Rebel News Podcast - EZRA LEVANT ｜ The secret Aboriginal treaty threatening millions of BC property rights

00:00:00.000 Hello, my friends. Wow, wow, wow. Today's show, I think if you're a British Columbian,

00:00:05.700 it is a must-see, must-watch show. If you're anywhere else in the country, this is an early

00:00:12.460 warning. It's a distant early warning alarm of what could be coming your way. We're going to

00:00:17.020 talk about something called the Musqueam Agreement. It is a race-based law in British

00:00:22.780 Columbia signed between the federal government and the Musqueam Band, which is a band of about

00:00:27.400 1,500 Indians who now have aboriginal title over the land lived in by millions of British

00:00:35.080 Columbians. Can they charge rent? Can they evict them? It's terrifying to read the actual text of

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00:01:33.920 Tonight, have you heard of the Musqueam Treaty in BC, where an Indian band now controls aboriginal title

00:01:55.900 over two million British Columbians' homes? We'll tell you the details. It's March 10th, and this is

00:02:01.760 Ezra Levant Show. You know, a long time ago, I knew Alan Borovoy. He was the leader of the Canadian

00:02:23.600 Civil Liberties Association, and he was a caricature of a free speech activist. He just happened to be

00:02:31.940 Jewish and gay and ultra-liberal, but he really was so dedicated to freedom of speech for anyone,

00:02:38.760 including people who were, just to pick an example, anti-Jewish or anti-gay. He lived the creed, which is

00:02:45.780 freedom of speech is something you need to give your opponents if you want it for yourself.

00:02:50.080 And he was the last leader of the left-wing Canadian Civil Liberties Association who actually

00:02:57.520 went to bat for the freedom of people he disagreed with. After he left the Canadian Civil Liberties

00:03:05.100 Association, they had a series of leaders, and then for a while they didn't. They sort of went on holiday

00:03:10.640 during the COVID time. And I think the Canadian Civil Liberties Association has done very little

00:03:17.420 for civil liberties in more than five years, probably closer to 10 years, and they're coasting

00:03:23.140 on their reputation, which is such a shame, because I wish Alan Borovoy had been leading that

00:03:28.660 organization through the crisis of the COVID times and through our current crisis of censorship.

00:03:34.120 Instead, they're coasting on their reputation, and they're acting as a placebo. What I mean by that

00:03:39.260 is that people can say, oh, if it were a problem, the Canadian Civil Liberties Association would be

00:03:44.000 ringing the alarm, and they're not, so everything's fine. It's the problem with so many legacy

00:03:48.600 institutions. They were once fine. They were once on mission and on purpose, but now they're mere

00:03:54.800 husks of them for their former self, and that is the Canadian Civil Liberties Association. And there

00:03:59.960 are a suite of so-called civil liberties groups that are in the same boat. One of the worst is something

00:04:05.420 called Canadian Journalists for Free Expression, CJFE. And they are the opposite, in fact. You know,

00:04:14.620 that's one of Richard Conquest laws. An organization is soon captured by its enemies, and it's full of

00:04:23.680 censors. And the Canadian Association of Journalists, same thing. If you look at them, they're no longer

00:04:28.860 about press freedom. They are about only one thing, which is getting maximum government grants. And so you

00:04:34.100 look around, and all the guardians, the watchdogs, the watchdogs have turned into lapdogs because

00:04:39.900 they've been bought off. And I say that very bluntly. The average journalist in this country receives

00:04:47.120 more than $29,000 a year in subsidies for his publisher from the liberal government. And that's set to

00:04:52.440 increase, by the way. So you look around, and you say, does anyone care about these things? Because I do. And for so

00:04:59.620 many people, the answer has become our guest today. His name is John Carpe. He's the Executive Director

00:05:05.600 of the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms. And for more than 10 years, he has been filling the

00:05:10.560 void, left by the retreat of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association and other left-wing groups

00:05:16.700 who simply refuse to fight the government. What a pleasure to spend the course of today's show

00:05:21.500 with my personal friend and a bit of a role model for me, a man who fights for freedom every day,

00:05:26.000 John Carpe. John, great to see you again. Hey, so glad to be with you and with your viewers and

00:05:30.560 listeners, Ezra. Well, I would say that there's a Venn diagram, if you know what I mean. There's a

00:05:36.380 real overlap between if this circle is Rebel News supporters and this circle is Justice Center

00:05:41.600 supporters, I think they pretty much overlap. Because if you're watching Rebel News, you care about

00:05:47.640 civil liberties. And one of the things that you take on that I know left-wing or progressive

00:05:54.700 civil libertarians do not is equality before the law based on race and sex. And one of the things

00:06:02.860 that has disturbed me very much in recent months, and our reporter Drea Humphrey has done some great

00:06:08.400 work on this, is how race has started to become a real factor in hard-nosed law like property rights.

00:06:19.620 Do you own the land underneath your home? Can you sell your house if it's near an Indian reserve

00:06:26.400 or it has indigenous claims against it? Can you tell me what the heck is going on in British Columbia

00:06:34.800 with the Musqueam Agreement? That's the name of an Indian band out there. What is going on and are we

00:06:42.820 lurching back to a race-based society that we all thought we left after the 1960s, maybe?

00:06:50.880 Well, racism is a growing problem in Canada in the sense that you get agreements like this

00:06:57.760 rights recognition agreement that was signed in secret on February 20th, 2026, between the federal

00:07:04.360 government and the Musqueam Indian band of Vancouver, which has approximately 1,500 members.

00:07:13.300 And so this rights recognition agreement says expressly that the Musqueam have aboriginal title

00:07:19.300 over Vancouver and Burnaby and New Westminster, Richmond, North Vancouver, West Vancouver, parts

00:07:27.280 of Coquitlam, parts of Surrey, parts of Delta. You've got more than 2 million Canadians there.

00:07:34.340 Of various ethnicities, lots of Chinese Canadians, Canadians of East Indian descent, the Dutch, German,

00:07:42.780 Jewish, various different aboriginal ethnic groups. You've got 2 million people there.

00:07:48.380 1,500 Musqueam have legal title. And the chief has said publicly, don't worry, we're not coming for

00:07:56.840 your private property. We're not going to charge you rent, which sounds wonderful. But the agreement

00:08:01.440 itself says that the Musqueam have aboriginal title, and the Supreme Court of Canada has been very clear

00:08:07.000 on this, that that means actual ownership of the land itself. It's not merely an interest in land. So this

00:08:15.560 is, yeah, you can't ignore what the agreement says and just hope that, you know, this non-binding

00:08:23.880 promise of, don't worry, we're not coming after your property rights, we'll never be charging your

00:08:28.200 rent. That's not a binding promise at all. What matters is the rights recognition agreement that

00:08:36.520 has been signed by the federal government and the Musqueam. Now, about 90 seconds ago, you used a

00:08:42.700 word, I was going to jump in, but I wanted to let you finish your sentence. You said, signed in secret.

00:08:48.060 Now, I know that business deals can be signed in secret, as long as the parties involved know what's

00:08:55.040 going on, and you can have secrets as a person. But the idea that a government would sign a secret

00:09:02.100 agreement, as in keeping it secret from the voters, keeping it secret from taxpayers, keeping it secret

00:09:09.340 from landowners, that sounds pretty fishy to me. I don't understand what that means. What do you mean

00:09:17.380 what was signed in secret? Who was involved? How did they keep the secret? How did the secret get out?

00:09:26.240 Can anything be done about this? The idea of secret laws or secret hearings is un-Canadian to me. Am I

00:09:33.180 wrong? You're not wrong. It's part of the democratic process that matters of public interest. Okay, so

00:09:41.940 my neighbor and I could have a secret agreement about who's going to be responsible for picking up the

00:09:49.860 apples that are falling off of his tree, that's got a branch on my property, whatever. It depends who it

00:09:56.280 pertains to, who it applies to. There's probably billions of different secret agreements in place

00:10:03.940 between private parties that only affect those private parties. That's fine. But when it's government,

00:10:08.040 when you're talking about recognizing Aboriginal title of the Musqueam over lands where two million

00:10:17.040 Canadians live, that is a matter of public interest. And separate and apart from whether the agreement

00:10:23.960 is even a good agreement or a bad, I think it's a terrible agreement. But good or terrible, this is

00:10:30.820 impacting millions of people. How can you negotiate in secret? And that's exactly what the federal

00:10:35.880 government has done. They've negotiated this in secret. The federal government kept it a secret.

00:10:39.760 The Musqueam kept it a secret. They signed it on February 20th. And then after it's signed,

00:10:44.360 now it's been announced. The federal government doesn't even post the actual agreement. Last time

00:10:48.680 I checked, the federal government did not have the actual agreement posted. They had these quotes about

00:10:53.340 how wonderful it was. But it was, I think it was Global News has a link where you could actually

00:10:59.880 read the agreement and you have to scroll through it. You can't even do a cut and paste.

00:11:05.200 You know, that just sounds so unconventional. It sounds like it undoes the rights of people who

00:11:14.060 were kept in the dark. I would imagine it had such a process being done in the light of day.

00:11:20.900 Other people would have come forward and said, well, we have some interests that ought to be heard at

00:11:25.400 least or taken into account. When something's done in a sneaky way, there's very, I'm trying to think

00:11:32.140 like in courts, for example, sometimes there's a publication ban. It's usually done to protect a

00:11:37.860 minor child or someone whose identity would otherwise be improperly smeared. I suppose there are some

00:11:46.880 secret treaties that have to do with military secrets, but there's a public interest in keeping

00:11:52.460 them secret from foreign bad guys. But I can't think of, I mean, you might know the phrase star

00:12:01.040 chamber. It was a secret court in medieval England that was finally abandoned and it is now the star

00:12:08.840 chamber. It's considered a nickname for any unfair procedurally biased thing. You must, if you had a

00:12:16.400 negotiation between the federal government and the Musqueam ban, which obviously would have had

00:12:19.900 first rate lawyers retained for them, there were likely a hundred or more people involved in this

00:12:27.500 between the two sides, probably many more who were involved in some way. And for all of them to say,

00:12:33.300 no, no, this is fine. We're going to do this on the lowdown. And then we're going to have a surprise

00:12:38.220 ambush telling people about it. I just can't believe a hundred people went along with it. I'm not saying,

00:12:43.480 I mean, it's impressive that a hundred people kept a secret, but you know, it's just such an impressive

00:12:47.540 feat, but that not one of the hundreds said, you know, I think what we're doing is wrong or what

00:12:54.420 we're doing is right, but we're doing it the wrong way. And I'm just, you know, my spider senses are

00:12:59.980 tingling here. Like John, tell us some of the parts of the agreement that you've read. Like I hear what

00:13:04.900 you're saying, that the actual agreement is not being officially published. Tell me some of the

00:13:09.240 things in it. You've told me the big headline, which is 2 million people in British Columbia now

00:13:15.020 have doubt over whether or not they own their land. Tell me some of the details in the agreement.

00:13:20.720 The other big problem is that it creates a race-based third order of government. And it

00:13:26.600 says that there shall be a Musqueam government that's going to govern this vast area of, again,

00:13:33.620 Vancouver, Burnaby and U.S., Richmond, Delta, the North shore, et cetera. You're going to have this

00:13:40.160 Musqueam Aboriginal government, a third level, third order of government that is going to have

00:13:47.440 jurisdiction along with the federal and provincial governments. Now, this is contrary to our

00:13:52.660 constitution because the Constitution Act 1867 used to be the British North America Act, but it says, it

00:14:01.180 gives all powers in Canada are divided between the federal government and the provinces. And it says

00:14:09.160 that Indians and lands reserved for Indians is under the jurisdiction of the federal government. So,

00:14:15.240 and you've got, yes, we have municipal government, but that's under provincial jurisdiction and it's not a

00:14:20.580 separate level of government with its own constitutional status. So, you've got this creation where the

00:14:28.080 Musqueam Indian Band is going to have a say in what goes on in Vancouver along with the federal and provincial

00:14:37.580 governments. But even if that was not contrary to our constitution, I think it's horribly foolish to

00:14:44.420 create a level of government based on race that only the Musqueam can appoint people to that level of

00:14:53.580 government or vote for them or whatever. It's a recipe for disaster, for strife, for conflict, for division.

00:15:00.520 When you bring, once you start to have rights based on race, then it's a recipe for disaster.

00:15:09.360 And what you're doing is you're creating racism in actually an area that's fairly harmonious,

00:15:16.100 you know, lower, lower mainland BC, people of all different backgrounds. And yes, there's some

00:15:21.380 tensions there. I'm not, I'm not downplaying that, but to say that there is now a racial clause for who

00:15:28.280 owns the land. And I mean, I believe that most British Columbians and most Canadians want to be,

00:15:35.220 want to ameliorate conditions of poverty and marginalization of Aboriginal people. Of course,

00:15:42.560 I think our laws have done the opposite, by the way. But you want to stir up anti-Indigenous

00:15:49.200 feeling, then you tell 2 million people, especially people who came to Canada who are immigrant,

00:15:55.960 have a very particular, they can say even more than anyone else, we didn't harm anyone. And the

00:16:03.320 people who suddenly have the rights to our property were not harmed. So people who didn't do anything

00:16:09.000 wrong are paying the price to people who had nothing wrong done to them. And you, and it's all based on

00:16:15.740 race. I can't think of a worse thing for race relations than that.

00:16:19.900 No, it's, we've, we've come, you know, we're 180 degree reversal from our opposition in the 1950s,

00:16:31.220 60s, 70s, 1980s. Canada was a leader in fighting against apartheid in South Africa. This was a regime

00:16:39.580 of racial segregation, uh, laws that, uh, assigned, uh, housing and jobs and where you lived and where

00:16:50.360 you went to school and who you went to school with and you know, which, which buses you, you were

00:16:55.660 allowed to go on, which areas you could go into. Everybody had to be officially classified as white,

00:17:02.560 black, colored, which was mixed race or Indian, which was like East Indian. And it's like, what's

00:17:10.420 your race? You're one of these four races, you're, you're black, white, colored or Indian, and that's

00:17:14.720 going to decide where you go to school and, and where are you going to work, et cetera. So this

00:17:20.200 collapsed and Canada was at the forefront of, of, uh, of denouncing this apartheid system. Yeah, we're

00:17:26.680 doing exactly the same thing because now we have race-based rights in Canada, where if you are a member

00:17:31.840 of the, if you're one of the approximately 1,500 Musqueam Indian Band members, boy, you're, you're in

00:17:38.640 line for getting a lot of money and you now get to exercise political power because there's going to

00:17:43.380 be this race-based Musqueam nation, government, whatever title is going to exercise political

00:17:51.160 control along, along with not, not single-handedly, but along with the federal and provincial governments,

00:17:58.080 you're going to have this Aboriginal government is, is also going to be, uh, running the show

00:18:04.260 in Vancouver. It's, it's absolutely, it's wrong, it's stupid, and it's not going to lead to

00:18:09.560 reconciliation. It's going to lead to the opposite. Yeah. Just incredible. You know, when you referred

00:18:14.960 to South Africa, I am reminded that the drafters of apartheid law actually studied Canada's Indian

00:18:22.940 Act. We came first. And you know, back at Sun News Days, I did a show, I should probably try and

00:18:28.840 dig it up if I can find the video, where I sort of played a game. I had a quote and I said, is this

00:18:34.460 from the Indian Act? Is this from South Africa apartheid laws? Or is this from actually Germany's

00:18:41.260 Nuremberg laws, which had other race-based laws about, uh, are you, you know, how much of your blood

00:18:47.980 is Jewish? Um, if it's a quarter, they wouldn't kill you, but you certainly wouldn't be allowed

00:18:53.660 to join the SS, et cetera. And it's all, it all comes to, and in the U.S. South, you know,

00:19:00.680 you had these bizarre racial terms, mulatto, quadroon. I mean, it's shocking you even say

00:19:08.220 these words. They had, because they had to determine how much blood of African-American

00:19:13.840 makes you white or a slave. Like, it's insane when you start going down that road. I think it's

00:19:19.580 one of the reasons why you have, every now and then, you see someone revealed as what they call

00:19:24.260 a pretendian, someone who pretended to be Indian to get a job as a professor or to get a government

00:19:30.580 grant. And it turns out, no, they weren't Indian at all, but they realized they could get rich that

00:19:36.500 way. And I think, I think that there's so many things that are cooking here. Let me ask you,

00:19:40.880 and this is more of a political question. I know Dre has been looking at this.

00:19:44.980 What does the premier, David Eby, have to say about all this?

00:19:50.460 He supposedly, I have not followed the details closely. He apparently was at the signing ceremony,

00:19:56.720 but also hadn't read the agreement. I suppose that's possible. Maybe he's lying. Maybe he's

00:20:01.200 telling the truth. Of interest though, I'm glad you asked the question because you would think that

00:20:07.340 on an agreement that pertains to the land on which roughly half or possibly more than half of the

00:20:16.500 province's population lives on this Musqueam territory, you would think just as a matter of

00:20:22.840 courtesy, as a matter of democracy, as a matter of consulting people, you would think that they

00:20:29.500 would have involved the, the British Columbia government. It just seems, you know, regardless

00:20:37.040 of whether it's, it's currently under the NDP or, you know, if it's going to be under the conservatives

00:20:41.180 in the future or whatever, right. But this is quite insane as well, that you would have the federal

00:20:47.480 government sign an agreement with the Musqueam and, and exclude BC from the picture. And I'm making an

00:20:55.100 assumption there. I mean, maybe, maybe they were invited and BC said, no, you know, we're, we're not

00:20:59.640 interested. That's highly unlikely, but it's a possibility. You know, I, I travel a fair bit.

00:21:08.080 So maybe once a week I rent a car and I go to Avis or budget or whatever. And they have this little

00:21:14.300 screen and you have to sign. And before each screen, they say, this is about, are you going to bring the

00:21:21.060 gas tank back full or empty? This is about, do you need insurance? Like, so I'm not reading every

00:21:26.980 word, but the Avis or budget, like they all do it. They say, um, by the way, if you go on a toll,

00:21:32.900 you, oh, like they, they give you a summary of everything you sign and you have to sign about five.

00:21:37.060 So just to rent a car for a hundred bucks, they take you through the contract and they make you look

00:21:43.300 at it and they speak it to you and they make you sign it. That's just over a hundred dollar car

00:21:47.300 rental. Here's a premier. And this is about half the land that half the population lives on.

00:21:54.900 I mean, and, and you're not even curious. Like you, I think he's a lawyer himself. In fact,

00:22:01.080 I think he used to be the head of the BC civil liberties association, if my memory serves.

00:22:04.820 So surely he has a curiosity and it's not like he could say, oh, I don't understand legal gobbled

00:22:09.860 legal. No, you're a lawyer. You, you do. And even if you weren't a lawyer, I mean, regular people

00:22:15.420 look at their mortgage. And if they have a question, what does this mean? They ask it like

00:22:19.340 you go to a bank, they're going to walk you through it and at least explain what the dog

00:22:23.140 here, you have a guy who signed away the province and he says he didn't read it. And I don't know

00:22:28.800 if I believe it, but I don't think it matters because he signed away the province either way.

00:22:31.960 I think this is shocking. You know, I have in front of me, John, your essay in the Epoch

00:22:36.220 Times called Musqueam Agreement, race-based laws are doomed to failure. And I didn't realize that

00:22:41.060 you actually cite a few of the clauses, which I presume you got from the global news source.

00:22:47.640 Let me just read a little bit of clause H. And I'm just quoting from your Epoch Times article

00:22:53.140 here. So this is the preamble, clause H of the preamble that says, the Musqueam protect

00:22:58.720 their territory through the exercise of laws, quote, to steward, control, and limit the use

00:23:07.080 of our land, seas, waters, and resources in our territory. Musqueam people intend to restore to

00:23:14.360 our own use sufficient traditional resources to enable us and our descendants to live as distinct

00:23:20.840 and independent people in our own land. So they really are playing into this ethnic-based rights

00:23:28.040 or not. I'm just going to read one more line and then I'd like you to comment. Clause L expressly

00:23:35.280 asserts the Musqueam's, quote, rights to land and our laws and legal orders.

00:23:44.460 This, they're not hiding it. Like, or I guess they were hiding it, sorry. The language doesn't hide it.

00:23:52.580 That's why they hid it. Because if someone, I don't care if you're white, black, brown, Sikh, Jewish,

00:23:58.640 Hindu, whatever. And by the way, there's a lot of new immigrants in BC who are suddenly saying,

00:24:03.160 hang on, so I'm the wrong race. Because this specifically talks about a certain racial group

00:24:08.340 and their descendants. So they get to limit the use of everyone's land, seas, water, and resources.

00:24:14.680 I can't tell you the rage that would be cooking up within me if I had taken my life savings and put

00:24:21.180 it in a deposit or a down payment to buy a home. And now I'm told I've got a boss who can control and

00:24:27.040 limit the use of my property. I would, there would be smoke coming out of my ears like,

00:24:32.260 like I was a smokestack.

00:24:35.340 Well, Frank, I hope that, that the Canadians of Chinese and East Indian and, and various ethnicities

00:24:46.220 will publicly say, hey, this is racism. This is garbage. You know, I believe every ethnic group

00:24:53.780 in Canada, including the various Aboriginal ethnic groups, part of being in a free country is you can,

00:24:59.960 you can celebrate your heritage. You can be proud of your culture. You can be proud of your language.

00:25:05.220 You can learn whatever languages you want. You can teach non-English languages to, to, to your

00:25:10.620 children. That's all. But to have harmony and unity and not division, you've got to say equal rights

00:25:18.700 for all, special privileges for none. We're all equal before the law. So to the, the other,

00:25:26.180 the Aboriginals say, well, we were here first. And to which I would say, well, so what? I mean,

00:25:31.180 the year is 2026. We've got different Canadians, different ethnicities. The only way to get along

00:25:37.220 is if you have laws that apply to equally to all Canadians, regardless of their ethnicity or race

00:25:44.280 or ancestry. It is the only way where we focus on our common humanity and not be fixated on the,

00:25:52.520 the examples, the Nuremberg laws, the American South, uh, apart hate, where you're, you're looking

00:25:58.080 at your skin color and saying, well, the skin color is going to play a role in what legal rights I have.

00:26:04.480 It's a recipe for disaster. So what needs to have Canadians need to contact their member of parliament

00:26:09.920 and say, reject racism. Laws should be based on, on the principle of equal rights for all special

00:26:18.940 privileges for none. You know, John, I'm not going to identify the school, but one of my kids, uh,

00:26:26.600 goes to a school where they love their land acknowledgements. Oh boy. In fact, they don't

00:26:32.540 say the Lord's prayer. They don't sing. Oh, Canada. Occasionally they do, but oh boy, do they treat

00:26:39.180 the land acknowledgement? Like it's some, it's almost like they're reading from a scripture or

00:26:44.180 something that, and, and they all stand in silence while they, John, I want to tell you, I'm, I'm the

00:26:50.980 only parent. I remain in my seat. I'm not, I'm not, if you want to give the land back, then say so and do

00:26:57.460 so. Don't give me a land. I mean, if you're acknowledging that your land is someone else's,

00:27:02.340 well, if you really mean it, give it back. If you don't mean it better hush now, because by the way,

00:27:07.160 the other side is taking you at your word, I'm guessing that there's a, there's a few British

00:27:12.640 Columbians now who thought they were so dainty, and that's, that's what they mean by virtue

00:27:16.940 signaling. You don't actually, you're not actually going to do something. You just want everyone to

00:27:21.060 know how progressive you are. Now that they're coming for your house, my guess is a few British

00:27:24.840 Columbians are a little less eager to stand up to a holy, holy land acknowledgement. What do you think?

00:27:29.420 Land acknowledgements are hypocritical virtue signaling by people who I've never met someone

00:27:37.680 or heard of someone who supports reciting land acknowledgements at public meetings, who's

00:27:42.280 actually given his or her own house or lands to an Aboriginal person and said, you know what? It's

00:27:49.180 stolen land. I'm, I'm giving my house, I'm giving my condo away to the Iroquois or, or, or the Cree or

00:27:57.000 the Musqueam or whoever it's hypocritical virtue signaling. It is so insincere. And it's also

00:28:04.160 racist because it suggests that certain ethnic groups, the Aboriginal ethnic groups, and I say

00:28:09.820 plural, you know, there's different, different groups. They are somehow more special than Jewish

00:28:15.520 Canadians and African Canadians and Dutch Canadians and Chinese and, and every other. It's like you

00:28:22.620 don't exalt one group as being extra special. So that too is it's political, it's hypocritical

00:28:29.500 and people need to, the justice centers defended people who've gotten into trouble for politely

00:28:35.900 objecting to land acknowledgements. And I would love to see us fund more cases along those lines

00:28:42.500 where Canadians politely, peacefully, non-violently object to a land acknowledgement and get in trouble.

00:28:49.420 And the justice center will, we'd love to have a lawyer go to the defense of that because

00:28:56.180 these land acknowledgements create this political climate where you get these racist agreements like

00:29:03.440 the, the Musqueam agreement. You know, this whole virtue signaling reminds me of a, of a couple of

00:29:11.480 things. I remember I went to a, an anti-global warming protest. This was in the really early days of

00:29:17.140 rebel news 10 years ago and I bumped into some radical activists who admitted they drove there

00:29:22.640 and they, which is fine. I mean, I did too, but they're, they're railing against cars, but they

00:29:29.920 didn't have a Tesla, um, because they wanted other people to do the, to do the sacrificing. They just

00:29:37.320 wanted to look good. And let me just show a super quick clip of that. That's one of my favorite videos.

00:29:43.260 I remember it was 10 years ago. Here's a quick clip. No, absolutely. I, I have a car. Do you have

00:29:47.360 a car? Yes, of course I have a car. Do you have a car yourself? Yes, I do. Do you have a car? I do

00:29:52.680 have a car. We all use cars. Don't you use a car? Yes, I do. Do you have a car? I have a car and I know

00:29:58.720 where this is going. And another thing, it reminds me of a video we did that went viral. And again,

00:30:03.420 this was, this was almost, it was in our really early days where Canada was taking in so many

00:30:10.580 Syrian migrants and we had a reporter go out in the street and said, um, do you think we should

00:30:15.780 take in migrants? And they would say, oh yes. And then standing a few feet away was a fellow whose

00:30:21.980 name was Mohammed who looked like a Syrian migrant. And, and our reporter would say, okay, he's right

00:30:27.940 here. Would you take him? Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Here's a quick clip of that. And

00:30:33.160 would you ever be willing to house a refugee? Well, uh, definitely yes, because they need a lot

00:30:40.000 of help and also new country, new everything, weather new, different from back home. And yeah,

00:30:48.500 yeah. Why not? Why not? Everybody needs help. And if you are able to help, for sure. So we actually,

00:30:56.140 we have Mo here with us today. Mo is new to Canada and he is looking. Dilletta, nice to

00:31:01.360 meet you. So he actually is looking for a new home. He is new to Canada. Would you guys be willing

00:31:08.580 to house Mo? Unfortunately, we have only one bedroom because we are living in a condo. So we

00:31:14.420 have only one bedroom. There is no more space for one person, but there is a lot of opportunity

00:31:21.600 here around. For sure. He will find something. So I don't know why it just feels like the same

00:31:27.000 thing, except for this. Everyone has been going along with this BS for so long that now

00:31:32.780 it is a signed and sealed agreement. Let me ask you one last question. How do you get out

00:31:38.480 of it? Like if it's a signed agreement between the Musqueam and the federal government and, and

00:31:45.080 I guess you're saying that EB was there, but did he sign it too, or, or it's only between the feds

00:31:50.740 and Musqueam? Is it possible to undo it? I, I was hearing someone explain how difficult this is to

00:31:56.320 undo now. Yes and no, it, it, it takes the political will of a, the current government, if,

00:32:04.820 if it so chose, uh, you know, people, people renege on agreements. This, this agreement was signed

00:32:10.640 in secret. It's got terrible provisions. It's racist. It undermines the private property rights

00:32:17.600 of more than 2 million people in British Columbia. It's a very, very bad thing. So the, the, the right

00:32:24.260 thing, the honorable thing to do is to say this, this is an agreement that should never have been

00:32:28.380 signed in the first place and we are repudiating it. And it shouldn't actually be that difficult for

00:32:34.440 the current government insofar as what, what they're saying is, oh, it means nothing. It, it just means

00:32:40.640 that we want to have some conversations and now they're getting into kumbaya platitudes and saying

00:32:45.280 that the agreement, it doesn't really mean what it says. We're not going to have a third order of

00:32:50.020 race-based government that's going to co-govern greater Vancouver alongside federal and provincial

00:32:55.780 governments. And it doesn't mean that the Musqueam actually have Aboriginal title, even though the

00:33:01.740 agreement says that the Musqueam have Aboriginal title. So the government's now kind of, you know,

00:33:06.560 saying, well, relax, it's just, it's just a kumbaya, uh, you know, it's just a declaration of,

00:33:13.320 of love and understanding. And, you know, it doesn't really mean what it says to which I would say,

00:33:18.140 okay, if it doesn't really mean what it says, then maybe you should just tear it up and we should go

00:33:22.640 back to the drawing board. Yeah. If it didn't mean what it says, why did you sign it in secret?

00:33:26.680 Hey, John, if you have more cases in this vein, someone punished for not doing a land acknowledgement,

00:33:33.140 um, let us know about, we'd love to shine a light of scrutiny on it. And, and we love to follow your

00:33:37.500 cases where we are affectionate towards the democracy fund, which was a, uh, civil liberties

00:33:43.340 project we started during COVID, but you've been doing this for more than a decade. You are the OG

00:33:48.740 civil liberties activist in Canada. And, uh, as an OG, as the kids say, uh, not, not gee whiz,

00:33:56.620 but original gangsta, as the kids would say. So we admire what you're doing. And, uh, in fact,

00:34:01.980 just before we go, uh, give me a quick, uh, heads up. Are there any interesting cases that you guys

00:34:07.160 have onboarded in the last few weeks that we don't know about?

00:34:10.120 We have, we are suing municipalities, uh, across Canada that are, have imposed recording bans.

00:34:18.720 This is, again, it's very anti-democratic. It's contrary to the charter, the, uh, Canadian

00:34:24.300 charter of rights and freedoms, the freedom of expression guarantee includes the right to video

00:34:29.620 record or audio record a public meeting. And that's part of democratic accountability, democratic

00:34:36.080 transparency. And so we've had, uh, three or four different municipalities back down, uh, North

00:34:43.220 Huron, uh, Ontario, uh, we're suing, uh, Springfield, Manitoba over its recording ban. So this is one of

00:34:51.740 the battles that, that we are currently fighting is that we are sending a legal warning letter, which

00:34:58.400 usually will solve the problem, but, but when necessary, we're also, we're suing municipalities over

00:35:04.140 these ridiculous anti-democratic recording bans where they will arrest you and, and forcibly escort

00:35:12.200 you out of the, uh, city council chambers. They'll remove you from a public meeting if you try to

00:35:19.040 record these public proceedings. So that's one of the, uh, new battles that, that we're, uh, fighting.

00:35:26.260 You know, I think our reporter, David Menzies was covering one of those in Ontario. In fact,

00:35:30.500 I think we sent a truck, our beautiful billboard truck up there, but I know exactly what you mean.

00:35:35.600 And that's important because sometimes a little win, even if it's tiny, even if it's one millimeter,

00:35:42.480 at least it's a win. You're pushing the bad guys back, even a millimeter. And it, it's proof that you

00:35:48.220 can, and it's a reminder to them that they're not above the law. Sometimes rebel news takes on tiny

00:35:53.880 cases. Like when we were blocked on Twitter and part of me said, well, is it even worth by, by the

00:35:59.900 government, by, you know, government departments blocking us on Twitter? I'm not talking about

00:36:04.080 personal pages of a politician, but I thought, is it even worth going to court? Well, yes, because

00:36:11.020 even to put them back one inch or one millimeter reminds them that they are not the bosses. They're

00:36:17.620 the public servants, not the public masters. And so I'm glad you're doing that in the court of law.

00:36:22.460 We do that sometimes in law also, and we do that journalistically. So keep us posted with that.

00:36:26.980 Well, John, we've, we've spent so much time on the Musqueam thing. We're going to have to have

00:36:30.400 you back because I want to talk, it's very important to me. In fact, that we give proper time to the new

00:36:36.740 censorship bills that Mark Carney has brought in. We really went deep into bill C63 and some of the

00:36:42.300 other crazy censorship bills brought in by Trudeau. But luckily by happenstance, they evaporated.

00:36:48.000 They died on the order papers, they would say, when parliament was dissolved for the

00:36:52.440 last election. Mark Carney has brought in at least three bills, C2, 8 and 9, that have a censorship

00:36:58.320 aspect. And I haven't properly briefed myself on them. I know a little bit about them, but maybe you

00:37:04.800 and I can, can huddle again on TV and really go through those bills. Cause I know our viewers would

00:37:11.680 be interested. I don't want to do it now for five minutes. I want to do it like later for half an hour.

00:37:15.820 So John, thanks for talking to us today about Musqueam and let's have you back to talk about

00:37:19.420 those censorship bills.

00:37:21.700 Looking forward to it, Ezra. Have a great rest of the day.

00:37:23.700 All right, you too. Well, there he is, John Carpe, one of Canada's leading freedom fighters. He's been

00:37:27.820 doing it for more than a decade. We really admire what he does and we try and support him as we can.

00:37:32.700 That's our show for the day. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World

00:37:36.700 headquarters to you at home. Good night and keep fighting for freedom.

Rebel News Podcast - March 10, 2026

EZRA LEVANT ｜ The secret Aboriginal treaty threatening millions of BC property rights

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