectively, if you were someone who lived in the Middle East, was from the Middle East and wished that the Middle East was a happier, richer, more peaceful and more honest place, you would say to yourself at some point, this obsession with Israel and with Jews, let's be fair, it's about the Jews, has not served us well. 0.57

00:18:19.660 There's something wrong with this ideology.

00:18:21.440 So what a time for us to embrace it, particularly when we're going through a very rough patch with our American ally.

00:18:27.940 And again, Donald Trump can be hard to manage, and I have actually quite a low opinion of Donald Trump.

00:18:32.240 I think we differ on that one.

00:18:33.780 But however it may be, he is the president, and our prime minister's got to deal with it.

00:18:38.600 But even beyond that, I mean, you ask if people in Carney's office know this stuff, and probably some of them could look it up online.

00:18:44.560 The difficulty is that they have this wildly inflated sense of their own importance, and of their ability to change the world just by being them.

00:18:55.060 And so, yeah, history is mystery.

00:18:57.060 Now we have arrived, and we will say good and noble things, and everything will change.

00:19:01.760 I mean, your question, well, will the Palestinian Authority, if we recognize it, recognize Israel? 0.99

00:19:07.180 And the answer is no, of course not, because they have to kill all the Jews, or so a lot will like them. 1.00

00:19:11.940 But Mark Carney thinks that he, by saying good things in his Mark Carney way, is going to make them see the world differently. 0.97

00:19:20.440 This sounds absurd, but really an important part of the key to Canadian public policy, including on this one, is the incredible conceit of the people who are making it.

00:19:30.620 Yeah.

00:19:31.000 You know, I look at the United Kingdom so often, because you know what I like to say, it's my dystopian time machine.

00:19:37.440 What happens there will happen here in five years, because they're further down the road.

00:19:42.460 So there are so many Muslim migrants that there are now five or six members of parliament who, in the general election, were not with the Conservative Party or the Labour Party or the Reform Party.

00:19:54.520 They were sort of independents who ran on a Gaza platform.

00:19:59.940 One of them is a white guy named Jeremy Corbyn, who used to lead the Labour Party.

00:20:03.400 But the rest are typically Pakistani Muslims who beat the Labour Party.

00:20:10.360 They had a phrase, lend Gaza your vote.

00:20:13.320 And so there were in ridings that were 30, 40% Muslim to begin with.

00:20:19.140 And, you know, some people voted Labour, some voted Conservative.

00:20:22.800 But the ethnic cohesion in those districts was big enough that they threw out their pro-Muslim white MPs and just went with the real thing.

00:20:35.520 Muslim MPs running on a Muslim agenda. 0.82

00:20:39.840 And now it looks like they might actually form a party.

00:20:42.360 My point is, that's what's going on.

00:20:46.020 There isn't actually any foreign policy thinking and foreign policy strategy.

00:20:50.120 In places like Mississauga, I predict that within an election or two, you will have candidates who say,

00:20:57.600 I don't need a white mayor like who's a Bonnie Crombie or whoever.

00:21:01.380 I don't.

00:21:01.800 I think that she may be the last white mayor of Mississauga. 1.00

00:21:04.500 Because once the useful idiots of the mainstream parties are done, there may be regions where Islamist candidates can just, the mask can drop and say, I'm here for Gaza. 1.00

00:21:15.760 I don't care about local things. 1.00

00:21:17.240 I mean, I'm living in the ruins of a once great civilization called the UK and I'm running as a colonizer, really.

00:21:24.100 And I hear that language.

00:21:25.100 I mean, I talked to an Algerian man in Marseille who said, France colonized Algeria for 130 years.

00:21:32.820 We're here now to return the favor.

00:21:34.820 He said this.

00:21:35.920 And I don't think he was, you know, making a joke.

00:21:38.520 He was deadly serious.

00:21:39.920 I think this is all about mass immigration.

00:21:42.980 I think that it's at a tipping point.

00:21:46.940 And I think that if we don't have mass re-migration quickly, I think we're going to wind up like the UK. 1.00

00:21:55.400 Last point to you.

00:21:56.200 What do you think?

00:21:57.540 Well, I'm speaking as a historian.

00:21:59.480 The most important lesson of history is that ideas matter.

00:22:02.700 And if you intentionally bring large numbers of people into your country who believe that Western civilization is evil for all sorts of reasons, including that we are infidels,

00:22:12.260 then when they get here, they are going to try to turn Canada into an Islamist nation. 0.97

00:22:16.440 It would be crazy for them to do anything else.

00:22:18.540 This is what they believe.

00:22:19.920 So we need to take their ideas seriously.

00:22:22.140 But we can't do that until we start taking our own ideas seriously again, until we start believing in the things that made the West great.

00:22:29.400 The Judeo-Christian heritage, Magna Carta, liberty under law.

00:22:33.920 Because at the moment, it's a battle in which, you know, the best lack all conviction and the worst are filled with passionate intensity.

00:22:41.100 And that includes people like Mark Carney who are signed on to this mass immigration agenda.

00:22:44.800 And I'm all for immigrants if they're coming here because they want to be Canadian. 1.00

00:22:48.620 But if they're coming here because they want Canada to be their homeland, they should stay in their homeland because it's a terrible place. 0.71

00:22:55.720 And if you like it there, stay there.

00:22:57.480 But don't make our country into it.

00:22:59.240 But it's not them.

00:23:00.160 It's us.

00:23:00.680 Why are we so eager to do this?

00:23:03.280 Why do we ramp up immigration to this enormously high levels, knowing that we're bringing in people who do not like Western civilization, who do not believe in women's rights, who do not believe in gay rights, who do not believe in free enterprise, who think dogs are haram, all this kind of stuff.

00:23:20.580 Why on earth would you bring all these people in?

00:23:23.400 And that's the question that people like Mark Carney ought to be asked if journalists had any gumption and were willing to hold their feet to the fire on ideas.

00:23:31.100 But until we do that, we are going to lose the battle of ideas to bad ideas because we don't seem to have any.

00:23:37.940 Yeah.

00:23:38.600 Well, it's dangerous days.

00:23:40.400 That's why I'm riveted by these organic protests that are popping up in the UK.

00:23:45.800 I've been following sort of the professional activists like the Tommy Robinsons for a decade, but this is now a new age.

00:23:53.060 In the United Kingdom today, there were probably half a dozen grassroots protests.

00:23:58.420 I would call them leaderless protests, some of them up to a thousand people.

00:24:03.500 Something's happening in the UK.

00:24:05.200 The response by the government, of course, is censorship.

00:24:08.460 What's happening in the UK today may happen here.

00:24:10.940 I just hope that we wake up in time to make a difference.

00:24:13.260 John Robson, great to see you again.

00:24:15.020 Tell us before we go, what's the best way to follow you, either online or new projects you're up to?

00:24:21.060 How should people track John Robson if they want more, more, more?

00:24:25.280 They should go to my website.

00:24:26.580 That's johnrobson.ca.

00:24:28.120 And they should go to the Climate Discussion Nexus, climatediscussionnexus.com.

00:24:32.840 Those are the two best ways to stay in touch with me.

00:24:35.380 There it is, Dr. John Robson.

00:24:36.940 Great to see you.

00:24:37.480 Thanks for your time and your smarts.

00:24:38.780 Always a pleasure.

00:24:39.780 All right.

00:24:40.320 Stay with us.

00:24:40.860 More ahead.

00:24:45.020 David Menzies for Rebel News here in North Toronto.

00:24:50.740 And, folks, I'm at Catch the Fire Church.

00:24:54.360 And this is the venue for a Sunday evening concert by Sean Foyt.

00:25:00.480 You may have heard of Sean Foyt.

00:25:02.280 What has happened to this Christian rock musician has been nothing short of disgraceful.

00:25:11.060 What we had in the last week are six venues cancel his appearances.

00:25:17.800 Why?

00:25:18.260 Well, because he's MAGA.

00:25:20.340 Oh, is that right?

00:25:21.260 Is that illegal to want to make America great again?

00:25:24.880 Well, apparently, in our dominion, under Mark Carney, it is.

00:25:30.100 He's also anti-LGBT, et cetera, et cetera.

00:25:34.900 What does that mean?

00:25:36.100 Well, that means he doesn't believe that a trans woman is a real woman.

00:25:41.880 He's also allegedly anti-woman.

00:25:46.080 Why?

00:25:46.920 Because he is pro-life.

00:25:48.960 Yeah, for these reasons, they have deemed this persona non grata in our country.

00:25:57.740 And we have seen such a motley crew of agitators team up.

00:26:04.020 We've got government.

00:26:05.500 We have the Rainbow Mafia. 0.97

00:26:07.860 We have the legacy media.

00:26:10.140 And we even have the Hamas holes. 0.98

00:26:12.460 And, no, I don't exaggerate, folks.

00:26:15.520 Check out what happened on Friday when Sean went to a church in Montreal to perform.

00:26:23.440 This is unbelievable.

00:26:45.520 And if God can fill me with joy, if God can fill our team, our band, with joy after Antifa

00:27:02.760 threw smoke bombs at us during worship, after we were run off the road on the highway, if

00:27:08.800 we can be carrying joy, then tonight, joy can come on you, too.

00:27:14.980 So there you have it, folks.

00:27:16.200 Can you imagine the outcry if someone went to a mosque and set off a smoke bomb?

00:27:23.540 And by the way, that smoke bomb, I understand, has done some major damage.

00:27:27.160 That church had put in a new air conditioning unit.

00:27:31.020 That, evidently, the smoke has, well, it's fried the system somehow.

00:27:36.900 But, no, if that had been at a different place of worship, if that had been at a mosque, I

00:27:42.540 would argue that right now there would already be a Royal Commission struck regarding Islamophobia

00:27:50.400 in Canada.

00:27:51.700 And yet, the mainstream media in Montreal, what were they concerned about?

00:27:56.820 Well, check out this airhead with Radio Canada.

00:28:00.040 That's the state-funded French version of CBC.

00:28:03.820 You're not going to believe this question.

00:28:05.740 But it's because you don't have the permit to have the cancer.

00:28:08.560 I don't think you need a permit to worship in a church.

00:28:12.780 Last time I checked, you don't need a permit to worship.

00:28:16.140 Because it's religious freedom, Radio Canada.

00:28:17.640 It's religious freedom.

00:28:19.100 Do you know that?

00:28:19.980 Yeah.

00:28:20.360 Religious freedom.

00:28:21.340 You don't need a permit to worship Radio Canada.

00:28:24.280 Well, you have to research your laws on that.

00:28:27.420 But, you know, worshiping in a church, I don't believe you need a permit for that.

00:28:32.040 Thanks, guys.

00:28:32.680 Thank you.

00:28:33.760 Yeah, you know, do you have a permit?

00:28:38.040 Well, since when do you need a permit to go to a church and worship or perform?

00:28:46.400 And by the way, again, when it comes to two-tier politics, two-tier law enforcement, the double standard,

00:28:54.260 for a year and a half more, actually, we have seen the Islamists take over busy intersections in major cities to do their prayers. 0.55

00:29:05.020 And what happens?

00:29:06.940 Well, they get away with it.

00:29:09.240 Yes, you have a constitutional right to pray in Canada.

00:29:12.580 No, you do not have a constitutional right to block traffic.

00:29:17.980 And speaking of the Constitution, I would imagine this has been a wake-up call for Sean, being from the U.S.,

00:29:26.220 being used to the precious First Amendment.

00:29:30.480 Well, we have seen we have nothing like the First Amendment in Canada, do we, folks?

00:29:35.660 In any event, that is why we are here.

00:29:38.760 In about a half hour, the show will go on.

00:29:42.220 And we want to see if Antifa and the Hamassholes and the Rainbow Mafia types, if they'll come up here to disrupt the performance. 1.00

00:29:53.200 I'm guessing no.

00:29:54.520 You see, where we're located, it's in northwest Toronto.

00:29:57.540 The subway doesn't go this far. 0.98

00:29:59.560 Most of those losers don't have cars. 0.99

00:30:02.260 So I don't think that's going to be an issue. 0.82

00:30:05.480 But in the meantime, we'll talk to the people that want to actually see the show and enjoy the show.

00:30:10.700 And hopefully we'll get to speak to Sean himself to take inventory of this crazy week in the Dominion of Canada.

00:30:21.260 But, folks, before I get into the nitty-gritty of the report, can you help us out?

00:30:25.060 As you can see, our beautiful Jumbotron truck is here.

00:30:29.840 It's in solidarity with Sean.

00:30:32.960 And it's sending the message that religious persecution of Christians will not be tolerated.

00:30:38.760 Please go to letusworship.ca.

00:30:42.240 That's letusworship.ca.

00:30:44.500 Sign the petition.

00:30:45.740 And if you're able to, can you help us out with the cost of our truck?

00:30:49.540 Can you kick in a buck or two?

00:30:51.320 I much appreciate that.

00:30:53.080 Just to catch you guys up, the Lord gave us a mandate.

00:30:56.500 Isaiah 61.

00:30:57.460 We did all 50 U.S. capitals.

00:31:01.320 We brought worship, communion, prayer, revival.

00:31:07.620 All across America and many places around the world.

00:31:11.200 I just thought it was significant.

00:31:13.540 Even this year, I've brought worship to the Middle East.

00:31:17.200 I've been with the Iraqi Kurdish president.

00:31:21.420 We've worshiped in palaces.

00:31:24.660 We've worshiped in Turkey with the refugees.

00:31:26.960 We've worshiped in Israel.

00:31:28.080 We've worshiped all over the world in Africa.

00:31:30.540 I've been with Heidi in Mozambique worshiping.

00:31:33.340 And the place where I got the biggest resistance and persecution was Canada.

00:31:41.380 It's wild.

00:31:42.420 Not Iraq or Turkey, but Canada.

00:31:48.720 But you know what that tells me?

00:31:50.600 The enemy only messes with nations that he's scared of.

00:31:56.380 Hi, ma'am.

00:31:57.080 I see a sign.

00:31:58.000 It says, let us worship.

00:31:59.640 You know, I always thought worship was an enshrined right under our constitution.

00:32:06.600 But Sean Foy found out the hard way that that's not necessarily the case anymore.

00:32:12.620 That's right.

00:32:13.380 He found out.

00:32:14.780 But you know what?

00:32:15.700 It would take a wonderful, strong American warrior to find that out.

00:32:19.900 Wouldn't you think?

00:32:20.940 Like all he's doing is trying to preach the word of God and bring people onto the cause.

00:32:27.600 You know what I mean?

00:32:28.120 He's just, he seems like a solid human being.

00:32:30.480 And he's just trying to better Canadians' lives by bringing the word of God to them.

00:32:35.100 It's a very spiritual warfare that's happening.

00:32:38.120 You know, you can clearly see that.

00:32:39.580 This is, you know, such a spiritual warfare that's going on.

00:32:42.560 And Sean is used to it.

00:32:43.920 Obviously, he's been going through this a lot throughout, you know, when he first started in COVID.

00:32:48.120 But I think the church should really realize that we are in a spiritual warfare.

00:32:51.940 This is real.

00:32:52.880 And we need to be bold and courageous as the Bible asks us to be.

00:32:56.300 So I'm reading your shirt, Let Us Worship.

00:32:58.580 What are you trying to say by that?

00:33:00.060 I need to give you a hug.

00:33:01.220 Oh, well, holy cow, my lucky day.

00:33:02.960 Yeah.

00:33:03.160 It's a national travesty.

00:33:06.080 I mean, this country was based on the founding fathers and their faith.

00:33:11.360 And look at where we've evolved to.

00:33:15.140 It's amazing how far we've fallen in the freedom to express our faith.

00:33:21.120 I see you're wearing a shirt that says, Jesus loves you.

00:33:24.160 I think in Canada these days, in certain circles, that might be hate speech.

00:33:28.200 And yeah, I think because of the, you know, for a lot of reasons, theologically reasons that might, people might differ theologically on different interpretations of scripture.

00:33:44.180 And so the focus is more on that divisiveness than the love that Jesus portrayed and commanded us.

00:33:54.280 He said, love God with all your heart, soul, mind, strength, with all that you are, and love others as you would love yourself.

00:34:01.640 If the government, again, wants to, you know, show that they have power over our ability to worship and ability to do anything, really.

00:34:12.380 I guess some people don't want to hear the word of God.

00:34:15.000 Right.

00:34:15.360 And the, you know, hatred towards Christianity might be part of it.

00:34:23.740 But by hearing his preach and word of God to him, maybe some of those people would change their mind towards Christians.

00:34:33.500 First of all, I didn't even know who he was at the beginning.

00:34:36.420 Yes.

00:34:36.880 And so we have to thank CBC for bringing him into the light.

00:34:41.100 Right?

00:34:41.540 Yeah, you know, it's funny, certain religions seem to be less free in Canada. 0.86

00:34:46.340 I mean, it seems downright fashionable to hate Christianity.

00:34:50.240 Yeah, so freedom of Christianity, that's why I'm really here.

00:34:53.400 What do you make of the welcome Sean Foyt received this past week?

00:34:57.120 His shows being cancelled, him being vilified.

00:34:59.720 Oh, it's disgraceful.

00:35:00.920 Yes.

00:35:01.360 Yeah, it's unbelievable.

00:35:02.760 I mean, just because they don't like the President of the United States or whatever other reasons that he talks, you know, other things.

00:35:08.560 He talks about other views.

00:35:10.100 If you don't hold that view, that's okay.

00:35:12.020 We don't hold the views maybe that you have.

00:35:14.380 But we should be free to express our own views.

00:35:17.220 You know, you don't have to agree with Mr. Foyt.

00:35:19.040 Yes.

00:35:19.860 I don't even know.

00:35:20.600 I don't know him that well.

00:35:21.760 I don't even know what his, all his political theological views are.

00:35:24.480 That's besides the point.

00:35:25.860 Freedom of expression and assembly are the foundational pillars of our country.

00:35:30.060 Our freedom is at stake here in Canada and that we're under threat of communism for what it is.

00:35:37.500 You know, we see segments of that across our nation and our freedom to worship is at stake.

00:35:47.780 Freedom of speech is at stake.

00:35:49.780 Allah is at stake for the Canadian citizens.

00:35:51.760 So this is a big deal for us as citizens and also those that want to worship freely across this nation.

00:35:59.600 Yeah, it's unfortunate that the people that were throwing smoke bombs, nothing ever happened to them.

00:36:04.900 There wasn't much police force in that way, right?

00:36:07.600 So it seems like unfair that as Christians we're being persecuted to just host a worship service where there's no violence.

00:36:14.580 There's nothing wrong going on.

00:36:15.960 We're literally worshiping God and yet everyone is attacking us, but nothing's happening on their side.

00:36:22.560 So God's going to use this.

00:36:25.020 God's going to use this and it ain't stopping here.

00:36:27.880 We're going to Winnipeg.

00:36:29.600 They let me back in to Saskatoon, Edmonton, Kelowna, Abbotsford.

00:36:37.680 And every single day we're going to see God move.

00:36:41.320 I'm the kind of person, if you don't want to go see something, just stay home.

00:36:44.380 A hundred percent.

00:36:45.900 It's all about freedom.

00:36:48.000 I'm such a huge advocate of freedom.

00:36:50.320 And I feel like we used to pride ourselves here in Canada on freedom.

00:36:54.800 And I feel like ever since, I don't know, around 2020 when there was a plandemic, I feel like that's when our rights started to be taken away.

00:37:02.840 And the way we were treated by the government starting then, I feel like so many of our rights were taken away.

00:37:09.780 And we started to really see if you're Christian and if you're unvaccinated, it's just a huge two double whammy hitter on your forehead. 0.83

00:37:17.620 So I feel like right now, it's just kind of like they want to keep that momentum going.

00:37:23.400 It seems unfair and unjust.

00:37:26.500 Like he really hasn't done anything wrong.

00:37:28.720 He hasn't called for violence or anything.

00:37:30.640 You know what I mean?

00:37:31.160 That would be the main reason why anybody would denounce this guy or try to cancel him.

00:37:36.860 But I feel like he's got nothing but a good message for everybody.

00:37:40.920 I see you have a shirt.

00:37:41.620 Let us worship.

00:37:42.320 You have the Christian cross there and the maple leaf.

00:37:45.660 What message are you trying to send tonight?

00:37:48.300 Jesus is alive.

00:37:50.620 No, Jesus is alive and Sean is his spokesperson.

00:37:53.780 And we're here to support.

00:37:55.280 Now, if you mention God or Jesus, you're ostracized.

00:38:00.760 And not only in schools, but almost everywhere you go.

00:38:03.940 Well, I don't even think that's conjecture.

00:38:05.500 I mean, a few years ago, we saw dozens and dozens of churches vandalized and even burnt to the ground.

00:38:11.240 And Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's best pal, Gerald Butts, says he understands this.

00:38:15.820 And Trudeau said, I can understand why they're burning churches.

00:38:19.140 He said that.

00:38:20.480 One of my reflections is I understand the anger that's out there against the federal government,

00:38:26.180 against institutions like the Catholic Church.

00:38:28.460 It is real and it is fully understandable, given the shameful history that we're all becoming more and more aware of

00:38:37.100 and engaging ourselves to do better as Canadians.

00:38:42.340 It's just, it's terrible.

00:38:44.260 It's terrible.

00:38:44.740 It's, hey, we all want the best thing for society.

00:38:48.360 At least that's what we hope.

00:38:49.500 Somebody who is invited into a church to do a performance, some would say, oh, you know, you need a permit for that.

00:38:56.780 And yet we've seen the Islamists in Canada at major intersections shutting down traffic, which is illegal.

00:39:04.280 And we are told by the city, we are told by the police service, oh, it's their constitutional right to pray.

00:39:11.540 Why the double standard?

00:39:14.540 I think they're just being allowed into the country to, as a show of power and an attack on Christianity, an attack on Jews. 0.99

00:39:24.900 It's part of the hatred towards Kristen.

00:39:27.520 The only thing I'm worried about is that I know that he has to leave Canada and do some touring in the States, and then he's coming back.

00:39:34.860 Okay.

00:39:35.440 And I'm worried about that part.

00:39:37.320 Well, I can't wait.

00:39:38.600 Although, I don't know why he'd want to come back to Canada after the welcome we gave him.

00:39:42.940 Yeah, but Alberta will give him a wonderful welcome. 0.68

00:39:44.520 Well, that's true, too.

00:39:45.340 I just saw about it, I heard about it, and I called up a friend, and I said, let's go and support him.

00:39:50.220 So here we are.

00:39:51.480 Yeah, yeah.

00:39:52.340 Hey, ladies. 1.00

00:39:53.200 Good to see you.

00:39:54.320 It's so much more than, they're trying to make it about Sean, you know, he's, oh, it's this or it's that.

00:39:59.620 No, this is an anti-Christian alliance that I would say is, you know, an axis of evil, to borrow the old expression, that they align. 0.93

00:40:08.960 And you see the systematic.

00:40:09.740 So they put out a hit piece, then the bureaucrats cancel the venues, right?

00:40:13.660 And then all of the alphabet soup of agencies and groups come out and just dogpile on them because they want to cancel them, right?

00:40:20.220 And that's what we see.

00:40:20.800 It's a very systematic, planned way.

00:40:22.540 It's supposed to look kind of random, you know, oh, it's just citizens rising up.

00:40:25.660 This is not what this is.

00:40:26.520 This is not citizens rising up.

00:40:27.920 This is an axis of evil trying to shut down an entire sector of the population.

00:40:31.920 Every Canadian citizen wants the equal freedom to worship whatever their faith is.

00:40:39.280 You know, if you're Muslim, Christian or Sikh or whatever, right?

00:40:44.200 We all want that freedom.

00:40:45.480 But, I mean, what we're seeing here is we see a clash of two kingdoms at stake here, darkness and light.

00:40:53.760 And, I mean, we're pushing forward for me as a Christian.

00:40:58.220 We're pushing for the light to prevail in this nation.

00:41:01.500 Well, I guess to paraphrase George Orwell from Animal Farm, all religions are equal, but some are more equal than others, it would seem. 0.91

00:41:09.100 Yep.

00:41:09.800 George Orwell, yeah.

00:41:10.840 He's a, I mean, he wrote 1984.

00:41:13.040 That's a significant, you know, reality that we're seeing here in society.

00:41:17.400 So, we want to challenge that.

00:41:19.540 Worth rereading these days.

00:41:21.060 We brought our bus.

00:41:22.140 We brought our truck.

00:41:22.880 We brought our team.

00:41:23.600 We bought plane tickets.

00:41:24.520 We brought the gas.

00:41:25.300 We went through all the tariffs and all the, ugh, all the stuff, paid all the fees, did all the stuff.

00:41:32.520 We actually did it all legitimate.

00:41:33.980 The sad thing is, is all of these municipalities and cities kept our money.

00:41:40.840 Tens of thousands of dollars they kept.

00:41:43.660 Didn't even refund it.

00:41:45.080 And so, it's just been a struggle to pay for everything.

00:41:49.520 And we changed our plans.

00:41:50.900 And I thank God for this amazing church tonight that let us come.

00:41:55.300 Thank you, my friend.

00:41:58.940 And man, that's the crux of the matter.

00:42:00.880 Why Christianity is being singled out as the faith, where it's almost fashionable in certain circles to hate.

00:42:09.180 I know.

00:42:09.760 Honestly, I feel like we come by it easily.

00:42:12.420 Jesus said it'll be hard.

00:42:13.920 He said they hated me and they'll persecute you also.

00:42:16.440 So, I feel like we are going to see persecution.

00:42:19.880 And I feel like our brothers in other countries and sisters have it way worse.

00:42:23.720 We're only experiencing a small ripple in the pond of persecution.

00:42:27.980 Okay.

00:42:28.260 But I feel like it is unfair against us because being that, you know, Muslim or different faiths can absolutely, like, shut down whole streets. 1.00

00:42:39.040 And in Toronto and wherever else, they don't need a permit.

00:42:42.400 They can shut down government buildings and tear down, you know, historic statues.

00:42:47.880 They don't need a permit to do that.

00:42:49.760 So, I feel like all we're trying to do, like, our brother Sean just trying to sing and worship our God in a church in Montreal should not need a team of police to come and take him down.

00:43:00.520 And I feel like I love the police.

00:43:02.640 I support them.

00:43:03.460 And I love our, you know, police, firefighter, and all of those type of people in our society.

00:43:10.360 But I feel like, is there not someone else you could track down, track, you know, upon, like, say, child trafficking circle?

00:43:19.280 Or how about, in terms of comparing apples with apples here, how about the guy who set off a smoke bomb in the Montreal church?

00:43:25.100 You know, I'm glad you said that because that's a huge thing that nobody's talking about right now.

00:43:29.980 How come they didn't want to check that out and protect, right?

00:43:34.280 Serve and protect.

00:43:35.240 So, instead, they wanted to serve and protect who?

00:43:38.040 Out of us, like, Christians worshipping? 0.98

00:43:40.740 Is that such a threat?

00:43:41.900 Yeah, it's kind of perverse, isn't it, that in our country, we're all about diversity as our strength.

00:43:48.680 But when it comes to a diversity of opinions, not so much.

00:43:51.880 Exactly.

00:43:52.620 It's unfortunate.

00:43:53.440 And that's the new Canada until we get a Conservative government.

00:43:57.920 Unfortunately, that's what it is right now.

00:43:59.880 You know, I thought if you didn't like something or didn't like a performer, you simply don't go.

00:44:04.300 You don't take away his platform.

00:44:06.240 That's exactly right.

00:44:07.360 And Sean's got big shoulders, and God is bigger than anything that anybody can throw at us.

00:44:11.860 So, again, he's our warrior.

00:44:13.860 We're here to support him.

00:44:14.900 I believe that it's an anti-family, anti-structural values in our society.

00:44:20.300 I believe that Christian values, fundamentally, are values that anybody can get behind.

00:44:24.600 Pro-family, pro-economic freedom, pro-free market, where we just live in peace and harmony, and we fight crime, and we fight evil in the world.

00:44:34.900 Those are fundamental Christian values that are shared by many other people.

00:44:38.220 And that is an absolute anti—it's absolutely antithetical to the people that are opposing this.

00:44:44.660 They want chaos.

00:44:46.000 They are authors and fomenters of chaos, and they want anarchy. 0.85

00:44:50.080 And the ones that claim to be the most anti-fascist are actually fascists.

00:44:54.560 Now is the time for the church to be bold, you know, and obviously, we're bold in love, right?

00:44:59.360 We're called to love our enemies.

00:45:00.760 We're called to pray for those who persecute us, and that's kind of what we're passionate about, too.

00:45:05.080 So, we need to pray for these people.

00:45:06.340 I know it's tough to do sometimes when you're being persecuted to show love and pray for them, but that's honestly what I feel like is our best response, you know?

00:45:14.000 But at the same time, not, you know, allowing things to happen, right?

00:45:18.240 Like, you know, taking a stand and speaking out, but also us praying for these people, because at the end of the day, they're human beings, too, and they need to know Jesus.

00:45:26.400 So, that's my perspective, and yeah.

00:45:28.380 Well, folks, I think this scene paints a somewhat dire picture that we have to have a police presence in order for a church service to go on unmolested.

00:45:39.480 You see, there were all kinds of rumors that Antifa and the Hamasols, they were going to come here, they were going to shut this down. 0.98

00:45:48.500 But I really never believed it, folks, because, you see, we're a little too far north of the subway line, and that's a bridge too far for those losers.

00:45:58.860 But even so, I guess the silver lining is that at least the police are here to ensure the show goes on.

00:46:09.600 We saw what happened in Montreal.

00:46:12.000 We saw Mayor Plante send in the Gestapo to the church to harass them and threaten them with fines for not having a permit.

00:46:21.640 Thank God that is not happening here tonight.

00:46:25.380 Well, folks, knock me down with a feather. 1.00

00:46:27.840 You never know who you're going to see at church on a Sunday evening.

00:46:30.420 It looks like Elmo.

00:46:31.720 Elmo, I'm reading your sign.

00:46:33.360 It says, Elmo says, a government that underperforms should not engage in overreach.

00:46:38.540 Elmo, what do you mean by that?

00:46:41.300 Oh, I guess that's that rule of mascots.

00:46:43.540 They're not allowed to talk.

00:46:45.220 Oh, there's another sign.

00:46:46.860 Elmo says, if you find me offensive, then quit finding me.

00:46:51.560 You know what?

00:46:52.300 I think that is the crux of the matter.

00:46:54.580 If anyone finds Sean Foyt offensive, then simply don't go to the show.

00:47:00.180 Why do we have to cancel the show?

00:47:04.020 Not like that for yes.

00:47:05.960 All right.

00:47:06.760 Okay.

00:47:07.520 Thank you, Elmo.

00:47:08.960 Now we know.

00:47:10.240 We know that our battle is not against flesh and blood.

00:47:15.220 It's not against the media.

00:47:17.240 It's not against politicians.

00:47:18.700 Our battle is against powers and principalities.

00:47:22.960 This is why they don't want worship.

00:47:27.420 Because it reminds the powers and principalities that this land belongs to Jesus.

00:47:35.480 You know what?

00:47:38.340 It really reminds me of when I was at the Freedom Convoy in Ottawa and I saw beautiful, peaceful folk standing there with no violence.

00:47:47.040 And the brutality that I saw and then later saw on the news of people being beat up when they're peacefully standing there in which we're supposed to be able to protest.

00:47:58.340 Yeah.

00:47:58.440 And meanwhile, gangbangers accused of attempted murder out on bail.

00:48:04.980 You said it.

00:48:05.880 Thank you.

00:48:07.000 What do you make, by the way, since you brought up the Freedom Convoy, the Crown wanting Chris Barber to do eight years and Tamara Leach to do seven?

00:48:14.720 Do not get me started.

00:48:16.760 I've been telling my husband, this is absurd.

00:48:21.040 Why are we punishing, why are we making a spectacle of them and doing this?

00:48:26.300 Like Tamara has, I'm not sure Chris Barber's like past history, but Tamara absolutely has no violence, no track record. 1.00

00:48:35.480 Why is she on house arrest for how many years now? 0.96

00:48:37.460 3.5?

00:48:39.060 What did Chris Barber do?

00:48:40.700 Like they're actually my Canadian heroes.

00:48:43.160 Love you guys if you see this.

00:48:44.660 A lot of Christians are scared to get into politics.

00:48:46.940 They're scared to share anything on their Facebook that could involve politics or be controversial.

00:48:52.280 And I think now is the time where we have to actually be okay to share things that are about politics and not be afraid because the church really needs to stand together.

00:49:00.460 And if everyone here, the amount of people here, if we stood together, I think that we could have some serious change in the government and the policies.

00:49:07.860 So it really is just about the church standing up.

00:49:10.780 We're here for one reason, standing up for what Canada was founded on, freedom of expression, freedom of religion.

00:49:16.180 That is the hill we all must die on.

00:49:18.520 And something happened in that moment.

00:49:21.120 It's like Billy Graham said that when a courageous man takes a stand, the spines of everyone else are stiffened.

00:49:30.720 I want to speak to the spine of the Canadian church.

00:49:34.600 And I want you to sing with me.

00:49:41.280 Come on, sing this out. 0.98

00:49:42.800 And I'm never going to stop, never going to stop praising.

00:49:46.940 And I have to tell you, Sean, if you believe the CBC, I was supposed to be observing a hate fest today.

00:49:54.400 And I saw singing and dancing and laughing and praying.

00:49:59.240 Here's the question.

00:50:00.580 You came into Canada and you had various forces, government, the mainstream media, some in the radicalized LGBT community, and even Islamists attacking you, vilifying you, demonizing you, canceling you.

00:50:18.900 What's going on?

00:50:20.060 Well, you know, I think that, you know, as a believer, as a follower of God, I believe that like we're in a spiritual war.

00:50:31.460 So, you know, it says in the Bible that our battle is not against flesh and blood.

00:50:35.500 I don't believe it's against people, but I believe that there are principalities and powers and dark forces controlling people.

00:50:44.940 And so I think that any time that you step in carrying the light or carrying a different kind of atmosphere, some people may call it energy.

00:50:53.820 I just call it the kingdom of God.

00:50:55.700 I think that anything representing darkness doesn't like it, you know.

00:51:00.240 And that's what we've experienced across the country.

00:51:02.700 That's the media, that's the protesters, the agitators.

00:51:06.500 I mean, you saw tonight, the world saw tonight, thousands were live streaming.

00:51:10.120 Thousands were here.

00:51:11.220 It was a beautiful presentation.

00:51:14.080 But, Sean, we had the opposite of that in Montreal on Friday.

00:51:17.440 Take us back there.

00:51:18.860 We saw vandals coming in, lighting smoke bombs.

00:51:22.040 We saw the police barging in, apparently at the behest of Mayor Plante, and not laying charges against these vandals, at least so far.

00:51:30.860 Take us back to Montreal on Friday.

00:51:34.080 What was that like for you?

00:51:35.920 Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, had I not gone through 2020 and Portland and Seattle and L.A. and Chicago, I mean, I could go on and on and on with the list of cities.

00:51:48.140 I've dealt with that same thing before.

00:51:50.880 I think what shocked me is I was like, whoa, this isn't Canada.

00:51:55.480 Yes.

00:51:55.760 I've been coming here for 20 years and doing music and worship and praying.

00:51:59.520 Everything you saw tonight, I've done this for 20 years across Canada.

00:52:02.400 And I know a lot of people don't know that.

00:52:04.420 This isn't my first time here.

00:52:05.740 Yes.

00:52:06.100 And so, but this is my first time experiencing the state of the nation right now that allows and even at times encourages an anti-Christian bias behavior.

00:52:18.640 And for you and specifically, we have you being labeled as MAGA.

00:52:24.060 Well, last time I looked, there was a guy in the White House that was very much into MAGA.

00:52:29.220 You're being labeled anti-woman.

00:52:31.700 That's some people's way of describing someone who's pro-life because you don't accept, say, a trans woman as being a real woman.

00:52:40.680 That makes you anti-LGBT, according to some.

00:52:43.660 But I would suggest that most people, millions and millions of Canadians, subscribe to your viewpoint.

00:52:52.660 Do you think this is, I guess, tyranny by the minority, those in power, those who are the media elite, you know, trying to create the narrative?

00:53:02.680 Well, the tail always wags the dog, you know, and, you know, I think you have a minority.

00:53:08.000 I mean, I think that's the sad part here is you're cowering and bowing to a very small mob.

00:53:15.600 And, you know, and if these politicians and these leaders had any spine, they would stand up for what's right.

00:53:23.120 Not only biblically.

00:53:24.360 Now, I'm a Bible person, so they can call me whatever name they want.

00:53:27.640 I don't really care.

00:53:28.760 Like, to me, I follow the Word of God.

00:53:31.100 I follow the Bible.

00:53:31.880 That's my, you know, lifeline and roadmap for life.

00:53:38.040 Now, but on the governmental side or whatever, like, you know, there's two things existing here.

00:53:44.820 One, I'm a Christian.

00:53:45.940 I follow the Bible.

00:53:46.680 But also, I'm in a country that supposedly is supposed to protect people with my beliefs.

00:53:52.460 And I think the sad reality is that that didn't happen on this trip.

00:53:56.360 And I'm praying that our experience will provoke a national dialogue where we can kind of look and see how did this happen?

00:54:06.600 Why did this happen?

00:54:07.780 Why was this allowed to happen or encouraged?

00:54:10.460 And how can we change things moving forward?

00:54:13.740 And, Sean, it was ever thus that if you didn't like a performer, if you didn't like a person.

00:54:19.000 Just don't show up.

00:54:19.640 Exactly.

00:54:20.220 And now the cancel culture mob wants to eradicate.

00:54:24.420 Into a private church.

00:54:26.460 Exactly.

00:54:27.140 That's where we're at right now.

00:54:28.360 And I think that most Canadians, like Canadians, I think sometimes you're so used to this. 0.91

00:54:34.200 And I just want to tell you, I've been to the Middle East this year.

00:54:37.360 I've been to countries in war zones.

00:54:39.280 I've never had somebody bust into a church to attack peaceful Christians worshiping.

00:54:46.800 That doesn't happen, especially in the West.

00:54:50.280 It shouldn't happen.

00:54:51.100 It's despicable.

00:54:52.680 And you have a Radio Canada reporter asking you, did you have a permit to go to the church?

00:54:59.560 And it's because you don't have the permit to have the cancer.

00:55:02.380 I don't think you need a permit to worship in a church.

00:55:05.560 Yeah, that was funny. 0.97

00:55:07.200 I mean, that moment kind of went viral and went out there as it should, because it's kind of ridiculous. 0.99

00:55:13.220 It is ridiculous. 0.95

00:55:14.000 And I think it's ridiculous, Sean, because in Montreal, for several weeks, we have had Islamists praying in front of the Basilica there, blocking a street, getting police protection. 0.97

00:55:24.700 Tell me, why does it seem that there's a double standard and a two-tier policing, two-tier politicking when it comes to Christianity versus, in this case, Islam? 0.69

00:55:39.460 Well, you know, Christians are the most persecuted people group in the world.

00:55:45.140 That's a fact.

00:55:46.540 It's not debatable.

00:55:48.300 Anybody that's watching this can research that.

00:55:50.440 That's historically true, and sadly, it's still true today.

00:55:54.880 And so I think that Christian, Christian, straight, white, you believe the Bible, like everybody else can do anything.

00:56:05.440 But if you're in that group, whoa, watch out, you know.

00:56:08.440 And that's sad because that shows real racism, you know, and real bias and real, you know, you could call it Christophobia, you know, towards people of faith.

00:56:18.640 And so my prayer is that, you know, and this is what we're praying tonight, that people would rise up with boldness against this.

00:56:25.280 That's evil.

00:56:26.340 That's evil.

00:56:27.220 That's demonic.

00:56:28.220 That should not be allowed in Canada.

00:56:29.820 It shouldn't be encouraged.

00:56:30.920 It should not be something that's accepted.

00:56:32.940 It should not be something that's promoted.

00:56:34.740 It shouldn't be something that's encouraged.

00:56:36.400 And so hopefully people's eyes are open now.

00:56:39.000 And as we continue this tour, you know, from Winnipeg all the way out to British Columbia, that it'll be a little better.

00:56:46.140 Well, you know, Christophobia should be denounced as it should be any hatred against any faith.

00:56:51.840 But it's not in some circles, Sean.

00:56:54.220 It's fashionable.

00:56:55.060 A few years ago when we had dozens and dozens of Canadian churches vandalized and burned to the ground, Justin Trudeau's best friend, Gerald Butts, came out on record.

00:57:05.300 He tweeted that, I understand this.

00:57:07.880 Understand this.

00:57:08.860 Imagine if you were to say that about any other place of worship.

00:57:11.780 Yeah.

00:57:12.980 Yeah.

00:57:13.480 I mean, I think that the politicians are all out of tricks.

00:57:17.160 People are seeing it for what it's worth.

00:57:18.620 Even on this, you know, trip, I think that, you know, that the media has only damaged their own credibility even further.

00:57:27.760 Indeed.

00:57:28.380 And, you know, Sean, I mean, I'd love to sit down with you for an hour, but I know you literally have a plane to catch.

00:57:33.680 One last question.

00:57:34.660 It's actually an observation.

00:57:35.780 I think you need to reach out to all these people who vilified you and demonized you and canceled you and thank them.

00:57:46.660 I think there are thousands of people that didn't know the name Sean Foyt just five days ago and suddenly look at your followers.

00:57:58.220 Look at the people buying your book.

00:57:59.860 Look at the people donating.

00:58:01.580 Is this the Barbra Streisand effect?

00:58:03.700 Have they done you indirectly the biggest favor imaginable in terms of creating a platform for Sean Foyt?

00:58:13.660 Well, we call that, you know, what the enemy meant for evil.

00:58:16.840 God turns for good.

00:58:18.060 You know, I think that it was their goal to have us to quit the tour after the venue was canceled.

00:58:25.720 It was their goal to have us be quiet.

00:58:27.720 It was their goal in, you know, Montreal a few days ago for us to stop the service.

00:58:32.780 But we don't quit.

00:58:34.400 And we haven't.

00:58:35.720 And I think that's my one message to believers and to Canadians out there.

00:58:39.500 Don't quit.

00:58:40.540 Don't quit.

00:58:41.160 If you don't quit, you win.

00:58:42.560 If you keep pressing on, you'll outlast them.

00:58:44.720 And I think that's what we're doing here.

00:58:46.100 And I pray that encourages a lot of people.

00:58:48.440 Sean, your concert tonight was, I can think of no other word, but beautiful.

00:58:52.300 The people were beautiful.

00:58:53.900 The love and the joy in the room.

00:58:55.760 Completely contrary to the smear job you endured.

00:59:00.180 Sean, I want to thank you for your time.

00:59:01.960 And I hope next time you come back to Canada, you don't have to endure such egregious cancel culture. 0.56

00:59:08.600 Me too.

00:59:09.580 Looking forward to that.

00:59:10.980 Well, there you have it, folks.

00:59:11.940 If you believe the CBC and other legacy media outlets, this was supposed to be a hate fest here tonight.

00:59:18.160 Well, talk about not coming billed as advertised.

00:59:21.160 What did we see?

00:59:22.380 We saw people laughing and singing and dancing and praying.

00:59:28.200 The love was in the room.

00:59:29.820 It was off the charts.

00:59:31.200 You know, and a lot of Canadians are showing, I don't really want to be controversial.

00:59:35.360 Do you want to follow Jesus?

00:59:38.760 It's 2025, man.

00:59:42.260 Following Jesus is controversial.

00:59:44.360 Buckle up, buttercup. 1.00

00:59:47.740 Get used to being hated.

00:59:49.540 Get used to being slandered.

00:59:51.200 Get used to being censored.

00:59:52.820 Get used to being canceled.

00:59:55.200 And do it for Jesus with joy.

01:00:02.860 And I find that too many Canadians and too many pastors and too many leaders, they don't want conflict.

01:00:09.220 And I'm going to tell you today, it's inevitable.

01:00:13.640 If it happened in the Bible, it's going to happen to you. 0.98

01:00:17.740 And you know what?

01:00:19.280 You can worship right through it, baby.

01:00:22.080 Smoke bombs going off.

01:00:23.820 Police everywhere.

01:00:25.140 Chaos.

01:00:25.700 And we just kept worshiping.

01:00:27.060 And as I mentioned to Sean in my interview, I think all these nefarious forces did him the best favour imaginable in terms of giving him publicity.

01:00:38.860 They have raised his platform.

01:00:40.860 It reminds me of an old proverb.

01:00:43.460 It's not a biblical proverb, but it's a proverb nevertheless.

01:00:48.400 He who laughs last, laughs loudest.

01:00:52.320 In other words, thank you, CBC and others.

01:00:55.720 Thank you, government agencies and politicians for creating a Barbra Streisand effect in the positive for Sean Foyt.

01:01:06.320 For Rebel News, I'm David Demenzoy Menzies.

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